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I mean... they released a movie "How I Met Your Mother" a few years before the tv-show... and they honestly ended it very similarly. She didn't die... but the entire story revealed how his true love wasn't the one he ended up with (and subsequently divorced in the movie), and it was only through his children he realized they were always meant to be together. I'm not sure why people didn't expect him to end up with the on again/off again girl, that was kind always the point. I always felt the entire concept worked better as a movie anyway.
@@elementalcobalt1There’s a difference between spending two hours watching a movie and dedicating almost a decade watching a show... the end of the movie has no importance in this case, they could and did change it for the sitcom.
Greys anatomy died when mark and Lexie died, and then declined completely when Cristina left. The show never recovered from the loss of mark, Lexie and Cristina
I thought Callie and George were devastating losses to the show, too. I still watch it, but it just hasn't recaptured me like those first seasons did. It was a team of people terrified of messing up, exhausted, and excited to be doing something they've been training for for years. And now it's just... how many epic disasters can we put the remaining people through before they all die? Although I did like the Covid arc, because they really showcased how hard it was for all the people who had to work through it. The healthcare system STILL hasn't recovered from the loss of staff due to deaths and burnout.
a show always dies when more than half of the original characters leave. The show was so interesting at first but after christina left and derek died, the only plot lines were to have every doctor sleeping with each other and moving on to the next doctor
Loved the show right up to 5 years ago, or even longer, when it went potty. It's now into the 20th season, and I have not watch the last 5 years. Too messy, new DRs. are KIDS and super immature and homely. Been watching re-runs of ER. Thank you anyway, Grey's............................
Sherlock's seeming death and later illogical return are *literally* from the source material and any fan that felt nose-thumbed by it didn't actually know anything about Sherlock Holmes. In Conan Doyle's books, Holmes and Moriarty fought at Reichenbach Falls, where they both fell to their deaths. That was intended to be the end of the stories, but he was persuaded to write more later and so Holmes miraculously survived. Since it was never intended, his return was rather awkwardly executed, and the show Sherlock basically poked fun at itself with it. If people understood the source material, they would've understood the episode.
@@MegaMerdeux That's literally what I'm saying. Go back and re-read my comment with the idea that I'm talking about the execution and not the subject matter.
But was that actually intended to be the final season of Sherlock? Otherwise it's copying source material without the same context. It was still poorly executed. Besides, I don't think that ruined the show, it was Series 3 itself that was substantially below the quality of the first two.
Agreed, and with the writers staying the same and their commitment to always paying off big moments as opposed to glossing over them in 5 minutes of an episode, it had to become much darker. By the end though, it was great again. I loved every episode of the last season!
And while Season 6 is a difficult season of the show, I think picking the death is just an easy and unwarranted knock. Now, 'magic is a drug addiction' from Wrecked/Smashed, killing Tara, Spike in Seeing Red, or even just Doublemeat Palace are all much better pinpoints. Or even just Kennedy.
@@waterup380 As far as I am aware, it was decided by Joss and he and Sarah got them together to say S7 was it. To be honest, it wasn't that much of a surprise as the cast only had contracts up until then and when talking about it, it was clear in interviews a lot of them were going through the motions (lol). Joss, Nick and others have talked about it a few times because of Alyson and her claims that they only found out it was ending when they saw it on a magazine when she went on a bizarre passive-aggressive attack on Sarah a few years back, mentioning it whenever people asked as well as saying Sarah all but hated the show after S3, for some reason, only shutting up when she was called out about constantly going on about it. Angel on the other hand got cancelled because of Joss and his arrogance. He always played the 'if you don't renew it this instant then I will take it elsewhere' card to force their hands as it was usually one of the last renewed each year but when it came time to decided about S6, he tried it again, they got sick of him and his threats and cancelled it there and then.
Everybody saying Carl's death in TWD was it for them. But for me it was when Rick left. We were there with him from the absolute beginning and it was HIS story imo.
Uh if you know even a little about the comics it is CARL's story and killing him off made no sense. And thats when I stopped. Also the fact that Negan felt more emotion for Carl then Rick is messed up ( And i love Negan) So yeah its not Ricks story just because we started with him.
The last episode of How I Met Your Mother just ruined the whole series for me. We spent the last season with the planning and wedding of Robin and Barney, only to have them divorce and the mother just dying so Ted and Robin could be together. It just felt wrong.
How? Ted pretty much implies she is dead in Season 7 I think where he has that bar night with multiple versions of himself and Barny. The whole series has really been about Ted chasing Robin. Seasons 1-6 literally had almost nothing to do with "The Mother". The final season sucked because yes a lot of time was spent on the wedding and then years of content was thrown into 2 episodes.
@@julz3tt3honestly it seemed pretty obvious the whole time that Ted was telling the kids about how he met their late mother. I was more shocked that so many people didn't see it coming.
Only good part about Buffy's Resurrection is that she was pissed about it cause she was at peace. It at the very least had a fresh take on someone coming back.
Bruh, what? Season 6 was all about how adults deal with depression, financial strife, addiction, and young romance/marriage. In short, to quote Whedon, "The big bad of Season 6 is LIFE." Buffy's death kick-started it all.
"Only good part"?! There was no bad part. Anyone who thinks the show should've ended with Buffy dying young like most Slayers never understood the point of the show at all.
Disagree that it was the only good part, but I thought the same thing about their take on resurrection. It was fresh and emotional. It's also kinda funny that the reveal of her being in Heaven happened in a musical episode.
I started watching GA very very late in the game 😅 it was so good but I stopped watching at the plane crash. I was just like these people cannot get a break 😅😂😂😂
I'm so glad to hear that I'm not alone with hating that story line 😅. I was a bit surprised that they only mentioned that musical episode... I mean it was just one episode where nothing really bad happen, in the end they got the baby and everything was fine. But the plane crash changed everything! It killed beloved characters, changed beloved characters and introduced some weird ones... I'm still mad about it after all those years 😅..
@@sisterstaketoo1981😂even Christina told Meredith to just quit the hospital. She was like:'we've had hostage situations, bombs going off, a plane crash; this place is cursed!"
I’m going through the entire series from start to finish. For the first time. And my hypothesis so far is the only person who exists is Mer. It’s her private hell. Everyone else goes away or dies or is murdered or has an accident. She survives. Because she has more pain that she has earned.
For me what really killed the Office was promoting Andy to Michael's position and how it changed his whole character and office dynamic. I enjoyed the whole quest for a new manager and the introduction of Robert California and had Andy not played the part he did for the remaining season I still would look back on post-Michael Scott Office very fondly
I was sad about Michael leaving (he really was the heart of the show), but then mad with what they did with Andy. Also Toby and Oscar. Toby went from being awkward, meek, and likeable to stalkerish and creepy. Oscar went from intelligent to arrogant. And Kevin just got dumber and dumber, going from kind of silly to incompetent and fireable. I still like the show through the ending seasons, but these things bothered me.
Yes!! The season following Michael’s departure was actually pretty good and is very underrated! The final season felt like it was just spitting in the face of everything that came before it
Disagree on House, the series had been leading to their relationship for a while it was the way they dismantled it and wrote Cuddy off because they didn't want to pay her that ruined the show.
Everyone took a paycut to give the money to the final season and episode. Lisa Edelstein refused, said she was more important than Hugh Laurie and quit. That’s her problem. They tried to get her to return for the series finale and she DEMANDED a massive payday, restating she shouldn’t have to follow the same rules as everyone else, was better than Hugh, and refused so that’s on her. I’m sorry, but the show wasn’t called Cuddy’s show, it was called House M.D.
Lisa Edelstein wanted to be given a car in lieu of pay for the last episode - it was supposed to be a gift for Laurie, but she wanted it for herself. It was detailed with a big picture of Kutner on the hood, and she said that since House never cared for Kutner, she should get the car, because it was more in line with her character. Then she turned into a block of cheese, and obviously you CAN'T have a block of cheese acting a human part, only a cheese part. Then she was sliced up and plated with olives and crackers, knowing FULL WELL that Laurie was allergic to olives. Laurie died of an allergic reaction brought on by a piece of kumquat that fell on to one of the olives, and then got re-plated elsewhere. Lisa Edelstein was moved to a female prison on mars, where they keep her in a permanent state of giggles. I have proof of all of these things in my wallet, but I can't find my wallet.
Hardcore disagree about House. The whole point was that he botched that relationship too because of how broken he is.. so he had to go back to doctoring.
Their relationship completely ruined the show. House acted completely out of character (specially after cuddy dumped him for the dumbest reason ever). He literally smashed his car into her house without even knowing if she was in the living room. He could've killed her, which is something he'd never do. Then him faking his own suicide (despite the fact that house was against suicide, he actually gave a little speech explaining why he's against it after Kal Penn's character killed himself). And his best friend, a oncologist having cancer was another cliche lazy twist. That was basically adding salt to several injuries. I love Dr House, dont get me wrong. But the show had very bad twists and weird arcs (like Dr Hosue in prison)....
@@MegaMerdeuxthe cancer twist may have been predictable from a trope standpoint, but the relationship between Wilson and House was really cool to see change. Cuddy should have never been a thing that actually happened, though. Maybe he got close enough to success before she pulled away at something stupid he did, driving him further up his own ass or something. But not what they gave us.
I know it's been said but I strongly disagree with Buffy's death/resurrection being on this list. If anything it gave us Once More with Feeling which is probably one of the best most unique episodes of not just Buffy but in TV history. It's beloved by many and wouldn't exist without her death and come back.
I've said before and I'll say it again I think Once More With Feeling is the single best episode of TV ever. It has a really good self contained story and it moved the plot of the season and character developments that had been brewing for years and the songs are good and catchy. It works for non-fans and works better for fans.
@@submarinereflection305 I agree, adding Dawn was super weird, and keeping her after she stopped being the key, it was even worse. Her character didn't have charisma or relevance for the plot after that. But the first death of Buffy lasted like 2 mins and it was not a cliffhanger. The second death of Buffy was at the end of the season, so the only thong that made sense is something I read, they were about to end the show, but then another company bought it and wanted the show to continue.
I literally had a violent reaction to the end of how I met your mother. Words don't describe the feeling of betrayal and under cutting the shows own rules/sensibility for lazy writing that they just didn't want to change the ending they already filmed for the show. Unbelievable
@@mohammadfarzand4839 Yeah the ending really sucked with it killing of the mother who we had waited for so long and who genuinly was such a good character they introduced in the 9th season. that and going back to robin who ted had spent the whole season trying to get over. Thats why i think the alternativ ending is better were they meet at the train station and introduce eachother and the series ends there
@mollyfarrell. I had never heard about Peter Petrelli going to Cork before now. I read your comment. I was horrified. I watched some videos. I grew up in Belfast and I think those vids just traumatised me! What the heck was that‽
Season 2 had issues that needed addressing, but the Writer's Strike and subsequent decision to end the season early to focus on retooling the show was a BIG mistake. They effectively scrapped all plans and then had too much time on their hands to work on season 3, leading to overthinking and second-guessing that culminated in season 3 being a convoluted retconning of season 2. It's like how there were valid criticisms of The Last Jedi, and then JJ Abrams overcorrected, scrapped everything, and made the entire purpose of Rise of Skywalker to be a retcon of Last Jedi, the end result being a half-baked, underwritten, pandering, contrived attempt at basically making a big budget version of a Star Wars fan fiction film you would see on RUclips.
Buffy's death really doesn't belong on this list. The show had been canceled so they killed her off. Then another network bought it, so she needed to be brought back. I actually thought they did a terrific job of doing this.
They certainly did the best job they could with it. Buffy's chronic depression throughout season 6 was a very clever way to turn the concept of resurrection on its head
@@kierancawley3990 And the chronic depression makes all the more sense when she reveals that she was in heaven until her friends brought her back to life.
My main problem with it was when it was revealed she was in heaven to her "friends", they didn't seem to have consequences or feel sorry about it. Like there was no talk about it, everything was back to normal
That show was EVERYWHERE, absolutely massive fandom. The most mainstream that kind of high fantasy has been since the LOTR movies, and then it just disappeared.
@@pat2rome It became completely un-rewatchable. It could have been huge, but no, it's a series you watch once, then put away and never watch again because of how bad it gets.
@pat2rome The higher you are, the farther you'll fall. Fans and non-fans could see that coming (not the ending per se, but the disaster) from miles and miles away (season 4 to be precise).
@@Alastair_ It isn't like that, I think the red wedding was well executed and I keep coming back to Tyrion's judgement every now and then (despite the actor). It's just that people built unachievable expectations after that.
I wouldn't call Buffy's a 'fake out' death in the traditional sense. It was supposed to be a permanent death. But even when they started the 6th season she's still very much dead and they have to actively try to bring her back
Yeah I feel like her resurrection was fine. There was a lot of potential with the resurrection plot line but the route of making Buffy bad/irresponsible didn't suit her character at all and the overall season (s6) was just so boring to watch. Dawn was also an annoying character and even more so in s7 like this girl shes just a freaking ornament and the audacity she got to kick Buffy out of her own house even though Buffy literally died for her like wth....no respect... I feel like introducing Riley and Dawn definitely brought the show down.... S4 was boring too.. but thats just my opinion
I always thought it was just an exit from the network and they always planned on her coming back. (At least after based on what I heard.) In any case, for me I had seen Buffy face every possible situation with increasingly difficult villains, starting as basic vampires and ending with a god as the boss of season 5, I just felt after that there wasn't any reason to watch. I did watch the last few episodes of season 7 to see how it totally ended. I will say Buffy got a great series finale...twice. 😂
@z-almas4845 You're not alone. I know a lot of people didn't like Dawn. I don't either like or mind Dawn. To me, she's a character you're supposed to be annoyed with. It's like a villain you hate. It's cause the actor and plot are good. Maybe Dawn was necessary for season 5 but hurt the rest of the show. I can't say. I thought they missed a big opportunity to explore new things when Buffy could have been in a cool new dimension from the portal. (Well cool for us, not her.) Same as an episode of Angel season 4 he goes through a portal, and while he does some stuff there, it was too quick. Then again, different dimensions cost a lot of money to produce.
If I remember correctly, Sir Arthur Conan Boyle had actually tried to kill off Sherlock because he hated writing him, but people lost their minds so he had to bring him back. I believe it was set up as having faking his death to capture Moriarty or something. It's been a bit since I've read the books.
yeah, it's also a thing in the Sherlock Holmes movies too, but at least they left it at did/n't he die - it could have been done better in the show with maybe one or two episodes without him and Watson getting the itch to get back into things and solve some cases on his own
This is the first I heard about Grey's having a musical (I never watched the show). I've always hated musical episodes but they play well in kitchy shows (Buffy, Lucifer, etc). Who would ever think doing a musical in a serious drama would be a good idea?
Just dropping in to be that guy...Buffy's death wasn't a "fakeout." She died. Willow resurrected Buffy from heaven, something that was a major driver of the musical episode later that season. Which by the way is "a musical episode at best" example, because that musical was amazing. Willow's discovery that she had taken her best friend out of eternal peaceful rest to be alive again is a gutpunch. The "witchcraft = drug" crap was definitely the low point of season 6 and the series as a whole.
See this is a debate with Walking Dead fans, those who really weren't committed to the show and being a fan of it walked away when Negan killed Glenn. That was supposed to happen in the story, for other fans what killed the show was when they killed Carl off, he was supposed to make it to the end
@@williambragg6171 maybe for some people who think Glenn's death was too much, they probably grew up watching nothing but Disney movies and never had witnessed such graphic violence before in the horror genre. They would probably suffer PTSD if they watched the terrifier 1 and 2
@@MrX965785055i agree. You can literally see the change in tone after that episode where glenn bashed in. They never had an episode as gory as that after. Negan was talking to us when he called ricks group a bunch of pussies lmaooo.
Glen was not only my favorite character, but that moment was just so terrible, I decided to mostly stop watching. I did watch more but it wasn't enough to keep me interested.
@@lealmelisa they did it because Michael and Jennifer were dating at the time which was extremely a bad idea Also Deb should of turned him to finish his "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" arc they built up since season one
i remember being appalled by it cause they built their relationship as siblings throughout the entire show and then they just turned around and used the oh technically they are not blood related so it's
Could not be more wrong about Buffy, as it being one of if not my favorite show of all time the resurrection and her climbing out of the ground is an epic scene and the show continued to be fantastic
Came straight to the comments. Willow going dark & being the antagonist was brilliant, imo. I thought the Trio was so lame watching back in the early '00s.
You missed one: The Blacklist, Liz's pregnancy! She couldn't stop talking about her baby for a minute, much less 30 seconds and get on with her job. It was a really bad switch in tone going from Reddington's list of baddies to Liz's constant baby drama. That's what killed the show for me.
Let's not forget lizzie's fake death. Miss Kaplan orchestrated the whole thing to separate her from reddington. So she can have a normal life, that plot really hurted the show. And ended Kaplan's life, literally.
Disagree with Buffy inclusion. I think Ms. Mojo should have acknowledged that Buffy's Resurrection led to one of the rare moments when a shows "Musical Episode" made sense. "Once More with Feeling" was relevant (not a dream sequence or unacknowledged one-off), fit the shows theme, and had a powerful reveal at the end.
I can confirm that Neegan's rants and him killing Glenn were the straw that broke the camel's back for me. It had already gone to shit and I never watched a second after that.
Huh? Neegan always kills Glenn, thats from the source material. The negan character was done perfectly. There are a thousands of things wrong with TWD. Neither of those two things are on the list.
@seanbroccoli2698 I knew it then and I know it now. It didn't change the fact that Neegan's rants and the whole crew being held at gunpoint for full episodes was as appealing as a plate full of piss. Listening to The Governor just talk for a whole season was bad enough. My point was that Glenn's death and Neegan going on and on about nothing was where I stopped watching. That is not incorrect, no matter how special and clever you are. You read the books before it was cool and all that, but my comment wasn't wrong.
Me too. I never read the comics but Glenn was the only character I liked and found interesting in the TV show, so after he was killed, I couldn't be bothered to watch. Maybe other characters are more interesting in the comics though.
@@seanbroccoli2698 It already sucked in the comic books and made me finally stop reading them as well. Neegan is a terrible character for little edgelords and nothing else.
Im reading the books. I think Arya will be more awesome in the books that could justify her badassness to kill the night king (Im about to finish book 4, which is the last we will read about Arya or Cat from the cannals) I think it's implied that she has to die to become a faceless assassin. Man if Im right, thats badass. But what we see in the series feels cheap.
I almost stopped watching after Glenn's death but pushed through. Carl's death was the end for me. That was the death of hope. Carl was the reason Rick had been trying all that time, and then he was gone.
@@zoyadulzura7490 I felt the same way about the decision to kill Catniss sister in that trilogy of books. Removes the entire point for her volunteering. The entire ending where she has a family but none of it makes her happy because her sister was killed reads so hollow. We are saying having kids and a happy family never erases the pain of losing a sibling ever?
I never even made it to Carl's death after Glenn first fakeout death and then his real death. When I heard about Carl I was just like "Yeah that tracks. And I don't care".
No, what really happened is he kept leaping from one body to another throughout time, eventually he landed in the body of Captain Jonathan Archer in the 22nd Century. 😉
Buffy dying should in no way be on this list especially how the show dealt with the trauma of her resurrection. This makes it sound "Look guys shes back and everything is fine now!!"
What I loved about Buffy was that they had the main character work in fast food to pay the bills. Most other shows are very insulting to average workers so it was a nice change.
A lot of angelic child actors end up with a face for radio. (Jaden Smith!) Nobody talks about it, but I think it's hilarious. The opposite is FAR worse though. I'm trying to watch Harry Potter 1,2 and 3 with the kids and Emma Watson's child face reminds you of her adult face. I'm not a paedo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@MajesticalHonky
Yea, I was waiting till the last seconds of GOT to see a closeup of Brans face, opening his eyes and they would be ice blue. I was really thinking this would happen! ...
He woulda been the perfect new Master of Secrets or whatever the job The Spider had. but they stupidly wrote him to be King lmao the living computer is King smh
@@PricefieldPunk I honestly think they could have kept him as king if they'd done something else with Jon. I was hoping the Aegon Targaryen thing would have had more consequence in that final battle--like maybe Jon and Dany face off and Drogon recognizes Jon as blood and won't kill him or something... Jon takes his position as king, restoring the Targaryen bloodline to the throne, which is what Dany wanted. She comes to her senses, honors Jon's claim to the throne, she lives. For her crimes against King's Landing, Jon exiles her back to Mereen which ends up being a blessing since she's a queen over there and the people actually love her--it's where she belongs and she's happy to return home. Jon is king but, we all know he just wanted to be free so, as king of the seven kingdoms, he accompanies the wildlings to establish a northern kingdom north of the wall. Bran, with all of his wise three-eyed stuff, is hand of the king and is left to rule in Jon's absence. Sansa is queen of the north, Arya goes on her adventures. Similar ending in terms of where most people end up but a much more satisfying way to get them there....
Cuddy and House were a perfect match; showcasing House's growth since the show began. When Cuddy's actor refused to continue that plot we suddenly got terrible Psycho House, Rapping House, Prison House, and Motorcycle House
There was nothing wrong with Cuddy and House getting together. Instead, it was House going from being a brilliant student of human behavior to being an absolute moron and having no idea he should be there for his GF's surgery. I mean, gimme a break.
@9:30. In fairness Buffy Season 5 was originally the series finale. The show was cancelled and then brough back so it wasn't planned as a fake-out, the creators wrote themselves into a corner thinking the show was over and then had to scramble to backtrack when the show was revived. And it's worth noting that Buffy's resurrection was the prologue to the Dark Willow arc which pretty much singlehandedly saved Season 6.
House went into the crapper when they threw the Cuddy romance out the window and he ended up in prison. I would have rather the show ended with a happy, clean, and sober House than the way it did.
I thought Buffy storylines when her friends brought her back from the dead were great! I especially enjoyed the Buffy and Spike dramas, and so did everyone I knew at the time.
Plus her sacrifice makes sense. She did it to save Dawn. Then her friends think she's in a hell dimension because of what Glory was trying to do. So they they try to bring her back. Then Buffy is SERIOUSLY depressed through that entire season, which ends up making all the more sense when it's revealed that she was in heaven.
This is where watch mojo got it wrong, it wasnt the resurrection itself that fans didnt like, it was the change of tone, overall themes and pacing S6 was a very jarring change of tone, overall themes and pacing that made it hard for fans to get behind back then. But now after all these years later a lot of fans have come to appreciate and really like S6 and 7. Including me I myself think, that while S5 is my favourite season, season 6 of buffy is the shows strongest and best written season
@@shadowphoenix1696 her attitude made no sense! You would have thought she;d be grateful for a second chance and to see her friends again! Couldn;t she have seen them from Heaven and seen how screwed up it all was without her? Plus now that she knows Heaven exists, you would have thought she;d do her best to be good to ensure she COULD go there again someday, not jump into bed with SPIKE!! Hell if God forbid IO died, went to Heaven and then had a second chance I'd be thankful and I'd practically be a mercenary. I'd do my best to do good an go around saying, "It exists!! Heaven is real!! It's true, it's true, it's real!! You wouldn;t believe how wonderful it is!!" I would have treated Heaven like a mini vacation and a preview of coming attractions.
@@shadowphoenix1696 Like you, at the time it aired I wasn't really feeling the season as a whole. It's one that needs more than one viewing in order to really grasp its brilliance--same for season 7. But when you get it...wow. Very layered, complex and nuanced writing. There's a reason why people still watch and discuss the show to this day.
Here's one that most of your viewers are probably too young to have seen. Bonanza was to have had Hoss getting married in an upcoming season. Tragically however, Dan Blocker passed away before the season started. So they ended up having Little Joe get married, then killed his wife off almost immediately. I remember my whole family was shocked. And if I remember correctly, Bonanza only lasted another season or two before going off the air.
wow; my 30 year old son "what the hell is Bonanza" Also, didn't the Newhart Show end with something just as silly as Dallas' "the entire past year was all just a dream? I believe they were in Vermont for a year or more and they final scene, homage to Dallas, they were back in their Manhattan apt. (had never moved.)
@@esciteach7997 The Newhart finale was making fun of Dallas, and was HYSTERICAL!!! I watched it when it originally aired. In some circles it's voted the best finale ever.
If you know Doctor Who, you understand the Sherlock issue. Creator Steven Moffat often has the most brilliant ideas for stories…but no clear ending to those stories. Sometimes, he can pull off a complete beginning, middle, end. But more often, he kind of fizzles out, unable to come up with a believable ending that works with the plot. Then tries to cover it up by saying something like, “Well, what do YOU think it means? That’s up to interpretation!” 🙄 A lot of Whovians predicted he would pull this when we saw that season ender.
There's a reason why I fizzled out in the Moffat era when watching Doctor Who, and that was why. Chibnail was meh at best. I'm looking forward ti seeing RTD back at the helm though. It was a shame though the way Sherlock went, because I don't think we'll ever get a better pairing than Cumberbatch and Freeman.
IMO Dr. Who needs to go back into hiatus for another decade and start again in 2035. Let all of these stories mellow and pass out of the consciousness. Relying on David Tennent to jump back in to revive the series and remain the DR. at the same time as another DR is ALSO out there was such a cheap cop out.
Agreed on the Moffat shows. They start out amazing, and then somewhere along the way they just get needlessly complicated and messy. Cumberbatch and Freeman were the absolute best pairing ever. I think I could get on board for a "Season 4 was just one of John's nightmares" scenario to re-set the characters (sorry not sorry - Mary never happened, and neither did Eurus or Abusive John). It'll never happen, but boy do I wish it could.
I feel that way about most of Heinlein's novels. He starts off strong but eventually writes himself into a corner that can only be resolved by a deus ex machina moment. His short stories are wonderful, though!
Actually I think what put a lot of people off the Negan storyline in the Walking Dead was how gratuitously excessive and vile that culminating episode was.
indeed. I was a die hard TWD fan, I would watch it and re-watch it, I would watch podcast about it later on the week while waiting for the next week's episode and I would talk about during lunch time with my office mates, everyone making theories and guessing what would happen next. And all of that was gone during the Nega storyline (which btw, they did better in the comics, especially with Glen's death) but after that I just lost all interest and till this day I don't even know how it ended
Same here. Loved the show before Negan. I tried watching the next season, too, but didn't make it very far. His violence was so over the top it was repulsive, and I never watched the rest.
I remember crying my gd eyes out when Buffy died...and being absolutely stoked when it came back. I was young, I learned a lot from the season after that. Even though it was dark, many of us were younf teens and needed to contextualize some dark stuff like we always had w Buffy. I loved it idk haha
Yep! Pretty much everyone I know dropped out of The Walking Dead because of the episode with Negan murdering Glenn. It was incredibly graphic and very cruel. A very unpleasant episode of television, and the death of a character all viewers loved.
That, however is how Glenn died in the comic TWD is adapted from, which is a big reason his fake-out death earlier was unnecessarily. Fans of the book knew how Glenn died and they weren't falling for it. @jstos3675, I responded before seeing your comment. To add to that, I had already dropped out of TWD because of all the changes they'd made in adapting it long before the Negan arc. I might pick it up again at some later date, but I stopped watching after season 1, and from what I hear, I didn't really miss much.
Characters have been brutally dying on the show since its inception. I don't understand why people thought Glenn was untouchable when there was always a good chance that he would die.
I kept watching for about another season or so after Glenn's death. After the season Carl died I quit. Glenn's death hurt and was horrifyingly brutal but I do think it served a purpose. However, Carl's death just seemed stupid and pointless to me. For him to make it through all that he went through and then get randomly bit and die? No, I was pissed. I finished the rest of the season but I haven't picked it back up. At some point I will because I am interested to see how it all ends, even though there are like, what 2 or 3 spinoffs now?.
You missed Castle. It should have had a happy ending with a wedding at the end of S6, instead they stretched it beyond breaking point with the CIA/LokSat story line over the last 2 seasons. The ensemble cast had gotten too expensive so they had to make cuts and this affected the show, together with the breakdown in relations between the two leads. To go back further, before WatchMojo's ken, "McMillan & Wife" was a hit show which was killed by killing off Susan Saint James's character after Susan became too uppity about her contract.
I didn't hate the Elsa part on Once Upon A Time. It wasn't my favourite, but it was ok. For me what killed the show it was season 7. It wasn't as good as it was at the early seasons, but for me it was ok. But season 7 without half of the main cast, the whole Snow White family it was ridiculous. The downfall started with Robin's dead, but season 6 was somehow good. But season 7 not, it was horrible.
I absolutely agree. I actually liked the Frozen storyline. What I hated was the way they killed off Robin and left Regina alone again. She too deserved a happy ending. The final season, I always think of it as a fever dream. It was so bad and unnecessary.
I would say Gossip Girl (2007) died the minute they did that awful Ivy Dickens plot line, Buffy when they introduced Dawn, The OC died when Marissa got killed off, Gilmore Girls jumped the shark when they did that awful Rory sleeping with Dean plot line in S4/5 and OUAT died when they did that awful Neverland plot in s3
I agree totally with your Buffy and Gilmore Girls comments. Though I would argue maybe GG started a bit earlier with Dean marrying that other girl and everyone kind of knowing it was a bad idea. It just went downhill from there.
The Neverland plot in ouat was brilliant! Really good imho. The last season on the other hand was... well... not the best writing. Watched it anyway though, lol
Same. I just did a TWD rewatch and completed the entire series. Glenn’s death is a clear marker in the decline of the show. The quality and development of some main characters especially.
Same. Don't care that's "what happened in the book." The way the show handled it from about three eps before to the slaughter itself was the show's death knell for me.
To be honest, Game of Thrones died when Cercei had killed the two main families storylines of King's landing. Don't get me wrong, that sequence is absolutely chilling. But it did nothing. Cercei became Queen just because, there's was no unrest, Civil War or even impact amoung the people. When the political drama died, it became mostly lazy writting.
To me what went wrong in GOT (and this was from reading the book, so Martin's fault), when Cercwi the greatest villain was stripped of her power by the religious fanatics. It felt cheap and bad writing that didn't fit. It wasn't as bad for the show cause the plot moved faster. For literature it was dry.
I actually liked Heroes up until the last season. It had its problems, for sure, but it was still enjoyable until that final season where they changed all the rules and went back on the messaging the previous season had built up. They ruined the characters of Hiro and Claire, but what angered me the most was what they did with Sylar. He was the most compelling character on the show.
The moment when Beth died in TWD really felt unfair. We watched a whole season about it and to have such outcome ... That was problably the first bad idea they had.
Honestly, I Wasn't Even A Fan Of Beth And I Didn't Like Her That Much...But Her Death Pissed Me Off So Much, It Was The Exact Moment I Stopped Watching The Show...
Beth was the single most useless character in the show aside form that Nicholas douche who unalived himself and almost got Glen killed in the dumpster scene. Beth brought it on herself by stabbing that woman when she was free to leave. The saddest part about that scene is that Maggie had to lose yet another family member.
@@militiamama9444 I disagree. Beth and Daryl were going to form the most pure and childish couple in the series and give a very refreshing vibe after all the shitshow in s3. They had amazing chemistry and Beth had a solid character development that whole season. Edit. I low balled Daryl's age by at least 10 to 15 years so thus my conclusion 😅😂 Still i think in a zombie apocalipse age should matter less.On this note , Carol was looking like 60+ whilist Daryl looked half her age .
@@eleazarmoraru6532 My stance has more to do with her overall usefulness to the group, not her romantic/emotional involvement with people. Her Dad was a medic, and the moral compass for the group. Maggie served as protector/scavenger alongside Glen. Daryl was a "jack of all trades" hunter/scavenger/protector. Carol has the best character arc of the entire series, she suffered even before the apocalypse, and she was meant to look older to play into the role of the abused wife/mother, even though her character was late 30's early 40's. Daryl is mid to late 30's and Beth is 18-19, but again contributed nothing to the survival of the group, in fact she lead the group(especially Daryl) into danger more than once. Daryl always aims to save everyone, and if she hadn't died, he would have ended up dying to save her eventually.
I think a lot of fans of "The Fairly Oddparents" have agreed that Poof wasn't the beginning of the end....it was the dog and the girl (which I stopped watching in between their introduction and Poof's). Poof was adorable!
I feel the same way except with a different show. Everyone I know says that the introduction of Dil in Rugrats was the dropping point, but I actually really liked Dil. Tommy's new older brother role and "sponserbilerie" towards Dil was heartwarming. Kimi was the culprit that I believe was the ending point for Rugrats.
i loved poof. I remember being the excited to watch the next episodes during the whole poof thing. i ended up outgrowing the show so thankfully i never got to see the dog and girl
@@LadyDecember Which gave Tommy a new way to overcome his issues from the movie. Great reference there. The series was well planned, it was just worn out by then
Agreed! Season 6 def had its problems but I recently rewatched and actually think many of the choices they made revitalized the series after the move to UPN.
Buffy was changing networks between seasons 5 and 6. She died on the one network and was resurrected with the new one. It made sense with the plot and circumstances at the time.
Thanks for mentioning that the spin off of scrubs was never intended to be a continuation. But you left out the fact that when it aired, it aired as Scrubs: Med School. It didn't become "season 9" until they had to sell the DVDs.
And it's so funny to me how pissy Chris gets when fans' reaction is brought up. In an interview he tried to pay it off that CSM is not actually the father. Chris said, "fans aren't asking the right questions about what CSM is telling Skinner" what a copout
@@charliedavis5787 He realized having a feminine icon basically being a victim of "medical rape" twice wasn't a good idea and he lost support from most of the fans. There's some sad little shippers who think a 55 year old being pregnant in the last episode was a good thing.
No, the show died when Mulder left. I never finished season 8, and didn't watch any of the rebooted versions except for 2 episodes out of morbid curiosity. Seasons 4-6 remain some of the best TV ever made.
I actually enjoyed the way Sherlock didn’t fully explain how he did it, even though the last theory is probably the closest. Season 3 in general is under appreciated imo.
I agree. I liked Mary's backstory and sacrifice. Season 4's introduction of the sister was what threw me off (i.e. selective amnesia.) That and the nonsensical season 4 finale put me off.
For me it was Tom and Lynette getting a divorce. They've managed to survive him having a secret child with another woman, but broke up because they got bored at a b&b? Come on!
@@teedollap5293 Well, to be fair the time jump is probably what allowed the show to continue past the 4 seasons. Should it have? That's up for debate. While they are not as good as season 1, they still had great moments (and IMO season 6 is one of the best)
The Dallas finale with Bobby coming back not only affected that show but it also affected its spin-off series Knot's Landing. The seventh season of that show coincided with the ninth season of Dallas and there were comments made on the show about Bobby's death One of valene's babies was named after him in honor of that. So when in season 10 they showed him coming back to life it put Knots Landing in a completely different universe.
I was a bit young to watch the show at that time. But wasn't Bobby killed off in the first place because Patrick Duffy wanted to leave the show, then decided he wanted to come back.
@@karenhall4645 Yes, he wanted to leave and do something else and the other thing you wanted to do and didn't work out well so he they asked him to come back to the show and their way of bringing him back was to just pretend that that entire season didn't exist.
The only mention of Buffy in this video should have been it's phenomenal musical episode Once More With Feeling inspiring other TV shows into thinking they could do a musical too. Buffy's death was handled very well and it had major reverberations throughout the final two seasons.
I never weatched HIMYM, but even I was like "What?!!!" when I hear and most of my friends were pissed off. Truthfully, I think it should've ended with Tracy walking in and being like "You telling stories agian?"
The problem was the writers knew how they wanted to end the series when the show began, and they stubbornly stuck with it instead of letting the show and characters naturally choose their direction. That's why it felt forced and wrong- because they had to shoehorn in an ending that no longer fit with the narrative.
@@JaemeelRobinson I assumed the mother was dead pretty much from the beginning it just doesn't make sense why you'd tell such a long story like that without the mother herself there. Regardless though the way it was done was pretty bad but even worse it came at the end of a disastrous finale season that all took place over a weekend instead of over almost a year like the other seasons.
Its silly because it was implied she was dead much earlier than the finale. In one episode Ted says he wished he had more time with her. Not only that but the majority of the show actually has nothing to do with him meeting the mother. The best seasons of HIMYM are all about Ted chasing Robin.
Negan showing up and killing off Abraham and Glenn wasn't the point that killed the show, it was when the creative team behind The Walking Dead show fired Carl Grimes' actor Chandler Riggs and killed off Carl that's what killed the show
I disagree. I hated Carl. I couldn't stand his character. I kept hoping that one of the times they had to yell his name to find him, yet again, would be the last time. When Rick was "rescued" was when it died. Not that episode, but the ones following it. The search for him was fine, but we NEVER heard from that group again. Why? They'd made an appearance. Did they just vanish back into the woodwork? Felt like it. I almost forgot....when everyone started abandoning Rick's daughter to go "look for him" was just dumb. Machonne was her "mom" and she and Rick had a child together. Then she just leaves them both behind? In a world of Zombies? Stupid!!
Most these I've never watched but the ones that I have I think it’s a pretty fair assessment. The stand out exception is Buffy. I thought the later episodes where some of the best in the series. These weren't kids anymore and growing up means facing darker realities.
Yup it was basically "Ted uses women as a backup plan because he can't get over the first chick who banged him " I remember arguing with other fans of how Ted was always the asshole not Barney at least he was honest about his dating life All Ted did was gaslight Robin and other women into dating him And not counting he cheated on Veronica (the original mom) who was good for him with Robin because he made excuses to bang Robin
I am a fan of the X-Filex, but you already see after seasons 5, that the writers had already told the story. Not everything was bad past this seasons, but you could see that there was not really a plan and it got worse with the new seasons. Do not force a show to go on, if you have nothing to tell...
Season 6 is good, season 7 gets to the unwatchable range... I didn't like how the wrapped up his sisters story either. Such a good show, should have ended with the movie.
I think they had, but they channeled all stories to feed the struggling cousin show Millennium, which became a huge success and got a cult following (I dare to say the same cult following migrated from X-Files) X-Files was left for those not-so-into Millennium, thus with the same slow burn fake conspiracies going.
@@MalissiaCreates S7 episode "Closure" is one of my favorite of the show. And I genuinely believed it was the series finale the first time I watched it. It would have been perfect to end the show there
@@radicalmatamune omgoodness yes! Just mentioning it and I’m immediately reminded of the ending with Moby’s haunting song My Weakness playing while he sees the children.. tear evoking scene, it’s giving me chills now. Truly beautiful episode.
31. “Felicity Smoak, you have failed this omelet”- Arrow 32. WW2 holodeck fiasco- Star Trek: Voyager 33. Dim and Juicy documentary- The Rookie 34. Killing off Professor Arturo- Sliders 35. The Timeless Child- Dr. Who
Season 3 was pretty bad. They took a good character and made her super whiny then flip her to be like an ultimate badass. I swear, writers dont know how to write female characters. They want to make "strong" female characters so rather than building one, they just make one apear out of thin air. Arrowverse was awful for that. Iris and Felicity just nochalantly taking out trained armed guards, or diving off buildings performing tasks no normal human being could just do without some form of training. Just awful.
Negan killed The Walking Dead for me... Not because he killed Glen, but because he was an impossibly over-powered villain. There was no way he could have known everything he knew about the show's heroes (what they were going to do, their exact location, etc) unless he had psychic super-powers. No fault to the actor that played Negan, but he was just a badly written character. It was as if the writers wanted to outdo the Governor, but went a bit too far!
He killed it for me too, after what he did and all the chances they had to kill him, they put him in a cell ? they would have/should have killed him. I stopped watching shortly after that.
Right? And then the wanted us to root for him after Rick went missing? No thanks, I hate him eternally. And he reminds me of my douchebag former boss with that smirk.
Nobody ever cites it but for me end of the show was the fake-out death of Glen where it seemed like he was dead and then two episodes later you find out he somehow survived a giant hoard of zombies by hiding under a dumpster. It wasn't long before Negan shows up.
I'm surprised Westworld wasn't mentioned. The moment that killed it for me was the "genre" episode in season 3. The whole season was basically aesthetics over substance, but that one was the final straw for me. Such a shame, after that masterful first season.
Westworld should have been a limited series instead of an ongoing one. First 2 seasons were fantastic and had so much to say about humanity. After that it was just generic sci-fi robots vs. humans.
@@HeadCannonPrime Yea, I think it was season 3 when I dipped as well. Whichever season that takes place off-world. I noped out immediately. I watched for WESTWORLD, not the adjacent world.
I think the Buffy arc was very well done and so emotional for all the characters. They depicted the struggle for everyone with the repercussions so thoughtful… doesn’t belong on here I think. And I think every show develops through its run.
But her attitude made no sense! You would have thought she;d be grateful for a second chance and to see her friends again! Couldn;t she have seen them from Heaven and seen how screwed up it all was without her? Plus now that she knows Heaven exists, you would have thought she;d do her best to be good to ensure she COULD go there again someday, not jump into bed with SPIKE!! Hell if God forbid IO died, went to Heaven and then had a second chance I'd be thankful and I'd practically be a mercenary. I'd do my best to do good an go around saying, "It exists!! Heaven is real!! It's true, it's true, it's real!! You wouldn;t believe how wonderful it is!!" I'd have treated the death as a mini vacation and a preview of coming attractions.
@@colleen4ever Buffy descrived precisely a depression. In earth she was fighting the dark, she was a murderer, she had to take difficult decisions, to lose people, always fighting then she died and she was in peace, but when she came back she felt alone, cold, unhappy, depressed, she was in hell again.
@@colleen4ever The show explained more than once that she was in Heaven, she was happy and they ripped her out of it. Why should she be happy or grateful for that? She's obviously suffering from depression the entire season. She spend the last five years constantly fighting and was for the first time at peace and they ripped her out of it to go back to saving the world. There's nothing to be grateful for, nothing to be happy about.
Nip/Tuck in my opinion managed to out-jump the shark even Dexter. I started watching it thinking it'd be interesting to see a show about plastic surgeons and their stories about various crazy clients and what extreme or sad things they'd ask, and ended up watching a show where they killed mobsters and hid their corpses, and serial killers chasing them. If it had any more seasons they'd probably introduce a robot from the future forcing them to give him human skin ala-terminator to blend in and take over humanity, and how they'd break into a secret facility to bust out laser rifles to kill it.
Ummm maybe go back and rewatch Nip/Tuck because they get involved with mobsters and hide their corpses in the FIRST EPISODE. I've always said it is Ryan Murphy's only show that didn't go crazy because it started out crazy from the beginning.
I lost it for Nip/Tuck when it turned into soft porn. If I want to watch porn I'll watch porn. I don't need it in my TV programs. And Liz and Christian having sex with each other was pointless, just gross. That's when I stopped watching.
Well said. I continued to watch TWD after Glenn's death to see how everyone would seek revenge. But when Carl died & I still liked the characters but I didn't trust the writers.
To be completely honest though, for those of us back in the 70's, Fonzie jumping over that shark was a big deal. You have to realize Jaws had just come out two years before, so sharks were in the public conscious. Just like a few years later when Star Wars came out everybody was scrambling to figure out a way to have some sci-fi space element in their stories ( which Happy Days also managed to do ). In retrospect The Fonz jumping the shark was a moment that made everyone realize that Happy Days wasn't the same show that it had started out as, but everything is a lot clearer in retrospect.
Though I dug it as a kid, in retrospect Happy Days was just not a good show past its early episodes. It started started out as kind of a warm look at family life in a bygone era. It had a poignancy and sweetness about it that just disappeared as the show moved further away from that and into escalating weird situations. The evolution of Fonzie from a tangential character as a soulful tough guy with a motorcycle into the major character -- and an almost magical being at that epitomizes the arc of the show from decent to awful. And don't even get me started on Mork or Spike or Pinky or Chachi selling his soul. Ugh.
@@dashx1103yes but unfortunately ‘Happy Days’ did not do very well in ratings in it’s first couple of years. It was only after they pushed Fonzie to the front is when everyone started watching it. We all loved Fonzie. Guys wanted to be him, girls wanted to be with him, to be able to do things like he did (starting a jukebox by hitting it). Happy Days would not have had the success it did without Fonzie being front and center
I'm perplexed by the idea that "The office is one of the most influential sitcoms of the 20th century... so far." Does someone have a time machine, or have we forgotten what century we're in?
You got one of the greatest and most anticipated Villain introductions on TV ever with Negan only to be left pissed off for the next couple of months waiting for who died, and after the mid season finale teasing another main character death. What should've been TWD's greatest era became its downfall
I actually really liked Buffy s6. It wasn't about thinking she was actually dead for me, but how they were gonna bring her back. And the season long arc of where she was and if bringing her back was the right thing to do, was a great way to acknowledge that she was actually dead and not just a gimmick.
@@lilletrille1892 But that's why it made no sense!!! You would have thought she'd be glad for a second chance and top see her friends again! Who WANTS to stay dead even if you ARE in Heaven? I'd be thankful for another chance, and hell now that I know Heaven is real I'd practically be a saint to make sure I could go there again...NOT jump into bed with a vampire!! I'd be telling everyone about Heaven and saying it's real, it;s real, it;'s true!! (I would treat a second chance as a mini vacation and a preview of coming attractions)
The depression did make sense. Think of how much crap Buffy went through as the slayer. She went through so much pain, loneliness, and heartbreak. She sacrificed so much of herself and was finally free and and at peace, but was pulled from that peace by her friends.@@colleen4ever
@@colleen4ever I think you missed the point. Buffy's life was basically eternal struggle, fighting and death. Her being dead and in heaven was actually her reward for having such a messed up and painful life. Them bringing her back was like prolonging her torture. I personally think just about ALL of Buffy was really well done with a few minor mis-steps.
The Problem with Gilmore Girls was the forcing out of the Pallidino's and the restarting of the relationship between Lorelei and Rory's father Christopher. That story arc and character had been dealt with and returning to it seemed out of character for Lorelai. The writing suggested the new show runners thought the gilmore girls was just another prime time soap opera so they just needed some random, emotional complications to keep things rolling. Luke's daughter became one of those goofy things but when lorelai went back to Christopher that was it for me and having any regard for lorelai. Yes worse than hitting on Rory's teacher in the classroom. Desperate Housewives lasted seven seasons? Didn't they figure out the murder in season one? Buffy being resurrected was fine. Spike gets resurrected. There were nine seasons of Scrubs? oh Oliver. And Poochy on Itchy and Scratchy. The Office without Michael wasn't a show. Maxwell Smart marrying 99 ruined the show and allowed a bunch of hack writers to make women driver and take my wife please jokes. Eric off the 70's show, Richie Cunningham off Happy Days. I liked the Reichenbach Fall episode. Lost was crazy stupid
To be fair Deborah catching Dexter wasn't what killed the series. Hell, the series is based on the first novel "Darkly Dreaming Dexter" and that's the book Deborah learns the truth about Dexter. I'm surprised they waited that long for her to learn the truth.
Agreed. I absolutely hated Season 5. Dexter just became so dumb and reckless after Season 4. I did not like Season 3 either to be honest and Dexter clearly didnt learn from that season
while the musical episode was an awful idea, it did not kill the show; the show went downhill from the plane crash onward... it just lost a lot of the charm and great actors.
Let's be honest we need a second part😂😅 they are more shows out there like Castle, Criminals Minds, The blacklist, Arrow, Veronica Mars, King of Queens, etc..
Nothing could ruin Veronica Mars! Not the third season (which was a bit cramped, but still good!), not the movie, not even what they did to Logan at the end of the last season (even though I would punch Rob Thomas for that part, if I ever meet him). The show is still brilliant and the writing is SO good!
25:44 But anyone who was actually a fan of Sherlock Holmes didn't see this scene as thumbing its nose at the fan base because anyone who was actually a fan thought that it was brilliantly parallel to the fall in the original books. Not that the series didn't jump the shark, but it wasn't with that scene.
Musical Episodes don't necessarily have to be doom and gloom for a show. Both Buffy and Scrubs had musical episodes that are considered among the best by their respective fanbases. It's all in the way they're delivered
TOTALLY AGREE!!! Not only did it ruin that last season, but it ruined the entire show for me. I can't even watch the reruns. That was probably my favorite comedy ever.
@@JaemeelRobinsonwhen the show is called how I met your mother but it’s not about meeting the mother, it’s about getting over her so you can date the real love your life, it gets people upset that the point of the show meant nothing
Probably a lesser known show, but The Magicians upset a lot of people with the end of season 4 when Q sacrificed himself to save the others. The problem was that Quentin was already a suicidal character and it felt wrong to have him manipulated into dying when they knew he wanted to anyway.
There's a reason why Sherlock Holmes always dies and then revives in every adaptation. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (it's original author) was getting tired and bored of writing about the detective, so he kills him in one of it's book, his fans didn't like that at all, so he was forced to revive him in a later book. That makes Sherlock Holmes' death and revival some kind of canon event
I was unaware of that. Did Stephen King take inspiration from this? The film adaptation of Misery was awesome! Annie Wilkes was none too thrilled when she learned of Misery's death. Fans forcing resurrection of their beloved characters is trending and seems to make the talent of good writers a bit of a curse.
Both are wrong, because they still had great viewings after. The episode that officially sunk the show and will ultimately end it (seems like they are any way), is grey leaving.
The greys anatomy episode was a little out there and caught me off guard a bit but I loved it. Really showed the characters innermost feelings in the best way
@@debikirch Grey's ended when Christina left the show. I watched a few seasons after that mostly out of habit or out of boreness, I think I stop when Alex left (the way they wrote him out really crossed me).
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Didn’t WatchMojo already made a video on this topic… several times?
The Walking Dead did not die at the cliffhanger, it was Glenn's death...
Leave Buffy alone, that episode was on purpose, it was to explore new feelings and thoughts etc. The whole show is perfect
@@UltimateDespairado That's what, in the TV business, they call a re-run.
After getting invested in "How I Met Your Mother," I seriously wanted to sue the writers after the ridiculousness ensued.
Same
I felt the same way after the final ep of Samurai Jack. 13 years for THAT?!
Same
I mean... they released a movie "How I Met Your Mother" a few years before the tv-show... and they honestly ended it very similarly. She didn't die... but the entire story revealed how his true love wasn't the one he ended up with (and subsequently divorced in the movie), and it was only through his children he realized they were always meant to be together. I'm not sure why people didn't expect him to end up with the on again/off again girl, that was kind always the point. I always felt the entire concept worked better as a movie anyway.
@@elementalcobalt1There’s a difference between spending two hours watching a movie and dedicating almost a decade watching a show... the end of the movie has no importance in this case, they could and did change it for the sitcom.
Greys anatomy died when mark and Lexie died, and then declined completely when Cristina left. The show never recovered from the loss of mark, Lexie and Cristina
I thought Callie and George were devastating losses to the show, too. I still watch it, but it just hasn't recaptured me like those first seasons did. It was a team of people terrified of messing up, exhausted, and excited to be doing something they've been training for for years. And now it's just... how many epic disasters can we put the remaining people through before they all die? Although I did like the Covid arc, because they really showcased how hard it was for all the people who had to work through it. The healthcare system STILL hasn't recovered from the loss of staff due to deaths and burnout.
a show always dies when more than half of the original characters leave. The show was so interesting at first but after christina left and derek died, the only plot lines were to have every doctor sleeping with each other and moving on to the next doctor
Disagree. Christina getting jilted was the jump off.
I agree AND I loved the musical episode!
Loved the show right up to 5 years ago, or even longer, when it went potty. It's now into the 20th season, and I have not watch the last 5 years. Too messy, new DRs. are KIDS and super immature and homely. Been watching re-runs of ER.
Thank you anyway, Grey's............................
Sherlock's seeming death and later illogical return are *literally* from the source material and any fan that felt nose-thumbed by it didn't actually know anything about Sherlock Holmes. In Conan Doyle's books, Holmes and Moriarty fought at Reichenbach Falls, where they both fell to their deaths. That was intended to be the end of the stories, but he was persuaded to write more later and so Holmes miraculously survived. Since it was never intended, his return was rather awkwardly executed, and the show Sherlock basically poked fun at itself with it. If people understood the source material, they would've understood the episode.
Fans weren't mad at his fake suicide. It was the execution that was criticized. Fake suicides are rarely a good twist in either case.
@@MegaMerdeux That's literally what I'm saying. Go back and re-read my comment with the idea that I'm talking about the execution and not the subject matter.
I agree. This is probably the best explanation of the Sherlock death !
People rarely read the source material.
But was that actually intended to be the final season of Sherlock? Otherwise it's copying source material without the same context. It was still poorly executed. Besides, I don't think that ruined the show, it was Series 3 itself that was substantially below the quality of the first two.
To be fair, Buffy's death was supposed to be the series finale until the series was bought by another nerwork.
Agreed, and with the writers staying the same and their commitment to always paying off big moments as opposed to glossing over them in 5 minutes of an episode, it had to become much darker. By the end though, it was great again. I loved every episode of the last season!
And while Season 6 is a difficult season of the show, I think picking the death is just an easy and unwarranted knock.
Now, 'magic is a drug addiction' from Wrecked/Smashed, killing Tara, Spike in Seeing Red, or even just Doublemeat Palace are all much better pinpoints.
Or even just Kennedy.
I think the show got cancelled and we never knew it
Sometimes it's just obvious the people at MOJO don't watch the shows they talk about
@@waterup380 As far as I am aware, it was decided by Joss and he and Sarah got them together to say S7 was it. To be honest, it wasn't that much of a surprise as the cast only had contracts up until then and when talking about it, it was clear in interviews a lot of them were going through the motions (lol). Joss, Nick and others have talked about it a few times because of Alyson and her claims that they only found out it was ending when they saw it on a magazine when she went on a bizarre passive-aggressive attack on Sarah a few years back, mentioning it whenever people asked as well as saying Sarah all but hated the show after S3, for some reason, only shutting up when she was called out about constantly going on about it.
Angel on the other hand got cancelled because of Joss and his arrogance. He always played the 'if you don't renew it this instant then I will take it elsewhere' card to force their hands as it was usually one of the last renewed each year but when it came time to decided about S6, he tried it again, they got sick of him and his threats and cancelled it there and then.
Everybody saying Carl's death in TWD was it for them. But for me it was when Rick left. We were there with him from the absolute beginning and it was HIS story imo.
It was the combination of the two for me
Uh if you know even a little about the comics it is CARL's story and killing him off made no sense. And thats when I stopped. Also the fact that Negan felt more emotion for Carl then Rick is messed up ( And i love Negan) So yeah its not Ricks story just because we started with him.
Damn I was around season 7. Shit... Carl died and Rick left? Thats alot of spoilers to process 😮
yesI stopped watching when he left
I got bored around season 5, so that's when the show died.
The last episode of How I Met Your Mother just ruined the whole series for me. We spent the last season with the planning and wedding of Robin and Barney, only to have them divorce and the mother just dying so Ted and Robin could be together. It just felt wrong.
How? Ted pretty much implies she is dead in Season 7 I think where he has that bar night with multiple versions of himself and Barny. The whole series has really been about Ted chasing Robin. Seasons 1-6 literally had almost nothing to do with "The Mother". The final season sucked because yes a lot of time was spent on the wedding and then years of content was thrown into 2 episodes.
Did no one see that coming? The writers wanted Ted and Robin together from the beginning.
@@julz3tt3honestly it seemed pretty obvious the whole time that Ted was telling the kids about how he met their late mother. I was more shocked that so many people didn't see it coming.
Only good part about Buffy's Resurrection is that she was pissed about it cause she was at peace. It at the very least had a fresh take on someone coming back.
Bruh, what? Season 6 was all about how adults deal with depression, financial strife, addiction, and young romance/marriage. In short, to quote Whedon, "The big bad of Season 6 is LIFE." Buffy's death kick-started it all.
"Only good part"?! There was no bad part. Anyone who thinks the show should've ended with Buffy dying young like most Slayers never understood the point of the show at all.
@@FrakkinToasterLuvva So say we all!
Not only that, she had to face her greatest fear, which was being buried alive and having to claw her way out of the grave. Brutal.
Disagree that it was the only good part, but I thought the same thing about their take on resurrection. It was fresh and emotional. It's also kinda funny that the reveal of her being in Heaven happened in a musical episode.
What started to killed greys anatomy was the plane crash and then destroying certain characters.
I started watching GA very very late in the game 😅 it was so good but I stopped watching at the plane crash. I was just like these people cannot get a break 😅😂😂😂
I'm so glad to hear that I'm not alone with hating that story line 😅. I was a bit surprised that they only mentioned that musical episode... I mean it was just one episode where nothing really bad happen, in the end they got the baby and everything was fine. But the plane crash changed everything! It killed beloved characters, changed beloved characters and introduced some weird ones... I'm still mad about it after all those years 😅..
@@sisterstaketoo1981😂even Christina told Meredith to just quit the hospital. She was like:'we've had hostage situations, bombs going off, a plane crash; this place is cursed!"
That’s when I stopped watching it!
I’m going through the entire series from start to finish. For the first time. And my hypothesis so far is the only person who exists is Mer. It’s her private hell. Everyone else goes away or dies or is murdered or has an accident. She survives. Because she has more pain that she has earned.
For me what really killed the Office was promoting Andy to Michael's position and how it changed his whole character and office dynamic. I enjoyed the whole quest for a new manager and the introduction of Robert California and had Andy not played the part he did for the remaining season I still would look back on post-Michael Scott Office very fondly
I was sad about Michael leaving (he really was the heart of the show), but then mad with what they did with Andy. Also Toby and Oscar. Toby went from being awkward, meek, and likeable to stalkerish and creepy. Oscar went from intelligent to arrogant. And Kevin just got dumber and dumber, going from kind of silly to incompetent and fireable. I still like the show through the ending seasons, but these things bothered me.
I loved James Spader in that role
Yes!! The season following Michael’s departure was actually pretty good and is very underrated! The final season felt like it was just spitting in the face of everything that came before it
Andy was an asshole in the beginning, he got soo much better, then became an asshole again. So dumb
The U.K. version was so much better trust me
Fonzie "jumping the shark" should have been #1.
That moment coined the phrase that meant a TV show had reached a point of no return.
The ENTIRE TIME I was watching the video I was thinking the SAME EXACT THING!!
@@tdevries4290ditto!
Disagree. Too well known, which is why it has become synonymous with a show having lost its spark.
But the shark was inside that circle in the end? How?
You’re so right, I was born in 87 and even I recognize that as jumping the shark, and I know exactly what it means!
Disagree on House, the series had been leading to their relationship for a while it was the way they dismantled it and wrote Cuddy off because they didn't want to pay her that ruined the show.
Facts we all knew they would get together at some point i still enjoyed every season though
Agreed. House driving his car into Cuddy's home felt forced to me.
Everyone took a paycut to give the money to the final season and episode. Lisa Edelstein refused, said she was more important than Hugh Laurie and quit. That’s her problem. They tried to get her to return for the series finale and she DEMANDED a massive payday, restating she shouldn’t have to follow the same rules as everyone else, was better than Hugh, and refused so that’s on her. I’m sorry, but the show wasn’t called Cuddy’s show, it was called House M.D.
@@Trekapedia When did she state that she was more important than Hugh Laurie?
Lisa Edelstein wanted to be given a car in lieu of pay for the last episode - it was supposed to be a gift for Laurie, but she wanted it for herself. It was detailed with a big picture of Kutner on the hood, and she said that since House never cared for Kutner, she should get the car, because it was more in line with her character. Then she turned into a block of cheese, and obviously you CAN'T have a block of cheese acting a human part, only a cheese part. Then she was sliced up and plated with olives and crackers, knowing FULL WELL that Laurie was allergic to olives. Laurie died of an allergic reaction brought on by a piece of kumquat that fell on to one of the olives, and then got re-plated elsewhere. Lisa Edelstein was moved to a female prison on mars, where they keep her in a permanent state of giggles. I have proof of all of these things in my wallet, but I can't find my wallet.
Hardcore disagree about House. The whole point was that he botched that relationship too because of how broken he is.. so he had to go back to doctoring.
Their relationship completely ruined the show. House acted completely out of character (specially after cuddy dumped him for the dumbest reason ever). He literally smashed his car into her house without even knowing if she was in the living room. He could've killed her, which is something he'd never do. Then him faking his own suicide (despite the fact that house was against suicide, he actually gave a little speech explaining why he's against it after Kal Penn's character killed himself). And his best friend, a oncologist having cancer was another cliche lazy twist. That was basically adding salt to several injuries. I love Dr House, dont get me wrong. But the show had very bad twists and weird arcs (like Dr Hosue in prison)....
@@MegaMerdeuxthe cancer twist may have been predictable from a trope standpoint, but the relationship between Wilson and House was really cool to see change. Cuddy should have never been a thing that actually happened, though. Maybe he got close enough to success before she pulled away at something stupid he did, driving him further up his own ass or something. But not what they gave us.
Mom Cudy and dr. House were incompatible, that was the problem
What they should have said for House, was Cuddy leaving the show or killing off Wilson.
Yeah but that show really did fall off the cliff before it was over
I know it's been said but I strongly disagree with Buffy's death/resurrection being on this list. If anything it gave us Once More with Feeling which is probably one of the best most unique episodes of not just Buffy but in TV history. It's beloved by many and wouldn't exist without her death and come back.
I think they kinda fix it with the"I was in heaven, not hell" type of thing. But Buffy dyuing was still a weird move.
I've said before and I'll say it again I think Once More With Feeling is the single best episode of TV ever. It has a really good self contained story and it moved the plot of the season and character developments that had been brewing for years and the songs are good and catchy. It works for non-fans and works better for fans.
@@juliapalos2077 It wasn't even the first time Buffy died. I would argue that the addition of Dawn was the weird move.
Agree. Buffys death was good and lead the series to something new
@@submarinereflection305 I agree, adding Dawn was super weird, and keeping her after she stopped being the key, it was even worse. Her character didn't have charisma or relevance for the plot after that. But the first death of Buffy lasted like 2 mins and it was not a cliffhanger. The second death of Buffy was at the end of the season, so the only thong that made sense is something I read, they were about to end the show, but then another company bought it and wanted the show to continue.
I literally had a violent reaction to the end of how I met your mother. Words don't describe the feeling of betrayal and under cutting the shows own rules/sensibility for lazy writing that they just didn't want to change the ending they already filmed for the show. Unbelievable
💯 agreed that show was my favourite until i watched its ending and it turned into one of worst shows
@@mohammadfarzand4839 Yeah the ending really sucked with it killing of the mother who we had waited for so long and who genuinly was such a good character they introduced in the 9th season. that and going back to robin who ted had spent the whole season trying to get over. Thats why i think the alternativ ending is better were they meet at the train station and introduce eachother and the series ends there
same here, same. It never feels the same to me once the finale was aired. I feel like I wasted my time.
You admit to having a violent reaction, to a fantasy world not ending the way you wanted it to? wow.
@@tylermcnally8232Shut up
The writer's strike killed Heroes period. Before that it was incredible. What we got after wasn't even the same show.
Nah the season where Peter went to Northern Ireland was so lame.
Exactly. The first season was great. Everything went downhill from season 2 onwards, when the writer’s strike occurred.
@mollyfarrell. I had never heard about Peter Petrelli going to Cork before now. I read your comment. I was horrified. I watched some videos. I grew up in Belfast and I think those vids just traumatised me! What the heck was that‽
@@alisoncassidy3255 it was so STUPID...horrifying nonsense
Season 2 had issues that needed addressing, but the Writer's Strike and subsequent decision to end the season early to focus on retooling the show was a BIG mistake. They effectively scrapped all plans and then had too much time on their hands to work on season 3, leading to overthinking and second-guessing that culminated in season 3 being a convoluted retconning of season 2. It's like how there were valid criticisms of The Last Jedi, and then JJ Abrams overcorrected, scrapped everything, and made the entire purpose of Rise of Skywalker to be a retcon of Last Jedi, the end result being a half-baked, underwritten, pandering, contrived attempt at basically making a big budget version of a Star Wars fan fiction film you would see on RUclips.
Buffy's death really doesn't belong on this list. The show had been canceled so they killed her off. Then another network bought it, so she needed to be brought back. I actually thought they did a terrific job of doing this.
They certainly did the best job they could with it. Buffy's chronic depression throughout season 6 was a very clever way to turn the concept of resurrection on its head
Thank you! I said the same thing. They're just looking for stuff to fit on a list.
@@kierancawley3990 And the chronic depression makes all the more sense when she reveals that she was in heaven until her friends brought her back to life.
Incorrect!
My main problem with it was when it was revealed she was in heaven to her "friends", they didn't seem to have consequences or feel sorry about it. Like there was no talk about it, everything was back to normal
After all these years, Game Of Thrones still hurts
That show was EVERYWHERE, absolutely massive fandom. The most mainstream that kind of high fantasy has been since the LOTR movies, and then it just disappeared.
At least it had an ending, unlike the STILL unfinished books which are nothing like the show.
@@pat2rome It became completely un-rewatchable. It could have been huge, but no, it's a series you watch once, then put away and never watch again because of how bad it gets.
@pat2rome The higher you are, the farther you'll fall. Fans and non-fans could see that coming (not the ending per se, but the disaster) from miles and miles away (season 4 to be precise).
@@Alastair_ It isn't like that, I think the red wedding was well executed and I keep coming back to Tyrion's judgement every now and then (despite the actor). It's just that people built unachievable expectations after that.
Elsa forming out of nowhere like the T-1000 was hilarious 😂
I wouldn't call Buffy's a 'fake out' death in the traditional sense. It was supposed to be a permanent death. But even when they started the 6th season she's still very much dead and they have to actively try to bring her back
Good point!
Yeah I feel like her resurrection was fine. There was a lot of potential with the resurrection plot line but the route of making Buffy bad/irresponsible didn't suit her character at all and the overall season (s6) was just so boring to watch. Dawn was also an annoying character and even more so in s7 like this girl shes just a freaking ornament and the audacity she got to kick Buffy out of her own house even though Buffy literally died for her like wth....no respect... I feel like introducing Riley and Dawn definitely brought the show down....
S4 was boring too.. but thats just my opinion
What irresponsible arc??? That never happened. WILLOW was the irresponsible one, not Buffy.@@z-almas4845
I always thought it was just an exit from the network and they always planned on her coming back. (At least after based on what I heard.)
In any case, for me I had seen Buffy face every possible situation with increasingly difficult villains, starting as basic vampires and ending with a god as the boss of season 5, I just felt after that there wasn't any reason to watch.
I did watch the last few episodes of season 7 to see how it totally ended. I will say Buffy got a great series finale...twice. 😂
@z-almas4845
You're not alone. I know a lot of people didn't like Dawn.
I don't either like or mind Dawn.
To me, she's a character you're supposed to be annoyed with.
It's like a villain you hate.
It's cause the actor and plot are good.
Maybe Dawn was necessary for season 5 but hurt the rest of the show. I can't say.
I thought they missed a big opportunity to explore new things when Buffy could have been in a cool new dimension from the portal. (Well cool for us, not her.)
Same as an episode of Angel season 4 he goes through a portal, and while he does some stuff there, it was too quick.
Then again, different dimensions cost a lot of money to produce.
Grey’s died when they killed Lexi and the plastic surgeon. It was never the same after that.
OMG YESSS I dropped after their deaths... WHAT EAS WRONG WOTH THW WRITERS!?
Mark. McSteamy. Dr. Sloan. You know...Grey Sloan Memorial? Did you even watch the show?
If I remember correctly, Sir Arthur Conan Boyle had actually tried to kill off Sherlock because he hated writing him, but people lost their minds so he had to bring him back. I believe it was set up as having faking his death to capture Moriarty or something. It's been a bit since I've read the books.
*Doyle
yeah, it's also a thing in the Sherlock Holmes movies too, but at least they left it at did/n't he die - it could have been done better in the show with maybe one or two episodes without him and Watson getting the itch to get back into things and solve some cases on his own
Definitely feel like Derick’s sudden death in Grey’s Anatomy was more of a deciding factor than a musical episode lol
I stopped watching it a couple years before he died, after Meredith and Derek broke up for the 50 millionth time
Yea..the musical episode was a bad episode but not show killing. Every great show has a bad episode
I jumped ship when they killed Little Grey.
This is the first I heard about Grey's having a musical (I never watched the show). I've always hated musical episodes but they play well in kitchy shows (Buffy, Lucifer, etc). Who would ever think doing a musical in a serious drama would be a good idea?
I loved the musical episode, and cheered when Derek died. You have to watch it as if it's a soap, not a medical drama.
Rick, the main character, leaving & never returning was what "killed" TWD.
Ironically though, the rest of the season was pretty good. Afterwards…not so much.
Agreed! I loved Rick!
Rick leaving the show and making Negan a good guy made me RAGE QUIT!! 😡
Well, he's back next month.
@@frankcortes6852 Negan wasn't made into a good guy, but instead a changed man. Nothing wrong with that.
Just dropping in to be that guy...Buffy's death wasn't a "fakeout." She died. Willow resurrected Buffy from heaven, something that was a major driver of the musical episode later that season. Which by the way is "a musical episode at best" example, because that musical was amazing. Willow's discovery that she had taken her best friend out of eternal peaceful rest to be alive again is a gutpunch. The "witchcraft = drug" crap was definitely the low point of season 6 and the series as a whole.
Agreed. The Buffy musical was one of my favorite episodes. I also really liked the one in House
See this is a debate with Walking Dead fans, those who really weren't committed to the show and being a fan of it walked away when Negan killed Glenn. That was supposed to happen in the story, for other fans what killed the show was when they killed Carl off, he was supposed to make it to the end
Exactly
@@williambragg6171 maybe for some people who think Glenn's death was too much, they probably grew up watching nothing but Disney movies and never had witnessed such graphic violence before in the horror genre. They would probably suffer PTSD if they watched the terrifier 1 and 2
@@MrX965785055 Yup. honestly, the graphic novels handled things better than the show.
@@MrX965785055i agree. You can literally see the change in tone after that episode where glenn bashed in. They never had an episode as gory as that after. Negan was talking to us when he called ricks group a bunch of pussies lmaooo.
Glen was not only my favorite character, but that moment was just so terrible, I decided to mostly stop watching. I did watch more but it wasn't enough to keep me interested.
I will admit in Dexter, when Deb confessed her love for him it was a little weird and felt forced.
That was such a terrible twist. Lets pretend that never happened.
@@lealmelisa terrible isn’t even the mf word. I also think Rita’s death was brutal ASF.
@@lealmelisa they did it because Michael and Jennifer were dating at the time which was extremely a bad idea
Also Deb should of turned him to finish his "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" arc they built up since season one
i remember being appalled by it cause they built their relationship as siblings throughout the entire show and then they just turned around and used the oh technically they are not blood related so it's
Oh that was so cringey. I also wonder how they would have fared if they followed the ending of the first book where Deb found out about Dexter.
Could not be more wrong about Buffy, as it being one of if not my favorite show of all time the resurrection and her climbing out of the ground is an epic scene and the show continued to be fantastic
Turning Willow into the Big Bad is what killed it for me.
Kennedy killed it forme.
I pooped my panties while watching the show and it killed it for me
@@BlackLotus30 Good thing it was on it's last season, then.
Came straight to the comments. Willow going dark & being the antagonist was brilliant, imo. I thought the Trio was so lame watching back in the early '00s.
You missed one: The Blacklist, Liz's pregnancy! She couldn't stop talking about her baby for a minute, much less 30 seconds and get on with her job. It was a really bad switch in tone going from Reddington's list of baddies to Liz's constant baby drama.
That's what killed the show for me.
Nobody watched that show though
When they suddenly pushed "The gender pay gap" in season 3 I was out immediately
@@adamazzalino5247 Thats why they made 10 seasons...
Let's not forget lizzie's fake death. Miss Kaplan orchestrated the whole thing to separate her from reddington. So she can have a normal life, that plot really hurted the show. And ended Kaplan's life, literally.
I wanted to watch that show, because I love James Spader, but I couldn't get into Liz and apparently she didn't improve
Disagree with Buffy inclusion. I think Ms. Mojo should have acknowledged that Buffy's Resurrection led to one of the rare moments when a shows "Musical Episode" made sense. "Once More with Feeling" was relevant (not a dream sequence or unacknowledged one-off), fit the shows theme, and had a powerful reveal at the end.
Yes 👍🏼
Chills thinking about once More With Feeling
@@jennamarie2481 now I have to log in to Hulu to watch lol
That's your opinion, not a fact. "Grey's" and "Scrubs", for example, had very coherent musical episodes. Get off your high horse.
I dont recall much, was it the ep where Buffy says he resents everyone for bringing her back because she was in heaven? that was brutal.
I can confirm that Neegan's rants and him killing Glenn were the straw that broke the camel's back for me. It had already gone to shit and I never watched a second after that.
Me too!
Huh? Neegan always kills Glenn, thats from the source material. The negan character was done perfectly. There are a thousands of things wrong with TWD. Neither of those two things are on the list.
@seanbroccoli2698 I knew it then and I know it now. It didn't change the fact that Neegan's rants and the whole crew being held at gunpoint for full episodes was as appealing as a plate full of piss. Listening to The Governor just talk for a whole season was bad enough.
My point was that Glenn's death and Neegan going on and on about nothing was where I stopped watching. That is not incorrect, no matter how special and clever you are. You read the books before it was cool and all that, but my comment wasn't wrong.
Me too. I never read the comics but Glenn was the only character I liked and found interesting in the TV show, so after he was killed, I couldn't be bothered to watch. Maybe other characters are more interesting in the comics though.
@@seanbroccoli2698 It already sucked in the comic books and made me finally stop reading them as well. Neegan is a terrible character for little edgelords and nothing else.
Arya killing the Night King in his first attack on Westeros was the exact moment the series turned into joke for me
Im reading the books. I think Arya will be more awesome in the books that could justify her badassness to kill the night king (Im about to finish book 4, which is the last we will read about Arya or Cat from the cannals) I think it's implied that she has to die to become a faceless assassin. Man if Im right, thats badass. But what we see in the series feels cheap.
still makes no sense
Optimistic to think there'll be any more books@@tokyworld
@@tokyworldI wish I still had your faith in GRRM to write a book.
Arya killing the night king still makes no sense. That wasn’t even her story line it was Jons
Glenn's death put a severe crack in TWD. However, Carl's death smashed the show to pieces.
That's exactly when I stopped watching.
I almost stopped watching after Glenn's death but pushed through. Carl's death was the end for me. That was the death of hope. Carl was the reason Rick had been trying all that time, and then he was gone.
@@zoyadulzura7490 I felt the same way about the decision to kill Catniss sister in that trilogy of books. Removes the entire point for her volunteering. The entire ending where she has a family but none of it makes her happy because her sister was killed reads so hollow. We are saying having kids and a happy family never erases the pain of losing a sibling ever?
I totally agree… I put up with Negan killing Glen but when Karl died I just quit……
I never even made it to Carl's death after Glenn first fakeout death and then his real death. When I heard about Carl I was just like "Yeah that tracks. And I don't care".
Quantum Leap… Dr Samuel Beckett never returned home.
That was the worst moment in TV history.
No, what really happened is he kept leaping from one body to another throughout time, eventually he landed in the body of Captain Jonathan Archer in the 22nd Century. 😉
Buffy's death was a masterpiece
Buffy dying should in no way be on this list especially how the show dealt with the trauma of her resurrection. This makes it sound "Look guys shes back and everything is fine now!!"
What I loved about Buffy was that they had the main character work in fast food to pay the bills. Most other shows are very insulting to average workers so it was a nice change.
Bran was definitely my biggest issue with the final two seasons of Game of Thrones. He appears extremely cold and uncaring in those last two seasons.
He is cold and uncaring. He's the Three Eyed Raven. He doesn't really care or want anything anymore. He's like a detached observer.
A lot of angelic child actors end up with a face for radio. (Jaden Smith!) Nobody talks about it, but I think it's hilarious. The opposite is FAR worse though. I'm trying to watch Harry Potter 1,2 and 3 with the kids and Emma Watson's child face reminds you of her adult face. I'm not a paedo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@MajesticalHonky
Yea, I was waiting till the last seconds of GOT to see a closeup of Brans face, opening his eyes and they would be ice blue. I was really thinking this would happen! ...
He woulda been the perfect new Master of Secrets or whatever the job The Spider had. but they stupidly wrote him to be King lmao the living computer is King smh
@@PricefieldPunk I honestly think they could have kept him as king if they'd done something else with Jon. I was hoping the Aegon Targaryen thing would have had more consequence in that final battle--like maybe Jon and Dany face off and Drogon recognizes Jon as blood and won't kill him or something... Jon takes his position as king, restoring the Targaryen bloodline to the throne, which is what Dany wanted. She comes to her senses, honors Jon's claim to the throne, she lives. For her crimes against King's Landing, Jon exiles her back to Mereen which ends up being a blessing since she's a queen over there and the people actually love her--it's where she belongs and she's happy to return home. Jon is king but, we all know he just wanted to be free so, as king of the seven kingdoms, he accompanies the wildlings to establish a northern kingdom north of the wall. Bran, with all of his wise three-eyed stuff, is hand of the king and is left to rule in Jon's absence. Sansa is queen of the north, Arya goes on her adventures.
Similar ending in terms of where most people end up but a much more satisfying way to get them there....
Cuddy and House were a perfect match; showcasing House's growth since the show began. When Cuddy's actor refused to continue that plot we suddenly got terrible Psycho House, Rapping House, Prison House, and Motorcycle House
But Psycho House gave us Hamilton's King George so I'll call it even.
I agree, but they still made it work.
Loved HOUSE, great actor. Disliked Cuddy Could have done without that romance.
There was nothing wrong with Cuddy and House getting together. Instead, it was House going from being a brilliant student of human behavior to being an absolute moron and having no idea he should be there for his GF's surgery. I mean, gimme a break.
@@ArtofFreeSpeech they did that when they were trying to excuse why Cuddy would leave House.
@9:30. In fairness Buffy Season 5 was originally the series finale. The show was cancelled and then brough back so it wasn't planned as a fake-out, the creators wrote themselves into a corner thinking the show was over and then had to scramble to backtrack when the show was revived. And it's worth noting that Buffy's resurrection was the prologue to the Dark Willow arc which pretty much singlehandedly saved Season 6.
House went into the crapper when they threw the Cuddy romance out the window and he ended up in prison. I would have rather the show ended with a happy, clean, and sober House than the way it did.
This one. This is the one.
You're right, but just like in real life, cancer ruins things.
I thought Buffy storylines when her friends brought her back from the dead were great! I especially enjoyed the Buffy and Spike dramas, and so did everyone I knew at the time.
Plus her sacrifice makes sense. She did it to save Dawn. Then her friends think she's in a hell dimension because of what Glory was trying to do. So they they try to bring her back. Then Buffy is SERIOUSLY depressed through that entire season, which ends up making all the more sense when it's revealed that she was in heaven.
This is where watch mojo got it wrong, it wasnt the resurrection itself that fans didnt like, it was the change of tone, overall themes and pacing
S6 was a very jarring change of tone, overall themes and pacing that made it hard for fans to get behind back then.
But now after all these years later a lot of fans have come to appreciate and really like S6 and 7. Including me
I myself think, that while S5 is my favourite season, season 6 of buffy is the shows strongest and best written season
@@shadowphoenix1696 her attitude made no sense! You would have thought she;d be grateful for a second chance and to see her friends again! Couldn;t she have seen them from Heaven and seen how screwed up it all was without her? Plus now that she knows Heaven exists, you would have thought she;d do her best to be good to ensure she COULD go there again someday, not jump into bed with SPIKE!!
Hell if God forbid IO died, went to Heaven and then had a second chance I'd be thankful and I'd practically be a mercenary. I'd do my best to do good an go around saying, "It exists!! Heaven is real!! It's true, it's true, it's real!! You wouldn;t believe how wonderful it is!!"
I would have treated Heaven like a mini vacation and a preview of coming attractions.
@@shadowphoenix1696 Like you, at the time it aired I wasn't really feeling the season as a whole. It's one that needs more than one viewing in order to really grasp its brilliance--same for season 7. But when you get it...wow. Very layered, complex and nuanced writing. There's a reason why people still watch and discuss the show to this day.
No, just NO.
Here's one that most of your viewers are probably too young to have seen.
Bonanza was to have had Hoss getting married in an upcoming season. Tragically however, Dan Blocker passed away before the season started. So they ended up having Little Joe get married, then killed his wife off almost immediately. I remember my whole family was shocked. And if I remember correctly, Bonanza only lasted another season or two before going off the air.
wow; my 30 year old son "what the hell is Bonanza" Also, didn't the Newhart Show end with something just as silly as Dallas' "the entire past year was all just a dream? I believe they were in Vermont for a year or more and they final scene, homage to Dallas, they were back in their Manhattan apt. (had never moved.)
@@esciteach7997 The Newhart finale was making fun of Dallas, and was HYSTERICAL!!! I watched it when it originally aired. In some circles it's voted the best finale ever.
If you know Doctor Who, you understand the Sherlock issue. Creator Steven Moffat often has the most brilliant ideas for stories…but no clear ending to those stories. Sometimes, he can pull off a complete beginning, middle, end. But more often, he kind of fizzles out, unable to come up with a believable ending that works with the plot. Then tries to cover it up by saying something like, “Well, what do YOU think it means? That’s up to interpretation!” 🙄 A lot of Whovians predicted he would pull this when we saw that season ender.
There's a reason why I fizzled out in the Moffat era when watching Doctor Who, and that was why. Chibnail was meh at best. I'm looking forward ti seeing RTD back at the helm though. It was a shame though the way Sherlock went, because I don't think we'll ever get a better pairing than Cumberbatch and Freeman.
IMO Dr. Who needs to go back into hiatus for another decade and start again in 2035. Let all of these stories mellow and pass out of the consciousness. Relying on David Tennent to jump back in to revive the series and remain the DR. at the same time as another DR is ALSO out there was such a cheap cop out.
Agreed on the Moffat shows. They start out amazing, and then somewhere along the way they just get needlessly complicated and messy.
Cumberbatch and Freeman were the absolute best pairing ever. I think I could get on board for a "Season 4 was just one of John's nightmares" scenario to re-set the characters (sorry not sorry - Mary never happened, and neither did Eurus or Abusive John). It'll never happen, but boy do I wish it could.
I feel that way about most of Heinlein's novels. He starts off strong but eventually writes himself into a corner that can only be resolved by a deus ex machina moment. His short stories are wonderful, though!
Actually I think what put a lot of people off the Negan storyline in the Walking Dead was how gratuitously excessive and vile that culminating episode was.
indeed. I was a die hard TWD fan, I would watch it and re-watch it, I would watch podcast about it later on the week while waiting for the next week's episode and I would talk about during lunch time with my office mates, everyone making theories and guessing what would happen next. And all of that was gone during the Nega storyline (which btw, they did better in the comics, especially with Glen's death) but after that I just lost all interest and till this day I don't even know how it ended
Agreeed. I watched every episode until the Negan storyline and then just stopped. I never even watched the end.
Same here. Loved the show before Negan. I tried watching the next season, too, but didn't make it very far. His violence was so over the top it was repulsive, and I never watched the rest.
I just stopped watching it after Glen's death. And I never went back.
Killing Glen did it for me also. That whole introduction to the show was excessive.
Dan being gossip girl is a textbook example of "we didn't know who gossip girl was, so we just picked somebody in the last season".
And it was terrible…absolutely terrible
I remember crying my gd eyes out when Buffy died...and being absolutely stoked when it came back. I was young, I learned a lot from the season after that. Even though it was dark, many of us were younf teens and needed to contextualize some dark stuff like we always had w Buffy. I loved it idk haha
Yep! Pretty much everyone I know dropped out of The Walking Dead because of the episode with Negan murdering Glenn. It was incredibly graphic and very cruel. A very unpleasant episode of television, and the death of a character all viewers loved.
It was faithful to the comics where Negan killed Glenn the exact same way.
That, however is how Glenn died in the comic TWD is adapted from, which is a big reason his fake-out death earlier was unnecessarily. Fans of the book knew how Glenn died and they weren't falling for it.
@jstos3675, I responded before seeing your comment. To add to that, I had already dropped out of TWD because of all the changes they'd made in adapting it long before the Negan arc. I might pick it up again at some later date, but I stopped watching after season 1, and from what I hear, I didn't really miss much.
Characters have been brutally dying on the show since its inception. I don't understand why people thought Glenn was untouchable when there was always a good chance that he would die.
Glenn was my favorite character. I quit watching after his death because I no longer cared who lived or died.
I kept watching for about another season or so after Glenn's death. After the season Carl died I quit. Glenn's death hurt and was horrifyingly brutal but I do think it served a purpose. However, Carl's death just seemed stupid and pointless to me. For him to make it through all that he went through and then get randomly bit and die? No, I was pissed. I finished the rest of the season but I haven't picked it back up. At some point I will because I am interested to see how it all ends, even though there are like, what 2 or 3 spinoffs now?.
You missed Castle. It should have had a happy ending with a wedding at the end of S6, instead they stretched it beyond breaking point with the CIA/LokSat story line over the last 2 seasons. The ensemble cast had gotten too expensive so they had to make cuts and this affected the show, together with the breakdown in relations between the two leads.
To go back further, before WatchMojo's ken, "McMillan & Wife" was a hit show which was killed by killing off Susan Saint James's character after Susan became too uppity about her contract.
I didn't hate the Elsa part on Once Upon A Time. It wasn't my favourite, but it was ok. For me what killed the show it was season 7. It wasn't as good as it was at the early seasons, but for me it was ok. But season 7 without half of the main cast, the whole Snow White family it was ridiculous. The downfall started with Robin's dead, but season 6 was somehow good. But season 7 not, it was horrible.
I absolutely agree. I actually liked the Frozen storyline. What I hated was the way they killed off Robin and left Regina alone again. She too deserved a happy ending. The final season, I always think of it as a fever dream. It was so bad and unnecessary.
I would say Gossip Girl (2007) died the minute they did that awful Ivy Dickens plot line, Buffy when they introduced Dawn, The OC died when Marissa got killed off, Gilmore Girls jumped the shark when they did that awful Rory sleeping with Dean plot line in S4/5 and OUAT died when they did that awful Neverland plot in s3
I agree totally with your Buffy and Gilmore Girls comments. Though I would argue maybe GG started a bit earlier with Dean marrying that other girl and everyone kind of knowing it was a bad idea. It just went downhill from there.
The Neverland plot in ouat was brilliant! Really good imho. The last season on the other hand was... well... not the best writing. Watched it anyway though, lol
For TWD, it was Glenn’s death, and not the cliffhanger that did it for me. Never looked back, and don’t regret a thing.
Glenn's death was gruesome but it was exactly how it happened in the graphic novel.
But that's the actual story... it's how it happened in the original graphic novel. It was a great plot point. Get over yourself.
@@OptimusGPrime😂😂
Same. I just did a TWD rewatch and completed the entire series. Glenn’s death is a clear marker in the decline of the show. The quality and development of some main characters especially.
Same. Don't care that's "what happened in the book." The way the show handled it from about three eps before to the slaughter itself was the show's death knell for me.
Bran: "Why do you think I came all this way?"
Me: "THAT'S NOT AN ANSWER!"
To be honest, Game of Thrones died when Cercei had killed the two main families storylines of King's landing.
Don't get me wrong, that sequence is absolutely chilling. But it did nothing.
Cercei became Queen just because, there's was no unrest, Civil War or even impact amoung the people.
When the political drama died, it became mostly lazy writting.
Preach on!!!
To me what went wrong in GOT
(and this was from reading the book, so Martin's fault), when Cercwi the greatest villain was stripped of her power by the religious fanatics.
It felt cheap and bad writing that didn't fit.
It wasn't as bad for the show cause the plot moved faster. For literature it was dry.
I actually liked Heroes up until the last season. It had its problems, for sure, but it was still enjoyable until that final season where they changed all the rules and went back on the messaging the previous season had built up. They ruined the characters of Hiro and Claire, but what angered me the most was what they did with Sylar. He was the most compelling character on the show.
The moment when Beth died in TWD really felt unfair. We watched a whole season about it and to have such outcome ... That was problably the first bad idea they had.
that felt like an insult
Honestly, I Wasn't Even A Fan Of Beth And I Didn't Like Her That Much...But Her Death Pissed Me Off So Much, It Was The Exact Moment I Stopped Watching The Show...
Beth was the single most useless character in the show aside form that Nicholas douche who unalived himself and almost got Glen killed in the dumpster scene. Beth brought it on herself by stabbing that woman when she was free to leave. The saddest part about that scene is that Maggie had to lose yet another family member.
@@militiamama9444 I disagree. Beth and Daryl were going to form the most pure and childish couple in the series and give a very refreshing vibe after all the shitshow in s3. They had amazing chemistry and Beth had a solid character development that whole season.
Edit. I low balled Daryl's age by at least 10 to 15 years so thus my conclusion 😅😂 Still i think in a zombie apocalipse age should matter less.On this note , Carol was looking like 60+ whilist Daryl looked half her age .
@@eleazarmoraru6532 My stance has more to do with her overall usefulness to the group, not her romantic/emotional involvement with people. Her Dad was a medic, and the moral compass for the group. Maggie served as protector/scavenger alongside Glen. Daryl was a "jack of all trades" hunter/scavenger/protector. Carol has the best character arc of the entire series, she suffered even before the apocalypse, and she was meant to look older to play into the role of the abused wife/mother, even though her character was late 30's early 40's. Daryl is mid to late 30's and Beth is 18-19, but again contributed nothing to the survival of the group, in fact she lead the group(especially Daryl) into danger more than once. Daryl always aims to save everyone, and if she hadn't died, he would have ended up dying to save her eventually.
I think a lot of fans of "The Fairly Oddparents" have agreed that Poof wasn't the beginning of the end....it was the dog and the girl (which I stopped watching in between their introduction and Poof's). Poof was adorable!
I feel the same way except with a different show. Everyone I know says that the introduction of Dil in Rugrats was the dropping point, but I actually really liked Dil. Tommy's new older brother role and "sponserbilerie" towards Dil was heartwarming.
Kimi was the culprit that I believe was the ending point for Rugrats.
i loved poof. I remember being the excited to watch the next episodes during the whole poof thing.
i ended up outgrowing the show so thankfully i never got to see the dog and girl
@@LadyDecember Which gave Tommy a new way to overcome his issues from the movie. Great reference there. The series was well planned, it was just worn out by then
I haven't even seen that show and I already like Poof just from this video, haha
Loved that show!!!!
Dexter was my favorite show. The Deb plot really did change everything. It was sad.
Buffy never jumped the shark! Season 6, the Dark Willow season was one of the show's best. Grey's Anatomy jumped the shark when Izzie and George left.
Dark willow was amazing
True!
Agreed! Season 6 def had its problems but I recently rewatched and actually think many of the choices they made revitalized the series after the move to UPN.
It was the second-worst season, after 4
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You ever notice that season 4 is almost always the worst season for a TV show 😂
Many fans don't believe that about Buffy lol. The whole storyline made sense for the last two seasons.
Buffy was changing networks between seasons 5 and 6. She died on the one network and was resurrected with the new one. It made sense with the plot and circumstances at the time.
Thanks for mentioning that the spin off of scrubs was never intended to be a continuation. But you left out the fact that when it aired, it aired as Scrubs: Med School.
It didn't become "season 9" until they had to sell the DVDs.
As a die-hard X-Files fan I fully agree with William's parentage completely ruining The X-Files. Screw Chris Carter.
And it's so funny to me how pissy Chris gets when fans' reaction is brought up. In an interview he tried to pay it off that CSM is not actually the father. Chris said, "fans aren't asking the right questions about what CSM is telling Skinner" what a copout
@@charliedavis5787 He realized having a feminine icon basically being a victim of "medical rape" twice wasn't a good idea and he lost support from most of the fans. There's some sad little shippers who think a 55 year old being pregnant in the last episode was a good thing.
No, the show died when Mulder left. I never finished season 8, and didn't watch any of the rebooted versions except for 2 episodes out of morbid curiosity. Seasons 4-6 remain some of the best TV ever made.
@@danm5911 Only for people who thought Duchovny was the show. I never did.
I actually enjoyed the way Sherlock didn’t fully explain how he did it, even though the last theory is probably the closest. Season 3 in general is under appreciated imo.
I agree. I liked Mary's backstory and sacrifice. Season 4's introduction of the sister was what threw me off (i.e. selective amnesia.) That and the nonsensical season 4 finale put me off.
I disagree with the Desperate Housewives entry. I don’t think it was the disaster episodes but the inclusion of Renee that killed the show.
i feel like the first 3 seasons were great and then that timeline switch ended it for me
It was Edie's death for me. The show was just never the same after her departure.
That show was a disaster from the start
For me it was Tom and Lynette getting a divorce. They've managed to survive him having a secret child with another woman, but broke up because they got bored at a b&b? Come on!
@@teedollap5293 Well, to be fair the time jump is probably what allowed the show to continue past the 4 seasons. Should it have? That's up for debate. While they are not as good as season 1, they still had great moments (and IMO season 6 is one of the best)
The Dallas finale with Bobby coming back not only affected that show but it also affected its spin-off series Knot's Landing. The seventh season of that show coincided with the ninth season of Dallas and there were comments made on the show about Bobby's death One of valene's babies was named after him in honor of that. So when in season 10 they showed him coming back to life it put Knots Landing in a completely different universe.
I was a bit young to watch the show at that time. But wasn't Bobby killed off in the first place because Patrick Duffy wanted to leave the show, then decided he wanted to come back.
@@karenhall4645 Yes, he wanted to leave and do something else and the other thing you wanted to do and didn't work out well so he they asked him to come back to the show and their way of bringing him back was to just pretend that that entire season didn't exist.
@@clancyalexander6192 The show he ended up doing was Man from Atlantis which lasted one season mainly due to the fact that the show was dire
And then Married...with Children did it, too. Grand Master B, anyone?
@@RaiderDave-xe1pn He did Man from Atlantis BEFORE Dallas started.
The only mention of Buffy in this video should have been it's phenomenal musical episode Once More With Feeling inspiring other TV shows into thinking they could do a musical too. Buffy's death was handled very well and it had major reverberations throughout the final two seasons.
I never weatched HIMYM, but even I was like "What?!!!" when I hear and most of my friends were pissed off. Truthfully, I think it should've ended with Tracy walking in and being like "You telling stories agian?"
As someone who watched the show every week for 9 years I would have liked your ending better.
The problem was the writers knew how they wanted to end the series when the show began, and they stubbornly stuck with it instead of letting the show and characters naturally choose their direction. That's why it felt forced and wrong- because they had to shoehorn in an ending that no longer fit with the narrative.
There was no problem with the ending, it was telegraphed masterfully but folks wanted to stick to their head canon.
@@JaemeelRobinson I assumed the mother was dead pretty much from the beginning it just doesn't make sense why you'd tell such a long story like that without the mother herself there. Regardless though the way it was done was pretty bad but even worse it came at the end of a disastrous finale season that all took place over a weekend instead of over almost a year like the other seasons.
Its silly because it was implied she was dead much earlier than the finale. In one episode Ted says he wished he had more time with her. Not only that but the majority of the show actually has nothing to do with him meeting the mother. The best seasons of HIMYM are all about Ted chasing Robin.
Negan showing up and killing off Abraham and Glenn wasn't the point that killed the show, it was when the creative team behind The Walking Dead show fired Carl Grimes' actor Chandler Riggs and killed off Carl that's what killed the show
I disagree. I hated Carl. I couldn't stand his character. I kept hoping that one of the times they had to yell his name to find him, yet again, would be the last time. When Rick was "rescued" was when it died. Not that episode, but the ones following it. The search for him was fine, but we NEVER heard from that group again. Why? They'd made an appearance. Did they just vanish back into the woodwork? Felt like it. I almost forgot....when everyone started abandoning Rick's daughter to go "look for him" was just dumb. Machonne was her "mom" and she and Rick had a child together. Then she just leaves them both behind? In a world of Zombies? Stupid!!
Most these I've never watched but the ones that I have I think it’s a pretty fair assessment. The stand out exception is Buffy. I thought the later episodes where some of the best in the series. These weren't kids anymore and growing up means facing darker realities.
How I met your mother had one of the if not the most atrocious ending in the history
Yup it was basically "Ted uses women as a backup plan because he can't get over the first chick who banged him "
I remember arguing with other fans of how Ted was always the asshole not Barney at least he was honest about his dating life
All Ted did was gaslight Robin and other women into dating him
And not counting he cheated on Veronica (the original mom) who was good for him with Robin because he made excuses to bang Robin
Yeah, as much as I hated "king bran", this one was even worse.
Absolutely terrible take.
I am a fan of the X-Filex, but you already see after seasons 5, that the writers had already told the story. Not everything was bad past this seasons, but you could see that there was not really a plan and it got worse with the new seasons. Do not force a show to go on, if you have nothing to tell...
True AND some of my favorites are S6 & S7 and 10 & 11 have some of my favorite episodes ever… and worst.
Being a fan is a rollercoaster
Season 6 is good, season 7 gets to the unwatchable range... I didn't like how the wrapped up his sisters story either. Such a good show, should have ended with the movie.
I think they had, but they channeled all stories to feed the struggling cousin show Millennium, which became a huge success and got a cult following (I dare to say the same cult following migrated from X-Files)
X-Files was left for those not-so-into Millennium, thus with the same slow burn fake conspiracies going.
@@MalissiaCreates S7 episode "Closure" is one of my favorite of the show. And I genuinely believed it was the series finale the first time I watched it. It would have been perfect to end the show there
@@radicalmatamune omgoodness yes! Just mentioning it and I’m immediately reminded of the ending with Moby’s haunting song My Weakness playing while he sees the children.. tear evoking scene, it’s giving me chills now. Truly beautiful episode.
31. “Felicity Smoak, you have failed this omelet”- Arrow
32. WW2 holodeck fiasco- Star Trek: Voyager
33. Dim and Juicy documentary- The Rookie
34. Killing off Professor Arturo- Sliders
35. The Timeless Child- Dr. Who
Season 3 was pretty bad. They took a good character and made her super whiny then flip her to be like an ultimate badass. I swear, writers dont know how to write female characters. They want to make "strong" female characters so rather than building one, they just make one apear out of thin air. Arrowverse was awful for that. Iris and Felicity just nochalantly taking out trained armed guards, or diving off buildings performing tasks no normal human being could just do without some form of training. Just awful.
Negan killed The Walking Dead for me... Not because he killed Glen, but because he was an impossibly over-powered villain. There was no way he could have known everything he knew about the show's heroes (what they were going to do, their exact location, etc) unless he had psychic super-powers. No fault to the actor that played Negan, but he was just a badly written character. It was as if the writers wanted to outdo the Governor, but went a bit too far!
He killed it for me too, after what he did and all the chances they had to kill him, they put him in a cell ? they would have/should have killed him. I stopped watching shortly after that.
Right? And then the wanted us to root for him after Rick went missing? No thanks, I hate him eternally. And he reminds me of my douchebag former boss with that smirk.
That's funny considering a lot of people prefer Negan to The Governor.
Right, it wasn't about Glenn for me, it was about Negan. He was way over the top as a villain.
Nobody ever cites it but for me end of the show was the fake-out death of Glen where it seemed like he was dead and then two episodes later you find out he somehow survived a giant hoard of zombies by hiding under a dumpster. It wasn't long before Negan shows up.
I'm surprised Westworld wasn't mentioned. The moment that killed it for me was the "genre" episode in season 3. The whole season was basically aesthetics over substance, but that one was the final straw for me. Such a shame, after that masterful first season.
Westworld should have been a limited series instead of an ongoing one. First 2 seasons were fantastic and had so much to say about humanity. After that it was just generic sci-fi robots vs. humans.
@@HeadCannonPrime Yea, I think it was season 3 when I dipped as well. Whichever season that takes place off-world. I noped out immediately. I watched for WESTWORLD, not the adjacent world.
it took me 6 months to finish season 3. Season 4 took me 2 days. That one was good.
Genuinely shocked Supernatural wasn’t on here! After season 7, it just took a nose dive
I think the Buffy arc was very well done and so emotional for all the characters. They depicted the struggle for everyone with the repercussions so thoughtful… doesn’t belong on here I think. And I think every show develops through its run.
But her attitude made no sense! You would have thought she;d be grateful for a second chance and to see her friends again! Couldn;t she have seen them from Heaven and seen how screwed up it all was without her? Plus now that she knows Heaven exists, you would have thought she;d do her best to be good to ensure she COULD go there again someday, not jump into bed with SPIKE!!
Hell if God forbid IO died, went to Heaven and then had a second chance I'd be thankful and I'd practically be a mercenary. I'd do my best to do good an go around saying, "It exists!! Heaven is real!! It's true, it's true, it's real!! You wouldn;t believe how wonderful it is!!"
I'd have treated the death as a mini vacation and a preview of coming attractions.
@@colleen4ever Buffy descrived precisely a depression. In earth she was fighting the dark, she was a murderer, she had to take difficult decisions, to lose people, always fighting then she died and she was in peace, but when she came back she felt alone, cold, unhappy, depressed, she was in hell again.
Buffy is a back-to-life arc done well.
Jon Snow's death meanwhile was of no consequence. Just a plot device to make him leave the Night's Watch
@@colleen4ever The show explained more than once that she was in Heaven, she was happy and they ripped her out of it. Why should she be happy or grateful for that? She's obviously suffering from depression the entire season. She spend the last five years constantly fighting and was for the first time at peace and they ripped her out of it to go back to saving the world. There's nothing to be grateful for, nothing to be happy about.
You keep saying this and I keep thinking you must be very young or maybe not spiritual in any sense of the word. @@colleen4ever
Desperate Housewives was great but the last 2 seasons weren’t the best.
Hated them killing Mike.
Me too
Nip/Tuck in my opinion managed to out-jump the shark even Dexter. I started watching it thinking it'd be interesting to see a show about plastic surgeons and their stories about various crazy clients and what extreme or sad things they'd ask, and ended up watching a show where they killed mobsters and hid their corpses, and serial killers chasing them. If it had any more seasons they'd probably introduce a robot from the future forcing them to give him human skin ala-terminator to blend in and take over humanity, and how they'd break into a secret facility to bust out laser rifles to kill it.
Ummm maybe go back and rewatch Nip/Tuck because they get involved with mobsters and hide their corpses in the FIRST EPISODE. I've always said it is Ryan Murphy's only show that didn't go crazy because it started out crazy from the beginning.
These things happened very early in the show. It's like criticizing games of thrones for having too much political schemes....that's the point...
I lost it for Nip/Tuck when it turned into soft porn. If I want to watch porn I'll watch porn. I don't need it in my TV programs. And Liz and Christian having sex with each other was pointless, just gross. That's when I stopped watching.
@@saltydog7038Ryan Murphy 😮? Ooooh, that’s why that show was so awful! 😂
Negan did the first hit but Carls death was the killing blow
Negan can do lots of wey can show his power
But he shows the lowest 😂
Stupid
Coral.
Carl was the downfall agreed, it made me quit the show entirely. Didn't pick it back up and finished it until like 3 months ago.
Well said. I continued to watch TWD after Glenn's death to see how everyone would seek revenge. But when Carl died & I still liked the characters but I didn't trust the writers.
To be completely honest though, for those of us back in the 70's, Fonzie jumping over that shark was a big deal. You have to realize Jaws had just come out two years before, so sharks were in the public conscious. Just like a few years later when Star Wars came out everybody was scrambling to figure out a way to have some sci-fi space element in their stories ( which Happy Days also managed to do ). In retrospect The Fonz jumping the shark was a moment that made everyone realize that Happy Days wasn't the same show that it had started out as, but everything is a lot clearer in retrospect.
Happy days was never that great a show to begin with
Though I dug it as a kid, in retrospect Happy Days was just not a good show past its early episodes. It started started out as kind of a warm look at family life in a bygone era. It had a poignancy and sweetness about it that just disappeared as the show moved further away from that and into escalating weird situations. The evolution of Fonzie from a tangential character as a soulful tough guy with a motorcycle into the major character -- and an almost magical being at that epitomizes the arc of the show from decent to awful. And don't even get me started on Mork or Spike or Pinky or Chachi selling his soul. Ugh.
@@dashx1103yes but unfortunately ‘Happy Days’ did not do very well in ratings in it’s first couple of years. It was only after they pushed Fonzie to the front is when everyone started watching it. We all loved Fonzie. Guys wanted to be him, girls wanted to be with him, to be able to do things like he did (starting a jukebox by hitting it). Happy Days would not have had the success it did without Fonzie being front and center
@@SteveJones-gz3nd I understand that. It’s kind of sad.
@@dashx1103 ehh I have to disagree. Everyone loved Fonzie
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I'm perplexed by the idea that "The office is one of the most influential sitcoms of the 20th century... so far." Does someone have a time machine, or have we forgotten what century we're in?
Maybe one day I'll be able to get past an episode or two of this (and similar shows).
Quality control? In a content mil? Perish the thought!
Must have fixed it since then as they said “twenty-first”
Says ‘21st’
What, no entry for Pushing Daisies? A show that also suffered from the writer's strike of the mid-2000's
It pains me to this far.
This was a brilliant show in every way and I consider it an absolute tragedy that it was killed by the strike.
You got one of the greatest and most anticipated Villain introductions on TV ever with Negan only to be left pissed off for the next couple of months waiting for who died, and after the mid season finale teasing another main character death. What should've been TWD's greatest era became its downfall
I actually really liked Buffy s6. It wasn't about thinking she was actually dead for me, but how they were gonna bring her back. And the season long arc of where she was and if bringing her back was the right thing to do, was a great way to acknowledge that she was actually dead and not just a gimmick.
Agreed! She wasn't "fake" dead. She was dead dead! Willow's magic brought her back!
@@lilletrille1892 But that's why it made no sense!!! You would have thought she'd be glad for a second chance and top see her friends again! Who WANTS to stay dead even if you ARE in Heaven? I'd be thankful for another chance, and hell now that I know Heaven is real I'd practically be a saint to make sure I could go there again...NOT jump into bed with a vampire!! I'd be telling everyone about Heaven and saying it's real, it;s real, it;'s true!!
(I would treat a second chance as a mini vacation and a preview of coming attractions)
The depression did make sense. Think of how much crap Buffy went through as the slayer. She went through so much pain, loneliness, and heartbreak. She sacrificed so much of herself and was finally free and and at peace, but was pulled from that peace by her friends.@@colleen4ever
@@colleen4ever I think you missed the point. Buffy's life was basically eternal struggle, fighting and death. Her being dead and in heaven was actually her reward for having such a messed up and painful life. Them bringing her back was like prolonging her torture. I personally think just about ALL of Buffy was really well done with a few minor mis-steps.
The Problem with Gilmore Girls was the forcing out of the Pallidino's and the restarting of the relationship between Lorelei and Rory's father Christopher. That story arc and character had been dealt with and returning to it seemed out of character for Lorelai. The writing suggested the new show runners thought the gilmore girls was just another prime time soap opera so they just needed some random, emotional complications to keep things rolling. Luke's daughter became one of those goofy things but when lorelai went back to Christopher that was it for me and having any regard for lorelai. Yes worse than hitting on Rory's teacher in the classroom.
Desperate Housewives lasted seven seasons? Didn't they figure out the murder in season one?
Buffy being resurrected was fine. Spike gets resurrected.
There were nine seasons of Scrubs?
oh Oliver. And Poochy on Itchy and Scratchy.
The Office without Michael wasn't a show.
Maxwell Smart marrying 99 ruined the show and allowed a bunch of hack writers to make women driver and take my wife please jokes.
Eric off the 70's show, Richie Cunningham off Happy Days.
I liked the Reichenbach Fall episode.
Lost was crazy stupid
To be fair Deborah catching Dexter wasn't what killed the series. Hell, the series is based on the first novel "Darkly Dreaming Dexter" and that's the book Deborah learns the truth about Dexter. I'm surprised they waited that long for her to learn the truth.
Agreed. I absolutely hated Season 5. Dexter just became so dumb and reckless after Season 4. I did not like Season 3 either to be honest and Dexter clearly didnt learn from that season
while the musical episode was an awful idea, it did not kill the show; the show went downhill from the plane crash onward... it just lost a lot of the charm and great actors.
Let's be honest we need a second part😂😅 they are more shows out there like Castle, Criminals Minds, The blacklist, Arrow, Veronica Mars, King of Queens, etc..
OMG Arrow! When Felicity got out of the wheelchair. Just no!
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i love castle
Nothing could ruin Veronica Mars! Not the third season (which was a bit cramped, but still good!), not the movie, not even what they did to Logan at the end of the last season (even though I would punch Rob Thomas for that part, if I ever meet him). The show is still brilliant and the writing is SO good!
@@최지영-y6eI SO expected NCIS to be on this list.
The finale for "Lost" was completely preposterous. The fans deserved a better ending for that show.
25:44 But anyone who was actually a fan of Sherlock Holmes didn't see this scene as thumbing its nose at the fan base because anyone who was actually a fan thought that it was brilliantly parallel to the fall in the original books. Not that the series didn't jump the shark, but it wasn't with that scene.
The series finale was the thumb of the nose. Horrendous.
When the episodes started revolving around Sherlock's personal life with no more solving crimes, it started to fade.
Scrubs wasn't supposed to feel like a continuation. It was supposed to feel like a brand new show.
8 seasons of Scrubs - 1 season of Med School. Period
The good thing season 9 gave us was Nicky Whelan 😍
Musical Episodes don't necessarily have to be doom and gloom for a show.
Both Buffy and Scrubs had musical episodes that are considered among the best by their respective fanbases. It's all in the way they're delivered
I loved the musical episodes of Grey's Anatomy and Buffy
Daria and Xena had musical eps that the fans liked
The musical episode in Riverdale was the last one of the show I've watched. It made no sence to do that and it was simply ridiculous
And northern exposure had a fantastic musical episode.
At least "Game of Thrones" had an entire season to go off the rails. HIMYM jumped the shark in merely three minutes!
Say what you will about Season 8, but it wasn’t as bad as I thought it’d be, although King Bran was a head-scratcher for me.
This is what happens when people rush a TV series, instead of just waiting for the rest of the book series to be finished.
TOTALLY AGREE!!!
Not only did it ruin that last season, but it ruined the entire show for me. I can't even watch the reruns. That was probably my favorite comedy ever.
It's insane people think HIMYM was ruined.
@@JaemeelRobinsonwhen the show is called how I met your mother but it’s not about meeting the mother, it’s about getting over her so you can date the real love your life, it gets people upset that the point of the show meant nothing
Probably a lesser known show, but The Magicians upset a lot of people with the end of season 4 when Q sacrificed himself to save the others. The problem was that Quentin was already a suicidal character and it felt wrong to have him manipulated into dying when they knew he wanted to anyway.
Love that show. I've rewatched it so many times.
YES!!! My favorite dang show of all time! I still cry when I think of the “Take on Me” scene. 😭
@@AthenaBethBlack Mhmm. Any other version of the song I even think of that scene.
You’ve got that right
That was such a good show and I hate that they did that to him. Definitely should've gotten a different ending (after a few more seasons)
There's a reason why Sherlock Holmes always dies and then revives in every adaptation. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (it's original author) was getting tired and bored of writing about the detective, so he kills him in one of it's book, his fans didn't like that at all, so he was forced to revive him in a later book. That makes Sherlock Holmes' death and revival some kind of canon event
I was unaware of that. Did Stephen King take inspiration from this? The film adaptation of Misery was awesome! Annie Wilkes was none too thrilled when she learned of Misery's death. Fans forcing resurrection of their beloved characters is trending and seems to make the talent of good writers a bit of a curse.
Killing off Derek is what killed Grey's Anatomy. The musical episode was beautifully done.
The musical episode was kinda cheesy
Killing off Derek Shepherd made me stop watching the series
I loved the musical episode too - it was fun. And Callie singing 'Chasing Cars' and 'Grace' made me cry so hard.
Both are wrong, because they still had great viewings after. The episode that officially sunk the show and will ultimately end it (seems like they are any way), is grey leaving.
Agreed 100% about Derek. The musical episode was fine, it wasn’t a big enough deal to kill it and the show had a lot of great seasons after it.
The greys anatomy episode was a little out there and caught me off guard a bit but I loved it. Really showed the characters innermost feelings in the best way
And didn't killed the show. We're on the 20th season and counting.
Exactly! I LOVED the episode! And some of them have some good singing chops!
@@CoCeauxA The actress who plays Kali is in Broadway
I agree.. Grey's Anatomy ended for me when they killed Lexie and McSexy. The plane crash was just too much for me
@@debikirch Grey's ended when Christina left the show. I watched a few seasons after that mostly out of habit or out of boreness, I think I stop when Alex left (the way they wrote him out really crossed me).
Buffy season 6 was amazing in portraying adulthood because it is that dark! One of the best seasons, in fact the last good season it had :p