Wing Chun Mind Force ( Nim Lik) - What is it? How can we obtain it?
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- Опубликовано: 25 окт 2016
- In this video I meditate on the mysterious Wing Chun concept called by Sigung Chu Shong Tin 'Nim Lik'. In his 'The Book of Wing Chun Vol 1' Sigung states that the practice of the Siu Nim Tau form is for the discovery of this Nim Lik ( Nim ( present heart mind) Force or Power).
This knowledge is one of the treasures of the Yip Man lineage and a very fascinating subject to research and attempt to discover for yourself. In my next video I will talk about the concept taught to Sigung Chu by his Sifu - Dai Sigung Yip Man - the concept of Lup Nim.
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yes I know I'm discovering nim lik as I've been practicing siu nim tao daily for 11 years now..I'm really into the slowing of the breath and breath control.
Good for you Michael. It's extremely important that we believe that Nim Lik is our inheritance as Wing chun practitioners. Sigung Chu Shong tin stated that discovering Nim Lik is the purpose of practicing Siu Nim tau so why doubt that it's possible. Stories say that he acheived it in 2 years. To what level who knows but it is absurd to take the position that he was just an exceptional one in a million genius, otherwise what is the point of dedicating lots of your life to this art. His recorded 'last and final wish' was that we all try to find a way to use our Nim Tau and he hoped we coan find an easier way to do it and pass that on to others. that's a great challenge and a great quest isnt it! Keep at it brother. I like the breathing practice you mention. It's not spoken of as a prerequisite by most CST lineage teachers but really anything that gets you into that right mind state is AOK I reckon :)
Hey man I really appreciate the content you put up.
You cover lots of good material.
Keep up the good work.
Hey thanks Louise much appreciated. It's great fun exploring and contemplating this incredible human art isn't it! lots more to come.
Hi Louis! hope you are well mate and enjoying 2017. Just realized that I accidently put an e on the end of your name! Might have been my wifes computer which does that respelling for idiots thing. anyway sorry mate 😁 All the best, Dave
No worries mate.
At the moment I'm a bit sore from training but I'll be just fine once I get some shut-eye!
Thanks for the well wishing, I hope you're having a good year too.
Louis Hey Louis.
Can you contact me please.
Kelvin.k.kong@hotmail.com
Thanks
Thank you. Great painting in the background by the way.
Much appreciated 😀 I like it too, I painted it from life just near my house and decided to make our famous (here in Australia) Mount Warning as Daruma (Bodhidharma) founder of Kung Fu in Shaolin.
Hey thanks mate. I drew and painted it down the road from my place, it's our mountain as Daruma (Bodhidharma).
Another great vid.Much appreciated.
Thanks again mate😀 I was just thinking about you for some reason and I thought I bet you the cornish chippy is going to have a look at my other videos. Ask anything you want if I dont make things clear. Cheers from The Great South Land
Hi mate..Thanks for the reply.I will watch every video you make on WC.You seem to have a great understanding and explian things very well which helps someone like myself.Kindest Cornish regards from the Northern hemisphere.
Ps any tips on achieving the holy grail of Relaxation very much appreciated!
@@colreef Thanks for the encouragement, I better get in and create some new content!
OK relaxation - our Chinese elders call it fong sung and the best translation I can give you is - 'Let go of all tension and learn to connect to the power of softness'.
This from a Chinese student of Sigung Chu.
So I practice this as a constant meditation - stand naturally and quietly 'audit' all parts of your body for any tension. Start with your face! Feel the muscles on the surface let go, then the deep muscles, then down your back then down yr front, the major leg muscles, all the joints imagine softening and empty.
Imagine soft melting soles of your feet!
This is the first part of fong sung. A personal practice whenever.
I do it floating in a pool or lying in bed or under the shower. Imagine the water draining away tension.
Second part takes time, maybe a long time? Maybe not, maybe hit and miss at first. Essentially- you need to 'feel' and 'believe' that when you are soft and effortless and tension free then you are at your most solid and powerful (and your body is unified into one jointless soft mass).
Constant patient practice of using no force, experiencing the power when a partner tests you - eventually something changes in your psyche and softness feel like POWER!
This is my experience and its based on my really dedicated pursuit of this and having some true masters here in Oz that I have learnt from.
Look...you dont really need a really full on school or Sifu to get good with this. You can to quite an extent find this for yourself.
I will help you anytime mate.
For starters just focus on what I have written here and have a look at my vid about testing with a partner, its a simple practical approach that works. Somebody who cares and who will give you feedback. Just remember - if its not (mostly) effortless its not Wing Chun.
Cheers😁
@@DavidStewartLovegrove wow thanks so much for taking the time to reply.Such great comprehensive advice.I so appreciate.I will take onboard all you have suggested.Will let you know how i get on.Will have more questions too if you dont mind?
Ps Did you train or meet Chu shong tin?Ive watched quite a few of his videos.He looked like an amazing man very humble but possessed an amazing skill.
@@colreef No worries :) I never met him personally, had the chance in 99 as he ran a seminar at my teacher (Suzanna Ho's) school, I couldn't attend for some forgotten reason. My Sifu Jim Fung trained under him as did Sifu Ho (11 years in Hong Kong) and all the other great practitioners who have taught me what it's about trained personally with him numerous times.
I would have loved the chance to train with him as he was a legend. Funny thing is he taught the art very simply and clearly and thats what has been passed to me and thats how I aim to keep it - simple. I keep contact with some of his most senior Chinese students and they keep it simple too. Remember - DON'T THINK...FEEL! :) Cheers mate.
yes theres a video my teacher did on diaphramatic breathing gigong and siu nim tao if you would like to see it go to godwin wing chun and check it out.it has to do with abdominal shifting.it's a ability siu nim tao practice gives you but only by correct practice of the first set.
its all about expanding spine totaly, and using anapana breathing, when you use tai gong, and breath in totaly, then the sacrum releases and the hip locks so leg and body are united, then body works as one piece, the state of mind is samadhi, when you expand your joints, then the chi will flow, its all about maintaining the expansion
just practice siu nim tao for 20mins daily and you'll dicover nim lik just remember it takes two years to build a solid foundation in wing chun.by practicing daily.never stop training the first set if you do your skills will diminish.
That's great advice Michael! " Constant practice reveals it ( Nim Lik)" It's a feeling that will come to you if you practice with a still calm mind and be patient.
I think I understand the computer game reference. I remember playing Halo on the xbox and once I had mastered the basics of the hand controller I ceased to think about how the mechanics of moving. Rather than thinking press A, or right toggle, I just moved yourself on the screen without conscious thought. Those were the days. How important is it to have another pursuit or outlet in life, such as your painting, that one can achieve this unconcious state in?
Hi Daniel, you've got it, it's sometimes called flow state and I think that any other experience of that 'feeling' of a different and inspired and beautiful state of mind is valuable. The key is to be able to artificially hold your self in that special state and not change under pressure.
As a drummer (my only real mastery of an instrument) I found that my mind would lose concentration easily at first and then with practice got stronger and longer.
I think people can understand that with playing music or art but martial art shouldn't be different. Hard to get without a teacher, someone to model the power and experience fir you. It is very real but still rare but the net is a world changing force, especially youtube where anyone can have their say.
The key to the gaming idea is to be able to virtualize your own body and the others body so that the interaction feels to your mind like a game. has to practiced gradually and gently, forget fighting think of it as just a game of energy.
It's fighting applications become really obvious once you achieve a certain level.
Has taken me a long time but I am trying to find a way(s) to help others get it much quicker!Cheers
This is likely incomplete, but I seem to recall something about a major reason humans have several times less strength than that of primates relates to a concept of neurological regulation/inhibition that prevents humans from utilizing the full potential of their muscular/connective tissue systems for the purposes of preventing and or minimizing serious injuries to tendons etc.. Primates have no such 'governor' in their brains and consequently have access to great strength, but if injured as a result of utilizing it in the wild would conversely lower their longevity and survivability as a result. Humans, if utilizing their maximum strength potential, I have read could be around 3 x stronger than their default state. Bypassing this governor in conditions of extreme stress probably explains things like 'hysterical strength'. Although by accessing this state to complete the emergency task required, often the individual has destroyed their joints in the process. In the case of say lifting weights, humans are essentially recalibrating their neurological governor to function at an improved level over time, teaching the body to more safely access increased strength potential. Whatever is happening with Nim Lik seems similar in some ways to the above, but different in others... The obvious major difference being it is employing the IMA concept of muscular release rather than muscular contraction.
A very profound comment. Thanks so much! I have a feeling that you have either trained with Sigung Chu or listened closely. He apparently said that we can generate about three times our own weight. He also said that weight training is really good and he wishes he had done it more when he was young, because his mindforce was too powerful for his sinews! I was taught to avoid weights when I first started training which I found very frustrating, but then a much more senior guy to my teacher told me that that was BS and encouraged me. I've never looked back since, it's obviously just really important to understand the difference between using relaxed force and tense force. which I'm sure you do understand. Thanks so much for writing. See you again
basicly need to practice siu nim tao because Li leeds Chi, need to learn to do SNT totaly expanded for samadhi converts shen to li then li leeds chi - thus SNT and chum kiu and biu jee are chan meditation for the eternal spring, the eternal spring flows through our body if we align it, we attach to it, SNT comes from sigung Yuen Kay San i think, before then it was seperate set's
the other thing is,.. you can not controll chi, you leed it, it needs to flow to an empty space, like high pressure into low pressure, once the alignment happens, then our core fills up, and when we expand joints, we allow these to fill up too, but the key being, not controlllijnng, or expecting anything,.. you do like Sigung says.... u start doing it by standing meditation, till u can relax fully, when he can get samadhi, then u practice SNT with it.. but the expansion is everything, and u cant force it,.. u gota stand and give yourself permission to relax the areas.. many people cant do it because stress gets stored in facia systems and will not allow u to flex and expand, u really have to get rid of somataform stress.. or emotional armouring as wilhelm reich called it..
Thanks for sharing your profound experience and ideas Cyanide. I haven't heard of anapana breathing before, what is that about. I like what you say about entering samadhi and about expansion 'happening' to you. There seems to be many ways to think and find this art individually, I get the feeling that you have a lot of personal experience.
No problem, I start by standing in dragon riding stance or horse/goat stance, then i press the crown of my head upward, then i sink i relax down my spine, then down my legs, then i contract mula bandha (tai gong) then i breathe out totaly and press belly in as hard as possible ( aa few breath cycles) and i push bell out as hard as possible (for a few breath cycles) this seems to help relax the sacrum and pelvis area, and then i feel it all relax, breathing in as much as possible and out as much as possible seems to help trigger something to relax this area, When When breathing in, i breath in for around 5 seconds, though i dont count it.. then i pause breathing using my diaphram and i can feel the energy from breath radiate outward as im expanding, when the energy feels like its declining i breath out totaly and then repeat and breath in fully.. as you relax the bit where you have breathed in and holding breath will get longer... you can count the gap between breath, this is what buddhist text refer to as 'counting breath' This is anapana. 3 Phase Breathing.
as you relax and expand you'll feel the chi build and grow stronger, and the gap longer, and spine and everywhere will become soft
This is is cultivated and the state becomes Samadhi ; its just like Sigung CST said, but he said Sung, Mulha bundha has the ability to lock the pelvis which unites and consolidates the sacrum and spine, this changes the body configuration from 3 secion to two secion body.. ' man is drawn between heaven and earth, by suspending by the cown, stretching crown upward, and expanding spine downward' Tai Gong unites heaven and Man.(head and torso down to knees) expansion unifies body in samadhi state. which is unification with the divine.
I sugest Reading The Book of Living And Dying ; and looking at meditation postures eg. : braymeditationspace.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/kodo-sawaki-zazen-posture.jpg Note their spinal structure ;-) 'drawn between heaven and earth.. The crown and the perenium ( u can feel a cavity there) ' ruclips.net/video/kIqlZ6nn268/видео.html
i just had things start to happen a month or two ago,.. i have been practicing it for over a year continiously it has made profound difference to all of my practice, I have been trying to expand my spine for a loong time, I use microfacial release and i also meditate alot. but its taken me along time to achieve Samadhi. it seems to be the key to everything
another factor to think about is.. to think about chi as love, breath in love and compassion, breeath out compassion and love, alow out to expand inside you with your relaxation and anapana. This is the Jewl.
Hi cyanide :) Your ideas are really remarkable, thanks for sharing them and as I too have a Yoga background I can relate to what you are doing. Such practices overlap really well with Wing Chun. Our own personal practice can be as creative as we want it to be. I have some interesting practices that I will be posting soon on this channel. Thanks again mate.
Hi Kwoon hope all is well. I have been performing the sim Kim Tau the way Sifu Tin shung ting said and also from watching your videos. I feel this tingleling in my lower back and Heat in my head. I also feel a coolness in my muscles/ joints. what is that? it feels cool but not sure what that is. can you enlighten me if you can?
Hi mate that is great! the feelings vary from person to person but good that you feel 'feelings' as it is your mind of the body becoming more aware of itself. the coolness is a very good thing, softness usually feels flowing and cool. means you're chillin' out dude 😀
well done keep at it.
here's my take on it from my own training: what you feel is less important than what you think. If you start thinking too much about the sensations you feel (personally I only feel heat or physical tenseness/relaxation) then your mind is not focused on doing the form properly.
IMO if you are making sure that you do the form properly; by which I mean with intent and not letting your mind wander then whatever you feel shouldn't matter. When I do things like tan sau and fook sau in the form I can feel the hand doing the action grow warm; but I try not to get distracted by that; instead I'm just focused on doing the movement correctly and thinking it correctly.
I think its best when you are so absorbed in thinking about the movement that you can't think of anything else; like if I'm doing tan sau reaaaallly slow I"ll just be thinking forward forward forward and my arm moves by itself.
that's just my 2 cents
Spot on Louis, 'so absorbed' is the way isn't it. For me I have a yogic approach to still the mind so that I have no words going through my mind rather images or better just being. I think that its vital to find and trust your own way into this. Ideas and approaches of others can be very valuable but I find that there is always 'Dave's way' which works for me. It's endlessly fascinating stuff :) Watch out for my next video ( haven't posted for a few weeks which is not good, have my excuses of course!) you will find it really interesting. Cheers mate
Louis thanks for your reply
Daiwai Kwoon I'll forward to.your next video
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Spot on Andrew! The Mind of Zen The cultivation and harnessing of Chi. Wing Chun is SO much more than going the biff 😀