Wing Chun - Difference between 'mindless' and 'mindful' relaxation
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- Опубликовано: 19 дек 2015
- www.mindfulwingchun.online
Nima giving his idea on relaxation and why it shouldn't be sloppy (mindless).
Good for all Martial Arts / Kung Fu practitioners to try out !
*A note about this channel the lineage:
Sifu Nima King is the owner and team leader of Mindful Wing Chun, a CST Wing Chun school in Hong Kong with affiliations around the world. Mindful Wing Chun is wholeheartedly dedicated to passing on the internal wing chun method as passed down by Grandmaster Chu Shong Tin who was the longest serving student of Grandmaster Ip Man. Chu Shong Tin lived with Ip Man for 5 years (1950-1955) and was coined the title ' the king of siu nim tao' by his master Ip Man.
He was a legend in the world of Wing Chun (in particular the internal method of wing chun) and spent 64years passing it on full-time before he passed away in 2014. Nim King practiced under hin in Hong Kong for 9 years and established Mindful Wing Chun under CST's guidance. Nima is also on the board of Directors for the 'Chu Shong Tin Alumni' which is a group of senior students of CST that were hand picked by him to establish the Alumni and to uphold and continue his teachings and Wing Chun legacy after he passed away.
Grandmaster Chu Shong Tin was a very humble and low-key Wing Chun Master therefore its only after we began putting his videos online, that people started to hear about him. In fact, majority of the main Wing CHun teachers (of the Ip Man lineage) who began practice in the 50s and early 60s (apart of Leung Sheung and Lok Yiu) were trained by CST even-though they were Ip Man's students. This is due to CST being the most snr and main teacher of Ip Man's school in those days.
Nima was lucky to start his practice under CST in 2005 because that's when CST decided to change his teaching to all internal practice so that he can pass on "Nim Tao' and 'Nim Lik' (the mind power/energy cultivated through internal Wing Chun practice) to his students.
Nima, even though a non-chinese and much younger than the other students of CST, attained a high level of these final teachings. He now mainly teaches the seniors within this lineage and also travels around giving workshops and is working on an online program so that master CST's teaching can have a greater reach.
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Long live the genuine and internal art of Wing Chun / Ving Tsun!
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It is like playing badminton. When you smash, you need to relax your wrist and your entire arm. In badminton, the most important thing is footwork. Once you position yourself correctly, you focus on the birdy (your target), then smash by a reflect action of your body and arm movement without thinking about it. Doing a punch is the same; just focus on your target and punch by a reflect action of your whole arm. I am self-learning Wing Chun by watching all the videos of Sifu Chu Shong Tin. He is truly inspiring. I wish I could be his disciple just like you. Too bad, I wasn't interested in Wing Chun until a month ago.
I really like the way you think and analyze things. I reckon you can get very good at this art. And happy to hear that you're interested in and trying to pick up this method from the videos. You are probably already on there but if not you should definitely check out our online school www.mindfulwingchun.online
we spent the last 5years working on it and are still working on it. Basically there are nearly 1000hours of instructional videos including hundreds of hours of Chu Shong Tin teaching footage from all eras of his teaching career. If interested in really going deep into his teachings in a proper systematic way, then that is the way.
All the best in your journey!
its funny how destiny works... ive been killing myself for the last year or so trying to move vertebrae at a time... ive just realized that relaxing allows the opening if you move with intention of no muscle (i cant believe im saying this cuz i wanted to punch ppl that said this stuff cuz it made 0 sense to me) but to see this video moves me, and i thank you for your determination to open wing chun to the world. (my sifu was not so open/ but i do love and respect him)
p.s. when you said, " it comes from the relaxation of the spine", and, "consciously forget your arm" my energy exploded outside of myself. it seems you really "intend" to share and i appreciate that more than words can express.
Hi Jeremy,
wow man, it make me very happy to read your comment. It certainly brought a smile to my face. You know, every now and then people like yourself take the time to write a thank you and mention that the videos are helping them and really that's the drive for me to keep driving forward with maximum speed. This is the main reason I'm working hard to get a proper online school up and running this year because I think that if so many people are benefiting from these systematized delivery of our RUclips channel, then the online school is going to certainly be a game changer and extremely helpful for you all.
Thank you very much for taking the time and rest assured, this very basic and simple channel is only the tip of the iceberg of me sharing CST's Wing Chun to the world. I plan to present the entire system (including the weapons) as taught by him in the last decade of his life and am working hard to come up with the simplest, most efficient and most informative way of doing that with the online school.
cheers dude,
Nima
I am new to Wing Chun, if you don't mind me asking what is the name of your Sifu and what lineage? I would also like to understand the different approach in Wing Chun.
Dam... Nima is really speeling out all the secrets here. I dont know whats gotten into him but hes been going all out these last few weeks. I hope he keeps it up lol Im soakin it up like a sponge.
+dhern049 what secrets? it's just wing chun
hehe, glad you found these vids useful man. thanks
I find it helps to think of the spine as a lever that moves the body parts. Practically when you punch, you pull on your tail bone, feeling like you’re pulling down and in. For this to happen though you have to do some standing practice in which you’re made to create the correct structural alignments and made to feel your spine. Once you do this, I think you can consciously forget your arm. I think the higher level is if you place your consciousness in two points. One in your spine (particularly the tailbone, back bow and maybe the neck bass) and in the solar plexus of your opponent. I find if you do this, even a slight movement can cause undetected structural collapse of your opponent. This can happen at touch if you’re really good.
Good stuff! and thank you very much for sharing.
lol. more destiny here! i just became aware the spine exists between the legs and it can help move the body and go low. i am amazed at how little we know about our own bodies for a whole lifetime... ive also realized my spine is glued to my right hip/leg with muscle. it limits my movement and this standing (especially with my back brace alternated on and off) helps to relax... if you "shut it off" as i now think of it, and not "relax" thanks to these vids.
Great to,talk about things. Also, there might be a new way to use your imagination to create the break. Use the spine to line up with the point of contact to target the solar plexus. It’s like the spine is the stick, the POC the cue, and the solar plexus the pocket. These aren’t my ideas. There’s a guy around your way named Adam Hosier that teaches this stuff.
good one, muay thai talks about balance, and the body needs to be internal relaxed and aligned for ultimate balance. tuck in the chin and keep your tail bone in like sitting down. stand with same width with shoulders and when kicking and during and after kicking be able to do other movements. followed by the structure stability and relaxation to hit or defend from any angle or position
luckily sifu nima recorded and translated Sigung skills in detail. else most of it will be gone.
Its become my major life's goals. Have spent the last 4years working fulltime on the online school ( www.mindfulwingchun.online). It has well over 500 hours of both instructional footage and breakdown and translations of footage taken from Chu Shong Tin's teachings. Am now working on filming the weapons section and then the program will be complete and the entire system as taught to me by him will be available for all. It's something I'm very proud of and I hope he is happy about it too wherever he is :)
Thank you Sifu Nima! God bless!! :)
Cheers my friend. same to you and yours
Thank you ! Always good stuff
Cheers John, glad to have your support man!
I like the hand brake analogy; it's very apt. Muscles are not strength. Muscles RESTRICT movement. Strength is the cable [ligaments] to the crane [skeletal structure]. The muscles are there merely to stabilize the "lever".
One thing: our arm will maintain it's structure and linear force by itself. The wrist is the steering wheel; the elbow is the piston. Energy misdirected is wasted. We often neglect to focus on the wrist [and forward pressure], with more subtlety and relaxation. The elbow if kept in proper position will naturally follow in-line with our movement. The snap comes from the wrist and ligament activation.
Thanks for that as always. One thing I would say from my feeling is that the mind is the steering wheel and the wrist and elbows are the outlets that we aim/flow through, resulting in the joints moving automatically :)
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Correct; I speak mostly of our physical architecture which is merely a structure to "complete a circuit" and "send/receive energy". Movement is the middle-man between intention and effect. We should strive to cut all "thought" out. Wing Chun is a PRINCIPLE-BASED art, NOT a movement-based or even technique-based art. Techniques are NOT responsive. However, principles [with understanding of line & energy] perfectly respond by intrinsic nature. Our movements simply "flow" from the principles of line & energy. I often point to bodily cues as a roadmap to the intention being directed by the mind [for instance, when I use a Tan Sao with the "splitting" idea, there is a instinctive gap between the middle two fingers] while "spreading" makes my hand "spade out".
However, the "intention" is really our mind directing our chi, then sending or receiving this energy. In truth Siu Nim Tao is a meditation on our own tools & energy; it does NOT teach application and is NOT movement-based. It aligns the body to the mind, then to state. Movement is just for neural pathways so the mind can "wire" the body responding with intention. We should focus on a different intention [kind of chi or spirit] each time and pay attention to how the "character" of our movement changes. One thing: if we do not possess this "gift" or particular intention, it will not work [it can also be shut down if the opponent has the opposing intention in place]. Pressure points, if understood, are a great diagnostic tool for discovering our student's gifts so they can mine the most potential from themselves. Wing Chun is "inside-out", not "outside-in" like other arts.
If we taught people how to walk, robotically, like most martial arts schools the students would hardly take a step. When a child walks, they align their body to their intention. In other words, eventually they just WALK. There's no trigonometry or navigational computer or protractor to measure proper foot angle. When the child "tries" by trial and error, they are doing a very crude kind of Siu Nim Tao. But a child knows to focus on his intention: to go over there...
I think what I was [poorly] trying to say in my original comment is most people focus on shoulders and unseat them in movements, adding "push" or tension. I try to encourage activating with the wrists and hands snapping with intention rather than being "pushed" or "driven". Then, once the proper softness is in place, there is a focus on the "nail-gun" [activation of the elbow in the "line" of attack]. Then, later we move to softness and absorption [& swing] of the shoulders and hips. I often say our fingers should be like minnows darting to target, everything else is drawn behind. In truth, the activation of the pinky "sends" or leads our elbow strikes. This often is a "hack" to turn tension into intention. This is also why CST often focused on the pinky in striking or one-inch-punch discussions: it was more about the line [nail-gun] of the elbow [which is attached].
God bless you. Great and thought-provoking response as always. I hope you, your school & your family are well.
i like his explanation of siu nim tao.
Glad you liked it Mike!
It is not even Christmas :). I have some time training, and i was totally the guy "one by one going like that", well i guess i have a new toy this christmas, and i will play with it forever xD.
By the way there is any special visualization for this very straight and thin line of emptiness continuously flowing up, i was thinking in a blue lightsaber whirlwind-up, but to be sure which one do you use.
Thank you very much Sifu Nima.
Hi Mateo, I think at first you can use any visualization that works for you. After some time you wont need to visualize anything because you will begin to actually feel rather than having to visualize, and then you can work with the feeling. cheers
Hi Sifu Nima! Just want to ask some things if I may? How important is visualisation of what works inside the body? What’s the sensation when one is visualising? Timely I read something about that could kinda relate to it and just wanted to jot it down so if I could know from you if these are correct.
The image in the book states, think of the central axis as a waterspout or geyser that my head floats effortlessly on.. and if I were to visualize sinking.. should I think like my body is melting down to the ground? Do I visualise while doing siu lim tau? or by just standing? Thank you in advance Sifu!
Hi Ryo,
I think visualization can be a great tool to create a feeling of intention. So it can be used as a bridge to gaining the correct intention and then there's no need for it. The 2 visualizations you mentioned sound good. you can try them in all your Wing Chun practice for a few months and evaluate the effects and changes they bring to your training.
personally I played around a lot with these kind of visualizations in the beginning. things like water / air flowing up the spine, imagining the spine is lighting up in a white or blue light (like Gabriel mentions below), muscles melting or deflating, joint decompressing etc. I think some of these visualizations definitely helped me get a feeling in different parts of the body and from there I could gain better control of those areas.
So I think definitely have a play around with different things and always give it a good go (in terms of applying them daily) for a couple of months before evaluating their effects.
Happy new year and all the best in your training for 2016.
cheers,
Nima
Nice work.
Cheers :)
Must we restrain ourselves about how we move with the goal being to use no muscles to keep our arms up?
Regardless of position or movements the aim should be: 'the less effort the better!'
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