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Never say never when it comes to Sauron. His power at that point maybe at that minimum threshold, but he could siphon power from things here and there, or could recover with help from Sauron Loyalists.
I love it the way you analyse Tolkien works. If only, you analyse the Bible the same way. By now, you would be asking if the Bible is really the work of GOD or someone else intention to corrupt the word of GOD and Jesus was never a GOD.
es he can come back yes he could rule the world but it is completely dependant on others. Either he leads, or someone binds him, owever, he would not have any more power than his own spirit
@@playfuluniquebubblyguy7826Newsflash: The "Holy" Bible is SOLELY the work of MAN. Get used to that fact, and you'll have a happier life. Or not. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. But what you said, does.
@@diollinebranderson6553 for those who are eating bread without butter or with other dairy products and hate butter YES! This is also how religions work.
You can’t blame Isildur. Even Frodo was corrupted in the end. The only reason why it got destroyed was because Gollum and Frodo were fighting right over the lava.
Almost correct, that was the movies but in real lore It was stated noone had what it took to throw the ring in not even frodo, Eru basically “pushed or guided”gollum into the lava as he knew in the end NOONE would be able to do it.
except thats not what happened, you see this is fantasy so gollum just lost his balance and thats why the ring was destroyed, its just an accident, no eru
"... he will be maimed forever, becoming a mere spirit of malice that gnaws itself in the shadows, but cannot again grow or take shape." A true hell for one so high, proud and mighty. Retaining just enough knowledge of his former state to be aware of how much he had lost. Ouch.
@@Balboainc my very young friend I assure you we shall return for the Dagor Dagorath our work is not yet finished ... as our evil is sewn into the very fabric of time we are forever
@@AnnatarCarvourMelkor might come back for the end but not Sauron, mainly because Melkor was never vanquished but merely banished to the void beyond whereas Sauron is a barely sustained shade crawling in the dark.
I always wondered if Saurons' diminishment wasn't because of Celebrimbor. As I understand it, Sauron had no idea the elven rings had been created; he crafted his spells specifically for the seven and the nine. When in the final process of forging the One, he became aware of the Three and suceeded in encompassing them also, but at a much greater cost to himself than he originally anticipated. Therefore, his fate was tied to the One Ring more than was ever wanted or forseen.
I always thought that Sauron subtly guided Celebrimbor to create the Three so as to make their bearers open to the control of the One, just as he did with the Nine and the Seven. But you're right in that he underestimated Celebrimbor's skill and the Elves' strength of will, as he did the Dwarves (who could be tempted and corrupted by wealth but not have their wills dominated). So the bearers of the Three were immediately aware of Sauron's intent (which he almost certainly didn't intend to happen) as soon as he finished the One, took their rings off and didn't wear them as long as he wore his.
Then Sauron fell thanks to his unwise, unsecure huge investments into this little ring ? Too bad for the evil one... He should have gone for gold or platinium bullions instead... ❤💰
@@chriscooper654No, originally the 9 and 7 were ment for the elves essentially he was going to find elves that fell to temptation of power make them rulers of full regions of Middle earth but all the while rule over and manipulate them to fall under his control. However when the 3 were made he had to change plans, he learned of their existence during the forging process of the one ring, and so encompassed them as well... but also alerted the owners of the 3 who heard the one ring being forged through their link. Essentially ruining his "surprise" and making it so no elf would willingly fall under his will. This ruined Sauron's original plan to catch the elves by surprise so instead he gave the 7 to the dwarves but found them far to stubborn to be easily manipulated (which is why this part of his plan ALSO failed, it was already a rushed plan B) But he found humans much more pliable and gave the remaining 9 to them. Though he never had much faith in their strength, or spirit. This is why they were essentially the third choice, which finally succeeded unhindered.
As I understand it, when Sauron forged the One Ring, he bound his life essence to it, and when it was un-made, his life essence was effectively removed from this plane of existence. Unlike him however, Melkor (Morgoth) was not un-made, he was bound in darkness after his defeat at Utumno, and Tolkien prophesied in the appendices of LOTR that Melkor would return for Dagor Dagorath, the final battle.
Morgoth literally couldn't be destroyed. He'd poured his power into the entire world, so the whole of Middle Earth functioned as his "ring." And even Sauron wasn't destroyed so much as crippled, rendered unable to ever again take a physical form.
Sauron's spirit would likely try to return to Morgoth to perhaps get some of his power back. I have to believe Sauron would play some role in Dagor Dagorath.
Sauron is still alive, he is just a very weakened spirit and the vast amount of power he lost cannot be reclaimed. It would take Ilúvatar to restore his power. He is still around though, just a minor influence at most.
@@sherrieludwig508because the current is even worse a puppet much like Grima and Theoden If you can't see that you've been blinded by the rings power already
@@AnnatarCarvour Awww, how cute. Aren't you just the silliest little trumpling. Going to visit your god in jail? How much of your meager money have you sent to this fake rich man? LOL.
I have never seen it as openly on other channels, but I love how you cite every source of image for these videos. It isn;t too big, but it pays homage to the people and companies that made these images. You are doing great work, with that and the channel at large ❤
We indeed didn't mention that one, as that's a bit far back into the timeline, and even including that, there's been more examples of Sauron losing forms. So we decided to keep the list a bit shorter, and limit it to more well-known examples that paint the proper picture sufficiently well. But thank you for mentioning it! It's a nice reminder for people that there's more lore than merely what we have time for in a video 😉
Sauron didn't give up his werewolf form. He turns into a serpent and a "monster" and then into his humanoid form, surrenders dominion of his tower to Luthien, and flees as a vampire with his throat still bleeding.
@@richardkenan2891 I would serve either of them without question. They were the kindest and most just rulers Middle Earth ever had. Damn elves and their arrogance plus the humans who believed the elven lies....such foolishness.
Tolkien started writing about the happenings after Sauron's fall and had some ideas. Shame he didn't get to continue it. However one of the last things he wrote was about looming darkness, so my guess is that he survived and Melkor would probably return
Actually it happened blown away by the winds away from the eternal lands so he could never return and get form again also did not have any more spirit energy to do so he put it onto the ring he can never again take form as he used it all up
Good thing for Gandalf and co. that destroying the Ring actually also destroyed Sauron's power and not, say, simply released it back to him. As far as I know there has never been a precedent for this sort of thing so the Free Peoples shouldn't have been that cock-sure that melting the One Ring would have this specific effect. Would have for sure sucked if after Frodo's adventures, Sauron simply walked out of Barad'Dur and started smashing everyone's face in.
They acted on faith and trust that the Valar would have sent something more than wise advisors to Middle Earth had there truly been no way for men and elves to defeat Sauron - and if destruction of the One Ring wouldn't do it, there was no other way they could manage it. Faith, trust, good will, and love are the path to success on Arda. And if that faith and trust hadn't paid out, the Valar would have probably had to wreck Middle Earth to dispose of Sauron. I'm sure they didn't want to do that, but ultimately, as the supreme authority over all the Ainur on Arda, Sauron *WAS* their problem to solve.
Other rings, lesser rings and even greater rings of the dwarves were destroyed before by Dragon's fire, so they knew that destroying a ring of power with fire destroy the power used in making it too.
@richardkenan2891 a good chunk of middle earth got drowned in the first age because they were fighting the strongest Valar and Balrogs and Maiar and Kaiju dragons. This is one guy who was an assistant to the big bad with some improved orcs. Send a dozen or so full powered Maiar or just any non pussy Valar ( I concede there aren't many) to basically bonk him on the head and drag him back to Valinor. Heck I'm pretty sure Aule could figure out how to unmake the ring
The mouth of Sauron is even more terrifying and frightening than any form of Sauron himself. Does anyone else feel like the mouth of Sauron whom is depicted as a human man of nurmanor (misspelled I know) whom betrayed to be a servant of Sauron is more terrifying than Sauron himself? I feel like Sauron’s humanoid form should have looked like the character mouth of Sauron.
That's the movie version of Sauron's spokesman. In the real story i.e. the books, he is not deformed, just a tall mortal man, somewhat evil-looking. P. Jackson was unconcerned with altering the source material and, at times, inserting ludicrous parodies of characters.
I love how Tolkien picked 25th March, which became the Gondorian new year - historically it was the new year date in England, and still is in Iran (Nowruz), its the reason the UK tax year begins in April
Tolkien was Catholic 25th March is the day of the Annunciation, the day that Gabriël visitid the Blessed Virgin 25th March is also the day Jesus died on the Cross
I think it would have been nice if you had brought in more quotes from the books. I think it was Gandalf who said that Sauron was like a spirit that would consume itself for eternity after the Ring was destroyed. Tolkien also started to write a sequel with Sauron as the villain but decided that he didn't want the books to be neverending like that.
After the movies he fell on hard times, after losing a lengthy court battle over royalty payments, he fell into drug use and prefers to keep to himself within his west Hollywood apartment
He opened a bakery up the street from here. Changed his name slightly to Sauers but we all know it's him. It's a very good bakery and quite successful. Honestly, if he had done this all those years ago so much stress could have been avoided.
Prof Tolkien wrote a large number of personal letters to his fans answering questions. Following is his letter 131 where he answers Sauron's fate - Sauron rules a growing empire from the great dark tower of Barad-dûr in Mordor, near to the Mountain of Fire, wielding the One Ring. But to achieve this he had been obliged to let a great part of his own inherent power (a frequent and very significant motive in myth and fairy-story) pass into the One Ring. While he wore it, his power on earth was actually enhanced. But even if he did not wear it, that power existed and was in ‘rapport’ with himself: he was not 'diminished’. Unless some other seized it and became possessed of it. If that happened, the new possessor could (if sufficiently strong and heroic by nature) challenge Sauron, become master of all that he had learned or done since the making of the One Ring, and so overthrow him and usurp his place. This was the essential weakness he had introduced into his situation in his effort (largely unsuccessful) to enslave the Elves, and in his desire to establish a control over the minds and wills of his servants. There was another weakness: if the One Ring was actually unmade, annihilated, then its power would be dissolved, Sauron’s own being would be diminished to vanishing point, and he would be reduced to a shadow, a mere memory of malicious will. But that he never contemplated nor feared. The Ring was unbreakable by any smithcraft less than his own. It was indissoluble in any fire, save the undying subterranean fire where it was made-and that was unapproachable, in Mordor. Also so great was the Ring’s power of lust, that anyone who used it became mastered by it; it was beyond the strength of any will (even his own) to injure it, cast it away, or neglect it. So he thought. It was in any case on his finger. -J.R.R. Tolkien, The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, #131
You would think somone as smart as Sauron would have taken more precausions to prevent anyone from even being able to throw the ring into the fire. Like bloking all entrences and protecting the top with a magical barrier that makes it so things can go out but not in....ore heck just a big dome over the Lava would have already done the trick
"In all the deeds of Melkor the Morgoth upon Arda, in his vast works and in the deceits of his cunning, Sauron had a part, and was only less evil than his master in that for long he served another and not himself. But in after years he rose like a shadow of Morgoth and a ghost of his malice, and walked behind him on the same ruinous path down into the Void."
This guy is one of the better storytellers of Tolkiens work. He delves into things not totally made clear by Tolkien. And I’m sorry, but people with a British accent are usually just better at this. It goes best with narrating Tolkiens work. And I’m an American saying this.
yea when you remove the solid 2 minutes which is 20% of the whole video spent on begging for subscribe, and bell, and patreon, and extended warranty, and the fact that he is like the omlypic champion of slow talking, and you dont count those Tolkien channels that are magnitudes better, then yea he is one the better ones
For now, until, as Namo famously prophesied to the Valar, Mairon's old Master Melkor Morgoth makes his return to destroy the Sun and the Moon, and the One Final Battle (Dagor Dagorath)is fought on the plains of Valinor. (Turin Turambar FTW)
What happened to Sauron? Sauron: Well after the whole, world domination phase I really needed to find myself. Of course I was out of work for a while and bills were piling up, so I found an opportunity to work as an Asset protection agent at Walmart and I've been here ever since. Manager Jeremy: he's just been a huge help to the organization. He's really turned things around for us here. There are virtually no more thefts, which means our customers can shop freely without staff unlocking items and increased prices. I don't know what we'd have done without him. Sauron would later gain a promotion and become head of security operations.
Based on Tolkien's sequel, long after his defeat, he was still present in Middle-Earth, influencing people that slowly started to take a darker turn, while serving him. I think it's safe to say he was not done yet - _which would be fitting to his nature_ , but the sequel was so dark, ominous and violent that Tolkien stopped writing it. It only indicates that there was a rational way of Sauron influencing people to the worst, and work his way up some way or another, it was just too horrendous to write it down. Not long after this, Tolkien passed away.
What happened to him after the movies? Well, his career kinda sank (I mean, he wasn’t really a versatile actor since the only role he knew how to play was a “dark lord” character type).
I heard he had a short romance with Catherine Zeta Jones, kind of got typecast as dark lords in minor films, starred in an off-broadway production of “A Confederacy of Dunces” and now mostly does voice work for videogames and cartoons.
Isildur didn't CHOOSE not to destroy the ring. He was immediately possessed by it and had not a trace of a chance to hold up against the evil the ring contained. The ring contained the majority of Saurons power. Even Gandalf was terrified by just the offer to receive it from Frodo. Frodo resisted the ring for many months, which wasn't considered possible. As far as i know, only 5 individuals ever touched the ring. Sauron, Isildur, Gollum, Bilbo, and Frodo. Gandalf, Boromir and Sam, I believe, didn't directly touch it. And only Frodo managed to resist for a while. If not for Gandalf, Bilbo would have become Gollum 2.0. eventually. Boromir knew in his heart he couldn't resist the ring on the long run. Galadriel also resisted, similarly to Gandalf. But they both just resisted the initial temptation to grasp it. They didn't just happen to have it and keep it for a while. If that would have been the case, I believe, neither Galadriel nor Gandalf would have been able to resist. So I don't agree with the Isildur bashing. He simply didn't stand a chance. No human would.
Tolkien was writing another book that was a sequel to the LOTR. It was called the The New Shadow but he didn’t finish it or chose not for it to be published I believe.
He might be shadow but hes still effectively immortal and has an iron will.he has alot of knowledge much of it known to the world. There are many that know of him and may summon him as a spirit.he could gain followers and regain power and a body tho it may take 100s of years and thousands to regain any measure.
That was what I was going to say as well -- he might not be able to regenerate himself, but he might be able to tempt or trick somebody into doing it for him.
When Sauron lost his body and the ring, the main safeguard for the essence of his power, it takes him hundreds if not thousands of years to regain his power. With the ring destroyed and his power maxed out, it will probably take him millennia upon millennia to just regain the power to be a very bad poltergeist. I'd imagine it would probably take 200 million years for Sauron to gain enough power to be a crappy ghost. He's done.
@@Lucius_Chiaravigliothe vid literally talks about how Sauron no longer has any thoughts besides thinking about what he lost for eternity. Tempting and interacting with those in the physical realms is no longer an option. The ONLY possible way for Sauron to regain power would be thru Eru Iluvatar. And we all know that's not going to happen.
@@SuperCatacata That wouldn't necessarily guarantee his eternal absence. Thinking about what he has lost could turn into thinking about how to get it back, and even if he couldn't make that transition himself, somebody searching high and low for ways to gain power for themselves could trigger it.
Not really, he placed a large amount of his power into the ring but not everything. That said when it was unmade he lost all that power and was reduced to a spirit being, which he was in the first place, but this time with very little power, not enough to do much save maybe whisper evil into the ears of men to a degree but I doubt to little effect.
@@minuette1752 Even a whisper can be enough. Look at religions. It always started by one person. And through religions Sauron will get more and more power and one day he will return.
It was stated noone had what it took to throw the ring in not even frodo, Eru sneezed gollum into the lava as he knew in the end NOONE would be able to do it.
He could come back with help or someone could capture him and use whats left of his soul to craft something magical. That would be a terrible end being somes water heater for as long as your soul could hold out. Also, heard some speculation he had corrupted the blue wizard Brothers which could come together to bring him back.
Another maiar, Melian, I think would have been an equal power match for Sauron. Her protective powers were impenetrable. I always wondered if her defeat (losing her husband and daughter) had diminished her to a level of defeat worse than death, because she never returned afterwards.
Melian was not equal to Sauron in any way. Sauron is the only Maia who capable of defying the Valar's power he broke/cancelled Vala Ulmo's power within Tol-Sirion and later in the second age he defied Manwe's lightning bolt and Manwe couldn't even harm Sauron's physical body in Numenor. Melian's girdle was not even a match to Ulmo's power which shielding and protecting Tol-Sirion from Morgoth's forces but Morgoth sent Sauron and he overwhelm Ulmo's power shield, so he could have easily pierce or destroy Melian's girdle too but Morgoth never commanded Sauron to do. Its also because both Sauron and Morgoth didn't know where Melian's girdle and kingdom was! Melian's kingdom was a *"hidden realm"* as Tolkien described
Sauron was a Maiar. Like Gandalf. So it makes sense to look, what happend to Gandalf when he fought the Balrog and died. He was "send back". So that might have been an option for Sauron too. Seems, Iluvatar had no interest to do this.
He should ask Fox news and Bbc and nbc to do some propaganda for him. Sauron has right to defend him self. Maybe iluvatar consider send him back to defend freedom and democrasi in the middle earth. 😂
After the movies Sauron did a couple of Love Boat episodes and a pilot that wasn’t picked up. He felt like his career suffered due to being typecast. He told EW “I feel just like the Stifler guy.”
Tolkin said We are currently living in the seventh age, It would be cool idea to have it so that he slowly regained power over the millennia And can we take physical form today, que new story
"What happened to Sauron after the Movies?" He retired from being beaten up. He went home, had a wife, 500 children, they all lived much and had long children.
How could Sauron amplify his power by investing part of his power in the One Ring? Sounds like a violation of the conservation of energy. Couldn't he keep creating more rings and amplify his power exponentially?
If I am correct and if I recall it correctly, in Amazon's TV show "Rings of Power," there was a part where it was explained that the metal Sauron used to create the ring was magical. It was literally a part of a magical tree, specifically the root, that was supposed to feed life with magic and contain life itself. The tree had been destroyed by Melkor, though the metal was able to contain light, and Sauron made the ring which allegedly circled the power and amplified it with its own magic. The three rings that were made for elves were supposed to replace that tree and save the Middle Earth lands from decaying. I guess it allowed him to create with his power and save it from depleting too fast. P.S. I am not really aware of LORD OF RINGS lore , it's just what I picked up from tv show.
"If it is destroyed, then he will fall; and his fall will be so low that none can foresee his arising ever again. For he will lose the best part of the strength that was native to him in his beginning, and all that was made or begun with that power will crumble, and he will be maimed forever, becoming a mere spirit of malice that gnaws itself in the shadows, but cannot again grow or take shape. And so a great evil of this world will be removed." Gandalf's quote from Return of the King (the book) Special thanks to a fellow Tolkien fan for this bit of info.
I doubt it, you have to have power to give power and what benefit is there to giving him any at this point? I seriously doubt he could ever be fully restored.
I believe that as immortal being he could eventualy rise again, however for now and future he is kept in check by the influence Valar or Eru himself practically powerless as decribed in the video. That being said except general outline given in the Mandos´s second prophecy there aren´t much details known about Dagor Dagorath we could fairly certain speculate that similary diminished Morgoh will return in full power to challege lords of Aman resulting in breaking of the Arda itself. It is also high probability that Sauron would join his master in the fullness and maybe even more than before because not in the wars of Utomno or Angbad did forces of evil reached such potency of destruction.
It's simple. He poured all his malice into the ring and when the ring was destroyed so was his malice. He became pure and went into the halls of Mandos to live happily ever after
He didn’t really have malice though, he wasn’t evil for the sake of being evil and you could even debate he wasn’t evil at all. He was the manifestation of a part of illuvitar and thus only did that which he was made to do.
Since arda’s taint was really Morgoth’s ring (shows how powerful Morgoth was) My answer to why did the ring need to be forged in mount Doom and destroyed there. My thinking is that Sauron was tapping into a particularly high amount of Morgoth’s residual power with the device that is the one ring. So in fact, he was leaching some of Morgoth’s original spent essence to taint the world giving him power beyond his ability. I also think by creating the ring it was a first step in bringing back Morgoth into Arda by collecting the power he expended into Arda by spreading evil. I think that was the master plan. I think he intended to bring back his master.
Sauron probably took a really nice vacation, you know, somewhere warm and sunny. I’m sure trying to conquer the world took all his focus and he probably needs a break!
no it doesn't appear like worship gave power, e.g. Melkor lost power overtime putting it into the earth, despite all his minions. Even when Sauron told the numenorians to sacrifice people to satisfy Melkor it was just a trick to corrupt them. I think Tolkien Tolkien called "native strength". Obviously a cult of followers helps but wont restore power
I just find it baffling that such an intelligent devious being could be so careless when it came to the security of mount Doom. He really did leave the back door open while reinforcing the front.
At first glance (or second too), that seems indeed like a big oversight. Though, there was a good reason for why Sauron made this great mistake, which we addressed in one of our previous episodes: ruclips.net/video/O7wctocizn4/видео.html
Other than the 10s of thousands or orcs I think he seriously thought no one would be able to willingly let go of the ring(and he was right). At no point did he even think that they would even try amd destroy the ring. I think his mind was in capable of imagining of someone letting go of power.
@@sammycakes8778 I get what you mean and what Tolkien meant that the one ring was too desirable to destroy, but with the thousands of years experience that Sauron had dealing with and defeating greater foes in the past as well as being the architect in the downfall of Numenor in other words he was a being who was very sneaky a chess grandmaster if you will. And then there was the capture of a spy (Frodo) wearing elven attire near Minas Morgul, that there should have sent alarm bells ringing. I just think a being with that vast experience wouldn't make such a huge error and like you stated he wasn't hard pushed to have a wee outpost with several hundred Orcs to guard mount Doom. But hey even the great ones get caught with their trousers down. LOL
What I don't understand is why would Sauron put so much of his power into a ring which has the potential to be misplaced or lost. Is it just for influence and control with the other rings for all the races of middle earth? Am I missing something here?
It wasn't really a mere object to him, it was an extension of himself. Less like a ring in our world, and more like a cellphone that's on full volume. And not only was it used to influence and control other rings of power, it was also a focus for Sauron's own power, which he could use to magnify his power to beyond what he was normally capable of. Yes, there were some risks involved for him, but those were FAR less than the direct benefits he reaped from creating it.
Evil is a necessity. It defines humanity, for without the choice between good and evil, man (species) ceases to be human. So, even with the embodiment of evil defeated, evil is not. And it should not. Just like the abscence of light defines dark, the precense of evil defines good.
You're in a room with a light switch and no windows. When light exists the dark doesn't, when dark exists the light doesn't. They can't exist together. Evil and Good can exist together and Good can exist without Evil. Is love good? Does love need hate to be defined? That's silly.
There is good there is evil, the good does not need the evil. Evil is chosen. Humanity existed perfectly well without evil until they eat from the tree of good and evil. If you want to know how our initial state watch young children. They might be bad from time to time but they are not evil because they are innocent.
i mean if his soul or essence or whatever leaves a body that is destroyed or killed. cant the power of his ring just return to his body or soul. making him complete again as he was before he took form and used his essence?
He is but a spirit which can regain his form only if a greater power was to give him back some energy. That greater power could be Morgoth himself, who, upon the time of the Dagor Daggorath( the Final Battle) will return to Middle Earth.
He's been looking for a new job, staying with friends until he's back on his feet. Things are starting to get better for him now, he started playing the bass in a doom metal band.
You'd think after a while Sauron would learn that he just might not have what it takes to win. As a wise man once said: "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man!?"
Why would he ever think that? He engaged his enemies in a war of attrition, and such a conflict could only ever end with him winning. Given that Tolkien confirmed that the Ring can't be willingly destroyed, Sauron had the upper hand throughout the entire conflict, even though he suffered some losses.
Tolkien mentioned a story about the apocalypse of Middle earth where the heroes of the past will face off against melkors return. I wonder if Sauron will be there
I heard that after the movie Sauron read a few more scripts, but he couldn’t seem to get hired for anything. The last I heard he was doing Home Shopping Network, the late night shift.
So, what became of those spheres like the one that hobbit grabbed and sauron saw him with it and gandolph sent him away? Did those things do anything anymore?
Those were the Palantíri. And the answer is "technically yes, but practically no": There were 7 (technically 8) Palantíri, 7 of which once were in Middle-earth. By the time of the War of the Ring, the Osgiliath-stone was lost in the Anduin, the Annúminas-stone was lost with the death of King Arvedui of Arthedain, when his ship sank into the Icebay of Forochel, the Amon Sûl-stone suffered that exact same fate, the Ithil-stone was the one that Sauron had captured, which was most likely destroyed when Barad-dûr was destroyed, the Anor-stone was the one Denethor used and held when he burned himself, and afterwards it was only the most strong-willed ones that could see anything other than two burning hands, the Orthanc-stone is the one you mentioned and, quite frankly, we have no clue where it went, the Elendil-stone was in one of the three White Towers west of the Shire, and was taken by Círdan on the White Ship when he sailed west at the end of the Third Age. So all in all, we have, at the end of the Third Age and the beginning of the Fourth, only 2 Palantíri left in Middle-earth, one of them being nigh unusable, and the other being lost to history. So as to your question if they could do anything: "technically yes, but practically no"
Sauron had fallen away into just a shadow with the destruction of the ring that he made to make himself the Master of Middle earth. He could never return to his original form after this ignominy.
Remember Frodo couldn’t do it either he was carried there by Sam and gollum bit his finger off to regain it gloating as he fell into the fires of mt doom ( as the ring itself told him )
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Never say never when it comes to Sauron. His power at that point maybe at that minimum threshold, but he could siphon power from things here and there, or could recover with help from Sauron Loyalists.
I love it the way you analyse Tolkien works. If only, you analyse the Bible the same way. By now, you would be asking if the Bible is really the work of GOD or someone else intention to corrupt the word of GOD and Jesus was never a GOD.
es he can come back
yes he could rule the world
but it is completely dependant on others.
Either he leads, or someone binds him, owever, he would not have any more power than his own spirit
@@playfuluniquebubblyguy7826Newsflash: The "Holy" Bible is SOLELY the work of MAN. Get used to that fact, and you'll have a happier life. Or not. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. But what you said, does.
Push him in, Elrond! No one will know!
Sauron still has the power to remove a single sock per day from a random Middle Earth dryer.
Couldn't even unplug a toilet after he plugs it pinching one off.
So it’s him?! Lol
Omg then he is has still managed to cause an unimaginable ammount of suffering to countless lives.
The washers take the socks my guy
Someone said on another video.
'He has become the lord of the onion rings' 😂🤣
Tolkien was on record as saying NO ONE could have willingly destroyed the Ring. So Isildur cannot be blamed.
The elves seemed to blame him
Nahhhh screw Isildur.
@@chrisgriffith9252 because for them it was easier than to accept the fact that not even them had the willpower and courage to destroy the one ring
@@syler100so if i eat bred with butter, does that mean im wrong?
@@diollinebranderson6553 for those who are eating bread without butter or with other dairy products and hate butter YES! This is also how religions work.
You can’t blame Isildur. Even Frodo was corrupted in the end. The only reason why it got destroyed was because Gollum and Frodo were fighting right over the lava.
Almost correct, that was the movies but in real lore It was stated noone had what it took to throw the ring in not even frodo, Eru basically “pushed or guided”gollum into the lava as he knew in the end NOONE would be able to do it.
@@timar6868 Except...the subject is "the movies".
@@timar6868 The subject of this video is the movies. The books still apply but that is not the form of the story that is at hand.
except thats not what happened, you see this is fantasy so gollum just lost his balance and thats why the ring was destroyed, its just an accident, no eru
@@Azuria969Your logic is fantasy
Gondorians: Where's Isildur?
Elrond: Oh, he slipped. Tragic, really.
Lol. I'm saving this!
"... he will be maimed forever, becoming a mere spirit of malice that gnaws itself in the shadows, but cannot again grow or take shape." A true hell for one so high, proud and mighty. Retaining just enough knowledge of his former state to be aware of how much he had lost. Ouch.
true hell. and a hell much deserved.
He will one day reunite with his master Melkor whom escapes the timeless void to wreak hell upon middle earth again for the final battle
@@AnnatarCarvourc'mon man it's already a gentleman sweep you don't need to go out 4-0
@@Balboainc my very young friend I assure you we shall return for the Dagor Dagorath our work is not yet finished ... as our evil is sewn into the very fabric of time we are forever
@@AnnatarCarvourMelkor might come back for the end but not Sauron, mainly because Melkor was never vanquished but merely banished to the void beyond whereas Sauron is a barely sustained shade crawling in the dark.
I always wondered if Saurons' diminishment wasn't because of Celebrimbor. As I understand it, Sauron had no idea the elven rings had been created; he crafted his spells specifically for the seven and the nine. When in the final process of forging the One, he became aware of the Three and suceeded in encompassing them also, but at a much greater cost to himself than he originally anticipated. Therefore, his fate was tied to the One Ring more than was ever wanted or forseen.
I always thought that Sauron subtly guided Celebrimbor to create the Three so as to make their bearers open to the control of the One, just as he did with the Nine and the Seven. But you're right in that he underestimated Celebrimbor's skill and the Elves' strength of will, as he did the Dwarves (who could be tempted and corrupted by wealth but not have their wills dominated). So the bearers of the Three were immediately aware of Sauron's intent (which he almost certainly didn't intend to happen) as soon as he finished the One, took their rings off and didn't wear them as long as he wore his.
Then Sauron fell thanks to his unwise, unsecure huge investments into this little ring ? Too bad for the evil one... He should have gone for gold or platinium bullions instead... ❤💰
In other words, he was arrogant and it cost him everything in the end-which is quite often the predicament of the evil ones.
@@chriscooper654No, originally the 9 and 7 were ment for the elves essentially he was going to find elves that fell to temptation of power make them rulers of full regions of Middle earth but all the while rule over and manipulate them to fall under his control.
However when the 3 were made he had to change plans, he learned of their existence during the forging process of the one ring, and so encompassed them as well... but also alerted the owners of the 3 who heard the one ring being forged through their link. Essentially ruining his "surprise" and making it so no elf would willingly fall under his will.
This ruined Sauron's original plan to catch the elves by surprise so instead he gave the 7 to the dwarves but found them far to stubborn to be easily manipulated (which is why this part of his plan ALSO failed, it was already a rushed plan B)
But he found humans much more pliable and gave the remaining 9 to them. Though he never had much faith in their strength, or spirit. This is why they were essentially the third choice, which finally succeeded unhindered.
Errado . Estavam ligados ao Um Anel por causa do conhecimento em sua criação, que era do sauron
As I understand it, when Sauron forged the One Ring, he bound his life essence to it, and when it was un-made, his life essence was effectively removed from this plane of existence. Unlike him however, Melkor (Morgoth) was not un-made, he was bound in darkness after his defeat at Utumno, and Tolkien prophesied in the appendices of LOTR that Melkor would return for Dagor Dagorath, the final battle.
Melkor after his defeat at the end of the first age was cast through the Doors of night into the void
Morgoth literally couldn't be destroyed. He'd poured his power into the entire world, so the whole of Middle Earth functioned as his "ring." And even Sauron wasn't destroyed so much as crippled, rendered unable to ever again take a physical form.
Sauron's spirit would likely try to return to Morgoth to perhaps get some of his power back. I have to believe Sauron would play some role in Dagor Dagorath.
They should make a new trilogy where Morgoth returns and initiates Dagor Dagorath
@joshfox4479 you really trust this to be made today?
Sauron is still alive, he is just a very weakened spirit and the vast amount of power he lost cannot be reclaimed. It would take Ilúvatar to restore his power. He is still around though, just a minor influence at most.
@@maxdadbod5058well, THAT explains the previous US president.
@@sherrieludwig508because the current is even worse a puppet much like Grima and Theoden
If you can't see that you've been blinded by the rings power already
@@AnnatarCarvour Awww, how cute. Aren't you just the silliest little trumpling. Going to visit your god in jail? How much of your meager money have you sent to this fake rich man? LOL.
@@sherrieludwig508 that explains biden
@@calibaniteswordswinger9687 Awww, poor widdle twumpie. Talk about overcompensation with that handle, LOL.
I have never seen it as openly on other channels, but I love how you cite every source of image for these videos. It isn;t too big, but it pays homage to the people and companies that made these images. You are doing great work, with that and the channel at large ❤
You missed it when Sauron was defeated by Huan in the First Age and had to give up his werewolf form.
We indeed didn't mention that one, as that's a bit far back into the timeline, and even including that, there's been more examples of Sauron losing forms. So we decided to keep the list a bit shorter, and limit it to more well-known examples that paint the proper picture sufficiently well.
But thank you for mentioning it! It's a nice reminder for people that there's more lore than merely what we have time for in a video 😉
Yea that was not a fair fight. Huan was a wimp.
Sauron didn't give up his werewolf form. He turns into a serpent and a "monster" and then into his humanoid form, surrenders dominion of his tower to Luthien, and flees as a vampire with his throat still bleeding.
"...What happened to Sauron..."
After the destruction of the ring, he diminished... and became Sheldon J. Plankton.
Who is that?
@@exterminans From the series SpongeBob. A character that, among other things, is evil and wants to rule the world.
Morgoth: “don’t worry buddy, I got us a perfect way to get out of here. But it will take me a pretty good while.”
Sauron: “craaaaaaap.”
Morgoth and Sauron are going to be *SO* disappointed when they see how that "perfect way" actually works out for them.
@@richardkenan2891 I would serve either of them without question. They were the kindest and most just rulers Middle Earth ever had. Damn elves and their arrogance plus the humans who believed the elven lies....such foolishness.
@@minuette1752Ahhh, to be sixteen again. What a time.
Sam: I can't cast it into the fire for you Mr Frodo....
But I can cast you in
Tolkien started writing about the happenings after Sauron's fall and had some ideas. Shame he didn't get to continue it. However one of the last things he wrote was about looming darkness, so my guess is that he survived and Melkor would probably return
Actually it happened blown away by the winds away from the eternal lands so he could never return and get form again also did not have any more spirit energy to do so he put it onto the ring he can never again take form as he used it all up
Good thing for Gandalf and co. that destroying the Ring actually also destroyed Sauron's power and not, say, simply released it back to him. As far as I know there has never been a precedent for this sort of thing so the Free Peoples shouldn't have been that cock-sure that melting the One Ring would have this specific effect. Would have for sure sucked if after Frodo's adventures, Sauron simply walked out of Barad'Dur and started smashing everyone's face in.
They acted on faith and trust that the Valar would have sent something more than wise advisors to Middle Earth had there truly been no way for men and elves to defeat Sauron - and if destruction of the One Ring wouldn't do it, there was no other way they could manage it. Faith, trust, good will, and love are the path to success on Arda.
And if that faith and trust hadn't paid out, the Valar would have probably had to wreck Middle Earth to dispose of Sauron. I'm sure they didn't want to do that, but ultimately, as the supreme authority over all the Ainur on Arda, Sauron *WAS* their problem to solve.
Other rings, lesser rings and even greater rings of the dwarves were destroyed before by Dragon's fire, so they knew that destroying a ring of power with fire destroy the power used in making it too.
@@marcocoelhohome Except none of the other rings had any strong being embed its own essence in them.
@@richardkenan2891The Valar have so far proved to be unbelievably incompetent and stupid.
@richardkenan2891 a good chunk of middle earth got drowned in the first age because they were fighting the strongest Valar and Balrogs and Maiar and Kaiju dragons. This is one guy who was an assistant to the big bad with some improved orcs. Send a dozen or so full powered Maiar or just any non pussy Valar ( I concede there aren't many) to basically bonk him on the head and drag him back to Valinor. Heck I'm pretty sure Aule could figure out how to unmake the ring
The mouth of Sauron is even more terrifying and frightening than any form of Sauron himself. Does anyone else feel like the mouth of Sauron whom is depicted as a human man of nurmanor (misspelled I know) whom betrayed to be a servant of Sauron is more terrifying than Sauron himself? I feel like Sauron’s humanoid form should have looked like the character mouth of Sauron.
Hahaha With His Big Teeth
That's the movie version of Sauron's spokesman. In the real story i.e. the books, he is not deformed, just a tall mortal man, somewhat evil-looking. P. Jackson was unconcerned with altering the source material and, at times, inserting ludicrous parodies of characters.
I love how Tolkien picked 25th March, which became the Gondorian new year - historically it was the new year date in England, and still is in Iran (Nowruz), its the reason the UK tax year begins in April
Tolkien was Catholic
25th March is the day of the Annunciation, the day that Gabriël visitid the Blessed Virgin
25th March is also the day Jesus died on the Cross
I think it would have been nice if you had brought in more quotes from the books. I think it was Gandalf who said that Sauron was like a spirit that would consume itself for eternity after the Ring was destroyed. Tolkien also started to write a sequel with Sauron as the villain but decided that he didn't want the books to be neverending like that.
Como sauron voltaria ?
After the movies he fell on hard times, after losing a lengthy court battle over royalty payments, he fell into drug use and prefers to keep to himself within his west Hollywood apartment
He opened a bakery up the street from here. Changed his name slightly to Sauers but we all know it's him. It's a very good bakery and quite successful. Honestly, if he had done this all those years ago so much stress could have been avoided.
Prof Tolkien wrote a large number of personal letters to his fans answering questions. Following is his letter 131 where he answers Sauron's fate -
Sauron rules a growing empire from the great dark tower of Barad-dûr in Mordor, near to the Mountain of Fire, wielding the One Ring.
But to achieve this he had been obliged to let a great part of his own inherent power (a frequent and very significant motive in myth and fairy-story) pass into the One Ring. While he wore it, his power on earth was actually enhanced. But even if he did not wear it, that power existed and was in ‘rapport’ with himself: he was not 'diminished’. Unless some other seized it and became possessed of it. If that happened, the new possessor could (if sufficiently strong and heroic by nature) challenge Sauron, become master of all that he had learned or done since the making of the One Ring, and so overthrow him and usurp his place. This was the essential weakness he had introduced into his situation in his effort (largely unsuccessful) to enslave the Elves, and in his desire to establish a control over the minds and wills of his servants.
There was another weakness: if the One Ring was actually unmade, annihilated, then its power would be dissolved, Sauron’s own being would be diminished to vanishing point, and he would be reduced to a shadow, a mere memory of malicious will. But that he never contemplated nor feared. The Ring was unbreakable by any smithcraft less than his own. It was indissoluble in any fire, save the undying subterranean fire where it was made-and that was unapproachable, in Mordor.
Also so great was the Ring’s power of lust, that anyone who used it became mastered by it; it was beyond the strength of any will (even his own) to injure it, cast it away, or neglect it. So he thought. It was in any case on his finger.
-J.R.R. Tolkien, The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, #131
You would think somone as smart as Sauron would have taken more precausions to prevent anyone from even being able to throw the ring into the fire. Like bloking all entrences and protecting the top with a magical barrier that makes it so things can go out but not in....ore heck just a big dome over the Lava would have already done the trick
"In all the
deeds of Melkor the Morgoth upon Arda, in his vast works and in the deceits of
his cunning, Sauron had a part, and was only less evil than his master in that for
long he served another and not himself. But in after years he rose like a shadow
of Morgoth and a ghost of his malice, and walked behind him on the same
ruinous path down into the Void."
Sure Sauron was on the ropes for a bit but later he harnessed his hate and made Angry Birds.
This guy is one of the better storytellers of Tolkiens work. He delves into things not totally made clear by Tolkien. And I’m sorry, but people with a British accent are usually just better at this. It goes best with narrating Tolkiens work. And I’m an American saying this.
Thank you! ❤
I can't tell if this is a hot-take or not. So, only people with British accents should make videos like this?
yea when you remove the solid 2 minutes which is 20% of the whole video spent on begging for subscribe, and bell, and patreon, and extended warranty, and the fact that he is like the omlypic champion of slow talking, and you dont count those Tolkien channels that are magnitudes better, then yea he is one the better ones
I’m a Brit. This is not a British accent, more Dutch or German 😁
@@VoidMoth They all do that.
For now, until, as Namo famously prophesied to the Valar, Mairon's old Master Melkor Morgoth makes his return to destroy the Sun and the Moon, and the One Final Battle (Dagor Dagorath)is fought on the plains of Valinor. (Turin Turambar FTW)
What happened to Sauron?
Sauron: Well after the whole, world domination phase I really needed to find myself. Of course I was out of work for a while and bills were piling up, so I found an opportunity to work as an Asset protection agent at Walmart and I've been here ever since.
Manager Jeremy: he's just been a huge help to the organization. He's really turned things around for us here. There are virtually no more thefts, which means our customers can shop freely without staff unlocking items and increased prices. I don't know what we'd have done without him.
Sauron would later gain a promotion and become head of security operations.
Based on Tolkien's sequel, long after his defeat, he was still present in Middle-Earth, influencing people that slowly started to take a darker turn, while serving him. I think it's safe to say he was not done yet - _which would be fitting to his nature_ , but the sequel was so dark, ominous and violent that Tolkien stopped writing it. It only indicates that there was a rational way of Sauron influencing people to the worst, and work his way up some way or another, it was just too horrendous to write it down. Not long after this, Tolkien passed away.
So he got relegated to spectator mode
What happened to him after the movies? Well, his career kinda sank (I mean, he wasn’t really a versatile actor since the only role he knew how to play was a “dark lord” character type).
I heard he had a short romance with Catherine Zeta Jones, kind of got typecast as dark lords in minor films, starred in an off-broadway production of “A Confederacy of Dunces” and now mostly does voice work for videogames and cartoons.
Lucky fella!!!!
Isildur didn't CHOOSE not to destroy the ring.
He was immediately possessed by it and had not a trace of a chance to hold up against the evil the ring contained.
The ring contained the majority of Saurons power. Even Gandalf was terrified by just the offer to receive it from Frodo.
Frodo resisted the ring for many months, which wasn't considered possible.
As far as i know, only 5 individuals ever touched the ring. Sauron, Isildur, Gollum, Bilbo, and Frodo. Gandalf, Boromir and Sam, I believe, didn't directly touch it.
And only Frodo managed to resist for a while. If not for Gandalf, Bilbo would have become Gollum 2.0. eventually.
Boromir knew in his heart he couldn't resist the ring on the long run.
Galadriel also resisted, similarly to Gandalf. But they both just resisted the initial temptation to grasp it. They didn't just happen to have it and keep it for a while.
If that would have been the case, I believe, neither Galadriel nor Gandalf would have been able to resist.
So I don't agree with the Isildur bashing. He simply didn't stand a chance. No human would.
Coud you make an video about the druedain
We will put it on the list and let the Patrons decide 😉
Would that include the Pukel Men and the Woses?
Tolkien was writing another book that was a sequel to the LOTR.
It was called the The New Shadow but he didn’t finish it or chose not for it to be published I believe.
He might be shadow but hes still effectively immortal and has an iron will.he has alot of knowledge much of it known to the world. There are many that know of him and may summon him as a spirit.he could gain followers and regain power and a body tho it may take 100s of years and thousands to regain any measure.
That was what I was going to say as well -- he might not be able to regenerate himself, but he might be able to tempt or trick somebody into doing it for him.
When Sauron lost his body and the ring, the main safeguard for the essence of his power, it takes him hundreds if not thousands of years to regain his power. With the ring destroyed and his power maxed out, it will probably take him millennia upon millennia to just regain the power to be a very bad poltergeist. I'd imagine it would probably take 200 million years for Sauron to gain enough power to be a crappy ghost. He's done.
@@carlosalegria4776 . . . Unless he tempts or tricks someone into giving him the power to bypass much of that.
@@Lucius_Chiaravigliothe vid literally talks about how Sauron no longer has any thoughts besides thinking about what he lost for eternity.
Tempting and interacting with those in the physical realms is no longer an option.
The ONLY possible way for Sauron to regain power would be thru Eru Iluvatar. And we all know that's not going to happen.
@@SuperCatacata That wouldn't necessarily guarantee his eternal absence. Thinking about what he has lost could turn into thinking about how to get it back, and even if he couldn't make that transition himself, somebody searching high and low for ways to gain power for themselves could trigger it.
The Ring of Power was his Horcrux essentially, a place for his soul and with that gone, he's gone.
Not really, he placed a large amount of his power into the ring but not everything. That said when it was unmade he lost all that power and was reduced to a spirit being, which he was in the first place, but this time with very little power, not enough to do much save maybe whisper evil into the ears of men to a degree but I doubt to little effect.
@@minuette1752 Even a whisper can be enough. Look at religions. It always started by one person. And through religions Sauron will get more and more power and one day he will return.
Superb story telling.
It was stated noone had what it took to throw the ring in not even frodo, Eru sneezed gollum into the lava as he knew in the end NOONE would be able to do it.
He could come back with help or someone could capture him and use whats left of his soul to craft something magical. That would be a terrible end being somes water heater for as long as your soul could hold out. Also, heard some speculation he had corrupted the blue wizard Brothers which could come together to bring him back.
I like the idea of Sauron being stuck as a disembodied consciousness for all eternity with no hope of ever returning. Truly a hell.
Sauron only had 1 horcrux to keep a solid form in Middle-Earth.
Another maiar, Melian, I think would have been an equal power match for Sauron. Her protective powers were impenetrable. I always wondered if her defeat (losing her husband and daughter) had diminished her to a level of defeat worse than death, because she never returned afterwards.
No need to wonder, the answer is no.
Melian was not equal to Sauron in any way. Sauron is the only Maia who capable of defying the Valar's power he broke/cancelled Vala Ulmo's power within Tol-Sirion and later in the second age he defied Manwe's lightning bolt and Manwe couldn't even harm Sauron's physical body in Numenor. Melian's girdle was not even a match to Ulmo's power which shielding and protecting Tol-Sirion from Morgoth's forces but Morgoth sent Sauron and he overwhelm Ulmo's power shield, so he could have easily pierce or destroy Melian's girdle too but Morgoth never commanded Sauron to do. Its also because both Sauron and Morgoth didn't know where Melian's girdle and kingdom was! Melian's kingdom was a *"hidden realm"* as Tolkien described
But are poltergeists truly “harmless”?
It depends on the movie you watch.
Well done, I loved the video. Keep going with your's stories about the Middle-earth.
Sauron was a Maiar. Like Gandalf. So it makes sense to look, what happend to Gandalf when he fought the Balrog and died. He was "send back". So that might have been an option for Sauron too. Seems, Iluvatar had no interest to do this.
He should ask Fox news and Bbc and nbc to do some propaganda for him. Sauron has right to defend him self. Maybe iluvatar consider send him back to defend freedom and democrasi in the middle earth. 😂
Solid asf my bro!
After the movies Sauron did a couple of Love Boat episodes and a pilot that wasn’t picked up. He felt like his career suffered due to being typecast. He told EW “I feel just like the Stifler guy.”
Tolkin said We are currently living in the seventh age, It would be cool idea to have it so that he slowly regained power over the millennia And can we take physical form today, que new story
A wind coming from the west and blowing towards the east would be a westerly wind, not a western wind.
we can still hear, till this day, sauron's wisper's vaguing in the shadows...nothing but a mere memory of what he was one day.
"What happened to Sauron after the Movies?"
He retired from being beaten up.
He went home, had a wife, 500 children, they all lived much and had long children.
But Tolkien started to write a sequel, however abandoned it.. But still it means that Sauron was still alive..
How could Sauron amplify his power by investing part of his power in the One Ring?
Sounds like a violation of the conservation of energy. Couldn't he keep creating more rings and amplify his power exponentially?
think MLM with all the rings, he controlled/enslaved alot of powerful ppl, so he was a power scammer
I think it more like he parted with that energy and get its back when he gets the ring back
If I am correct and if I recall it correctly, in Amazon's TV show "Rings of Power," there was a part where it was explained that the metal Sauron used to create the ring was magical. It was literally a part of a magical tree, specifically the root, that was supposed to feed life with magic and contain life itself. The tree had been destroyed by Melkor, though the metal was able to contain light, and Sauron made the ring which allegedly circled the power and amplified it with its own magic. The three rings that were made for elves were supposed to replace that tree and save the Middle Earth lands from decaying. I guess it allowed him to create with his power and save it from depleting too fast.
P.S. I am not really aware of LORD OF RINGS lore , it's just what I picked up from tv show.
@@Liberty_primeyeah but that’s just fan fiction lmao.
He was able to drain the other ring bearers of their power. Which is why they faded.
"If it is destroyed, then he will fall; and his fall will be so low that none can foresee his arising ever again. For he will lose the best part of the strength that was native to him in his beginning, and all that was made or begun with that power will crumble, and he will be maimed forever, becoming a mere spirit of malice that gnaws itself in the shadows, but cannot again grow or take shape. And so a great evil of this world will be removed." Gandalf's quote from Return of the King (the book) Special thanks to a fellow Tolkien fan for this bit of info.
So is it possible that with some "unexpected help from the outside", Sauron can slowly gain enough power to reform?
Somehow Sauron will return.
I doubt it, you have to have power to give power and what benefit is there to giving him any at this point? I seriously doubt he could ever be fully restored.
@@sammycakes8778 Look at religion. It started with one human. Probably humans influenced by Sauron.
I believe that as immortal being he could eventualy rise again, however for now and future he is kept in check by the influence Valar or Eru himself practically powerless as decribed in the video. That being said except general outline given in the Mandos´s second prophecy there aren´t much details known about Dagor Dagorath we could fairly certain speculate that similary diminished Morgoh will return in full power to challege lords of Aman resulting in breaking of the Arda itself. It is also high probability that Sauron would join his master in the fullness and maybe even more than before because not in the wars of Utomno or Angbad did forces of evil reached such potency of destruction.
Your voice is so soothing.
The ring was the worst idea ever. He failed to control Elves, Dwarves or even Men (apart from 9). It only made him more vulnerable.
It's simple.
He poured all his malice into the ring and when the ring was destroyed so was his malice. He became pure and went into the halls of Mandos to live happily ever after
He didn’t really have malice though, he wasn’t evil for the sake of being evil and you could even debate he wasn’t evil at all. He was the manifestation of a part of illuvitar and thus only did that which he was made to do.
Sauron is now working for the Department of Work and Pensions, deciding Universal Benefit claims
The impression I got, was that he still existed (you cannot kill a Maiar or a Valar), but he was the equivalent of a quadriplegic.
Nice Vid!
he went back to aman to face Emu Elévatór
Reminds of Unicorn's head floating around Cybertron. Sauron can't do anything himself now but he can probably still influence other evildoers.
Since arda’s taint was really Morgoth’s ring (shows how powerful Morgoth was)
My answer to why did the ring need to be forged in mount Doom and destroyed there.
My thinking is that Sauron was tapping into a particularly high amount of Morgoth’s residual power with the device that is the one ring.
So in fact, he was leaching some of Morgoth’s original spent essence to taint the world giving him power beyond his ability.
I also think by creating the ring it was a first step in bringing back Morgoth into Arda by collecting the power he expended into Arda by spreading evil.
I think that was the master plan. I think he intended to bring back his master.
Sauron probably took a really nice vacation, you know, somewhere warm and sunny. I’m sure trying to conquer the world took all his focus and he probably needs a break!
The way you describe the power usage and regeneration sounds like a D&D game.
Where fo you think DnD got it from?
@@mecurian485 I doubt that this concept came from Tolkien. Itʻs a practical necessity in the game to keep characters in play.
DnD was hugely inspired by Tolkien, so it is feasible.
@@margaretalbrecht4650 dnd heavily inspired by lotr books.
Could the wicked Men of subsequent ages do anything to restore Sauron’s power? Asking for a friend.
no it doesn't appear like worship gave power, e.g. Melkor lost power overtime putting it into the earth, despite all his minions. Even when Sauron told the numenorians to sacrifice people to satisfy Melkor it was just a trick to corrupt them. I think Tolkien Tolkien called "native strength". Obviously a cult of followers helps but wont restore power
I just find it baffling that such an intelligent devious being could be so careless when it came to the security of mount Doom.
He really did leave the back door open while reinforcing the front.
At first glance (or second too), that seems indeed like a big oversight. Though, there was a good reason for why Sauron made this great mistake, which we addressed in one of our previous episodes: ruclips.net/video/O7wctocizn4/видео.html
Other than the 10s of thousands or orcs I think he seriously thought no one would be able to willingly let go of the ring(and he was right).
At no point did he even think that they would even try amd destroy the ring. I think his mind was in capable of imagining of someone letting go of power.
@@sammycakes8778 I get what you mean and what Tolkien meant that the one ring was too desirable to destroy, but with the thousands of years experience that Sauron had dealing with and defeating greater foes in the past as well as being the architect in the downfall of Numenor in other words he was a being who was very sneaky a chess grandmaster if you will.
And then there was the capture of a spy (Frodo) wearing elven attire near Minas Morgul, that there should have sent alarm bells ringing.
I just think a being with that vast experience wouldn't make such a huge error and like you stated he wasn't hard pushed to have a wee outpost with several hundred Orcs to guard mount Doom.
But hey even the great ones get caught with their trousers down. LOL
Sauron wrote a book and went on Oprah then a book tour. Currently retired at Mar-a-lago Florida.
What I don't understand is why would Sauron put so much of his power into a ring which has the potential to be misplaced or lost. Is it just for influence and control with the other rings for all the races of middle earth? Am I missing something here?
It wasn't really a mere object to him, it was an extension of himself. Less like a ring in our world, and more like a cellphone that's on full volume. And not only was it used to influence and control other rings of power, it was also a focus for Sauron's own power, which he could use to magnify his power to beyond what he was normally capable of.
Yes, there were some risks involved for him, but those were FAR less than the direct benefits he reaped from creating it.
Evil is a necessity. It defines humanity, for without the choice between good and evil, man (species) ceases to be human. So, even with the embodiment of evil defeated, evil is not. And it should not. Just like the abscence of light defines dark, the precense of evil defines good.
You're in a room with a light switch and no windows. When light exists the dark doesn't, when dark exists the light doesn't. They can't exist together. Evil and Good can exist together and Good can exist without Evil. Is love good? Does love need hate to be defined? That's silly.
There is good there is evil, the good does not need the evil. Evil is chosen.
Humanity existed perfectly well without evil until they eat from the tree of good and evil.
If you want to know how our initial state watch young children. They might be bad from time to time but they are not evil because they are innocent.
i mean if his soul or essence or whatever leaves a body that is destroyed or killed. cant the power of his ring just return to his body or soul. making him complete again as he was before he took form and used his essence?
I want more movies on this, many secrets hasn't been showed yet
He is but a spirit which can regain his form only if a greater power was to give him back some energy. That greater power could be Morgoth himself, who, upon the time of the Dagor Daggorath( the Final Battle) will return to Middle Earth.
i had the impression that he would join his former master in the void, passing the rest of eternity alongside Melkor
He's been looking for a new job, staying with friends until he's back on his feet. Things are starting to get better for him now, he started playing the bass in a doom metal band.
He's chillin on a beach somewhere in middle earth with a VERY bloody home brew.
Great artwork
You'd think after a while Sauron would learn that he just might not have what it takes to win. As a wise man once said: "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man!?"
Why would he ever think that? He engaged his enemies in a war of attrition, and such a conflict could only ever end with him winning. Given that Tolkien confirmed that the Ring can't be willingly destroyed, Sauron had the upper hand throughout the entire conflict, even though he suffered some losses.
He would have decidedly won without literal acts of divine intervention.
He got typecast and couldn’t find work. He’s now a real estate agent in a hamlet just outside of Nantucket.
Tolkien mentioned a story about the apocalypse of Middle earth where the heroes of the past will face off against melkors return. I wonder if Sauron will be there
I heard that after the movie Sauron read a few more scripts, but he couldn’t seem to get hired for anything. The last I heard he was doing Home Shopping Network, the late night shift.
He probably had to clear his desk and was then escorted off site by security.
Fascinating!!
I suppose a sufficiently powerful sorcerer could have bound Sauron's spirit to a corspe like the barrow wights and given him a body to use at least.
Somehow, Sauron returned....
Everytime I’m scrolling I see your video titles and just think, “you know what, what DID happen to Sauron?”
So, what became of those spheres like the one that hobbit grabbed and sauron saw him with it and gandolph sent him away? Did those things do anything anymore?
Those were the Palantíri. And the answer is "technically yes, but practically no":
There were 7 (technically 8) Palantíri, 7 of which once were in Middle-earth. By the time of the War of the Ring,
the Osgiliath-stone was lost in the Anduin,
the Annúminas-stone was lost with the death of King Arvedui of Arthedain, when his ship sank into the Icebay of Forochel,
the Amon Sûl-stone suffered that exact same fate,
the Ithil-stone was the one that Sauron had captured, which was most likely destroyed when Barad-dûr was destroyed,
the Anor-stone was the one Denethor used and held when he burned himself, and afterwards it was only the most strong-willed ones that could see anything other than two burning hands,
the Orthanc-stone is the one you mentioned and, quite frankly, we have no clue where it went,
the Elendil-stone was in one of the three White Towers west of the Shire, and was taken by Círdan on the White Ship when he sailed west at the end of the Third Age.
So all in all, we have, at the end of the Third Age and the beginning of the Fourth, only 2 Palantíri left in Middle-earth, one of them being nigh unusable, and the other being lost to history. So as to your question if they could do anything: "technically yes, but practically no"
Could sauron return by possession? Or as a dark influence to corrupt others?
I wonder where this information about "limited power" comes from. Any sources? Or is it more a theory?
Sauron had fallen away into just a shadow with the destruction of the ring that he made to make himself the Master of Middle earth. He could never return to his original form after this ignominy.
Remember Frodo couldn’t do it either he was carried there by Sam and gollum bit his finger off to regain it gloating as he fell into the fires of mt doom ( as the ring itself told him )
Cut to a scene of the Great Eye living out of a box in some nameless alleyway on the streets of Gondor.
You mean what happened to Sauron after the books?
Most people are too lazy to read the books. Even though they're so much better than the movies.
He’s the shadow that everyone sees in the corner of their eye
2:26 so if i see a walking plant, its a maiar.
Triffid
Or the mushrooms
But where does it say that he used above his regenerating energy he needs to recover his special valar move thing
What happened to the other rings of Power that were still around Middle-Earth?
They basically lost (most of) their power.