The problems of pure intellectual reasoning (idealism or subjectiveness) often fallen into pure fallacies or wrong hypothesis. Evidences based researches (objectiveness) always beat any pure rational reasoning conclusion. As believer of carnivore diet after 5 years, I got heart attack at end even without any family history of heart diseases. The condition is so bad that no bypass or stent can be performed. I have to follow Dr. Dean Ornish and Dr. Esselstyn heart disease diet which are pure plant based diets. So far so good, all measurements become normal; no more chest pain. Evidence based medicine is essential.
I give up! For the past couple of years I have travelled down the rabbit hole of metabolic health and longevity, and for every “experts” advice or opinion I have listened to, I can show you an equally educated “expert” saying the exact opposite!
I have landed on that the researcher naked Gil, who runs the YT channel called 'Nutrition Made Simple' is the safest bet. He looks at all the research for one given aspect of diet or health, and breaks it down. He also explains how to look at research in a meaningful way. He also has healthcare professionals on his show to talk about various subjects. Plus debunks various sources who spread misleading information. Many people use skewed papers, with cherry picked data, with poor testing methods, which ultimately delivers poor results or completely false representation of the facts. Dr. Berg has for instance been viewed objectively by Gil and had been observed to represent data poorly at times. As he didn't take the time to truly dig deep enough into what he presented. We preferably want to look at quality data, which is repeatable, preferably with RCT Meta analysis, though other quality studies count too. With as many different demographics, ages, and as long time spans as possible. The collective sum of it all allows us to make conclusions. It should never be done in isolation, based on one paper. This is not me trying to talk bad about anyone specifically, but more about highlighting that we need to be careful with who we listen to when we don't have the knowledge, experience and understanding to truly know what is right or wrong in a given context. Especially one so polarised, complex and important as our health. I highly recommend Gil's work. That said! Whole food, plant based, some animal protein and a wide variety of foods is definitely what's the most healthy. Though we all have specific ratios for fat, protein, carb and nutritional / biological differences. So figuring that out is the difficult part. Sometimes testing to find genes can be very helpful.
You give up???......Good!!....thats probably the best thing to happen to you!!. I just use a bit of common sense now. I'm 61 and I was at deaths door as an obese 53 year old. I had a heart attack and open heart surgery. The three most important things that I've done in my life since my operation and in this order was 1) I looked after my mental health, 2) I try and cut out processed junk food, 3) I move daily. Knock yourself out on what way you want to go about that.....there is not just one path up the mountain....choose one that makes commom sense to you.....here's what my path look like...... I'm what is called by some people a "flexitarian" although I don't like using labels. What that looks like is that i'm predominatley plant based with a little animal protein thrown in here and there. It's probably impossibe to eliminate all process junk food but I try and limit that to anywhere from near zero to around 5%. I eat the animal protein in moderation too and no more than once a day unlike most people who use it in every meal. I eat mostly green leaves, green veg, coloured veg, fruits, legumes, nuts seeds in combination with the animal products. I toss kettlebells for 30 minutes for about 3 times a week. I get about 7-10k steps up everyday, so im not sedatery. Sometimes I light jog and cycle. That's me done!! I hand the rest to a higher power and get on and try and live my day in a state of contentment. I don't waste endless amount of time and energy worrying or in fear of death. Mental health looks similar in percentages. I watch out for anger, worry, jealously, self pity, depressive thoughts and when they do surface (which they will), I deal with them and get over them quickly and put things right if I offended anyone. With years of practice this becomes like zero to 5% too, so I stay prodominately in a happy and contented place despite whats going on around me. This contentment is an inside job and not dependent on people, objects, activities or events. I also don't get caught up in the Keto v Vegan or foodcamps bullcrap or the the exercise camps bullshit either. I've picked my poison on how to eat and exercise and it sits right with me and makes sense. Live and let live.
@@kevanriley2998 Thank you too, Kevan. If my experiences have helped just one person to find their own way....then job done for me and i have received my dose of goodness too. Another important thing is to realise is that what you give away....you get back tenfold. If you give away help....you receive help tenfold. If you give away joy....you receive joy tenfold.....but be careful, if we give anger...we get that back tenfold too.😉😁
@@M-su4mh Yeah people don't realize how fragile it is, but I think a lot of people (myself included) became much more aware during the lockdowns. Supply chains get disrupted and suddenly store shelves are *empty* , and you realize you could get starved out within weeks if you're not careful. Vegetable gardening and hunting are both good skills to have in your back pocket in an emergency, to make you less vulnerable to supply disruptions.
yes this is almost like the "as long as you do some minimum level of exercise weekly, you lower all cause mortality by like 400%" which I believe Attia also mentioned on a Huberman podcast. the greatest benefits can come from some of the simplest lifestyle changes. sorry everyone I don't remember what that magical amount was because was already significantly exceeding it. now you have to go listen to the podcast. you'll thank me!
Exactly compared to the standard American diet, you would be far above average. No need to worry about going vegan or keto, a mix of meat fruit veg dairy eggs nuts and eliminating ultra processed foods I.e biscuits sweets chocolate crisps ice cream bad oils cheap oven foods. You will be healthier than a nut.
The problems of pure intellectual reasoning (idealism or subjectiveness) often fallen into pure fallacies or wrong hypothesis. Evidences based researches (objectiveness) always beat any pure rational reasoning conclusion. As believer of carnivore diet after 5 years, I got heart attack at end even without any family history of heart diseases. The condition is so bad that no bypass or stent can be performed. I have to follow Dr. Dean Ornish and Dr. Esselstyn heart disease diet which are pure plant based diets. So far so good, all measurements become normal; no more chest pain. Evidence based medicine is essential.
If most people eat a little bit of everything especially meat fruits and vegetables and exercise once in a while they should be good the problem is that most people eat processed foods and junk food and rarely Exercise
Agreed. Sticking to whole foods is best and the best way to avoid this for me has been to never have junk food in my kitchen. If I crave a bag of chips I'll go out to the convenience store and buy a small bag. Happens like a few times a month -- chips are my weakness. Sweets I can avoid much easier
Very well said. I still eat meat but usually just once a month or sometimes every few months( the same way that I'll eat junk food once a month or drink carbonated and sugary drinks every few months) and I also exercise. I lost a lot of weight and not regaining it and not going back to how I used to be(fat) is important to me.
@@JR-ju3kjso do follow Attila’s advice on how much protein the body needs? if so, how are you getting this much protein, complete protein, by not eating very much meat?
This is such a fascinating conversation as someone that has been doing IF for a few months now. I initially lost a good chunk of weight, but have since hit a wall with that. 16:8 basically just is maintenance at this point, and even going to 18:6 I'm not really seeing a difference. I am now also doing weight training as well to build more muscle mass. I am considering simply going back to a more normal eating schedule and taking in a higher protein diet in the morning. The thing I like the most about IF from a habitual or behavioral standpoint is the forced discipline (and yes, I know I don't need IF to do this, I should do it anyways, but it's a mindset). I know that when my wife and I are sitting on the couch before bed and she says "I'm hungry", I just say, ok, go eat something, because I'm not going to. It has forced me to be disciplined about cutting out unnecessary snacking. Just that aspect alone has been worth its weight in gold.
Isn't that IF is not really for losing weight but more of a recovery tool. Eating less or choosing the right foods will make you lose weight and exercise builds physical attributes. All though indirectly mental health
when youre sick of the next big thing or trial, try this one. Especially if you are trying to get lean and maintain muscle. Try hitting 300 grams protein daily. Lean protein. shakes, chicken breast, very lean beef, fish. Holy moly. I drop weight like im having limbs cut off. I am Constantly full to the point i dont want my next meal and I retain all my strength. Only problem is, it is not maintainable for over two weeks. Just gets so tiring. And I know someone is going to say thats too much protein and I know someone is going to say but you dont know how much this person weighs! and I just dont care. It really is a fantastic way to see what happens to your body when you smash protein daily without listening to all the studies. And guess what, its fantastic. Let yourself be your own test subject occassionally and guess what.....Sometimes you will laugh at studies and their results because you now know what happens when you are the subject. I had seen studies saying more protein more fatloss and more muscle gain and then i saw the trendy wave of "oh no one needs that much protein" and so i tried it myself. It worked for me. at least tryin 5 meals of 50 grams lean protein thats 250
Erm no shit you arnt going to lose weight if you dont cut your calories no matter how much you shorten your eating window thats not how the body works. In the long term IF is not about weight loss or weight gain its an eating schedule not a diet. Ive been on some form of IF for basically 10 years ive bulked and cutted on it. Its about how you feel being on an empty stomach, what it does for your health and attitude and a myriad of other things. The fact its turned into some weight loss fad diet thing is bizarre because people lose weight by abusing the fact you cant stuff your face so you end up eating less in a 6 hour period is not what its about.
@@maxpowers4436 I get it that this is RUclips and you feel totally comfortable talking to me like an asshole because you don't know me, but calm down. Did I say I wasn't cutting calories either? I'm not trying to cram 3 meals into a smaller eating window. That's not what I said. My point is when I started doing IF I dropped like 20 pounds in 2-3 months. It helped me change bad habits. As I've gotten down to a healthier weight, I've realized that I won't just continue to shed weight by just changing my eating window (to your point). I'm now working out really hard, and changing my diet beyond just shortening my eating window. Higher protein, reducing processed foods, getting clean, cutting out alcohol as much as possible, etc.
Great discussion! I found that calorie restriction throughout the day is far easier to maintain muscle mass while still becoming leaner over the months.
As a time restrictive eater, I get in 225 grams of protein through whole food in three meals. It can be easily done through eggs, ground beef, steak or salmon. I also enjoy my fruit and nuts.
After listening to Dr. Attia and many well educated individuals when speaking about mTOR I am inclined to believe that it all comes back to insulin. As long as a person is insulin sensitive they are most likely not going to have constantly stimulated mTOR. As always thank you Chris for the insightful questions.
Yeah, I think all the problems they've blamed on meat is just the Buns/sauces full of HFCS,sugar,and oxidized seed oils which all worsen insulin resistance significantly. Plenty of tribes that eat mostly red meat and cook over fires and whatnot surely burning it sometimes and yet they don't have any diseases such as heart disease and diabetes.
TRE has multiple documented benefits over over other methods of calorie restriction: 1. Results in lower levels of insulin in the body, which reduces hunger, making any form of calorie restriction easier 2. There is higher compliance with TRE as a form of caloric restriction than with other forms of caloric restriction 3. TRE trains the body to control cravings. People who do TRE and periodic fasting become in much higher control of their food choices and cravings
I have lived my entire adult life doing intermittent fasting. It happened naturally because of laziness when it comes to food. Never eaten breakfast and have always consolidated all my calories during a short period during the evening. My diet has been consisting of mostly meat. I have also been physically active my entire life and have easily put on and maintained muscle mass with this lifestyle. In my mind, agriculture is a relatively new thing. Before that, people mainly consumed animals. Our ancestors did not have access to food constantly, so feeding windows were sparse. It seems to me that meat and intermittent fasting is a natural way of living. It makes sense to me.
@@joeberrouard3743 what do you think ? my grandparents couldn't afford much meant nor my parents. Now we have people eating meat 3 x a day and it's often loaded with salt and preservatives
He was talking about 2 million years ago until 15.000 years ago. That's the time frame where we were scavengers and hunters, getting berries and honey where we could get it. Plants, tubers was the fall back scenario in times of starvation. Some 15.000 to 10.000 years ago we started agriculture. I think he was talking about times before that..
Chris I'm curious why you had such a hard time getting and staying fit with IF? For me it was the opposite. It was after starting to try IF around 2011 that I found it was MUCH easier to get and stay fit. And I'm a men's physique competitor so we're not talking fit like some cardio dominated sport like cycling. And I want to push back slightly on what Dr Attia said about clinical trails and benefits of time restriction. Sure, he might not see any apparent evidence in trials, but I'd like to add an anecdotal experience. Once I started IF, I noticed a significant night and day difference: * I was much less sick * I stopped getting drowsy and low energy before lunch like I had been my whole life when I used to eat breakfast. So my point is that it had very nice benefits for me personally, apart from helping to restrict calories.
IF works for some people and not for others, depending on job, lifestyle, kids, type of exercise you're trying to perform etc. etc. I believe IF is good for body-building but I don't think it works as well for say an ironman event or crossfit. I never get why ppl get so defensive about the type of diet they are on, not saying you are but some ppl get super offended if someone says anything bad about a specific diet, I've tried them all and have been doing IF 6 days a week for about 18 months, I like the feeling of being full at the end of the day and it helps me stop snacking at night after 7, that's basically the only difference for me, energy levels are the same, I feel and look slightly better again because I'm not snacking as much, but that's it, it works for me.
Summary of the Video: The video features a discussion on the role of meat consumption, protein intake, and the activation of the mTOR (mechanistic target of rapamycin) pathway in health and aging. The speakers address a current movement that demonizes meat consumption due to concerns about activating the mTOR pathway, which, when chronically activated, is associated with aging and certain diseases. They clarify that there is a significant difference between chronic and acute activation of mTOR. Acute activation is necessary for anabolic processes like muscle synthesis. Essential amino acids found in meat-such as leucine, lysine, and methionine-play a crucial role in this process, with leucine being a key activator of mTOR. The speakers argue that intentionally limiting amino acid intake to suppress mTOR activity can lead to sarcopenia (loss of muscle mass) as we age. They also discuss intermittent fasting and time-restricted feeding, noting that while these practices can reduce caloric intake, they might inadvertently reduce protein intake, which is essential for maintaining muscle mass. The importance of balancing protein consumption with fasting periods is emphasized to optimize health outcomes. Is Eating Meat Healthy? Based on the perspectives shared in the video, eating meat is considered healthy when consumed in appropriate quantities. Meat provides essential amino acids that are vital for activating the mTOR pathway acutely, supporting muscle growth, and preventing muscle loss as we age. The speakers suggest that while chronic activation of mTOR can be harmful, acute activation through regular protein intake is beneficial. They caution against the excessive restriction of amino acids (by avoiding meat) to suppress mTOR activity, as this may lead to negative health consequences like sarcopenia. Therefore, according to the discussion, incorporating meat into one's diet can be a healthy choice for maintaining muscle mass and supporting overall metabolic health.
Love Dr. Attia. But in one breath he says "I don't eat 14 hours a day so I don't worry about MTOR" Also Dr Attia "Intermittent fasting has no benefit beyond calorie restriction"
What you have to understand about Attia is that he is addressing the topic of health span from a doctor's perspective, which means he is considering a variety of research and the feasibility of implementation in general and sick populations. People with strong bodies live longer, which requires regular exercise and protein consumption. People who avoid the deadliest diseases live longer, which requires understanding the pathophysiology of each disease and the feasibility of intervention implementation.
At 5:30, Attia says "We're not seeing any difference" of time restricted eating of 2000 calories over eating 2000 calories throughout the day. I just can't believe this.
@@Capt.Tony00 16 off/ 8 on isn’t enough to meaningfully stimulate autophagy. You’d also see huge glucose and insulin spikes when you’re actually eating.
There has been proven time and time again by different researchers that for autophagy (the actual cellular repair and cleaning) we need 36 hours of fasting or more. Everything less just restricts the calories intake.
Yes, but his outright claim that eating 2000 calories in a 4 hour window, is no different than eating 2000 calories in an 18 hour window, is flat out incorrect.
This discussion really made me think about the balance between intermittent fasting and maintaining muscle mass. It's intriguing that time-restricted feeding doesn't have benefits beyond caloric restriction itself. It's also insightful to learn about the optimal protein consumption range for muscle growth. The discussion about the potential difficulty in balancing time-restricted feeding and optimal protein intake really sheds light on the complexities of nutrition and fitness. It's clear that there's no one-size-fits-all approach and that understanding the nuances is crucial.
There’s entire video dedicated to the advantages of time restricted eating over caloric restriction. There ABSOLUTELY are benefits to one over the other.
Ive done OMAD pretty much daily from about age 24 to about 27, simply because its whats easiest for my lifestyle, and Ive always been stronger than average and have maintained a consistent 165-170 lbs over the course of that time. Im a blacksmith and welder. I wonder how much comes down to genetics and level of physical labor.
@@UsDiYoNa OK cool I'm around the same weight now I've kinda been on this oh I need to bulk up mentality. But as I get older I believe flexibility will help me more than been big and the feeling of been full all the time is not fun. So tell me 2 things do you do any calisthenics or other exercises
Same here, except from 35 - 37 years old. I found as long as I met my protein needs each 24 hr period, I seemed to maintain muscle mass and strength. Also, several years ago I attended an ASPEN (American Society of Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition - basically the authorities on clinical nutrition, especially tube feeding and IV nutrition) conference, and there were a handful of researchers there who had been looking specifically at protein, and they aggressively insisted that the most important factor when it comes to protein intake is getting your needed amount in 24 hours. They seemed to think the timing aspect was overblown (not irrelevant) based on their research. Side note: they also said they found no evidence in all of their research that protein intake was bad for kidneys.
I’m surprised how much attia misses here. There’s tons of benefits to a daily fasting routine including lowering baseline grehlin, increasing GH, increasing BDNF, inducing autophagy, etc. you can easily get enough protein, doesn’t take much to figure it out.
Marlbovore here -- 12 weeks now. Carnivore + Marlboro. Yup, don't laugh. In addition to going full carnivore I started smoking again and I feel amazing!!! I lost 41lbs, my depression and anxiety are GONE and I actually have more energy. Looks like the medical establishment lied to us again. First about cigarettes, and now red meat. Not only do I feel better but my IBS is history too. Wish I'd done this sooner! Thanks Peter!!!
I don’t care what his data says, IF has more benefits than calorie restriction. My bench press is going up (250 x 8 reps at age 47) and I train chest at 5pm without eating all day and I have all kinds of power. Drink glutamine and black coffee and salt all day. Skin looks younger and stomach is lean.
JeffSeg: I agree with you and am concerned as to why/how Dr. A. can say that with a straight face!! "I.F. leads to induction of adaptive autophagy and increases longevity of eukaryotic cells". Downside, IMO, is this process begins at 24-48 hours of fasting.
Interesting that he maintains that there are not additional benefits to time restricted feeding that go beyond the caloric restriction. The opposite of what Satchin Panda described in the Huberman Lab episode on the topic. He there actually mentioned animal-based trials that did show a significant effect beyond caloric restriction on longevity in mice.
The benefits of minimising animal protein in a diet have been overwhelmingly documented. One can eat very high levels of protein that are mostly from vegetable sources. I eat 1.6 grams of protein for each kilo of body weight of which 80-90 percent are from vegetable sources and only 10-20 percent from animal sources, primarily high-Omega 3 fish types). The benefits of avoiding or minimising animal protein are overwhelming provided you can make food choices to get your protein level intakes high, which can be done with legumes, soy, whole grains, vegetables, vegetable protein supplements, and yes, a low dose of high-quality animal protein if necessary. Avoiding or minimising animal protein is an inconvenient truth.
The benefit of IF/TRF (for me) is the ability to not have hunger pangs. My mind is still in control. I’m fat adapted & carnivore. I did a 22 mile hike fasted. Never once felt hungry or energy deprived. Feet hurt like hell for a day though. 😊
Jeff Nippard said that according to literature there are no differences between IF and unrestricted feeders in muscle hypertrophy if macros are matched.
i've been doing IF and keto for about 2 years. i also started working out about 3 months ago. i run and i do calisthenics. i found that running works quite well in the morning but workout not so much. it's a bit annoying i have to wait for lunch and then wait for lunch to not make me feel full and THEN i can start working out. but i have to say, i can work basically a full day without feeling the need to eat and it's not desk work. i've had no trouble whatsoever putting on muscle as long as i watch my protein intake.
I think people need to understand there are caveats to this. This is for people are already healthy looking to go to the next level. If the stats are correct and 75% of the people in the US are obese we are talking about MAYBE 10% fall into this category (Chris falls into this category). For the other 85% restricting your meal times and even going OMAD or one meal a day is going to be a net gain. An extended fast is going to be a net gain for 85% of the people.
@@petergivenbless900 I believe I get what you are saying but perhaps let me rephrase. What is being talked about in this video we are talking about already healthy people on how to get even healthier. To even be healthy nowadays requires a good deal of discipline and work. This is something unhealthy people for whatever are not doing at the moment. For most of the unhealthy people out there this advice is way too advanced and is most likely not going to be helpful to them. The one thing I wanted to mention is step 1 for getting healthy is lowering your caloric intake IE getting your eating under control. People who are overweight that is the #1 problem and intermittent fasting is the easiest way of doing that. Once you have regulated when you are eating then step #2 is start regulating what you are eating. This is already asking a lot for most people at this point.
33% of Americans are overweight but not obese with a BMI of 25 to 29.9. 42% of Americans are obese with a BMI of over 30. So those together give the 75% overweight and obese.
@@anthonyju6392 " healthy people on how to get even healthier" Is there any evidence that the additional muscle mass being talked about makes you 'healthier'. Or let me rephrase....how do we define healthy? I am sure the additional muscle is beneficial for performance related things but is this additional protein and eating mean anything in regards to lifespan? Heart disease, cancer...etc.
I really respect Dr Attia's opinions so I'm very curious about intermittant fasting. When I was 20/21 years old (30 years ago) I lost a lot of weight and was in the best shape of my life. This is before the internet and certainly before I ever heard of IF. I was just busy with work and school and ended up only eating in a small window (Usually 4-6 hours). I looked and felt great. I started doing it again recently but I was struggling more now at my age. But the health benefits I've been reading motivated me even more than weight loss. I read in many sources that Intermittant fasting improves energy, improves liver function, decreases belly fat, reduces cortisol, slows aging of the brain, and aids in autophogy. Are NONE of these things true? 🤔
Most of the things you mentioned also happen when you just restrict calories. IF is just a METHOD to restrict calories. Restricting calories is what actually causes most of those things. So whatever method works for you to restrict calories tends to be the best.
Re: "there's nothing beneficial to intermittent fasting beyond the calorie restriction" There have been a lot of studies that show that fasting increases autophagy. You get an increase in autophagy within the 20h fasting window
No one ever touches on bowel transit time (how long meat takes to leave your system) and how acidic it is. While fruit on the other hand is alkalizing.
He is pretty amazing except in the area of nutrition. He does not really follow a science based approach in reviewing the evidence. He overlays his personal opinion.
TRE has benefits over the same amount of calories spread throughout the day. For instance, women in breast cancer remission have a 30% lower recurrence if they have at least 12 hours of fasting a day (probably much more with more hours). The effects on general populations have not been measured yet, but it would not be surprising if there were some.
I'm so confused. Dr. Attia (who has great credibility in my book) said they're seeing no benefit with IF or long fasts over that of the calorie restriction? What? What about growth hormones that are produced during a longer fast, autophagy, mitophagy, cancer prevention by starving potential cancer cells with a 3 day fast, BDNF to name a few? There are studies that show distribution of the same calories over a short vs longer eating window produced more weight loss in the person who ate the calories in the shorter window. ??
I’m really confused by this as well. I’ve read ton of literature on the benefits of fasting that are independent from calorie restriction. There was a NEJM review that I read recently that highlighted some of the cellular benefits of fasting from only 16 hours. So I’m really interested as to why he said that.
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Another reason to intermittently fast is autophagy. You also don't need more than 1.2g/kg of bodyweight of protein a day, no matter how much muscle you're trying to build. Excess gets turned into fat.
52 years old, I fast 12 to 15 hours a day and eat 3 times during an 8 hour time frame. It's very difficult for me to get more than 150 grams of protein. I'm 6' 3 and 205 and this makes building additional muscle nearly impossible for me.
@@Luke_MoonWalker can you just simply provide advice without the "youre welcome"? like you were saving someones life? how do you know he isnt allergic to some of that stuff you mentioned or he doesnt like it?
specialtipp is to eat quark 500g mixed with 30g whey than you have around 100g. If you eat meat its also very easy to hit your protein. Cheese is great or if you are vegan supplement protein powder and eat a lot of legumes
I'm in the same physical bracket. Depends on your goals in terms of metabolic health. For me, it's all about insulin balance and mTor modulation. Fasting inhibits mTor, protein activates it (specifically Leucine), so mTor modulates it's not chronically on. High insulin runs deep in my family, so i'm always conscious of it - low carbs are the way to go. Only take in carbs during workout days. Other days go much lower say under 30grams. On work out days go 50 to 75 grams of carbs, mostly Rice. When I do IF (intermittent fasting) I don't take in protein shakes, like whey, as they are instant insulin spikers. In terms of protein and muscle on IF, I stop eating around 7 to 8pm and have my first meal at 11 to 12noon. I do resistance training before my first meal, then eat 40 to 50 grams of protein, that is to say, 175 grams of chicken breast or 175 grams of Tilapia. I'll eat 50 grams of white rice on those days that I work out. I then snack a few hours later with fruit and nuts then have my second protein meal at around 6 to 7 - 50 to 60 grams of quality protein. I do take 5 grams of creatine during my first meal. Results after 6 months, I've grown more lean muscle than I ever had in the last ten years.
Attia needs to talk to Dr. Chaffee, because what he's saying doesn't add up. If a guy who is 6'3" eats about 2 pounds of meat a day (once) and maintains his muscle mass, it seems like something is wrong in the literature. I also eat about 1.5 pounds of beef once a day and have more visible muscle mass than Attia. I guess we're just crazy outliers?
To those new to carnivore- Carnivore diet cured so much for me! I am 5’7” and 47 years young. I update this list as time passes so it is always up to date, newest items at bottom of list. I have been zero carb carnivore (zero plants) for 1 year this Sept. 2023. And yes, carnivore is a permanent lifestyle for me! * No more perimenopause- completely reversed! *Period cycles all timed perfect with 4 week intervals.And no PMS symptoms, but only the actual menstrual cycle itself! *No more night sweats *No more waking every 2 hours at night! *It used to take me 20 minutes or longer to fall asleep at night when I would first go to bed at night- before carnivore. Now it takes like a minute or less. Haven’t noticed since I am out fast! *No more life long eczema *No more cold hands (may have been Reynold’s disease, never diagnosed.) *No more cold body temp in general! Used to feel like a reptile - only warm in texas sun. 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Think they know they won’t make money off me. *No more sore chest from monthly periods- no swelling feeling of fullness or discomfort that prevented me from sleeping on my stomach. Now I sleep every night on my stomach! *Fibrocystic Breast issues reversing! Almost all gone after 6 years of buildup! *no cravings unless they are for meat *no more angina symptoms before a period- which started about 3 years ago. *No more feeling weak like almost passing out and dizzy around ovulation and periods when walking around. * no more fingers swelling- that started a few years ago- rings kept being tight- is pattern I noticed. One ring I had resized larger and it’s super loose now. Will have to resize smaller. *feel stronger- now lifting barbells not just hands weights. Dr. Baker said since I am 46, and 5’7” at 122lbs- need more resistance training to add more muscle weight. . So bought a 47lb barbell off Amazon and have 40 extra pounds added to it. Will continue to progress with that. *Before carnivore- i had started growing grey hairs in one of my eyebrows, few hairs at a time, but no grey in my blonde hair yet - but assumed it was coming. Now on carnivore I have had no new grey hairs growing in eye brows and still no grey hair in my natural blonde hair. And in the sun it gets super light highlights. * no more body odor! * I used to get a little anxiety with large crowds- like if attending special events- but since on carnivore I don’t get it that much. *I was a bit OCD before carnivore, but so much more relaxed so barely like that. * I was a relaxed person before, but somehow am even more relaxed and never stress about things. *Since I was a young child my sense of smell has been terrible. But not even a month in on carnivore my sense of smell has gone crazy! I smell things even far away! Amazing! *no more allergies! I was allergic to cedar and oak pollens- and mold- but since carnivore I am no longer reacting to those outdoor pollens which is amazing! * I have had no more issues from ear wax build up. Had it twice after having kids and docs would say it was a hormonal problem. Carnivore cured that too! *Veins in my arms look healthier. They were almost invisible before. *Legs no longer hurt on longer road trips or plane rides! *I used to get a popping sounds in my right shoulder when lifting weights. Was probably a pulled ligament. That is now gone! *I have been lactose intolerant since I was a kid, and I feel my nails are a bit stronger than before. They do break if I catch them on things but I feel they are getting stronger on carnivore. *My teeth look more white on carnivore. *My blood pressure has improved on carnivore. 6 years before carnivore up to starting carnivore my blood pressure was increasing. Now on carnivore it is back to normal like when I was younger. Last reading it was 100/75 which is awesome! *i used to get eye twitches in my eye lids, but that is gone. * at times when trying to fall asleep I would close my eyes and at times felt dizzy like falling feeling or spinning. But haven’t has that since I have been on carnivore for 12 months. *the skin on the heals of my feet are no longer cracked and dry! (Newest update added!) *when laying still in bed to fall asleep at times I would feel dizzy or feel like I was falling through the mattress a bit. I would be laying still and get that suddenly. Felt weird and made it hard to fall asleep. Never diagnosed with vertigo, but it may have been that. I no longer have that since I have been carnivore, which is nice! *little leak from sneezing or coughing that ladies get from estrogen dominance is gone on carnivore! Hormones balanced so no more estrogen dominance! *The top inner corner of both my larger toes have felt a little numb for years. Never had it diagnosed. But being 1 year on carnivore I no longer feel that numbness! My nerves have healed in that spot on both toes! Crazy! *My slightly receding gums behind my center bottom front teeth have rebuilt so gums all over are super healthy! I have flossed daily for years, but gums look even healthier! If I think of anything else will add. ☺️👍🏻 I know when people go on carnivore they are trying to heal something, but if they aren’t like me and notice small things- they may not notice they are healing way more than they realized- things plant foods were causing! And they need to remember, processed foods are made from plants- but so are whole foods (raw or cooked!) they are all toxic! The carnivore diet cures! ☺️👌🏻 The body is a network made of multiple gears- and if one gets messed up it causes a whole domino affect of problems like I had! The carnivore lifestyle is not a fad, it’s the ancestral human way of eating! Go Carnivore for a few months and see how you feel! ☺️👍🏻 Dr. Baker, Dr. Chaffee, and Dr. Baker have excellent videos on how to start carnivore!
@@JennifertxCarnivore Ya I'm sure a ancestors were eating nothing but farm raised, hormone injected, plastic ingesting animals. We are omnivores by evolution, pick up a book.
Satchin panda and Nobel prize winning scientist Yoshinori oshumi would disagree on time restricted feeding having no benefit past caloric restriction. Jason Fung would as well.
I never have breakfast, but I always have coffee - a big latte with sugar. This is the only way I'm able to train effectively in the morning. And is the reason I always come back to having caffeine after giving it up.
I listen/read quite a bit to Peter, but also Christopher Gardner and Gil Carvalho for example. They are pushing up green, and meat down. They seem to have a fundamental difference in protein requirements and cardiovascular health. I mean, you look at this and it is huge, yet they have no misinformation on their channels. I wish we could see Dan Laymen and Christopher Gardner debate protein and Peter and Gil Carvalho (or someone else) debate. Just for public information more than blue state / red state camp thinking.
What about the health benefits of Autophagy during intermittent fasting? I know Dr Huberman spoke about this. Is Dr Attia contradicting this here? Or is this only about muscle growth and weight loss?
Attia has said he doesn’t think 16 hours off 8 hours on isn’t enough to meaningfully stimulate autophagy. Peter used to do 3 day fasts and 7 days fasts, but he stopped doing them as he didn’t like that there was no biomarker to see if he was getting any benefit from doing them, and he also lost a ton of muscle doing this.
I just eat when I’m hungry. When it’s all meat, that’s 1-3 times a day. Probably best not to overcomplicate it for most people. Studies and thinking on protein metabolism flip flop enough that I don’t think I’ll worry about it more than that unless I come across something that seems more definitive than that.
@@tatywork9126 I may be wrong but I have read mice studies and some headlines on humans but nothing concrete. Thats why im taking only 120g of protein instead of 200g. Overdoing anything is not good.
@@deflexion3677 Look up the issues with clinical mice. They are bred to be extremely susceptible to cancer, so anything that reduces their tumour growth leads to longer life. That means many extremely toxic drugs 'appear' to extend lifespan by acting like chemotherapy and therefore get approved, even though the reality is the drugs are toxic to humans. This has been known for over 20 years, yet they nothing was done about it. Humans are designed to eat fatty meat, so the only time to worry about excess protein is if you're eating lean meat.
It absolutely is beneficial to fast because your body is healing and repairing since it’s not focusing on digestion. This conversation is strictly muscle maintenance based and not actually health based
Hi, Def Interesting. I have literally tried everything. I have been a natural weightlifter/powerlifter/bodybuilder for my whole life. I'm 47 now, weigh about 210, have pretty good strength and am lean. I have eaten 3 meals a day, 5 meals a day, drank protein shakes for about 10 years straight and now eat one meal a day at night. My weight as a junior in high school was 206 over 30 years ago before all of this info. I have always been muscular. It just makes me wonder how much any of this science really plays a role. Maybe I have experienced subtle changes that I didn't notice but since I'm 16 my physique has been super consistent and hasn't changed much although I have tried all of this stuff you guys discuss in these podcasts but just don't think it matters as much as it seems. Homeostasis. You body will always find where it wants to be despite all of this. All of this manipulation takes time and energy to incorporate. If it doesn't make much of a real difference is it worth it. I've seen people that spend so much time setting up meals, logging everything, bloodwork 6 times a year, etc. And they still look like they don't even train. Train hard and smart, eat whole foods and limit the garbage, and sleep good. That is the simplest recipe.
The societies that live the longest eat 90 - 95% plants and the rest is almost always fish. It's not an opinion. So, if your goal is longevity then it's a safe bet to do what the people who live a long time are already doing.
your diet isn't the only factor that determines longevity. these societies are far more active, don't even have access to the available foods we have, far less stress, cleaner air, etc etc...
@@Dad_of_War Agreed. Which is why I never said it was the only factor. The guy above points out Hong Kong. Not only do they eat a diet very close to Mediterranean, they have extremely safe travel, low smoking rates, everybody has access to goof healthcare, etc. Eating veggies in a dangerous city still gets you shot or run over by a car at 45.
Specialist carnivores like Lions don’t live very long compared with herbivores in the natural world. For Lions it’s about 15-20 years. For omnivorous Bears it’s about 30-35 years and for herbivorous Gorillas it’s about 50-55 years. For omnivorous humans with cooking technology it’s up to 100 years.
Protein consumed in proper portions can be used to build and maintain muscle and bone. Because protein can only be processed for building at a certain rate we should space protein consumption through the day. Excess protein will be converted to glucose.
This was AWESOME. I didn't know about the 25 to 50 grams of protein limits. I was toying with the idea of OMAD, but its never worked for my schedule. I think I'll wait on it until I get more information.
@@jackoverton8343 I've achieved similar results without OMAD on an animal fat and protein diet. I'm not trying to be contentious, I'm just delivering my story. OMAD is appealing to me for the time saving aspect. My schedule keeps me busy and active.
I am not sure about the lower limit. Why would protein be converted into glucose if you have consumed the right amount of carbs and that the carbs are sufficient to fill your glycogen store
I want to ask a legitimate question. Did this conversation truly answer the question in the caption.? I am enamored and grateful for their overwhelming knowledge on the subject of fasting and protein intake. But it didn’t really answer anything when it comes to animal protein. Would love to hear a good reply. Thanks
Peter answered that question with Protein is not the cause of chronic mTor activation which many are saying is the cause of disease hence blaming red meat.
It depends what your lifestyle is...if you are working a super hard job physically plus working out it's almost impossible to eat to much meat. I never got diarrhea from meat. I did get diarrhea from overusing protein powder.
The more I listen to people on diet, health and fitness the more I realise we have such a variety within the human population that their is no correct answer at all. Its just trial and error and working out what is best for you, hence why studies contradict each other often, too many variables. Apart from obvious stuff like processed foods and doing no exercise etc its determine what works.
I mentally feel significantly more at peace and focused when I intermittently fast. What does the research say regarding this or is it just in my head?
Well I'm vegan and I'm surviving just fine whereas when I ate meat I was far more overweight before I went vegan around 2014. One thing I noticed is the sheer amount of gas my body passed when initially weaned myself off of red meat, then vegetarian, then two years later vegan. In that time I went down to a slim 180lbs at around 6'1. I went through a few years of alcoholism that nearly killed me but I'm thankfully sober now and I REALLY lost a lot of weight then. My skim also cleared up very nicely. You can thrive off of a vegan diet, however you have to eat whole food meals instead of just garbage all the time. Potato chips and dairy free ice cream are vegan, but they're by no means healthy.
And then you have the flip side of that… I tried a strict vegan diet for around 6/8 months and found it to be fairly catastrophic to not only my physical appearance (I won’t say health as I wasn’t aware of any legitimate physical health implications) and also, surprisingly my mental health. As someone who is 6ft3, I lost a ton of weight and muscle, struggle with energy, suffered with what could only be described as constant brain fog and ironically it was this period when I was in the worst mental space of my life. As soon as I stopped that diet and began a diet that consisted of quite a high intake of meat per day, every single one of the previous issues I had suffered seemed to subside. Now I will add, I strongly believe quality of meat is extremely important, I now strictly eat grass fed or organic meat but I’ve certainly found this diet to be the one that seems to put my body and mind in the right place. The important thing is that the conversations keep flowing from both sides respectfully and openly as both sides of this ongoing debate are deeply important to a better understanding on what most efficient human diet is 🙏
@alexmai4568 Again, like I said, you have to make sure you're getting your food from non garbage sources. I really don't know what you're getting at when you say that you developed brain fog. I went vegan and while it was initially weird, it didn't do any of the things to me that you described happened to you. My cholesterol and other blood content are all normal and even thriving. I don't intake any trans fats or cholesterol which are only ever found in animal products. So I don't know. Fake meats are good too but again they are frequently high in sodium, however given that they don't include disgusting things like antibiotics, carbon monoxide to make the meat red, tumor promoting carcinogens, trans fats or cholesterol, they're still better. So even if it isn't 100% the best thing to eat on a vegan diet it's still light years healthier than things like RBST and growth hormones. Yeah you could find animal products without those things but it's just the prospect of how we treat animals- we treat some of the gentlest and most docile creatures in existence worse than we've treated serial killers. I simply refuse to partake in something with such an amoral philosophy behind it, ie the idea that one species can rule over the other with an iron fist. I don't view the mass murder that goes on in the animal agriculture industry ethical and that's the primary reason why I don't eat meat or any animal products for that matter anymore.
also doing well w a vegan diet providing I get my protein requirements and maintain my regular exercise and resistance training. I think these 2 guys are missing the point
Low-carbohydrate diets, low-fat diets, and mortality in middle-aged and older people: A prospective cohort study Yimin Zhao et al. J Intern Med. 2023. Conclusions: Higher mortality was observed for overall LCD and unhealthy LCD, but slightly lower risks for healthy LCD. Our results support the importance of maintaining a healthy LFD with less saturated fat in preventing all-cause and cause-specific mortality among middle-aged and older people.
One thing I completely disagree with is him saying IF has no advantage over calorie restriction. That may be true if you're ONLY looking at fat/weight. But in terms of overall health (diabetes, cancer, etc) it's ideal for keeping insulin levels low. Sure, you could do the same with a strict diet, but there are plenty of low calorie foods that spike insulin tremendously.
I found that time restricted carbs was where I was most successful. I ate high protein, moderate fat right after exercising, a high protein, high fat keto lunch, and didn't consume my carbs until dinner.
I ate a delicious bowl of beans with some seeds and vegetables and got 30 grams of protein while watching this. Plus some salsa verde and pico. Added also turmeric, cumin. Absolutely delicious plant-based nutrition. Once you go plant-based, you don’t come back to steak.
Wrong ! Lol ! You probably only absorbed about half of the protein. You'll find out later in life how bad plant based eating is for your long term health. Lost muscle, weak tendons, atrophyed brain is in your plant based future if you don't include high quality animal and fish proteins. Humans evolved to eat animal based protein, not leaves and seeds ! Lol 🤦
I eat mostly like this and have done for almost a year and a half now. No more brain fog, no more being tired all the time those are the best benefits I have experienced
Eating carnivore completely changed almost everything about me in a positive way. It’s unbelievable. So happy for any/all of you reading this and getting similar benefits 👍😃👍
Not for or against carnivore diets - just trying to learn. Personally I’m not too into red meat (because I am shit at cooking steak… I plan on being better). In the carnivore community, is red meat like beef way better than chicken? I eat like a lb of chicken a day
@@Dark_Souls_3it’s higher in fat than chicken which is why carnivores tend to prefer beef over chicken. It’s the fat where most of us carnivores are relying on for energy now that we are sugar/carb free. I used to prefer chicken when I used to calorie count in order to drop a bit of weight or get in better shape. But I don’t have to do that anymore these days as my body seems to just regulate my weight on carnivore and I just stay trim 👍
Might be a good idea to get Brad Schoenfeld on here for a similar topic discussion. Specifically surrounding MPS and the time gap post-exercise to ingest an optimal amount of protein (25-50g?)
Isn't funny how all the obsessing and diets and decades of research all come back to showing a moderate balanced approach being best for most people. When in doubt, listen to your body, not the internet
no way, bro. how am i going to be cool and trendy & feel superior to others if i'm not a Carnivore or Vegan? you're out of your mind. omnivore? moderation? get real. lmao!
Man you have to be a scientist to fully understand the lingo of this conversation. I’m leaving with more questions than when I started to watch the video
Meat bad! Eat zee bugs! When I started my mostly all meat diet, everything in my life became better. I felt better, my mood improved, my sleep improved...I even looked better from losing weight. Don't eat zee boogs. Eat meat
@@sophisticatedmammal1826 what a scientific answer that was 👏 really described your point about two completely different species and their relation to us. We are in fact closer related to chimps than gorillas. What do chimps like eating lots of, could it be they have a taste for some animal flesh.
I do the too much protein and time restricted eating. Can’t eat carbs, I get late evening binges if I eat carbs, to a degree that is eating disorder like. No problem gaining muscle, the eggs/meat/dairy diet combined with TRT works fine for that.
Anyone trying to tell me that meat is bad just gets ignored. Everyone is different but IN GENERAL humans are carnivores and do not thrive without red meat over long term
I weigh around 155lbs, go to the gym EVERY day and use heavy weight and have been blessed with a diet of 4-5lbs of fillet and prime rib, nuts and fruit. There's no question, NO QUESTION I recover easily every day and can exercise in the rain and NEVER get sick and my nails and beard grow strong. I read a John Hopkins graduate level physiology book-The average human uses 400g of protein a day...body builders and athletes know steak, steak , steak
According to Attia in his new book Outlive, better health will reduce the likelihood of e.a cancer, cardio vascular diseases, neurodegenerative disease, or type 2 diabetes and related metabolic dysfunction which are the diseases you most likely will die from. So good health will help with longevity. And you are more likely to have bad health for only a shorter period before you die.
We need t understand that there is a difference between longevity and health span. In a sentence, Ronald Regan (as with others) had the gift of "lifespan", not "health span". Too bad he suffered from Alzheimer's in his early 80s, He died bedridden ay 93. As Attia writes in his book, one should ask themselves what would the desire to do in their last decade in life? Then, no matter your age, eat clean as possible, and target your workout routine (to include mental conditioning) and life to provide you with the health span you need to reach the end of your lifespan!
@@rms2991 stop trying to make "healthspan" happen, Gretchen. it's not going to happen. it is so not fetch. rms: "i eat clean & work out to increase my healthspan." normal person: "wtf is that?" rms: "healthspan is the amount of time that you are healthy in relation to the totality of years in your actual lifespan or time that you are alive." normal person: "oh, you mean longevity."
Really annoying that neither of them answered the question of why he stopped longer fasts. He was doing monthly 3 day fasts, and quarterly 7+ day fasts. And then they just spoke about time restricted feeding daily, hinted that the only reason he stopped it was because he lost muscle mass. But did that relate to the longer fasts spread out? There was no link made to that, and no reference to senescence clearing or the key reasons why fasting may impact healthspan
Attia likes the sound of his own voice and spouting back what he’s memorised. He got found out by Professor Bart Kay for his smooth brain takes on nutrition.
Unprocessed whole foods with nutrient dense soruces such as red meat,eggs, non mercury fish. With occasional organic vegetables if you want. Non organic vegetables have way too much pesticides linked to ibs,colitis,IBD,and so on. Modern fruit is not anywhere near acceptable compared to fruit 50 years ago. It's just full of sugar and lacking in nutrients. I did this diet like thousands of others with a bit of fasting and all my issues have been resolved.
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There is no effect of IF on blood sugar levels that has any positive impact on health?
Eat halal meat. Not haram one. Haram is harmful by creation of GOD. AND GOD HAS WARNED US HUMANS AGAIN AND AGAIN , WE MOST DON'T PAY ATTENTION.
The problems of pure intellectual reasoning (idealism or subjectiveness) often fallen into pure fallacies or wrong hypothesis. Evidences based researches (objectiveness) always beat any pure rational reasoning conclusion. As believer of carnivore diet after 5 years, I got heart attack at end even without any family history of heart diseases. The condition is so bad that no bypass or stent can be performed. I have to follow Dr. Dean Ornish and Dr. Esselstyn heart disease diet which are pure plant based diets. So far so good, all measurements become normal; no more chest pain. Evidence based medicine is essential.
I give up! For the past couple of years I have travelled down the rabbit hole of metabolic health and longevity, and for every “experts” advice or opinion I have listened to, I can show you an equally educated “expert” saying the exact opposite!
I have landed on that the researcher naked Gil, who runs the YT channel called 'Nutrition Made Simple' is the safest bet. He looks at all the research for one given aspect of diet or health, and breaks it down. He also explains how to look at research in a meaningful way. He also has healthcare professionals on his show to talk about various subjects. Plus debunks various sources who spread misleading information.
Many people use skewed papers, with cherry picked data, with poor testing methods, which ultimately delivers poor results or completely false representation of the facts. Dr. Berg has for instance been viewed objectively by Gil and had been observed to represent data poorly at times. As he didn't take the time to truly dig deep enough into what he presented.
We preferably want to look at quality data, which is repeatable, preferably with RCT Meta analysis, though other quality studies count too. With as many different demographics, ages, and as long time spans as possible. The collective sum of it all allows us to make conclusions. It should never be done in isolation, based on one paper.
This is not me trying to talk bad about anyone specifically, but more about highlighting that we need to be careful with who we listen to when we don't have the knowledge, experience and understanding to truly know what is right or wrong in a given context. Especially one so polarised, complex and important as our health.
I highly recommend Gil's work.
That said! Whole food, plant based, some animal protein and a wide variety of foods is definitely what's the most healthy. Though we all have specific ratios for fat, protein, carb and nutritional / biological differences. So figuring that out is the difficult part. Sometimes testing to find genes can be very helpful.
You give up???......Good!!....thats probably the best thing to happen to you!!. I just use a bit of common sense now. I'm 61 and I was at deaths door as an obese 53 year old. I had a heart attack and open heart surgery. The three most important things that I've done in my life since my operation and in this order was 1) I looked after my mental health, 2) I try and cut out processed junk food, 3) I move daily. Knock yourself out on what way you want to go about that.....there is not just one path up the mountain....choose one that makes commom sense to you.....here's what my path look like......
I'm what is called by some people a "flexitarian" although I don't like using labels. What that looks like is that i'm predominatley plant based with a little animal protein thrown in here and there. It's probably impossibe to eliminate all process junk food but I try and limit that to anywhere from near zero to around 5%. I eat the animal protein in moderation too and no more than once a day unlike most people who use it in every meal. I eat mostly green leaves, green veg, coloured veg, fruits, legumes, nuts seeds in combination with the animal products. I toss kettlebells for 30 minutes for about 3 times a week. I get about 7-10k steps up everyday, so im not sedatery. Sometimes I light jog and cycle. That's me done!! I hand the rest to a higher power and get on and try and live my day in a state of contentment. I don't waste endless amount of time and energy worrying or in fear of death. Mental health looks similar in percentages. I watch out for anger, worry, jealously, self pity, depressive thoughts and when they do surface (which they will), I deal with them and get over them quickly and put things right if I offended anyone. With years of practice this becomes like zero to 5% too, so I stay prodominately in a happy and contented place despite whats going on around me. This contentment is an inside job and not dependent on people, objects, activities or events. I also don't get caught up in the Keto v Vegan or foodcamps bullcrap or the the exercise camps bullshit either. I've picked my poison on how to eat and exercise and it sits right with me and makes sense. Live and let live.
@@patrickokeeffe4787 Thank you for posting this comment, I found this to be quite inspirational, and I appreciate you sharing your experience.
@@kevanriley2998 Thank you too, Kevan. If my experiences have helped just one person to find their own way....then job done for me and i have received my dose of goodness too. Another important thing is to realise is that what you give away....you get back tenfold. If you give away help....you receive help tenfold. If you give away joy....you receive joy tenfold.....but be careful, if we give anger...we get that back tenfold too.😉😁
Eat the food that grows on the ground and eat the animals that eats the food that grows on the ground
Gotta love living in a era, and region, where the discussion involving food is about timing and quantity, and not availability.
Right??
A blessing that can't be taken for granted
@@M-su4mhbut often is
@@M-su4mh Yeah people don't realize how fragile it is, but I think a lot of people (myself included) became much more aware during the lockdowns. Supply chains get disrupted and suddenly store shelves are *empty* , and you realize you could get starved out within weeks if you're not careful.
Vegetable gardening and hunting are both good skills to have in your back pocket in an emergency, to make you less vulnerable to supply disruptions.
Whatever , if you were alive in 25,000 BC you'd be happy too . Probly more alive .
What I do believe is no matter what diet you follow - as long as you wean off hyper processed hyper palatable food the better your health will be 🎉
yes this is almost like the "as long as you do some minimum level of exercise weekly, you lower all cause mortality by like 400%" which I believe Attia also mentioned on a Huberman podcast. the greatest benefits can come from some of the simplest lifestyle changes.
sorry everyone I don't remember what that magical amount was because was already significantly exceeding it. now you have to go listen to the podcast. you'll thank me!
@@mattd62643 hours a week was the minimum.
5 ingredients or less!
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Exactly compared to the standard American diet, you would be far above average. No need to worry about going vegan or keto, a mix of meat fruit veg dairy eggs nuts and eliminating ultra processed foods I.e biscuits sweets chocolate crisps ice cream bad oils cheap oven foods. You will be healthier than a nut.
Love when an interviewer voices every question I have while listening. Masterfully done Chris
The problems of pure intellectual reasoning (idealism or subjectiveness) often fallen into pure fallacies or wrong hypothesis. Evidences based researches (objectiveness) always beat any pure rational reasoning conclusion. As believer of carnivore diet after 5 years, I got heart attack at end even without any family history of heart diseases. The condition is so bad that no bypass or stent can be performed. I have to follow Dr. Dean Ornish and Dr. Esselstyn heart disease diet which are pure plant based diets. So far so good, all measurements become normal; no more chest pain. Evidence based medicine is essential.
If most people eat a little bit of everything especially meat fruits and vegetables and exercise once in a while they should be good the problem is that most people eat processed foods and junk food and rarely Exercise
Agreed. Sticking to whole foods is best and the best way to avoid this for me has been to never have junk food in my kitchen. If I crave a bag of chips I'll go out to the convenience store and buy a small bag. Happens like a few times a month -- chips are my weakness. Sweets I can avoid much easier
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Very well said. I still eat meat but usually just once a month or sometimes every few months( the same way that I'll eat junk food once a month or drink carbonated and sugary drinks every few months) and I also exercise. I lost a lot of weight and not regaining it and not going back to how I used to be(fat) is important to me.
@@JR-ju3kjso do follow Attila’s advice on how much protein the body needs? if so, how are you getting this much protein, complete protein, by not eating very much meat?
Do you take supplements and do you consider those processed?
This is such a fascinating conversation as someone that has been doing IF for a few months now. I initially lost a good chunk of weight, but have since hit a wall with that. 16:8 basically just is maintenance at this point, and even going to 18:6 I'm not really seeing a difference. I am now also doing weight training as well to build more muscle mass. I am considering simply going back to a more normal eating schedule and taking in a higher protein diet in the morning. The thing I like the most about IF from a habitual or behavioral standpoint is the forced discipline (and yes, I know I don't need IF to do this, I should do it anyways, but it's a mindset). I know that when my wife and I are sitting on the couch before bed and she says "I'm hungry", I just say, ok, go eat something, because I'm not going to. It has forced me to be disciplined about cutting out unnecessary snacking. Just that aspect alone has been worth its weight in gold.
Isn't that IF is not really for losing weight but more of a recovery tool. Eating less or choosing the right foods will make you lose weight and exercise builds physical attributes. All though indirectly mental health
when youre sick of the next big thing or trial, try this one. Especially if you are trying to get lean and maintain muscle. Try hitting 300 grams protein daily. Lean protein. shakes, chicken breast, very lean beef, fish. Holy moly. I drop weight like im having limbs cut off. I am Constantly full to the point i dont want my next meal and I retain all my strength. Only problem is, it is not maintainable for over two weeks. Just gets so tiring. And I know someone is going to say thats too much protein and I know someone is going to say but you dont know how much this person weighs! and I just dont care. It really is a fantastic way to see what happens to your body when you smash protein daily without listening to all the studies. And guess what, its fantastic. Let yourself be your own test subject occassionally and guess what.....Sometimes you will laugh at studies and their results because you now know what happens when you are the subject. I had seen studies saying more protein more fatloss and more muscle gain and then i saw the trendy wave of "oh no one needs that much protein" and so i tried it myself. It worked for me. at least tryin 5 meals of 50 grams lean protein thats 250
Erm no shit you arnt going to lose weight if you dont cut your calories no matter how much you shorten your eating window thats not how the body works. In the long term IF is not about weight loss or weight gain its an eating schedule not a diet.
Ive been on some form of IF for basically 10 years ive bulked and cutted on it. Its about how you feel being on an empty stomach, what it does for your health and attitude and a myriad of other things.
The fact its turned into some weight loss fad diet thing is bizarre because people lose weight by abusing the fact you cant stuff your face so you end up eating less in a 6 hour period is not what its about.
@@maxpowers4436 I get it that this is RUclips and you feel totally comfortable talking to me like an asshole because you don't know me, but calm down. Did I say I wasn't cutting calories either? I'm not trying to cram 3 meals into a smaller eating window. That's not what I said. My point is when I started doing IF I dropped like 20 pounds in 2-3 months. It helped me change bad habits. As I've gotten down to a healthier weight, I've realized that I won't just continue to shed weight by just changing my eating window (to your point). I'm now working out really hard, and changing my diet beyond just shortening my eating window. Higher protein, reducing processed foods, getting clean, cutting out alcohol as much as possible, etc.
@@sackman1886 don't listen to that dude. you're doing all the right shit.
Great discussion! I found that calorie restriction throughout the day is far easier to maintain muscle mass while still becoming leaner over the months.
As a time restrictive eater, I get in 225 grams of protein through whole food in three meals. It can be easily done through eggs, ground beef, steak or salmon. I also enjoy my fruit and nuts.
After listening to Dr. Attia and many well educated individuals when speaking about mTOR I am inclined to believe that it all comes back to insulin. As long as a person is insulin sensitive they are most likely not going to have constantly stimulated mTOR. As always thank you Chris for the insightful questions.
Yeah, I think all the problems they've blamed on meat is just the Buns/sauces full of HFCS,sugar,and oxidized seed oils which all worsen insulin resistance significantly.
Plenty of tribes that eat mostly red meat and cook over fires and whatnot surely burning it sometimes and yet they don't have any diseases such as heart disease and diabetes.
@@jackoverton8343correct, it’s the “standard diet”, not carnivore or anything reasonably approximating a meat analysis
thats one hell of an assumption doctor 🤣
@@dopamine-87 do you have data supporting an alternative conclusion?
@jackoverton8343 So like the benefit of fasting from toxic foods is that there's less time of having toxic foods swirling around n stuff? 😂
TRE has multiple documented benefits over over other methods of calorie restriction:
1. Results in lower levels of insulin in the body, which reduces hunger, making any form of calorie restriction easier
2. There is higher compliance with TRE as a form of caloric restriction than with other forms of caloric restriction
3. TRE trains the body to control cravings. People who do TRE and periodic fasting become in much higher control
of their food choices and cravings
Agree normal calorie restriction was always hard for me
And possibly some autophogy
IIRC the time of day also matters, basically it is better to eat such that your stomach is not full when going to bed
There's also less blood & energy being used on digesting, allowing more for the brain.
I have lived my entire adult life doing intermittent fasting. It happened naturally because of laziness when it comes to food. Never eaten breakfast and have always consolidated all my calories during a short period during the evening. My diet has been consisting of mostly meat. I have also been physically active my entire life and have easily put on and maintained muscle mass with this lifestyle.
In my mind, agriculture is a relatively new thing. Before that, people mainly consumed animals. Our ancestors did not have access to food constantly, so feeding windows were sparse. It seems to me that meat and intermittent fasting is a natural way of living. It makes sense to me.
Make sure you never go only meat no carbs though, all hunter gatherers are elated to find some honey or fruit
people ate meat a lot less frequently in reality and were much healthier because of it
@@michaelbishop9157then what did they eat if they weren’t eating meat?
@@joeberrouard3743 what do you think ? my grandparents couldn't afford much meant nor my parents. Now we have people eating meat 3 x a day and it's often loaded with salt and preservatives
He was talking about 2 million years ago until 15.000 years ago.
That's the time frame where we were scavengers and hunters, getting berries and honey where we could get it. Plants, tubers was the fall back scenario in times of starvation.
Some 15.000 to 10.000 years ago we started agriculture.
I think he was talking about times before that..
Chris I'm curious why you had such a hard time getting and staying fit with IF? For me it was the opposite. It was after starting to try IF around 2011 that I found it was MUCH easier to get and stay fit. And I'm a men's physique competitor so we're not talking fit like some cardio dominated sport like cycling. And I want to push back slightly on what Dr Attia said about clinical trails and benefits of time restriction. Sure, he might not see any apparent evidence in trials, but I'd like to add an anecdotal experience. Once I started IF, I noticed a significant night and day difference:
* I was much less sick
* I stopped getting drowsy and low energy before lunch like I had been my whole life when I used to eat breakfast. So my point is that it had very nice benefits for me personally, apart from helping to restrict calories.
IF works for some people and not for others, depending on job, lifestyle, kids, type of exercise you're trying to perform etc. etc. I believe IF is good for body-building but I don't think it works as well for say an ironman event or crossfit. I never get why ppl get so defensive about the type of diet they are on, not saying you are but some ppl get super offended if someone says anything bad about a specific diet, I've tried them all and have been doing IF 6 days a week for about 18 months, I like the feeling of being full at the end of the day and it helps me stop snacking at night after 7, that's basically the only difference for me, energy levels are the same, I feel and look slightly better again because I'm not snacking as much, but that's it, it works for me.
bodybuilding is not fit lol, come do a triathlon with me
Ate a steak while watching this.
Your body thanks you for it 👍
I ate a subway with chicken and ham
@@TheSageOfSixPacks L
That's great. You're super cool!
😂😂😂
Summary of the Video:
The video features a discussion on the role of meat consumption, protein intake, and the activation of the mTOR (mechanistic target of rapamycin) pathway in health and aging. The speakers address a current movement that demonizes meat consumption due to concerns about activating the mTOR pathway, which, when chronically activated, is associated with aging and certain diseases.
They clarify that there is a significant difference between chronic and acute activation of mTOR. Acute activation is necessary for anabolic processes like muscle synthesis. Essential amino acids found in meat-such as leucine, lysine, and methionine-play a crucial role in this process, with leucine being a key activator of mTOR.
The speakers argue that intentionally limiting amino acid intake to suppress mTOR activity can lead to sarcopenia (loss of muscle mass) as we age. They also discuss intermittent fasting and time-restricted feeding, noting that while these practices can reduce caloric intake, they might inadvertently reduce protein intake, which is essential for maintaining muscle mass. The importance of balancing protein consumption with fasting periods is emphasized to optimize health outcomes.
Is Eating Meat Healthy?
Based on the perspectives shared in the video, eating meat is considered healthy when consumed in appropriate quantities. Meat provides essential amino acids that are vital for activating the mTOR pathway acutely, supporting muscle growth, and preventing muscle loss as we age. The speakers suggest that while chronic activation of mTOR can be harmful, acute activation through regular protein intake is beneficial.
They caution against the excessive restriction of amino acids (by avoiding meat) to suppress mTOR activity, as this may lead to negative health consequences like sarcopenia. Therefore, according to the discussion, incorporating meat into one's diet can be a healthy choice for maintaining muscle mass and supporting overall metabolic health.
Love Dr. Attia. But in one breath he says "I don't eat 14 hours a day so I don't worry about MTOR" Also Dr Attia "Intermittent fasting has no benefit beyond calorie restriction"
Attia has some good stuff out there. This isn’t among that stuff.
What you have to understand about Attia is that he is addressing the topic of health span from a doctor's perspective, which means he is considering a variety of research and the feasibility of implementation in general and sick populations. People with strong bodies live longer, which requires regular exercise and protein consumption. People who avoid the deadliest diseases live longer, which requires understanding the pathophysiology of each disease and the feasibility of intervention implementation.
how to hit your essay word count ^
What he said!
Yea I stopped reading half way through lol
Y'all can't focus long enough to read 75 words? There's nothing wrong with accurately articulating your points.
To paraphrase you: “He’s a doctor. People with strong bodies who also don’t get sick live longer.” What was the point of this comment lmao
Thanks everyone for all the word salad. Im really informed on the heading of this video
At 5:30, Attia says "We're not seeing any difference" of time restricted eating of 2000 calories over eating 2000 calories throughout the day. I just can't believe this.
It is not clear to me what kind of "difference" he is referring to -- weight loss? blood test results? inflammation? etc.
Exactly what I was thinking. I call BS. What about no glucose or insulin spikes? What about autophagy? Lost credibility in my mind.
@@Capt.Tony00 16 off/ 8 on isn’t enough to meaningfully stimulate autophagy. You’d also see huge glucose and insulin spikes when you’re actually eating.
There has been proven time and time again by different researchers that for autophagy (the actual cellular repair and cleaning) we need 36 hours of fasting or more. Everything less just restricts the calories intake.
Yeah I wish he would stopped him and asked about 24+ since he only covered 24-
but on some level our bodies are undergoing autophagy all the time.
Yes, but his outright claim that eating 2000 calories in a 4 hour window, is no different than eating 2000 calories in an 18 hour window, is flat out incorrect.
Would this only work for males?
100%
This discussion really made me think about the balance between intermittent fasting and maintaining muscle mass. It's intriguing that time-restricted feeding doesn't have benefits beyond caloric restriction itself. It's also insightful to learn about the optimal protein consumption range for muscle growth. The discussion about the potential difficulty in balancing time-restricted feeding and optimal protein intake really sheds light on the complexities of nutrition and fitness. It's clear that there's no one-size-fits-all approach and that understanding the nuances is crucial.
Autophagy doesn't provide any benefits when intermittent fasting or beyond (24+ hour fasts)?
what a comment 🙌🏼
There’s entire video dedicated to the advantages of time restricted eating over caloric restriction. There ABSOLUTELY are benefits to one over the other.
I do 4 meals a day 50 grams of protein each meal in a 12 hr window. Best of both worlds
Autophagy is the reason
Vegan/vegetarian for 12 years. Started eating healthy, grass-fed, quality meat regularly 7 years ago. Never felt better in my life.
"You weren't doing it right!"
Nice!
Heme iron for me. 3vyears vegan and I was ao anemic I needed an infusion
@@cassclare 😳
@@cassclare?! Wow
Ive done OMAD pretty much daily from about age 24 to about 27, simply because its whats easiest for my lifestyle, and Ive always been stronger than average and have maintained a consistent 165-170 lbs over the course of that time. Im a blacksmith and welder. I wonder how much comes down to genetics and level of physical labor.
Whats your weight bro
@@damonm4156 its mentioned in my initial comment
Do you even lift bro?
@@UsDiYoNa OK cool I'm around the same weight now I've kinda been on this oh I need to bulk up mentality.
But as I get older I believe flexibility will help me more than been big and the feeling of been full all the time is not fun.
So tell me 2 things do you do any calisthenics or other exercises
Same here, except from 35 - 37 years old. I found as long as I met my protein needs each 24 hr period, I seemed to maintain muscle mass and strength. Also, several years ago I attended an ASPEN (American Society of Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition - basically the authorities on clinical nutrition, especially tube feeding and IV nutrition) conference, and there were a handful of researchers there who had been looking specifically at protein, and they aggressively insisted that the most important factor when it comes to protein intake is getting your needed amount in 24 hours. They seemed to think the timing aspect was overblown (not irrelevant) based on their research. Side note: they also said they found no evidence in all of their research that protein intake was bad for kidneys.
I’m surprised how much attia misses here. There’s tons of benefits to a daily fasting routine including lowering baseline grehlin, increasing GH, increasing BDNF, inducing autophagy, etc. you can easily get enough protein, doesn’t take much to figure it out.
Marlbovore here -- 12 weeks now. Carnivore + Marlboro. Yup, don't laugh. In addition to going full carnivore I started smoking again and I feel amazing!!! I lost 41lbs, my depression and anxiety are GONE and I actually have more energy. Looks like the medical establishment lied to us again. First about cigarettes, and now red meat. Not only do I feel better but my IBS is history too. Wish I'd done this sooner! Thanks Peter!!!
I don’t care what his data says, IF has more benefits than calorie restriction. My bench press is going up (250 x 8 reps at age 47) and I train chest at 5pm without eating all day and I have all kinds of power. Drink glutamine and black coffee and salt all day. Skin looks younger and stomach is lean.
JeffSeg: I agree with you and am concerned as to why/how Dr. A. can say that with a straight face!! "I.F. leads to induction of adaptive autophagy and increases longevity of eukaryotic cells". Downside, IMO, is this process begins at 24-48 hours of fasting.
Interesting that he maintains that there are not additional benefits to time restricted feeding that go beyond the caloric restriction. The opposite of what Satchin Panda described in the Huberman Lab episode on the topic. He there actually mentioned animal-based trials that did show a significant effect beyond caloric restriction on longevity in mice.
There are psychological and possibly spritual benefits too. When I eat in an 8 hr window it makes me more disciplined in other areas of life.
A big benefit of I.F. is INSULIN! When you time restrict you balance out insulin, keeping it at a sustainable state.
Yes ,I just listened to that .
The benefits of minimising animal protein in a diet have been overwhelmingly documented. One can eat very high levels of protein that are mostly from vegetable sources. I eat 1.6 grams of protein for each kilo of body weight of which 80-90 percent are from vegetable sources and only 10-20 percent from animal sources, primarily high-Omega 3 fish types). The benefits of avoiding or minimising animal protein are overwhelming provided you can make food choices to get your protein level intakes high, which can be done with legumes, soy, whole grains, vegetables, vegetable protein supplements, and yes, a low dose of high-quality animal protein if necessary. Avoiding or minimising animal protein is an inconvenient truth.
Why are you commenting over and over saying the same thing. One comment would do fine. Your seem obsessed.
they've done you mate.
You can actually sort of combine them -- if you have a 6 hour eating period, eat 50g of protein right at the start, and another 50g right at the end.
Exactly, You don’t have to eat all freaking day.
It's a tricky one. I notice diminishing returns when I eat lean protein on OMAD. I feel like I hold more water. Fatty meats seems much cleaner.
The benefit of IF/TRF (for me) is the ability to not have hunger pangs. My mind is still in control. I’m fat adapted & carnivore. I did a 22 mile hike fasted. Never once felt hungry or energy deprived. Feet hurt like hell for a day though. 😊
Same here. I can run 5 miles while in a fasted state witbout feeling energy deprived. Have not seen any loss of muscle mass either for over 4 years.
Jeff Nippard said that according to literature there are no differences between IF and unrestricted feeders in muscle hypertrophy if macros are matched.
i've been doing IF and keto for about 2 years. i also started working out about 3 months ago. i run and i do calisthenics. i found that running works quite well in the morning but workout not so much. it's a bit annoying i have to wait for lunch and then wait for lunch to not make me feel full and THEN i can start working out.
but i have to say, i can work basically a full day without feeling the need to eat and it's not desk work. i've had no trouble whatsoever putting on muscle as long as i watch my protein intake.
I think people need to understand there are caveats to this. This is for people are already healthy looking to go to the next level. If the stats are correct and 75% of the people in the US are obese we are talking about MAYBE 10% fall into this category (Chris falls into this category). For the other 85% restricting your meal times and even going OMAD or one meal a day is going to be a net gain. An extended fast is going to be a net gain for 85% of the people.
Caveat mTOR?
@@petergivenbless900 I believe I get what you are saying but perhaps let me rephrase. What is being talked about in this video we are talking about already healthy people on how to get even healthier. To even be healthy nowadays requires a good deal of discipline and work. This is something unhealthy people for whatever are not doing at the moment. For most of the unhealthy people out there this advice is way too advanced and is most likely not going to be helpful to them.
The one thing I wanted to mention is step 1 for getting healthy is lowering your caloric intake IE getting your eating under control. People who are overweight that is the #1 problem and intermittent fasting is the easiest way of doing that. Once you have regulated when you are eating then step #2 is start regulating what you are eating. This is already asking a lot for most people at this point.
33% of Americans are overweight but not obese with a BMI of 25 to 29.9. 42% of Americans are obese with a BMI of over 30. So those together give the 75% overweight and obese.
100% correct
@@anthonyju6392 " healthy people on how to get even healthier"
Is there any evidence that the additional muscle mass being talked about makes you 'healthier'. Or let me rephrase....how do we define healthy? I am sure the additional muscle is beneficial for performance related things but is this additional protein and eating mean anything in regards to lifespan? Heart disease, cancer...etc.
I really respect Dr Attia's opinions so I'm very curious about intermittant fasting. When I was 20/21 years old (30 years ago) I lost a lot of weight and was in the best shape of my life. This is before the internet and certainly before I ever heard of IF. I was just busy with work and school and ended up only eating in a small window (Usually 4-6 hours). I looked and felt great. I started doing it again recently but I was struggling more now at my age. But the health benefits I've been reading motivated me even more than weight loss.
I read in many sources that Intermittant fasting improves energy, improves liver function, decreases belly fat, reduces cortisol, slows aging of the brain, and aids in autophogy. Are NONE of these things true? 🤔
It is true for me. Healed me too - hypertension and pre-diabetic gone. Lost weight, look & feel good and got rid of my long Covid.
Most of the things you mentioned also happen when you just restrict calories. IF is just a METHOD to restrict calories. Restricting calories is what actually causes most of those things. So whatever method works for you to restrict calories tends to be the best.
Re: "there's nothing beneficial to intermittent fasting beyond the calorie restriction"
There have been a lot of studies that show that fasting increases autophagy. You get an increase in autophagy within the 20h fasting window
This guy is gonna change what he said in another 4-5 years.
How come?
@@thelastpigeon8098Probably cause he already has. I respect him, but him and Dr. Fung are big reasons I got into fasting in the first place.
That’s how it goes with science. Things are always changing and you have to be adaptable.
No one ever touches on bowel transit time (how long meat takes to leave your system) and how acidic it is. While fruit on the other hand is alkalizing.
Petter Attia is highly underrated this guy is a wealth of knowledge gained through experience.
He's a statin pusher. No thanks
He is pretty amazing except in the area of nutrition. He does not really follow a science based approach in reviewing the evidence. He overlays his personal opinion.
@@jackoverton8343 I would not expect more from a meat and eggs pusher.
The the TRE doesn't have any benefit over caloric restriction is a complete nonsense.
The impact on insulin is what matters and it is HUGE.
TRE has benefits over the same amount of calories spread throughout the day. For instance, women in breast cancer remission have a 30% lower recurrence if they have at least 12 hours of fasting a day (probably much more with more hours). The effects on general populations have not been measured yet, but it would not be surprising if there were some.
The majority of the world fast 12 hours when they go to sleep lol
@@MakeMeLothere is no inflammation in gut
Nothing happens with fasting
@@MakeMeLofasting is just like cold water plunging 😂😂😂😂 fake news
Weight loss is only due to the calorie balance, but that does not mean that eating 2000 calories in 1 hour/day is the same as 16hours/day
any youtube video that ends with a question make can be summerized with the word... "no"
I'm so confused. Dr. Attia (who has great credibility in my book) said they're seeing no benefit with IF or long fasts over that of the calorie restriction? What? What about growth hormones that are produced during a longer fast, autophagy, mitophagy, cancer prevention by starving potential cancer cells with a 3 day fast, BDNF to name a few? There are studies that show distribution of the same calories over a short vs longer eating window produced more weight loss in the person who ate the calories in the shorter window. ??
I’m really confused by this as well. I’ve read ton of literature on the benefits of fasting that are independent from calorie restriction. There was a NEJM review that I read recently that highlighted some of the cellular benefits of fasting from only 16 hours. So I’m really interested as to why he said that.
You watch Dr.Berg?
I didn’t hear him address whether or not meat is healthy. He only addressed the misconceptions about mtor.
"Diving into the meaty debate on health and longevity with Dr. Peter Attia - it's like sizzling science on a plate! 🔬🥩 Can't wait to see if meat's the villain or a misunderstood hero in this nutritional story. Pass the popcorn and let's feast on some enlightening insights! 🍿🥗
Another reason to intermittently fast is autophagy. You also don't need more than 1.2g/kg of bodyweight of protein a day, no matter how much muscle you're trying to build. Excess gets turned into fat.
52 years old, I fast 12 to 15 hours a day and eat 3 times during an 8 hour time frame. It's very difficult for me to get more than 150 grams of protein. I'm 6' 3 and 205 and this makes building additional muscle nearly impossible for me.
@@Luke_MoonWalkerwhy do you mention maple syrup?
Taste
@@Luke_MoonWalker can you just simply provide advice without the "youre welcome"? like you were saving someones life? how do you know he isnt allergic to some of that stuff you mentioned or he doesnt like it?
specialtipp is to eat quark 500g mixed with 30g whey than you have around 100g. If you eat meat its also very easy to hit your protein. Cheese is great or if you are vegan supplement protein powder and eat a lot of legumes
I'm in the same physical bracket. Depends on your goals in terms of metabolic health. For me, it's all about insulin balance and mTor modulation. Fasting inhibits mTor, protein activates it (specifically Leucine), so mTor modulates it's not chronically on. High insulin runs deep in my family, so i'm always conscious of it - low carbs are the way to go. Only take in carbs during workout days. Other days go much lower say under 30grams. On work out days go 50 to 75 grams of carbs, mostly Rice.
When I do IF (intermittent fasting) I don't take in protein shakes, like whey, as they are instant insulin spikers. In terms of protein and muscle on IF, I stop eating around 7 to 8pm and have my first meal at 11 to 12noon. I do resistance training before my first meal, then eat 40 to 50 grams of protein, that is to say, 175 grams of chicken breast or 175 grams of Tilapia. I'll eat 50 grams of white rice on those days that I work out. I then snack a few hours later with fruit and nuts then have my second protein meal at around 6 to 7 - 50 to 60 grams of quality protein. I do take 5 grams of creatine during my first meal. Results after 6 months, I've grown more lean muscle than I ever had in the last ten years.
Attia needs to talk to Dr. Chaffee, because what he's saying doesn't add up. If a guy who is 6'3" eats about 2 pounds of meat a day (once) and maintains his muscle mass, it seems like something is wrong in the literature.
I also eat about 1.5 pounds of beef once a day and have more visible muscle mass than Attia.
I guess we're just crazy outliers?
To those new to carnivore- Carnivore diet cured so much for me! I am 5’7” and 47 years young. I update this list as time passes so it is always up to date, newest items at bottom of list. I have been zero carb carnivore (zero plants) for 1 year this Sept. 2023. And yes, carnivore is a permanent lifestyle for me!
* No more perimenopause- completely reversed!
*Period cycles all timed perfect with 4 week intervals.And no PMS symptoms, but only the actual menstrual cycle itself!
*No more night sweats
*No more waking every 2 hours at night!
*It used to take me 20 minutes or longer to fall asleep at night when I would first go to bed at night- before carnivore. Now it takes like a minute or less. Haven’t noticed since I am out fast!
*No more life long eczema
*No more cold hands (may have been Reynold’s disease, never diagnosed.)
*No more cold body temp in general! Used to feel like a reptile - only warm in texas sun. (may have been Raynaud’s disease, never diagnosed.)
*No more IBS symptoms (gas, bloating, stomach pain, constipation, diarrhea)
*No more feeling low energy by 12pm and zombie by 4pm
*No more purple looking hands in winter (may have been Raynaud’s disease, never diagnosed.)
*No more brain fog
*No more arthritis that I felt in hands, knees, and hips- or elbows
*used to have sore hips when sleeping on my side. No more!
*Lost 45+ pounds from former baby weight and peri menopause weight.
*Always had 20/20 vision with slight stigmatism- but in March doctor said my stigmatism is reversing!
*Don’t sunburn as easily anymore and tan well.
*Wrinkles around eyes seem to be much less. I am 46 and look like I am in early 30’s.
*Gums look super healthy. Dentist seems irritated as my teeth are not dirty when cleaning every six months. Think they know they won’t make money off me.
*No more sore chest from monthly periods- no swelling feeling of fullness or discomfort that prevented me from sleeping on my stomach. Now I sleep every night on my stomach!
*Fibrocystic Breast issues reversing! Almost all gone after 6 years of buildup!
*no cravings unless they are for meat
*no more angina symptoms before a period- which started about 3 years ago.
*No more feeling weak like almost passing out and dizzy around ovulation and periods when walking around.
* no more fingers swelling- that started a few years ago- rings kept being tight- is pattern I noticed. One ring I had resized larger and it’s super loose now. Will have to resize smaller.
*feel stronger- now lifting barbells not just hands weights. Dr. Baker said since I am 46, and 5’7” at 122lbs- need more resistance training to add more muscle weight. . So bought a 47lb barbell off Amazon and have 40 extra pounds added to it. Will continue to progress with that.
*Before carnivore- i had started growing grey hairs in one of my eyebrows, few hairs at a time, but no grey in my blonde hair yet - but assumed it was coming. Now on carnivore I have had no new grey hairs growing in eye brows and still no grey hair in my natural blonde hair. And in the sun it gets super light highlights.
* no more body odor!
* I used to get a little anxiety with large crowds- like if attending special events- but since on carnivore I don’t get it that much.
*I was a bit OCD before carnivore, but so much more relaxed so barely like that.
* I was a relaxed person before, but somehow am even more relaxed and never stress about things.
*Since I was a young child my sense of smell has been terrible. But not even a month in on carnivore my sense of smell has gone crazy! I smell things even far away! Amazing!
*no more allergies! I was allergic to cedar and oak pollens- and mold- but since carnivore I am no longer reacting to those outdoor pollens which is amazing!
* I have had no more issues from ear wax build up. Had it twice after having kids and docs would say it was a hormonal problem. Carnivore cured that too!
*Veins in my arms look healthier. They were almost invisible before.
*Legs no longer hurt on longer road trips or plane rides!
*I used to get a popping sounds in my right shoulder when lifting weights. Was probably a pulled ligament. That is now gone!
*I have been lactose intolerant since I was a kid, and I feel my nails are a bit stronger than before. They do break if I catch them on things but I feel they are getting stronger on carnivore.
*My teeth look more white on carnivore.
*My blood pressure has improved on carnivore. 6 years before carnivore up to starting carnivore my blood pressure was increasing. Now on carnivore it is back to normal like when I was younger. Last reading it was 100/75 which is awesome!
*i used to get eye twitches in my eye lids, but that is gone.
* at times when trying to fall asleep I would close my eyes and at times felt dizzy like falling feeling or spinning. But haven’t has that since I have been on carnivore for 12 months.
*the skin on the heals of my feet are no longer cracked and dry! (Newest update added!)
*when laying still in bed to fall asleep at times I would feel dizzy or feel like I was falling through the mattress a bit. I would be laying still and get that suddenly. Felt weird and made it hard to fall asleep. Never diagnosed with vertigo, but it may have been that. I no longer have that since I have been carnivore, which is nice!
*little leak from sneezing or coughing that ladies get from estrogen dominance is gone on carnivore! Hormones balanced so no more estrogen dominance!
*The top inner corner of both my larger toes have felt a little numb for years. Never had it diagnosed. But being 1 year on carnivore I no longer feel that numbness! My nerves have healed in that spot on both toes! Crazy!
*My slightly receding gums behind my center bottom front teeth have rebuilt so gums all over are super healthy! I have flossed daily for years, but gums look even healthier!
If I think of anything else will add. ☺️👍🏻
I know when people go on carnivore they are trying to heal something, but if they aren’t like me and notice small things- they may not notice they are healing way more than they realized- things plant foods were causing! And they need to remember, processed foods are made from plants- but so are whole foods (raw or cooked!) they are all toxic!
The carnivore diet cures! ☺️👌🏻 The body is a network made of multiple gears- and if one gets messed up it causes a whole domino affect of problems like I had! The carnivore lifestyle is not a fad, it’s the ancestral human way of eating! Go Carnivore for a few months and see how you feel! ☺️👍🏻 Dr. Baker, Dr. Chaffee, and Dr. Baker have excellent videos on how to start carnivore!
okay cult member
@@joelwillis2043 carnivore is the human ancestral way of eating.
@@JennifertxCarnivore Ya I'm sure a ancestors were eating nothing but farm raised, hormone injected, plastic ingesting animals. We are omnivores by evolution, pick up a book.
@@joelwillis2043 they ate meat, case closed.
@@JennifertxCarnivore I'll stick to data and not some weird cult.
Satchin panda and Nobel prize winning scientist Yoshinori oshumi would disagree on time restricted feeding having no benefit past caloric restriction.
Jason Fung would as well.
I love Dr. Fung!
In the world of health your information must always be updated with new research!
Its amazing how different pockets of the internet view what is healthy
Ah yes medicine, where everything has infinite nuance.
Trying to stay informed is the mother of all uphill battles.
I never have breakfast, but I always have coffee - a big latte with sugar.
This is the only way I'm able to train effectively in the morning.
And is the reason I always come back to having caffeine after giving it up.
I thought autophagy at 17(ish) hours of intermittent fasting/time restricted eating had science behind it? 🤯🤦♀️
I listen/read quite a bit to Peter, but also Christopher Gardner and Gil Carvalho for example. They are pushing up green, and meat down. They seem to have a fundamental difference in protein requirements and cardiovascular health. I mean, you look at this and it is huge, yet they have no misinformation on their channels. I wish we could see Dan Laymen and Christopher Gardner debate protein and Peter and Gil Carvalho (or someone else) debate. Just for public information more than blue state / red state camp thinking.
What about the health benefits of Autophagy during intermittent fasting? I know Dr Huberman spoke about this. Is Dr Attia contradicting this here? Or is this only about muscle growth and weight loss?
Attia has said he doesn’t think 16 hours off 8 hours on isn’t enough to meaningfully stimulate autophagy. Peter used to do 3 day fasts and 7 days fasts, but he stopped doing them as he didn’t like that there was no biomarker to see if he was getting any benefit from doing them, and he also lost a ton of muscle doing this.
I just eat when I’m hungry. When it’s all meat, that’s 1-3 times a day. Probably best not to overcomplicate it for most people. Studies and thinking on protein metabolism flip flop enough that I don’t think I’ll worry about it more than that unless I come across something that seems more definitive than that.
Attia should debate Longo. Longo got me with his claims about low protein diet . i am scared of protein now.
I have genuine sympathy for you. Makes me sad anyone would make someone scared of such an important macronutrient 😢
Yes I have read many studies on high protein individuals dying early.
@@deflexion3677 not on mice? on humans?
@@tatywork9126 I may be wrong but I have read mice studies and some headlines on humans but nothing concrete. Thats why im taking only 120g of protein instead of 200g. Overdoing anything is not good.
@@deflexion3677 Look up the issues with clinical mice. They are bred to be extremely susceptible to cancer, so anything that reduces their tumour growth leads to longer life. That means many extremely toxic drugs 'appear' to extend lifespan by acting like chemotherapy and therefore get approved, even though the reality is the drugs are toxic to humans. This has been known for over 20 years, yet they nothing was done about it.
Humans are designed to eat fatty meat, so the only time to worry about excess protein is if you're eating lean meat.
It absolutely is beneficial to fast because your body is healing and repairing since it’s not focusing on digestion. This conversation is strictly muscle maintenance based and not actually health based
Eat quality meat. Food is getting expensive and we might not have much in the future!
Not eating and not digesting are huge differences
Hi, Def Interesting. I have literally tried everything. I have been a natural weightlifter/powerlifter/bodybuilder for my whole life. I'm 47 now, weigh about 210, have pretty good strength and am lean. I have eaten 3 meals a day, 5 meals a day, drank protein shakes for about 10 years straight and now eat one meal a day at night. My weight as a junior in high school was 206 over 30 years ago before all of this info. I have always been muscular. It just makes me wonder how much any of this science really plays a role. Maybe I have experienced subtle changes that I didn't notice but since I'm 16 my physique has been super consistent and hasn't changed much although I have tried all of this stuff you guys discuss in these podcasts but just don't think it matters as much as it seems. Homeostasis. You body will always find where it wants to be despite all of this. All of this manipulation takes time and energy to incorporate. If it doesn't make much of a real difference is it worth it. I've seen people that spend so much time setting up meals, logging everything, bloodwork 6 times a year, etc. And they still look like they don't even train. Train hard and smart, eat whole foods and limit the garbage, and sleep good. That is the simplest recipe.
This is why I stopped IF ! Cannot get 200 grams of protein per day
The societies that live the longest eat 90 - 95% plants and the rest is almost always fish. It's not an opinion. So, if your goal is longevity then it's a safe bet to do what the people who live a long time are already doing.
Take a look at Hong Kong if you really think that's true.
your diet isn't the only factor that determines longevity. these societies are far more active, don't even have access to the available foods we have, far less stress, cleaner air, etc etc...
@@Dad_of_War Agreed. Which is why I never said it was the only factor. The guy above points out Hong Kong. Not only do they eat a diet very close to Mediterranean, they have extremely safe travel, low smoking rates, everybody has access to goof healthcare, etc. Eating veggies in a dangerous city still gets you shot or run over by a car at 45.
Specialist carnivores like Lions don’t live very long compared with herbivores in the natural world. For Lions it’s about 15-20 years. For omnivorous Bears it’s about 30-35 years and for herbivorous Gorillas it’s about 50-55 years. For omnivorous humans with cooking technology it’s up to 100 years.
@@TudorIrimescu They are eating a Mediterranean style diet. That proves my point.
Protein consumed in proper portions can be used to build and maintain muscle and bone. Because protein can only be processed for building at a certain rate we should space protein consumption through the day. Excess protein will be converted to glucose.
Hey Chris, you should invite Layne Norton for a podcast! I would love to hear both of you talk!
I have absolute no problem getting 200g of protein a day while doing omad.
How about you bring on Dr Neal Barnard and see what he has to say?
Exactly.
He is a vegan shill. No thanks.
It's bad because IARC (WHO) has classified non processed red meat as class 2a carcinogen and processed meat as class 1 carcinogen.
This was AWESOME. I didn't know about the 25 to 50 grams of protein limits. I was toying with the idea of OMAD, but its never worked for my schedule. I think I'll wait on it until I get more information.
Omad was the single best thing I've done. Fixed all my issues from SAD diet dropped 20lbs, improved mental wellbeing, and put on muscle.
@@jackoverton8343 I've achieved similar results without OMAD on an animal fat and protein diet. I'm not trying to be contentious, I'm just delivering my story. OMAD is appealing to me for the time saving aspect. My schedule keeps me busy and active.
It’s fully okay! And your body absorbs all protein! So if u eat Omad with around 150g protein it’s fully okay. Its bs that the rest is wasted…
I am not sure about the lower limit. Why would protein be converted into glucose if you have consumed the right amount of carbs and that the carbs are sufficient to fill your glycogen store
Eating beef mince while watching. Never felt better. Meat and fruit. Primal.
I want to ask a legitimate question. Did this conversation truly answer the question in the caption.? I am enamored and grateful for their overwhelming knowledge on the subject of fasting and protein intake. But it didn’t really answer anything when it comes to animal protein. Would love to hear a good reply. Thanks
Peter answered that question with Protein is not the cause of chronic mTor activation which many are saying is the cause of disease hence blaming red meat.
It depends what your lifestyle is...if you are working a super hard job physically plus working out it's almost impossible to eat to much meat. I never got diarrhea from meat. I did get diarrhea from overusing protein powder.
I hope not - let's see
IF, has changed my life from not living to living again along with Carnivore diet!
People', are being paid to tell you different!
The more I listen to people on diet, health and fitness the more I realise we have such a variety within the human population that their is no correct answer at all. Its just trial and error and working out what is best for you, hence why studies contradict each other often, too many variables. Apart from obvious stuff like processed foods and doing no exercise etc its determine what works.
Yuppp I agree
I mentally feel significantly more at peace and focused when I intermittently fast. What does the research say regarding this or is it just in my head?
If it’s in your head it’s still real. If you’re experiencing it, it’s something real.
4 meals a day 50 grams of protein each meal while having a 12hr fast. I found has been the most efficient for weight loss while keeping muscle
Well I'm vegan and I'm surviving just fine whereas when I ate meat I was far more overweight before I went vegan around 2014. One thing I noticed is the sheer amount of gas my body passed when initially weaned myself off of red meat, then vegetarian, then two years later vegan. In that time I went down to a slim 180lbs at around 6'1. I went through a few years of alcoholism that nearly killed me but I'm thankfully sober now and I REALLY lost a lot of weight then. My skim also cleared up very nicely.
You can thrive off of a vegan diet, however you have to eat whole food meals instead of just garbage all the time. Potato chips and dairy free ice cream are vegan, but they're by no means healthy.
And then you have the flip side of that… I tried a strict vegan diet for around 6/8 months and found it to be fairly catastrophic to not only my physical appearance (I won’t say health as I wasn’t aware of any legitimate physical health implications) and also, surprisingly my mental health. As someone who is 6ft3, I lost a ton of weight and muscle, struggle with energy, suffered with what could only be described as constant brain fog and ironically it was this period when I was in the worst mental space of my life. As soon as I stopped that diet and began a diet that consisted of quite a high intake of meat per day, every single one of the previous issues I had suffered seemed to subside. Now I will add, I strongly believe quality of meat is extremely important, I now strictly eat grass fed or organic meat but I’ve certainly found this diet to be the one that seems to put my body and mind in the right place.
The important thing is that the conversations keep flowing from both sides respectfully and openly as both sides of this ongoing debate are deeply important to a better understanding on what most efficient human diet is 🙏
@alexmai4568 Again, like I said, you have to make sure you're getting your food from non garbage sources. I really don't know what you're getting at when you say that you developed brain fog. I went vegan and while it was initially weird, it didn't do any of the things to me that you described happened to you. My cholesterol and other blood content are all normal and even thriving. I don't intake any trans fats or cholesterol which are only ever found in animal products. So I don't know. Fake meats are good too but again they are frequently high in sodium, however given that they don't include disgusting things like antibiotics, carbon monoxide to make the meat red, tumor promoting carcinogens, trans fats or cholesterol, they're still better. So even if it isn't 100% the best thing to eat on a vegan diet it's still light years healthier than things like RBST and growth hormones. Yeah you could find animal products without those things but it's just the prospect of how we treat animals- we treat some of the gentlest and most docile creatures in existence worse than we've treated serial killers. I simply refuse to partake in something with such an amoral philosophy behind it, ie the idea that one species can rule over the other with an iron fist. I don't view the mass murder that goes on in the animal agriculture industry ethical and that's the primary reason why I don't eat meat or any animal products for that matter anymore.
also doing well w a vegan diet providing I get my protein requirements and maintain my regular exercise and resistance training. I think these 2 guys are missing the point
Low-carbohydrate diets, low-fat diets, and mortality in middle-aged and older people: A prospective cohort study
Yimin Zhao et al. J Intern Med. 2023.
Conclusions: Higher mortality was observed for overall LCD and unhealthy LCD, but slightly lower risks for healthy LCD. Our results support the importance of maintaining a healthy LFD with less saturated fat in preventing all-cause and cause-specific mortality among middle-aged and older people.
One thing I completely disagree with is him saying IF has no advantage over calorie restriction. That may be true if you're ONLY looking at fat/weight. But in terms of overall health (diabetes, cancer, etc) it's ideal for keeping insulin levels low. Sure, you could do the same with a strict diet, but there are plenty of low calorie foods that spike insulin tremendously.
I found that time restricted carbs was where I was most successful. I ate high protein, moderate fat right after exercising, a high protein, high fat keto lunch, and didn't consume my carbs until dinner.
I ate a delicious bowl of beans with some seeds and vegetables and got 30 grams of protein while watching this. Plus some salsa verde and pico. Added also turmeric, cumin. Absolutely delicious plant-based nutrition. Once you go plant-based, you don’t come back to steak.
Same here!!@
Wrong ! Lol ! You probably only absorbed about half of the protein. You'll find out later in life how bad plant based eating is for your long term health. Lost muscle, weak tendons, atrophyed brain is in your plant based future if you don't include high quality animal and fish proteins. Humans evolved to eat animal based protein, not leaves and seeds ! Lol 🤦
I was plant based and had to go back to steak....
Your body will not absorb all of the protein from the beans and veggies as most of it is bound up in insoluble fibre.
@@TheBainzz porque no los dos?
Other doctors disagree with Attia's claim that IF only benefits caloric restriction and nothing else (look up Dr. Satchin Panda).
Absolutely categorically NO! Just spend a little time round the carnivore community and see for yourself
I eat mostly like this and have done for almost a year and a half now. No more brain fog, no more being tired all the time those are the best benefits I have experienced
Eating carnivore completely changed almost everything about me in a positive way. It’s unbelievable. So happy for any/all of you reading this and getting similar benefits 👍😃👍
Not for or against carnivore diets - just trying to learn. Personally I’m not too into red meat (because I am shit at cooking steak… I plan on being better). In the carnivore community, is red meat like beef way better than chicken? I eat like a lb of chicken a day
@@Dark_Souls_3it’s higher in fat than chicken which is why carnivores tend to prefer beef over chicken. It’s the fat where most of us carnivores are relying on for energy now that we are sugar/carb free. I used to prefer chicken when I used to calorie count in order to drop a bit of weight or get in better shape. But I don’t have to do that anymore these days as my body seems to just regulate my weight on carnivore and I just stay trim 👍
Are there any studies on long term carnivore diets and their effects on longevity?
Might be a good idea to get Brad Schoenfeld on here for a similar topic discussion. Specifically surrounding MPS and the time gap post-exercise to ingest an optimal amount of protein (25-50g?)
Isn't funny how all the obsessing and diets and decades of research all come back to showing a moderate balanced approach being best for most people. When in doubt, listen to your body, not the internet
@@themacocko6311So you’re either a dogmatic Vegan extremist or dogmatic carnivore extremist. Am I correct?
no way, bro. how am i going to be cool and trendy & feel superior to others if i'm not a Carnivore or Vegan? you're out of your mind. omnivore? moderation? get real. lmao!
Man you have to be a scientist to fully understand the lingo of this conversation. I’m leaving with more questions than when I started to watch the video
Meat bad! Eat zee bugs!
When I started my mostly all meat diet, everything in my life became better. I felt better, my mood improved, my sleep improved...I even looked better from losing weight. Don't eat zee boogs. Eat meat
Agree I experienced the same
Can also agree. All negative health issues disappeared and I got unexpected benefits.
So carnivorous Lions have approximately one third of the lifespan of herbivorous Gorillas. Go figure.
@@sophisticatedmammal1826 what a scientific answer that was 👏 really described your point about two completely different species and their relation to us.
We are in fact closer related to chimps than gorillas. What do chimps like eating lots of, could it be they have a taste for some animal flesh.
I do the too much protein and time restricted eating. Can’t eat carbs, I get late evening binges if I eat carbs, to a degree that is eating disorder like. No problem gaining muscle, the eggs/meat/dairy diet combined with TRT works fine for that.
No, of course not.
Ofc yes
@@stx7389 So what you’re meaning to tell me is something we’ve lived off of for thousands of years is now suddenly bad for us?
@@z-rex6068 Yes but dose dependent
This wondering what Mtor stands for - - - MTOR: Many Tacos, Overindulgent Refills
Anyone trying to tell me that meat is bad just gets ignored. Everyone is different but IN GENERAL humans are carnivores and do not thrive without red meat over long term
No
I weigh around 155lbs, go to the gym EVERY day and use heavy weight and have been blessed with a diet of 4-5lbs of fillet and prime rib, nuts and fruit. There's no question, NO QUESTION I recover easily every day and can exercise in the rain and NEVER get sick and my nails and beard grow strong.
I read a John Hopkins graduate level physiology book-The average human uses 400g of protein a day...body builders and athletes know steak, steak , steak
Is Longevity good for your health?
According to Attia in his new book Outlive, better health will reduce the likelihood of e.a cancer, cardio vascular diseases, neurodegenerative disease, or type 2 diabetes and related metabolic dysfunction which are the diseases you most likely will die from. So good health will help with longevity. And you are more likely to have bad health for only a shorter period before you die.
no. but being healthy is good for your longevity.
We need t understand that there is a difference between longevity and health span. In a sentence, Ronald Regan (as with others) had the gift of "lifespan", not "health span". Too bad he suffered from Alzheimer's in his early 80s, He died bedridden ay 93. As Attia writes in his book, one should ask themselves what would the desire to do in their last decade in life? Then, no matter your age, eat clean as possible, and target your workout routine (to include mental conditioning) and life to provide you with the health span you need to reach the end of your lifespan!
@@rms2991 stop trying to make "healthspan" happen, Gretchen. it's not going to happen. it is so not fetch.
rms: "i eat clean & work out to increase my healthspan."
normal person: "wtf is that?"
rms: "healthspan is the amount of time that you are healthy in relation to the totality of years in your actual lifespan or time that you are alive."
normal person: "oh, you mean longevity."
Really annoying that neither of them answered the question of why he stopped longer fasts. He was doing monthly 3 day fasts, and quarterly 7+ day fasts. And then they just spoke about time restricted feeding daily, hinted that the only reason he stopped it was because he lost muscle mass. But did that relate to the longer fasts spread out? There was no link made to that, and no reference to senescence clearing or the key reasons why fasting may impact healthspan
Attia likes the sound of his own voice and spouting back what he’s memorised. He got found out by Professor Bart Kay for his smooth brain takes on nutrition.
What do you mean?
Absolutely. He's such a hack.
Is eating meat no longer correlated to colon cancer in men?
all diets are bad, idk what to choose now
A balanced diet with all food groups.
Unprocessed whole foods with nutrient dense soruces such as red meat,eggs, non mercury fish. With occasional organic vegetables if you want.
Non organic vegetables have way too much pesticides linked to ibs,colitis,IBD,and so on.
Modern fruit is not anywhere near acceptable compared to fruit 50 years ago. It's just full of sugar and lacking in nutrients.
I did this diet like thousands of others with a bit of fasting and all my issues have been resolved.