Rifle Cartridge Review: 7mm Mauser
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- I do a review on the classic 7 x 57 Mauser. I compare it to the 7mm-08 and the 7mm Rem Mag. I ask the question, is it still relevant?
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I've been a 7X57 fan since 1977. Today, I have a custom mauser and Ruger No.1 in 7mm. My favorite load for deer and antelope is the Speer 130 gr with 52gr 4350. For larger game I like 140gr Nosler with 50 gr 4350. None other than Jack O'connor, Jim Carmichael, and Craig Boddington used and spoke highly of the cartridge. I was raised to hunt, in other words to get close (300yds max.). Do that and the great 7X57 will never fail you.
Great comment, thanks
With the new rifle I had built I am reaching a average velocity of 2758 fps with a 154 grain bullet. I use the heavier bullet for elk even though the two largest elk I've ever harvested were with a 139 grain and a 140 grain bullet.
Norma 139 grain are excellent, though a little pricey!😊
I've used the Norma 150 gr. factory load with good results.@@akatripclaymore.9679
Completely agree. I used ( and still have some ) Speer 145 spbt bullets and I4350 with great success in my 73’ Ruger 77 7x57 and a 92’ Rem 700 mountain rifle in 7x57. The Ruger got turned in to custom varmint rifle in .244 Remington
🤔 I think the most important lesson that we should take away from the 7x57's rise to Fame is: While the cartridge doesn't have high velocities and though shot placement is important, the real reason for it becoming famous had to do with the importance of Bell choosing the right bullet for African game! 🐘🦏🦁 Proper Bullet Selection Goes Along Way in Hunting Success! 🎓 Bell demonstrated that you don't need to be using a "Magnum Cartridge" to kill the World's Biggest Game! 😏 Now That is Something to REALLY THINK ABOUT, especially for the younger generation that is getting constantly "proselytized" and being "brainwashed" into thinking that they "Need a Magnum" to be a successful hunter! ☹ Nothing could be further from the Truth! 🙄
Is the 7x57 still relevant? Well I no longer own a 7mm mag. and since I own two custom 7x57 rifles I don't believe I'll ever want a 7mm08 so in my world it is very relevant. It is one cartridge I would never get rid of.
Awesome, thanks!
My response to an online You Tube video on Winchester's Model 70 bolt action sporting rifle, modern manufacture without sights and intended for mounting a scope. ---Jim Farmer
The 7mm Mauser (7x57) was developed originally in 1892 as a military caliber, primarily for Spain, Mexico, Central America, and half of South American governments. Their Armies (soldiers) utilized it extensively. In addition to being chambered in Mauser bolt action rifles, the 7mm Mauser was even chambered in machine guns. In fact, in 1913 during the Mexican Revolution (1910-1920) a version of the Japanese Arisaka bolt action rifle was produced for the Government of Mexico. This caliber also saw extensive use during the Spanish Civil War (1936-1939) by both Fascist and Republican factions. No doubt the 7mm Mauser even saw some, but limited use, during both World War 1 (1914-1918) and World War II (1939-1945). Not to mention the Spanish American War (1898), and South Africa's Boer War (1899-1902). So much for the military history on the 7mm Mauser.
Sporting use: The 7mm Mauser (7x57),along with the .30-06 Springfield and .375 Holland and Holland Magnum historically, is a world caliber. Africa, India, Europe, North America, and elsewhere it's seen over a century of use hunting big game of the world. Even today (2023) the 7mm Mauser would be an ideal classic dual purpose "deer/elk" caliber for the average North American hunter who wishes to fill the family freezer with fresh venison and elk meat. A quality bolt action sporting rifle such as this gorgeous Winchester Model 70 chambered in 7mm Mauser (7x57), topped with a good 4x scope, and carry sling would give an entire lifetime of service to it's owner. This is one caliber that deserves to be far more popular than it is. It's also highly useful to both sexes, including youth and women who desire a rifle with lethal killing power on big game, yet has noticeably less recoil than a .30-06 and .270.
James A. "Jim" Farmer
Merrill, Oregon (Klamath County)
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Continuing on. The 7mm Mauser (7x57) would not only be an ideal "deer/elk" hunting caliber, but likewise for caribou and moose in Canada and Alaska. Remember proper bullet
placement is the key. There remains no substitute for proper shot placement and accuracy. The average North American hunter remains over-gunned and over-scoped anyway.
Sometimes less is more. Even a .300 Savage will kill the vast majority of North American big game. With modern bullets, smokeless powders, primers, etc. all rifle calibers
can be vastly improved over what they formerly were decades and generations back. This would likewise include the .30-40 Krag (1892), 7.62mm Russian or 7x54R (1891)
as chambered in the Model 1891 and1891/30 bolt action Mosin-Nagant rifle, and .303 British (designed in 1887-1888 and first loaded with Cordite in 1892). Putting fresh meat, including venison in the freezer, remains the goal, even into the 21st century. The Apostle Paul in the New Testament (Holy Bible) writes:
"For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving." --- 1 Timothy 4:1
James A. "Jim" Farmer
Klamath County, Oregon
Thank you for this!
Some dozen or so years ago, Winchester produced a limited run of the 7x57 Model 70 Featherweights. These were made in the SC/FN facility for that year’s Shot Show. Having read a number of articles by Craig Boddington about the 7x57, I bought one of these rifles for my daughter. After she killed a deer with it, the rifle became hers and a “keeper!”
The 7x57 is really a great round for hunting at ethical distances. Factory 7x57 ammo, while loaded by attorneys, is plentiful. And there’s always hand loading to get the best from the round. From antelope to elephants, the 7x57 over performs the numbers on paper, simply metal versatility!
Great post, thanks for sharing!
Great comment, thanks for watching!
I have a 7x57 that my grandfather built off a Belgian-made Serb contract Mauser that he bought out of the bargain barrel at the Tulsa gun show in the 60's. Has a fiddleback walnut stock that he and a buddy cut the tree for, milled at said buddy's lumber mill, and then he handmade the stock from one of the blanks. Has a hand-jeweled bolt, an "internally adjusted"" timney trigger that a stiff fart will set off, Williams aperture sights, the works. The quality, craftsmanship and fit and finish is of a level that you'd only find in rifles made by companies like H&H, Westley Richards, etc.. I love climbing a tree stand with it during deer season. Shame brass is so hard to find from companies of higher quality than S&B or PPU. Hopefully someday we'll see a resurgence from brands like Nosler and Norma.
That is really cool!
The 7x57 is definitely a hand loader special. In a medium length action such as my custom sporterized 1914 Kar. 98 you can seat the bullet far enough out take full advantage of the 7x57's case capacity. In that mode it will do anything the 7mm-08 will do and more.
The original pressure of the 7x57 in the Mauser model 93 action was 50,370 CUP. Although some say there is no really accurate formula to convert Copper Units of Pressure (CUP) to Pounds Per Square Inch (PSI), one of the formulas said to be the most accurate converts the 50,370 CUP to 58,458 PSI. New hand loaders should be aware that these numbers are not interchangeable. Confusing them can lead to disaster. The old CUP method of measurement can not detect the pressure spikes that the modern piezo transducer PSI measuring methods can detect. Steel in old guns does not degrade with age but any gun with heavy rust or corrosion should be be avoided. With all that said you should probably stick with the 98 actions or newer if you're going to push the 7x57 and always watch for pressure signs.
Most 7x57 shooters in the US are probably most familiar with the 139 or 140 grain loadings at 2700-2800 fps but not much attention is paid to the heavier bullets. The gentleman I got my Husqvarna 9.3x62 Mauser from, grew up hunting in Africa and now arranges African safaris. He pointed out what the 7x57 can do with quality, well constructed 175 grain bullets. Anything up to the size up to the size of Kudu or Eland up to 300 yards. The 7x57 is best with a 24" barrel.
The Nosler 175 grain Acccubond Long Range bullet has ballistic coefficient of 0.648 and sectional density of 0.310. At a muzzle velocity of 2574 fps it show 2575 ft lbs of kinetic energy. When sighted just slightly more than 3.5" high at 100 yards or dead on at 250 that load reached its apex at 3.95" above the line of sight at 150 yards before falling to 4.5" low at 300 yard while still traveling at 2184 fps with 1854 ft lbs remaining energy. Even at 350 yards when it down a little over 10" is still clocking 2122 fps with 1750 ft lbs remaining energy. The good old Nosler Partition in the same weight with BC 0.519 does not shoot quite as flat but holds its own. At 300 yards its down to just a little under 2100 fps and slightly over 1700 ft pounds remaining energy and still only about 4.75 below line of sight. Even at 350 yards when it's down 11.5" it's still over 2000 fps with 1580 ft lbs remaining energy.
The above numbers are maximum loads from the current Nosler manual and are for strong actions such as the 98 Mauser and should be approached with caution they show the real potential of the 7x57 Mauser cartridge. Your mileage may vary. The maximum powder charge show is 20 grains less than shown for the maximum velocity with the same weight bullet in the 7 Rem Mag. In an equal weight rifle that means considerably less recoil and muzzle blast. With bullets in the 140-160 grain weights the hand loaded 7x57 gets pretty close to 270 Winchester factory loads. A good rifle for Whitetails to Elk at any ethical shooting distance. Happy hunting boys and girls!😊
Great information here, I appreciate it
I share your centiments. 98 mauser action fitted for 7x57 offers great performance in the field with a tolerable recoil for my aging body. It is an excellent tool that is dependable to get the job done.
I like to tinker around with this cartridge and got some truly amazing results with Berger 184s at around 2650 fps pushed by Reloader 17. It will stabilize a 190 Hornady A tip as well. This was in a Chilean large ring with the original 29" barrel. It really sets up well for the heavies. Very efficient, Paul Mauser got it right. It is questionable as to whether any cartridge is as versatile in this caliber. 284 WIN sets up better, but only in intermediate or long actions. Most everything else is set up for 140-160 gr. bullets. Twist rates and throats in commercial rifles are dumbed down to reduce long range efficacy as well. 7mm-08 does not have heavy bullet capability. If you want high velocity with 130-40gr bullets with second rate ballistics buy a 270. That is what it was designed to do. The mauser is almost uniquely capable of effic iently handling long heavy bullets with moderate recoil. The BC on the 190 Atip is .838, by the way.
@@darringleiser5644 Actually I’ve never had any problems with 270W but I don’t shoot anything but 150 grain and certainly no long distance stuff. Not over 300 yards for my old eyes and definitely not as stable as in my youth. Plain old Hornady spire point running about 2850 (56 grains H4831) out of 22” Ruger 77 grains usually results in bang flop at those ranges. Recoil of the 270 is sharper than than my Mauser but the 24” Mauser is a little heavier. It’s too bad Nosler is price gauging. I can’t find any Partitions, AB or ABLR in .277 or .284. I have one box 150 grain .277 Partitions and one box each 160 and 175 Speer Grand Slam .284 to try. Also some of the old Speer 160 grain Mag Tips. Plenty of the lighter bullets in both diameters. No experience at all with the newer copper or other monolithic bullets.
Low recoil leads to accurate shooting Also makes a good stalking rifle with a 160 bullet have shot every thing form Springbuck to Kudu
Awesome, thanks for sharing your experience!
Remington rolling block 7x57 is the biggest reason for low pressure loadings
Gotcha, thanks
Two and a half decades ago I took a Stone sheep and a mountain caribou in the Yukon with a 7X57 using 160gr Partitions. I ended up rebarreling that rifle to 257 Roberts. My current 7X57 is a recent M70 Lightweight Supergrade. It is my second-favorite cartridge all-time, right behind my beloved 25-06. Thanks for the vid!
Thank you for the comment!
Thanks for your post. I've had a 7x57 Mauser rifle for a good while. It is a great shooter. Looking back on history, Teddy Roosevelt's troops were plummeted at San Juan Hill, in Cuba during the Spanish American war. The Cubans were firing the 7mm Mauser.
That’s right
My first encounter with a bolt action center fire rifle as a child belonged to a neighbor. It was a Spanish Mauser 7x57.. I remember the teenage son of the neighbor taking the old Mauser out in his back yard and shooting through about a 6in pine tree . I remember the neighbor saying to his son that it was too much gun for him . That was amazing to me to see a bullet pass though a tree. I was at that time shooting 22s and shot guns. Never owned a 7x57. Read may of the books of hunters that used the 7x57. It does have one hell of a reputation in the field of hunting that is hard to surpass. That is what made me start deer hunting with the 7mm Rem mag in my older years. Thinking it was just more of the same as the 7x57. An old Rigby Mauser in 7x57 would be a fantastic rifle to own
Well said Jay! Great comment as usual
I had a Ruger M77/270 re barreled with a Shilen barrel and express sights. I stole the Rigby name and had the caliber stamped on the barrel .275 Rigby. A .275 Rigby Highland Stalker is my dream rifle but far out of my price range.
I have an old M1893 "Spanish" Mauser in this chambering, and I really liked it, overall, as a platform. The previous owners weren't the most kind to it, and it loved to give me keyholes, but I loved he cartridge and there were a lot of things to learn from whole experience of it. I liked the cartridge enough that I now have a Shaw Semi-Custom Savage 110 in the chambering.
It's a great deer cartridge.
Awesome, thanks!
I have a Savage 110 WLE in 7x57 Mauser. I also have a Chilean Mauser and a custom rifle made on a 1916 Spanish Mauser both in 7x57.
Years ago my father was in gunsmithing school and wanted to build a rifle for hunting pronghorn. He used a 93 Spanish Mauser action with a barrel built at the Trinidad school. I still use the rifle today and it fires ammo somewhat hotter than all my books show with no signs of overpressure.
Just got one at a gun show , 1909 mauser action , 26” barrel , marked .275 Rigby
Sweet!
Years ago I planned a trip to Africa for plains game so I built for myself a 7x57 for the historic feel. It is based on a military Mauser action with custom bolt ,Winchester safety and custom double set triggers. beautiful Walnut stock with cheek piece copied from an Abercrombie and Fitch stock. Barrel sling swivel of course. No sights and a 3x9 scope. It awes people still when I display it and it shot very well and did the job on medium size game.
That’s really cool
Mauser’s first smokeless cartridge was the 7.65x53. Development started in 1889 and was completed in the 1891 Mauser. It was used by Belgium, Turkey, and Argentina. The 7.92x57 was developed by the German military.
You’re correct, I don’t have that one
Thanks for your post. From three generations I am having 7×57 WJ Jeffery in my family and one of my favorite.
You are welcome! Thank you for watching
any modern 7x57 rifle can shoot to higher pressures. it does not have to be a custom rifle as stated in the video.
Great video! Thanks for speaking on the 7x57. Hopefully people will take interest again and appreciate a great cartridge! 7x57=grand daddy of alot of our modern cartridges!
Thanks for watching!
Love the 57mm rounds, I own a plethora of them, both standard and improved. The 8x57 is already improved. My next custom Mauser will be a 6.5x57 improved, also known as the 260 aar. The 7x57 has been my favorite mule deer rifle for years. 145 grain Speer @ 2800 fs
Very important to watch you're loading pressures
Absolutely, good call out
Used to be able to order them out of the back of Boys Life magazine for five to ten bucks. Had two in the seventies. Also have a 7mm rem mag. The 7mm uses a lot less powder to reload, and a lot less recoil. Unless I am making a shot over 300 yds. I'll take the 7mm.
Good way of looking at it
I have a 1st edition Speer dated 1979 and it looks like most bullet manufacturers did pretty much lawyered up except
Nosler. It would be a
great round in a modern rifle
Absolutely
I have a Speer Handloaders Manual #1 dated at 1954. It lists 130 grain load information, 145 grain and 160 grain information. It cautions that case capacity varies and cases differ considerably. It states Remington cases are a good deal heavier than those made by Western and Winchester and give much higher pressures with the same loads.
I have a 7x57 R in a drilling. Same cartridge, but rimmed. The drilling has two 12 gauge shotgun barrels. I have an adjustable mortise barrel in 7x57R that I can put in the left shotgun barrel. It is a great gun for stalking. A short gun with 24 inch barrels.
Nice! Thanks for sharing about that.
7x57 is my favorite cartridge. I killed my first deer in the west Texas Permian basin using a borrowed Mexican Mauser. 16 years later, I found a sporterized Mexican small ring short action model 98 mauser made by FN for Mexico. I paid to much for it but I didn't care. I customized that rifle for me and put better optics on it and started hand loading at above saami pressures. It has accounted for deer pigs, turkeys from 400 yards, and in. Quick kills no lost animals. That rifle is now retired as I purchased a ruger M77 with a tang safety in 7x57. I got a nice 10 point last season with it. 1 shot small recoil. 4350 powder and 140gr bullets seated 1 to 2 thousandths out past 3 inches gives good accuracy and runs around 2800 fps. The cartridge is a genius design. To bad America is addicted to excessive recoiling .30 calibers.
It’s definitely a legendary cartridge. Thanks for the comment!
Thank you. Now this is the kind of testimony I like to read. It portray very positive on the 7x57 cartridge and Mauser rifle, and it portray well on your objectivity.
Thank you
I feel the 7x57mm when loaded into a modern rifle with modern components at modern pressures it definitely competes with it's modern counterparts. If you live on the east coast you hunt mainly deer, feral hogs and black bear. A cartridge like the 7x57mm is where it's at. In reality it is all you really need. It does have the potential to keep up with the 6.5 Creedmoor when loaded with modern high bc bullets. It's definitely a superior hunting cartridge. It is the 7mm-08 ballistic twin. However you can squeeze better performance out of it with heavier for caliber higher bc bullets. That longer neck gives it more case capacity for bigger bullets. I feel the biggest reason it fell out of favor in the main stream is because it doesn't fit in a short action and factory ammunition is loaded to lawyer specifications. It's a handloaders cartridge. For a lot of people who don't hand load, it's a disadvantage. It's rarely chambered in factory rifles. If it is, they are considered special editions. The only manufacturers that still manufacture 7x57mm rifles are custom gun makers such as Rigby, Griffin and Howe, Mauser in their 98 model, and Park West arms. These new production 7x57mm rifles run you north of $10k! If you catch a Ruger, Remington or Winchester that's used you'll be paying anywhere from $900 to $4000 used. Good luck trying to find a Zastava Mauser. If you find one they retail for over $1000. If you like the 7x57mm your best option is to rebarrel an existing modern rifle. A good gunsmith who installs a premium barrel on your rifle is going to run you north of 2 grand. The 7x57mm is not worth the cost to most people even though said cartridge has legendary performance on game and many gun writers sing it's praises. It's more economical to get a 7mm-08 . I also feel the 7x57mm should be more popular than what it is. It just fell out of favor. People running 93 Mausers are the reason for lawyer specifications which did the cartridge a disservice. I have an old Sears JC Higgins rifle built with a Husqvarna 1640 commercial action in .270 win. The barrel is shot out. It doesn't produce desirable accuracy. So, I am having it rebarreled to 7x57mm. It's an expensive project. It should be ready by the 2024 deer season.
Great comment, thanks!
Excellent content 😎
Thank you! I appreciate it!
I have a PRE WWII Mauser 98 action COMMERCIAL with a KRUPP BARREL, SPOON BOLT HANDLE AND TWIN SET TRIGGERS (MATCHING NUMBERS) in 7mm Mauser. Unfortunately it doesn't have the original stock but does have a NICE BOYD STOCK. It's in pretty good condition considering how old it could be all the way back to the early 1900's. It would be QUITE EXPENSIVE to make NOW with the Krupp barrel (hexagon shape at the receiver with a full length raised rib and express iron sights). What do you think? 🤔😁👍
I think that’s awesome! I think you have a gem for sure.
I have a very similar gun in 8mm
I have a Mauser 98 , 7 x 57 , sporterized , new barrel and wooden stock best deer rifle I have great Cartridge. bought it used back in late 1970's glad I did never disappointed.
That’s cool
Awesome testimony. Thanks
For clarity, the original cartridge - 8x57mm - was designed by the same panel (commission) who designed the German 1888 Commission rifle. This round is now known as the 8mm Mauser. In 1898 Paul Mauser designed the Model 98 rifle using the same cartridge (likely for simplicity) and I suspect this began the title of "8mm Mauser". I could be wrong.
Of note, all the Mauser titled rounds are essentially the same case, save for the diameter of the bullet and forming the case to fit.
Reloaders probably already know this, but that .473 inch diameter (real close to 12mm in metric) is the same size for all the Mauser cases (not sure about any 'African calibers'), the U. S. .45 ACP, the .30-06 and all the derivatives therefrom. Same shell holder.
I must agree, that round was a watershed. The 7x57mm Mauser is just about perfect.
7mm-08; probably the best of the 'modern' versions. Essentially duplicates the performance of the 7x57mm while allowing a shorter - more or less - action. Also, the round is no longer limited by the lesser chamber pressure of the 1892 action.
.280 Remington is a 7mm-06. Not a bad round, but a bit more velocity and likely a 'standard' length action. None of that needed for us mortals who typically shoot game under 250 yards.
Same applies to all the higher powered rounds. More velocity, range, noise and expense. Probably to no practical use. Unless one's preference is to shoot game at 600 yards and over.
As noted in the video, the round was originally chambered in the 1892 (version) Mauser rifle. SAAMI rules that action - and one finds many about - is not suitable for the higher pressure rounds, so 7x57mm factory loads are 'weaker' in that regard. However, W. D. M. (Karamojo) Bell killed about 800 elephants with that original 'weak' load.
Old man's note: Lack of competence cannot be made up by greater horsepower.
After all that jabber (of mine) I have to agree with the speaker in the video. It IS a useful cartridge right now.
Thanks for the comment!
The sheer volume of Mauser 98 rifle variants produced is staggering. I recently watched an unboxing of a crate of M98 rifles from either Brazil or Argentina. The crate had never been opened. All the guns were still in working condition after degreasing. I believe the production date of the rifles was 1937. This video is on RUclips.
Yeah it’s ridiculous how many service rifle were manufactured as a Mauser rifle.
Brazilian and Argentinian mauser both were contrqct rifles made by Germany for the respective countries!
Love my 7x57 mauser very accurat out of my brno butter knife bolt handel. head shots at 300 yards on any animal
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I have not shot a lot of different calibers. But enough to know that 7mm -08 is simply the new perfect cartridge l. 7mm mauser is the original perfect cartridge. They say everything goes full circle. And it has. 130 years ago they figured out that the perfect middle of the road that can do it all was 7mm mauser. Then people went magnum power, overbore, different things all the way around it. But now in 2024, the wheels have stopped spinning and the one thing that’s relevant to everyone is a 7mm bullet at a little less than 3000 fps. Because you get it all. What i mean by all, is efficiency. Lower recoil, less material such as the powder, brass and bullet material. So for a good price and a good recoil and enough power to take whatever you can hit. It’s really hard to beat 7mm-08. And i would imagine barrel life is also pretty long as well. Pretty bard to beat that track record.
Bought a new rifle 9/73’ it was a Ruger 77 7x57. Did a lot of bench work with different powders and bullets in 74’. For me the optimum load back in the day and my go to load is I4350 with Speer 145 spbt bullets. Can’t remember the velocity. My friend had an Ohler chronograph that took forever to set up. Think I was shooting around 2800-2900 fps out of the 22” barrel. Can’t remember the guys name maybe Ken Waters, had an article on his loads for the 7x57 which were on the hot side. I still have some Norma 205 from those days. I liked the mild kick of the 7x57 and much more tame than a 30-06. With 175 grain bullets it would thump me and velocity suffered. I was swapping barrels from the 7x57 to a Shilen 24” heavy 6mm barrel with 1-12” twist (.244 Rem) for over ten years then early 90’s Remington came out with the Remington 700 mountain Rifle in 7x57 and I picked one up. The 244 barrel has been on the Ruger action ever since. That rifle in the late 70’s was morphing into a Varmint rifle with Lee Six Beavertail stock, CanJar set trigger and 4-12 Redfield scope. The rifle when I bought was bare and I put a Leupold M8 4x on it. Could hold an inch group with it at 100 before mods just glass Bedding. In the glass stock with set trigger and 4x12 scope shot 1.75” at 300 yards in a stiff wind. Same loads. I still have the original barrel and red butt Ruger stock. The mountain rifle is pretty much factory except it’s in a Lee Six glass Sporter style stock. I never worked with loads on that rifle. Just seated the bullets back to factory oal. Shot around an inch at 100 off the hood of my car. Close enough I knew the ballistics. My first center fire rifle was a Rem 788 in 222 Rem. That rifle spoiled me for accuracy. I’ve had to work for that in all subsequent rifles but 7x57 held its own when I found which bullets it liked best then powder. I4350,,, I think if you look at the 222 Rem it seems to be a miniature 7x57.
Great information, thanks!
I don’t have 7mm Mauser. But my introduction to the 257 Roberts was when I reloaded some rounds for a friend. These cases were resized 7x57 M, with the 7x57 head-stamp. Fell in love with the 257 Roberts and have owned on now for 38 years. Considering it’s parent how can the offspring not be good?
True
It's the parent case of the 6mm rem or 244rem
You are correct
Rather, it was the parent case ‘for’ the .220 Swift, the 6mmRem./.244Rem., aswell as a few older German rnds!
The use of this cartridge by the Spain in Cuba in the Spanish American war really showed the US that they were behind on cartridge design, which led to the progression to the 30-06.
You are correct!
@@hopefulballistics Looking forward to my first 7x57 rifle with an FN-49 that is coming tomorrow. This might be the last push I need to get into handloading in order to get more appropriate ammo for the FN-49 as it will likely do better with a loading better designed around a gas gun vs a bolt. I also need to look at how hot of a loading these guns can safely handle as well.
Yep the 3040 was outdone by the mauser
A perfectly good cartridge, but with the baggage of something designed over 130 years ago. A lot has been learned in the last century about making a cartridge consistently accurate, and actions have become stronger, in that time. In particular, the 7mm-08 has what was once called a "match-style" chamber vs a 15° forcing cone. Still, the 7x57 is very capable and can be pushed well beyond its original performance even while holding to SAAMI pressure limits. If you like heavy bullets, 175 grain factory ammo is even available for it. The 7x57 case can hold roughly 5 grains more powder, so in a strong action, it can even slightly out-perform the 7mm-08, but it would need to be pushed beyond its original pressure specs to do so.
Well said, thanks!
All the reloading books I have show reduced loads for the 7x57. They do this because there are so many old Mausers that the strength of is unknown. I have loaded for the 7x57 for many years and I do load my handloads somewhat higher than almost all my books show. The 7mm08 will not match my loads as far as velocity unless you are willing to load higher than the book which I do not recommend.
A 150gr Berger Hunter over 50 grains of Reloader 15 puts me right at 2,800fps from a 24 inch barrel according to the clubs Lab Radar, no pressure signs.
Oddly enough, 53 grains shows obvious overpressure but only gives another 75 extra feet per second if even that.
It's a very unappreciated and underrated cartridge, especially considering how they were achieving such impressive performance 120 years ago with it.
By my line of thinking the Garand should've been in 7 Mauser.
I own a 1914 Spanish 7x57, received it as a Christmas present when I was 13. I’m no 51. I love the rifle, but I’m afraid the barrel is shot out now. The original stock was sporterized when I got it. I’m thinking of using the action to build another hunting rifle.
What cartridge are you thinking?
Possibly another 7x57, I like the round and their are so many different bullet options.
I recently had a Shilen barrel in .284 caliber installed on a Ruger action. I am very happy with its accuracy. It's 24 inches and a 7x57.
Thus the .257 Roberts and 6mm Remington were born.
Yes
@@hopefulballistics 6mm rem is such an interesting cart. I learned to shoot on my dad's r700 varmint rifle in 6mm rem and it was a beast. When I was old enough to buy my own rifle, I got a r700 mountain rifle in 7x57.
The 7x57 would be much more popular except for the young shooters, who feel they have to have some new wonderful round or they would never be able to hit a target. The new cartridges offer nothing except that ammo and gun manufacturers have no problem catering to this obsession.
Thanks for watching
Hello, what is the name of the book you have?
It’s just a reloading manual. I usually show the most current Nosler or Hornady one in the videos
Is there a difference in 7 mm Mauser to a 7x57mm Mauser round would the 7x57mm round work in the 7mm Mauser rifle
Nope, it’s the same.
Power wise cartrige
Was wondering what reloading manual are you using
The main 2 I use is Nosler and Hornady.
@hopefulballistics kewl I have one of the spanish civilwar 7mm mauser but you was not clear spanish did not build there own they waited untill the patient was done after w2 to build there spanish mauser after w2 Germany was forbid to have the rifles
I have a Ruger 77 in 7x57 that I bought in the late 1980's. About 5 years ago I had a custom trigger put in it. Just this year I updated it by putting a new barrel and custom stock and had it bedded properly. I love this rifle, have taken approx 50 deer and 50 hogs with it. I might start experimenting with custom ammo to see what it likes best. Any suggestions?
The best all around bullet is some kind of bonded bullet. Best brass would be Lapua, or Peterson. Find a good temperature insensitive powder. All just my opinion
@@hopefulballistics Thank you
I have a Ruger M77 that started its life as a 270 but I had it re barreled to a 275 Rigby. I am working a custom load for it now using 154 grain bullets because I'm an elk hunter. I do load heavier than my loads books show. I am now achieving 2758 fps without showing any signs of over pressure. The two largest elk I've ever taken were with 139 and 140 grain bullets. I just want that little extra mass for a little longer shot.
First introduced in 1892 for the Spanish military rifle by Mauser.
A great cartridge IF hand loaded for strong, modern rifles.
Be careful of ancient rifles of dubious manufacture.
Good call out, thanks
I have a custom 7x57 using a 93 Spanish Mauser action and a barrel made at the TSJC gunsmithing school. It has handled any load I used in it without any problems. I do load somewhat over maximum of what most of my books show because almost all reloading manuals take into consideration the many unknown factors about old rifles. CYA!
7mm-08 with Barnes 120gr bullets will do any white tail walking.
Why go back to old school ?
Why not?
@@hopefulballistics well I can reload" big advantage"I also use a 20 inch barrel so fast powder like XBR-8208 or IMR-4064 does a great job. No advantage with 7x57 unless a 24 inch barrel is used. Construction of bullets has come a long way lighter copper bullets at increased speed does a better job and has better groups. I'm big fan of 700 action " simple but proven.
Chisten Arms has my heart over Remington, better quality" can't beat the price for what ya get dog. And short action cuts more weight.
7mm-08 is awesome does better than most short action cartridges.
No brainer for me.
@@randallwhite9015 I don’t disagree, I would pick the 7mm-08. However the 7x57 has so much prestige, nostalgia, and history. I can see someone wanted to use it. Same reason people shoot lever guns, single shot classic rifles, etc.
I own a Tikka T3 in 7mm-08, and would be happy if it chambered in 7x57. What's stopping anyone loading a modern 20" barrelled 7x57 with 120gr Barnes bullets???, probably have a higher velocity than a 7mm-08.
It's the metallurgy and powders back 130 years ago that restricted the cartridge, not the design.
Varget and even a bit slower powders work fine in my 20" barrel 7mm-08.
@@randallwhite9015 Sorry to disagree with you but I do hand load and I have two 7x57 rifles. One a 22 inch barrel and one 24 inch barrel. By handloading the 7mm-08 which is a wonderful rifle but not what the 7x57 is.
I have one those spanish civil war 7mm mauser
Nice!
In fact it was made the yr befor
Ackley the 7x57, you will enjoy!!!
I’d say your right
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You have to really watch loading pressure. In the old Mauser
Thanks
With old-style rifles
Yep
When I learned about Mauser rounds I was baffled by America's failure in firearm tech.
Always use hand loads
For sure
I thought the 7×57 came first as it was being used in spanish rifles against the americans. Then they had to make a different one to be used in German rifles.
There are two 8mm German cartridges, one before the 7x57 and one after.
@@hopefulballistics what was the official name of the one before. The 8×57 and it's variations were after. I assume the ones before were different in name?
@@zebacake4683 I can’t remember exactly. It’s like 8x57I or 8x57J. I always refer to the one after as the 8mm Mauser.
@@hopefulballistics the one after is the 8×57js, I was pretty certain the 8×57j still came after but ig not
@@zebacake4683 names are escaping me, but 100% sure the original came before the 7mm Mauser.
7mm mauser 😎
Yes sir
have a 1935 brazilian, for 35 yrs, was 29" long. due to some careless storage by prev owner, , pitting, i opted to sporterize 24" recess crown. turned bolt down. free float bbl. timney trigger 3x9x40 nikon monarch. puts sierra 140' into a 3/8 group, (3 shots) to this day. have proof. maybe the most accurate rifle i have had. 1-8 r..o.t. helps.
using my own recipe. black bear, mule+ white tail, deer, moose, (griz 35 yrs back), and, this year 7x7 bull elk.9150 gr rem corloc) i have no doubt this will belong to my son one day. the steel butt plate = original. sling swivels=also, original (cut to sport length fore-end BEACH WOOD stock.. flat-ish out to 300 yds
That’s awesome! Thanks for sharing this.
I have an 1893 sporterized military Spanish Mauser "Loewe Berlin" that belonged to my great grandfather. I think it was made in 1895 according to s/n). It is in beautiful and almost "like-new" condition with the most fantastic blued finish. Beautiful stock as well. I think he must have bought it in maybe the 1930's-1950's for deer hunting. Anyway, I'd like to shoot it and I see that factory 7x57 ammo is both kind of scarce and expensive. My question is, can I shoot factory-made PPU, S&B, or Remington ammo in it, assuming that the rifle is perfectly sound? Like 139 or 140 grain soft points? Thanks!
Very nice!
The 7x57mm is an interesting cartridge. I thought about a project using the 7x57mm, but I am going with the 280AI instead.
Both great cartridges