I am a mechanic, and I must say, I have never seen so much accomplished with a set of Channel locks great video, thanks for sharing. I hit a water line with my excavator that runs from my house well to our cottage while installing an internet tower base. The odds were 1 in a million, but that hole filled up some quick.
Nice job! I have never a tap like that, looks like they are easy to install. Thanks for sharing Frank! I feel confident now that I could do this after watching, thanks for walking us through it! Also your editing is top notch love the intro and the phone screenshot at the end! 👍🏻
I do this almost everyday for a city in central Florida and good job man! We have maybe 10 leaks a year under sidewalks because of inserts though. Man they suck so bad and now we don't even use them and haven't had a collapse in poly in 15 years without those suckers.
This is interesting, I have had to fix a few up here. I have always been told to never put one together without the insert. I may need to try this on the next one I fix. Thanks!
@Dustin Logan I don't disagree, but I've fixed maybe close to 50 of them leaking under sidewalks because they were used compared to 0 blown out because of not using inserts. But to each his own, dig on 👍
@Dustin Logan I hear that, inserts would work 100% of the time but the installer in certain subdivisions put the taps at such a wicked angle the insert cuts into the poly over the years after dirt is added and that is where our leaks are coming from. The end of the insert where the poly is bending. Stay safe in them holes ✌
@@Digginok no sir, we have not used them. Those might come in handy. I'm not the bossman round here so just do as I'm told. I'll show the plastic ones to them
From someone who has done a ton of these,from 3/4 up to 12” .it looked good to me.as you know you got to be careful on back filling , the insert if metal can cut the ploy pipe.
See Sir like I said I learn from you. before this coming up summer I need to run water lines to my new property that I just bought not big lots just right now I got an idea on how to do it thank you Sir Keep up the great work and those videos coming 👍👍
Another cool video! Always neat to see how other parts of the country handle things. Around here we have a water authority and they wouldn't let contractors anywhere near their water mains. They make the taps and set the meters. ( after you pay the large tap fee) contractors just install the private line from meter vault to the building.
@@cmmartti the tracer wire is to locate the pipe before it’s dug up. The wire surfaces somewhere and a device is connected to it. A signal is down the wire and another device can detect the signal and show where the pipe is.
Those hot taps are the best thing come a long since light bread ! 😊 Glad that you caught the open valve before it give you a COLD shower, would not have been fun ! Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍
That's pretty cool man as much grading work and messing with water lines I've never seen how them work so I've learned something new today good vid man lay in there pal
Nice work, I enjoy your videos. Subscribed to your channel because you do great work and don't curse, that way my teenagers can watch and don't worry about what they are going to hear. Young folks want to learn this type work, and from what I have seen, their learning from the best.
Darn man wish you cold figure out the brand of the tapping machine. I cannot find that design. I love the simplicity of it. The way the compression nut from the corp stop is used to hold the machine into place. Great simple design...
Great video!!! Kinda similar to tapping gas lines. I use to work for my local gas company as a mechanic, and occasionally had to work with the service line crew. Thanks for sharing!!!!
It's so strange to see what other states/cities allow compared to your own. I don't know if that was poly you tied into the corp but we can only run copper out of a saddle tap. Schedule 80 pvc if it's not in the ROW. Obviously ductile we have tap in sleeve and valve, or if it's an 8in to 8in we'll make two cuts, get two solids sleeves, a cut piece, and a valve. Thanks for the video.
Dalton Wagner this system has been in since 1999, we have had a few cracks at the steel inserts, but overall it has been good. Some soils with corrode copper pipe, so I guess it’s a matter of what works best. At least we don’t have any lead anymore.
Man tell me about it I know how sensitive copper is. I've fixed leaks in the middle of a parking lot that was just a pin hole. Soil sure does eat at it.
Dang that's a good intro! I want to go watch some Movin On now! You started loosening that nut and the valve was still open... I was about to have a heart-attack lol! Pretty cool unit. Didn't know a city would allow one of them due to possibility of contamination during installation but I don't really know anything about that stuff. Cool video! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks!!! Was one of my favorite shows, I caught the reruns and had a green KW toy when I was little! Could have been a very funny video if I had not shut it down! The tap method is approved by all cities as far as I know. I think there is actually less chance of contamination with the live tap than shutting down the system for say a main line break repair. I am licensed for doing this type work. Thanks for watching!
@@Digginok Interesting! Yeah, you know, that makes sense - it keeps the possible contamination area pretty well contained vs opening it all up. Cool stuff! Trying to go back thru your past videos, but it's going to take a while! Thanks for getting back to me!
The problem is it will fill your water heater with air, then until it purges you get a nice spray of hot air instead of water. Not desirable by the users. Thanks for watching
Now if I tried that there would be a water feature outside in the front yard. I still done see how water does not come gushing out as soon as you drill it because the valve is still open to allow the drill bit
Mr Frank, it seems that most of them corp stop builders leave that jam nut loose on them stops. I can't count the number of leaks that I found when we would pressure up a new system install! my guys would forget that we werent using the one or two brand name sorps that didnt leak and wouldnt check them when we installed them!
Another good video; im curious as to how far away the curbstop is away from your tap; and also when you back fill do you tomp the material below your tap so the weight of the material on top doesn’t try to shear off or move your tap? I saw a hot tap done one time on a rural water system that had 150psi and when they were doing the tap the pvc cracked and the basically blew out; a what was sapose to be a simple tap turned into a small nightmare
Thanks, the meter setter is across the street we don’t use curb stops here. It was around 60 feet away. Yep that pvc can be dangerous under high pressure. This is around 50 psi.
You was to use a 3/4" to hook up on the main for being 4" pipe and you needed another person with you when you was digging instead of getting in and out of the backhoe to shovel to see if you are getting close to the water main.
Seattle needs to be flush and the stop needs to be on top. Later on down the road with a leak it'll be hell tryna cut it off with the stop on the side and not to mention the possiblity of the backhoe driver hitting a inclined sattle
Alway put the saddle on a 45 around here, unless you have more than one within 36”. Valve will be fine, a crescent wrench will actually turn it easier on the side I have found. Thanks for watching
When fixing a ferrule during tapping a main, two bends are needed for keep on the main to avoid unnecessary damage to the service line due to weight of the top surface.
RANDY SCHNEIDER I got a little nervous when the bolt started squeaking, I was thinking to run over to the truck and pull the dipstick and put a drop on it, but it’s fine. This was cool, I’ve never seen this done up close before. I had a good time watching.
To each his own. I’d fire everyone of my guys for install like this. 1-Valve stop up always. If on side loses and correct. 2- clean pipe. Not with fingers or dirty rag etc. completely 360 around pipe. 3- run pipe up so you can shut it off Incase the main to house breaks. 4- I hate those shut offs. The brand. I like wider units. The clamp etc isn’t much bigger then the hole. 5- drilled to fast and hard. Last year a tech did the same thing on a pipe. Faster then he should have and pipe got a hair line crack with a round hole. City loved me for that one lol. Etc etc But this is only my opinion. In short it’s done Correctly I’m very picky
I have never seen one installed straight up, have been taught that it would pick up air. Yes water systems have air in them. Pipe was clean. Where would you suggest I put a shut off? Much shallower and it would freeze. Have over 100 of these bands on this system and absolutely never had a band fail. As for the shut offs, we have the same one on every service, makes for a easy call when ordering parts. I have never cracked a main , if you use common sense and a sharp bit I find it helps. The bit I use is not a common drill, it is only for PVC, very little pressure was applied. Make a video of the proper method, a lot of people would appreciate it. Thanks for your input!
Digginok Digginok Digginok I wrote that wrong. Thanks for saying something. The valve not straight up. The stop I ment. As for the bit. I use nothing but the correct tools and bits. My point was there never ment to be drilled or pushed on hard or jabbed. As for cleaning pipe. The pipe should be free and clear of dirt dust. You name it. A 360 deg clear and clean path around. I’m in no way saying your methods are wrong. Only my opinion. Just like when I do them. Check to make sure pipe hasn’t egged out at all. If it has then install the correct clamps on left and right of new valve area then install. Not only 30yrs of this stuff. But have traveled to shows. Mfg buildings and there classes cuz well why not. Even to other countries. And 1 of the big things in classes. Old timers. City workers etc. it’s a main line. Always make sure of everything since shutting main off is not good. Example. Your leak when you drilled it was a simple tightening up. But the valve should have been checked first. Just like hot tapping a 8inch and your using a rig. Everything must be set correctly. Start and end point etc. it’s a bad day when you mess it up and you can’t shut valve off due to drill. Easy thing to overlook but so important. Like I said a bit picky I am I guess. Personally I like bypassing on main lines 6-8 inch etc to install a main line shut off. Never forget 20ish years ago. Stopped to talk to a buddy doing one. Large main but he was in the ditch and the line exploded. A lot of water and high pressure. He forgot to prime the new section. Water hammer time. Lol
Mike Sacco I’m sure I could learn a lot more. I really think you should make a video, it would be appreciated by many. Sometimes I should probably just listen and not reply. Lol
Digginok I have thought about a video or 2 about a few things. Like I said I’m a bit picky on things. More picky on things that don’t have quick access. So I have always done extra steps. Just like most think you have to tighter the hell outta something. In your video you pointed out do not over tighten. I was at a job today and a tap that was installed was on so tight it made the pipe egg out. The installer happen to be there I was working on something else so I told him. Since you don’t have a gauge take the same pipe cut in 1/2 this way you can set it on pipe. If a large gap appears you know it’s to tight. Luckily this main line was from a high pressure well at a winery so no big deal of fixing it. I have been doing this for so long but I’ll admit I’m always learning something. Let alone the new products that come out or new codes. We all start somewhere I guess. 30 plus yrs ago I remember fix time I ever was at a hot tap to a water main. The owner (boss) said here’s everything you need now do it. I had zero clue. After 5 min of looking dumb I asked where’s the torch. He said huh. I said it’s a hot tap right. Funny yes. But it still makes sense. It should be called a cold tap. I miss those days. No Paper work. Warranty work. Bids. Etc I went to work then came home. And now today. I work and come home and work more. Everyone wants to own business But most don’t understand how much it takes. If you don’t mind me asking what part on the us you live in? Shocked you didn’t install a riser to gain access to the hot tap. I used. To live in Ohio now California. Last one in Ohio due to cold. I always used a insulation jacket that went inside the riser so it wouldn’t freeze.
Haha “i swear i get stupider on camera”. Good job obviously you know what your doing bud!👍🏼 quick question is there a fitting to be able to convert that poly pipe to schedule 40 or can you just put a insert in the poly pipe and use a regular pvc coupler? Thanks friend!
Hey Frank great job.Nothing like having the right tool for the job I have a question do you guys in OK have a company that comes and does a utility mark out . Here in the great state of N J ya right they will roast your ass if you don't call for a mark out just curious if you do thanks for the video also I have changed all of the teeth on our buckets I love the wide chisel teeth it makes the ditch a lot cleaner thanks for the tips keep up the good work
We have OKIE811, they notify all utility companies in the dig area. It is then up to the utility companies to locate. The flare teeth are the best. Thanks for watching.
Very good video! Watched thoroughly because I have a same job to do on my property too. Does not seem to complicated. Could you please tell me what exact saddle valve-was used on 4” mains waterline. Do most plumbing wholesale supply have them? Thank you and keep making the good video’s
Glad you got the valve to stop leaking. I'm not sure you could have swapped out that tap as fast as you did the temp sensor on the backhoe. Lol How deep does the frost line typically get there? Or does it not get cold enough, long enough to freeze the ground there? Just curious since it's that that time of the year here.
A great video and this variety amazing. Do you have to have a license and be bonded to do that work in your area? Around here the the license and bond you need cost so much that if you pay all that you have to do this type of work everyday to afford the tole. In Lancaster it is a political thing, they do this to squeeze out the competition. Basically the city decides about what 3 guys will be able to do this work. Every once in a while someone will have their work dry up ( they get voted off the island). They will be replaced with someone who greases the right wheels. In the end it just makes work like this be crazy expensive. About 15 guys from the city and you still have the plumber (who is not a city employee). Thanks for coming out and doing this in a time efficient manner and at a fair price. This only takes a week to schedule and 1/2 to 1 whole day to get done around here. Thanks for not using the snap-on tools in the hole.
Yes I have a class d license, one of my side jobs is for the small town of Mulhall as water/sewer operator, so this is just a duty done as needed. Some towns do their own meter sets and taps. I would not want to try and compete with all the bonds. Just wanted to show another side of what I do.
@@Digginok I am glad Mulhall is a friendlier place than Lancaster to the small business. People like to talk about how self employed people got it made. I think self employed means if you know how to do it and can make a dollar you can't say no! Thanks for doing nice clean work. I can see why they use your service! Digging around plastic pipe takes real finesse. I am glad you shared this video, many of your subscribers are learning just how versatile you really are. Much respect for your talents.
Around here they also put on a valve that has a 5 sided nut and they run a plastic pipe straight down to it. I might have seen these wrenches made out of heavy strap steel and tig welded together. The darkness was made for bad deeds but sometimes justice happens after the sun goes down.
@@Digginok I am glad you got the offer you did a nice job. Around here the work ethic is so poor that people complain about doing anything that takes a little talent or just diggin' in and getting sweaty and dirty. A 15 minute video of yours seems to pass in about 3 minutes. That must mean that you have entertaining, new and interesting content. Just keep stacking up the subscribers!
I'm sorry folks but i was brought up around underground construction. One where were the required locate marks for any utilites where he was digging which are required before you dig especially when diggiing for a main like that. Two if he had looked further down the road from where he was digging he would have seen the line was set back least 10ft back off the road cause the fire hydrant is set that far back, 3 no care the rest the people all ready on the line for the contaminate being put into the line by the tap. I am sorry this is sad to gross neglect for the safety the other customers on the line
What your describing are sub-contrator requirements on public or privately owned projects. I work in wholesale, good portion of our business come from municipalities. I'd bet this man is the "waterman" as we call it in our industry. He's the one who takes care of the local water system. They are fully licensed by their state and have 100% control of their systems. Of course permits are required for big construction through the state, but this is a regular tap within city limits. He did what men and women do at water departments all over the country.
thats a small water main, ours are minimum 24" to 36", and 3/4" thick wall, and a green pipe,you put the valve one side ways, how they going to get there shut off tool down the 10 foot stand pipe to shut the water service off once its back filled, its a curb stop valve, witch the city is responsible for up to that feed valve and the customer has to pay to get connected to it or do it them self,but you have to call the city to come turn of the water if you need to do repairs between the curb stop and your main shut off valve in the house before the meter, but i made up my own 10 foot long tool to reach down the stand pipe to turn water off or on for service, years ago at my mom and dads there use to only be a 6 inch water main and half the time we had very low water presser until they finally came 12 years later and up graded to a 36 in water main then we had all kinds but i moved out just after that
We also have a pinch off tool for the poly pipe, it can shut off the flow for as long as needed. Things are done differently in different places, don’t necessarily mean they are wrong.
@@Digginok well of cores not, as warmer place i see just have there water mains a few inches under ground were ares are 7 feet down to be sure they are out of the frost line, is that not black poly pipe i find pinching that off iy stays kinked
If these modern equipments are used in Nepal, installing pipes and repairing could be so fast and easy process.. sadly our drinking water uses old tools and they need 15 to 20 minutes just to cut a hole in the pipe... I was wondering why GI pipes aren’t used for service lines there.. aren’t they strong and durable!!??
PVC, no rust, no threads, easy to join, very light easy to carry, high pressure, bigger range of fittings, many colours ie waste water and drinking water and recycled water different colours.
Do not over tighten, that is a very specific torque spec. It sounds a lot like between a grunt and 1 1/2 grunts. I forgot all you can get and another 1/2 turn!
after all the years youve done this you still havnt learned it would be better to dig a little more down and get a nice flat angle with your tap ..idk I've never done, just logic from the looks of it .
@@Digginok maybe less pressure from upwards .like say a huge truck driving over that area..that compression from above, that type of force. thats all. just my thoughts.
Were you doing this for your own home? Did you not need a meter? In the UK the water company usually joins you to the main with a curb-side meter once you lay (or a plumber) your own pipe in a trench.
Yes I work for the small town water company where this meter was done, I did not show the meter as it was on the other side of the street. The plumber ran a line from there. Was only showing the tap.
Yep! Each month they need a new truck, new tires on last months new truck, new JCB lease, new 20" rims and tires on the old JCB trailer , a crew of 10 to give instructions on how they'd dig while ignoring the mile and a half long traffic jamb cause by all their 12 trucks with empty 40" trailers hitched upblocking the road, and an intern at the office who inadvertently scheduled you for the following year. And of course, when it freezes in four months time, the cycle will need to be repeated after the line freezes thanks to an enormous air pocket filled with water froze around you're new main connection. Enjoy!
Good Afternoon Frank good job , just wondering do have a licence, because here in the UK you would not be allowed to connect onto the water main unless it was a private supply ???. Take Care my friend and catch you next time :).
Wayne Compton yes I have a class d water and sewer license. I am the operator for the small town where I did this. You a correct required over here Too thanks!!!
It can get complicated, depends on the job. Sometimes I do charge more, on this job the backhoe and operator is hired to the town, I work for the town so that is part of my salary.
Not sure what the laws are in each city state county Etc I know in New York state they don't allow you to do this You have to pay to have the municipal water Department come out and put in a tap and a water shut-off curb stop access pipe so they can use a curb stop wrench to shut off the water if they need to And to prevent damage to there lines In the city where I used to live the water lines were over 100 years old and even being careful they would often break During the winters we would have a dozen or more brakes just from the ground freezing and the lines were four feet down where the frost shouldn't have affected them but just that little bit of movement in the Earth cause them to break
I am the water sewer operator in this town where this was done, we don’t allow anyone to do this either. I was just showing how it was done. It doesn’t freeze that deep around here so we try to keep the mains 3 feet or deeper, service lines around 24”. I was installing a new service for a house, and I put in a new meter. Thanks for watching.
OffroadTrucker740 I have looked all over it and it doesn’t have any markings that I can find. It was in the town shop when I went to work there. Reed builds one about as simple. It is easy to use but will only work on one size tap.
It that a private line or public ? Because if it public ,where is the meter lol ,I wonder how many water company employees are stealing their own water with such a tap ,if you get caught messing with the public water system you can be charged with a felony charge and even worse if they want to be dicks about it ..
Hi Frank. I've only ever witnessed hot taps on steel pipe when I worked in pipeline and refining. I don't now what types of "plugs" are used to stop flow on pvc but I'm curious why you went with the 45 degree position. I know its only 4" pipe so I assume that plug is small. Do you ever worry about someone tearing it off by going at an angle instead of doing the tap centered on top of the pipe? In theory I guess there may be more risk of hitting a plug if someone is digging directly over the spot unaware that its there. Or is there a requirement in your state to flag underground repairs so in the future a homeowner doesn't decide to let's say plant a tree in that spot? thank you for the video and I hope my questions makes sense.
Debbie * good question, the reason we don't go straight up is because of air pockets that form in the main, so we have to go at a 45 or 90, If we didn't it would cause a lot of grief for the customers, sometimes a 45 is not enough so we have to flush the mains to get the air out. They do get snagged, but we try to mark them on maps. It's pretty standard on water taps, it's pretty fun digging down to shut them off live, funner in the summer. On this job I was about 4 feet from an existing tap for another house, I had ditch tape on the bore sleeve that I ran through, and I had documented where the tap was from the sleeve. Any time I dig around a water main I look for the existing meters, usually the tap is on the same side of main as the tap and should be in line with it. So in theory you can dig pretty close to the main on opposite side from where the meter is. Thanks for watching!
@@Digginok I am really only familiar with pressurized pipes with ethane/propane in them and air pockets never crossed my mind dealing with a water main. Thank you for answering!
Digginok my advice would get away from those plug valve style Corp stops and go with a ball Corp stop they will hold much more pressure no packing nut on the bottom of the Corp stop to leak like you had to tighten up and much easier to cut on and off. But always use and adjustable wrench on the Corp stop
Digginok the pliers have teeth on them and scratched the brass the adjustable wreck has smooth jaws and want scratch the brass those scratches could cause a leak on the Corp stop. I’m glad your using a full circle tapping saddle on pvc mains.
I havent seen a probe like that in years. We always used them and it seems today no one even knows what they are anymore. Great video !
Well how else would you find the pipe?
I am a mechanic, and I must say, I have never seen so much accomplished with a set of Channel locks
great video, thanks for sharing.
I hit a water line with my excavator that runs from my house well to our cottage while installing an internet tower base.
The odds were 1 in a million, but that hole filled up some quick.
Nice job! I have never a tap like that, looks like they are easy to install. Thanks for sharing Frank! I feel confident now that I could do this after watching, thanks for walking us through it! Also your editing is top notch love the intro and the phone screenshot at the end! 👍🏻
Elite Earthworks LLC Thanks Brandon!!!
Nice job, you had me hollering at he screen, "don't forget to close the tap before you remove the tool", then a sigh of relief. Lol
Jared Ellis I bout made a really funny video! Thanks
I do this almost everyday for a city in central Florida and good job man! We have maybe 10 leaks a year under sidewalks because of inserts though. Man they suck so bad and now we don't even use them and haven't had a collapse in poly in 15 years without those suckers.
This is interesting, I have had to fix a few up here. I have always been told to never put one together without the insert. I may need to try this on the next one I fix. Thanks!
@Dustin Logan I don't disagree, but I've fixed maybe close to 50 of them leaking under sidewalks because they were used compared to 0 blown out because of not using inserts. But to each his own, dig on 👍
@Dustin Logan I hear that, inserts would work 100% of the time but the installer in certain subdivisions put the taps at such a wicked angle the insert cuts into the poly over the years after dirt is added and that is where our leaks are coming from. The end of the insert where the poly is bending. Stay safe in them holes ✌
Mike Hunt have you used any plastic inserts? Maybe that would help, I’m thinking of switching over to them instead of the stainless.
@@Digginok no sir, we have not used them. Those might come in handy. I'm not the bossman round here so just do as I'm told. I'll show the plastic ones to them
From someone who has done a ton of these,from 3/4 up to 12” .it looked good to me.as you know you got to be careful on back filling , the insert if metal can cut the ploy pipe.
See Sir like I said I learn from you. before this coming up summer I need to run water lines to my new property that I just bought not big lots just right now I got an idea on how to do it thank you Sir
Keep up the great work and those videos coming 👍👍
I got a lot to learn too my friend!!!
We all do Sir we all do 👍
You get to dig it up again.
Love it
Good video. That's what I do most days. Neat to see different tools and parts
The PVC taps are so easy, glad you enjoyed it, hope I did it right!lol
I remember when “Movin On” was on tv.... 👍. Thanks for the video.
I knew someone would get it!!! happy to hear you liked it!
Digginok not that im getting older....😂
@@DC-1 Do it to it like Pruitt used to do it to it!
Another cool video! Always neat to see how other parts of the country handle things. Around here we have a water authority and they wouldn't let contractors anywhere near their water mains. They make the taps and set the meters. ( after you pay the large tap fee) contractors just install the private line from meter vault to the building.
I actually work for the town I’m doing this in, we don’t allow contractors to do them. Thanks for watching!
Digginok yick yik yick yick!!
That's awesome that your municipality contracts that out. Big ductile mains are what's fun lol
I’m actually a town employee. I have done a couple of ductile too. A lot harder to drill for sure.
Enjoyed watching this video. From new Zealand and like every1 else I was getting excited till you turned it off haha well done.
Digginok, you make look too simple, and you are very talented.
Awesome dirt. Good job on the gap!
9:23 every plumber watching started screaming NO!!!
Would’ve made a good video though
especially when his nuts are in direct line with the cutter rod, if that came out under the back pressure of the water!!!
A good set of Channel locks are your best friend when plumbing.
I thought that drill bit was about to take off like a bottle rocket at 9:27 😥
good video, typical plumber dealing with typical problems. Tracer wire in the way, never any surprises in this trade.
@@cmmartti the tracer wire is to locate the pipe before it’s dug up. The wire surfaces somewhere and a device is connected to it. A signal is down the wire and another device can detect the signal and show where the pipe is.
Those hot taps are the best thing come a long since light bread ! 😊
Glad that you caught the open valve before it give you a COLD shower, would not have been fun !
Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍
50psi water is pretty powerful. Way better than the old direct taps.
That's pretty cool man as much grading work and messing with water lines I've never seen how them work so I've learned something new today good vid man lay in there pal
Thanks!!! I’m sure I gotta lot to learn myself!!!
Well, you 'saddled that bronc' nicely, well done!!!
arkansas13 thanks!
Nice work, I enjoy your videos. Subscribed to your channel because you do great work and don't curse, that way my teenagers can watch and don't worry about what they are going to hear. Young folks want to learn this type work, and from what I have seen, their learning from the best.
Welcome to the channel!!! I try to keep it clean, I’m probably not the best but I’m glad to hear you like the channel!!! Thanks!
Great video Frank 👍🏻
The hardest part is finding the water line good job
One man crew nice work operator
Thanks
Darn man wish you cold figure out the brand of the tapping machine. I cannot find that design. I love the simplicity of it. The way the compression nut from the corp stop is used to hold the machine into place. Great simple design...
Daniel Reynolds www.powerseal.com/Products here it is
Great video Mr..👍
Thanks!
Great video!!! Kinda similar to tapping gas lines. I use to work for my local gas company as a mechanic, and occasionally had to work with the service line crew. Thanks for sharing!!!!
Thanks!!! And you are welcome!!!
It's so strange to see what other states/cities allow compared to your own. I don't know if that was poly you tied into the corp but we can only run copper out of a saddle tap. Schedule 80 pvc if it's not in the ROW. Obviously ductile we have tap in sleeve and valve, or if it's an 8in to 8in we'll make two cuts, get two solids sleeves, a cut piece, and a valve. Thanks for the video.
Dalton Wagner yep it varies a lot from town to town around here. It is poly pipe, it’s the way this whole system is. Thank you for watching!
@@Digginok poly is definitely a lot easier to put in and definitely cheaper. Although I don't know about longevity.
Dalton Wagner this system has been in since 1999, we have had a few cracks at the steel inserts, but overall it has been good. Some soils with corrode copper pipe, so I guess it’s a matter of what works best. At least we don’t have any lead anymore.
Man tell me about it I know how sensitive copper is. I've fixed leaks in the middle of a parking lot that was just a pin hole. Soil sure does eat at it.
Dang that's a good intro! I want to go watch some Movin On now! You started loosening that nut and the valve was still open... I was about to have a heart-attack lol! Pretty cool unit. Didn't know a city would allow one of them due to possibility of contamination during installation but I don't really know anything about that stuff. Cool video! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks!!! Was one of my favorite shows, I caught the reruns and had a green KW toy when I was little!
Could have been a very funny video if I had not shut it down! The tap method is approved by all cities as far as I know. I think there is actually less chance of contamination with the live tap than shutting down the system for say a main line break repair.
I am licensed for doing this type work. Thanks for watching!
@@Digginok Interesting! Yeah, you know, that makes sense - it keeps the possible contamination area pretty well contained vs opening it all up. Cool stuff! Trying to go back thru your past videos, but it's going to take a while! Thanks for getting back to me!
How have I missed your channel? I’m subbing!!!
@@Digginok Hey thanks man! Appreciate it! I've been missing yours too and subscribed so looking forward to catching up on your videos! Thanks!
Darn McDonald stuff. Lol. We love our Mueller brass.
Yeah, stuck with McDonald’s
Great video. But why is air an issue? If there's air, wouldn't it just escape quickly and then fill with water?
The problem is it will fill your water heater with air, then until it purges you get a nice spray of hot air instead of water. Not desirable by the users. Thanks for watching
Now if I tried that there would be a water feature outside in the front yard. I still done see how water does not come gushing out as soon as you drill it because the valve is still open to allow the drill bit
Lol! It’s all sealed up till you turn off the valve. Thanks for watching Chris!
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Slick! If you get a pliers wrench you won't regret it
Mr Frank, it seems that most of them corp stop builders leave that jam nut loose on them stops. I can't count the number of leaks that I found when we would pressure up a new system install! my guys would forget that we werent using the one or two brand name sorps that didnt leak and wouldnt check them when we installed them!
That was awesome. Thnx guys
Why not to use adjustable wrenchs good video i have done that for fire sprinklers. Is not easy how it looks.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Another good video; im curious as to how far away the curbstop is away from your tap; and also when you back fill do you tomp the material below your tap so the weight of the material on top doesn’t try to shear off or move your tap? I saw a hot tap done one time on a rural water system that had 150psi and when they were doing the tap the pvc cracked and the basically blew out; a what was sapose to be a simple tap turned into a small nightmare
Thanks, the meter setter is across the street we don’t use curb stops here. It was around 60 feet away. Yep that pvc can be dangerous under high pressure. This is around 50 psi.
great video ! thanks for posting
Thank!
You was to use a 3/4" to hook up on the main for being 4" pipe and you needed another person with you when you was digging instead of getting in and out of the backhoe to shovel to see if you are getting close to the water main.
1” tap saddle, feeding a residential house with a 5/8” meter. Not sure what you are getting at, but this is pretty common.
Nice and shallow , water mains around here are at least 4 feet deep. Thanks for sharing
That is a shallow one. Your welcome!
Teaching people how to rob water from the water dept. Lol
Yep free water for everybody.
Exactly what I’m doing! Duh
That's how I'm going to water my yard
@@Digginok I was just kidding, I wouldn't rob water, it was a very good thing to learn.
Lol it’s all good! Good luck with the yard water!
Seattle needs to be flush and the stop needs to be on top. Later on down the road with a leak it'll be hell tryna cut it off with the stop on the side and not to mention the possiblity of the backhoe driver hitting a inclined sattle
Alway put the saddle on a 45 around here, unless you have more than one within 36”. Valve will be fine, a crescent wrench will actually turn it easier on the side I have found. Thanks for watching
When fixing a ferrule during tapping a main, two bends are needed for keep on the main to avoid unnecessary damage to the service line due to weight of the top surface.
Installed lots of these on AC had to be careful not to over tighten saddle nuts could snap the main then big problems.
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I got a little nervous when the bolt started squeaking, I was thinking to run over to the truck and pull the dipstick and put a drop on it, but it’s fine.
This was cool, I’ve never seen this done up close before.
I had a good time watching.
Where's your Witching Sticks?!!! 😂😂😂
To each his own.
I’d fire everyone of my guys for install like this.
1-Valve stop up always. If on side loses and correct.
2- clean pipe. Not with fingers or dirty rag etc. completely 360 around pipe.
3- run pipe up so you can shut it off Incase the main to house breaks.
4- I hate those shut offs. The brand.
I like wider units. The clamp etc isn’t much bigger then the hole.
5- drilled to fast and hard. Last year a tech did the same thing on a pipe. Faster then he should have and pipe got a hair line crack with a round hole. City loved me for that one lol.
Etc etc
But this is only my opinion.
In short it’s done Correctly
I’m very picky
I have never seen one installed straight up, have been taught that it would pick up air. Yes water systems have air in them. Pipe was clean. Where would you suggest I put a shut off? Much shallower and it would freeze. Have over 100 of these bands on this system and absolutely never had a band fail. As for the shut offs, we have the same one on every service, makes for a easy call when ordering parts. I have never cracked a main , if you use common sense and a sharp bit I find it helps. The bit I use is not a common drill, it is only for PVC, very little pressure was applied. Make a video of the proper method, a lot of people would appreciate it. Thanks for your input!
Digginok
Digginok
Digginok
I wrote that wrong. Thanks for saying something.
The valve not straight up.
The stop I ment.
As for the bit.
I use nothing but the correct tools and bits.
My point was there never ment to be drilled or pushed on hard or jabbed.
As for cleaning pipe.
The pipe should be free and clear of dirt dust. You name it.
A 360 deg clear and clean path around.
I’m in no way saying your methods are wrong. Only my opinion.
Just like when I do them.
Check to make sure pipe hasn’t egged out at all.
If it has then install the correct clamps on left and right of new valve area then install.
Not only 30yrs of this stuff.
But have traveled to shows. Mfg buildings and there classes cuz well why not.
Even to other countries.
And 1 of the big things in classes. Old timers. City workers etc.
it’s a main line. Always make sure of everything since shutting main off is not good.
Example. Your leak when you drilled it was a simple tightening up.
But the valve should have been checked first.
Just like hot tapping a 8inch and your using a rig.
Everything must be set correctly. Start and end point etc.
it’s a bad day when you mess it up and you can’t shut valve off due to drill. Easy thing to overlook but so important.
Like I said a bit picky I am I guess.
Personally I like bypassing on main lines 6-8 inch etc to install a main line shut off.
Never forget 20ish years ago. Stopped to talk to a buddy doing one.
Large main but he was in the ditch and the line exploded. A lot of water and high pressure.
He forgot to prime the new section. Water hammer time. Lol
Mike Sacco I’m sure I could learn a lot more. I really think you should make a video, it would be appreciated by many. Sometimes I should probably just listen and not reply. Lol
Digginok
I have thought about a video or 2 about a few things.
Like I said I’m a bit picky on things.
More picky on things that don’t have quick access.
So I have always done extra steps.
Just like most think you have to tighter the hell outta something.
In your video you pointed out do not over tighten.
I was at a job today and a tap that was installed was on so tight it made the pipe egg out.
The installer happen to be there I was working on something else so I told him. Since you don’t have a gauge take the same pipe cut in 1/2 this way you can set it on pipe. If a large gap appears you know it’s to tight.
Luckily this main line was from a high pressure well at a winery so no big deal of fixing it.
I have been doing this for so long but I’ll admit I’m always learning something. Let alone the new products that come out or new codes.
We all start somewhere I guess. 30 plus yrs ago I remember fix time I ever was at a hot tap to a water main.
The owner (boss) said here’s everything you need now do it.
I had zero clue. After 5 min of looking dumb I asked where’s the torch. He said huh. I said it’s a hot tap right.
Funny yes. But it still makes sense.
It should be called a cold tap.
I miss those days. No Paper work. Warranty work. Bids. Etc
I went to work then came home.
And now today. I work and come home and work more.
Everyone wants to own business
But most don’t understand how much it takes.
If you don’t mind me asking what part on the us you live in?
Shocked you didn’t install a riser to gain access to the hot tap.
I used. To live in Ohio now California.
Last one in Ohio due to cold. I always used a insulation jacket that went inside the riser so it wouldn’t freeze.
Lol very true !!! Always something to learn. Thanks for watching!
What was it that you inserted into the black pipe before you inserted it into the tap?
It’s a stainless steel stiffener insert. I’m not sure they are needed , but we have always used them
im assuming its so it wont bend in any way like a cord for a charger. it ends up breaking from bending it?
Haha “i swear i get stupider on camera”. Good job obviously you know what your doing bud!👍🏼 quick question is there a fitting to be able to convert that poly pipe to schedule 40 or can you just put a insert in the poly pipe and use a regular pvc coupler? Thanks friend!
Yea they make adapters for copper tube size and pvc. This is actually pvc size poly. Thanks for watching
In New Jersey main water lines for residential are 3/4 or 1 inch. I just ran a 90 foot 1 inch copper line this week
Hey Frank great job.Nothing like having the right tool for the job I have a question do you guys in OK have a company that comes and does a utility mark out . Here in the great state of N J ya right they will roast your ass if you don't call for a mark out just curious if you do thanks for the video also I have changed all of the teeth on our buckets I love the wide chisel teeth it makes the ditch a lot cleaner thanks for the tips keep up the good work
We have OKIE811, they notify all utility companies in the dig area. It is then up to the utility companies to locate. The flare teeth are the best. Thanks for watching.
Nice job on the install.
Thanks!
Very good video! Watched thoroughly because I have a same job to do on my property too. Does not seem to complicated. Could you please tell me what exact saddle valve-was used on 4” mains waterline. Do most plumbing wholesale supply have them? Thank you and keep making the good video’s
did you tap into that for you home? garden?
How did you find the 4 inch line
This was for a small town, water meter. I work for the town.
I live in Los Angeles. The city likely has copper lines, unsure size. I dont think they want me tapping into their system by hot tapping. LOL
How are you supposed to shutoff the main to the house if it's buried?
Valve is in the meter box to shut off water to house.
Glad you got the valve to stop leaking. I'm not sure you could have swapped out that tap as fast as you did the temp sensor on the backhoe. Lol How deep does the frost line typically get there? Or does it not get cold enough, long enough to freeze the ground there? Just curious since it's that that time of the year here.
I’ve seen some swapped live, it takes one man to hold the other man under while he threads it in. Frost line is around 18” here.
@@DigginokNow that was funny right there. haha
Would you be able to convert the line to pvc from the tapping valve and how or where can I find the 1in saddle you use?
A great video and this variety amazing. Do you have to have a license and be bonded to do that work in your area? Around here the the license and bond you need cost so much that if you pay all that you have to do this type of work everyday to afford the tole. In Lancaster it is a political thing, they do this to squeeze out the competition. Basically the city decides about what 3 guys will be able to do this work. Every once in a while someone will have their work dry up ( they get voted off the island). They will be replaced with someone who greases the right wheels. In the end it just makes work like this be crazy expensive. About 15 guys from the city and you still have the plumber (who is not a city employee). Thanks for coming out and doing this in a time efficient manner and at a fair price. This only takes a week to schedule and 1/2 to 1 whole day to get done around here. Thanks for not using the snap-on tools in the hole.
Yes I have a class d license, one of my side jobs is for the small town of Mulhall as water/sewer operator, so this is just a duty done as needed. Some towns do their own meter sets and taps. I would not want to try and compete with all the bonds. Just wanted to show another side of what I do.
@@Digginok I am glad Mulhall is a friendlier place than Lancaster to the small business. People like to talk about how self employed people got it made. I think self employed means if you know how to do it and can make a dollar you can't say no! Thanks for doing nice clean work. I can see why they use your service! Digging around plastic pipe takes real finesse. I am glad you shared this video, many of your subscribers are learning just how versatile you really are. Much respect for your talents.
It’s hard to turn down work when it’s offered.
Around here they also put on a valve that has a 5 sided nut and they run a plastic pipe straight down to it. I might have seen these wrenches made out of heavy strap steel and tig welded together. The darkness was made for bad deeds but sometimes justice happens after the sun goes down.
@@Digginok I am glad you got the offer you did a nice job. Around here the work ethic is so poor that people complain about doing anything that takes a little talent or just diggin' in and getting sweaty and dirty. A 15 minute video of yours seems to pass in about 3 minutes. That must mean that you have entertaining, new and interesting content. Just keep stacking up the subscribers!
I'm sorry folks but i was brought up around underground construction. One where were the required locate marks for any utilites where he was digging which are required before you dig especially when diggiing for a main like that. Two if he had looked further down the road from where he was digging he would have seen the line was set back least 10ft back off the road cause the fire hydrant is set that far back, 3 no care the rest the people all ready on the line for the contaminate being put into the line by the tap. I am sorry this is sad to gross neglect for the safety the other customers on the line
What your describing are sub-contrator requirements on public or privately owned projects. I work in wholesale, good portion of our business come from municipalities. I'd bet this man is the "waterman" as we call it in our industry. He's the one who takes care of the local water system. They are fully licensed by their state and have 100% control of their systems. Of course permits are required for big construction through the state, but this is a regular tap within city limits. He did what men and women do at water departments all over the country.
Bingo
Are all local water pipes like that
No, some are ductile iron and some other materials.
thats a small water main, ours are minimum 24" to 36", and 3/4" thick wall, and a green pipe,you put the valve one side ways, how they going to get there shut off tool down the 10 foot stand pipe to shut the water service off once its back filled, its a curb stop valve, witch the city is responsible for up to that feed valve and the customer has to pay to get connected to it or do it them self,but you have to call the city to come turn of the water if you need to do repairs between the curb stop and your main shut off valve in the house before the meter, but i made up my own 10 foot long tool to reach down the stand pipe to turn water off or on for service, years ago at my mom and dads there use to only be a 6 inch water main and half the time we had very low water presser until they finally came 12 years later and up graded to a 36 in water main then we had all kinds but i moved out just after that
Our town of 300 people have from 8” to 2” main lines.
We also have a pinch off tool for the poly pipe, it can shut off the flow for as long as needed. Things are done differently in different places, don’t necessarily mean they are wrong.
@@Digginok well of cores not, as warmer place i see just have there water mains a few inches under ground were ares are 7 feet down to be sure they are out of the frost line, is that not black poly pipe i find pinching that off iy stays kinked
If these modern equipments are used in Nepal, installing pipes and repairing could be so fast and easy process.. sadly our drinking water uses old tools and they need 15 to 20 minutes just to cut a hole in the pipe... I was wondering why GI pipes aren’t used for service lines there.. aren’t they strong and durable!!??
We have PVC pipes in this system, works very well
PVC, no rust, no threads, easy to join, very light easy to carry, high pressure, bigger range of fittings, many colours ie waste water and drinking water and recycled water different colours.
Do not over tighten, that is a very specific torque spec. It sounds a lot like between a grunt and 1 1/2 grunts. I forgot all you can get and another 1/2 turn!
turn it till it cracks then back of half turn :P
after all the years youve done this you still havnt learned it would be better to dig a little more down and get a nice flat angle with your tap ..idk I've never done, just logic from the looks of it .
Not sure what difference it would make
@@Digginok maybe less pressure from upwards .like say a huge truck driving over that area..that compression from above, that type of force. thats all. just my thoughts.
Could be I guess
@@Digginok but probably not ..just safe then sorry .
Do what all contractors do mate cut the bloody thing
Were you doing this for your own home? Did you not need a meter? In the UK the water company usually joins you to the main with a curb-side meter once you lay (or a plumber) your own pipe in a trench.
Yes I work for the small town water company where this meter was done, I did not show the meter as it was on the other side of the street. The plumber ran a line from there. Was only showing the tap.
No genius here, but would the water line be in line with that hydrant over there????
Last I heard, our town charges upwards of $10k for a new construction tap in.
That’s pretty expensive!
Yep! Each month they need a new truck, new tires on last months new truck, new JCB lease, new 20" rims and tires on the old JCB trailer , a crew of 10 to give instructions on how they'd dig while ignoring the mile and a half long traffic jamb cause by all their 12 trucks with empty 40" trailers hitched upblocking the road, and an intern at the office who inadvertently scheduled you for the following year. And of course, when it freezes in four months time, the cycle will need to be repeated after the line freezes thanks to an enormous air pocket filled with water froze around you're new main connection.
Enjoy!
You were about to get wet. I usually get ahead of myself and catch stuff like that just as it comes apart
Good Afternoon Frank good job , just wondering do have a licence, because here in the UK you would not be allowed to connect onto the water main unless it was a private supply ???. Take Care my friend and catch you next time :).
Wayne Compton yes I have a class d water and sewer license. I am the operator for the small town where I did this. You a correct required over here Too thanks!!!
Do you charge more per hr when there’s a lot of hand digging involved? You are doing two jobs. operator/labor
It can get complicated, depends on the job. Sometimes I do charge more, on this job the backhoe and operator is hired to the town, I work for the town so that is part of my salary.
When you are self employed you have to take on more than one job a lot. It’s not always fun and it’s not for everyone.
Digginok it is a lot of work if you get payed right it sure helps make it worth it.
You are correct!
Free water!!
So the water department doesn't do this?
What brand of tapping equipment is that
AveragePro powerseal Vega
Is that a battery adapter for your dewalt drill?to 20volt ?oh yeah great video.
Yes it is, Amazon sells them I think. Thanks!
Not sure what the laws are in each city state county Etc
I know in New York state they don't allow you to do this
You have to pay to have the municipal water Department come out and put in a tap and a water shut-off curb stop access pipe so they can use a curb stop wrench to shut off the water if they need to
And to prevent damage to there lines
In the city where I used to live the water lines were over 100 years old and even being careful they would often break
During the winters we would have a dozen or more brakes just from the ground freezing and the lines were four feet down where the frost shouldn't have affected them but just that little bit of movement in the Earth cause them to break
I am the water sewer operator in this town where this was done, we don’t allow anyone to do this either. I was just showing how it was done. It doesn’t freeze that deep around here so we try to keep the mains 3 feet or deeper, service lines around 24”. I was installing a new service for a house, and I put in a new meter. Thanks for watching.
@@Digginok thanks for the update
@@ocsrc Probably not where you live since everything is unionized but lots of other larger cities contract this work out.
Most will contract but have an inspector on site when the tap is done. All cities handle this different it seems.
use a muller cast iron tapping machine its not easy
Best to not use a cast iron tap machine for PVC, you are right I have seen it done that way too.
there a part number for that tap?
OffroadTrucker740 nope
@@Digginok where do you find one? thats alot more simple than the contraption i use
OffroadTrucker740 I have looked all over it and it doesn’t have any markings that I can find. It was in the town shop when I went to work there. Reed builds one about as simple. It is easy to use but will only work on one size tap.
www.powerseal.com/Products I found it
Between him not having the right tools and not being able to hear what he is saying I would say he did okay
That kind of going to have to put a valve box in.
No valve box.
@digginok what is the name of that drill bit you used to drill that hole in the water main for the tap and how long is it
It is a tap tool, specifically made for this type of tap. Many companies make different types of tap machines for this type of work.
@@Digginok ok
I thought only hacks like me used shovels........I bet you could put that tap on with your backhoe.
Didn't want to confuse anyone😂
Tracer wire on the bottom side 🤣
Locates?!?!
Can you tell me what brand of tap tool that is?
I’ll have to check, it’s in the town shop.
@@Digginok that would be great I have not seen one like that and would like to get one for a project I have coming up!
I just looked at it , I can’t find any markings on it at all. It was here when I started, all I know is it works great on pvc.
Michael Kaiser www.powerseal.com/Products finally found it
It that a private line or public ? Because if it public ,where is the meter lol ,I wonder how many water company employees are stealing their own water with such a tap ,if you get caught messing with the public water system you can be charged with a felony charge and even worse if they want to be dicks about it ..
The meter is on the other side of the street. I doubt many would risk their jobs for a 50$ per month savings.
I am a licensed operator in this town.
Hi Frank. I've only ever witnessed hot taps on steel pipe when I worked in pipeline and refining. I don't now what types of "plugs" are used to stop flow on pvc but I'm curious why you went with the 45 degree position. I know its only 4" pipe so I assume that plug is small. Do you ever worry about someone tearing it off by going at an angle instead of doing the tap centered on top of the pipe? In theory I guess there may be more risk of hitting a plug if someone is digging directly over the spot unaware that its there. Or is there a requirement in your state to flag underground repairs so in the future a homeowner doesn't decide to let's say plant a tree in that spot? thank you for the video and I hope my questions makes sense.
Debbie * good question, the reason we don't go straight up is because of air pockets that form in the main, so we have to go at a 45 or 90, If we didn't it would cause a lot of grief for the customers, sometimes a 45 is not enough so we have to flush the mains to get the air out. They do get snagged, but we try to mark them on maps. It's pretty standard on water taps, it's pretty fun digging down to shut them off live, funner in the summer. On this job I was about 4 feet from an existing tap for another house, I had ditch tape on the bore sleeve that I ran through, and I had documented where the tap was from the sleeve. Any time I dig around a water main I look for the existing meters, usually the tap is on the same side of main as the tap and should be in line with it. So in theory you can dig pretty close to the main on opposite side from where the meter is.
Thanks for watching!
@@Digginok I am really only familiar with pressurized pipes with ethane/propane in them and air pockets never crossed my mind dealing with a water main. Thank you for answering!
No problem! Thanks for watching!!!!
You never cut a corporation stop on with pliers you’ve already damaged the brass when you cut the Corp stop back on..
Good advice! What should I use?
Digginok my advice would get away from those plug valve style Corp stops and go with a ball Corp stop they will hold much more pressure no packing nut on the bottom of the Corp stop to leak like you had to tighten up and much easier to cut on and off. But always use and adjustable wrench on the Corp stop
Steve Templin please explain why the pliers damaged the plug valve, as opposed to an adjustable wrench.
Digginok the pliers have teeth on them and scratched the brass the adjustable wreck has smooth jaws and want scratch the brass those scratches could cause a leak on the Corp stop. I’m glad your using a full circle tapping saddle on pvc mains.
how has he still got ten fingers
You could've at moved ur finger from over the sawzall just in case it kicks back.geeezzz
45 degree angle
muller sadles and corps are better
Nice
What brand/model is your tapping tool ?
Mason cantstopplumbing I have no idea, I have looked for a brand on it
www.powerseal.com/Products I found it
Nice to be able to do this in a trench that’s not at least 8 ft. deep,have
love hot tappen!!
Thanks
Is this water line for free now ? 😅🤣🤣🤣🤣
No, I installed a new meter as well for the new customer
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