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Not completely. People forget about Thor's warrior madness, which he keeps in check. When this in unleashed he is far more powerful!!! Being a Hulk is not why he wins. BRB tells the story cpearly his anger is now unbridled. The Gamma takes all the inhibitions off. People forget about Thor's powers. He has a smidge of the Superman thing where he often hilds back. Sorry Hulk fans.
@@mitchcowan1446 except Hulk was said to hold back too in old comics and hulk did fight warrior madness Thor and they were evenly matched. These writers don't care about consistency
It was Banner fighting Thor not Hulk. Not to mention Banner and Odin were trying not to let Titan out. That was the goal all along. So this doesn't prove anything. Just another story that has an ending that settles nothing.
Completely agree on the mcu bit, but Thor was specifically made to be stronger than the hulk. I think Stan Lee himself said something like “when asking what could be more powerful than the strongest man the only thing we could think of is a god”
Not sure how this fight can realistically be used to evaluate either of these two. Thor got juiced up on Gamma and became a Hulk, and Hulk got juiced up on Mjolnir and became a pseudo Thor….their respective combat power is all out of whack. Even with the comments about Thor holding back, the same argument could be made regarding Hulk.
It's also Thor without his hammer which is at least a minor depower. It's fine to say Hulk Thor = Rage Thor without his Hammer. It doesn't really make sense to say Hammerless Rage Thor > Hammer Hulk > Hammer Thor
@bush Probably because these aren't real people and whoever the writer says is stronger is stronger. The writers hand behind Jane makes her stronger than base Thor for no reason other than being "super worthy".
I find it interesting that they give the "win" to Thor, when there truly wasn't any winner here. Banner/Odin Hulk were in control, not the real Hulk. This wasn't even a battle between Thor and the Hulk, but rather worthy banner and Hulked-out Thor. Hell, Banner was tossing "Thulk" around with mjolnir at the end there. But even so, the fight didn't have a winner at all, but a classic "everybody calm down" moment. And where did Titan come into this? Hulk was being held back by BOTH Odin and Banner to prevent Titan from coming out, so it seems like Hulk going all-out wasn't happening. This wasn't a fight between the strongest of 2 characters at all. If we look back at the fight, however, we can see Hulk when he was truly out giving hands to Thulk, and more than just holding his own. If they continued THAT fight and not let Banner and Odin take control, THAT would have been a more definitive result than what we got. Did the Hammer even power up Banner Hulk, or was it just there to use as a club? Did the gamma radiation, being imbued with the power of the one below all, power up Thor beyond his warrior madness, which Hulk has fought before, causing Thor to become more powerful than he could normally be? So many questions with no answers.
@@asmatariq4641 yup. Idk how Bill's pretending he only fought Thor holding back since warriors madness is literally him not holding back and Bill was there if I remember right XD. Just WiS (writer induced stupidity) probably.
@@colecampbell1906 well, i don't think warrior's madness has ever been described as thor not holding back, i think its usually refered to as a mild strength boost. 10x to be exact. but also, according to ths serpent crown saga, thor has been holding back for so long, he'd nsarly forgote what his own power was like. but more over. its not even just thor holding back, thor has never really been shown using his full power as an elder god either.
I have issues with this. This isn't just Thor vs Hulk. This is Thor's power, multiplied by the Odin force (he has had this for some time now), but his power is also multiplied by Hulk's ragging strength. Hulk is not enraged. This is essentially smart Hulk using the hammer. Yes, Odin is aiding him and allowing him to use Molnir. But this fight isn't one to one. It's not a fair representation of their individual power. And to claim that Thor was holding back in all of their previous fights, with different circumstances, is BS.
No thor was holding back that's for sure cuz thor is never as enraged as hulk in their fights and thor in warrior's madness is very clearly a savage kinda like hulk which was shown in their fight here but i do agree that the claim that thor is stronger just based off their fight here is weird cuz it wasn't even thor, it was thor with hulk's power fighting a hulk with thor and odin's power, there is no clear winner, so they can't claim thor is stronger
Thor didn't have the odinfoce here lmao. It went to Hulk along with ,Mjolnir and Odin's counsel. Thor was held abck by the entire universe and he still stomped hulkie
Isn't that hulk not the angriest hulk therefore not the really a comparison because thor was the angriest and didn't hold back but in this they said that titan is what hulk looks like when going all in and gets as angry as he can
* Thor isn't stronger than the Hulk... This fight was Thor vs Banner not The Hulk... Banner was the one in control, Banner was also clearly holding back and didn't even increase the level in his mind scape... Banner wasn't raging out and getting pissed as the Hulk normally would. Odin and Banner were trying to keep things at a minimum without killing Thor... Thor was in a blind rage and Banner now being the rational one here would never go all out to take out Thor,Banner/Odin was the voice of reason here... Thor was blinded by rage. I guess you could say that both Banner and Thor learnt from eachother. They understand eachother. *Donny cates saying that Hulk never fought the true Thor is absolutely incorrect and simply him being bias... i could say the same as Thor aswell has never fought the true Hulk... All that statement does is disregard the legendary battles these two titans have had in the past... nothing more. * In terms of sheer physical strength Hulk has always been stronger and still is.. Thor himself has time and time stated that Hulk is indeed stronger than him. Even Marvel has said this... Keep in mind power and strength are two different things,Powerwise? Yeah Thor is definitely more powerful but in terms of strength? Hulk is absolutely stronger. This book was all over the place and it was clear cates didn't really understand the history of the Hulk and the fights both characters have had... Heck even Peter David said Donny's writing on the Hulk is a bit confusing... In the end this fight proves on thing Donny cates allowed his bias cloud his judgement. 》Thor isn't stronger than the Hulk.
I wish Donny never did this. He introduces this new superpowerful version of a Hulk and then makes the story culminate in a no show for said Hulk. What the hell was the point then, donny!?!?!?
Now wait a minute, they switched powers? So it sounds like Thor won with hulk's power so technically hulk stronger?🤔 Not to mention he wasn't even fighting the rage-filled hulk! he was fighting two split personalities that were perfectly calm. 🤷 Sounds like you're just saying Thor had more suppressed anger than Bruce . I say nothing is settled. ⚖️
Bruce Banner specifically said he has the hold back the devil hulk or it would be the end. Thor fought a banner controlled hulk who was trying to reason with Thor not kill him. This not a definitive answer to who is the strongest.
@Destrudo lol what ?have you read the world war hulk comic He was holding back it was stated by Dr strange and hulk himself He has the world breaker inside him he chooses when to use that form
@cringekiller348 hulk holds back more than any other character cuz the moment he stops holding back the world breaker mod comes out then we know the rest
It was ambiguous at best. Thor's ability to increase his strength came from the Hulk. Without it this its just Thor entering the warrior madness which the Hulk HAS fought before, contrary to Beta Ray Bill's exposition. Also, he was fighting a caged up Hulk under Banner's control. Had this fight been against the Devil Hulk or the Green Scar Gavage personality, things likely would have been different. Also, even with all of these restraints, the Hulk with one arm ( funny how it didn't regrow immediately) still held his own and knocked Thor into the world tree. This fight had no definitive winner.
I believe what Bill meant was not that Hulk has never fought Thor while enraged, but that Thor has always limited his own godly might even subcosciously while in the presence of his mortal friends, even in Warrior's Madness. As we have seen several times before, Marvel gods are complex beings beyond normal understanding that have their own cosmology around them, and abilities innate to them. Gorr could tell gods from non-gods too, and that they held some sort of special power that made them so, beyond simple power levels. The same way Thor while trapped in the infinite vastness of the Tesseract managed to find the exit using his godly existence as he himself stated that his nature is not bound by the merely perceptible, that his might transcends his corporeal form and dimensions. Or when the Space Phantom tried to BFR him with one of his portals, only for Thor to tell him that his power has no effect on him because he is a god, and his own portal bounced back and BFR'd Space Ghost. Being a god is clearly more than a title, at least among the most well-known ones. That level of power has only been reserved for Thor-only runs, as Thor clearly fights very differently and with a much higher level of power during his own storylines than he does in Midgard, where even The Superior Spiderman could embarass him.
@@Akatsukileader9 but the same could and has been said about the Hulk. Banner is the limiting factor in his conflicts too. By the way, the Hulk isn't mortal. Thor never fought the Hulk when he reaches World Breaker rage levels and stops holding back. Not even the Sentry faced that and the Hulk managed to fight him to a draw BEFORE going World Breaker.
@@RD-zx6py then I suggest that you stop reading comics.😂😂😂 Most concepts of superhuman abilities are ridiculous. Banner and Rick Jones should have died from radiation sickness from being that close to nuclear weapon being detonated. Peter Parker shouldn't have gotten esp and super strength from and spider bite radioactive or not. It's comics, lighten up.😂
Thor was meant to be stronger. It’s when other writers started working on the issues they completely dumped down Thor in power just so hulk could stand a chance. If we look at Thor’s solo comic runs were hulk is not apart of the story Thor shows more power than hulk ever has or at the very least matched him. If look at Thor’s feats he’s beat the silver surfer in every encounter, destroyed celestial armor, reversed the flow of nine realms, smashed planets like pebbles, beat black bolt without much trouble, took out namor in the rain with one punch. Namor and black bolt are the few characters that have stalemated hulk. Shook the entire universe when he threw his hammer at galactus and created a rift in space and time with his strength alone. Hulks most talked about feats are usually cracking onslaughts armor or stalemating sentry, but those two fail in comparison to Thor’s feats.
I agree. I don't think we will ever see the Warrior madness Thor vs Devil/World Breaker/Savage Unbridled Monster Hulk. We didnt even get to see Titan Hulk vs Thor...Based on a separate video I watched, most of these fights are draws, but the Hulk may have one on Thor.
No wonder this video got so many dislikes. It was never confirmed that Thor was stronger than Hulk, in fact that comic added nothing new. We’ve always known Thor holds back but something Thor fans always forget is that Hulk also holds back. This new gamma Thor was still unable to put down the Hulk disproving the notion that Thor can beat Hulk if he felt all out.
If he needed the Hulks power to do all of this how does that make him stronger. Also Bruce is in control it’s not the Hulk. Logic of Bruce makes it not the true Hulk. Therefore doesn’t prove anything to me except this story is awesome showing of both characters.
@@donnystringer2413 that the gamma didn’t amp his physical stats. It’s stated that all it did was make him not hold back. The gamma was actually a nerf too. He didn’t have his hammer and he didn’t use his powers
If you think that the absorption of Hulks radiation did nothing for Thor why are we having a conversation. Considering his power has created many other Hulk characters. You can honestly believe it did nothing for Thors power. Ok, whatever you say.
@@donnystringer2413 it’s verbatim that all it did was make him not hold back. This isn’t opinionated. It’s a fact that it didn’t all Thors power. It acted as a nerf
I agree. I love how in depth they get and make it easy to understand without being boring or overly explaining and they stay so mutual without picking favorites.
They lied and said Marvel confirms Thor was stronger the comic did no such thing. In fact even with Hulk's strength added to him Thor still couldn't beat Hulk.
Yeah this wasn’t THE official hulk vs Thor fight we wanted. Lots of great pieces to the story and amazing material… just wasn’t pieced together very well. This was smart hulk with mljnor vs gamma radiation Thor. This was mid diff Thor vs low diff hulk
It would be a far more even contest with him having the Odin-Force now. More likely Thor wins now, where I'd say Worldbreaker is more than stanard Thor can handle. People also sleep on his Warrior Madness and ability to draw from the power of Gaia, one of the elders of the universe!
I don't know if I would say that this finally answers the long age question of whom is stronger. Hulk has always been known to get immensely more powerful as his rage intensifies. In this what if story, Thor has Hulk powers to some level. I would not say it was the same level as world breaker Hulk. We don't know if Hulk having powers of Thor made him calmer or more into control of his intelligence. The whole thing about Hulk is seeing him rage out and unleashed.
I don't think it's about the fight itself, but what Bill says. That Hulk has never fought Thor, the real Thor, the god. Only the Avenger, the hero. We can ascertain that by his own admission to hold back immensely in Midgard or in the presence of his mortal friends, and by the fact that Thor is a lot more powerful during his own stories than during Avengers runs.
@@Akatsukileader9 I would have liked to have then see Thor not infused with Hulk's rage, but rather in a Awakened state take on the Hulk. But then again Hulk would also would have to be at his maximum output to take on a God.
So Donnie Cates just glances over the fact that: 1. Hulk always holds back 2. Hulk can absorb gamma radiation out of people so why didn’t he do that to Thor? 3. Cates writes Thor stories but I’m sure if Greg Pek wrote this the ending would be different
Pak was a hulk fan a big one at that and your wrong on hulk always holding back there's a number of instances where he didn't hold back same with Thor.
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 ruclips.net/video/v_ih9-IZiGM/видео.html (here is my proof) I know, just like Cates is a huge Thor fan; so it all depends on who’s writing it
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 your right but in the looks of this we did not get titan or hulk could absorb his power an you can't say no to this thor has galactus, Odin power si in the end hulk is still strong
I enjoyed the Banner of War storyline. I thought it was a fun up to date classic fight between Hulk and Thor. But as comic fans we all know there is never “one true answer” especially when we are talking about who is stronger. It all depends on the writer and the direction they want to take the story. Was this a Thor at his strongest? Yes. Was Hulk? I would argue no. If that was World Breaker Hulk, there would be a difference. But again and it just proves me point even more, World Breaker Hulk served the purpose that the writer wanted to take in that storyline. Love Variant Comics, you guys are one of the reasons I collect single issue comics 🙌
Only if Thor is turned into a Hulk can he compete with the Hulk and we didnt see Hulk go Titan so its still not Hulk at his mos tpowerful vs Thor at his most powerful. In reality the question still has not been answered.
Yah but the most powerful version recently is cosmic Thor and idt titan can beat him that version of Thor killed Galactus daddy a being who eats universes titan is probably gonna be a menace but those two are the best recent versions or maby Odin force Thor would probably be close to titans level
@@thomasthunder5887 We still havent seen Titans true power of what he is capable of. Cates said Titan cannot be stopped but i assume we will find more about him later on in this Hulk run. As of now we have only seen a brief glimpse of him. Im not capping Titan at Odin Thor level when he is 30 feet tall and oozed raw power as has been explained.
@@abangman8942 Well its pretty Obvious Thor going Hulk was a more impressive leap in power than Hulk going Thor. Titan was able to cause Thor to Hulk out and become more powerful than even the Hulk with Thors power. Its not being a fanboy its calling it the way it is.
This doesn’t really answer the question. Bill says Thor was holding back in their past fights, meaning he’s the strongest, but Hulk also held back and didn’t turn into his more powerful forms like Devil or World Breaker. Donny Cates also keeps saying Titan, the Hulk’s Hulk, is the most powerful form of Hulk, and Thor definitely hasn’t fought him yet. Thor has also stated in several past fights that he wasn’t holding back anymore, and has even fought Hulk in Warriors Madness state, which increases his strength ten fold at the cost of his sanity, meaning he definitely wouldn’t be holding back. Also lets be honest. That statement will likely be retconed in the future. Possibly during their next fight.
That is true, but take it like this thor has become way more powerful in recent years than he’s ever been in silver and golden age which is around the time where most Thor V Hulk fights took place. There are versions of Thor that would absolutely decimate most versions of hulk including world breaker. This hulk in particular had Thors power and a Odin force imbued mljonir, and all Thor needed was something to keep him from completely holding back at all. Like bill said Thor felt empathy and compassion for the hulk and that can be implied to be mental blockers from him going completely all out, in the past Thor saying “I’m not holding back” could of just been his full power at the time OR a plot device used to add a feeling of intensity to their past fights. Not to mention those versions of hulk you mentioned didn’t exist yet when the majority of their fights went down. And even if it did WB hulk scales to sentry who has been beaten by thor many times.
@@jmrjhulk world war hulk and world breaker hulk are not the same. Guy. Like I said Thor has gotten stronger almost every time we see him again and not used the sentry scaling. Either way why does that matter? What are you implying? I already said that most versions of thor are stronger than hulk. Based of feats and lore alone.
@@_Legendary__ lol.. just watch banner incredible channel .. anyway im a fan of both these characters. I even have a whole collection of action figures. These video didn't answer who is stronger.
@@_Legendary__ and why are you dcaling sentry when hulk beat his ass. That hulk and sentry battle wasnt even a draw. Sentry was down and hulk was still up. And you said thor is getting stronger everytime? What about hulk didnt he have an upgrade? Immortal hulk, the one below all, titan hulk? Again just watch banner incredible hulk channel coz cates was not consistent with thor
@@David_Scar They did. If you don’t like it that’s totally fine, but they actually made him interesting. How much creativity can coke from grunts and screams. “Hulk Smash” is his only character trait. Doc Green isn’t as strong as Hulk but he’s actually got a character.
I honestly didn't get that vibe that thor is stronger, I mean I got that thor is much stronger than fans give him credit for and that he is as top teir as they get. Hulk loosing an arm and taking a beating is nothing knew I mean that's what his body is built for the healing factor etc. I also felt hulk getting Thora powers was just so hulk wouldn't unleash his titan form and make things worse. I also think the bleed of titans powers affected thor also just like the people they though banner killed. Only definitive answer I got is hulk is a real problem and shouldn't be low balled. Hulk still has to much in the tank and didn't reach heart of the monster levels in this run nor did titan show up so I'm calling this a draw at best.
I feel like theres people that say thor not holding back would beat galactus or the beyonder, simply cause hes a god, i hate that logic because the only times thor could beat coamic entities was with a powerup, and even then thor is more raw power, not a reality warping universal, onipitent god
Originally Thor was clearly more powerful than Hulk. The concept was strongest man vs strongest god. Even other Asgardians used to be super strong, such as when Loki was able to punch out the Silver Surfer
Yes more "powerful" not stronger... there's a difference between power and strength. Power wise yes Thor is more powerful but strength wise Hulk is absolutely stronger.
Thor literally received power up directly from Hulk ( gamma explosion)- only a small portion of hulks power. He benefited immensly. All the impressive stuff Thor did was an exhibition of HULKS strength. Hulk powered down by weilding Mjolnir. No appreciable benefits of gaining Thors power. Actually he had to power down by agreeing with Odin to hold Mjolnir or else Hulk would have destroyed everything (Titan Hulk) after killing Thor. So hulked out Thor beating worthy Hulk is the same as Hulk beating Thor.
Here's my issue. If Thor's gamma radiation was removed could he still hulk out? We've seen Banner do it time & time again. Personally, I'm assuming this will have long-term implications on Thor's comics.
No he can't matter of fact banner and Odin were literally trying to hold back titan hulk this fight proves absolutely nothing Thor said he held back everytime they fought which was obvious but that hulk back then was weaker
I think pretty much every hulk story makes banner unique from all the others. Can still hulk out despite being depowered. Straight up over powers other hulks with a variety of abilities while holding back and the different personalities. The only reason why thulk is stronger or more powerful than base hulk is because of their origin and nature. If banner was Odin's son I doubt Thor would be able to beat him in any way shape or form
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_"Always has been."_ From their inception, it was always supposed to be impressive that Hulk can fight Thor, and not that Thor can fight Hulk. Plus, Thor has the totality of the Odinforce plus Mjolnir, plus Odin. Dear old dad could headbutt Galactus with little trouble.
Hulk is still stronger though, odin himself stated that hulk is more than a match for thor, and if were going by that logic a bannerless or enraged hulk overpowers thor
@@Sucmydack To be fair this is not world break a Hulk or devil hulk or Heart of the monster hulk We know that Bruce holds back the Hulk a lot so thors friends do not know the true power of the Hulk
the only glaring issue is that Thor is gamma irradiated Id have to see the similar feats while in the madness without the gamma power for it to be conclusive to me
So what I’m hearing is that Thor needed to become a Hulk to defeat a hulk…meaning Thor as himself wasn’t quiet on par with the hulk…so Hulk is stronger.
I didn’t really enjoy that lol I don’t like how they keep decreasing the Hulk’s value in the MCU and in the comics. With Titan Hulk soon coming and Immortal Hulk we’ve seen before it’s clear the Hulk has immense and crazy power. Yet he still “loses” lol I just don’t get it
I think it’s goofy how they are trying to write Thor stronger than the Hulk now. I remember when the Hulk strength was base on how angry he got and that it was unlimited. Basically give him time to get angrier then he’s unstoppable now he’s losing battles to the Hulkbuster🤷🏽♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️…
The fact that thor had to be hulked out to be stronger, I would not say hes stronger. Especially since banner never brought hulk to max power since instead he has a cap. This fight is the most we cant tell out of them all. Since they both got their powers and both were not fighting as they would. Hulk was not able to go unlimited and thor was not allowed to use his experience.
@@Destrudo5359 hulk was not fighting banner was, hulk was stuck in the engine room powering his body. Hulk is a much better fighter than banner. I know its weird but you have to think of them as separate people.
@@Destrudo5359 Lol false. Hulk unleashed 3000 gamma bombs onto Thor turning him into a hulk and leaving hulk Melancholy not even angry anymore, Hulk was handling both Thor Odin and Ironman all at the same time, he was fighting physically and mentally and Thor was getting bodied before the 3000 gamma bomb explosion hulk gave off. It was a 3v1 and Hulk still bodies them at only level 8 and even 10 wouldn’t be his max since in the most recent recent issue Titan pushes Hulk beyond that and becomes a being that would be unstoppable to anyone in the universe. Hulk was sipping Thor before calming himself down and getting trapped by Odin again, also besides that fact it was banner fighting not savage enraged Hulk which if it would have been Thor would’ve gotten wrecked. Thor being imbued with World breaker strength gave him the edge when hulk having miolnir didn’t just gave him a hammer lol. No definitive winner but at the end of it Hulk is immortal and backed by Marvels Devil The one above all and possesses infinite strength as the beyonder has stated. Hulk has no limit while Thor needs power ups constantly
So a lot of people will get mix feelings about this issue I believe that Thor when he's done holding back, done trying to save people from themselves, he can beat almost anyone We've seen Thor and Hulk battling out a lot, in one issue of Immortal Hulk, Hulk wrecked Thor and the other Avengers In this particular issue BRB specifically said that Hulk never FOUGHT the real Thor, Thor when he doesn't hold anything back i partially agree In the event of Fear Itself, Thor fought both Hulk and The thing who were both under Cull's influence, and Thor won He send Hulk flying and made a hole through the Thing's chest Now i know some will not agree with this, by saying that Hulk wasn"t himself, that may be true, but he was still making use of his anger, was more brutal and at any point saw Thor as someone trying to help him, at the very last moment Thor stopped seeing Hulk as Banner who is a friend, Thor knocked Hulk out Let's not forget that Thor managed to beat the Silver Surfer by hitting him with Mjolnir which caused the destruction of a planet in which Thor came out unscratch He knocked out Galactus, in recent event he even killed Galactus He now has the full power of the Odin Force I believe that Hulk can beat Thor as well, don't get me wrong, but overall, if both are serious about fighting, no restrictions, using all their powers and might, there's 70% chance that Thor would win
Srry, i meant around 50-6p% for Thor winning It was established that Hulk is like the living embodiment of the One Below All or The One Above All, i don't really recall But still, both Thor and Hulk are crazy powerful in their own way
I didn’t take anything that Thor was stronger then hulk from this issue. There are too many caveat is going on here. If anything I’m a little more confused about the power scaling between the two of these characters. I’ve always had the idea that Thor holds back in his battles and this is not the first comic I’ve read with this was alluded too. Him being able to rip the world tree out of the ground and dominate this battle is literally because he’s amped by the hulks rage and gamma power which if we’re gonna off of immortal hulk is directly linked to the one below/one above all. I think that is a bigger power boost then hulk being enchanted by the hammer. This battle could’ve been done better.
I mean Hulk isn't the only gamma mutate there's plenty connected to TOBA and other hulks across the multiverse, So the origin of his power doesn't change anything.
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 yea, true I agree that he is not the only gamma mutated that has links or connections to the one above all/one below all but I did assume that The Hulk was the main herald. Similar to how there are multiple herald to Galactus but it’s kind of almost a foregone conclusion that Silver Surfer is the main one and in most cases depending on the story he is the strongest one due to the amount of power that is distributed to him. Is it not the same thing between the hulk and the one above all? We’ve been shown multiple times even in the immortal hulk run that the hulk is the strongest gamma mutate. When writing something like this detail to character lore and origin should count for something. The first half of the battle went well but the conclusion seems like an ass push because it only makes things more confusing lol Granted this is the same guy who literally forgot that the sentry was supposed to be merged sentry with a significant power boost when writing King in black.
Yet the same person who made that statement(stan lee) also said the fight could still go either way... Heck this was how Stan lee described both characters "Hulk is physically stronger while Thor is Mightier"... Thor himself has literally stated that Hulk is stronger than him. Keep in mind power and strength are two different things.
Can you do history of Odin, Heimdall, Lady Sif, the Warrior Three, Balder the Brave, Angela, Brunnhilde Valkyrie and Skurge the Executioner along with the Thor Villains like the Destroyer, Malekith the Accursed, Hela the Goddess of Death, Surtur, the Roxxon_Minotaur, Mongoose, Bloodaxe, Ulik, Kurse, Amora the Enchantress and Mangog?
Donny Cates going back to that old Stan Lee material in where Stan says the following… “I would have to say Thor, because strong as Hulk is, he's still a mortal, but Thor is one of the Norse gods,” Lee said. And as the original creator of both these characters in the Marvel Comics, I’m going to agree with what Donny did here.
Soooo no they didn’t make Thor stronger. Did u forget that the Titan Hulk never came out during that fight? And Bruce didn’t crank Hulk’s level all the way up
I don't agree with the assumption that Thor was more powerful in this fight. Thor almost dies fighting Hulk for all those years as it was because he was holding back? Yeah no. He didn't go Worldbreaker, or Titan, Banner never increased the rage meter in Hulk's mind, ripping an arm off after reading Immortal Hulk is nothing at all to Hulk, etc. etc..
I'm going to respectfully disagree with the idea that Thor is stronger than Hulk because of: A) Immortal Hulk established Hulk is the living embodiment of The One Above All's rage. There is no limit to his strength that he has not yet surpassed. In this story Thor was imbued with Hulk gamma energy, which radiates from The One Below All aka One Above All. B) Heart of the Monster Hulk established that version was the strongest there is. Free from restraint, the same things Beta Ray Bill said of Thor would apply to HOTM Hulk. This is not taking into account what the plan is for Titan Hulk.
Thats not true. Nothing in the whole Immortal Hulk run says Hulk has the "Rage or Strength" of TOAA/TOBA. He said Hulk is his counterweight to break. Pretty much what Galactus is. A being created for disorder. To break or destroy. Nothing more There is no limit to his strength WHEN he can build up infinite rage which needs infinite time which is literally a concept that makes no sense. Cause no fight will ever put him in the position where he build up "infinite strength". So he either gets defeated. Or Hulk just wins before he can even build up the strength to defeat his enemys. And that Thor had Hulks Gamma tells us what? The main reason Thor was so powerful is that the rage (and stupidness) of being a Hulk made him stop holding back. Hulk himself had the bigger powerboost with Thor powers+Mjölnir+Odins help. Thor just had Hulks Gamma and lost Mjölnir on top. Hulk had everything
Bro this is exactly what I was thinking when they said this he was literally just crown the strength of the one above all and the fact that it took for Thor to have the hulk power to be stronger makes no sense this story and ending was fucking dumb
@@stan1045 your wrong yes it does so go read or do your research in that immortal hulk story toward the end the explain the hulks power comes from the one above all he is the strength of the one above all
@@stan1045 TOAA literally told him this at the end of the story after Joe Fixit called him out for being cryptic in his answers, as he never answers directly. You have to use inference to connect the dots. Him being a counterweight is him being the embodiment of destruction against creation. He also said he is necessary, which would explain why Hulk can't die. He is not like Galactus, who exists to keep the Celestial numbers down. And now if his sole purpose is destruction, and powered by TOBA, you would have to cook the books with a scenario where Thor beats Hulk, much less can kill him. There is no limit to his strength. Full stop. It grows in proportion to his rage, which is already infinite. He doesn't need infinite time, just sufficient provocation. Once he reaches a limit, it's easy for him to ramp up to the previous level. Example: Worldbreaker Hulk part 2 before he went HOTM, which is what would happen if Hulk were to build up infinite strength. An example of infinite strength Hulk: Cosmic Hulk used by TOBA. Thor having Hulk's gamma and "beating" the Hulk without Mjolnir is a further testament to Hulk's powers, not Thor's. If anything Hulk actually lost power because he created a gamma explosion to free himself of Mjolnir. This battle does not definitely answer the question of who is stronger. This all conditional. Give me Rune King or Herald King Thor vs. HOTM or Cosmic Hulk in an actual fight to the death then we can have a conversation.
Thor was effectively given the Odinforce in Thor3. Which allowed him to batter Hulk on Sakaar. since then Hulk has become the least powerful green Hulk and it seem they are continuing his emasculation.
Tbh, thor has always been more powerful than the hulk, and he should be. Tbh like, superman thor has more feats than anybody in marvel, including Hulk. I can argue thor has just as impressive feats as the hulk, if not better. I do think when it comes to the strength that hulk should have the edge, but honestly, there is no limit on the strength as well
Sidebar: Thor has to become a Hulk to defeat The Hulk..... lol!! I'm sticking with Banner on this one for my own personal reasons. And I believe some people might understand why.
but wasn't thor essentially a hulk also, not actually thor the OG? I mean the power of "the hulk" is that he is a hulk no? With that comes amped physical prowess in all areas, so doesn't that add ontop thor's godliness? Honest question
Why are these writers ruining tye Hulk. He ate wolverine and then wolverine burst out of hilk killing him. Now Thor beating the hulk when its been stated Hulk is the strongest and live longer than all of them. I dont even read Hulk comics anymore since they are destroying him even in the avengers. They should just leave him alone as it is.
aside from superman ( i am humble enough to admit it) HULK IS STILL THE STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!! this fight proves nothing except that the writer is opinionated and ignorant of THE HISTORY OF THE INCREDIBLE HULK! all we need is a writer who is practical and fun and willing to give the hulk the respect he deserves even if he loses labeled as the STRONGEST one there is (PHYSICALLY) while thor is healed as the more "POWERFUL" (MYSTICALLY), i can live with that, but the ending of banner of war was straight bull$#@t!! inconclusive to say the least, SO until we get a practical and explosive writer like greg pak to go all out with both of them at their most explosive, breaking mountains, worlds, and shaking galaxies to their universal core before a winner emerges, mark this fight aa INCONCLUSIVE, like word up and be blessed 😎👑 #IncredibleHulkForever #TheStrongestOneThereIs
Honestly Marvel will not write certain characters correctly. The creator of Thor said himself he made Thor to be stronger than Hulk because he is a god and hulk is just a human at the end of the day. But the issue is you give these impossible accomplishments to hulks when basically all his power comes from super strength. And to be lazy you say oh he gets stronger the angrier he gets. Like okay sure that explains how hulk beats beings that should be able to flick him away. But Thor especially classic Thor has way more powers than just super strength and someone explain to me why you only know Thor for a occasional lightning strike. Throwing a hammer or throwing hands. But magic use? No. Dimensional portals? Nope. He the son of Gaeaso using that earth based power set? Nope. It’s like the creators forget the source material of Thor and other types of characters and say let’s just make him a hammer time man. While at one point in the 2000 to 2010 year decade they have hulk one movie after another in animation and hulk was portrayed as the strongest and I still have issue with that. If you give them all the power sets we have seen Thor should literally be able to teleport hulk out of existence or into a black hole or something but like Odin said. Thor doesn’t use the force he has for anything that it can be used for. It’s like having s bunch of tools but you only use the hammer
@@too_official6194 not really. Hard to day. RkT could alter reality with a thought. This version is All-Father Thor with full on warrior madness and a bit of a bump from gamma radiation. Unreal power in strength, but not the universe-wide reality warping.
@@mitchcowan1446 have u not read recent comics u obviously haven’t gos Loki is stronger then rune king Thor he literally has the powers of the writers themselves some say he is the writer he was getting folded by Donald Blake n couldn’t do shit shit to him this is insane bc this same Loki was easily above RKT n current Thor comes in and bodiedS Donald Blake easily something that gos Loki couldn’t do
Absolutely BS. This isn't natural Thor but one powered with Hulk's powers. This only shows that Hulk is still superior as Thor couldn't beat him with his regular Thor powers so the Hulk power gave him a greater boost. Doesn't prove anything. Had this been a Thor, not Hulked up but actually Thor going into some Thor Rage Mode or something, then I could've bought into the whole "held back for hundreds of years" BS. Regardless of the explanation, I hate this.
Bwahahaha...I love seeing Hulk Fanboys whine. Clearly you don't know Thor. The gamma unleashed his Warriors Madness. Thor has always held back lol. Stan Lee himself said this and that Thor was meant to be a check for Hulk. Deal with it. Oh....here's your rattle lol
Actually banner is human and hulk is technically a god/demi god since he is a host specifically for the one below all/one above all who is actual god lol.
yes and thank you fine sir!!! marvel is inconsistent and the only version of the hulk donny cates cares about is his own, i ain't beat, for to me HULK IS STILL THE PHYSICALLY STRONGEST ONE THERE IS, even if he loses in a fight to thor, after all, MORE POWERFUL (thor) does NOT mean the same thing as being PHYSICALLY STRONGER (hulk), so hulk is still the strongest one there is to me, like long live the incredible hulk! 😎
What doesn’t make sense is Marvel has always said that Hulks upper limits are immeasurable. I realize Thor is a God but it makes no sense to there is no limit to his strength but then flat out say that Thor has always been more powerful because he’s held back. Need we forget that Thor has lost to villains before that he had no reason to restrain himself. Are we to believe that Thor has always held back over his millennia+ long life?
@@mitchcowan1446 I’ve been reading Thor comics for decades and I can’t think of many times he’s held back when fighting villains. There are countless examples of him fighting heroes and showing restraint, but I can’t think of any villains off the top. Also in this instance they are talking about physical strength, hence why Uatu refers to Hulk as “Strongest one their is, Worldbreaker…” they are framing Hulk as being known as the strongest.
Ok no Thor is more powerful than Bruce Banner Hulk not Hulk Hulk there is a huge difference and of course Hulk isn’t going to win against a hulked out Thor even if Hulk can “use” Thor’s hammer he wouldn’t be able to use its full power since it’s not his also Thor is already naturally strong without being a Hulk so of course he wins but honestly is we saw full power Rage mode Hulk vs Regular Thor not holding back this is a completely different story!!!!! So no this doesn’t prove Thor is stronger than Hulk just because Thor was holding back before.
The whole point of most of their fights is ambiguity. Occasionally one has scored a "win" over the other, but even here it's mostly just a vehicle for Thor and Hulk to understand each other and their power. No real winner or loser. A real all out slugfest would most assuredly threaten the planet.
Sure give the biggest Thor fanboy to write who would win between hulk and Thor story. And expect the outcome to be not biased. Hulk was literally being held back by the author during this whole fight his rage wasn’t utilised once now even his Titan form. Not too mention donny cade is literally handing out Thor big wins in every chapter
Awwww another butthurt Hulk fanboy. Make all the rationalization you want, but thems the facts. Maybe do some research and see that Stan Lee created Thor to stop the Hulk from time to time. He states why Thor is stronger, but yeah, depending on the arc and the writers, anything can be changed. Don't be too upset. Thor fans have dealt with the indignity shown to Thor for a few decades now
@@mitchcowan1446 aww I’m sorry that my comments crushed your little spirit little kiddo but facts doesn’t care about your feelings you can cry in a corner about it kid Stanley is long dead what he said back in the 60s doesn’t apply anymore sorry boo boo
@@mitchcowan1446 "But thems the fact" how is it a fact? You yourself literally state that "yeah depending on the arc and writer"... Also going by who wrote this story it's pretty clear to see that there indeed was a bias... Cates is more incline with Thor so of course he'll make Thor look more impressive... Want me to give you a fact?? Thor himself has literally said that Hulk is indeed stronger than him... if you need scans let me know.
The comments say it all, this wasn't a clear answer of Thor vs. Hulk. It was a Gama powered Thor vs. a Banner controlled Hulk, hardly a good comparison. I say bring out World Breaker Hulk or this Hulk Titan!
This the same Thor that tried to kill Immortal hulk and nearly got suffocated to death? Trying to kill someone isn't holding back and immortal hulk isn't even that strong by hulk standards and Thor almost got killed. I'm literally a Thor fan, he's my favorite Marvel character and I don't even like this writing. It's not been in connection to any of the writing thus far but again whatever 🙄 ruclips.net/video/v_ih9-IZiGM/видео.html
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I liked this comic, but I do not agree with Donny's statement that Thor always holds back in his fights with the Hulk. Reason being is because Professor Hulk was able to defeat Warriors Madness Thor (bloodlusted Thor with a x10 multiplier). Plus it was stated by Banner that when the Hulk was free from the Engine Room, he wasn't aware that he was free and still assumed he was still in the Engine Room. It's because of this and his rage and power increasing made the Hulk become World Breaker Hulk and started wrecking havoc on both All Father Thor and the Iron-Celestial. If it wasn't for Odin, Hulk would have killed both Thor and Iron-Man. When Thor became World Breaker Thor, Banner stated to Odin that if the TITAN emerged, he would have ended it all completely. Which means killing World Breaker Thor and Tony. So for Donny Cates to say that Thor is stronger and has always held back against the Hulk is completely wrong in my opinion. In my opinion, without any the 3rd party power ups/interference/wacky plot whatever, if it were just simply a fight between the Hulk and Thor to the death, Hulk would be the winner because of his limitless power, his very advanced healing factor and his ability to come back life through the Green Door would insure his victory against Thor and killing him in brutal fashion. Now look I love both characters, but after reading Al Ewing's Immortal Hulk, I just don't see Thor surviving against the Hulk in a battle to the death.
You can't go by Banner saying he would've won if he was Titan, he's a character in the story. Thor would always say he would beat Hulk. Are we gonna believe Thor because he said it? Hell, Stan Lee stated that Thor is stronger than Hulk. You're forgetting one major thing that defeats this entire paragraph: *Writers are inconsistent*
For the last time, thor is not stronger, the hulk constantly holds back to, and odin stated he was holding back in a way to, since he wasn’t using miojnir at its fullest, not to mention thor was gamma boosted, this is no answer to the question, at the very least its vert open to interpretation, and are we forgetting hulk can absorb gamma radiation at will from other gamma mutates, he couldve ended the fight whenever he wanted
@@too_official6194 Its a nerfed Hulk. He never got any stronger due to Banner not allowing him to express his full rage or whatever the reason was i forgot. They took away his hack. Hulk is much like Superman (minus kryptonite effects) or Saitama meaning in reality they should never lose to anyone based on how the character is written.
But it wasn't Hulk only "spaceship Hulk." Also regardless what Beta Rays dialogue was, the last blow neutralized both and bought them to a stalemate yet again. Just saying.
I love the idea of thor being stronger than the hulk but holding back thor is freaking thor a god while banner is mortal now hulk in the one below all form different story but now that thor has access to that power a god with that power vs a mortal with that power is not the same
How is Hulk mortal? Didn't Thor put the Hammer on Hulk's chest expecting him to give up and hulk just got up tearing a hole in his chest? Also Hulk was said to hold back long before this.
Not really, anyone who actually understood this fight can see that this was Thor vs Banner not Thor vs Hulk.... This was all Banner not the Hulk,Banner and Odin were the voice of reason while Thor was the raging monster.... Banner didn't even increase the anger level.
Out of all the battles between the two, this made me the happiest. Yah know what doesn't make me happy, Marvel continuously releasing #1 issues and not showing the legacy numbering. Is Immortal Thor actually just Thor 762 nobody understands my OCD rage
I'm glad to see this happen honestly. Too many properties keep trying to one up each other in how many or how Powerful the Gods they kill. Its been too long since comics actually let the Gods in their worlds be Gods and its especially gratifying to hear Thor has been holding back all this time. Because it makes sense, when Thor first appeared in Marvel Comics he was mostly just supposed to be Thor of mythology. The twist was he was banished to Earth to learn lessons in humanity and restraint, as well as to see Odin confirm there is more to Mjolnir than that stupid Worthiness enchantment. This is the Thor I have been wanting to see for years now, the Thor who faught off Old Age with nothing but Brute force. The Thor whose hammer wasn't just "Only the worthy may lift" but that it was so immensely powerful that only Thor or someone of his caliber could use it without being utterly vaporized.
Mmmm meh most of the times Hulk has won a battler against Thor, it's was dream or Thor was straight out no trying to fight Hulk. When he as fought him, Thor is always in complete control, in on comic book Thor was moving Hulk to safer locations so they can fight without harming everyone on earth. Thor has also outright beat Hulk easily multiple times. Thor wins lol
I certainly rolled my eyes at Bill's "holding back" dialogue. The Hulk is *The Strongest There Is.* That's been his thing since forever. They can add and retcon as many pretenders as possible. But the _next_ writer will always make Hulk do something to retain his title.
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Weird, I would think they would put their own created character "over"?
I think Thor
I would say this battle is still pretty ambiguous. Thor reached that level of strength WITH the power of the Hulk
Not completely. People forget about Thor's warrior madness, which he keeps in check. When this in unleashed he is far more powerful!!! Being a Hulk is not why he wins. BRB tells the story cpearly his anger is now unbridled. The Gamma takes all the inhibitions off. People forget about Thor's powers. He has a smidge of the Superman thing where he often hilds back. Sorry Hulk fans.
But hulk has mjolnir and that's makes him thor
Like 50/50
@@mitchcowan1446 yea
@@mitchcowan1446 except Hulk was said to hold back too in old comics and hulk did fight warrior madness Thor and they were evenly matched. These writers don't care about consistency
It was Banner fighting Thor not Hulk. Not to mention Banner and Odin were trying not to let Titan out. That was the goal all along. So this doesn't prove anything. Just another story that has an ending that settles nothing.
agreed
Not true. You are just a Hulk fanboy with a sore butt lol
Couldn't have said it better myself
Facts
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So since The Hulk is becoming increasingly less important in the MCU, he's also becoming less important in the main Marvel universe. Shocking.
U hit it right on the head
Eeemm just told us that World War Hulk is coming
How is he less important? He’s a different persona from the comics. He’s more interesting since he can use his brain and strength.
Completely agree on the mcu bit, but Thor was specifically made to be stronger than the hulk. I think Stan Lee himself said something like “when asking what could be more powerful than the strongest man the only thing we could think of is a god”
@@marvelsProtege People don’t like that he’s more interesting in a story sense.
Not sure how this fight can realistically be used to evaluate either of these two. Thor got juiced up on Gamma and became a Hulk, and Hulk got juiced up on Mjolnir and became a pseudo Thor….their respective combat power is all out of whack. Even with the comments about Thor holding back, the same argument could be made regarding Hulk.
It's also Thor without his hammer which is at least a minor depower. It's fine to say Hulk Thor = Rage Thor without his Hammer. It doesn't really make sense to say Hammerless Rage Thor > Hammer Hulk > Hammer Thor
@bush As far as the lore handles her yes. Arguing otherwise would be like arguing whether squirrel girl > thor.
@bush Probably because these aren't real people and whoever the writer says is stronger is stronger. The writers hand behind Jane makes her stronger than base Thor for no reason other than being "super worthy".
@bush Nah just more power compared to base Thor and that was before the whole Odinhammer thing. Jane hasn't been Thor in a long time.
@@misterandylink No , you are delusional. Even unworthy Thor would smack jane around
I find it interesting that they give the "win" to Thor, when there truly wasn't any winner here. Banner/Odin Hulk were in control, not the real Hulk. This wasn't even a battle between Thor and the Hulk, but rather worthy banner and Hulked-out Thor. Hell, Banner was tossing "Thulk" around with mjolnir at the end there. But even so, the fight didn't have a winner at all, but a classic "everybody calm down" moment. And where did Titan come into this? Hulk was being held back by BOTH Odin and Banner to prevent Titan from coming out, so it seems like Hulk going all-out wasn't happening. This wasn't a fight between the strongest of 2 characters at all. If we look back at the fight, however, we can see Hulk when he was truly out giving hands to Thulk, and more than just holding his own. If they continued THAT fight and not let Banner and Odin take control, THAT would have been a more definitive result than what we got. Did the Hammer even power up Banner Hulk, or was it just there to use as a club? Did the gamma radiation, being imbued with the power of the one below all, power up Thor beyond his warrior madness, which Hulk has fought before, causing Thor to become more powerful than he could normally be? So many questions with no answers.
Didn't professor hulk match warriors madness Thor before? Lol
@@asmatariq4641 yup. Idk how Bill's pretending he only fought Thor holding back since warriors madness is literally him not holding back and Bill was there if I remember right XD. Just WiS (writer induced stupidity) probably.
Shitty writing
@@colecampbell1906 well, i don't think warrior's madness has ever been described as thor not holding back, i think its usually refered to as a mild strength boost. 10x to be exact. but also, according to ths serpent crown saga, thor has been holding back for so long, he'd nsarly forgote what his own power was like. but more over. its not even just thor holding back, thor has never really been shown using his full power as an elder god either.
@@johnymustacio Actually no. Warriors madness makes him more insane and bloodlthisty so their is nothing to imply he even can hold back with it
I have issues with this.
This isn't just Thor vs Hulk.
This is Thor's power, multiplied by the Odin force (he has had this for some time now), but his power is also multiplied by Hulk's ragging strength.
Hulk is not enraged. This is essentially smart Hulk using the hammer. Yes, Odin is aiding him and allowing him to use Molnir. But this fight isn't one to one.
It's not a fair representation of their individual power.
And to claim that Thor was holding back in all of their previous fights, with different circumstances, is BS.
Them calling this definitive definitely seems like a large stretch.
The only comment that makes sense also Betta Ray has never fought Thor or hulk in there most powerful form so what makes him the expert?
No thor was holding back that's for sure cuz thor is never as enraged as hulk in their fights and thor in warrior's madness is very clearly a savage kinda like hulk which was shown in their fight here but i do agree that the claim that thor is stronger just based off their fight here is weird cuz it wasn't even thor, it was thor with hulk's power fighting a hulk with thor and odin's power, there is no clear winner, so they can't claim thor is stronger
@@ridgefrostnah Hulk stated he was holdback by banner in his world breaker form which is much stronger than world war hulk that defeated sentey
Thor didn't have the odinfoce here lmao. It went to Hulk along with ,Mjolnir and Odin's counsel. Thor was held abck by the entire universe and he still stomped hulkie
Isn't that hulk not the angriest hulk therefore not the really a comparison because thor was the angriest and didn't hold back but in this they said that titan is what hulk looks like when going all in and gets as angry as he can
In short, this story hasn’t answered anything
It was thor vs banner
* Thor isn't stronger than the Hulk... This fight was Thor vs Banner not The Hulk... Banner was the one in control, Banner was also clearly holding back and didn't even increase the level in his mind scape... Banner wasn't raging out and getting pissed as the Hulk normally would. Odin and Banner were trying to keep things at a minimum without killing Thor... Thor was in a blind rage and Banner now being the rational one here would never go all out to take out Thor,Banner/Odin was the voice of reason here... Thor was blinded by rage.
I guess you could say that both Banner and Thor learnt from eachother. They understand eachother.
*Donny cates saying that Hulk never fought the true Thor is absolutely incorrect and simply him being bias... i could say the same as Thor aswell has never fought the true Hulk... All that statement does is disregard the legendary battles these two titans have had in the past... nothing more.
* In terms of sheer physical strength Hulk has always been stronger and still is.. Thor himself has time and time stated that Hulk is indeed stronger than him. Even Marvel has said this... Keep in mind power and strength are two different things,Powerwise? Yeah Thor is definitely more powerful but in terms of strength? Hulk is absolutely stronger.
This book was all over the place and it was clear cates didn't really understand the history of the Hulk and the fights both characters have had... Heck even Peter David said Donny's writing on the Hulk is a bit confusing... In the end this fight proves on thing Donny cates allowed his bias cloud his judgement.
》Thor isn't stronger than the Hulk.
I agree with you 100%
This story is just confusing.
I wish Donny never did this. He introduces this new superpowerful version of a Hulk and then makes the story culminate in a no show for said Hulk. What the hell was the point then, donny!?!?!?
Yea totally agree with evrything u said. Also there were multiple instances where thor did against hulk. And multiple examples of hulk holding back
Thor is more versatile, not more powerful and certainly not physically stronger.
Now wait a minute, they switched powers? So it sounds like Thor won with hulk's power so technically hulk stronger?🤔 Not to mention he wasn't even fighting the rage-filled hulk! he was fighting two split personalities that were perfectly calm. 🤷 Sounds like you're just saying Thor had more suppressed anger than Bruce . I say nothing is settled. ⚖️
no they both got eachothers power. Thor is just more capable...
When Thor merged with hulk thoulk stilled use Thor powers just was amped by the rage of hulk.
Banner hulk is more of a hulk holding back as compared to thor holding back ahahaha, fact still remains that hulk is strongest there is
Bruce Banner specifically said he has the hold back the devil hulk or it would be the end. Thor fought a banner controlled hulk who was trying to reason with Thor not kill him. This not a definitive answer to who is the strongest.
Hulk was holding back he didn't even use titan or world breaker you can see hulk is not trying to fight he juts tried to calm thor
huilk doesn't get to choose when to hold back or not....sucks to suck
@Destrudo lol what ?have you read the world war hulk comic
He was holding back it was stated by Dr strange and hulk himself
He has the world breaker inside him he chooses when to use that form
Hulk never holds back. That's just headcanon
@cringekiller348 hulk holds back more than any other character cuz the moment he stops holding back the world breaker mod comes out then we know the rest
It was ambiguous at best. Thor's ability to increase his strength came from the Hulk. Without it this its just Thor entering the warrior madness which the Hulk HAS fought before, contrary to Beta Ray Bill's exposition. Also, he was fighting a caged up Hulk under Banner's control. Had this fight been against the Devil Hulk or the Green Scar Gavage personality, things likely would have been different. Also, even with all of these restraints, the Hulk with one arm ( funny how it didn't regrow immediately) still held his own and knocked Thor into the world tree. This fight had no definitive winner.
I believe what Bill meant was not that Hulk has never fought Thor while enraged, but that Thor has always limited his own godly might even subcosciously while in the presence of his mortal friends, even in Warrior's Madness. As we have seen several times before, Marvel gods are complex beings beyond normal understanding that have their own cosmology around them, and abilities innate to them. Gorr could tell gods from non-gods too, and that they held some sort of special power that made them so, beyond simple power levels.
The same way Thor while trapped in the infinite vastness of the Tesseract managed to find the exit using his godly existence as he himself stated that his nature is not bound by the merely perceptible, that his might transcends his corporeal form and dimensions. Or when the Space Phantom tried to BFR him with one of his portals, only for Thor to tell him that his power has no effect on him because he is a god, and his own portal bounced back and BFR'd Space Ghost. Being a god is clearly more than a title, at least among the most well-known ones.
That level of power has only been reserved for Thor-only runs, as Thor clearly fights very differently and with a much higher level of power during his own storylines than he does in Midgard, where even The Superior Spiderman could embarass him.
@@Akatsukileader9 but the same could and has been said about the Hulk. Banner is the limiting factor in his conflicts too. By the way, the Hulk isn't mortal. Thor never fought the Hulk when he reaches World Breaker rage levels and stops holding back. Not even the Sentry faced that and the Hulk managed to fight him to a draw BEFORE going World Breaker.
@@RD-zx6py then I suggest that you stop reading comics.😂😂😂 Most concepts of superhuman abilities are ridiculous. Banner and Rick Jones should have died from radiation sickness from being that close to nuclear weapon being detonated. Peter Parker shouldn't have gotten esp and super strength from and spider bite radioactive or not. It's comics, lighten up.😂
Thor was meant to be stronger. It’s when other writers started working on the issues they completely dumped down Thor in power just so hulk could stand a chance. If we look at Thor’s solo comic runs were hulk is not apart of the story Thor shows more power than hulk ever has or at the very least matched him. If look at Thor’s feats he’s beat the silver surfer in every encounter, destroyed celestial armor, reversed the flow of nine realms, smashed planets like pebbles, beat black bolt without much trouble, took out namor in the rain with one punch. Namor and black bolt are the few characters that have stalemated hulk. Shook the entire universe when he threw his hammer at galactus and created a rift in space and time with his strength alone. Hulks most talked about feats are usually cracking onslaughts armor or stalemating sentry, but those two fail in comparison to Thor’s feats.
I agree. I don't think we will ever see the Warrior madness Thor vs Devil/World Breaker/Savage Unbridled Monster Hulk. We didnt even get to see Titan Hulk vs Thor...Based on a separate video I watched, most of these fights are draws, but the Hulk may have one on Thor.
No wonder this video got so many dislikes. It was never confirmed that Thor was stronger than Hulk, in fact that comic added nothing new. We’ve always known Thor holds back but something Thor fans always forget is that Hulk also holds back.
This new gamma Thor was still unable to put down the Hulk disproving the notion that Thor can beat Hulk if he felt all out.
If he needed the Hulks power to do all of this how does that make him stronger. Also Bruce is in control it’s not the Hulk. Logic of Bruce makes it not the true Hulk. Therefore doesn’t prove anything to me except this story is awesome showing of both characters.
Hulks power verbatim just made Thor not hold back. It didnt buff anything.
Thor is using World Breaker energy and his own?So what are you trying to say?
@@donnystringer2413 that the gamma didn’t amp his physical stats. It’s stated that all it did was make him not hold back. The gamma was actually a nerf too. He didn’t have his hammer and he didn’t use his powers
If you think that the absorption of Hulks radiation did nothing for Thor why are we having a conversation. Considering his power has created many other Hulk characters. You can honestly believe it did nothing for Thors power. Ok, whatever you say.
@@donnystringer2413 it’s verbatim that all it did was make him not hold back. This isn’t opinionated. It’s a fact that it didn’t all Thors power. It acted as a nerf
And Hulk further becomes worthless.
Everybody is just doing hulk dirty at this point
What is he a mutant or something?
He was already worthless lmao
@@OnlyUknow2 Read a comic past 2008 kid
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They lied and said Marvel confirms Thor was stronger the comic did no such thing. In fact even with Hulk's strength added to him Thor still couldn't beat Hulk.
Yeah this wasn’t THE official hulk vs Thor fight we wanted. Lots of great pieces to the story and amazing material… just wasn’t pieced together very well. This was smart hulk with mljnor vs gamma radiation Thor. This was mid diff Thor vs low diff hulk
I can imagine if Thor fought Hulk in his World Breaker state without Holding Back.
It would be a far more even contest with him having the Odin-Force now. More likely Thor wins now, where I'd say Worldbreaker is more than stanard Thor can handle. People also sleep on his Warrior Madness and ability to draw from the power of Gaia, one of the elders of the universe!
World Breaker would be obliterated.
N that wat if comic back around that time it was what if thor was there during wwh. Thor was winning the fight against the hulk
There was a reason why Thor had to be dead by the time Planet Hulk happened.
@@pistolpvyg no he wasn’t it was pretty even until they had to save some people
I don't know if I would say that this finally answers the long age question of whom is stronger. Hulk has always been known to get immensely more powerful as his rage intensifies. In this what if story, Thor has Hulk powers to some level. I would not say it was the same level as world breaker Hulk. We don't know if Hulk having powers of Thor made him calmer or more into control of his intelligence. The whole thing about Hulk is seeing him rage out and unleashed.
I don't think it's about the fight itself, but what Bill says. That Hulk has never fought Thor, the real Thor, the god. Only the Avenger, the hero.
We can ascertain that by his own admission to hold back immensely in Midgard or in the presence of his mortal friends, and by the fact that Thor is a lot more powerful during his own stories than during Avengers runs.
@@Akatsukileader9 I would have liked to have then see Thor not infused with Hulk's rage, but rather in a Awakened state take on the Hulk. But then again Hulk would also would have to be at his maximum output to take on a God.
@@Akatsukileader9 not to mention he has his father's power now the Odin force on top of the Hulk's power
HULK is Strongest There is (Hulk Roar)
So Donnie Cates just glances over the fact that: 1. Hulk always holds back 2. Hulk can absorb gamma radiation out of people so why didn’t he do that to Thor? 3. Cates writes Thor stories but I’m sure if Greg Pek wrote this the ending would be different
Pak was a hulk fan a big one at that and your wrong on hulk always holding back there's a number of instances where he didn't hold back same with Thor.
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 ruclips.net/video/v_ih9-IZiGM/видео.html (here is my proof) I know, just like Cates is a huge Thor fan; so it all depends on who’s writing it
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 your right but in the looks of this we did not get titan or hulk could absorb his power an you can't say no to this thor has galactus, Odin power si in the end hulk is still strong
I enjoyed the Banner of War storyline. I thought it was a fun up to date classic fight between Hulk and Thor. But as comic fans we all know there is never “one true answer” especially when we are talking about who is stronger. It all depends on the writer and the direction they want to take the story. Was this a Thor at his strongest? Yes. Was Hulk? I would argue no. If that was World Breaker Hulk, there would be a difference. But again and it just proves me point even more, World Breaker Hulk served the purpose that the writer wanted to take in that storyline. Love Variant Comics, you guys are one of the reasons I collect single issue comics 🙌
It's weird cause in the same comic Bruce yelled at hulk that if he wasn't careful he could have killed celestial ironman and Thor at the same time 😑
Only if Thor is turned into a Hulk can he compete with the Hulk and we didnt see Hulk go Titan so its still not Hulk at his mos tpowerful vs Thor at his most powerful. In reality the question still has not been answered.
Yah but the most powerful version recently is cosmic Thor and idt titan can beat him that version of Thor killed Galactus daddy a being who eats universes titan is probably gonna be a menace but those two are the best recent versions or maby Odin force Thor would probably be close to titans level
@@thomasthunder5887 plus they created thkr specifically in mind with him being stronger then hulk
@@thomasthunder5887 We still havent seen Titans true power of what he is capable of. Cates said Titan cannot be stopped but i assume we will find more about him later on in this Hulk run. As of now we have only seen a brief glimpse of him. Im not capping Titan at Odin Thor level when he is 30 feet tall and oozed raw power as has been explained.
but you didn't mention hulk with the power of thor.fanboy much?
@@abangman8942 Well its pretty Obvious Thor going Hulk was a more impressive leap in power than Hulk going Thor. Titan was able to cause Thor to Hulk out and become more powerful than even the Hulk with Thors power. Its not being a fanboy its calling it the way it is.
This doesn’t really answer the question.
Bill says Thor was holding back in their past fights, meaning he’s the strongest, but Hulk also held back and didn’t turn into his more powerful forms like Devil or World Breaker. Donny Cates also keeps saying Titan, the Hulk’s Hulk, is the most powerful form of Hulk, and Thor definitely hasn’t fought him yet. Thor has also stated in several past fights that he wasn’t holding back anymore, and has even fought Hulk in Warriors Madness state, which increases his strength ten fold at the cost of his sanity, meaning he definitely wouldn’t be holding back.
Also lets be honest. That statement will likely be retconed in the future. Possibly during their next fight.
That is true, but take it like this thor has become way more powerful in recent years than he’s ever been in silver and golden age which is around the time where most Thor V Hulk fights took place. There are versions of Thor that would absolutely decimate most versions of hulk including world breaker. This hulk in particular had Thors power and a Odin force imbued mljonir, and all Thor needed was something to keep him from completely holding back at all. Like bill said Thor felt empathy and compassion for the hulk and that can be implied to be mental blockers from him going completely all out, in the past Thor saying “I’m not holding back” could of just been his full power at the time OR a plot device used to add a feeling of intensity to their past fights. Not to mention those versions of hulk you mentioned didn’t exist yet when the majority of their fights went down. And even if it did WB hulk scales to sentry who has been beaten by thor many times.
@@_Legendary__ if you read most of hulks comics, Even in world war hulk he was holding back. In las vegas hulk was holding back. So.........
@@jmrjhulk world war hulk and world breaker hulk are not the same. Guy. Like I said Thor has gotten stronger almost every time we see him again and not used the sentry scaling. Either way why does that matter? What are you implying? I already said that most versions of thor are stronger than hulk. Based of feats and lore alone.
@@_Legendary__ lol.. just watch banner incredible channel .. anyway im a fan of both these characters. I even have a whole collection of action figures. These video didn't answer who is stronger.
@@_Legendary__ and why are you dcaling sentry when hulk beat his ass. That hulk and sentry battle wasnt even a draw. Sentry was down and hulk was still up. And you said thor is getting stronger everytime? What about hulk didnt he have an upgrade? Immortal hulk, the one below all, titan hulk? Again just watch banner incredible hulk channel coz cates was not consistent with thor
Marvel has to stop with all these versions of hulk.
Why? How long can they tell the same damn story? Thor and Hulk both just do the same thing.
@@AmericaTheSimpleMinded it's why they are called writers... they are expected to be creative and come up with stories about these characters..
Agreed, this whole Hulk's Hulk is lazy. Hulk is already a complex being why add that??.
@@David_Scar They did. If you don’t like it that’s totally fine, but they actually made him interesting. How much creativity can coke from grunts and screams. “Hulk Smash” is his only character trait.
Doc Green isn’t as strong as Hulk but he’s actually got a character.
Stan Lee said Thor is stronger 💪 THAN Hulk...Thor knows how to hold back&The Hulk doesn't...Sooooooooooo alotta y'all IS wrong ON 2 accounts
I honestly didn't get that vibe that thor is stronger, I mean I got that thor is much stronger than fans give him credit for and that he is as top teir as they get. Hulk loosing an arm and taking a beating is nothing knew I mean that's what his body is built for the healing factor etc. I also felt hulk getting Thora powers was just so hulk wouldn't unleash his titan form and make things worse. I also think the bleed of titans powers affected thor also just like the people they though banner killed. Only definitive answer I got is hulk is a real problem and shouldn't be low balled. Hulk still has to much in the tank and didn't reach heart of the monster levels in this run nor did titan show up so I'm calling this a draw at best.
I feel like theres people that say thor not holding back would beat galactus or the beyonder, simply cause hes a god, i hate that logic because the only times thor could beat coamic entities was with a powerup, and even then thor is more raw power, not a reality warping universal, onipitent god
I have only one thing to say about Donny Cates' Hulk and Thor comics:
THIS IS THE MOST AWESOME THING I HAVE EVER SEEN!
Originally Thor was clearly more powerful than Hulk. The concept was strongest man vs strongest god. Even other Asgardians used to be super strong, such as when Loki was able to punch out the Silver Surfer
Yes more "powerful" not stronger... there's a difference between power and strength.
Power wise yes Thor is more powerful but strength wise Hulk is absolutely stronger.
@@David_Scar not originally. Check out those old comics where Thor would fight Hulk to a draw after having intentionally put the hammer aside.
Thor literally received power up directly from Hulk ( gamma explosion)- only a small portion of hulks power.
He benefited immensly. All the impressive stuff Thor did was an exhibition of HULKS strength.
Hulk powered down by weilding Mjolnir. No appreciable benefits of gaining Thors power.
Actually he had to power down by agreeing with Odin to hold Mjolnir or else Hulk would have destroyed everything (Titan Hulk) after killing Thor.
So hulked out Thor beating worthy Hulk is the same as Hulk beating Thor.
Here's my issue. If Thor's gamma radiation was removed could he still hulk out? We've seen Banner do it time & time again. Personally, I'm assuming this will have long-term implications on Thor's comics.
In the foreseeable future, I doubt it
No he can't matter of fact banner and Odin were literally trying to hold back titan hulk this fight proves absolutely nothing Thor said he held back everytime they fought which was obvious but that hulk back then was weaker
@@NMbones98 nope!!! thor>>>>>>>hulk cunt
I think pretty much every hulk story makes banner unique from all the others. Can still hulk out despite being depowered. Straight up over powers other hulks with a variety of abilities while holding back and the different personalities. The only reason why thulk is stronger or more powerful than base hulk is because of their origin and nature. If banner was Odin's son I doubt Thor would be able to beat him in any way shape or form
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From their inception, it was always supposed to be impressive that Hulk can fight Thor, and not that Thor can fight Hulk.
Plus, Thor has the totality of the Odinforce plus Mjolnir, plus Odin. Dear old dad could headbutt Galactus with little trouble.
Hulk is still stronger though, odin himself stated that hulk is more than a match for thor, and if were going by that logic a bannerless or enraged hulk overpowers thor
@@Sucmydack To be fair this is not world break a Hulk or devil hulk or Heart of the monster hulk We know that Bruce holds back the Hulk a lot so thors friends do not know the true power of the Hulk
It was quite literallly stated that Thor is far more powerful. hulk had the full power of Thor.Odin's magic from all the rel=ams and the world tree.
the only glaring issue is that Thor is gamma irradiated Id have to see the similar feats while in the madness without the gamma power for it to be conclusive to me
So what I’m hearing is that Thor needed to become a Hulk to defeat a hulk…meaning Thor as himself wasn’t quiet on par with the hulk…so Hulk is stronger.
Hulk also had the power of Thor & Mjolnir, and Thor still won💀
Its Hulked-Out Thor vs Thored-Out Hulk so no you're hearing wrong
@@el_padron_1795 Hulk being worthy isn’t as big of a jump as Thor becoming a gamma radiated rage monster
@@freshquinceoftheair8599 it is cuz Odin was assisting him it’s not just mjolnir but Odin force pumped mjolnir
I didn’t really enjoy that lol I don’t like how they keep decreasing the Hulk’s value in the MCU and in the comics. With Titan Hulk soon coming and Immortal Hulk we’ve seen before it’s clear the Hulk has immense and crazy power. Yet he still “loses” lol I just don’t get it
I think it’s goofy how they are trying to write Thor stronger than the Hulk now. I remember when the Hulk strength was base on how angry he got and that it was unlimited. Basically give him time to get angrier then he’s unstoppable now he’s losing battles to the Hulkbuster🤷🏽♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️…
Thor is a sky father. He is now more powerful and stronger than the Hulk.
How can anger be limitless
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Damn... they really did my boy like that
The fact that thor had to be hulked out to be stronger, I would not say hes stronger. Especially since banner never brought hulk to max power since instead he has a cap.
This fight is the most we cant tell out of them all. Since they both got their powers and both were not fighting as they would. Hulk was not able to go unlimited and thor was not allowed to use his experience.
The fact hulk needed mjolnir...
@@Destrudo5359 hulk was not fighting banner was, hulk was stuck in the engine room powering his body. Hulk is a much better fighter than banner. I know its weird but you have to think of them as separate people.
@@engibones5948 I do. An yet he still lost. An l is a L
@@engibones5948 if hulk was that strong he wouldn't need banner...
@@Destrudo5359 Lol false. Hulk unleashed 3000 gamma bombs onto Thor turning him into a hulk and leaving hulk Melancholy not even angry anymore, Hulk was handling both Thor Odin and Ironman all at the same time, he was fighting physically and mentally and Thor was getting bodied before the 3000 gamma bomb explosion hulk gave off. It was a 3v1 and Hulk still bodies them at only level 8 and even 10 wouldn’t be his max since in the most recent recent issue Titan pushes Hulk beyond that and becomes a being that would be unstoppable to anyone in the universe. Hulk was sipping Thor before calming himself down and getting trapped by Odin again, also besides that fact it was banner fighting not savage enraged Hulk which if it would have been Thor would’ve gotten wrecked. Thor being imbued with World breaker strength gave him the edge when hulk having miolnir didn’t just gave him a hammer lol. No definitive winner but at the end of it Hulk is immortal and backed by Marvels Devil The one above all and possesses infinite strength as the beyonder has stated. Hulk has no limit while Thor needs power ups constantly
So a lot of people will get mix feelings about this issue
I believe that Thor when he's done holding back, done trying to save people from themselves, he can beat almost anyone
We've seen Thor and Hulk battling out a lot, in one issue of Immortal Hulk, Hulk wrecked Thor and the other Avengers
In this particular issue BRB specifically said that Hulk never FOUGHT the real Thor, Thor when he doesn't hold anything back i partially agree
In the event of Fear Itself, Thor fought both Hulk and The thing who were both under Cull's influence, and Thor won
He send Hulk flying and made a hole through the Thing's chest
Now i know some will not agree with this, by saying that Hulk wasn"t himself, that may be true, but he was still making use of his anger, was more brutal and at any point saw Thor as someone trying to help him, at the very last moment Thor stopped seeing Hulk as Banner who is a friend, Thor knocked Hulk out
Let's not forget that Thor managed to beat the Silver Surfer by hitting him with Mjolnir which caused the destruction of a planet in which Thor came out unscratch
He knocked out Galactus, in recent event he even killed Galactus
He now has the full power of the Odin Force
I believe that Hulk can beat Thor as well, don't get me wrong, but overall, if both are serious about fighting, no restrictions, using all their powers and might, there's 70% chance that Thor would win
Srry, i meant around 50-6p% for Thor winning
It was established that Hulk is like the living embodiment of the One Below All or The One Above All, i don't really recall
But still, both Thor and Hulk are crazy powerful in their own way
I didn’t take anything that Thor was stronger then hulk from this issue. There are too many caveat is going on here. If anything I’m a little more confused about the power scaling between the two of these characters. I’ve always had the idea that Thor holds back in his battles and this is not the first comic I’ve read with this was alluded too. Him being able to rip the world tree out of the ground and dominate this battle is literally because he’s amped by the hulks rage and gamma power which if we’re gonna off of immortal hulk is directly linked to the one below/one above all. I think that is a bigger power boost then hulk being enchanted by the hammer. This battle could’ve been done better.
i agree
I completely agree
I mean Hulk isn't the only gamma mutate there's plenty connected to TOBA and other hulks across the multiverse, So the origin of his power doesn't change anything.
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 yea, true I agree that he is not the only gamma mutated that has links or connections to the one above all/one below all but I did assume that The Hulk was the main herald. Similar to how there are multiple herald to Galactus but it’s kind of almost a foregone conclusion that Silver Surfer is the main one and in most cases depending on the story he is the strongest one due to the amount of power that is distributed to him. Is it not the same thing between the hulk and the one above all? We’ve been shown multiple times even in the immortal hulk run that the hulk is the strongest gamma mutate. When writing something like this detail to character lore and origin should count for something. The first half of the battle went well but the conclusion seems like an ass push because it only makes things more confusing lol Granted this is the same guy who literally forgot that the sentry was supposed to be merged sentry with a significant power boost when writing King in black.
Loved the whole thing . Please make the newer hulk series videos when ever they come . Your work is amazing
thor was created because someone had to be more stronger than hulk.
This, someone who actually knows. Most Hulk fanboys forget this lol
Yet the same person who made that statement(stan lee) also said the fight could still go either way... Heck this was how Stan lee described both characters "Hulk is physically stronger while Thor is Mightier"...
Thor himself has literally stated that Hulk is stronger than him.
Keep in mind power and strength are two different things.
Thor is not stronger than the Hulk, he just got gamma blasted and got Hulked up. Also, this isn’t even Hulks strongest form.
loving this comic run
on an unrelated note:
Are you guys going to be covering the Dark Knights of Steel latest issues?
Can you do history of Odin, Heimdall, Lady Sif, the Warrior Three, Balder the Brave, Angela, Brunnhilde Valkyrie and Skurge the Executioner along with the Thor Villains like the Destroyer, Malekith the Accursed, Hela the Goddess of Death, Surtur, the Roxxon_Minotaur, Mongoose, Bloodaxe, Ulik, Kurse, Amora the Enchantress and Mangog?
thor + odin force +cosmic power + hulk power vs hulk with mjolnir but hold back
Donny Cates going back to that old Stan Lee material in where Stan says the following…
“I would have to say Thor, because strong as Hulk is, he's still a mortal, but Thor is one of the Norse gods,” Lee said.
And as the original creator of both these characters in the Marvel Comics, I’m going to agree with what Donny did here.
Soooo no they didn’t make Thor stronger. Did u forget that the Titan Hulk never came out during that fight? And Bruce didn’t crank Hulk’s level all the way up
Thor always could deafen “Thor” because Stan Lee said so!😀
I don't agree with the assumption that Thor was more powerful in this fight. Thor almost dies fighting Hulk for all those years as it was because he was holding back? Yeah no. He didn't go Worldbreaker, or Titan, Banner never increased the rage meter in Hulk's mind, ripping an arm off after reading Immortal Hulk is nothing at all to Hulk, etc. etc..
About time respect is shown for Thor. Although I would have loved to see if he faced WW Hulk how that would end
You mean he wasn't already? Wasn't the creation of Thor driven by the desire to have a hero who is even stronger than Hulk?
I'm going to respectfully disagree with the idea that Thor is stronger than Hulk because of:
A) Immortal Hulk established Hulk is the living embodiment of The One Above All's rage. There is no limit to his strength that he has not yet surpassed. In this story Thor was imbued with Hulk gamma energy, which radiates from The One Below All aka One Above All.
B) Heart of the Monster Hulk established that version was the strongest there is. Free from restraint, the same things Beta Ray Bill said of Thor would apply to HOTM Hulk.
This is not taking into account what the plan is for Titan Hulk.
Thats not true. Nothing in the whole Immortal Hulk run says Hulk has the "Rage or Strength" of TOAA/TOBA. He said Hulk is his counterweight to break. Pretty much what Galactus is. A being created for disorder. To break or destroy. Nothing more
There is no limit to his strength WHEN he can build up infinite rage which needs infinite time which is literally a concept that makes no sense. Cause no fight will ever put him in the position where he build up "infinite strength". So he either gets defeated. Or Hulk just wins before he can even build up the strength to defeat his enemys.
And that Thor had Hulks Gamma tells us what? The main reason Thor was so powerful is that the rage (and stupidness) of being a Hulk made him stop holding back.
Hulk himself had the bigger powerboost with Thor powers+Mjölnir+Odins help.
Thor just had Hulks Gamma and lost Mjölnir on top. Hulk had everything
Bro this is exactly what I was thinking when they said this he was literally just crown the strength of the one above all and the fact that it took for Thor to have the hulk power to be stronger makes no sense this story and ending was fucking dumb
@@stan1045 your wrong yes it does so go read or do your research in that immortal hulk story toward the end the explain the hulks power comes from the one above all he is the strength of the one above all
@@youngsexymalik14 I do know every line TOAA said in the comic. Dont lie.
Link proof and dont take things out of context
@@stan1045 TOAA literally told him this at the end of the story after Joe Fixit called him out for being cryptic in his answers, as he never answers directly. You have to use inference to connect the dots. Him being a counterweight is him being the embodiment of destruction against creation. He also said he is necessary, which would explain why Hulk can't die. He is not like Galactus, who exists to keep the Celestial numbers down. And now if his sole purpose is destruction, and powered by TOBA, you would have to cook the books with a scenario where Thor beats Hulk, much less can kill him.
There is no limit to his strength. Full stop. It grows in proportion to his rage, which is already infinite. He doesn't need infinite time, just sufficient provocation. Once he reaches a limit, it's easy for him to ramp up to the previous level. Example: Worldbreaker Hulk part 2 before he went HOTM, which is what would happen if Hulk were to build up infinite strength. An example of infinite strength Hulk: Cosmic Hulk used by TOBA.
Thor having Hulk's gamma and "beating" the Hulk without Mjolnir is a further testament to Hulk's powers, not Thor's. If anything Hulk actually lost power because he created a gamma explosion to free himself of Mjolnir. This battle does not definitely answer the question of who is stronger. This all conditional. Give me Rune King or Herald King Thor vs. HOTM or Cosmic Hulk in an actual fight to the death then we can have a conversation.
That is still making no sense to me that Thor can now channel the gamma-ray oriented power of the One-Below-All and having no problem with that.
Thor was effectively given the Odinforce in Thor3. Which allowed him to batter Hulk on Sakaar. since then Hulk has become the least powerful green Hulk and it seem they are continuing his emasculation.
Tbh, thor has always been more powerful than the hulk, and he should be. Tbh like, superman thor has more feats than anybody in marvel, including Hulk. I can argue thor has just as impressive feats as the hulk, if not better. I do think when it comes to the strength that hulk should have the edge, but honestly, there is no limit on the strength as well
Sidebar: Thor has to become a Hulk to defeat The Hulk..... lol!! I'm sticking with Banner on this one for my own personal reasons. And I believe some people might understand why.
And they did it on Hulks comic rather then Thors
Looks like Thor not only had Hulk rage but his power too added to his own. Sooooo... Looks like he was cheating. Lol.
but wasn't thor essentially a hulk also, not actually thor the OG? I mean the power of "the hulk" is that he is a hulk no? With that comes amped physical prowess in all areas, so doesn't that add ontop thor's godliness?
Honest question
Lies! Arris is in space fighting Thor
Why are these writers ruining tye Hulk. He ate wolverine and then wolverine burst out of hilk killing him. Now Thor beating the hulk when its been stated Hulk is the strongest and live longer than all of them. I dont even read Hulk comics anymore since they are destroying him even in the avengers. They should just leave him alone as it is.
Hulk being the strongest is what I grew up upon. I’m a huge fan; and will always be.
aside from superman ( i am humble enough to admit it) HULK IS STILL THE STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!! this fight proves nothing except that the writer is opinionated and ignorant of THE HISTORY OF THE INCREDIBLE HULK! all we need is a writer who is practical and fun and willing to give the hulk the respect he deserves even if he loses labeled as the STRONGEST one there is (PHYSICALLY) while thor is healed as the more "POWERFUL" (MYSTICALLY), i can live with that, but the ending of banner of war was straight bull$#@t!! inconclusive to say the least, SO until we get a practical and explosive writer like greg pak to go all out with both of them at their most explosive, breaking mountains, worlds, and shaking galaxies to their universal core before a winner emerges, mark this fight aa INCONCLUSIVE, like word up and be blessed 😎👑
#IncredibleHulkForever
#TheStrongestOneThereIs
Honestly Marvel will not write certain characters correctly. The creator of Thor said himself he made Thor to be stronger than Hulk because he is a god and hulk is just a human at the end of the day. But the issue is you give these impossible accomplishments to hulks when basically all his power comes from super strength. And to be lazy you say oh he gets stronger the angrier he gets. Like okay sure that explains how hulk beats beings that should be able to flick him away. But Thor especially classic Thor has way more powers than just super strength and someone explain to me why you only know Thor for a occasional lightning strike. Throwing a hammer or throwing hands. But magic use? No. Dimensional portals? Nope. He the son of Gaeaso using that earth based power set? Nope. It’s like the creators forget the source material of Thor and other types of characters and say let’s just make him a hammer time man. While at one point in the 2000 to 2010 year decade they have hulk one movie after another in animation and hulk was portrayed as the strongest and I still have issue with that. If you give them all the power sets we have seen Thor should literally be able to teleport hulk out of existence or into a black hole or something but like Odin said. Thor doesn’t use the force he has for anything that it can be used for. It’s like having s bunch of tools but you only use the hammer
rune king thor vs world breaker hulk would be totally mind-blowing
Thor one shots that version
This Thor is alr stronger then rkt
@@too_official6194 not really. Hard to day. RkT could alter reality with a thought. This version is All-Father Thor with full on warrior madness and a bit of a bump from gamma radiation. Unreal power in strength, but not the universe-wide reality warping.
@@mitchcowan1446 have u not read recent comics u obviously haven’t gos Loki is stronger then rune king Thor he literally has the powers of the writers themselves some say he is the writer he was getting folded by Donald Blake n couldn’t do shit shit to him this is insane bc this same Loki was easily above RKT n current Thor comes in and bodiedS Donald Blake easily something that gos Loki couldn’t do
@@mitchcowan1446 so before u try to sound smart actually read comics fistt current Thor is the strongest he’s been RKT
*Until they fight again in the next writer's story.
Absolutely BS. This isn't natural Thor but one powered with Hulk's powers. This only shows that Hulk is still superior as Thor couldn't beat him with his regular Thor powers so the Hulk power gave him a greater boost. Doesn't prove anything. Had this been a Thor, not Hulked up but actually Thor going into some Thor Rage Mode or something, then I could've bought into the whole "held back for hundreds of years" BS. Regardless of the explanation, I hate this.
Bwahahaha...I love seeing Hulk Fanboys whine. Clearly you don't know Thor. The gamma unleashed his Warriors Madness. Thor has always held back lol. Stan Lee himself said this and that Thor was meant to be a check for Hulk. Deal with it. Oh....here's your rattle lol
I don't even see how this counts.
This is basically just 2 new characters.
It makes sense Thor is supposed to be a God and hulk is a genetically modified being.
Aliens not Gods
Hulk is the God of marvel’s Anger
Actually banner is human and hulk is technically a god/demi god since he is a host specifically for the one below all/one above all who is actual god lol.
Banner vs Thor is what happened
Hulk isn’t genetically modified.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Hulk draw his power directly from TOAA
yes and thank you fine sir!!! marvel is inconsistent and the only version of the hulk donny cates cares about is his own, i ain't beat, for to me HULK IS STILL THE PHYSICALLY STRONGEST ONE THERE IS, even if he loses in a fight to thor, after all, MORE POWERFUL (thor) does NOT mean the same thing as being PHYSICALLY STRONGER (hulk), so hulk is still the strongest one there is to me, like long live the incredible hulk! 😎
What doesn’t make sense is Marvel has always said that Hulks upper limits are immeasurable. I realize Thor is a God but it makes no sense to there is no limit to his strength but then flat out say that Thor has always been more powerful because he’s held back. Need we forget that Thor has lost to villains before that he had no reason to restrain himself. Are we to believe that Thor has always held back over his millennia+ long life?
Yup. If you read Thor comics you would understand. And full measure of power is not JUST strength lol
@@mitchcowan1446 yea.
@@mitchcowan1446 I’ve been reading Thor comics for decades and I can’t think of many times he’s held back when fighting villains. There are countless examples of him fighting heroes and showing restraint, but I can’t think of any villains off the top. Also in this instance they are talking about physical strength, hence why Uatu refers to Hulk as “Strongest one their is, Worldbreaker…” they are framing Hulk as being known as the strongest.
Ok no Thor is more powerful than Bruce Banner Hulk not Hulk Hulk there is a huge difference and of course Hulk isn’t going to win against a hulked out Thor even if Hulk can “use” Thor’s hammer he wouldn’t be able to use its full power since it’s not his also Thor is already naturally strong without being a Hulk so of course he wins but honestly is we saw full power Rage mode Hulk vs Regular Thor not holding back this is a completely different story!!!!! So no this doesn’t prove Thor is stronger than Hulk just because Thor was holding back before.
About time
The whole point of most of their fights is ambiguity. Occasionally one has scored a "win" over the other, but even here it's mostly just a vehicle for Thor and Hulk to understand each other and their power. No real winner or loser.
A real all out slugfest would most assuredly threaten the planet.
Sure give the biggest Thor fanboy to write who would win between hulk and Thor story. And expect the outcome to be not biased. Hulk was literally being held back by the author during this whole fight his rage wasn’t utilised once now even his Titan form. Not too mention donny cade is literally handing out Thor big wins in every chapter
Awwww another butthurt Hulk fanboy. Make all the rationalization you want, but thems the facts. Maybe do some research and see that Stan Lee created Thor to stop the Hulk from time to time. He states why Thor is stronger, but yeah, depending on the arc and the writers, anything can be changed. Don't be too upset. Thor fans have dealt with the indignity shown to Thor for a few decades now
@@mitchcowan1446 aww I’m sorry that my comments crushed your little spirit little kiddo but facts doesn’t care about your feelings you can cry in a corner about it kid Stanley is long dead what he said back in the 60s doesn’t apply anymore sorry boo boo
@@mitchcowan1446 "But thems the fact" how is it a fact? You yourself literally state that "yeah depending on the arc and writer"... Also going by who wrote this story it's pretty clear to see that there indeed was a bias... Cates is more incline with Thor so of course he'll make Thor look more impressive...
Want me to give you a fact?? Thor himself has literally said that Hulk is indeed stronger than him... if you need scans let me know.
The comments say it all, this wasn't a clear answer of Thor vs. Hulk. It was a Gama powered Thor vs. a Banner controlled Hulk, hardly a good comparison. I say bring out World Breaker Hulk or this Hulk Titan!
thor has been stronger for awhile
This the same Thor that tried to kill Immortal hulk and nearly got suffocated to death? Trying to kill someone isn't holding back and immortal hulk isn't even that strong by hulk standards and Thor almost got killed. I'm literally a Thor fan, he's my favorite Marvel character and I don't even like this writing. It's not been in connection to any of the writing thus far but again whatever 🙄 ruclips.net/video/v_ih9-IZiGM/видео.html
@@jameswalker4291 that was bass Thor he’s gotten hella power ups since then he has. The Odin force n the power cosmic
@@too_official6194 yeah but Hulk has multiple personalities each one stronger devil Hulk, guilty Hulk, mindless Hulk who once almost killed everyone
@@jameswalker4291 That was just Cap saying that. Thor flies in the vaccum of space. Puleeez stop with the sifficating thing lol.
Who else is happy to hear that Arris is on vacation.
I hope he's having a blast. My mental health could not have survived the pandemic without him. As such, I hope he has nothing but the best life ever, he deserves it
I liked this comic, but I do not agree with Donny's statement that Thor always holds back in his fights with the Hulk. Reason being is because Professor Hulk was able to defeat Warriors Madness Thor (bloodlusted Thor with a x10 multiplier). Plus it was stated by Banner that when the Hulk was free from the Engine Room, he wasn't aware that he was free and still assumed he was still in the Engine Room. It's because of this and his rage and power increasing made the Hulk become World Breaker Hulk and started wrecking havoc on both All Father Thor and the Iron-Celestial. If it wasn't for Odin, Hulk would have killed both Thor and Iron-Man. When Thor became World Breaker Thor, Banner stated to Odin that if the TITAN emerged, he would have ended it all completely. Which means killing World Breaker Thor and Tony. So for Donny Cates to say that Thor is stronger and has always held back against the Hulk is completely wrong in my opinion. In my opinion, without any the 3rd party power ups/interference/wacky plot whatever, if it were just simply a fight between the Hulk and Thor to the death, Hulk would be the winner because of his limitless power, his very advanced healing factor and his ability to come back life through the Green Door would insure his victory against Thor and killing him in brutal fashion. Now look I love both characters, but after reading Al Ewing's Immortal Hulk, I just don't see Thor surviving against the Hulk in a battle to the death.
Thor is more popular so he wins according to the writers. People get REALLY pissed when Thor doesn’t win. I think he’s kinda boring.
Awww so sorry your Hulky didn't win this one. Get over it lol
You can't go by Banner saying he would've won if he was Titan, he's a character in the story. Thor would always say he would beat Hulk. Are we gonna believe Thor because he said it? Hell, Stan Lee stated that Thor is stronger than Hulk.
You're forgetting one major thing that defeats this entire paragraph:
*Writers are inconsistent*
I hope now people can understand when people say Superman always holds back
But Thor was only more powerful when fueled by the hulk so in turn Thor isn’t more powerful 🤷🏻♂️
Nope
Hulk has mjolnir
And thats makes him thor
Thor needs to be a hulk to beat hulk, hulk doesn’t need Mjölnir to beat Thor
@@saranotini6240 nope
For the last time, thor is not stronger, the hulk constantly holds back to, and odin stated he was holding back in a way to, since he wasn’t using miojnir at its fullest, not to mention thor was gamma boosted, this is no answer to the question, at the very least its vert open to interpretation, and are we forgetting hulk can absorb gamma radiation at will from other gamma mutates, he couldve ended the fight whenever he wanted
So an amped Thor is stronger than a watered down Hulk 🤯🤯
They were both amped hulk not only had his powers but he had thors
@@too_official6194 it was banner fighting him with the body of the hulk though
@@too_official6194 Its a nerfed Hulk. He never got any stronger due to Banner not allowing him to express his full rage or whatever the reason was i forgot. They took away his hack. Hulk is much like Superman (minus kryptonite effects) or Saitama meaning in reality they should never lose to anyone based on how the character is written.
@@BornCrowned_ This
@@NMbones98 he still was amped way beyond his normal self
But it wasn't Hulk only "spaceship Hulk." Also regardless what Beta Rays dialogue was, the last blow neutralized both and bought them to a stalemate yet again. Just saying.
I love the idea of thor being stronger than the hulk but holding back thor is freaking thor a god while banner is mortal now hulk in the one below all form different story but now that thor has access to that power a god with that power vs a mortal with that power is not the same
How is Hulk mortal? Didn't Thor put the Hammer on Hulk's chest expecting him to give up and hulk just got up tearing a hole in his chest? Also Hulk was said to hold back long before this.
He's never been mortal. At the beginning of starship hulk banner stated he was immortal
That was one epic showdown and end to that chapter. I can't wait to see what happens next
Hulk fan boys are already crying and pissing in there pants lmao.
u going hard in the paint for a fictional character
Not really thor beat banner using hulk's body
@@_Tgzzz_ need a tissue? Lol
Not really, anyone who actually understood this fight can see that this was Thor vs Banner not Thor vs Hulk.... This was all Banner not the Hulk,Banner and Odin were the voice of reason while Thor was the raging monster.... Banner didn't even increase the anger level.
@@David_Scar they don't get
Do you guys have any variant merch like hats or hoodies?
Nope he just beat one of the many versions of hulk Idc🤷🏼♂️
Poor Hulk fanboys /sniff
@@mitchcowan1446 you must be a Thor fanboy?🤨 Replying to every one of these comments
Out of all the battles between the two, this made me the happiest. Yah know what doesn't make me happy, Marvel continuously releasing #1 issues and not showing the legacy numbering. Is Immortal Thor actually just Thor 762 nobody understands my OCD rage
I'm glad to see this happen honestly.
Too many properties keep trying to one up each other in how many or how Powerful the Gods they kill.
Its been too long since comics actually let the Gods in their worlds be Gods and its especially gratifying to hear Thor has been holding back all this time.
Because it makes sense, when Thor first appeared in Marvel Comics he was mostly just supposed to be Thor of mythology.
The twist was he was banished to Earth to learn lessons in humanity and restraint, as well as to see Odin confirm there is more to Mjolnir than that stupid Worthiness enchantment.
This is the Thor I have been wanting to see for years now, the Thor who faught off Old Age with nothing but Brute force.
The Thor whose hammer wasn't just "Only the worthy may lift" but that it was so immensely powerful that only Thor or someone of his caliber could use it without being utterly vaporized.
Mmmm meh most of the times Hulk has won a battler against Thor, it's was dream or Thor was straight out no trying to fight Hulk. When he as fought him, Thor is always in complete control, in on comic book Thor was moving Hulk to safer locations so they can fight without harming everyone on earth. Thor has also outright beat Hulk easily multiple times. Thor wins lol
I certainly rolled my eyes at Bill's "holding back" dialogue. The Hulk is *The Strongest There Is.* That's been his thing since forever. They can add and retcon as many pretenders as possible. But the _next_ writer will always make Hulk do something to retain his title.
Got any more of that copium?
@@pabben03 got any money? No cause a job is out of the question for you and marvel is your soul
@@Sucmydack Wow great comeback that made zero sense lmao
@@pabben03 It’s called fact. Based on the Hulk’s history within Marvel Comics. Sentry, empowering Thor etc these are only ever temporary big deals.
I think Bill was implying his power not his strength and what do you mean by "add and retcon"?
I kinda hope they bring Hulked out Thor back in some way, cuz I love that he’s basically a reality buster through Gamma Powered God strength
Finally
First the Movie's now the Comics. Someone Make the Hulk as the HULK.
Thor has been stronger for a longtime now....
Facts like come on this is Nothing new.