We have been consistently referencing our groups from the outside diameter of the groups in a lot of our videos. At the end of the day, does it really matter? You can still clearly see how precise a round/ rifle combination works by the video.
@@ChuckinTV yes it absolutely matters..you're doing it wrong and giving wrong information to people. Furthermore you're shortchanging your own rifle. Do it right or don't do it.
@@ngirardo86 As I said, We have been very consistent. Whether you think we are doing wrong or not, we do provide a baseline for every rifle we test the same way. We're not here to hold people's hand here. There's a level of understanding that we think our audience gains from not only watching this video, but some our others as well. If it's a half inch on the outside of the group it is still an awesome group.
@@ChuckinTV LOL you are the farthest thing from consistent!! And clearly as dim as a dying bulb I've shot with children who can measure groups properly your a grown ass man even if it's a man who shoots with stupid Walmart special thinsulate gloves on..but all your doing for all your "viewers" is shoeing them the wrong way to do things and making them look like idiots around competent people. You have a very hard time admitting you're wrong when someone calls you out huh? That much is crystal clear. Keep up the horrible work though.
Remember those different ammos have different lube, one must shoot the old lube out of the barrel before accuracy will improve case in point 1st group with CCI was rough 2nd group with Velo CCI was perfect and the third group of CCI was pretty good. [Same lubes used? I believe so] Where did I find out about that? Dayattherange get the credit for that. Thanks for the vid
Absolutely. At least 50 rounds to season the bore to a particular load, and .22 precision rifles like these are designed around standard velocity lead ammunition. No copper jacket or copper wash. I would be interested to see if the velocitors produce consistent groupings like the one he shot here. Stretch her out to 100 and 150 yards and see what happens then. The velocitors just might be hitting the right harmonic node. Only testing will tell.
I shoot left handed as well and I have the same rifle on order and can't wait to get it. I also have the silencerco sparrow that I will be putting on it and can't wait to shoot some groups with that set up.
I’d like to see some SK or Eley groups, I bet they’d be piled on top of each other! Really surprised by the Velocitors, would like to see more with them for consistency.
@@md3280 I have an old brick of Rem Yellow Jackets that are surprisingly accurate. Pretty consistent 1 inch groups out of my Kimber HS22.at 100yds. Last time I took it out for woodchucks I was 8 for 8, all 1 shot kills. Pretty impressive for the little 22 rf!! I have a new brick of YJ’s too I need to test sometime. I doubt they are as accurate as the old box but hopefully I’ll be surprised.
@@bepropheta6665 If you ever get a chance to get your hands on some velociters I suggest you give them a try. I used them in a 22 with an old midway target barrel in our farm truck. I’ve shot everything from squirrels to coyotes with it. I have recovered quite a few bullets and they act just like a big game bullet in the way they mushroom.
@@md3280 Hands on them now? You’re kidding right? :-) I’ve shot them before but never out of my Kimber. I’ve used Rem Vipers too and remember that bullet being an awesome penetrator. CCI made a 36gr hp round that shot really well for me too, killed a lot of rabbits with it. It shot as well as the yellow jackets just not quite as destructive.
@@bepropheta6665 Why would I be kidding it’s a 40 grain bullet going well over 1400 fps. Which quite frankly equates to more energy than a lighter bullet going the same speed. Just my honest opinion based on actual use in the field and targets.
Great rifle, I must say maybe because of the ammo shortage but you didn't really have any great ammo to try, most was budget lined ammo, luckily the Velocitors came through, I shot mine with SK, Lapua and RWS and Eley match, the best was Eley match at .4 at 50 but the worst out of all the ammo mentioned was the RWS HP high velocity at .8, I found that they love some rounds and hate others, but most rifles are like that.
I do enjoy watching these 'upper level' rifles being tested. The two I'd like to see compared are, the Tikka T1x .22 and then it's 'big brother' the Sako Finnfire II , in .22 also. ( If only your budget could afford it! )
@@tomwaddle330 My shootin' buddy and I were talking about the Christensen , and he is seriously considering one, I'll be sure to mention these points of yours to him, when I see him next week at the range.
Agreed with B&E below on testing with Eley, SK and I would also suggest Lapua CenterX. I am a big fan of Christensen and have their Ridgeline in 6.5 Creedmoor. After much work with loads, it shoots 0.17 MOA at 100 yards. That said, the Ranger has been a big disappointment. My $400 Ruger American Rimfire with a Timney Trigger ($140) shoots better, tighter groups at 50 yards.
Eric here. Yeah I personally don’t care the action on the ranger. The ruger bolt is much smoother. I would pick those loads up if I could find them. All of the above loads is just what we have.
@@ChuckinTV Well the good news is that it's 'dead on' with the Velocitor. That's fairly rare! Normally, a high charged load that's unpredictable. Now you can confidently go squirrel, fox or rabbit hunting with Velocitor and make a clean kill. I think it's Woodchuck season in CT so it probably is where you are. Can you get that close to a Woodchuck without scaring him off? Challenge of the month!
@@dgreenapple I've had really good luck with the Velocitors in my Ruger American as well. So I highly recommend the stuff if you can find it. And we might try to work in a chuck or two with the Ranger and Velocitors. Kinda hard to take a 22lr out when we have all of these awesome 22WMRs laying around haha.
Not sure if this was done or not but it's been my experience that you really need to shoot at least ten shots before shooting one for a group when switching ammo.
We've had a few people mention that and we did not do that here to be honest. Garrett has sold this rifle since this video and picked up a CZ instead. Video pending there... but he had much more success with a variety of ammo on that test without fouling the barrel with each ammo before going for groups. So is there merit fouling the barrel with a certain ammo before shooting said ammo for a group? Maybe so. We have never tried it. But at the end of the day, the CZ shoots better than the Christensen. If you look at our channel, I ran a similar test with just a Ruger American 22lr and that shot almost as well as the Ranger in this video.
Just got mine today, have not cleaned and oiled, the bolt handle feels loose and closing the bolt is extremely gritty and hard, is this normal? Thanks!
I don’t know: did not think about the actual dimensions of the case. But we tested it and showed the results in this video. It’s safe to say that stingers aren’t the ammo of choose for the CA Ranger
Look at a 22lr bullet the projectile is the same diameter as case. Stingers are are lighter gr bullet so they lengthen the case for more powder but bullet is the same length. Barrel and chamber are high strength steel the soft e lead is not going to hurt it the case is not engaging into rifling
Great review--well done. I have CA Ranger and love it; very accurate with any SK, Aguila and RWS, pretty good with CCI as we just saw especially CCI minimags, and mine is terrible with federal gold medal standard or HV.
Garrett actually sold this rifle and got a CZ Precision Trainer instead. I personally (Eric) had issues with the bolt binding and tough feeding. I'd say for the price of this rifle, look at something else. 750$ can buy a much nicer 22 in my opinion
Half moa at 50 yards is a .25" "22lr bullet diameter is .223" to shoot half moa at 50 they would all have to be same hole, not just connected. Christensen Arms guarantees sub--moa at 50 "anything under .50"
I have a Christensen Ranger, and the barrel is a match barrel, specifically for subsonic ammo. you're not supposed to run hypersonic and especially not stingers through it. I hope people who watch it won't take your misinformation as gospel.
I have a few flyers come on man every single test of these rifles proves that is the most expensive most underperforming performing 22 for the price Christensen Arms really shit the bed with this one
alleged truckdriver, at least Chuckin' is willing to learn like the rest of us and he takes the criticism. truckdriver just wants to censor what he doesn't like
@@ChuckinTV I can only shoot @100 yards, which sorts the ammo pretty quickly. I know some ammo is difficult to get at the moment but here's a few that you should try (from experience) that have shot sub 1 MoA. CCI AR Tactical, Geco semi automatic and Eley Action (40gn, trying the 42 on Friday). All at the cheaper end but shoot above their weight...good luck!
Ugggggg.... DON`T run CCI Stingers in that rifle. The CCI Stingers have a longer case than standard 22 rimfire cases. Be interesting to see those Velocitor`s at 100yds. I bet the group goes wild on yah. They did for me anyway.
Ugh another disappointment I was hoping for a new and improved 22lr but again I see that’s not the case. Same issues as all the other rimfires on the market, magazine design. Doesn’t matter how you improve the rifle if you use the ruger mag that’s the component that holds accuracy back. Hence the Vudoo rifles.
Quickly coming to same conclusion. Or at least the use of the ruger mag ,as reliable as it is) require tighter tolerances. For example the RPR can be very hit and miss.
I was not at all impressed, I have shot much tighter groups with my 10/22 Ruger bull barrel target rifle, with German target ammunition shooting off a sandbag.
Not too impressed, I have a 70 year old Remington 511 Scoremaster that will shoot 3/8 inch at 50 yards with most quality ammo....Paid $10 for it used in 1959...added a good scope years later.
Buddy bought one today and the charging handle broke when loading the second round. The center of the already thin charging handle has a half moon cut out of it. It was at most 3/16 at the thinnest spot... The spot that takes the most tension. Trash rifle. Find the Gucci carbon barrel and put on something else. On The black stock version the stainless rings above and below the carbon barrel doesn't seem to be the quality I would expect out of the most expensive 22 I've seen.
Trigger isn't anything special either. This is the price of the gemtech integrally suppressed barrel dudes. You can't tell me that isn't a better buy. You can even put a can on it and go two can Sam.
You measure your groups from the middle of your 2 farthest shots not outside edge to outside edge.
We have been consistently referencing our groups from the outside diameter of the groups in a lot of our videos. At the end of the day, does it really matter? You can still clearly see how precise a round/ rifle combination works by the video.
@@ChuckinTV yes it absolutely matters..you're doing it wrong and giving wrong information to people. Furthermore you're shortchanging your own rifle. Do it right or don't do it.
@@ngirardo86 As I said, We have been very consistent. Whether you think we are doing wrong or not, we do provide a baseline for every rifle we test the same way. We're not here to hold people's hand here. There's a level of understanding that we think our audience gains from not only watching this video, but some our others as well. If it's a half inch on the outside of the group it is still an awesome group.
@@ChuckinTV LOL you are the farthest thing from consistent!! And clearly as dim as a dying bulb I've shot with children who can measure groups properly your a grown ass man even if it's a man who shoots with stupid Walmart special thinsulate gloves on..but all your doing for all your "viewers" is shoeing them the wrong way to do things and making them look like idiots around competent people. You have a very hard time admitting you're wrong when someone calls you out huh? That much is crystal clear. Keep up the horrible work though.
Chuckin' you need to block people like this, I feel sorry for his family lol
What a great looking little rifle. I was disappointed in the performance until you shot those Velocitors.
Mine hates velocitors, but it loves the aguila super extra and CCI standard
Nice vid, thanks for taking the time!
Good video I was playing with my Ruger 10/22 target rifle and my Ruger American 22 this morning a lot of fun
Awesome review Chuckin' thank you.
Coming out with a left hand?
3 shot sub moa at 50 can be done with most .22s with ammo the gun likes.
Even my stock 10/22 is right around half moa out to 50 yards
Prove it
Remember those different ammos have different lube, one must shoot the old lube out of the barrel before accuracy will improve case in point 1st group with CCI was rough 2nd group with Velo CCI was perfect and the third group of CCI was pretty good. [Same lubes used? I believe so] Where did I find out about that? Dayattherange get the credit for that. Thanks for the vid
Absolutely. At least 50 rounds to season the bore to a particular load, and .22 precision rifles like these are designed around standard velocity lead ammunition. No copper jacket or copper wash. I would be interested to see if the velocitors produce consistent groupings like the one he shot here. Stretch her out to 100 and 150 yards and see what happens then. The velocitors just might be hitting the right harmonic node. Only testing will tell.
@@mikewilliams719 Does that mean I should go to the range and simply dump 50 rounds down range before I report on anything or even sight it in?
@@miguellucero Try 10 rounds . Clean the barrel between testing different brands of ammo .
I’m getting one of those!
I fire a long gun as you do , due to my left master eye.I don't mind running a RH bolt. Thanks for the review.
I shoot left handed as well and I have the same rifle on order and can't wait to get it. I also have the silencerco sparrow that I will be putting on it and can't wait to shoot some groups with that set up.
Outstanding review!! Thank You!!
Mine is in lay a way till after Christmas..
Thank you for the video
I’d like to see some SK or Eley groups, I bet they’d be piled on top of each other! Really surprised by the Velocitors, would like to see more with them for consistency.
Velocitors have always been money for me they’re great inside 100 yards and hit hard.
@@md3280 I have an old brick of Rem Yellow Jackets that are surprisingly accurate. Pretty consistent 1 inch groups out of my Kimber HS22.at 100yds. Last time I took it out for woodchucks I was 8 for 8, all 1 shot kills. Pretty impressive for the little 22 rf!! I have a new brick of YJ’s too I need to test sometime. I doubt they are as accurate as the old box but hopefully I’ll be surprised.
@@bepropheta6665
If you ever get a chance to get your hands on some velociters I suggest you give them a try. I used them in a 22 with an old midway target barrel in our farm truck. I’ve shot everything from squirrels to coyotes with it. I have recovered quite a few bullets and they act just like a big game bullet in the way they mushroom.
@@md3280 Hands on them now? You’re kidding right? :-) I’ve shot them before but never out of my Kimber. I’ve used Rem Vipers too and remember that bullet being an awesome penetrator. CCI made a 36gr hp round that shot really well for me too, killed a lot of rabbits with it. It shot as well as the yellow jackets just not quite as destructive.
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Why would I be kidding it’s a 40 grain bullet going well over 1400 fps. Which quite frankly equates to more energy than a lighter bullet going the same speed. Just my honest opinion based on actual use in the field and targets.
Which magpul bipod did you use . And what height rings are those? I just bought the same rifle two weeks ago.
Nice work !
Good video.
I thought i read that you werent supposed to shoot stingers out of a bentz chamber?
That's the best group that I've seen with Velocitor ammo! Must be something about that "Burrito Barrel" that they like! ;)
Great rifle, I must say maybe because of the ammo shortage but you didn't really have any great ammo to try, most was budget lined ammo, luckily the Velocitors came through, I shot mine with SK, Lapua and RWS and Eley match, the best was Eley match at .4 at 50 but the worst out of all the ammo mentioned was the RWS HP high velocity at .8, I found that they love some rounds and hate others, but most rifles are like that.
I wonder what it would do with some SK, Eley, or Lapua?
Nice clip thank you.
I do enjoy watching these 'upper level' rifles being tested.
The two I'd like to see compared are, the Tikka T1x .22 and then it's 'big brother' the Sako Finnfire II , in .22 also.
( If only your budget could afford it! )
@@tomwaddle330 My shootin' buddy and I were talking about the Christensen , and he is seriously considering one, I'll be sure to mention these points of yours to him, when I see him next week at the range.
that one group was nice! equal to a .22 Umarex Origin at 50 yards.
Agreed with B&E below on testing with Eley, SK and I would also suggest Lapua CenterX. I am a big fan of Christensen and have their Ridgeline in 6.5 Creedmoor. After much work with loads, it shoots 0.17 MOA at 100 yards. That said, the Ranger has been a big disappointment. My $400 Ruger American Rimfire with a Timney Trigger ($140) shoots better, tighter groups at 50 yards.
Eric here. Yeah I personally don’t care the action on the ranger. The ruger bolt is much smoother. I would pick those loads up if I could find them. All of the above loads is just what we have.
@@ChuckinTV Well the good news is that it's 'dead on' with the Velocitor. That's fairly rare! Normally, a high charged load that's unpredictable. Now you can confidently go squirrel, fox or rabbit hunting with Velocitor and make a clean kill. I think it's Woodchuck season in CT so it probably is where you are. Can you get that close to a Woodchuck without scaring him off? Challenge of the month!
@@dgreenapple I've had really good luck with the Velocitors in my Ruger American as well. So I highly recommend the stuff if you can find it. And we might try to work in a chuck or two with the Ranger and Velocitors. Kinda hard to take a 22lr out when we have all of these awesome 22WMRs laying around haha.
I'm shopping for a gun like that but I wanted in a 22 magnum
Nice video, I like how you got right down to business. However, I will keep my Steyr Zephyr II.
I wish there was a 22 mag
There is
I was interested in this rifle but have yet to see one shoot decently, in any review.
same as the tacsol owyhee takedown 22. :( which ive seen zero shot reviews so far
It likes the Velocitors.
Not sure if this was done or not but it's been my experience that you really need to shoot at least ten shots before shooting one for a group when switching ammo.
We've had a few people mention that and we did not do that here to be honest. Garrett has sold this rifle since this video and picked up a CZ instead. Video pending there... but he had much more success with a variety of ammo on that test without fouling the barrel with each ammo before going for groups. So is there merit fouling the barrel with a certain ammo before shooting said ammo for a group? Maybe so. We have never tried it. But at the end of the day, the CZ shoots better than the Christensen. If you look at our channel, I ran a similar test with just a Ruger American 22lr and that shot almost as well as the Ranger in this video.
Any trouble with ejection in the last year? Still like it?
There’s not many videos on these, I’ve done done several on my channel. I love this gun thanks
Which bipod is that?
Just got mine today, have not cleaned and oiled, the bolt handle feels loose and closing the bolt is extremely gritty and hard, is this normal? Thanks!
What scope are you running?
Anyone know what bipod that is?
If you like these groups buy a Remington 580 or 581while you still can.
It's definitely a shooter.
You need to try better ammo. Some Eley match or Center X ammo.
Are you supposed to be shooting Stingers (longer case than a regular .22lr) in a gun with a Bentz match chamber?
I don’t know: did not think about the actual dimensions of the case. But we tested it and showed the results in this video. It’s safe to say that stingers aren’t the ammo of choose for the CA Ranger
Look at a 22lr bullet the projectile is the same diameter as case. Stingers are are lighter gr bullet so they lengthen the case for more powder but bullet is the same length. Barrel and chamber are high strength steel the soft e lead is not going to hurt it the case is not engaging into rifling
What you have for a scope on that? The MSRP price isn't too bad. Street price for rifle?
Vortex Viper HS 4-16x50 and it was about 750 at a local shop
Great review--well done. I have CA Ranger and love it; very accurate with any SK, Aguila and RWS, pretty good with CCI as we just saw especially CCI minimags, and mine is terrible with federal gold medal standard or HV.
1/2 inch group at 50 yards is 1 moa not 1/2 moa.
Are those a set of low rings? Just wondering if fingers will hit scope with lows
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Can you adjust the trigger on this model
It will go down to 2.5lbs
Did you find any complaints? I read a lot of bad reviews on this gun!
Garrett actually sold this rifle and got a CZ Precision Trainer instead. I personally (Eric) had issues with the bolt binding and tough feeding. I'd say for the price of this rifle, look at something else. 750$ can buy a much nicer 22 in my opinion
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I learned that the ones with the bee on them are pronounced. ‘Stangers .’ Lol. How bout those velocitors though!
Yeah the velocitors have been pretty good in other bolt actions as well.
Eley Tenex?
0.5 MOA is 0.25 inch at 50 yards, not 0.5 inch.
I don't get it! If a Minute of Angle is One Inch @ 100 yards, why wouldn't it be half of that at half of the distance?
@@jim7576 They have a sub-moa 50 yard guarantee.
I’d still have a Lithgow... but I’m biased!
It shoots as good as my old 22 jc higgens.my old jc was worth about 50 dollars this thing is probably worth maybe upwards of 300 dollars.
I hate to make you look bad, but a sub-MOA @ 50 yards is a 2" MOA at 100 yards
Really nice gun. But, for how much they cost, the bolt should be buttery smooth. The bolt on a savage mk II is way better and cost ¼ of CA.
Half moa at 50 yards is a .25"
"22lr bullet diameter is .223" to shoot half moa at 50 they would all have to be same hole, not just connected. Christensen Arms guarantees sub--moa at 50 "anything under .50"
I thought .22 LR bullets were .222" and center fire bullets .224"
None of that Ammo I would consider accurate. Let's see that rifle shoot some good stuff
Garrett traded this one in for a CZ 457. That seems to outperform this with cheap and high end ammo
cci has tight group
I have a Christensen Ranger, and the barrel is a match barrel, specifically for subsonic ammo. you're not supposed to run hypersonic and especially not stingers through it. I hope people who watch it won't take your misinformation as gospel.
"you don't do this channel because you know what you're doing do you."
I have a few flyers come on man every single test of these rifles proves that is the most expensive most underperforming performing 22 for the price Christensen Arms really shit the bed with this one
awesome vid dude.....most beautiful 22 on the market at the moment....most ugly bipod too, cheers from germany
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alleged truckdriver, at least Chuckin' is willing to learn like the rest of us and he takes the criticism. truckdriver just wants to censor what he doesn't like
I would think anything could shoot those groups at 50
We share the same sentiment
He measures outside to outside. If you want the true accuracy just subtract .172
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....only 1 ammo sub MoA?!
yep..... :(
@@ChuckinTV I can only shoot @100 yards, which sorts the ammo pretty quickly. I know some ammo is difficult to get at the moment but here's a few that you should try (from experience) that have shot sub 1 MoA. CCI AR Tactical, Geco semi automatic and Eley Action (40gn, trying the 42 on Friday). All at the cheaper end but shoot above their weight...good luck!
I’m kinda mad at you, because I love velocitors… but my CA Ranger hates them
Pretty disappointing performance. How much does this rifle cost?
750. Garrett has since sold this and got a CZ 457 Precision Trainer instead
@@ChuckinTV CZ rifles shoot extremely well ...better than is Christensen !
Sub MOA @ 50 is sub 2MOA group NOT 1/2 MOA
MOA is like cone of fire so 1 MOA which is just over 1 inch at one hundred yards. So at 50 yard it has to be smaller 1/2 inch
Velocitor it is!! If you can find it! LOL!
Ugggggg.... DON`T run CCI Stingers in that rifle. The CCI Stingers have a longer case than standard 22 rimfire cases.
Be interesting to see those Velocitor`s at 100yds. I bet the group goes wild on yah. They did for me anyway.
CCI has one round faster. Their 22 grain meat eater copper bullets. They are amazing.
Ugh another disappointment I was hoping for a new and improved 22lr but again I see that’s not the case. Same issues as all the other
rimfires on the market, magazine design. Doesn’t matter how you improve the rifle if you use the ruger mag that’s the component that holds accuracy back. Hence the Vudoo rifles.
Quickly coming to same conclusion. Or at least the use of the ruger mag ,as reliable as it is) require tighter tolerances. For example the RPR can be very hit and miss.
Stingers in a Benz chamber? Big no-no
These ammo can't test the rifle fairly. Try some SK or RWS.
I was not at all impressed, I have shot much tighter groups with my 10/22 Ruger bull barrel target rifle, with German target ammunition shooting off a sandbag.
Shame to see a quality rifle subjected to copper plated high velocity ammo.
I’m pretty sure my $200 Ruger American could do that.
We have a video on that as well
Ooof.
And I don't mean the rifle... :(
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Not too impressed, I have a 70 year old Remington 511 Scoremaster that will shoot 3/8 inch at 50 yards with most quality ammo....Paid $10 for it used in 1959...added a good scope years later.
Ever want to sell lemme know trying to get my kids involved with .22 club shooting sports looking for a quality bolt gun
That's awful my 2 ruger 77/22 will beat that and my kimber will make one hole you can cover with a dime 😮
lol accuracy sucks would be disappointed only 1 ammo meets guarantee
Agreed
shooting way to fast
Buddy bought one today and the charging handle broke when loading the second round. The center of the already thin charging handle has a half moon cut out of it. It was at most 3/16 at the thinnest spot... The spot that takes the most tension. Trash rifle. Find the Gucci carbon barrel and put on something else. On The black stock version the stainless rings above and below the carbon barrel doesn't seem to be the quality I would expect out of the most expensive 22 I've seen.
Trigger isn't anything special either. This is the price of the gemtech integrally suppressed barrel dudes. You can't tell me that isn't a better buy. You can even put a can on it and go two can Sam.