Avengers VS X-Men
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2024
- Today on Variant, we matchup the Avengers and X-Men, breakdown down the power sets for both teams, and see who would come out with the victory!
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It depends highly on what incarnations of each team are fighting. I can't choose a winner because I love both so much.
Nice pic btw
;)
@@Mr.Wayne.1 thanks 😊
The Original teams - at the height of their powers, would be an epic battle.
Professor X - Onslaught
Jean Grey - White Phoenix of the Crown
Beast - Sublime
Angel - Archangel (via Uncanny X-Force)
Iceman - AoA
Cyclops - Cyclopalypse (Merged with Apocalypse)
Vs.
Captain America - Soldier Supreme
Giant Man - Pymtron
Iron Man - Godbuster Armour
Hulk - Heart of the Monster
Wasp - Captain Marvel
Thor - Old King Thor
@@pious83 put a pissed off wolverine somewhere in there
@@dro9075 Original teams.
Second Genesis Avengers, I'm not overly familiar with. The team led by Cap, consisting of Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch and Hawkeye. I think?
In which case:
Quicksilver - X-Men Movies
Scarlet Witch - Avengers: Dissembled/House of M
Hawkeye - Goliath
Second Genesis X-Men, at their peak:
Wolverine - Death
Storm - Elemental
Sunfire - AoA
Colossus - Juggernaut
Thunderbird - Undead
Banshee - hasn't really had an all-powerful version...
I’m with the mutants
Facts this war started once Cap order Scott to hand over his daughter
Avengers slam but mutants are better characters
Cable has solo'ed the Avengers. Rogue has as well. Mutants are God's chosen ones.
Mutants all the way.
"Wanda killed 95% of the mutants and resurrected them again"
And Franklin Richard couldn't do that? As you said yourself he literally created a pocket UNIVERSE as a kid, I'm sure he could kill 95% and resurrect them 10 times over
And Hope than just copies she's powers and you got like Franklin and Wanda against Wanda
Gets*
@@codri9932 X-men For the win yk🫡
@@codri9932 she can only copy mutant powers tho
@@stunna6269 She could just copy Franklin
The key word is reality manipulation. That what makes wanda powerful. But x-men have a lot of people that can manipulate reality.
Mutants are hands down the most OP group in comics.
Maybe in marvel in DC theres groups that would wooped them
Nah justice league stomps them , especially now
Marvel's Annihilators is the most powerful superhero team to have exist in comics. They'd beat the X-men, Avengers, and Justice League 10/10 times any day.
Nope DC have literal cosmic gods that curb stomp Marvel into pink mist. Sorry not sorry
@@requiem1123 nah I’d have to disagree , Superman , Martian man hunter , Wonder Woman & green lantern can go toe to toe with them , that’s not including Batman , flash , hawk girl , green arrow & canary. Especially wonder woman now , she solos that whole group.
Remember Wanda only casted no more mutants with the aid of the Life Force and even then it didn’t effect omega level mutants (including Jean who was in the White Hot Room where Wanda’s spell couldn’t reach). Also, since Wanda couldn’t undo her spell, it took the Phoenix coming to Earth in AvX and Hope Summers expelling the force to restore mutants. Again, it was Hope Summers/Phoenix Force, not Wanda, who restored mutants. There’s literally comic panels of the Cucoo sisters stating what Hope did. Also, Jean as the Phoenix becomes White Phoenix of the Crown. Who unlocked the full totality of the Phoenix Force. Which is stated to be the 2nd most powerful entity right behind TOAA. Even the Beyonder(s) wouldn’t dare tread in the White Hot Room where the Phoenix lives.
While I love Jean and Wanda, it’s no comparison between the 2. Wanda can do minor reality warping while Phoenix has omniversal reality warping skills.
A lot of times when you read/hear about some of the powers these characters have, you wonder how are there “battles?” I mean a lot of them can just destroy reality, or maker their opponent not exist. So how would there be a fight?
Great comment
If they are a good match up they can counter or nullify each other’s reality warping then it comes down to other abilities.Rune king Thor has many of these abilities to go with his physical ones
100%
This is why I generally prefer characters with much more limited powers and more down-to-earth stories
@@Ninjersey1 Yep
We use to call this Plot no jutsu in my circles.
Yeah but the X-Men would just send someone back in time to warn the mutants and they'd take out SW, but then Strange would do some fabric-of-reality manipulation, triggering the mutant reality warpers and then all bets would be off...
Could make for a fun story!
Facts
The X-Men have 2 reality warpers including Hope who can duplicate powers. How do they lose?
Exactly!!!!! They will kill the Avengers
exactly
They’re mutants that warp reality which means she could remove their powers as she’s done in the past.
X-Men abilities trump the avengers raw power imo
Logan alone would take out 90% of them...thor and hulk would be the last two to deal with.
@@rustyshieldstorm beats Thor
I know more about the Avengers, but I’m pretty sure the X-men would win. During the Avengers vs X-men storyline from the early 2000s, Professor X alone managed to put an entire battlefield of Avengers and X-men to sleep. Take all the telepaths on the X-men collectively and they can do that on an even greater scale. Then, anyone still standing after that can be dog piled by the rest of the X-men.
Also, considering the great mental abilities of the X-men I don’t see Wanda as such a massive threat as the telepaths can just break her mind (which history proves isn’t difficult).
Additionally the Avengers don’t have many (or powerful enough) telepaths on their side to prevent the attack from the X-men telepaths. The Avengers have like Moondragon and … I think that’s all of them. That’s another point from the same Avengers vs X-men issue I was referring to before.
Pretty much,and Storm could probably neutralize Thor. Not sure what you would do about Hulk and Captain Marvel though.
@@gamblertoguru382 yeah, professor x by himself would probably be able to stop the avengers. He would be able to stop wanda before she does anything if he really wanted to. Regarding the heavy hitters, they would also fall to prof x. The thing about prof x though is that he has morals. In the event prof x fails against the heavy hitters, there's Franklin Richards who will take care of everything and probably make them his heralds
Yet hulk alone in world war hulk almost took all of the xmen so.....
@@BFBMTb wanda broke proff neck lol
@@Sarnt_Eskie yeah. The thing with proff is he has his morals. He is one of the most powerful telepaths and can read the minds of others and also control them. But his morals always prevent him from doing so.
the x men absolutely mop the floor with the avengers. Avengers cant just win because the have 1 overpowered character x men have the quality and quantity over the avengers way more powerful people overall
Thor using energy manipulation and magic as regular rather pretty much can end all the xmen. Jean Grey without Phoenix, magneto, storm, iceman would all be toast in less than 1 minute simultaneously. But he's a God so not fair. But Jean Grey as Phoenix is not fair either
Put aside Wanda since shes Magnetos daughter, Thor would destry them X-men without a sweat lol.
@@nesq4104 Hes a god sure, Phoenix Force is ultimate power as well, so what ? Its pretty equal in those teams, but Avengers have much more power, like Thor, Wanda or Steven.
There are so many counters to Wanda, though. For reference on any of the 100s of them, just read any comic where the X Men go against the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. She is a regular, and not unstoppable by any means. She is high end powerful, true, but so are so many other characters. I noticed that you brought up Galactus for the Avengers, and failed to mention that time that Franklin Richards made Galactus HIS herald to fight the celestials, lol. You know, when they survived the universe being erased, and Franklin remade it from scratch? Good times.
Also, even in House of M her spell wasn't 100 percent. Even one reality warping mutant missed by her spell would be the end of avengers. Franklin for the win.
@@jonahuniqorn952 to be fair she did that spell at the pinnacle point of her emotional instability. If you put these characters at their best and at complete control then she could've easily made the spell 100%. That's just what I think tho
Nightcrawler can teleport right behind her and cut her head off. The end
@@memphis3553 she doesn't even have to be looking at him to stop him lol. Try again.
@@noturmum7967 she better be fast enough to react in time
6:07 For years, I’ve thought that Rogue had the potential to be the most powerful X-Men member due to her power absorbing ability. Today, you informed me that Hope Summers can essentially do the same without the need for physical contact.
I’m with the X Men not the Avengers, I’m a Mutant through & through.
Avengers are mutants too...
@@christianarias4850 lol
Same. Team Mutant beats Avengers any day. And Wanda is a Mutant first Avenger second. This video is a mess.
@@christianarias4850 Aren't most of them mutates?
@@christianarias4850 that would be Wolverine and Rogue.
Franklin Richards also made Galactus his Herald so he's on the same level as cosmic entities like Eternity and The Living Tribunal. This makes him easily more powerful than Wanda. He should have been the focus of this video.
LOL Franklin Richards is no longer a mutant! Look it up!
Who's now a human 🤷🏽🤣
@@IrugaZERO Right man I wish everyone finds comics lame again so they can be great again 🤷🏽🤣
The living tribunal is far above galactus so you can't compare
@@IrugaZERO Legion can do all that Franklin and Wanda can do. So that point is moot.
Naw naw, if that’s the case, we can say professor X can just take over everyone’s mind and make them stop breathing. Or ice man just freezes everyone’s lungs or brains. Or Franklin just stops Wanda from warping reality by taking everyone to a pocket reality. Come on man.
Did you see the new doctor strange movie?
Some Avengers such as Sentry, Hulk, Thor, and Hyperion are immuned to those techniques that Ice Man would use...so, it wouldn't work on them.
@@samskyverareddy3135 “movie”
Lmao watch dr strange 2…
I mean you’re not wrong all of them can do all of that but it all depends on what the writers want.
Jean Grey in White Phoenix and Dark Phoenix can smash Scarlet Witch in few seconds. White Phoenix power can change past present and future. In comic, Scarlet Witch once used all power that she got to attack Phoenix but nothing happened even a scratch.
A vs x came out when I was in middle school. I remember my brother getting me the hole collection. I will always be team X
Im going with the xmen 🤷🏾♂️
This didn't mention the biggest deciding factor - the Avengers have much greater aggregate plot armour. Way more characters who can carry an individual series, way more characters who can carry a movie franchise. If it really came down to it, this one would be a wash, ending with an all-powerful interdimensional being named the Living Corporate Lawyer appearing to sell off the X-Men's rights to Hulu or something.
This was a great read my friend. Well stated
😂😂🤡
X-Men no doubt, dark Phoenix enough said end of story.
Yet xmen was the vastly more successful comic series sales bare that out.....before the mcu nobody felt the avengers were anything special....outside of hulk and may e captain America and hulk is more.known for being a solo character then a part time avenger
The X-Men have Legion. As unstable as Wanda can be, but infinitely more powerful.
It would come down to four characters: Franklin Richards, Legion, Hulk and Wanda. Everyone else would be dead.
@the reason 🤣Good one.
@the reason delusional
Forgot Thor too
@@stunna6269 He wasn't forgotten. Because he can die. It might take more than most, but both he and even Dr. Strange wouldn't outlive the four mentioned above.
Hulk gets gagged🤡
Hope Summers powers are the same as Sync’s powers. Sync came out first.
THANK U for mentioning "Blue Marvel"...he NEEDS the recognition, and deserves to be in the mcu.
He needs to be in the comics more in general lol
@@justindesue9512 agreed...
If jean had the phoenix force at the time Wanda erased the mutants she could have probably prevented it not to mention if the white phoenix cared to do something about it.
The witch didn’t do that under her own power though,she was enhanced by the life force,she had a tremendous boost in power. Which was why she was never really able to undo her own spell. The mutants have entirely too many omegas to lose this fight.
yeah lol it's like taking the most powerful version of scarlet witch & saying all the Avengers characters win, it's a half truth, just wiping every1 out of existence like Thanos isn't really fighting a war. In everyone's base states with no super power ups the mutants are stronger in an all out war ... also he didn't mention they have a weakness that the mutants don't, no telepaths ... all the ppl the mutants have, Professor X, Emma Frost, Jean Grey means the avengers have zero experience dealing with mind attacks.
If it was Thanos you wouldn't be saying oh he had the infinity gauntlet or Jean Grey, would you say oh she was enhanced by The Phoenix Force? Just ✋
Wanda is a god level mutant and deserves some respect. Also, she depowered mutants before she obsorbed Chthon and The Darkhold.
@@kevinkevin1820 of course I would because those are separate feats from their base forms and it wasn’t the darkhold it was the life force and no,it was because of said boost that she was able to wipe out most mutants from the omniverse. It was specifically covered in the children crusade and for the people in the bacc Wanda isn’t a mutant.
@@jluda468 I never mentioned anything about life force. I said she absorbed The Darkhold. Furthermore, you don't know comics aswell as the narrator of this video.
@@kevinkevin1820 no I mentioned that it was the life force that gave her that boost which you felt the need to correct and say it was the darkhold,which it wasn’t. Clearly I do if I know what feats are base or boosted and from what comic to support said statements. Try reading them yourself sometime and maybe one day,you too,can fact checc something. I love this channel and will continue to do so but they’re not the ultimate know all knowledge of comics.
Dark Phoenix would toast everyone.
It depends on who's on the team at any given time. Also depends on the writer. But in universe? X-Men steam rolls
Didn’t Spider-Man take out the X-men by himself?
@@moreno803 he did casually
@@moreno803 funny thing is, months after that story he fought Wolverine and almost died
They already did this in universe and the X Men needed the Phoenix force to compete.
@@DesX42S it was a weak version pound of Pound x-men wins hands down this is without prep time
I think you are over evaluating scarlet witch. The Phoenix force jean could take out Wanda solo
@Ryan Wall, Facts 💯
@@ANKOBROWN no
@@hellosunshine3199 yes.
@@ANKOBROWN the phoenix force didn't whisper away 90 percent of the strongest race in the universe.
@@PorksG but Hope Summers (with the Phoenix force) restored and put power back in the lost 90 percent.
Wanda definitely feels like the deciding factor but she originates from the x-men and ha seen a part of that team as well. Just like Wolverine. He's mainly been an x-man but he was also a part of the avengers so really the determining factor would be which team she sides with. So my question is how and why did you decide that she would be with the avengers fer sure?
I remember Wanda being in X-factor and X-force with her brother,, but, I don't remember her being in the X-men team. Must've been after the house of M storyline.
Wanda has never been a member of the x men and has been against them on the brotherhood of mutants or on other teams with the avengers.
@@jordanintheflesh2589 didn't think so
Exactly what I want to know. She is a Mutant and would fight along side with Mutants over the Avengers. No way would she choose Avengers over X-Men. Even in recent comics she is working with Mutant kind, its even mentioned in this video. Why the hell Variant put Wanda on team Avengers is beyond me.
Unsure why she said no more mutants as she is one. But in this battle theirs 2 teams. So she wouldn't erase mutants in general.
Avengers are strong muscles
X-Men will just trap everyone and destroy one by one. Like fighting Dr strange he just stops you in the air and it's over you can't do that to mutants who can change reality as well. They have more on the mutant side
Storm alone can handle most Avengers aside from Thor and Hulk depending on what Hulk it is
Facts
Lol 😂 y’all just mad it’s ok
@@_treelz158 Um....what? Lol...why would you think that let alone write it?
Storm can’t touch Thor my guy is literally the god of thunder and he has made a fool of her before when she tries to use storms against him so he’ll destroy her quickly
@@andresmendoza5740 Well I did say aside from Thor...meaning that she can't take him....so good job.
All I can say is this. Back in the day, I and my friends played the RPG 'Marvel Superheroes'. There were six players and a GM on any given date, and we were evenly split as to which 'team' we favored. So, the one person of us who did not actually care one way or the other decided to run a 'danger room simulation' between the X-Men and The Avengers. This was in 1985, so this would be the teams from that period (including Captain Marvel/Monica Rambeau and Starfox/Eros in the Avengers and Rachel Summers/Phoenix and Longshot in the X-Men). We were all comic readers and collectors as well as seasoned players of the game. We went at it for seven hours. The end result was a complete draw. Each team did what they could. It was just too even of a fight once it was all said and done. (My fave moment was when the Avengers played their main 'card'... Starfox flew up to me (Rogue) and tried to 'seduce' me into touching all of the other X-Men. As Rogue has a very powerful resistance to mental attacks/incursions, I just smiled and touched him with a punch instead.)
I would love to see this turned into a movie
oh its happening ;)
BEGGING the gods of Marvel, PLEASE make it happen!
It's definitely gonna happen. Problem is living long enough to see it.
Yall, we didn't even get a straight Civil War movie. I doubt we'd get an Xmen V Avengers film...
@@usernameisjackie But we still got it...yeah it was different cause of movie/character rights but we still got it. Whether you like it or not we still got it...so no reason why we won't get this in some form.
It's funny how they've gone head to head in the comics when many of the X-men have also been Avengers, namely; Storm, Wolverine, Beast and Quicksilver. Beast and Quicksilver were also members of X-factor and X-force respectively.
Video ends at 5:31 😂
I’m a DC guy personally, I don’t have a dog in this fight. But objectively speaking. Hope Summers can just copy Wanda’s ability (amplify) and undo/negate everything Wanda could do. And because said ability is amplified, Hope beats Wanda. X-Men win this.
Saying the Scarlet Witch is the reason why Avengers beat the X-Men is a BS argument considering SHE’S NOT EVEN A FULL TIME MEMBER. (Yes I’m an X-Men fan for a reason.) Fine there’s a reason why her most infamous event was House of M but idgaf lmao. Most of the time the Avengers teams don’t even have there strongest on there teams. Avengers have only like 2 god like beings on there team X-Men usually pans out to 4 gods I mean Omega level mutants (yes I will make an argument for Rogue and Wolverine).
Coming from another x-men fan I'm interested in ur reasoning for Logan lol I'm tired of people stroking his dick cuz as cool as he is he can't and shouldnt be able to take out anyone on Avengers except maybe hulk if he's lucky and that's a BIG if lol the rest of what u said I agree with tho. Also the x-men has one legit God on their side (storm) whose also an omega and ur right about the others mutants as well..... just omega level with godly powers lol
before house of M she was a very loyal and consistent avenger member and the 2nd most important female avenger after wasp.
the team that wins depends on the writer at the time in this case you say Avengers so the avengers it is .. !! if a comic book writer makes the same story and wants the xmen to win they will win
this is the most dumb comment I've ever seen
avengers vs xmen aka the team that wasn't popular pre disney but beloved post disney vs the team that was beloved pre disney but wasn't popular post disney. kind of an interesting reversal if you think about just how much things changed when disney took over
Would love to see a version of this with the current lineups!
So basically the Avengers can all punch really hard but are easily defeated by reality warpers and telepaths but Scarlet Witch wins it for the Avengers by saying "No more mutants"? Kind of a cheap win. Dr. Strange could win it by opening a portal and letting them fall through empty space for a few days, that oughta take the fight outta them. Which team would be more inclined to killing their enemies? I'd give it to the X-Men to go for the kill first.
X-Man, Legion, and Franklin Richards have all made their own realities a la House of M. Scarlet Witch isn’t the “hard counter” you’re making her out to be. Pretty sure the last of those 3 I mentioned would take that fight without breaking a sweat.
So yeah, the outcome you put forth, wrong.
Depending on what members you pick most times there's a mutant who can think the avengers out of existence or have any number of their omega level telepaths turn them into vegetables. I'd honestly argue legion, Franklin, Mr X, hope, etc would insta kill Wanda before she could even have the chance to do anything not to mention again telepaths like the professor and Jean turning her against the avengers
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exactly
Great video! I always enjoy your content 🙌🏼💯
Batman would beat both teams by himself with enough prep time. 😂 🤣😅I’m kidding.
crying
No your not 😂
You're right, tho...
"Batman beats jesus with prep time" 🤓
@@joshuaasante6128 no prep time needed
Are we going to just dismiss that Franklin Richard's made galactus his herald! which none of the avengers can do, or the fact fact jean gray has tge phoenix which is stronger than galactus or the fact that legion with a thought erased a universe of elder gods! just those 3 alone wipe out the avengers. Quick side note the god that gave Wanda her hex powers ummmm Legion erased him and he couldn't do anything but hey 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Few suggestions:
Kang The Conqueror vs Booster Gold
Trigon vs Mephisto
Black Adam vs Thor
Lobo vs Hulk
Nah man. Take the the Reality Warping powers from BOTH teams and try this again. That's not even a satisfying "fight" if scarlet witch can always just come in and whisper anyone out of existence. Everyone needs to throw hands lol
I think the X-Men are too powerful even for the Avengers the Scarlet Witch is OP but the X-Men never fought to kill her I mean Hope the Professor and Legion he has thousands of personalities and over two hundred are omega mutants
Funny how they use the strongest version of Wanda and don't do the same for literally any of the X-men.
The fights of
Phoenix vs scarlet witch
Are the bests of all
I love that Avengers Alliance's legacy still lives on in its amazing art, as seen at 0:42. What a game that was!
It was great!
The X-men would win in my opinion more members,far wider array of abilities,and lets not forget they are well trained too.
Yes, Wanda could do that. However with the vast amount of telepaths on the X-Men, they could stop her. The X-Men also have a few power amplifiers like Hope as well making them stronger. Not to mention the many reality manipulators in relation to the Avenger's one. The X-Men also have several power copiers as well other than just Hope and Rogue. The X-Men also have Apocalypse. He's always written to lose but he himself is by far one of the strongest beings in the 616 when you explore what he can actually do. His potential is near limitless but he's written to be a jobber so everyone overlooks him. It's just that if you're going to use certain characters to their fullest potential then you have to include everyone in that as well.
X-Men win solely for the fact that they not only have a wider variety of powers, but they have several people with those different varieties of powers. If not, they have several people who can copy those powers. Also several people who could amplify those powers. Out of who you brought up, other than Dr. Strange and Wanda, who else has powers other than "can hit real hard"? Sure those Avengers are some of the best ever at hitting real hard but when you're up against the wide range of powers the X-Men can produce that can easily counter them, then what you're left with is mainly just Wanda and Strange. Magik backed by several others can handle Strange. (brushed up on this, seems Magik in certain situations can handle Strange on her own. Didn't realize she was that powerful.) Wanda then has to handle Franklin, Legion, Hope, Jean, Rachael, Magneto, Nathans Grey and Summers and whoever else you want to throw at this. Synch, Rogue, Mimic, Copycat and others could all act as power backups as they can copy powers from both sides to various degrees of effectiveness. What about any illusionists like Mastermind, Mesmero, Proteus and anyone else? Darwin's adaptability? Probability manipulators like Domino, Gambit and Longshot could also be very useful. There's also the healers like Elixir to heal everyone up. I also wouldn't want to piss off any of the teleporters and have them teleport off parts of my body. Don't matter how strong you are, if Nightcrawler wants your head, he's taking your head.
The Avengers are STRONG. Of that there is no doubt. They also work incredibly well as a team. But even taking every member into account when going up against every possible X-Men member and their wide array of powers with several people having those powers, I just don't see the Avengers winning. Even with Strange and Wanda on their side both of whom are overpowered to vast degrees. There's just too many X-Men at least as strong as them to counter with.
Yes I'm just lumping all mutants in with the X-Men in a couple of cases like Mesmero. But aren't all mutants X-Men now or something? I'm not to clear on the goings on now. I'm also lumping people who were on X-Men related teams as X-Men as well. Even taking out some of them on technicalities, my points still stand as there's others who can take their places in my arguments. Which is my point. Mutants seem to have a wider range of powers to mutates and even those odd powers are held by several characters or can be copied by several characters.
Dude no. Magneto alone solos the Avengers
@@KingShibe explain? Proof? Details???
@@valysheev read Ultimatum
@@valysheev Magneto can literally change Earth's axis and cause floods. His power over metal allows him to do lots of things. He can steal Cap's shield, crush Stark like a tin can. Manipulate mjolnir
@@KingShibe that isn't 616 first off...
Your versus battles are sooo good because you know ur stuff
I would LOVE to see X-Men vs The Avengers in the MCU
Isn't wanda both an avenger and an xmen in some comics? She should be rremoved and they should make the most common teams
she is mainly a avenger tho she was never confirmed as an x-men she was always claim as an avenger
Wanda isn't even a mutant anymore in canon.
@@KingShibe mcu she probably isn’t but comics yes she is still a mutant
She's not an X-Men, you could even say she's a villain to them
@@bluelocimon exactly she’s an avenger
Franklin Richards would be able to wipe out everyone on the opposing team by himself. Isn't he a reality warper on a multiversal scale? And represents the writers.
Yes, but he's not a mutant anymore. Also Wanda needed the life force to erase mutants, it's not her power and she doesn't have it anymore
Yeah … Jean with Phoenix force is by far stronger than Wanda.
If you are going most powerful one certain character has ever been you should compare Wanda to the Jean with the Phoenix Force (which Wanda can't beat and Wanda's reality changing spells can't affect the Phoenix) and not to mention Franklin Richards. I think it's a bit of a closer fight then you are making it out to be. Heck even Hope Summers has beaten Wanda before
Since when? In Avengers vs X-Men, Wanda is shown as on of the only individuals capable of affecting the Phoenix, and with Hope, dispersed the Phoenix Force entirely for a time. If her spells had no affect on the Phoenix, none of that would be possible.
@@donovanlarsen7982 Yeah she beat cyclops... not the Phoenix. Scott also only had a fraction of the phoenix. The Phoenix is a nexas cosmic force of life and death which also happens to be immortal. It can also alter reality and destroy them at will unlike Wanda who can only do it when she is out of control and she can't destroy them. Wanda was only able to do the events of house of M because Dr doom channeled the life force to her. So it wasn't even her power to start with. 8/10 times Jeans Phoenix will beat Wanda. Now if it's the white Phoenix of the crown yeah there's no way Wanda would stand a chance because if they were to go all out it would just destroy everything. Actually never mind the avengers would win. Throw Wanda away I forgot about your main player the unbeatable squirrel girl
@@jacobg5303
Phoenix Force itself isn’t really an X-Men, so a debate about Phoenix Jean is kinda moot anyway, considering the Phoenix’s current host is an Avenger.
@@donovanlarsen7982 Apparently you didn't read his first comment and you are just trying to argue to argue. He was talking about the fact that Arris was only comparing the most powerful version of Wanda to the basic version of each of the x-men mostly talking about Jean and Franklin Richards. Only you are mentioning that the Phoenix isn't an X-man. Also you mentioning that the Phoenix's current host, Echo is an Avenger has nothing to do with this conversation. Please read more carefully before you say something
@@andreaparks9353 Thanks I saw his comment yesterday, but it hurt my head to much to reply haha
I would prefer Synch over Hope since his powers not only mimic his fellow mutants, but anyone with special abilities. Not only that, but he becomes a better user with them than the OG host where Hope uses the abilities to its max power. X-Men > Marvel U. Synch > Wanda. The Trial of Magneto was GARBAGE.
From an X-Men fan yelling
"bullcrap"
"no way"
"never gonna happen"
All love lol
Seems like you forgot about the White Phoenix of the Crown. The Summers girl and Wanda even had a hard time defeating the Dark Phoenix. What more if it’s the actual White Phoenix . 🙃
The winner is Batman with enough prep time. 🤣
Couldn't Franklin just be like "No more Wanda"?
What would happen if we saw Jean_Grey with the Phoenix Force fighting against House of M Scarlet Witch? Who do you think would bring their team victory?
Phoenix force with the W.
Ultimate level Jean Grey - White Phoenix of the Crown - removed an entire timeline. So it wouldn't come to pass. Is any Avenger strong enough to counter that?
Phoenix force would just eat her!!!!
@@pious83 Franklin Richards!!!!
He literally made Galactus his herold
@@mohamedomar3648 I think you misunderstood the question.
1) Franklin Richards is on the X-Men's side of this fight.
2) In terms of feats, making Galactus a herald is a distant second to removing a timeline from existence. Ending a universe of life, in a given future.
Street Fighter vs X-Men > Avengers vs X-Men #IYKYK
word X-Men vs SF way better
Love the Vid, mainly because of the powerhouses you picked and the fact that it wasn't just a regular X-Men vs Avengers video like most of them but Legion, Franklin, Hope....it's no way you think Wanda is beating them 1v1 together let alone all on the same team.
1. Hope - Say there's a 10v10 and all 9 of the other people including Wanda are in Hope's radius she literally get access to ALL of their powers. including Legion's 1000+ personalities and his 200+ Omega Level Personalities. And it's tough because does Hope have the phoenix force and if so which form of it? Imma guess it's just everyone without the amps or anything of that sort.
2. Honestly Franklin shouldn't have even been here because he's not a mutant. He should've been replaced with like Nate Grey or Vulcan.
3. Legion - He's the worst to fight tbh..because if he has even an ounce of control, Wanda isn't beating him. Legion has wiped out Limbo Elder God's ( The same beings who gave Belasco Immortality and Mystical Power). Legion has put the whole Universe in a Box and could have destroyed it merely by throwing it into a fire. And recently in Way of X Legion was going to be brought back through the resurrection after he had Nightcrawler shoot his brain but Professor X didn't want him to be brought back due to Resurrection Protocols so he said they wouldn't bring him back. Legion brought himself back, he didn't even need the Resurrection Process. Legion has done things that has been stated that unless you 1000+ personalities you can't do some things he's done. And out of all the thousands of personalities and 200+ Omega Level personalities we've only seen about 30. Just think about that..He has many reality warping personalities, time benders, space bender personalities that we haven't seen yet.(that's not a guess, it was shown in Legion's comics). Honestly there's a lot more i could say about Legion because his power are easy to explain because we've seen so little to how many he has but there hard to explain because we don't know the level of all his powers. But either way 200+ Omega Level Personalities is tough. And what if while they're fighting Legion decides to start fusing with his personalities which he can do (he's done it before but afterwards he took himself out of existence and placed a small piece of himself in Blindfold's head for when he wanted to come back) and if he did that he'd just be 1 person with just 1000+ powers and 200+ Omega Level Powers.
Wanda is amazing, don't get me wrong..but she was being amped when she did the "No More Mutants" feat. Not taking away from her doing it but your who reason for the Avengers winning is that, and unless she's amped i don't see that working...and honestly I don't think it'd work or Legion, Hope, nor Franklin(even though he isn't a mutant), nor Nate Grey if he was up here.
...love the vid though
This was the first event that I read. I really enjoyed it. Still have this graphic novel. LOVE IT!!!!
How do you not include Darwin in the X-Men. He literally cannot die and could make himself invincible to every one of the avengers powers!
I will blame the movie First class for portraying him as a joke
Mutants! Love my X-Men! ☮️
The fact that he mentioned Blue Marvel gives this video soooooo much credibility bravo !!!
Using the no more mutants as a trump card doesn’t really hold up bc mutants still existed in that storyline.
Franklin Richards isn't a mutant anymore 😂
Edit : Wanda's power from house of M came from the life force and she doesn't have it anymore
Now she can travel past and future
If Hope Summers can copy Franklin Richards powers wouldn't the X-Men have 2 reality warping members to the Avengers' single Wanda? If Franklin Richards is the most powerful character in Marvel, it seems that the winner of the fight would be whoever happened to strike first.
X-Man and Legion can also warp reality, Proteus can do the same as well.
She cant copy chaos magic. The onky magic she can't copy.
I’ve been waiting for this..😃
With these many powerful characters, why is Earth always in constant danger? 😂
There are way more X-Men and way more reality warpers fyi. The idea that Wanda is the over the top ender her is nonsense. Many weren't even around for the House of M story, conveniently removed just like some heavy hitters weren't around for Civil War. So for the casual fans who haven't been reading comics for decades, Wanda as we see her now in the MCU is an adaptation of her House of M portrayal. In that amazong comic series she was insane, suffering from trauma and not in touch with reality. She was ooozing her chaos power but couldn't control it. This was the height of her power and she hasn't had that level since. The same as Dr Stange, Thor, others, were depowered from their earlier incarnations. Wanda was able to overpower Prof X and use his telepathic power to find everyone on Earth's hearts desire, and alter reality on Earth to fit that. When the X-Men and Avengers started waking up (first was Wolverine, and once Emma and others got their memories back, they released many from both teams), they debated prior to this about killing Wanda, much to Pietro and Magneto's struggle with what to do about it. When they confronted her, when they were about to deal with her, she was in a distant state of awareness, only fixated on her imaginary children, but enough aware to see a threat. This is when she uttered her famous 'No More Mutants' power that stripped 98% of all mutants of their power. She even at one point removed Magneto's mouth, so anyone saying the MCU Wanda couldn't do that to Black Bolt is wrong. Understand that Scarlet Witch since in the comics is VERY powerful, but she is nowhere near this level of raw uncontrolled power. She went up against Thor a few times and in both she was only able to hold him off, admitting to herself she couldn't do it forever. She has limits!!! Now the MCU Wanda, again an adaptation so things could be different than the comics run, and there are many changes. For one, she is FULLY aware of her crimes, and tries to justify them. Marvel needs to stop with this 'she did the right thing in the end' nonsense. Tell that to the families of those she killed horribly, tell that to those she willingly tortured, and her intent to murder and replace her alternate universe counterpart. In EITHER case, she is NO match for Galactus, or the major cosmic entities, lile Eternity and the Living Tribunal, ir even a single Celestial. They wield massive cosmic powers which also can affect reality. The Living Tribunal should have stepped in and shut Wanda down, same as with Ultron in Whatif, but Marvel is not doing this so there's some story arc that will be unveiled where something is preventing this. Perhaps the Beyonders, who in the comics wastes the Cosmic Entities in each universe during the Incursions story arc (Time Runs Out, Secret Wars, which is Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers masterpiece). So there is likely an explanation. NOW as far as the Phoenix, that is a way more powerful entity than Wanda, in both the comics and MCU. Jean on her own is a match for Wanda, but not vs her House of M level. Franklin Richards is more powerful than Wanda and her No More Mutants would not affect him if he was there. I believe he was off in another reality. Still, it was recently revealed that he isn't a Mutant at all, so that wouldn't even work. Also his power isn't granted to him, it is his alone. C'thon could strip Wanda of hee chaos power if he chose. He granted it to Wanda, and he can take it away or diminish it. C'thon is more powerful than Dormammu and on par with Cytorak, so easily the level of a higher cosmic entity, but limited to his own dimension. Franklin has proven to easily be their match and more! His adult version resurected a dead Galactus and had Galactus HIS Herald!! But back to th Pheonix, this entity is easily as powerful as any high end cosmic being. Not only does this entity weild all manner of reality affecting cosmic power, but it is the manifestation of ALL life that ever existed, exists and will...across ALL of the multiverse. Jean, and others, are a vessel for this, but even then it doesn't represent the full power of the Phoenix force. There is ZERO chance Wanda could defeat the Pheonix force, and Dark Pheonix Jean Grey alone could. I know the Wanda fans will whine about this, but this is how it is. They may jack up Wanda's power in the MCU, but this is a build up in the MCU and they aren't going to dump all their cards on one swoop. They are slow rolling the big cosmic characters, and Galactus is coming. Expect to see bigger deals over time. Wanda is amazingly powerful but she is NOT by a long stretch the most powerful entity in Marvel. There are earthbound powers that would defeat her. Some are just resilient enough or have powers of their own to counter hers, and while she has gained a ton of control since House of M, she is also not nearly as poweful as that arc showed.
Just curious. Wouldn't the Scarlett Witch fall under X-Men? She's technically a mutant or is related to them. I don't know. She bounces around a lot
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Magnito is her father
She’s not a mutant,that was retconned quite some time ago.
@@jluda468 in exactly 2015, the exact year Age Of Ultron came out....coz Marvel was feeling butthurt about Fox not giving them back the rights. It was a move in bad faith, & all it would take is a wise writer to acknowledge it and unwrite that wrong!
She was never an X-Men in the comics….Only Avenger.
WE NEED MORE VS BATTLES ARRIS!!!!!
Great video!
I admit that this vs battle was a tough one i get what you saying but I would still going with the x men.
X-men would beat the avengers. Plain and simple
"no more mutants"
*wolverine wakes up*
Avengers: "WoLvErInE woke uppp??!"
Wolverine: *pops claws*
Avengers: * dead noises*
Avengers have Wanda, but the X-Men have Franklin Richards, David Haller, Proteus, Hope Summers and Rogue. It's like... Wanda times five. And I think Xavier, Emma Frost and Jean could take Wanda out before she could do any harm if they work together, They're literally the powerful psychics in the whole world. Without mentioning Rachel Summers and Psylocke. Wanda can have mental barriers, but that means nothing against Jean and Emma working together.
I forgot to mention the Stepford Cuckoos. The X-Men can literally do the most deadly psychic assault if they work together, incapacitating everyone in a second.
What about the vague storyline rarely explored about storm being a goddess who gets stronger with the more people believes or worships her? Also, Franklin Richards isn't a mutant anymore & lost his powers thanks to Dan Slott; Great Job! Maybe he was fixed, I dunno. YES, props for including Adam Brashear bka Blue Marvel! He's got a great power set, but he doesn't give off Karen vibes like Captain Marvel. Also, Wanda isn't Eric's kid & the same goes for quicksilver. Great vid, tho.
Thanks you!! I just made a post about storm like 5min ago lol check it out if u want. But it's annoying. Storm is a goddess AND an omega level mutant. Her power level and what she can do are literally limitless. Plus she is ruler over a whole planet (mars) I believe. Has her own tribe and people that worship her on Mars and earth. It's annoying tht people wanna throw out thors a God but not acknowledge that the x-men have an omega level goddess on their tram as well.
@@justindesue9512 facts and on top of that Storm is one of the 3 characters who can become the High Priestess (the other two options being the Scarlet Witch and Agatha Harkness). So to sum up, she's a goddess, a witch and arguably the most powerful omega level mutant.
Avengers vs x-men event book was so bad and a complete trainwreck in my opinion.
Speechless!
really nice
Who do you think is the best member of the Avengers and who do you think is the best member of the X-Men? What would happen if we saw both of them fight against each other?
Correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't Scarlet Witch needed the life force in order to erase all mutants? Because if she still does, then there is no use for her to be put in new comics because that would make her too op.
Franklin isn't an X-Men nor a mutant (anymore).
Isn't Namor an X-Men?
namor is an avenger to and he was an avenger before he joined the xmen
Can you do history of the characters mentioned in this video?
Jean Grey with the Phoenix Force solos🥱
Two of the best teams in marvel!
Not just in Marvel...but overall.
Franklin Richards is on the same level as the celestials. He can literally create universes. Scarlet Witch's Strong's but she can't do that.
What about the *Charmed Ones* VS *Avengers!*
AND Prue’s back as the Source but fighting with her sisters *GASP* 🧙♀️🧙🧙♀️🧙♀️
More versus please
What would happen if we saw the Avengers Vs X-Men being adapted on the Big Screen or TV Shows? Would it be awesome to see the two teams fighting against each other till they join forces against a common threat like Onslaught?
It was a terrible book and a terrible idea for a film.
The winner y'all chose was hella cheap and cheesy lmao. Anytime you add reality warp guys it ruins the entire thing cause they just wish things away and it's done. Next time use the most common iterations and stay away from reality warping gods
THIS COMIC EXIST THO IS MY THING Y ARE WE SPECULATING? JUST CURIOUS
The first comic I ever read was OG xmen vs avengers. Opening panels were cyclops shattering and iceberg.