Knowing one's subject is one thing and the ability to teach it is another. For such valuable information to have come from a two-minute video is an indication of your exceptional teaching skills. Kudos.
Thanks, that's a huge compliment because it's exactly what I'm trying to do with these videos, be helpful and as efficient as possible. Really appreciate the comment.
Wow, I got a Mackie Onyx 32-channel mixer and I was unaware I could use inserts instead of direct outs, so I could maintain all of the mixing with eqs, compressors, reverbs since the direct outs are pre fader instead of post fader. Thanks a million.
I think in most cases, certainly in the case of the Mackie in this video, the Inserts are coming directly off the preamps, no effects would be included. So that would be post-PreAmp and pre-EQ, compression, etc. In other cases, if you actually have Direct Outs and not just Inserts, sometimes those can be Post FX.
i am totally blown away with your straight forward connections, i would really like to know how i can bless you for being so kind in sharing so much information free. You have a very kind and big heart i am sure there are many more out there who thingsthe same way. God Bless
Ray, I think this video is the most "light bulb" video I've seen on using mixing consoles in quite some time. It never occurred to me to use the Inserts as a de facto channel output. Thanks!
yeh thanks just got a peak audio analogue mixer and intend to use it to monitor multitrack levels in daw as well as run multiple dj equipment, today i learned something new "one click insert" very nice. much appreciation for your insight. respect for the audio engineers keeping us dj's sounding good since... ever
Thank you very much for this explanation! you have saved my life. In the church, we are taking the first steps in streaming and RUclips transmissions and we need to separate the audio that is heard through the floor speakers and the audio that is transmitted through digital channels and I think that with this information we will achieve it.
Ray Ortaga - Thanks for the reply... I plugged my MOX8 L & R to chan 7/8 and that works fine and it freed up one of the chan's for something else...I prefer to leave certain things plugged in to keep from plugging and unplugging them. That's what I was looking for and now have more inputs.. While looking for this answer, I also learned about the INSERT / ONE CLICK AUDIO OUT METHOD. Man, do I have a lot to learn but it's a lot more fun than being nowhere! Thanks again Ray....
Good info, not many mention what you can di with these connections, that's how i route my inputs to the audio interface , i use the analog mixer for routing signals to headphones/monitors etc
This is extremely helpful to me. Thank you. Quick question for the community: I will be making six patch cords myself for this purpose. Can I make the end that goes into the insert jack TRS and then the other end of that cable standard TS? I would just not solder one of the connections on the TRS cable end. Background: I am using a XR 12 Behringer and a Behringer rackmount analog mixer. I’m doing it this way for two reasons. First, I suddenly need four more mic inputs. Second, if I have any trouble with the whole Wi-Fi tablet-controlled thing, I can get through a gig with just the rack-mount analog mixer.
Thanks, John. I don't make my own cables (yet) so I don't know the answer but hopefully someone who does will see this. Curious how your setup will work. Are you using the mixer to feed the four extra channels into the x12 and then the x12 is going out to computer?
Thanks. Generally I would say no, the inserts are acting as direct outputs in this case. If you had direct outputs those would obviously be better but if you don't have either then you're not going to get separated channels with a USB based mixer that supports them or in the case of a stereo only mixer, you can get two separate channels but only two, using this method ruclips.net/video/Q85QX2rMiL0/видео.html
I watched a first video on inserts and got discouraged because my mixer doesn't hve a usb connection so I wanted to find a way of recording the live band but then I came across this guy and he has the information the first guy didn't hve "one click" that is a huge difference and now I can record my church band till we buy a digital mixer
This is just what I needed. I stumbled upon this looking for using a cable return from a Sound Design 688 to Blackmagic Design Ursa Mini. Excellent and cost savings advice.
Hey, thanks for your video - I'm 5 years late, but the information is golden, and becoming more rare day by day. Thanks. One Click Method, I'll have to remember that. I have an absolutely beautify and unknown 16 ch analog mixer which I bought for a smidge over 25 usd. It is the South Korean, Woosun Focus FC-1602 Professional Mixing Console. I bought it, just to make some noise and explore No-Input Mixing. (The 1/4" or 6.35mm Jack is TRS with the Tip being the carrier.) Does this mean I'll need a specially wired patch cable? If so, how would I wire it? Also, what is the absolutely cheapest, doesn't have to be current, multi-input analog to USB-In interface you'd recommend? I'm looking for a viable interface that will preserve multiple track input into my DAW from this mixer, and your video is the closest I've come to that topic, period. Cheers.
Instead of plugging the cables into a digital recorder, can one use an audio interface, and then connect the audio interface to a computer to create multiple tracks in a DAW?
Yes you could do that if the audio interface has multiple inputs, however, if you have a multichannel audio interface already, you can just go into that and don't need the mixer unless the mixer has something special on it that you want to use. So yes, either way would work.
My mixer (PMP500 Behringer) only has 2 TRS outputs: Output A (main left/monitor) and Output B (main right/mono). How can I connect two main passive Speakers + 1 monitor speaker?
Looks like on that mixer you have a Monitor send as well as an FX send, you could use either of those but you'd probably use the Monitor send for the monitor.
I’m using Yamaha mg10xu, it has usb but no insert channels. How do I record multitrack with that? I tried the left right panning trick in your other video and it worked perfectly but I want to record more channels at a go. Thanks for your help.
With a stereo mixer you can't get any more than 2 channels out, you'd have to upgrade to a true multichannel mixer like this one ruclips.net/video/ZVTwQXND4rw/видео.html
The Insert channel is after the preamp, at least on my mixer, so the preamp will affect the level and then obviously you wouldn't need a preamp on the other end if you didn't have one.
Hi, Ray. How does this technique affect the sound of the signal? If you use this metod you can keep going with a regular podcast session? I have a Allen & Heath Zed 14, can i use this metod? Thanks a lot
Won't affect the sound of the signal, it's a direct path so it will just be the audio from the preamp. The ZED14 also has aux sends which you could also use in this same way but you can plug the cable in all the way.
The insert channel is a direct output so it only passes the preamp and nothing else. What you should look into is a true multichannel mixer but even in those cases, many just send the preamp.
@@RayOrtega This case i have to choose a multitrack usb mixer. Tascam Model 24 and Zoom Livetrak can be the winner. Hope they are pre/post fx via interface outputs.
@@Keyaar1978 This one I reviewed is a great value for the money podhelp.me/ZEDi10BH (affiliate) but I think the multitrack to the computer is without FX, I might have mentioned it ruclips.net/video/ZVTwQXND4rw/видео.html I reviewed the L12 as well and I think the FX might go to the mix on the built in SD card but pass the multichannel to computer without fx ruclips.net/video/gbvtGJiRbTw/видео.html, I don't recall if they fx go to the multichannel on the sd card but I also may have mentioned it lol. The Rodecaster is really awesome and you can choose to send the fx to the computer or sd card and you can send to one and not the other so you always have a clean copy podhelp.me/rodecasterBH but definitely dig deeper into each device, check their manuals to make sure they do what you want.
Hey Ray, great video! After reading comments below, I understand that this method for these types of mixers are only for pre EQ. Would you have any suggestions, or if you knew any new usb mixers that send multi input and have the function to send post fade/EQ along with it? I was looking at the Behringer UFX1204 and it has a send pre/post button on each channel. Would this be something I was looking for?
In the 90s I did the same, but made special cables that were 1 stereo in + 2 mono out. The old effects-return-cables.... As long as you marked the one jack output and left the other jack blank, you could send one to a recorder. Worked like a charm. But yeah ... two clicks :-)
most inserts on smaller usb mixers are pre-everything aside from the preamp and hi pass filter. I remember when I got my first usb mixer I was so disappointed it didn’t have individual tracks for each channel. Ive had mackie profx, then I went to a zoom r16 and now have a behringer xr18. If you are using something like this and need advise, try and use analog preamps when you can so you don’t have to crank gain out of cheaper digital preamps!
I like that workaround for the recording situation, but I am wondering, if I can use this hack also, to provide another aux send signal for an additional stage monitor. If I got you right, this only will work, if I send all outgoing "1-click-signals" separated into another mixer's inputs for being able to adjust every channels volume before finally sending them out to the additional stage monitor. Is that possible?
That sounds right for two reasons. One, like you say, you'll need to mix these individual signals because they will be coming direct off the board from the preamp only and two, you'll have a bunch of cables that will need to be summed into another device. I don't see a lot of reasons to use it but just wanted people to know it's a thing that can be done ;)
Using the pan method in your other previous video will allow you allow to still use the insert channel to run to some analog gear (EQ, comp, gate, etc...). If you use the method in this video is there a way to cheat an extra channel into outboard gear if you run through the aux send and return? To clarify, three mics to three channels in the mixer each going to a separate piece outboard gear through the mixer then out to three separate channels to the audio interface.
With only one click does it affect the audio quality at all? Does it degrade the signal or lessen it or in any way affect the audio? I'm looking to use an analog mixer to go to an interface to use with my DAW for recording. Would I comprising or losing any quality inn this set up with the one click? Or will it sound completely normal?
The connection is not as secure/solid but I don't notice a degradation in the audio. Of course this could depend on your cable but you should get the same results in terms of quality.
@@RayOrtega if you read the radial engineering j48 manual. They talk about loading. If you split a signal the signal gets weaker and changes the sound in passive Di-boxes. Is this also the case if you split an electrical point into 2 destinations? Would be nice to have an electrical engineer check this one out. I used a y cable from the insert to a decent Di-box and this works to. Dependent on which Di box you use you get a better signal.
Damn Ray, your videos are always so clean, watching you handle mixers is like looking at cable porn. You helped me with a Mix - Minus setup on my Behringer 1204USB, and it’s been fantastic, however I’m now down-sizing to a smaller mixer and losing the studio mic I have (Rode NT1) and I don’t need any Aux Send or Returns anymore, decided to go with a Mackie Mix5 since I only need 2 stereo inputs without EQ so I can listen to my 2 PCs at the same time and I’m now using a wireless headset which doesn’t require input to the mixer for the mic, it’s straight USB from the base station to 1 PC. I will miss the quality of my NT1 but I’m only gaming without streaming so headset mic is fine, and switching between sitting at PC and walking around a room-scale VR setup is where a wireless headset will be so convenient. But thanks to you I’ve had the best audio experiences thus far! :)
Thank you for this video! Hobbiest here and looking for some answers you could help with. I am looking to get a Scarlett interface to hook to my MacBook and record in GarageBand. I have a Behringer PMP6000. Are the I/O channels on the PMP 6000 the same as “insert” in your video? Could I use this trick to have mixing capabilities? Thank you in advance! I have enjoyed your videos!
Thank you Ray! Just to confirm: If I use 8 inserts from my mixer into 8 inputs of my audio interface, can I record 8 separate audio tracks in my DAW? Or will I just be able to go main outs of mixer into the 1 and 2 on interface?
if you have at first a balanced signal into the mixer then you have a unbalanced one into the interface because of the unbalanced jack... does it influence your recording quality or not?
Hello, Ray! We just started using multitracks at church. I play the piano and I was wondering if you could help me telling me how to connect my digital piano to the analog mixer and to hear the multitracks and the rest of the team on one side and myself on the other side. Is it possible? We use an analog mixer: MG16XU Yamaha To monitor ourselves we use the: Takstar Wpm-200 Uhf We count with a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 but we are not using it, please let me know if we can do something with it. We use direct connections from the instruments to the mixer with the same cables that you showed on the video. Except for the guitars, they have a Behringer Ultra - DI DI20 for both acoustic guitars. Our instruments are: 2 Acoustic Guitars 1 Digital Piano Drums 2 Microphones for the vocalists We all hear the same mix, which can be overwhelming and makes it hard for us to concentrate while playing. Well, please if you can help me, that would be great. And btw, we use an iPad with Playback that connects directly to the mixer.
Hi, Nan, you're only real option in your setup is probably to pan the channels you want to hear on one side to that side and then yourself to the other. Essentially if you want multitrack, you need a multitrack mixer/interface and then coming out of that you need either individual headphone outputs that are on the mixer or your own headphone mixer which lets you control the individual tracks coming in so that you can make all the instruments and mics at the exact volume you want to hear in your ears. This is what we do in my own band but of course it's not a cheap setup. This video I did is for a digital mixer that has a few headphone outputs that allow you the same kind of control over the individual channels. ruclips.net/video/gbvtGJiRbTw/видео.html
Hi Ray , question (coincidentally I have both ) a behringer xenyx2222 usb and a Zoom L12) I’m trying to eq a drum kit pre production with the Behringer because the zoom won’t send eq out of the usb , do you think this concept will work? eq drums thru mixer using inserts into zoom as interface to Daw Thanks Paul 🙏🤔
I've been searching for a mixer with direct out and found Mackie 1642VLZ4, but wanted eventually something smaller than 16 channels - It's hard to find, or I search in wrong places. 1:02 but here you say that INSERT can work like a direct out with TS cable? So I can buy any mixer at my convenience (with INSERT on all channels) and have direct outs? Thanks in advance for your advice. Great tips here in this video, learning a lot from you.
Good question, I have't dove into making my own cables so I'm not knowledgable about the wiring. Worth looking into deeper with some creators here making their own cables. Let me know if you find out! Thanks for watching.
Hi there, love your channel. I am new to mixers but I'm using the fx aux to do a mix minus so I get my mic and a Skype caller into my Zoom H6. I separate the them into 2 tracks using the pan as you described, but I get bleed over or something causing my mic voice sound to be heard in the media other track that is panned to the other speaker supposedly. It's ok for now because after minor post editing the two tracks get mixed back together to be used with the video of the podcast with caller. But one day I may want complete separation out of my mixer and I don't want to have noise reduce to such a great degree because I'm hearing mic on the media track. I'm using the Behringer 1202fx.. is that likely just the norm for that mixer? And is there a cheap fix for this I wonder? Thanks! Stan
Hi, Stan, thanks for following my channel! The bleed over from each channel onto the other is likely just the quality of the mixer. I think this can be an issue with cheaper mixers but definitely something you might want to look into deeper when you decide to upgrade. That said, you'd probably be better off just getting into a truly multichannel option so you don't need to use the pans and can have more tracks separated if needed. That's the upgrade I'd look at. Or it it's even possible the use the H6 in a mix-minus setup because you select which channels come out of the line out and therefore you can input the channels you need to the H6 and not have the caller's audio go back to them. Another option would be to look at using a service like Zencastr.com which will allow you to record yourself and remote guests separately and the audio is better than Skype because it's recorded locally on the other person's computer.
I've just noticed it is even written on the back of the Behringer Xenyx X2222USB. It states "PRE-FADER/PRE-EQ TIP = SEND RING = RETURN". So I assume if you have, for example, a Behringer UMC1820 Audio Interface like I do this method would fit the bill to produce a full featured analogue/digital mixing solution with 8 analogue inputs and outputs for each module. Ray, even though it is written in black and white on the unit itself, features such as these would not be apparent without you sharing your knowledge in a searchable format. Thank you very much for doing this. Kind regards.
Your amazing Ray! So taking each channel by this method and running into interface, gives me multi channel recording in daw! you can add eq, effects etc in your daw!!!
I have a question about how to use Mixer for multiple tracks recorded in Reaper DAW. I recorded many Indian-styled songs and uploaded them on RUclips but never use Mixer because I record my song with many many tracks for different instruments. For many many tracks, how do I use a mixer for e.g. 100 tracks means what size mixer do I need? I am very confused. Please guide me. Thanks.
I currently own a Mackie 1402VLZ board.Because my some output channels seem to have connection sound issues,im thinking of getting another board because repairs may be close to a smaller new board.The digital sounds like a good choice.I am looking for a unit that would allow a few audio outputs.I have 3 sets of speakers i like to use & am looking to see if a unit is made for that.I would only need 4 or 6 inputs.Any ideas ?.
Hello Ray thanks for your videos. Could you recommend a mixer for my purposes: octophonic speaker setup + subs? Music will be spatialised sometimes through software in Ableton, other times through diffusion. Thank you
I've heard of special jack cable for achieving the one click method without having your connector sticking out of your gear halfway. Does anyone know where to buy them?
@@ggkan9169 Aux outs on my mixer will carry the EQ if that is what you're asking. This could change based on the mixer that is being used but in my case, changes to the EQ will be heard via the Aux outs.
I have an mg12xu Yamaha mixer. Do I still have to get another type of equipment to obtain a multichannel recording? I was able to record with xlr to Studio One DAW but when I try using 2 mics I get that issue where both tracks activate. The Yamaha site only provides one driver and it's asio4all. I'm not exactly sure how to use that driver so, I'm using an mgxu yamaha driver from an external site but works per channel. Any suggestions?
I reviewed and like both of these options ZED i10 multitrack mixer: podhelp.me/ZEDi10BH ruclips.net/video/ZVTwQXND4rw/видео.html and Zoom L-12 multitrack mixer & recorder: podhelp.me/zoomL12BH ruclips.net/video/gbvtGJiRbTw/видео.html there's also a newer series by Soundcraft that looks interesting for its price amzn.to/2CK2w9l (affiliate links)
Hi! Thanks for this very usefull information. just one question though, if I do the one click method, will I get signals on both the mixer main output and to the audio interface?, We are recording our church worship service live, but I want to record in in individual tracks. Thank you and God bless you!
Are there special cables that allow you to push the 1/4 all the way in the insert so it will not be a short and work like all channels because at times the channel does get cancelled by putting it half way and I don't have time to check the tracks to see if they are working.
It's a good question and I'm not sure but my guess is that way is occurring, what is making this possible is the jack itself more than it is the cable.
Hi Ray thanks for the information on inserts. I would like to connect an eight track Fostex D-80 to my Behringer RX1202fx mixer. From your video I'm guessing I can connect the 8 output channels from the Fostex to the line in sockets 1 to 8 on the mixer, then take standard 1/4 inch jacks {plugged into first click} back to the 8 input channels on the Fostex. I'll feed the Left and right main out to a stereo amp with a master recorder connected, another Fostex, a D-15. Assuming this is ok, could I split the line in between the D-80 and, say a keyboard using a patch bay? That way I could record different instruments on each of the eight channels.
Hi Ray, Thanks for video. Kindly ask if you can help me with my mixer question; I connect my Mic and Guitar through two separate input and now through the output lines, I want to hear my Mic by my Studio monitors and hear my Guitar through my Guitar amp separately. Question is, how I can assign a separate output channels for individual inputs(If that is possible)? thank you.
Would I be able to use this method with a TRS cable instead of TS? And if I can use TRS cable, the end going into the audio interface, do I have to do the one click method or can I just plug it all the way in on the interface?
Hi sir ... I tried this insert output to zoom... it's working...but sound is jarring (harsh sound)..... Any solution sir.... Others can also guide me... I am doing this for live streaming mixing seperately and church mixing seperately
I love this video man! Had no idea about it and I’ve been using mixers for over 20 years... THANKS! Now a little question: would the EQ etc be recorded as well or will this method bypass the mixers EQ? THANKS!
This is a good idea, I searched for. I have a Behringer RX1202FX. Does this behave the same way and is it a save contact while recording (having some vibrations)? I have the F8 as well :-)
thank you Ray for this valuable info and trick ;) however a quick question, do i need to have a external recorder for this? Can i have multiple 1/4 inch cables on "one click setup" going from mixer to a guitar, drum pad and keyboards and record everything on the software as individual channel? Hope my question makes sense :)
hello ray thanks for your video i have afew questions about mixer xb14 Allen and heath mixer When I put my microphone in first line signal is good but when I add second microphone in second line I don't have any signal related to the second microphone When I put headphone and music played from My labtop I can not hear any sound from My headphone that is connected to the mixer I do appreciated if you help me in these regards
I have a Zoom TAC-8 which is an eight channel Thunderbolt audio interface that I want to use with a Behringer QX2442 mixer. I want to take 4 direct outs and 4 sub outs from the mixer into the Zoom Thunderbolt interface. The problem which might not be that important, is that the outs on the Behringer has unbalanced outputs for both the Subs and Direct Outs. I am afraid that I might damage the equipment or have some noise problems. Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer. Gary
So what I’ve noticed, my Apple MacBook Pro only has two usb.2 connections and I need it to read more devices than that! I’m not sure what to do other than buy a mini Mac
Are you referring to USB-C inputs? If so, you can buy an extension to give you more ports, something like this but they are a dime a dozen so shop for the one that gives you what you need amzn.to/3xNylfO
Knowing one's subject is one thing and the ability to teach it is another. For such valuable information to have come from a two-minute video is an indication of your exceptional teaching skills. Kudos.
Thanks, that's a huge compliment because it's exactly what I'm trying to do with these videos, be helpful and as efficient as possible. Really appreciate the comment.
Wow, I got a Mackie Onyx 32-channel mixer and I was unaware I could use inserts instead of direct outs, so I could maintain all of the mixing with eqs, compressors, reverbs since the direct outs are pre fader instead of post fader. Thanks a million.
I think in most cases, certainly in the case of the Mackie in this video, the Inserts are coming directly off the preamps, no effects would be included. So that would be post-PreAmp and pre-EQ, compression, etc. In other cases, if you actually have Direct Outs and not just Inserts, sometimes those can be Post FX.
@@RayOrtega Oh no! 😢 I'm doomed
i am totally blown away with your straight forward connections, i would really like to know how i can bless you for being so kind in sharing so much information free. You have a very kind and big heart i am sure there are many more out there who thingsthe same way. God Bless
Thanks you are very kind, your nice compliments and viewership is plenty. Stay well.
Best explanation about the Insert jack.
Thanks! It does more, but that'd be a different video;)
Ray, I think this video is the most "light bulb" video I've seen on using mixing consoles in quite some time. It never occurred to me to use the Inserts as a de facto channel output. Thanks!
Amazing, thanks, Shawn!
yeh thanks just got a peak audio analogue mixer and intend to use it to monitor multitrack levels in daw as well as run multiple dj equipment, today i learned something new "one click insert" very nice. much appreciation for your insight. respect for the audio engineers keeping us dj's sounding good since... ever
Thank you very much for this explanation! you have saved my life. In the church, we are taking the first steps in streaming and RUclips transmissions and we need to separate the audio that is heard through the floor speakers and the audio that is transmitted through digital channels and I think that with this information we will achieve it.
Ray Ortaga - Thanks for the reply... I plugged my MOX8 L & R to chan 7/8 and that works fine and it freed up one of the chan's for something else...I prefer to leave certain things plugged in to keep from plugging and unplugging them. That's what I was looking for and now have more inputs.. While looking for this answer, I also learned about the INSERT / ONE CLICK AUDIO OUT METHOD. Man, do I have a lot to learn but it's a lot more fun than being nowhere! Thanks again Ray....
Initially I recorded multi track recordings using direct out, but not all analog mixers have them, and this is the solution 👍
Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@RayOrtega I just tried it, and it works👍 and I will make it myself 👍 Thank you very much
Thanks Ray! Great solution to our live band set up where all the Aux channels are sent to foldback, but we need to record vocals.
Awesome, hope it works for you, thanks for commenting, Gavi!
Good info, not many mention what you can di with these connections, that's how i route my inputs to the audio interface , i use the analog mixer for routing signals to headphones/monitors etc
Thanks.
This is extremely helpful to me. Thank you. Quick question for the community: I will be making six patch cords myself for this purpose. Can I make the end that goes into the insert jack TRS and then the other end of that cable standard TS? I would just not solder one of the connections on the TRS cable end. Background: I am using a XR 12 Behringer and a Behringer rackmount analog mixer. I’m doing it this way for two reasons. First, I suddenly need four more mic inputs. Second, if I have any trouble with the whole Wi-Fi tablet-controlled thing, I can get through a gig with just the rack-mount analog mixer.
Thanks, John. I don't make my own cables (yet) so I don't know the answer but hopefully someone who does will see this.
Curious how your setup will work. Are you using the mixer to feed the four extra channels into the x12 and then the x12 is going out to computer?
Thank u so much for this vid.. But can we still do this with a mixer that doesn't have inserts?
Thanks. Generally I would say no, the inserts are acting as direct outputs in this case. If you had direct outputs those would obviously be better but if you don't have either then you're not going to get separated channels with a USB based mixer that supports them or in the case of a stereo only mixer, you can get two separate channels but only two, using this method ruclips.net/video/Q85QX2rMiL0/видео.html
I watched a first video on inserts and got discouraged because my mixer doesn't hve a usb connection so I wanted to find a way of recording the live band but then I came across this guy and he has the information the first guy didn't hve "one click" that is a huge difference and now I can record my church band till we buy a digital mixer
That's great news William! Thanks for the feedback and for sharing!
Brother, you light my hope!
I plan to get a Ross Systems mixing console and connect it to a computer. Next stage now is to find an interface.
This is just what I needed. I stumbled upon this looking for using a cable return from a Sound Design 688 to Blackmagic Design Ursa Mini. Excellent and cost savings advice.
Cool, thanks, Clifford, that's some good gear!;)
Thank you for your great knowledge. I have a question, does this method allow for adjustments to the fader and EQ on the channel?
this video is gold
Thanks, Ralph!
Hey, thanks for your video - I'm 5 years late, but the information is golden, and becoming more rare day by day. Thanks. One Click Method, I'll have to remember that. I have an absolutely beautify and unknown 16 ch analog mixer which I bought for a smidge over 25 usd. It is the South Korean, Woosun Focus FC-1602 Professional Mixing Console. I bought it, just to make some noise and explore No-Input Mixing. (The 1/4" or 6.35mm Jack is TRS with the Tip being the carrier.) Does this mean I'll need a specially wired patch cable? If so, how would I wire it? Also, what is the absolutely cheapest, doesn't have to be current, multi-input analog to USB-In interface you'd recommend? I'm looking for a viable interface that will preserve multiple track input into my DAW from this mixer, and your video is the closest I've come to that topic, period. Cheers.
Ray with the gold as always
Thanks!
Cool! I didn't know about the "one click" trick! That's super helpful!
Great video mate, this trick applies to any mixer that has inserts, like soundcraft epm?
Instead of plugging the cables into a digital recorder, can one use an audio interface, and then connect the audio interface to a computer to create multiple tracks in a DAW?
Yes you could do that if the audio interface has multiple inputs, however, if you have a multichannel audio interface already, you can just go into that and don't need the mixer unless the mixer has something special on it that you want to use. So yes, either way would work.
My mixer (PMP500 Behringer) only has 2 TRS outputs: Output A (main left/monitor) and Output B (main right/mono). How can I connect two main passive Speakers + 1 monitor speaker?
Looks like on that mixer you have a Monitor send as well as an FX send, you could use either of those but you'd probably use the Monitor send for the monitor.
I’m using Yamaha mg10xu, it has usb but no insert channels. How do I record multitrack with that? I tried the left right panning trick in your other video and it worked perfectly but I want to record more channels at a go. Thanks for your help.
With a stereo mixer you can't get any more than 2 channels out, you'd have to upgrade to a true multichannel mixer like this one ruclips.net/video/ZVTwQXND4rw/видео.html
Ray Ortega ok thank you 🙏🏾
This is what I needed to see & hear. Thanks
Do such a signal need a preamp or can be directly inserted into the sound card's passive input section?
The Insert channel is after the preamp, at least on my mixer, so the preamp will affect the level and then obviously you wouldn't need a preamp on the other end if you didn't have one.
@@RayOrtega thank you very much!!!
Hi, Ray. How does this technique affect the sound of the signal? If you use this metod you can keep going with a regular podcast session? I have a Allen & Heath Zed 14, can i use this metod? Thanks a lot
Won't affect the sound of the signal, it's a direct path so it will just be the audio from the preamp. The ZED14 also has aux sends which you could also use in this same way but you can plug the cable in all the way.
This is cool. I appreciate you sharing this tip, Ray. Thanks!
Thanks, Jason.
You can use stereo trs cables as well it works
is this the same as when the TRS tip and ring cable is shorted and the other end of the cable is TS?
Unfortunately I don't know but if you find out, make sure to comment back, thanks!
Thanks for the video Ray. I want to buy the same Mackie mixer. What about the FX & EQ. Are the going out on insert channels?
The insert channel is a direct output so it only passes the preamp and nothing else. What you should look into is a true multichannel mixer but even in those cases, many just send the preamp.
@@RayOrtega This case i have to choose a multitrack usb mixer. Tascam Model 24 and Zoom Livetrak can be the winner. Hope they are pre/post fx via interface outputs.
@@Keyaar1978 This one I reviewed is a great value for the money podhelp.me/ZEDi10BH (affiliate) but I think the multitrack to the computer is without FX, I might have mentioned it ruclips.net/video/ZVTwQXND4rw/видео.html I reviewed the L12 as well and I think the FX might go to the mix on the built in SD card but pass the multichannel to computer without fx ruclips.net/video/gbvtGJiRbTw/видео.html, I don't recall if they fx go to the multichannel on the sd card but I also may have mentioned it lol. The Rodecaster is really awesome and you can choose to send the fx to the computer or sd card and you can send to one and not the other so you always have a clean copy podhelp.me/rodecasterBH but definitely dig deeper into each device, check their manuals to make sure they do what you want.
Hey Ray, great video! After reading comments below, I understand that this method for these types of mixers are only for pre EQ.
Would you have any suggestions, or if you knew any new usb mixers that send multi input and have the function to send post fade/EQ along with it? I was looking at the Behringer UFX1204 and it has a send pre/post button on each channel. Would this be something I was looking for?
Omg i had no idea!!! Thank you so much. Wow. This solves one of my headaches in signal flow
Im in love with this information, thanks you made my life easier
In the 90s I did the same, but made special cables that were
1 stereo in + 2 mono out. The old effects-return-cables....
As long as you marked the one jack output and left the other jack blank,
you could send one to a recorder.
Worked like a charm. But yeah ... two clicks :-)
Is this work?
If the TS cable for return is not plugged in will it mute?
Mind. blown.
😉
Fantastic!! BUT, Q: using this method, will the effects (compressor) be added to outbound signal?
most inserts on smaller usb mixers are pre-everything aside from the preamp and hi pass filter. I remember when I got my first usb mixer I was so disappointed it didn’t have individual tracks for each channel.
Ive had mackie profx, then I went to a zoom r16 and now have a behringer xr18.
If you are using something like this and need advise, try and use analog preamps when you can so you don’t have to crank gain out of cheaper digital preamps!
So does the eq stil work?? Guess not because you take the signal before the eq right?
No your instinct is correct, since it leaves the mixer before the EQ, no EQ included.
Oh my god... this helped me SO MUCH MAN! Thank you very much for posting.
I like that workaround for the recording situation, but I am wondering, if I can use this hack also, to provide another aux send signal for an additional stage monitor. If I got you right, this only will work, if I send all outgoing "1-click-signals" separated into another mixer's inputs for being able to adjust every channels volume before finally sending them out to the additional stage monitor. Is that possible?
That sounds right for two reasons. One, like you say, you'll need to mix these individual signals because they will be coming direct off the board from the preamp only and two, you'll have a bunch of cables that will need to be summed into another device. I don't see a lot of reasons to use it but just wanted people to know it's a thing that can be done ;)
Great info this is what im searching for a long time
Thanks, Ivan, glad this helped!
Using the pan method in your other previous video will allow you allow to still use the insert channel to run to some analog gear (EQ, comp, gate, etc...). If you use the method in this video is there a way to cheat an extra channel into outboard gear if you run through the aux send and return? To clarify, three mics to three channels in the mixer each going to a separate piece outboard gear through the mixer then out to three separate channels to the audio interface.
Yeah you should be able to add in an aux channel if you have, ex: mic 3 is sent to aux so the aux send only sends mic 3.
Can I take those outputs to another mixer and then to an audio interface to have a separate mix for live streaming?
Seems like you could. I mean they would just be acting as line outputs so it should work as an input to another mix as well.
I have a 7 channel mixer, amplifiers for each instrument, komplete audio 6 interface. What is the best setup for recording? Thanks
My has inserts
Hey amazing! That insert channel out will be post or pre fader?
If I right I think it will be pre fader, so you cant approach the eq and post fader.
@@monkeyflava1436 Bummer.
Ooo so cool, I always felt that click in the jack but now I know its a One Click. 🙂
Thanks for watching
Thanks for sharing your expertise.
With only one click does it affect the audio quality at all? Does it degrade the signal or lessen it or in any way affect the audio? I'm looking to use an analog mixer to go to an interface to use with my DAW for recording. Would I comprising or losing any quality inn this set up with the one click? Or will it sound completely normal?
The connection is not as secure/solid but I don't notice a degradation in the audio. Of course this could depend on your cable but you should get the same results in terms of quality.
@@RayOrtega if you read the radial engineering j48 manual. They talk about loading. If you split a signal the signal gets weaker and changes the sound in passive Di-boxes. Is this also the case if you split an electrical point into 2 destinations?
Would be nice to have an electrical engineer check this one out.
I used a y cable from the insert to a decent Di-box and this works to. Dependent on which Di box you use you get a better signal.
@@karlderdelinckx thanks for sharing!
Damn Ray, your videos are always so clean, watching you handle mixers is like looking at cable porn. You helped me with a Mix - Minus setup on my Behringer 1204USB, and it’s been fantastic, however I’m now down-sizing to a smaller mixer and losing the studio mic I have (Rode NT1) and I don’t need any Aux Send or Returns anymore, decided to go with a Mackie Mix5 since I only need 2 stereo inputs without EQ so I can listen to my 2 PCs at the same time and I’m now using a wireless headset which doesn’t require input to the mixer for the mic, it’s straight USB from the base station to 1 PC. I will miss the quality of my NT1 but I’m only gaming without streaming so headset mic is fine, and switching between sitting at PC and walking around a room-scale VR setup is where a wireless headset will be so convenient. But thanks to you I’ve had the best audio experiences thus far! :)
Wow, thanks! Appreciate the compliments and glad you like how I handle a cable;) And thanks for the update. A whole room for VR, pretty sweet. Enjoy!
Hi Ray! I've run to a problem :(
My mixer's insert is a one click in and two clicks out. Is it possible to short the cable?
This video is worth gold every second. THANK YOU !!
Thanks, Gustavo!
Thank you for this video! Hobbiest here and looking for some answers you could help with. I am looking to get a Scarlett interface to hook to my MacBook and record in GarageBand. I have a Behringer PMP6000. Are the I/O channels on the PMP 6000 the same as “insert” in your video? Could I use this trick to have mixing capabilities? Thank you in advance! I have enjoyed your videos!
Thank you Ray! Just to confirm: If I use 8 inserts from my mixer into 8 inputs of my audio interface, can I record 8 separate audio tracks in my DAW? Or will I just be able to go main outs of mixer into the 1 and 2 on interface?
Good point / question. I was wondering the same thing and see what happens. Have you tried ??
I think it’ll work.
if you have at first a balanced signal into the mixer then you have a unbalanced one into the interface because of the unbalanced jack... does it influence your recording quality or not?
Hello, Ray! We just started using multitracks at church. I play the piano and I was wondering if you could help me telling me how to connect my digital piano to the analog mixer and to hear the multitracks and the rest of the team on one side and myself on the other side. Is it possible?
We use an analog mixer: MG16XU Yamaha
To monitor ourselves we use the: Takstar Wpm-200 Uhf
We count with a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 but we are not using it, please let me know if we can do something with it.
We use direct connections from the instruments to the mixer with the same cables that you showed on the video. Except for the guitars, they have a Behringer Ultra - DI DI20 for both acoustic guitars.
Our instruments are:
2 Acoustic Guitars
1 Digital Piano
Drums
2 Microphones for the vocalists
We all hear the same mix, which can be overwhelming and makes it hard for us to concentrate while playing.
Well, please if you can help me, that would be great.
And btw, we use an iPad with Playback that connects directly to the mixer.
Hi, Nan, you're only real option in your setup is probably to pan the channels you want to hear on one side to that side and then yourself to the other. Essentially if you want multitrack, you need a multitrack mixer/interface and then coming out of that you need either individual headphone outputs that are on the mixer or your own headphone mixer which lets you control the individual tracks coming in so that you can make all the instruments and mics at the exact volume you want to hear in your ears. This is what we do in my own band but of course it's not a cheap setup. This video I did is for a digital mixer that has a few headphone outputs that allow you the same kind of control over the individual channels. ruclips.net/video/gbvtGJiRbTw/видео.html
Hi Ray , question (coincidentally I have both ) a behringer xenyx2222 usb and a Zoom L12) I’m trying to eq a drum kit pre production with the Behringer because the zoom won’t send eq out of the usb , do you think this concept will work? eq drums thru mixer using inserts into zoom as interface to Daw
Thanks Paul 🙏🤔
I've been searching for a mixer with direct out and found Mackie 1642VLZ4, but wanted eventually something smaller than 16 channels - It's hard to find, or I search in wrong places. 1:02 but here you say that INSERT can work like a direct out with TS cable? So I can buy any mixer at my convenience (with INSERT on all channels) and have direct outs? Thanks in advance for your advice. Great tips here in this video, learning a lot from you.
Wow nice video. Very high quality. What camera are you using?
Thank you for this brilliant information Sir♥️♥️♥️
is there a way to jump solder the insert jack to plug the jack all way in?
Good question, I have't dove into making my own cables so I'm not knowledgable about the wiring. Worth looking into deeper with some creators here making their own cables. Let me know if you find out! Thanks for watching.
Great. Tahnk you.
What about using Y XLR?
Do you know if that's working too?
Great info as always. Thanks, Ray! Just one question, though: What is the name of the recorder you were holding?
Thx, it’s the Zoom F8: podhelp.me/ZoomF8Zon
Hi there, love your channel. I am new to mixers but I'm using the fx aux to do a mix minus so I get my mic and a Skype caller into my Zoom H6. I separate the them into 2 tracks using the pan as you described, but I get bleed over or something causing my mic voice sound to be heard in the media other track that is panned to the other speaker supposedly. It's ok for now because after minor post editing the two tracks get mixed back together to be used with the video of the podcast with caller. But one day I may want complete separation out of my mixer and I don't want to have noise reduce to such a great degree because I'm hearing mic on the media track. I'm using the Behringer 1202fx.. is that likely just the norm for that mixer? And is there a cheap fix for this I wonder? Thanks! Stan
Hi, Stan, thanks for following my channel! The bleed over from each channel onto the other is likely just the quality of the mixer. I think this can be an issue with cheaper mixers but definitely something you might want to look into deeper when you decide to upgrade. That said, you'd probably be better off just getting into a truly multichannel option so you don't need to use the pans and can have more tracks separated if needed. That's the upgrade I'd look at. Or it it's even possible the use the H6 in a mix-minus setup because you select which channels come out of the line out and therefore you can input the channels you need to the H6 and not have the caller's audio go back to them. Another option would be to look at using a service like Zencastr.com which will allow you to record yourself and remote guests separately and the audio is better than Skype because it's recorded locally on the other person's computer.
@@RayOrtega thanks so much.. that's a huge help!!!
Would this process work with rca cables to 1/4”? I’m hoping this process would work with a DJ controller .. thanks
I've just noticed it is even written on the back of the Behringer Xenyx X2222USB. It states "PRE-FADER/PRE-EQ TIP = SEND RING = RETURN". So I assume if you have, for example, a Behringer UMC1820 Audio Interface like I do this method would fit the bill to produce a full featured analogue/digital mixing solution with 8 analogue inputs and outputs for each module.
Ray, even though it is written in black and white on the unit itself, features such as these would not be apparent without you sharing your knowledge in a searchable format. Thank you very much for doing this. Kind regards.
See Section 5.3 of the manual: media63.musictribe.com/media/PLM/data/docs/P0A0M/X1622USB_X1832USB_X2222USB_X2442USB_M_EN.pdf
Thanks, Fin, very much appreciated.
Will the filters/send and return effects from the analog mixer be able to be monitored in my DAW?
Can i go from the mixer's insert to my audio interface to my DAW recording it?
Yes that's what the video is all about.
Thanks for these tips,but i want to know,did the signal that has been treated on mixer go out like we set it.or did it bypass all EQ,,compressor
Your amazing Ray! So taking each channel by this method and running into interface, gives me multi channel recording in daw! you can add eq, effects etc in your daw!!!
I have a question about how to use Mixer for multiple tracks recorded in Reaper DAW. I recorded many Indian-styled songs and uploaded them on RUclips but never use Mixer because I record my song with many many tracks for different instruments. For many many tracks, how do I use a mixer for e.g. 100 tracks means what size mixer do I need? I am very confused. Please guide me. Thanks.
Wow a very clear and straight to the point video! Thks very much
Thanks!
is the one click method work as well with TRS cables? TIA 👌
Thank you for this incredible information. Made my day! Very well presented!
Thanks, John!
Will this send a dry signal or one with effects put on it through the mixer itself? Thanks for your time.
I currently own a Mackie 1402VLZ board.Because my some output channels seem to have connection sound issues,im thinking of getting another board because repairs may be close to a smaller new board.The digital sounds like a good choice.I am looking for a unit that would allow a few audio outputs.I have 3 sets of speakers i like to use & am looking to see if a unit is made for that.I would only need 4 or 6 inputs.Any ideas ?.
Hello Ray thanks for your videos. Could you recommend a mixer for my purposes: octophonic speaker setup + subs? Music will be spatialised sometimes through software in Ableton, other times through diffusion. Thank you
I've heard of special jack cable for achieving the one click method without having your connector sticking out of your gear halfway. Does anyone know where to buy them?
Hey Ray
If i have use insert are the audio from insert applied by the eq of the mixer ?
Thanks !!
Great Video
Inserts are a direct out so they will only hit the preamp and nothing else, aka no EQ etc. Thanks!
@@RayOrtega Aux Pre are applied eq ? Or only Post Aux ?
@@ggkan9169 Aux outs on my mixer will carry the EQ if that is what you're asking. This could change based on the mixer that is being used but in my case, changes to the EQ will be heard via the Aux outs.
I have an mg12xu Yamaha mixer. Do I still have to get another type of equipment to obtain a multichannel recording? I was able to record with xlr to Studio One DAW but when I try using 2 mics I get that issue where both tracks activate. The Yamaha site only provides one driver and it's asio4all. I'm not exactly sure how to use that driver so, I'm using an mgxu yamaha driver from an external site but works per channel. Any suggestions?
so.... is there a list of muxers that allows to multitrack recording (not one stereo)? or how to find them?
Can you recommend some multi channel mixers? Thanks!
I reviewed and like both of these options ZED i10 multitrack mixer: podhelp.me/ZEDi10BH ruclips.net/video/ZVTwQXND4rw/видео.html and Zoom L-12 multitrack mixer & recorder: podhelp.me/zoomL12BH ruclips.net/video/gbvtGJiRbTw/видео.html there's also a newer series by Soundcraft that looks interesting for its price amzn.to/2CK2w9l (affiliate links)
Every talks about behringer but they have mixers with 8 busses and dorect outs like the sx4882
Hi! Thanks for this very usefull information. just one question though, if I do the one click method, will I get signals on both the mixer main output and to the audio interface?, We are recording our church worship service live, but I want to record in in individual tracks. Thank you and God bless you!
Are there special cables that allow you to push the 1/4 all the way in the insert so it will not be a short and work like all channels because at times the channel does get cancelled by putting it half way and I don't have time to check the tracks to see if they are working.
It's a good question and I'm not sure but my guess is that way is occurring, what is making this possible is the jack itself more than it is the cable.
Hi Ray thanks for the information on inserts. I would like to connect an eight track Fostex D-80 to my Behringer RX1202fx mixer. From your video I'm guessing I can connect the 8 output channels from the Fostex to the line in sockets 1 to 8 on the mixer, then take standard 1/4 inch jacks {plugged into first click} back to the 8 input channels on the Fostex. I'll feed the Left and right main out to a stereo amp with a master recorder connected, another Fostex, a D-15. Assuming this is ok, could I split the line in between the D-80 and, say a keyboard using a patch bay? That way I could record different instruments on each of the eight channels.
Hi Ray, Thanks for video. Kindly ask if you can help me with my mixer question; I connect my Mic and Guitar through two separate input and now through the output lines, I want to hear my Mic by my Studio monitors and hear my Guitar through my Guitar amp separately. Question is, how I can assign a separate output channels for individual inputs(If that is possible)? thank you.
Would I be able to use this method with a TRS cable instead of TS? And if I can use TRS cable, the end going into the audio interface, do I have to do the one click method or can I just plug it all the way in on the interface?
Hi sir ... I tried this insert output to zoom... it's working...but sound is jarring (harsh sound)..... Any solution sir.... Others can also guide me... I am doing this for live streaming mixing seperately and church mixing seperately
I love this video man! Had no idea about it and I’ve been using mixers for over 20 years... THANKS! Now a little question: would the EQ etc be recorded as well or will this method bypass the mixers EQ? THANKS!
Cool, thanks. Using the Inserts as direct outs would be preamp only, so no EQ etc. Thanks again for watching and subbing.
This is a good idea, I searched for. I have a Behringer RX1202FX. Does this behave the same way and is it a save contact while recording (having some vibrations)?
I have the F8 as well :-)
thank you Ray for this valuable info and trick ;) however a quick question, do i need to have a external recorder for this? Can i have multiple 1/4 inch cables on "one click setup" going from mixer to a guitar, drum pad and keyboards and record everything on the software as individual channel? Hope my question makes sense :)
yes you do need multiple recorder for this. you might want to check behringer x18 or similar recorder.
THANK YOU SO MUCH MIGHTY SIR.
is there a way to record without using an audio recorder? (which means just using an obs software on the pc)
hello ray thanks for your video
i have afew questions about mixer xb14 Allen and heath mixer
When I put my microphone in first line signal is good but when I add second microphone in second line I don't have any signal related to the second microphone
When I put headphone and music played from My labtop I can not hear any sound from My headphone that is connected to the mixer
I do appreciated if you help me in these regards
I have a Zoom TAC-8 which is an eight channel Thunderbolt audio interface that I want to use with a Behringer QX2442 mixer. I want to take 4 direct outs and 4 sub outs from the mixer into the Zoom Thunderbolt interface. The problem which might not be that important, is that the outs on the Behringer has unbalanced outputs for both the Subs and Direct Outs. I am afraid that I might damage the equipment or have some noise problems. Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer. Gary
So what I’ve noticed, my Apple MacBook Pro only has two usb.2 connections and I need it to read more devices than that! I’m not sure what to do other than buy a mini Mac
Are you referring to USB-C inputs? If so, you can buy an extension to give you more ports, something like this but they are a dime a dozen so shop for the one that gives you what you need amzn.to/3xNylfO
This is the same method that I use. Remember that usually the insert output is "pre eq" on your mixer. At least it is on my Mackie.
i think this video solves a problem i've tearing my hair out over. thank you!
Genius Ray! How'd you figure this out?
Thanks, Christopher. I don't recall where I got this tip but the Mackie manual actually talks about it and has a diagram for the "one-click" method;)
Trying to achieve the same thing but my channel goes mute after the first click.. Allen Heath PA20CP mixer.. Any ideas?