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Doctor: Ace have you no sense of occasion? Ace: No.
Chad Ace
We need compilation of all Doctor Who anti war speeches, it would be so epic to see them all together.
Wilfred Owen would be proud
Peter capaldi war speech is the best in my opinion
I love that he just walks straight through the sword fight XD
that legit Jsut happened and I had to rewind and see again XDD
he also grabbed the nuclear launch keys like they were his house keys
It's also quite admirable of the Doctor to settle for a decent struggle with Morgaine, thanks to both the Doctor's umbrella and one of Sylvester McCoy's best speeches, over the abort button with only sixty seconds on the countdown.
Who doesn't?
Doffing his hat, to boot. They might be fighting for their lives, but he's just passing through with a "good day".
Great stuff from Sylvester here. Impassioned, authoritative and the absolute voice of reason at a time when the world had gone mad. The Doctor was very much needed then - as always.
ok boomer
normie twice removed Ya Boi!
She was a great villain because there was an element of empathy there. McCoy was my doctor of the old era and I remember being enthralled by Battlefield. Even had a crush on Ancelyn!
Sylvester McCoy was my doctor too .
And to think, hundreds of years later... he would come to face a decision to do something much, much more terrifying!
I always wanted to see the 7th Doctor meet the War Doctor...
I so fondly remember that scene where the 7th Doctor mentioned his family. It was in Part 2 of The Curse Of Fenric.
You’re welcome.
I have all 11 books analyzing each of the 11 doctors at the time, for the role playing game. And I think in the sixth doctor one, there's this huge essay, analyzing how every single episode in the sixth doctor, was somehow connected to the time war... somehow...
And if so...maybe it's a time war war-zone that causes the 6th dr to regenerate at the start of time and the rani?
I don't know which part I like more. The Doctor tipping his hat as he calmly walks through a sword fight, or Ace's absolute joy from watching an explosion.
That look in 7's eyes when he says "he died over a thousand years ago" - facing his enemy but still with some form of compassion. Sylvester and Jean Marsh are wonderful here, and Morgaine's reaction to Arthur's death is a very touching moment.
"A child looks up into the sky, his eyes turn to cinders - no more tears, only ashes!" It's a shame that the scene is so awkwardly blocked and shot, as that is genuinely one of the most sincerely impactful anti-war statements I can think of.
Fun fact: This scene was actually the one full sequence written (for the show itself) by Andrew Cartmel, who acted as the script editor but never actually wrote a story himself, until Big Finish that is.
Jean Marsh as Morgaine is one of the five loveliest classic Doctor Who villainesses. The other four are: Susan Engel as Vivian Fay, Rosalind Lloyd as Queen Xanxia, Lynda Baron as Captain Wrack and Kate O’Mara as the Rani.
I would had love to had seen The Rani come back with Liz May Brice in the role.
I remember a rumour during Matt Smith's era that the Rani might return played by Gillian Anderson and she would have been impressive.
@@mikebasil4832 I heard the same too.
People like to focus on the dark, manipulative side of the Seventh Doctor, but no one seems to talk about how he's also one of the most moral Doctors. He is strongly anti-war, and always advocates for peace. I always got the sense that he also learned not to use Ace as a pawn as well, after Ghostlight and The Curse of Fenric. There is also a strong loyalty and friendship between both of them. Yes, he's the chess master who's seven steps ahead of everyone else, but he'll still always choose life over death.
He even begs Davros not to use the Hand of Omega, even knowing that he's pre-programmed it to destroy Skaro. Love 7. He was my Doctor.
Alas the 7th Doctor didn't stop using Ace as a pawn if you take any of the continuity streams - New Adventures, BBC Books, Big Finish or A Childhood Remembered.
@@JeremiahEcks777 heck, if you take the VNAs into account he only starts to think that maybe manipulating people so much is a bad idea after he lets Ace's boyfriend dies, Ace leaves, and Benny gives him a bollocking for being a manipulative bastard lol
@@nintendonut100 And even then he keeps doing it.
In the NAs it's as far into it as The Room With no Doors when he finally fully stops.
He does try not to as they go along but he can't help himself. I mean, he even manipulates Ace once again in her first story back, Deceit, even though he doesn't realise she is manipulating him as well.
I do like their interplay through the NAs though.
@@JeremiahEcks777 yeah, there's a really long time between it occurring to him that maybe he shouldn't treat people like that and him actually stopping. The VNAs have their flaws, but there's so much interesting characterisation for 7. Also, looms. Looms are good. Oh, and Benny, who is the best character in Who history.
One of my favourite episodes of Doctor Who and one of the very first I ever watched. The scene which The Doctor makes the speech to Morgaine about nuclear war and The Doctor telling Morgaine the truth that King Arthur is dead 1:35 - 3:48 Fantastic acting by Sylvester McCoy and Jean Marsh.
1:18 Gentlemen.
I believe all duels should include this moment
Sylvester and Sophie at the end was simply precious
Sophie Aldred and Sylvester McCoy were a perfect team. This was one of my favorite episodes of the entire McCoy era...especially with the return of The Brigadier.
It literally looks like they're fighting outside their own trailers.
They probably are. This is Doctor Who. No matter how much money they make the BBC, they always get given next to no budget to make their next season.
It was actually a disagreement between the actors and the camera happened to be filming lol
@@Apocalypse21187 no it wasn’t (or were you joking)
@@littlegrafter10 lol it was a joke pal 😉
Well it was a UNIT convoy so it’s meant to look like that...
The doctor just walking past casualy why they fight 😂
...and in 2015, Capaldi would do another great speech on war...
And as much as the Doctor has always been against war and violence, that speech was far more emotional and personal.
I LOVED that speech. The 9th, 10th and 11th Doctors were haunted by the Time War but even after saving Gallifrey it still affects him deeply and you could see it mostly when he said he heard screams every time he closed his eyes
@@FreeTheDonbas my main issue with it is the ending with how they had to keep on wiping everyone's memory because either a) the Zygon uprising has happened loads of times already or b) one of them kept on wanting to push their button with the second "making the whole speech irrelevant. Meaning first of all, the Doctor has had plenty of time to rehearse and learn it and its not off his heart, it's not sincere any more. And second of all, it proves that the human race is shit and would try and nuke itself, what the hell?" (Quote from Stubagful's Chibnall time discussion video for series 11). Also this is the episode that basically states that the Doctor watches the space version of... adult videos.
@@Jedi_Spartan
It was done because of some wise saying that you have to fail this many times for successful negotiations.
lol i love when people are like “dr who didn’t USED to be PoLiTiCaL” like have we been watching the same show bro???
Ivy J. I guess the writers tried to make it more subtle back in the day
Will Howorth ngl I wouldn’t call this subtle
Ivy J. I agree but this is one of the rare exceptions that defines the rule
Will Howorth I mean that’s mostly fair-thinking of episodes like the happiness patrol tho (I think that was the name of it but I might just be forgetful)
Everything is too political nowadays. It’s the president and affairs. The president has ALWAYS had an affair (not every president, but enough) and people knew about it, but it wasn’t until Clinton that people saw it as such a big deal. “Too much politics” is just the go to reasoning for why tv/movies suck.
I feel as though Jean Marsh should have played one of the Carronites
I really enjoyed that speech. I want his collection now. Hope it comes to the states soon.
This monologue is an incredible piece of writing and masterfully performances by Sylvester McCoy and reacted by Jean Marsh beautifully.
Beautiful speech
This era.... 💓💓
“Series 12 is too political” “Doctor Who never used to be this political” ah....yeah it was
and it only gets more so monkaS
stephen noonan political melodramatic drivel
@stephen noonan Also remember this was in the 80s. Cold War era. Two Superpowers just daring the other to strike first.
With orphan 55 it was annoying cause she wasn't talking to any character she was talking to the audience and reiterating the message of the episode which was already obvious, here he tries to convince morgaine of something
@@sennevandoorslaer7168 Except for the three characters in the room with her, who she was talking to, but otherwise, yeah. She wasn't talking to anyone, but those three characters.
And 7 just said this out of the top of his dead, it didn’t happen 14 times like in another story. Also the main baddie actually has an agenda, hopes, views and a reason why
What's not to love about ace and 7th doctor
Wouldn’t be great if we had an episode of DW that linked in some way to this one? Like the Great Intelligence with 11.
YES!
Battlefield, definitely my favourite McCoy era story, and a strong contender for my favourite Doctor Who story.
I thought it was better than Fenric, which I think is overrated.
Battlefield isn't one of my favourites, but I always appreciated the charming blend between historical knights with swords and armour, led by a medieval sorceress, in a world full of guns and nuclear weapons. Oh, and the Brigadier popping silver caps into a world-destroying demon with a handgun like a boss. I do like Morgaine as a villain though. Always have a soft-spot for antagonists with a sense of honour that aren't just farting around twirling a moustache at people.
Please tag anyone u know that think doctor who wasnt about lessons and humanity messing up
Remember when the doctor had real mystery to himself. The doctor uses to fear outer gods, felt like he could lose the day. Now a days the doctor is the outer god who walks on the inside. If that makes sense.
Now, to be fair to all the people arguing that Dr Who has always been political... and those are *somewhat* wrong, given that Dr Who tended to pass on conventional morality to children, rather than "cutting edge" morality...
The King Arthur "Battlefield" story brought us Brigadier Bambairah (this is how it was pronounced - I'm not sure how it was spelt), a replacement for the original Brigadier *who is both a woman, and black*. Which is almost as radical as a black woman playing Dr Who herself today, and this was over 30 years earlier. It's far more daring than a speech about how nuclear weapons are bad.
As an 8 year old, I was suspicious at first, but actually the 2nd Brigadier was so likeable that I was quickly won over. I suppose she's now one of my favourite Dr Who memories. Had Dr Who continued she could well have been a recurring character.
Here are two things to like about Brigadier Bambaira: firstly, she's a ballsy character, belligerent yet benign, just impatiently trying to get a job done in bewildering circumstances. She's funny, strong and highly charged. The sum of what I'm trying to say here is that she's pretty watchable (not every character is).
The second thing about her is that she's a positive addition, rather than a replacement. The show introduces a black female commanding officer and leaves it pretty much at that. We don't dwell on it or get speeches about how it's better. The men around her don't demonstrate that males are always incompetent.
Introducing a new, modern, female officer didn't mean that the show had turned against the Leighbridge-Stewart character, who himself came back and was given the chance to do something terribly heroic to save the world.
Here here!
@@patchworkfellow The Doctor has a moralistic side and knows what's right and wrong.
Bambera was an excellent character, but modern (2015 onwards) Who she would say “hey look I’m a black woman” every 6.3 minutes on average.
lovely video
His cane questions me
It’s actually an Umbrella
doctor who is great
Was*
@@stevenmcguinness4751 *to you
So nice acted! Such a nice story.
Doctor who has always been political and I love it so much
But in this he is directly talking to Morgaine to persuade her unlike the new ones that are ham fistedly shoved down our throats and is like the urkle sonic the hedgehog show endings.
I love how season 12 is like, "We dont give a care about sexist, racist haters or fake news climate change deniers." ❤❤
@@BestBFam The other series were like that as well remember when capaldi punched the racist guy when he was yelling at Bill.
@@BestBFam You don't have to be a climate change denier to see that speech was stupidly ham-fisted. We got the message, you don't have to spoon-feed it to us again at the end.
@@BestBFam Woiw you just had to us the ist insults.Plus no one denies that the earth climate is changing.The debate is on the reason why.And the word deniers was created to discreadit poeple who question glabal warming.it is a shut up i dont have to listen to you you are a denier.
awesome video
Sylvester at his finest
Why do they always transport missiles fully armed and fueled in Doctor Who?
Cuz safety is not fun.
I love ace so much
1:18 LOL
I wish they would tell story of arther that proceeded this
Love the look of the spaceship
Now THIS is how you add a political theme into an episode.
Amazing speech. Got in my nerves
But the music.... Oh god!
Keff (aka "Deaf") McCulloch with his synth stuck in demo mode again ;)
So tell me again how Doctor Who has gotten too political nowadays.
Phil Bolton Not the best example if you don’t object to the current state of Doctor Who, after all at this point It was losing Millions of Viewers and got Cancelled.
@@stevenmcguinness4751 Which is pretty much what the BBC leadership at the time wanted.
@@stevenmcguinness4751 Why is it always gammon types who insert Random Capitalisation? Does it Look More Grandiose? Also nice one on the No True Scotsman, keep at it champ.
@@pandaphil
If anyone is bringing politics and toxicity, it's people like 'you know who' and Steven. Just look at ''reviewers'' and ''critics'' (AKA hacks) like bowlestrek, they are just pandering to anti-SJW, every argument they make is in bad faith, with double standards of the size of Texas.
There's a difference between worthless identity politics and the politics of war.
My favourite doctor 🧡
Very well put indeed.
I do love that this story is won by the Doctor just explaining what nuclear weapons do to the antagonist. She's like "I'm evil, but I'm not _that_ evil".
People saying this is a one-up on people complaining about politicisation.
This isn't the same thing at all. The Doctor is appealing to Morgaine's sense of honour, and telling her that what she is doing is dishonourable and is merely killing for the sake of killing. It's not a generic speech about being against nuclear war, even though it can apply to anyone who thinks nuclear war is the answer to anything.
Thank you! :)
LMAO at your No True Scotsman.
@@snokful that's not how true scotsman fallacy works.
It's an objective fact that this scene has zero similarity to the speech at the end of, say, Orphan 55. The Orphan 55 speech was literally intended to be aimed at the audience, and treats them like idiots, whilst detracting from the episode itself.
This scene in Battlefield is 100% about the conflict with Morgaine. Any lessons for the audience are completely indirect.
Biotic_Warlock which, to me, is far more effective than trying to force a worldview through thin as tissue paper plots. Write of how and why the characters believe and act according to their beliefs and the big messages will naturally follow.
Doctor Who was really getting back to the best here but the BBC didn’t want it
It was right not to want such blatant + implausible propaganda. If this speech caused the end of Classic Who, it deserved to. Thankful that this story bombed, witn a public who had spent the whole 80s rejecting CND + even then were seeing the liberation of Eastern Europe.
@@conscienceaginBlackadder weirdo
I know it's too much to ask but, Can someone please write the speech?
My natal language it's Spanish and I don't quite understand what he is saying.
I love Doctor Who speeches.
M: Too late, Merlin!
7: Is it? Not while there's an abort button.
(Struggle)
7: If this missile explodes, millions will die. YOU will die.
M: I shall die with honour!
7: All over the world, fools are poised, ready to let death fly. Machines of death, Morgaine. Screaming from above. Light, brighter than the sun. Not a war between armies, not a war between nations, but just death - death gone mad! A child looks up into the sky, his eyes turn to cinders. No more tears. Only ashes. Is this honour? Is this war? Are these the weapons you would use? TELL ME!
M: No!
7: Then put a stop to it, Morgaine. End the madness!
(M Stops the Nuke)
Megan Almonte For future reference, you can search up “Doctor Who [episode name here] transcript” on Google and Chakoteya.net should have the entire episode.
Wicked!
Being back Susan and Ian please! :)
Joan regenerated into Sara Kingdom and then into Morgaine................stopping off along the way to marry Jon Pertwee!
What’s the music that plays during the sword fight called?
Wow, the actress that played "Morgaine" was in the movie "Willow". Cool clip. 😁👍
WoWzerGamer She also played a companion of the 1st doctor called Sara Kingdom in the Dalek’s Master Plan
@@GhostLightPhilosophy , sweet.
Thanks for letting me know. Still catching up on the older series.
@@GhostLightPhilosophy and Nicholas Courtney played Bret Vyon in the same story.
Who’d she do in Willow?
@@lochness5524 evil queen/witch
Great job
I’ve never actually watched Doctor Who, and this was so confusing.
What was confusing about it?
carealoo744 Who, what, where, when, and how
@@sunnylilacs Those questions could literally apply to literally every single factor in this clip.
A lot of it takes place by a lake and some rocks; Were you confused about that?
In other words; Can you please be Any more specific in your questions?
carealoo744 I don’t really want to. It was literally all confusing, and I guess I don’t really care enough about it to seek clarification.
@@sunnylilacs Okay, then I'm afraid I don't know how to help you. See ya! :)
They need to make a follow up story on this!! Would be great to see that! Maybe an opportunity for a multidoc story as well
There was a short story which was a prequel called "One Fateful Knight" by Peter David. In the short story, The 8th Doctor helps deliver baby Arthur and calls himself "Merlin". However, The Doctor encounters another Time Lord calling himself Merlin and Merlin is disrupting the timeline by supplying advanced weapons to primitive cultures. After a battle between Arthur and Mordred, Arthur is shot with a crossbow by Guinevere and is killed and The Doctor arrives too late to save him and the other Merlin is caught by Morgaine. The Doctor buries Arthur in Lake Vortigern and learns a message for The 7th Doctor.
@@danielwilliamson6180 That sounds awesome! love the fact its the 8th doctor as well
the idea of nuclear war truly terrifies me, mainly because there are enough nukes on this planet to wipe out humanity several times over. its madness to think letting one of those things off the chain will do anything other than kill a lot of people.
Fans: can't wait for the season finale!
BBC: but hey look at these videos that we just put up few days prior to the finale! they are NOT connected to the finale at all!
Fans: Sure Jan
It's because of the boxset
No sense beating a dead horse.
(1:17) Me when my friends or parents are fighting and I can't be arsed to join in.
He just walks through two men sword fighting without a care. It's no wonder he got shot to death in a gang war.
The letter survived but not the body? How?
Well, the Doctor wrote it to himself, so one must assume he was smart enough to use something that wouldn''t crumble to dust.
I loved Battlefield!
Production values are so cheap but the writing is so good.
Ace was yum.
When he yells "tell me" it reminds me of 11 when he screams
Back when Doctor Who was good ♥
still is
nope
@@MissTomi Why isn't it good now?
@Brent Slade Cause 13th Doctor is very boring, not cause it's a woman, is the script that's really boring.
Yo, Ace was kinda thick in this episode. 🤔
Do you mean thicc?
Or like thickheaded?
I like 7
Top notch acting on "Where is the king"
If that actor still has a career i would be surprised.
So where are those people whining about how Chibnall has "politicized" Doctor Who? As you can see, Doctor Who has always been that way. Maybe y'all are just mad that it's not a white male being political at you, but is now a woman, a Middle Eastern lady and a black dude, as well as the white guy.
I know, I know... "No, of course not, you feminazi!! WEEHHH!!" But think about it. Just THINK. Either you didn't know anything about Classic Who and were just speaking out of ignorance of the show's past, which is fine. However, now you know better, and you should probably STFU now. OR...you do know about Classic Who, and there's a reason why a political message only bothers you *now* when it doesn't in Classic Who. There has to be a reason.
And you can't say it's because it was more subtle in Classic Who, because as you can see, it wasn't. At all. It was just as blatant and in-your-face as it is now. So ask yourself why it only bothers you now, but you'll excuse me if I don't hold my breath.
Those people be mad when it's a woman smh. Good point there storm.👍🏾👌🏾
The writing's just not as good anymore, the gender or race of any of the main cast doesn't bother me at all
I just don’t think that Chris chibnills writing is good for who but that’s just me
LOL what? Good writing? That's awfully vague, and blatantly untrue. Bless poor Sylvester McCoy and Colin Baker before him, but this particular era of Doctor Who had the worst writing in the entire history of the show. Like any era, it had brilliant moments, but in general...nah.
Oh, wait, no. I'm wrong. There was one more point in time when it was worse. Series 6 of New Who, but that was more poor writing in a series arc sense, not individual episodes.
@@harrypainter7472 Agreed. How has season 12 been writing wise, it is better than last season 11?
Personally I don’t see how being vaporised by a fireball the temperature of the centre of the sun is honourable
Well, for the ice warriors it certainly wouldn't be
@@thehybrid210 for most species in the context of ‘being destroyed by you mortal enemy’ that would be the case
I think it's more honorable to renact your self insert fanfiction Infront of your entire family and that's barley more honorable
It's A Shame That Doctor Who Was Slowly Starting To Deteriorate During Colin Baker And Sylvester McCoy's Era But We Know Why Because The Television Networks At The Time Became Used To Producing Soap Dramas And Reality TV Shows That's How The Series Got Axed For 16 Years.
if this episode was a 13th doctor episode and this scene was exactly the same people would be calling it too political
This episode is telling us about nuclear war. It's telling us why we shouldn't go out of our way to start one. And most of all, it's not acting like it's Our fault specifically.
Chibnall wouldn't be able to write a cohesive speech even if it hit him over the head.
It's right what The Doctor says. It's his moralistic side. The horrors of nuclear warfare.
my only question is why in the BBC they refer to each doctor who season as a series while in the USA tv shows have seasons?
it is to separate new who and old who
Its not a US TV show
Not everything is about Seppos
“Oh my god so politically correct stop pushing an agenda” I’m sure that’s what the modern day complainers say about these classic episodes too.... I imagine so... I can’t imagine they’re hypocrites or something
Except that this has real meaning. It is about something that really matters. And it's not being shoved down our throats in the end with the Doctor all but looking out at us in a full fourth wall break.
exactly if this episode was a 13th doctor episode and this scene was exactly the same people would be calling it too political
and saying chibnall destroyed doctor who even though doctor who has always being political
This episode is telling us about nuclear war. It's telling us why we shouldn't go out of our way to start one. And most of all, it's not acting like it's Our fault specifically.
Kevyn The DevylMan “something that really matters” here I was thinking pollution, climate change, racism and mental health are things that matter.
carealoo744 that’s because it’s not our fault.... nuclear war isn’t exactly a problem in today’s society. Atleast not one created by the general public. Racism/mental health/pollution and climate change is all relevant to us. So rather than taking it personally, get the message it’s portraying. Same as this episode.
Tossing my two cents in: please don’t mistake universal messages of compassion and acceptance from Classic Who for pandering and tokenism in (some, not all of) the New Who stories. There’s a huge difference between creating stories that portray the human condition which organically represent societal ideals and slap-dashing together a barely there narrative to hit as many boxes as possible on a bingo card. Write stories about people for people, not to push a specific agenda. The moralizations will be inherent in the ways in which well-thought characters react to situations both incredible and commonplace.
Is this back when doctor who wasn't political or left wing?
No, because it never wasn’t.
This episode is telling us about nuclear war. It's telling us why we shouldn't go out of our way to start one. And most of all, it's not acting like it's Our fault specifically.
This is how to use political for story not how Current Who is doing. Its too obvious and shove down the throat.
But... But Doctor Who only became political in 2017!
The acting is porn tier
So was the budget
@@primarybufferpanel4468 Even though the budget had been greatly reduced, I would argue that the set designs and explosions were the best that Doctor Who had been since arguably The Hinchcliffe era.
@@englishgiraffe2124 They certainly didn't stint on the fireworks in Battlefield, likewise Remembrance of the Daleks and that spectacular explosion at the end of The Greatest Show in the Galaxy. I think you may well be right about the sets, too - although often cruelly constrained by budget, they were never less than imaginative.
McCoy and Ace and the Brigadier are like the only good actors in this story. The rest are quite shit.
Man old acting always feel so fake... idk why. Is it because they were doing studio emotion?
I’ve never seen the pre 9th doctor shows but this has piqued my interest
This was the weaker story in one of the better who seasons
The Incidental music in this era was awful.
This speech is pure cringe. Anderw Carmel patting himself on the back
Brian Finlay I think the speech is actually the best part of this story. which isn't saying much but I still think it's a good scene.
Brian Finlay Andrew Cartmel didn’t write this story. Ben Aaronovitch wrote it
@@EditedAF987 Cartmel was Script editor, so would often ad things to the script (like this speech).
How to destroy an franchise in two seasons... just put Chib-looser on the job..
I was like 30something when this aired, and I thought the entire show had turned really bad and cheesy, still think that now. I hated all the trends of the late 1980s that were put into the show.
Wow he was a terrible doctor.
Not really, it's low-key agreed his last two seasons were some of the best of classic
@stephen noonan Mccoy can ' really act he brought an entire new dimension of sadness and machevellian schemer to the role, 4 was just tom baker
WORST... nevermind.... 70s crap.
I wish they can use that phase to Putin.
lovely video