I was taking notes from the beginning filling in what applied to my story (drama, romance) with his epic fantasy examples, and then he goes to apply that to romance, which I already spent 20 minutes trying to do on my own, so it fit perfectly and it made me so happy, it was like a pazzle. very good video.
@Fardawg While these do fit within the Hero's Journey, they can also be mapped onto Three Act Format, Five Act Format, and a simple set of Try-Fail cycles. Each of these structural models is useful in different ways, and each can be described in terms of the other. Dan's 7-point system is especially useful because of the process he describes. Analysts love structure, but but writers need process for structure to work.
12 years late but I would also suggest people read Joseph Campbell's The Hero with the Thousand Faces which popularised the hero's journey and which also shows the importance both metaphysical and literal of each of the stages of the journey. I believe Vogler even tells his readers to do so.
@fardawg - Yes, I'm "THE Howard Tayler." I'm glad you're enjoying Writing Excuses and Schlock Mercenary. BTW, I'm not sure why your first comment got marked as spam. I wasn't here then.
To whoever marked my comment as spam Why was my comment marked as spam? I simply stated that all of the stories Dan used could fit within the heroes journey. I recommended "The writer's Journey" which has many examples from multiple genres. If you disagree with me then say so. Don't mark comments you don't agree with as spam.
I don't quite buy the analysis of the tragedy. It seems like the pinches should oppose the progression from hook to resolution, so in a tragedy, they should be brief moments of hope, of opportunities to avoid the final catastrophe. I haven't read Othello in a very long time, but I would expect the pinches to be something like "Othello resists believing the planted evidence" and "Desdemona protests her innocence" or something like that. Otherwise, there's no conflict in the structure, it's just an unobstructed path downward.
@htayler I never said they didn't fit into other structures or that others weren't needed. I was simply pointing out that they do fit. I like Dan's structure and have used it. It is extremely helpful and helped me get past a roadblock in a short story I am writing. Are you THE Howard Taylor? I just noticed your name. I love Writing Excuses and have all of the episodes on my MP3 player. I've listened to them multiple times. It has helped me a lot with my writing.
I was taking notes from the beginning filling in what applied to my story (drama, romance) with his epic fantasy examples, and then he goes to apply that to romance, which I already spent 20 minutes trying to do on my own, so it fit perfectly and it made me so happy, it was like a pazzle. very good video.
I wish he wouldn't talk so loud at the beginning. It's overpowering that sweet music.
For the win.
@@TYTfanwere you always a tytfan?
@Fardawg While these do fit within the Hero's Journey, they can also be mapped onto Three Act Format, Five Act Format, and a simple set of Try-Fail cycles. Each of these structural models is useful in different ways, and each can be described in terms of the other.
Dan's 7-point system is especially useful because of the process he describes. Analysts love structure, but but writers need process for structure to work.
How do you apply it to the 5 Act Structure? I'm getting confused with the pinch 2 and the plot Turn 2.
Awesome work man, thanks for recording this. Your the bomb (or whatever)!
The Hero's Journey can be applied to all three of those stories. Read The Writer's Journey by Christopher Vogler.
12 years late but I would also suggest people read Joseph Campbell's The Hero with the Thousand Faces which popularised the hero's journey and which also shows the importance both metaphysical and literal of each of the stages of the journey. I believe Vogler even tells his readers to do so.
Have you ever written a little story, or novel?
@fardawg - Yes, I'm "THE Howard Tayler." I'm glad you're enjoying Writing Excuses and Schlock Mercenary.
BTW, I'm not sure why your first comment got marked as spam. I wasn't here then.
1:18 The hero
To whoever marked my comment as spam
Why was my comment marked as spam? I simply stated that all of the stories Dan used could fit within the heroes journey. I recommended "The writer's Journey" which has many examples from multiple genres. If you disagree with me then say so. Don't mark comments you don't agree with as spam.
I don't quite buy the analysis of the tragedy. It seems like the pinches should oppose the progression from hook to resolution, so in a tragedy, they should be brief moments of hope, of opportunities to avoid the final catastrophe. I haven't read Othello in a very long time, but I would expect the pinches to be something like "Othello resists believing the planted evidence" and "Desdemona protests her innocence" or something like that. Otherwise, there's no conflict in the structure, it's just an unobstructed path downward.
@htayler
I never said they didn't fit into other structures or that others weren't needed. I was simply pointing out that they do fit. I like Dan's structure and have used it. It is extremely helpful and helped me get past a roadblock in a short story I am writing.
Are you THE Howard Taylor? I just noticed your name. I love Writing Excuses and have all of the episodes on my MP3 player. I've listened to them multiple times. It has helped me a lot with my writing.
what does "heroe becomes a role" mean?
@htayler
By the way. I'm digging Schlock Mercenary.
Well, I was going to watch Othello . . .
I don't get the woman Narrator joke
I want to go at this school XD
Uf, The music during the First moments in each video is The worst!
The dork factor is strong in this one.
That music sucks buddy. It sounds like a cut scene from the Alan Wake video game.
Chaka Zulu read intro. I know I’m 5 years late haha
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