Excommunication is like a loving parent laying down rules to adult children who still live at home , and if you dont keep those rules you must leave the house , but a parent always leaves the door open if the child repents , then they can come home. It is loving as the final goal and hope is reconciliation and is done for their good.
Agreed. Holding up inclusion as the greatest value is self destructive. God is not all inclusive. He loves all and “desires that all would be saved and come to a knowledge of the Truth” but those who wish to be saved are saved on God’s terms, not their own. Jesus died for our sins and offers us eternal life in Him, but He also calls us to repent of evil and follow Him.
In Catholic canon law, ipso facto is a phrase that means someone automatically loses their membership in a religious body after committing a specific action. However, the phrase latae sententiae is more commonly used to describe ecclesiastical penalties like excommunication. Latae sententiae means that the penalty takes effect even if an ecclesiastical superior or tribunal doesn't pronounce a verdict. Here are some examples of actions that can lead to latae sententiae excommunication: Apostasy from the faith Heresy Schism Using physical force against the pope Attempting to confer a holy order on a woman A priest absolving an accomplice in a sin against the sixth commandment A confessor directly violating the sacramental seal of confession A bishop ordaining someone a bishop without a papal mandate
These are Socialists that push inclusion, not philosophy of religion activists. They could care less about relativism. Shout relativism at them all day long, they won't even know or care about what you are talking about.
The reality is that when someone gets excommunicated, that person excommunicated himself by not obeying the church. The Church always gives you a chance to repent…
Excommunication happens every time one commits a mortal sin. It is a hidden excommunication restored with confession and absolution. Not the same when it comes to a pronouncement from the Pope.
Yes!Those who teach heresy like Fr. Feeney should definitely be excommunicated! Father Leonard Feeney was a Jesuit priest who was a best-selling author and radio celebrity in the United States in the 1940s who taught that “there is no salvation outside the Church” in a very literal sense: all those who did not formally enter the Church would go to hell. All un-baptized babies and all adults who did not formally enter the Church would also go to hell. This put Feeney on a collision course with his archbishop, Boston’s Cardinal Richard Cushing. In 1949, Cardinal Cushing silenced him. Soon after, the Jesuits expelled Feeney from the order. Feeney publicly accused Cushing of heresy, and called upon Pope Pius XII (1939-1958) to issue an ex cathedra (infallible) statement reaffirming the non-negotiable nature of the “outside the Church” doctrine. To Feeney’s apparent surprise, the Holy See refused. Instead, it twice summoned him to appear before the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to explain why he should not be excommunicated. Feeney twice refused. In 1953, Pius XII excommunicated Feeney for heresy.
We forget defending the honour of God when we allow those who do not share intimacy with Truth (God) to be intimate with Him in the wedding banquet (Mass)
As a former Jehovah's witness, shunning is an absolute nightmare. So excommunication while should be allowed shouldn't go to the extremes that the Jehovah's Witnesses go to
I’m just wondering, when did you convert and what arguments for Catholicism helped your conversion, I want to know in case I encounter any Jehovah’s witnesses or non believers, thank you🇻🇦
@Shnitzel_Affe Authority is the number one reason. They claim their founder Charles Russell sat down, read the Bible cover to cover with a concordance and interpreted the scriptures and "put their conclusions to the test". On what basis of authority can a boy with no theological training, claim to be the sole arbiter in interpreting the scriptures and that Bible scholars well before him, who did the same exact thing he did, were wrong? I would encourage you to look up an interview with a man named Tom Cabeen, on the Catholic Truth channel. He was a former JW for 40 years before becoming a Catholic, he goes into great detail that would help you understand them more than what I can present you in a comments section
Yh I've witnessed this its horrifying. someone i knew was a JW and was in a car accident. He had an operation whilst unconscious and they transfused him. the whole community basically black listed him and he ended up suicidal. really tragic.
@@markbollinger1343 Too far from what? Personally, I think that they will find a better relationship with God once the hate from religion is removed from their lives. I've talked to many people who are far happier without religion but retain their trust and love in God.
Good to hear you say that not all people with suffering with psychopathy etc are malicious as we all need jesus and there can ba a tendency to 'demonise' such people god bless.
Christians 'demonise' entire groups of people. They've done so throughout history. It's a tool the church uses, let's call it hate, to help keep people in the 'in group'. 'You don't want to be one of THOSE people, do you?' Jesus is not that answer for many people. Jesus is often the answer for those that need justification....
Very well said! The idea of the church as a ”social club” is desastrous in another way as well: when someone actually wants to enter the Catholic Church they are discouraged because they don’t ”fit in” as I have experienced a couple of times in Spain. I can give examples if someone wants to know.
In many ways it is the greatest social club on Earth, you can go into almost any Catholic church and be among friends and fellow believers. But it is the faith, the mass and the sacraments that tie everyone together, and they come first. If you try to turn it into an ordinary social club, there's nothing to hold people together and things fall apart very quickly.
@ true! The catholic church is a spiritual family and thus it is easy to connect with catholics all over the world and from any country. However, when priests & laypeople converts the local parish to a merely social club it becomes ”exclusive” to that particular group. To make the church totally adjusted to local customs etc is divisive towards the universal church. Center is and must always remain to be Jesus Christ, mass and the sacraments!
Just as the Sacrament of Reconciliation is the _certitude_ that you have truly repented and have been forgiven by God, so too is excommunication public _certitude_ that you have chosen to self-separate from God. One excommunicates one's _self_ for every single instance of committing a mortal sin. You commit a mortal sin; you have self-separated from God. You die with that mortal sin unforgiven still on your soul, God loves you so much that He will allow you to be self-separated from Him for eternity. You *really* don't want that. Disclaimer: We occupy time/space. The spiritual plane exists in a sort of eternal "present". We cannot properly comprehend what that entails. But Hell is nearly infinitely more horrific than we can imagine here in time/space. You want to know what it feels like to be infinitesimal and self-separated eternally from God? Hell is not what you think. Conversely, heaven is beyond any human verbal capacity or comprehension to describe the absolute perfect ecstasy that is to be able see God face to face--and _live_ .
@@mikepoulin3020 The instant a mortal sin is committed, you have voluntarily self-separated from God. You are "excommunicado", meaning "No longer in communion with God". Receiving the Holy Eucharist in such a state is an automatic second instance of mortal sin. And As I stated above, if ecclesial officials of the church become aware of this state, they will certify your self-separation from God, by pronouncing public excommunication upon you. And you must then sincerely (God makes that _that_ call) receive the sacrament of reconciliation before you may again receive the Holy Eucharist. Does this make it clearer?
@@squizza28 1 John 5:17 "17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death." This is the distinction between lesser sin and grave sin, that is, sin that is the _death_ of your communion with God. We in the Holy Mother (Catholic) Church believe that you can only exist in one of two states in the eyes of God. "Sanctifying grace" which is the absence of an unreconciled grave sin on your soul or "mortal sin", which is the presence of one unreconciled grave sin on your soul. One thousand venial sins on your soul still allows you be in the state of "sanctifying grace". One single mortal sin on your soul instantly places you in a state of "mortal sin". A grave sin is a mortal sin. I would not recommend you to be in a state of sanctifying grace with multitudes of venial sins. Such a condition of a greatly weakened conscience makes it _much_ more likely you will give in to the temptation to commit a mortal sin. This is why the sacrament of reconciliation is so vital to our human lives. I lived about 23 years of my life in a state of _persistent_ mortal sin. Only by God's grace and God's mercy did I not die during that time. Because after death, I would have surely been self-separated from God for eternity. Now I am returned to the Holy Mother Church, and I often cry with joy for God's great and wonderful mercy to me when I attend almost daily Mass. Five days out of seven. I still must strive to improve!
I love Cardinal Vigano. However, does not a removal of communion entail a removal of communion? To phrase another way, did not Vigano remove himself from communion with his brother Bishop? (In this case, the Bishop of Rome).
@@rangefinderz5135this might be true, provided that Bergoglio indeed is the bishop of Rome. What Vigano said, though, is that he isn’t. Future history books will tell us who was right. I have no good answer but when someone contradicts the doctrine, I’ll stick to the doctrine, the True Word of God. Who contradicts the doctrine isn’t Catholic, hence can’t hold any office in the Holy Catholic Church. Doesn’t it sound reasonable to you?
But Francis has received "Catholic" politicians like Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi that publicly support abortion, which rather undermines every local bishop trying to defend life and uphold the faith.
Publicly supporting serious sins like abortion actually isn't punished by automatic excommunication. Direct assistance in an abortion (e.g. murdering the child, or driving the mother to the abortion mill) or procuring one both are. Heresy and apostasy both are, as is a priest or bishop who violates the seal of Confession. Public support of abortion is a manifest grave sin, which, if obstinately persisted in, merits denial of Holy Communion. It might also involve heresy, depending on the person's reasoning.
wow. This was a pretty good video. This really shows the beauty of the order of Catholicism. It almost seems like a fairy tale book with the knights and king but in real time. Man, other generations will probably have such a fun time looking back on these days. anyway.... Great job Brian 👍
@@yoofij4724 A pope’s teachings entered into his Magisterium must be assented to with intellect and will. In rare cases with good reason we can withhold assent to non-definitive teachings. We must though try to understand the reasoning behind that teaching and that should lead to assent. A pope’s political beliefs used as an example in his teachings can be rejected. Political beliefs are not teachings on faith and morals. They might be parallel, but say his opinions on global warming we can ignore. We cannot ignore the teaching on taking care of the environment though as it is a traditional Catholic belief
Careful. You could end up being the instrument of your own demise. Whatsoever manner ye shall judge, ye too shall be judged. You could end up being excommunicated for simply holding traditional views.
And that mindset gave us the scandals that we the laity are still paying for. Bergolio serves us , who or what else would you apply that asinine standard to ?.
This is man is a rare pragmatic genius! Why haven’t I heard anyone else propounding this “prescription”.? Such a clear thinker. Well, our USA president just announced his last trip out of the country, courtesy of the taxpayers. He is going to Rome, most likely to pick-up the indulgences Bergoglio promised, as part of their deal.
It seems that only traditional Roman Catholics and people that actually want to be Roman Catholic get excommunicated. Everyone else is just fine the way they are.
Not really. Laetae sententiae excommunications are sometimes announced. But I don't think I have heard of a ferendae sententiae excommunication being imposed - certainly not here in the US.
@@carolynkimberly4021 Priests take a vow of obedience to the pope and their bishop. It means something in Catholicism. Obedience is one way we show our faith per Hebrews
Examples: Biden, James Martin…what is the Pope waiting for?…being Authoritarian today is seeing as something bad, and we can see the consequences of being “inclusive” at all costs…
Dominion theology is spiritual wickedness. And he [Jesus said] said unto them, "The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. *But ye shall not be so* but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve." {Luke 22:25-26} *The elders* which are among you I exhort, *who am also an elder* and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; *Neither as being lords over God's heritage* but being ensamples to the flock. {1 Peter 5:1-3}
I have an older friend whose father was an Austrian Catholic and mother was a Swedish Lutheran. After they got married, the father was excommunicated because he would not guarantee that they would raise their children in the Catholic Church. This was in Austria circa 1940. I had never heard of such a thing. I told my friend that I'm confident that is no longer the case, and it may have even been a particular bishop going rogue back then.
No the Bishop was totally correct in 1940. If you are a believing practicing Catholic, the worse possible thing you could imagine is your children apostacizing from the Church of Jesus Christ in whom salvation is promised into the wilderness and outer darkness of heresy. Even now, a "mixed marriage" between a baptized Catholic to a protesting Christian canonically requires a specific dispensation from the jurisdictional Bishop. And this is only canonical granted if the Catholic parent/spouse is willing to promise/affirm as an oath to raise the children Catholic despite the unbelief of their heretic spouse. I cannot imagine being Catholic, marrying and having children, and not promising to try and raise them Catholic...?
@@TotherWierdo Yes I was raised Catholic under that absurd farce. It seems the church does not believe it can persuade people to join on the merits of its ideas, so they resort to trickery and coercion. The promise to raise me Catholic was binding on my parents. Not me. I left the minute I became an adult.
@@TotherWierdo So people are still excommunicated today for the same thing? I know *many* Catholics that fall into this category. If all in the U.S. who meet this criteria can be excommunicated, it could reduce the Catholic population by about 25%.
I am Catholic, and a pretty conservative one at that, but I do believe that Jesus is the only judge and he is just. If there is no salvation without the Church, the Church must not cut anyone off from the path to salvation. The person can be saved at anytime according to God's will and only He truely understands the heart. As for, mental illness it is beyond our knowledge and not for us to judge. It is possible to inform a person in order to reform without excommunication.
But it should be there, and used, some people are bad, and no matter what we try to inform and reform them from their ways, they are evil, you cannot include evil within the church, as much as we may wish to help them, but I do agree that excommunication should be used in extremes, and even so there should be a way back into the church if they do change
So was St. Paul wrong when he directed the Corinthians to excommunicate one of their number, in Scripture (and therefore while inspired by the Holy Spirit)? Some people can be informed. Others refuse to listen, and cannot be informed until they listen. Excommunication is a way to clearly indicate to them that they really need to listen.
My grandmother was excommunicated in 1953 for divorcing my grandfather. I do t think she was obligated to stay married in an abusive relationship and she was brave to do what she did in that time period. She married again and was married to my step grandfather for 58 years.
@@kennethduckworth7111 In the early Church, there were women given two specific jobs, one of which was to examine women's bodies for evidence of abuse, because the Church does NOT require the woman to stay with an abusive husband, and has not even in the early Church. At that time, I believe she would have turned to the Church for support for the necessities of life, as even then, remarriage was not permitted. That constant Church teaching has ... not always been clearly communicated, in many times and places. Before Europe was converted, women were treated practically as property in many regions, with no right to decline a marriage, must less leave an abusive spouse. Many people never fully converted. Many priests have not given good advice well into the present day. Practical support for victims of abusive spouses has often been lacking. Divorce laws now provide a lot more support for the mothers raising their children, which was not the case in the 50s. But I know people now who are divorced due to an abusive relationship who are going to Mass and receiving Holy Communion while receiving spiritual direction from very traditional priests. For at least one of those, the priest advised her to get out of the relationship and get the divorce - she was going to try to stick it out otherwise. Technically, being obliged to refrain from receiving Holy Communion is a different thing from excommunication. Excommunication may also include a ban on attending Mass, participating in processions, and/or using sacramentals like Holy Water. Everyone who has committed a mortal sin/public grave sin which they have not confessed must refrain from Holy Communion (along with everyone who hasn't fasted according to Church law), but they are still encouraged and obliged to attend Mass.
"Diversity" is the rather obvious subtext here. Not a word about excommunicating those who defraud the worker of their pensions or those who steal medicine or health care from the sick.
I always pray that I become a successful Catholic Social Media Influencer to spread the teachings and Revelations of the Catholic Church and the entire Christendom. I hope and pray the Devotion to the Eucharist and the Holy Souls in Purgatory helps me. In your charity, lets all pray 7 Hail Mary for the propagation of all Catholic Teachings and for the success of all Catholic Social Media Influencer that all may be guided by the Holy Trinity, Holy Family, all Great Saints, and Angels. Our Lady of Rosa Mystica, pray for us
So glad this bloke cut down the length time of his videos. I stopped watchin' him yonks ago because ol' mate would be yappin' off for four hours straight. Ave, Ave Christus Rex ✝️ 🇻🇦 🕊
Yeah I agree discipline needs to be a thing again, especially with social media content creators who seem to think they are the magisterium these days. Hopefully the church starts getting with the times and monitor that
Bobby barron suggested that , quickly abandoned it , who exactly would monitor and enforce it ? . The church has destroyed for the most part the moral authority it should have so these excommunications will be ignored and mocked considering all who are not held to account.
@@Makem12 but if the pope is provably a heretic formally and materially without shadow of doubt…? PS: I’m not accusing Pope Francis of this. I’m speaking purely in scenario.
The relative youth and inexperience of the presenter is showing in this video as is a certain, shall I say, baggage from life, and not a little mixture of politics and social media as well. I perceive an excessive amount of self. Which is common among those with internet audiences. The use of public excommunication, or not using it, is a matter of pastoral prerogative under the judgment of the apostolic leadership of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Many may have opinions this way or that, many may presume to understand the historicity and present situation. However, without the needed grace of ordination and guidance of the Holy Spirit given by the sacrament of ordination, one is FAR less capable in knowing when and how or even whether to employ the various powers available. Sheen is quite right, he was right then, and he is right NOW. It remains to be seen how much clarity and conversion of anyone may be elicited by public proclamations of excommunication and the method and tenor of such things. An example of a good measured response to such things occurred some years ago by a letter from the bishop explaining that a most notable governor of our state was, despite anything you may hear otherwise, is no longer Catholic, and that he was indeed excommunicated by his own actions. The letter was sufficiently clear so as to clear up any questions, while being sufficiently un-public in that it was a letter to the parishioners of each parish, not a "press statement". The wisdom of this approach allowed for reasonable cogitation among Catholics without the undue influences of outside voices, and therefore, could provide space for reflection and repentance among those who themselves may be engaged in sin or supporting of sin. While there may be situations where louder public proclamations of excommunication are needed, it is more likely, louder public teaching about self-excommunication would better serve the purpose. There is no need to drive away those, weak in the faith, poorly catechized, or those searching by vehement proclamations. Many at mass may be quite pagan, depending on the situation and one should be cognizant of teaching the truth in charity in such ways as to be gentle and explicit and truthful, an altogether often failed challenge. It is one thing to teach at one parish and another at a different parish. One must know who can eat meat and who can only handle milk. In no case should truth be hidden, but teaching requires development, explanations, and a reasoned approach to the people in the pews. At one time ONLY well-catechized Catholics were in the pews, today, MANY non-Catholics are there for many reasons, many poorly catechized Catholics are there as well.
(GOD's WORDS to Adam and Eve) (Parenthesis Mine) Genesis 2:16 KJV "And the LORD GOD commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat: 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die" (meaning immediate spiritual death then later physical death). (A third person comes between GOD and mankind and interprets GOD's WORDS establishing a tradition) Genesis 3:3 KJV "Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD GOD had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, has GOD said, You shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, GOD has said, You shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it, lest you die. 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, You shall not surely die: 5 for GOD does know that in the day you eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." (GOD teaches you the truth of the HOLY SCRIPTURES) John 6:45 KJV "It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of GOD. Every man therefore that has heard and has learned of the FATHER comes unto ME." Acts16:14 KJV "And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul."
You know what? Absolutely NOT, as that mechanism even once developed is solid proof that God is the devil *while* He remains God, only because it shuts down the merest possibility of repentance only by having been developed once!
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Excommunication is like a loving parent laying down rules to adult children who still live at home , and if you dont keep those rules you must leave the house , but a parent always leaves the door open if the child repents , then they can come home. It is loving as the final goal and hope is reconciliation and is done for their good.
Agreed. Holding up inclusion as the greatest value is self destructive. God is not all inclusive. He loves all and “desires that all would be saved and come to a knowledge of the Truth” but those who wish to be saved are saved on God’s terms, not their own. Jesus died for our sins and offers us eternal life in Him, but He also calls us to repent of evil and follow Him.
Thank you Brian for your well balanced reporting and logical thinking.
In Catholic canon law, ipso facto is a phrase that means someone automatically loses their membership in a religious body after committing a specific action. However, the phrase latae sententiae is more commonly used to describe ecclesiastical penalties like excommunication. Latae sententiae means that the penalty takes effect even if an ecclesiastical superior or tribunal doesn't pronounce a verdict. Here are some examples of actions that can lead to latae sententiae excommunication:
Apostasy from the faith
Heresy
Schism
Using physical force against the pope
Attempting to confer a holy order on a woman
A priest absolving an accomplice in a sin against the sixth commandment
A confessor directly violating the sacramental seal of confession
A bishop ordaining someone a bishop without a papal mandate
Oh wow good to know this about Vigano and Strickland and other “Catholics” who teach and preach schism against pope Francis and denying his authority
It’s faux compassion.
It’s actually a moral weakness.
I don't always agree with everything you say....but I couldn't agree with you more on this one! Thanks for making us all put on our thinking caps!😊
You’re right. You make so much sense for all the reasons you have given. This is something the bishops should be discussing in their synods.
"Inclusion" = religious relativism
No. Inclusion = equity marxism in the church.
These are Socialists that push inclusion, not philosophy of religion activists. They could care less about relativism. Shout relativism at them all day long, they won't even know or care about what you are talking about.
It is Socialists that push inclusion, not philosophy of religion writers.
No. Anti-inclusion = abolishment of equity marxism in the church. (Inclusion = equity marxism in the church).
Inclusion = equity marxism
Our Bishop excommunicated a priest in our diocese in 2015
What happened?
In my diocese in the late 40s the bishop threatens to excommunicate anyone who participated in beauty pageants lmao
@@Ginger_Guy Good
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Let me guess. He prayed the Pater Noster in Latin.
The reality is that when someone gets excommunicated, that person excommunicated himself by not obeying the church. The Church always gives you a chance to repent…
"Obeying"?? Who do they think they are?
Excommunication happens every time one commits a mortal sin. It is a hidden excommunication restored with confession and absolution. Not the same when it comes to a pronouncement from the Pope.
Yes!Those who teach heresy like Fr. Feeney should definitely be excommunicated!
Father Leonard Feeney was a Jesuit priest who was a best-selling author and radio celebrity in the United States in the 1940s who taught that “there is no salvation outside the Church” in a very literal sense: all those who did not formally enter the Church would go to hell. All un-baptized babies and all adults who did not formally enter the Church would also go to hell.
This put Feeney on a collision course with his archbishop, Boston’s Cardinal Richard Cushing. In 1949, Cardinal Cushing silenced him. Soon after, the Jesuits expelled Feeney from the order.
Feeney publicly accused Cushing of heresy, and called upon Pope Pius XII (1939-1958) to issue an ex cathedra (infallible) statement reaffirming the non-negotiable nature of the “outside the Church” doctrine. To Feeney’s apparent surprise, the Holy See refused. Instead, it twice summoned him to appear before the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to explain why he should not be excommunicated. Feeney twice refused. In 1953, Pius XII excommunicated Feeney for heresy.
Very good and important point! Thank you.
We forget defending the honour of God when we allow those who do not share intimacy with Truth (God) to be intimate with Him in the wedding banquet (Mass)
As a former Jehovah's witness, shunning is an absolute nightmare. So excommunication while should be allowed shouldn't go to the extremes that the Jehovah's Witnesses go to
I’m just wondering, when did you convert and what arguments for Catholicism helped your conversion, I want to know in case I encounter any Jehovah’s witnesses or non believers, thank you🇻🇦
@Shnitzel_Affe Authority is the number one reason. They claim their founder Charles Russell sat down, read the Bible cover to cover with a concordance and interpreted the scriptures and "put their conclusions to the test". On what basis of authority can a boy with no theological training, claim to be the sole arbiter in interpreting the scriptures and that Bible scholars well before him, who did the same exact thing he did, were wrong? I would encourage you to look up an interview with a man named Tom Cabeen, on the Catholic Truth channel. He was a former JW for 40 years before becoming a Catholic, he goes into great detail that would help you understand them more than what I can present you in a comments section
Excommunication is always done with the eye toward repairing. It’s an extreme step to warn someone they have gone too far and need to come back.
Yh I've witnessed this its horrifying. someone i knew was a JW and was in a car accident. He had an operation whilst unconscious and they transfused him. the whole community basically black listed him and he ended up suicidal. really tragic.
@@markbollinger1343 Too far from what? Personally, I think that they will find a better relationship with God once the hate from religion is removed from their lives. I've talked to many people who are far happier without religion but retain their trust and love in God.
Our bishop (in the midwest of the US) excommunicated someone a couple of years ago.
Do you know what for or what the story was?
I was cancelled decades ago from the liberal Church. The way that they treated Bishop Strickland was VICIOUS & NASTY!
Good to hear you say that not all people with suffering with psychopathy etc are malicious as we all need jesus and there can ba a tendency to 'demonise' such people god bless.
Christians 'demonise' entire groups of people. They've done so throughout history. It's a tool the church uses, let's call it hate, to help keep people in the 'in group'. 'You don't want to be one of THOSE people, do you?' Jesus is not that answer for many people. Jesus is often the answer for those that need justification....
Thank you Brian!!!!
I really need videos that you make; recharge in my religious roots! THX
Never thought about this before but 💯agree.
Be careful what you wish for, Brain Holdsworth!
Very well said! The idea of the church as a ”social club” is desastrous in another way as well: when someone actually wants to enter the Catholic Church they are discouraged because they don’t ”fit in” as I have experienced a couple of times in Spain. I can give examples if someone wants to know.
In many ways it is the greatest social club on Earth, you can go into almost any Catholic church and be among friends and fellow believers. But it is the faith, the mass and the sacraments that tie everyone together, and they come first. If you try to turn it into an ordinary social club, there's nothing to hold people together and things fall apart very quickly.
@ true! The catholic church is a spiritual family and thus it is easy to connect with catholics all over the world and from any country. However, when priests & laypeople converts the local parish to a merely social club it becomes ”exclusive” to that particular group. To make the church totally adjusted to local customs etc is divisive towards the universal church. Center is and must always remain to be Jesus Christ, mass and the sacraments!
Don't bother with them then. Join a proper Christian church instead.
Theres a big difference between kindnes/inclusion and confirming someone in their sins.
Just as the Sacrament of Reconciliation is the _certitude_ that you have truly repented and have been forgiven by God, so too is excommunication public _certitude_ that you have chosen to self-separate from God. One excommunicates one's _self_ for every single instance of committing a mortal sin. You commit a mortal sin; you have self-separated from God. You die with that mortal sin unforgiven still on your soul, God loves you so much that He will allow you to be self-separated from Him for eternity. You *really* don't want that.
Disclaimer: We occupy time/space. The spiritual plane exists in a sort of eternal "present". We cannot properly comprehend what that entails. But Hell is nearly infinitely more horrific than we can imagine here in time/space. You want to know what it feels like to be infinitesimal and self-separated eternally from God? Hell is not what you think.
Conversely, heaven is beyond any human verbal capacity or comprehension to describe the absolute perfect ecstasy that is to be able see God face to face--and _live_ .
You confuse the effects mortal sin with excommunication... they are not the same.... you need to go study some more...
No such thing in scripture.
@@mikepoulin3020 The instant a mortal sin is committed, you have voluntarily self-separated from God. You are "excommunicado", meaning "No longer in communion with God". Receiving the Holy Eucharist in such a state is an automatic second instance of mortal sin. And As I stated above, if ecclesial officials of the church become aware of this state, they will certify your self-separation from God, by pronouncing public excommunication upon you. And you must then sincerely (God makes that _that_ call) receive the sacrament of reconciliation before you may again receive the Holy Eucharist. Does this make it clearer?
@@squizza28 1 John 5:17 "17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death." This is the distinction between lesser sin and grave sin, that is, sin that is the _death_ of your communion with God. We in the Holy Mother (Catholic) Church believe that you can only exist in one of two states in the eyes of God. "Sanctifying grace" which is the absence of an unreconciled grave sin on your soul or "mortal sin", which is the presence of one unreconciled grave sin on your soul. One thousand venial sins on your soul still allows you be in the state of "sanctifying grace". One single mortal sin on your soul instantly places you in a state of "mortal sin".
A grave sin is a mortal sin.
I would not recommend you to be in a state of sanctifying grace with multitudes of venial sins. Such a condition of a greatly weakened conscience makes it _much_ more likely you will give in to the temptation to commit a mortal sin. This is why the sacrament of reconciliation is so vital to our human lives.
I lived about 23 years of my life in a state of _persistent_ mortal sin. Only by God's grace and God's mercy did I not die during that time. Because after death, I would have surely been self-separated from God for eternity. Now I am returned to the Holy Mother Church, and I often cry with joy for God's great and wonderful mercy to me when I attend almost daily Mass. Five days out of seven. I still must strive to improve!
isn't Cardinal Vigano excommunicated this year?
Excommunicated by who? Heretics.
He committed a huge sin. He didn't like the ideas of the Pope.
Probably Fr. James Martin will take Bishop Vigano's place.
I love Cardinal Vigano. However, does not a removal of communion entail a removal of communion?
To phrase another way, did not Vigano remove himself from communion with his brother Bishop? (In this case, the Bishop of Rome).
@@rangefinderz5135this might be true, provided that Bergoglio indeed is the bishop of Rome. What Vigano said, though, is that he isn’t.
Future history books will tell us who was right.
I have no good answer but when someone contradicts the doctrine, I’ll stick to the doctrine, the True Word of God.
Who contradicts the doctrine isn’t Catholic, hence can’t hold any office in the Holy Catholic Church. Doesn’t it sound reasonable to you?
Agree 100%. Justice must not only be done but be seen being done.
Aren't there cases where excommunication is automatically happening? Such us publicly supporting serious sins such as abortion?
But Francis has received "Catholic" politicians like Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi that publicly support abortion, which rather undermines every local bishop trying to defend life and uphold the faith.
And grave sin like denouncing the pope
Publicly supporting serious sins like abortion actually isn't punished by automatic excommunication. Direct assistance in an abortion (e.g. murdering the child, or driving the mother to the abortion mill) or procuring one both are. Heresy and apostasy both are, as is a priest or bishop who violates the seal of Confession.
Public support of abortion is a manifest grave sin, which, if obstinately persisted in, merits denial of Holy Communion. It might also involve heresy, depending on the person's reasoning.
We should start with Bergoglio.
The Pope does not excommunicate heretics, but he excommunicates someone who just does not like him.
Or anyone who is rigid.
Encouraging disputation with the Pope is ok, yeah?
You mean Viganó? Do you REALLY think “not liking Pope Francis” was the issue? People like this are an embarrassment to the faith.
@@masterchief8179 I know there is more to it. I was speaking with tongue in cheek. Attempted humor. Maybe I was not successful?
@@Kitiwake Yes, of course it is. But there should be discretion in these disputations. And in the end, the Pope is the Pope.
wow. This was a pretty good video. This really shows the beauty of the order of Catholicism. It almost seems like a fairy tale book with the knights and king but in real time. Man, other generations will probably have such a fun time looking back on these days. anyway.... Great job Brian 👍
Read Donum Veritalis and you will see why these priests were fired.
Excommunication should start at the of the leadership when that omit the truth . 20… ring a bell ?
Viga-knows all about excommunication
If you don't have the same attitude to diversity for instance as the Vatican or pope, does that count as not submitting to the Roman Pontiff?
There is a writing from Cardinal Ratzinger that informed the confused faithful that they can disagree with then Pope JP II on the death penalty.
@@yoofij4724
A pope’s teachings entered into his Magisterium must be assented to with intellect and will. In rare cases with good reason we can withhold assent to non-definitive teachings. We must though try to understand the reasoning behind that teaching and that should lead to assent.
A pope’s political beliefs used as an example in his teachings can be rejected. Political beliefs are not teachings on faith and morals. They might be parallel, but say his opinions on global warming we can ignore. We cannot ignore the teaching on taking care of the environment though as it is a traditional Catholic belief
@@CatholicNicklas thank you. So should we adopt this spirit of trying to be inclusive and less confrontational?
@@paulmualdeave5063 thank you. Because the way the church is going. It's just what extent do we share the mind of the pope yk?
@yoofij4724 You don't have to endorse the Kalergi plan to be Catholic
We at a bare minimum need a form of excommunication lite if we're going to avoid issuing full excommunications.
Careful. You could end up being the instrument of your own demise. Whatsoever manner ye shall judge, ye too shall be judged. You could end up being excommunicated for simply holding traditional views.
That quote is in reference to ones soul judging another's soul is wrong, not thier actions, analyze it in the proper context.
We need more people praying for the Pope.And fewer telling him how he is supposed to be doing his job.
And that mindset gave us the scandals that we the laity are still paying for. Bergolio serves us , who or what else would you apply that asinine standard to ?.
@@RickW-HGWTHopefully everything
This is man is a rare pragmatic genius! Why haven’t I heard anyone else propounding this “prescription”.? Such a clear thinker. Well, our USA president just announced his last trip out of the country, courtesy of the taxpayers. He is going to Rome, most likely to pick-up the indulgences Bergoglio promised, as part of their deal.
It seems that only traditional Roman Catholics and people that actually want to be Roman Catholic get excommunicated. Everyone else is just fine the way they are.
Excommunication still exists. It has happened recently. This is not an actual issue.
Abp of Denver cancelled a good priest who dared to question his methods
Not really. Laetae sententiae excommunications are sometimes announced. But I don't think I have heard of a ferendae sententiae excommunication being imposed - certainly not here in the US.
@@carolynkimberly4021
Priests take a vow of obedience to the pope and their bishop. It means something in Catholicism. Obedience is one way we show our faith per Hebrews
@@carolynkimberly4021Fr N was not excommunicated, he was barred from public preaching temporarily.
@@paulmualdeave5063 Francis has proved himself to be an enemy of the Faith teaching errors. "Error has no rights" Aquinas.
The secrecy is unnecessary.
Who was the Catholic philosopher who one day learned that he no longer had a job? Rist?
Vigano?
Examples: Biden, James Martin…what is the Pope waiting for?…being Authoritarian today is seeing as something bad, and we can see the consequences of being “inclusive” at all costs…
Dominion theology is spiritual wickedness.
And he [Jesus said] said unto them, "The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
*But ye shall not be so* but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve."
{Luke 22:25-26}
*The elders* which are among you I exhort, *who am also an elder* and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
*Neither as being lords over God's heritage* but being ensamples to the flock.
{1 Peter 5:1-3}
It's pronounced psychopathy not psychopathy
I don’t think INCLUSIVITY is a cardinal virtue!!
I have an older friend whose father was an Austrian Catholic and mother was a Swedish Lutheran. After they got married, the father was excommunicated because he would not guarantee that they would raise their children in the Catholic Church. This was in Austria circa 1940. I had never heard of such a thing. I told my friend that I'm confident that is no longer the case, and it may have even been a particular bishop going rogue back then.
No the Bishop was totally correct in 1940.
If you are a believing practicing Catholic, the worse possible thing you could imagine is your children apostacizing from the Church of Jesus Christ in whom salvation is promised into the wilderness and outer darkness of heresy.
Even now, a "mixed marriage" between a baptized Catholic to a protesting Christian canonically requires a specific dispensation from the jurisdictional Bishop.
And this is only canonical granted if the Catholic parent/spouse is willing to promise/affirm as an oath to raise the children Catholic despite the unbelief of their heretic spouse.
I cannot imagine being Catholic, marrying and having children, and not promising to try and raise them Catholic...?
@@TotherWierdo Yes I was raised Catholic under that absurd farce.
It seems the church does not believe it can persuade people to join on the merits of its ideas, so they resort to trickery and coercion.
The promise to raise me Catholic was binding on my parents. Not me. I left the minute I became an adult.
@TotherWierdo Absolutely right on every point! The bishop was simply being Catholic. It's sad how every form of discipline is seen as bad 😏
@@TotherWierdo So people are still excommunicated today for the same thing? I know *many* Catholics that fall into this category. If all in the U.S. who meet this criteria can be excommunicated, it could reduce the Catholic population by about 25%.
They were raised going to Catholic school and attending a Lutheran church. So even after he was excommunicated, he still sent them to Catholic school.
I am Catholic, and a pretty conservative one at that, but I do believe that Jesus is the only judge and he is just. If there is no salvation without the Church, the Church must not cut anyone off from the path to salvation. The person can be saved at anytime according to God's will and only He truely understands the heart. As for, mental illness it is beyond our knowledge and not for us to judge. It is possible to inform a person in order to reform without excommunication.
But it should be there, and used, some people are bad, and no matter what we try to inform and reform them from their ways, they are evil, you cannot include evil within the church, as much as we may wish to help them, but I do agree that excommunication should be used in extremes, and even so there should be a way back into the church if they do change
So was St. Paul wrong when he directed the Corinthians to excommunicate one of their number, in Scripture (and therefore while inspired by the Holy Spirit)?
Some people can be informed. Others refuse to listen, and cannot be informed until they listen. Excommunication is a way to clearly indicate to them that they really need to listen.
Hey, what happened to the cancel culture?
brian is such a bootlicker dude lol
But they do? Vigano and many sspx have been rightly excommunicated.
My grandmother was excommunicated in 1953 for divorcing my grandfather. I do t think she was obligated to stay married in an abusive relationship and she was brave to do what she did in that time period. She married again and was married to my step grandfather for 58 years.
Unless I am wrong civil divorce was never punished by excommunication.Remarriage was.
She was likely excommunicated for getting married without an annulment
@ whatever. She’s made her peace with God. As far as I know she never took communion until my grandfather died.
@@kennethduckworth7111 In the early Church, there were women given two specific jobs, one of which was to examine women's bodies for evidence of abuse, because the Church does NOT require the woman to stay with an abusive husband, and has not even in the early Church. At that time, I believe she would have turned to the Church for support for the necessities of life, as even then, remarriage was not permitted.
That constant Church teaching has ... not always been clearly communicated, in many times and places. Before Europe was converted, women were treated practically as property in many regions, with no right to decline a marriage, must less leave an abusive spouse. Many people never fully converted. Many priests have not given good advice well into the present day. Practical support for victims of abusive spouses has often been lacking. Divorce laws now provide a lot more support for the mothers raising their children, which was not the case in the 50s. But I know people now who are divorced due to an abusive relationship who are going to Mass and receiving Holy Communion while receiving spiritual direction from very traditional priests. For at least one of those, the priest advised her to get out of the relationship and get the divorce - she was going to try to stick it out otherwise.
Technically, being obliged to refrain from receiving Holy Communion is a different thing from excommunication. Excommunication may also include a ban on attending Mass, participating in processions, and/or using sacramentals like Holy Water. Everyone who has committed a mortal sin/public grave sin which they have not confessed must refrain from Holy Communion (along with everyone who hasn't fasted according to Church law), but they are still encouraged and obliged to attend Mass.
I don't need to be excommunicated. I left 50 years ago....lol
What happened
Spiritual suicide.
"Diversity" is the rather obvious subtext here. Not a word about excommunicating those who defraud the worker of their pensions or those who steal medicine or health care from the sick.
I always pray that I become a successful Catholic Social Media Influencer to spread the teachings and Revelations of the Catholic Church and the entire Christendom. I hope and pray the Devotion to the Eucharist and the Holy Souls in Purgatory helps me. In your charity, lets all pray 7 Hail Mary for the propagation of all Catholic Teachings and for the success of all Catholic Social Media Influencer that all may be guided by the Holy Trinity, Holy Family, all Great Saints, and Angels.
Our Lady of Rosa Mystica, pray for us
If it redounds to God's glory and your good, it shall come to pass. But you must simply start.
Too Canadian
So glad this bloke cut down the length time of his videos. I stopped watchin' him yonks ago because ol' mate would be yappin' off for four hours straight.
Ave, Ave Christus Rex ✝️ 🇻🇦 🕊
Yeah I agree discipline needs to be a thing again, especially with social media content creators who seem to think they are the magisterium these days. Hopefully the church starts getting with the times and monitor that
Bobby barron suggested that , quickly abandoned it , who exactly would monitor and enforce it ? . The church has destroyed for the most part the moral authority it should have so these excommunications will be ignored and mocked considering all who are not held to account.
YUCK! Friendship over discipline? How gay!
Is it possible to excommunicate a pope?
The answer depends on which denomination you're a part of.
Yes. It's called schism.
NO
@@Makem12 but if the pope is provably a heretic formally and materially without shadow of doubt…?
PS: I’m not accusing Pope Francis of this. I’m speaking purely in scenario.
@@ignotus_amicus A heretic is a non-Catholic and cannot be the pope.
The relative youth and inexperience of the presenter is showing in this video as is a certain, shall I say, baggage from life, and not a little mixture of politics and social media as well. I perceive an excessive amount of self. Which is common among those with internet audiences.
The use of public excommunication, or not using it, is a matter of pastoral prerogative under the judgment of the apostolic leadership of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Many may have opinions this way or that, many may presume to understand the historicity and present situation. However, without the needed grace of ordination and guidance of the Holy Spirit given by the sacrament of ordination, one is FAR less capable in knowing when and how or even whether to employ the various powers available.
Sheen is quite right, he was right then, and he is right NOW.
It remains to be seen how much clarity and conversion of anyone may be elicited by public proclamations of excommunication and the method and tenor of such things.
An example of a good measured response to such things occurred some years ago by a letter from the bishop explaining that a most notable governor of our state was, despite anything you may hear otherwise, is no longer Catholic, and that he was indeed excommunicated by his own actions. The letter was sufficiently clear so as to clear up any questions, while being sufficiently un-public in that it was a letter to the parishioners of each parish, not a "press statement".
The wisdom of this approach allowed for reasonable cogitation among Catholics without the undue influences of outside voices, and therefore, could provide space for reflection and repentance among those who themselves may be engaged in sin or supporting of sin.
While there may be situations where louder public proclamations of excommunication are needed, it is more likely, louder public teaching about self-excommunication would better serve the purpose.
There is no need to drive away those, weak in the faith, poorly catechized, or those searching by vehement proclamations. Many at mass may be quite pagan, depending on the situation and one should be cognizant of teaching the truth in charity in such ways as to be gentle and explicit and truthful, an altogether often failed challenge. It is one thing to teach at one parish and another at a different parish. One must know who can eat meat and who can only handle milk.
In no case should truth be hidden, but teaching requires development, explanations, and a reasoned approach to the people in the pews.
At one time ONLY well-catechized Catholics were in the pews, today, MANY non-Catholics are there for many reasons, many poorly catechized Catholics are there as well.
(GOD's WORDS to Adam and Eve) (Parenthesis Mine)
Genesis 2:16 KJV "And the LORD GOD commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat: 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die" (meaning immediate spiritual death then later physical death).
(A third person comes between GOD and mankind and interprets GOD's WORDS establishing a tradition)
Genesis 3:3 KJV "Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD GOD had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, has GOD said, You shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, GOD has said, You shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it, lest you die. 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, You shall not surely die: 5 for GOD does know that in the day you eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."
(GOD teaches you the truth of the HOLY SCRIPTURES)
John 6:45 KJV "It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of GOD. Every man therefore that has heard and has learned of the FATHER comes unto ME."
Acts16:14 KJV "And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul."
You know what? Absolutely NOT, as that mechanism even once developed is solid proof that God is the devil *while* He remains God, only because it shuts down the merest possibility of repentance only by having been developed once!