The whole problem is the Protestants have a different definition of worship. Their worship is Catholic veneration. Catholic worship is the sacraments. Not singing, not praying, not praising…Divine union through sacrament and liturgy. Catholics don’t receive the body and blood of Mary, they don’t confess to Mary, they don’t baptize in the name of Mary. Mary is not the image that hangs above every Altar in every Church. But yes, Catholics do venerate her and honor her and request her intercession because one of Christs last words was to confer her motherhood to His church.
@ I’m not Jewish but I did recently do a Hebrew word study for “worship” because I noticed in the Strongs Concordance that the word “shahhah” was sometimes translated as worship and sometimes translated as “bow” or “submit” and would refer to humans bowing to other humans. So I looked for instances where a type of worship was considered sinful to figure out the distinction. It appears to me that an act of offering or sacrifice was the specific type of worship that was exclusive to God. They could venerate holy people and even objects such as the ark of the Covenant (a pre-figuration of Mary) but they could only offer sacrifice to YHWH. This is because the act of sacrifice symbolized matter being transmuted into Spirit.
@@claritasyoutubechannel3312 just do a Google search on how Jews back then and still today worship God. Their worship does not only constitute sacrifice.
@@joshuarivera2422 You know who I'll bet understood the distinction between veneration and worship? King James who was bowed to and referred to as "your worship." Funny...
As a former Protestant i can say that the typical, and even well versed, Protestant doesn't know these let things: What prayer actually is (the definition mostly) What worship is That Mary is the arc of the New Covenant What a Jewish queen was or did When i learned all this the veil of propaganda lifted off my eyes.
Amen and God has blessed you. Every Protestant I explain these things you have mentioned to they are so brainwashed by lies and propaganda to not even want to listen to anyone who is not one of themselves.
I think the biggest reason has to do with Protestantism building on top of bad philosophy. When it comes to religion, these bad philosophies emphasize internal inspiration and things like conviction. So matters of faith and worship become dominated by emotionalism and strict definitions, precision, and even reason become largely absent. Things tend to get accepted because they sound good than whether they are well reasoned. This is why in Protestantism, you will not find too many, if any, strict definitions on matters like worship and prayer etc.
@@eufrosniad994Thank you for this well thought out but accurate description. It helps put things into perspective for me on how to be better patient when discussing things with Protestants on the Eucharist.
@@eufrosniad994In my occasional spats with a Fundamentalist buddy of mine, I’ve never seen him once make a philosophical argument, and only once did he ever make anything akin to a historical claim. It seems Protestantism’s entire apologetical methods boils down to throwing a heap of cherry-picked Bible verses at people and hoping that’s persuasive.
Catholicism calls for aid and Orthodoxy will answer!! It is truly meet to bless you, O Theotokos, ever-blessed and most pure, and the Mother of our God. More honorable than the Cherubim, and more glorious beyond compare than the Seraphim, without defilement you gave birth to God the Word. True Theotokos we magnify you!
The more I as a protestant study the ancient church (Pre-Constantine), the more it looks more and more Catholic. If Catholicism was a heresy, the early church fathers would have decried it just like they did the Christological heresies of the time. The people of the early church were very devout. They had to go thorough 3 years of catechized training. Catholicism or what Protestants call paganism, did not creep in though the flock upwards. Rather Catholicism developed from the top down and was encouraged by the leadership on the early church. Not normally how a conspiracy develops in a human institution.
Except that the pre Nicene church doesn't support the concept of the Catholic Church at all. So. What exactly are you reading? The Catholic Church would have had them killed as heretics.
But I can understand that after years of Catholic indoctrination in schools and media and Hollywood how people would want to carry water for the elites.
Good points, and a refreshing, lucid honesty from you, sir. There are so many examples of this. The Church functioned as a true Body, with the Church fathers acting as the immune system against heresy and derision. Interesting thing is...the first 3 centuries, until Constantine, were fraught with persecution, and the Christians were regularly in flight from danger. This dispersed Christians worldwide. Once Constantine legalized Christianity, it finally gave the Church breathing room to galvanize, solidify and define Her doctrine. Amazingly enough, when Church fathers from around the world convened Ecumenical Councils in the 300's, they found that, even though the church groups had been separated by so much space & time, the form of worship/liturgy and doctrines were nearly identical. Those who devoted themselves to the Apostles' teaching, even hundreds of years later, kept the deposit of faith intact. THAT'S the Body of Christ. That's Catholicism. Give the Church time, and she'll root out all maladies.
The Church Father’s aren’t the standard. Heck, they’re not even a standard at all. The only standard is the Bible (which was written by the apostles and the patriarchs before the fathers). Put not man before God.
@@biblestudent4726 only the open minded and humble and sincere seeker can perceive truth. Those with preconceived mindsets will keep groping in the dark. Ultimately FAITH is a GIFT AND GRACE FROM THE LORD.
We do worship Mary. Do not apologize for it. Traditionally understood to worship doesn't mean divine worship (latria) but just the highest form of Honor. Even in the Bible people like Abraham were worshipped.
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@@petros-petradude worship requires sacrifice lol. We don’t worship Mary. We venerate her.
@@petros-petra how to explain it to someone who is not familiar with english? me for example, there is no translation abour "worship" in portugues. We use words "veneração" which resembles "veneration", also "adoração" which means "adoration". I have problems to deal with this term "worship", i simply dont use it while talking to someone that is english speaker, and i know the context of "worship" somewhat like veneration, but its very gray zone to explain to newcomers catholics. Yet its simplier to say honor to saints, high honor to Mary, and adoration spot with latria intenton only to God. Yes, some protestants have lowish standart for what is worship, which implies offering to God, which is done during mass, also the intention of heart (i recognize this being as God) which doesnt happen to Mary or any just/saint/angel. And some would mention the bow, but romans mocked Jesus while bowing to Him, does it means they had intention of worship or being humble? Mary has superior status in grace than anyone, that's why we bow and knee, but the intention of worship is only to Jesus, specially during offerings and His Eucharistical Body exposition. You can kiss a image of some saint, but you cannot kiss and have intimacy to touch Him like touching some creature, as our lips and hands are in dirt. This is another sign of ultimate respect towards God, not in veneration, but adoration in sense of latria.
@@rubemartur8239 You're exactly right, it's all about the intention. Unfortunately we live in a world of confusion and it might be wiser to avoid using the word worship in relation with the Saints. But we should also never lie about the fact that we do. The safest option is to stick to words that wont cause further confusion, i.e. honor/veneration and adoration (while all can be applied to God ofc)
@@petros-petra I would say this is simply a case of language shift. Living languages are constantly evolving. The word worship, while it has it's roots in giving proper worth to something or someone, is understood by most today as latria. Therefore when speaking about dulia, I think the terms honor and veneration work better in Modern English.
How many people keep photos of those who they love in their homes, and even kiss them? Respect and reverence are not the same as worship. There is no need for complicated arguments! +
@@martinploughboy988 She's mine. Jesus gave her to all of us when He gave her to John, but you can disown her if you want. " Catholics.. venerate her and honor her and request her intercession because one of Christs last words was to confer her motherhood to His church." Pageu23
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Protestants don’t know what the word worship is. It requires sacrifice. Praying is different than worship.
So you can pray to other Gods, but as long as you don't offer them a sacrifice is not worship?
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@@joshuarivera2422 read the Old Testament dude and what was sacrifice . Christ shed his blood once and for all in the cross but left us the Eucharist which was foretold in Malachi 1 verse 11. Protestants surely lack what worship is since they don’t have valid ordination or basically a priesthood.
Hail Mary, full of grace, The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, And blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, Pray for us sinners, Now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Where is the worshiping part? Where does it say that she's at the level of Jesus? Where does it say that she is the neck that makes Jesus nod?
There is no worship without sacrifice. Therefore, there is no worship without the Eucharist. Never, in the history of the Church has the sacrifice of the mass ever been offered to the Blessed Virgin Mary. So to say we worship her is pure ignorance, because only someone who doesn't know what worship is can say such an absurdity. Protestants confuse prayer with worship, because their father the devil has deceived them.
Well you have taken scripture and added stuff to it but recite that as if it was a direct reading of scripture. As he was speaking, a woman in the crowd called out, “God bless your mother-the womb from which you came, and the breasts that nursed you!” Jesus replied, “But even more blessed are all who hear the word of God and put it into practice.”❤ "EVEN MORE BLESSED" than Mary are those who hear the word of God and put it into practice. Also you are "hailing" Mary and calling her the "Mother of God"...and then you pray to her as if she is God. God did not say that we need to pray to Mary in order to be saved...nor anything close to that either. You have been deceived! Believe on the Lord Jesus and thou shalt be saved...not Jesus AND Mary. Come on!❤my friend, get with Him!
@@ReginaCæliLætare If you care about me and love me then please explain to me, what is wrong with what i have said? If i am in error, then please explain to me what error. Instead of just calling what i said "a bunch of babble", and then insult me as if what i have said is as a display of ignorance. How so, how am ignorant in what i have said? ❤i love YOU! YOUR life and YOUR SOUL MATTERS to me!❤my friend.
@@barrycharlesbrebner No, I won't. These topics have been covered ad nauseam. I have no duty to educate you on readily available information. You have no excuse to not open the Catechism of the Catholic Church and read for yourself. Doing otherwise is willful ignorance on your part.
Why do u need an intersesser? Can u not pray? Do u not have the Holy Ghost? We could sort this out with a scientific test. 100 people pray to Mary 100 pray to Jesus. Record how many prayers are answered over say 3 months. Most answers wins. 😊
@@matthewashman1406 Does or does not your bible exhort us to pray constantly for each other? Per Revelation, is there a Church which worships in heaven? Then there are prayers in heaven. OH! Revelation 5:8 and 8:5. You CANNOT PRAY DIRECTLY TO GOD. That is arrogant. He is no respecter of you! The Saints and Angels RECEIVE your prayers and present them to the Father. Now THAT"s intercession! Just read ALL of your bible and not 5-7 verses.
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
@@evelynyvargas As he was speaking, a woman in the crowd called out, “God bless your mother-the womb from which you came, and the breasts that nursed you!” Jesus replied, “BUT EVEN MORE BLESSED are all who hear the word of God and put it into practice.”❤
I am a cradle Catholic, 74 years old, and as a young man, I didn’t take my faith for granted. I started searching for reasons to remain in the Catholic Church and spent decades exploring and questioning. In the end, I realized that I was already in the place I truly belonged. I find it amusing when non-Catholics try to tell me how I worship or what I believe as in, for example, the case of “worshiping Mary”. It’s strange that, even when I explain my faith to them, they act as though I’m lying or withholding something. Why would I hide what I genuinely believe? I am genuinely interested in converting them.
Can you help me understand, he says that the pagans prayed to idols because they wanted something in return. And that catholic pray to saints only to draw closer to Christ. My question is then , I have heard that if you have back pain to pray to st Gemma. Or if you’re struggling with lust, pray to st Joseph. Is that also the same concept as a pagan, to pray in order to receive something ?
@@AncientCornelius From a Catholic’s perspective, the veneration of Mary and the saints is fundamentally different from pagan idol worship or seeking favors from false gods. Here's how Catholics understand and practice this aspect of their faith: Veneration vs. Worship Catholics do not worship Mary or the saints. Worship is reserved for God alone. Instead, Catholics venerate the saints and give special honor to Mary, as the Mother of God. This veneration is similar to how we might honor our own family members or respected figures in society, but elevated due to their closeness to God. Intercessory Prayer When Catholics pray to saints, they are actually asking the saints to pray to God on their behalf. This is called intercessory prayer, and it's based on the belief that those in heaven are alive in Christ (as in the Body of Christ) and can intercede for us. This practice is rooted in Scripture: 1. "Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working." (James 5:16) 2. In Revelation 5:8, we see the saints in heaven offering the prayers of those on earth to God: "And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." Biblical Foundation The concept of asking others to pray for us is well-established in the Bible: 1. St. Paul frequently asks others to pray for him (Romans 15:30-32, Ephesians 6:19, Colossians 4:3, 1 Thessalonians 5:25). 2. Jesus himself prays for others (John 17:9, Luke 22:32). Examples of Holiness Catholics look to the saints as examples of holiness and faith. Their lives serve as inspirational models for how to follow Christ more closely. This is in line with St. Paul's exhortation: "Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ" (1 Corinthians 11:1). Specific Patronages While certain saints are associated with particular needs (like St. Gemma for back pain or St. Joseph for chastity), this is not about seeking favors from the saints themselves. Rather, it's about asking these saints, who have demonstrated particular virtues or experienced similar struggles, to intercede with God on our behalf. The ultimate source of any grace or healing is always God. Communion of Saints This practice is part of the Catholic belief in the communion of saints - the spiritual union of all members of the Christian church, whether in heaven, on earth, or in purgatory. We are all part of the Body of Christ, and death does not sever this connection. The soul lives on. In essence, Catholic veneration of saints is about recognizing the holiness of those who have gone before us in faith, seeking their prayers, and striving to follow their example in our own journey towards Christ. It's not about worshiping them or seeking favors from them directly, but about strengthening our connection to the entire Christian family and, ultimately, drawing closer to God.
@@crazyedswonderfulworldofso9370 thank you for that . But my question is how isn’t praying to saints for specific things not transactional self benefit ?
@@AncientCornelius Thanks for your follow-up question. It's an important point that deserves clarification. When Catholics pray to saints for specific intentions, it's not meant to be a transactional or self-serving practice. Instead, it's rooted in the concept of spiritual communion and the belief in the power of intercessory prayer. It’s an attempt to improve ourselves for God. It’s an attempt to get holier, which only meas getting closer to God. Here's how we understand it: 1. Praying to saints is about building relationships within the spiritual family of God, not engaging in a quid pro quo exchange. It's similar to asking a close friend or family member to pray for you during a difficult time. 2. Catholics believe that any benefits or graces come from God, not from the saints themselves. The saints are seen as intercessors or advocates before God, not as the source of the benefit. 3. When we ask for a saint's intercession, it's always with the understanding that we're seeking God's will, not demanding a specific outcome. The prayer often includes "if it be God's will." 4. Often, the act of praying and connecting with the saints helps in spiritual growth and closer alignment with God's teachings, which is the ultimate goal. 5. This practice reinforces the idea of a spiritual community that extends beyond our earthly existence, providing comfort and support. 6. Praying to saints who faced similar challenges can provide inspiration and guidance on how to navigate our own difficulties in a Christ-like manner. The goal as a Christian is to become more like Christ. While it may seem transactional on the surface, the deeper intention is to grow in faith, seek God's will, and draw closer to the entire community of believers - both living and in heaven. The focus remains on God, with saints serving as spiritual friends and mentors in our faith journey.
@@AncientCornelius You can ask a friend to do things for you without your friendship being fundamentally transactional, yes? While transactional relationships exist, they are hardly the only kind, and that is not the kind of relationship we have with Saints. True devotion does not cease simply because the prayer is not granted, or not granted immediately.
As a Protestant inquiring about Catholicism I have a question around this. I’ve been attending a Catholic Church for the last couple months and I would say almost weekly they will sing a song in the church service to Mary. It isn’t asking her for intercession but simply giving her “praise” or veneration. Maybe it’s just my old Protestant mind but I find it uncomfortable to sing a song like this in the middle of a worship service to God. I can fully understand veneration of her outside of a service but doing it in between worship songs to God feels out of place. I appreciate any responses 😊
May I share what God thinks about praising Mary? (My thoughts in parentheses) Psalms 45:9-17 “Kings' daughters were among thy HONORABLE women: upon thy right hand did stand the QUEEN (Rev. 12) in gold of Ophir. Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house; So shall the KING GREATLY DESIRE THY BEAUTY: for HE IS THY LORD; and worship thou him (only). And the daughter of Tyre shall be there with a gift (Lk. 1:28); even the rich among the people shall ENTREAT THY FAVOUR (intercession). The king's daughter is all GLORIOUS WITHIN (immaculate): her clothing is of wrought gold. SHE shall be brought unto the king in raiment of needlework: the virgins (religious women) her companions that follow her shall be brought unto thee. With gladness and rejoicing shall they be brought: they shall enter into the king's palace (heaven). Instead of thy fathers shall be thy children (mother of the christians) whom thou mayest make princes (bishops) in all the earth. I WILL make THY NAME to be REMEMBERED IN ALL GENERATIONS (Lk. 1:48) therefore shall the people PRAISE THEE FOR EVER AND EVER.”
Interesting. The only time I ever hear Marian hymns sung at mass is on Marian feast days. As a former Protestant, I get that concern, but I don’t think it’s any different in substance than offering a standard praise of Mary which happens in most of the Eucharistic prayers and during the penitential prayer. Just because it’s longer doesn’t change the substance and since the mass is a participation in heavenly worship, she (and all the angels and saints) are present in a way in the worship of the mass. I don’t know if that’s helpful at all, but that’s how I think of it. Hope your journey continues well!
I think it might help if you stop thinking about worship of God as primarily happening at the church service. If every act you do is offered to God ("whatever you do, do it heartily, as to the Lord") then your entire life becomes one stream of worship. But your life will still involve honoring, respecting, and greeting other people, as it does now. Honoring people, made in the image and likeness of God, will naturally be interspersed and made part of honoring God. That is what the interspersing of praise of Mary and the Saints at Mass, with praising and worshiping God, is pointing us to. Here's a quote from St. Therese that I think fits, although she was talking about being charitable to irritating fellow nuns, rather than about venerating Our Lady: "I ... offered all her virtues and merits to God. I was sure that Jesus would be delighted at this, for artists always like to have their work praised, and it pleases the Divine Artist of souls when, not stopping at the exterior, we penetrate the inner sanctuary where He dwells, to admire its beauty."
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
1:50 took me a while to realize this was sarcasm. I just became Catholic a few months ago and I just recently became secure in my relationship with Mary so you genuinely had me concerns lmao
Thanks for your video Brian. I am a Protestant/Pentecostal believer but enjoy your videos. As someone who was raised Catholic it was my experience that many Catholics were unaware of the difference between the worship of Jesus and the veneration of Mary. Even if this doctrine is properly understood the common practice of venerating Mary is hard to distinguish between worship. In practical terms Mary was often put on equal and even sometimes a higher plane than Jesus. For example, on more than one occasion, I heard that you had a better chance of getting your prayers answered if you prayed to Mary instead of Jesus. She was often portrayed a kinder and more willing to provide your request than Jesus. There are another other examples such as the many statues of Mary that people kneeled before and prayed to often more so than that of Jesus. I sometimes see statues of Mary in peoples' yards but rarely one of Jesus.
Mary cannot pray for you. She cannot hear your prayers because she is dead and wirh the Lord. Only God is worthy to hear our prayers. We are to go boldly before the throne of grace and make our prayers known to God, not mary
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
What you are doing is taking away from God & giving to Mary. God hears our prayers, it is He who loved us so much He saved us. He loved us more than Mary ever could.
@@martinploughboy988It's called intercession, no one is taking something from God and giving it to Mary. If you actually studied Catholicism, we actually pray to God directly. Salvation is a family issue. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective and who is more righteous on this earth than the Saints in heaven? No one because the Saints are in the presence of God and they are in union with God. Rev 5:8, Rev 8:3-4 is pretty clear on this and also the book of Maccabees actually has Jeremiah the prophet interceding for the nation of Israel from Heaven and praying for them and if anyone in heaven can't intercede for us, how do explain this? Also don't get this confused with necromancy because it isn't and necromancy is asking the dead like someone from hell for secret information or knowledge while saint intercession isn't asking someone for secret info or knowledge but making a request to intercede for us. When Catholics pray to the Saints, they don't mean that they pray to them like if they were to be God because we use the old English word for prayer which is to simply "ask" and that's how old English texts rendered it as. Saint intercession is like asking someone to pray for you. Also memory functions and time works differently in Heaven than on Earth as the Saints don't have memory problems and the Saints have all of eternity to answer every single request and they don't answer all of them at once and they don't need to be omniscient to answer all of them because an omniscient mind is only needed when the numbers are infinite. Saint intercession works like this: when you ask a saint to pray for you, they will pray on behalf of you like they pray to God directly.
@@martinploughboy988 that is true! i find it really sad that people disregard what God has written and what God is testifying to. They trade the truth for lies. i hope that they will realize their mistakes and then run to God to be saved. i hope they will realize that we are reaching out to them with the love of God because we would hate to see them parish.❤
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
The Theotokos ! Greek for the God Bearer . We the Orthodox , as well as the Latins venerate The Mother of God . We do not worship Her . The Latins do sometimes take it to the extreme. Imagine the world if she told Gabriel no . Now as to Protestants and their knee jerk reaction of her name , this comes from the faulted minds of the faulted reformer fathers trying to destroy any trace of any connection to the Latin church . The Theotokos , the mother of God was not a broken vessel to be tossed away after the birth of Christ to be forgotten . He put on flesh and dwelt among us. He had a runny nose just like we did and his mother wiped his nose . We ask for Her intercession in prayer , and get ready for this pastor Bob , to save us . Save us from the humanity of out faulted human condition. From being tempted from what ever human passions / temptation we suffer from. You practice a 600 yr plus version of reformation ist Christianity , you use a truncated version of a Bible that needed the name of a king to give it credibility Here I stand . Have at me
"You kneel in front of Mary statues." "You bow down to statues and images." "You pray to saints." These popular arguments all have these things in common: 1. They blatantly ignore the actual Catholic teachings, which are easily accessible via the web. This is just willful ignorance in this day and age. 2. They all revolve around THEM. THEY equate bowing as worship. THEY have only one definition or mode of prayer. THEY don't believe in using art to enhance faith. "ME, ME, ME". Yes, this is a very childish way of looking at things and from which to argue one's point. They make themselves the center of the universe in which everything they assume must be so and where they cannot possibly be wrong.
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
@@HAL9000-su1mz I don't know if the Church has made any formal pronouncement on Jesus' DNA. But the DNA analysis of the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano revealed that the DNA of the blood and flesh was only from a mother, with no paternal DNA present.
Accept as my personal mother - I accept and love my mother, that doesn't mean I think she's equal to God. I might have friends who would intercede for me in some situation, doesn't make them equal to God either
@@martinploughboy988 If you ask someone to pray for you you are stealing from Christ. Veneration is a form of worship but it is not the same form of worship as adoration is, we owe Christ adoration, not mere veneration.
@@claritasyoutubechannel3312 You aren't asking someone to pray for you, you are making Mary your advocate. Jesus is our only advocate. In any case, Mary is dead, she cannot hear you. Venerate means worship, including adoration.
Mine Protestant family insists Roman Catholicism was pagan and somehow Luther came along and made it Christian. I told them, if that were true, Martin Luther would be equally paganistic and Protestantism stands no chance at salvation. They went very silent afterwards.
Let's see...what were the key indicators of pagan worship in ancient Israel? Sexual immorality, devaluing of marriage, and child sacrifice. How many Protestant "churches" have embraced sexual immorality and child sacrifice in our time? Almost all have so watered down their view of marriage that divorce and remarriage is extremely common and unquestionably accepted without anything like annulment. Many make no issue of fornication - after all, "Jesus died for all your sins, past, present, and future." That theology basically makes for, "Anything goes. If you feel guilty, just ask for forgiveness in your heart, and move on." Most have also fully embraced artificial contraception and some even support abortion. Only the Catholic Church has held firm on all elements of sexual morality, the deep, theological meaning of marriage, and the sanctity of the marriage act in being always open to life.
How come St. John the Baptist can dance before our lady but I can't according to protestant logic even kneel before her icon and as much as greet her. I'm sorry but my home is with Christ, we are one big family. It's sound then for one to look to the holy family, and moreover look to our lady. If we are to do God's will, we must protect Christ and foster Christ's life in others. It's wrong for us to think we are going into this without examples. Why not see Christ through their eyes. Seek and you will find.
The devil keeps them obsessed with a hatred (his own hatred) of She who crushes the head of the serpent, as it is that Woman from Biblical history who has the most power, outside of Christ, to stop him. He further keeps them enslaved to sin because sin is pleasurable. It's like making them hate the solution to the problem so they do not invoke Her. "Blessed be God: in His Angels and in His Saints." They dishonor God in His Saints by discounting their holiness (holiness is linear: increasing in order and Charity, it also means "closeness to God") and then worship-by following-the heretic (heretic= to choose whatever you want to believe, not the whole Truth) Martin Luther as the founder of their religion, who is famous for hanging himself-murdering himself- due to the depression he wrought upon himself by abandoning Truth to pick up falsehood, which drove him insane. I have one of his books named "The Jews and their Lies". A real eye opener.
"And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.” Do not be deceived: Jesus is the one that crushes/crushed the head.❤
@@johnpaulpascua3569it is not up for debate. There is zero evidence whatsoever that he did such. There is no reason to believe he did and that he did was simply slander put forward by his opponents
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
STM it would be valuable, illuminating, helpful, & morally good, to ask, and find out, just what people mean, when they make this accusation of "worshipping Mary". I think it's very important to understand what is meant by Objection X, &, why Objection X is made. And also; is there, and has there has been, anything in Catholic teaching or practice that makes the objection look plausible or true ?
Protestantism doesn’t understand proper worship as generally, they don’t believe in sacrificial liturgical worship Jn 6 51-58. They have no altars so not “church”, more like a synagogue with prayer & teaching.
As usual sir, you are quite charitible and admirable in your technically correct defense. However, I want to make an attempt to shed White in a more favorable light. We should own up that millions of ignorant Catholics probably do "worship" Mary in ways that are idolotrous, lets be honest. It does not help that popes have encouraged pagan rituals. The images from the Amazon synod do not help. I don't think its fair to label White as "anti-Catholic simply because the distinctions we make between worship and veneration do not measure up in his estimation. He gets along great with Father Pacwa. In fact, White is a great teacher on the Trinity and on Islam, we actually have a lot in common. To me, anti-Catholic infers a nasty spirit. I think of Chick-tracs, or independent fundamental Baptists like Dave Hunt, or your run of the mill evangelical like John MacArthur. White is more nuanced and I don't think labeling him anti-Catholic is a fair characterization. It is an old tactic used by CA that I don't think is charitible. At 7:15 Brian said, "to worship Mary like God goes against church teaching and tradition". White pays attention and observes like many of us Catholics, that Rome doesn't seem to give a hang about tradition. It seems that truth no longer seems to be revealed, but is now "voted on". White, like many of us see the audacity of a pope thinking he can abrogate one of the sanctions that came with the Noahic covenant, the death penalty for murder, not to meantion approving the blessing of unnatural affections. White knows about the decades of seminaries recruiting men that lean that way and our credibility suffers terribly with years of widespread abuse scandals and cover ups. Its not easy to promote the faith to those like White when it seems that our leaders are explicitely auditioning for the role of the "Harlet of Babylon" with all the globalism and false ecumenism, denying that Christ is the only way. I think White's conclusions are perfectly reasonable given Catholic witness over the last 3-4 decades. Rather than criticize White, we should lament the horrid witness of the church in recent years and pray for our renewal.
THANK YOU!!!!!! I could NOT have summed it up better myself!! You're in line with what Bishop Strickland and AB Vigano has been trying to tell us. God bless you!!
Am surprised you have not seen all the Eucharistic ones. Heck Louisiana recently built the worlds largest monstrance in order to have a Eucharistic procession down the river and through the bayous.
Semana Santa festivals are common in Spain and South America, where the Passion of Christ is reenacted or shown in painting/statues/floats depending on the region. I don’t think that really answers your question though - because I think at the heart of your question is a strong desire to reject Christ’s true church in favor of your man-made Protestant one - and you will never run out of invented objections to continue to do so.
God loved us so much that he gave us all 2 mothers. Hail mary, full of grace, The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary Mother of God, pray fornus sinners, now and at the hour of hour death.
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
I don't think it was sarcasm of Anthony. Have you read the glories of Mary by St. Alphons Maria Ligouri? He states, that God wants to give all graces through Mary and that without Mary we all would we lost BECAUSE GOD WISHES to honor his mother, because he was pleased to be a debtor to one of his creatures, Mary, for his human nature. He wants to get the human race saved ONLY through the graces merited by Jesus and dispensed by Mary.
Sure. You might say that Jesus is like the power plant, and Our Lady is like the circuit breaker. The circuit breaker is not going to provide any power by itself - which is entirely unlike pagan gods.
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
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Isn’t the easiest answer to provide one church document declaring Mary as divine and worthy of worship. All the false Protestant teachers do is produce their own interpretation of Mary Nobody honored Mary more than Jesus and we should follow in His footsteps
She is neither omnipotent nor omniscient. Heaven exists outside of time, and we can say that being in Heaven, dwelling in God’s House/Glory in the fullness of the Body of Christ gives the saints the ability to hear prayers through God’s power as they are perfectly united to Him. This also doesn’t make Mary omniscient, because true omniscience would be things like knowing every mathematical/scientific truth of the world, as well as possible truths, or the end of time, for example. Anything granted through a saint’s intercession is only through their intercession, it’s ultimately from God. If you have friends pray for you here for healing and you are healed, it was God that healed you, but your friends prayers were powerful in interceding for you Another thing is that “prayers to the saints” is a colloquial term, the use of the word “prayer” in this context is the Old English meaning “to request.” This is where the contraction “privy” comes from “ex., privy, hand me a bottle.” It’s actually called intercession of the saints but the word prayer is used colloquially as in “request” to the saints (to pray for us). It’s not the same type of “prayer” as to God.
@@Ari-ih2nl Well, seeing as the pillar and bulwark of truth is not the Bible but the Church, I don't see the problem. Remember, the Sources of Revelation are Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium, not Scripture alone.
Mary is called the "Destroyer of Heresies" due to her role in defending the Church from false teachings. This title was especially emphasized during the Counter-Reformation and is rooted in key historical and doctrinal moments. At the Council of Ephesus (431 AD), Mary was declared Theotokos (Mother of God) to combat the Nestorian heresy, which denied the unity of Christ's divine and human natures (Luke 1:43; CCC 466). Her Immaculate Conception counters Pelagianism, which denied original sin and grace, as defined in Ineffabilis Deus (1854) and supported by Luke 1:28 and CCC 491. Mary's perfect faith and obedience, seen in her "fiat" (Luke 1:38), serve as a model for all Christians (CCC 967). Historically, during the Counter-Reformation, the Church reinforced Marian doctrines to protect orthodoxy from Protestant challenges, with papal documents like Divina Supplicatio (1568) invoking her intercession. Finally, Revelation 12:1 portrays Mary as the "Woman clothed with the sun," symbolizing her victory over heresy and evil.
The “cult of Mary” as we understand it, appears in the 4th century as a consequence of the Arian controversy, The Arians denied the doctrine of the Incarnation.Defeated at they Council of Nicaea. they continued to push their agenda at the Imperial Court , and to persuade Constantine to rehabilitate Arius. by restate his doctrine in ways that denied the contrast between Catholic and Arian christology. Only the sudden death of Arius prevented him from being agains received at Court, Neverless the heir of Constantine from taking the side of the :Seminarian: bishop, and when he become Emperor, it was suddenly the Catholics who’ were in disfavor, Devotion to Mary in the form of basilicas devoted to Mary, as Christian now began became public for the first time every where in the Empire. Reverence to Mary became a feature of Catholic Christology as did the emphasis on the Holy Spirit. It can be said we honor Mary as the Mother of God because we are Trinitarians, Because the Protestants do so little homor to Mary, their Trinitarianism trends to be vaguely expressed. and in general toward Nestorianism.
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
Brian, why don’t we see the Apostles praying to Moses and Elijah? Why don’t we see St Paul praying to the Apostles who preceded him in martyrdom? Why don’t we see the early church venerating and praying to St Stephen right after he is stoned to death? The fact is, we do not see prayer directed to anyone or anything other than God, as an act of worship, anywhere in the Old or New Testament. In addition to this lack of Scriptural evidence, why don’t we see prayer to the Saints in Clement, Irenaeus, Ignatius, Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Cyprian of Carthage, Athenagoras, Tertullian, the Didache …? The list goes on. We see inklings of the practice organically developing in the third century and then it really spreads in the fourth. It is so very clearly an accretion that was not part of the Apostolic Deposit. I would love to hear your thoughts. I was Orthodox for many years and found great value in praying to the Saints until I really dug into the history and gave some of the classical Protestant critiques of the practice a chance. I’d love to be proven wrong. ✌️
Brian says that the pagans prayed to idols because they wanted to receive something in return. But catholics pray to saints to draw closer to Christ. I have heard time and again that praying to st Anthony can help you find. St Gemma may heal your back. St Joseph will help battle lusts of the flesh, isn’t that praying to saints to receive something ? Does brain contradict himself? He put as “transactional benefit”
Jesus gave us one instruction when he died to wait for the holyspirit. Even Mary had to be filled with the holyspirit in the upper room. And the apostles preached Jesus and the holyspirit. It is sad how Catholics ignore the holyspirit and focus on saints. Without the holy spirit you cannot become an effective Christian. I thank the lord for clearing your understanding on this matter, you are blessed many die without seeing the truth
Where did you see that they didn't? How do you know that the surviving Apostles didn't visit the burial places of those who preceded them in martyrdom to ask their prayers for perseverance like we know the early Christians did in the catacombs? Even John at the end of his Gospel says that not everything Jesus said and did was recorded; the same could be said of Luke and the Acts of the Apostles. There are undoubtedly things the Apostles said and did that weren't recorded but passed down in teaching and practice (the true meaning of Sacred Tradition).
Let’s assume you’re correct, and the practice of seeking the intercession of the saints was a practice that organically developed and began to show itself in the 3rd century. Why does that mean it’s a wrong and false accretion, especially if it’s based in biblical principles?
@@mitchellguidry1078 I think you are misunderstanding the argument. It’s not what I *am* seeing, it’s what all of us together are *not* seeing. And that is any evidence of prayer to the Saints in the Old or New Testament. We don’t have any evidence at all of the Apostles doing this, or the people who sat at their feet, or the people who sat at their feet. Not until a few centuries after Christ, when pagans were flooding into the Church. And it looks an awful lot like a pagan practice - surely you will grant that. Maybe if we had St Clement and St Ignatius mentioning it, I’d grant that, “ok, St Polycarp and St Justin Martyr and St Irenaeus … they just happened to be silent on the issue, but clearly some Christians somewhere were practicing this … so maybe.” But we don’t have that. Literally none of them mention the practice until the third and really the fourth century.
This whole having intermediaries between man and God to pray to is just nonsense. Even Jesus taught us to pray directly to the Father in heaven. If you want to properly venerate Mary, then pray for her, not through her.
Protestants don’t understand praying … Prayer is just Spiritual conversion, it depends what u say !! You can ask God for blessings , but it’s not worship !! It DEPENDS ON WHAT U SAY IN THE PRAYER . Same with Mary , Catholics pray(spiritual conversion) with Mary for her to pray(worship) God on our behalf
I have been a catholic my whole life and have worshipped God in prayers, actions and thoughts. Never once did I ever pray, acted or thought of Mother Mary in the same way as I do to God. Protestesting for the sake of differentiation has just become the 'raison d'etre' for protestants to be protestants. No critical thinking nor intellectual honesty required.
Spot on, my thoughts too. Catholics have explained this to Protestants 'ad nauseam' They waste their time trolling the Catholic Faith. Thank you Mr. Holsworthy for explaining this yet again.
It is interesting. Protestants used to get very upset over the Eucharist, which we actually do worship as God. Now they seem to object much more to us honoring Mary, which they used to be ok with and do themselves.
@@duathellto1460no we still completely disagree with your worship of the communion wafer. It's a symbol. It does not transmogrify into the actual flesh of Christ. The biggest difference here is this: You praise the dead and crucified Christ. We praise him for his sacrifice but his resurrection is what grants us eternal life. Because he rose again we too through faith csn have eternal life. His death alone was not enough. That's why we remember his death through communion. But we worship the risen Christ.
@@tedfeast I was speaking of the relative levels of upset, not claiming that Protestants have started agreeing with the doctrine of the Eucharist. You draw some very odd demarcations, from the Catholic point of view. Jesus is one person. We might focus on various aspects of His life, passion, death, and resurrection, but we worship Him, not His status at various points in time. If you're going to strictly draw lines such that no worship can take place except by considering Him in His current status, you can't worship the Risen Christ, you may only worship the Ascended Christ. Which we will also consider to be a weird focus on status rather than Person. At any rate, the Mysteries of the Rosary walk us through His Resurrection and Ascension as well as His Incarnation, birth, Passion, and death. We honor all parts of His life, because they all were necessary for our salvation, but mostly because they are all eminently honorable. His baby smiles are worthy of praise. There is a lot of focus on His death, because that is what is important for us, now: "For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his." We hope for our resurrection, therefore the present business is dying to self, picking up our crosses, and following after Him. But there are a fair number of devotions to Jesus, considered post-resurrection. There is the Divine Mercy devotion, where Christ is clearly post-Resurrection, Eucharistic devotion, Christ Pantocrator, the Sacred Heart devotion, and then Christ as Salvator Mundi is common in artwork. We might be more focused on the Passion than you, but it's hardly exclusionary. It is some Protestants who are exclusionary in rejecting depictions of the Passion. We take it all.
It amazes me how many Protestants spend so much of their time trying to go after Catholicism by twisting words and ignoring church teachings and traditions passed down from the Apostles and Jesus himself. By constantly trying to drive a wedge in religion, is Protestantism ultimately doing God's work or Satan's?
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
We are driven by the love of God to reach out to the lost, because we grieve for them. We do not want anyone to parish, so we reach out, proclaiming the truth in hopes that people will turn from their sin, turn from lies and deception in order to be saved by grace through faith in Jesus. It is definitely not a waste of the time we have been given, we are servants of all. As as Lord is the servant King!❤Praise King Jesus!
I get your perspective on praying to the Saints and Mary. My concern is this idea that Mary was an immaculate conception i.e. mary’s mother conceived Mary as a virgin. This is extra biblical and Mary outside the need of Christ’s redemption.
That is not what the dogma of the immaculate conception teaches. It teaches that Mary was preserved free from the effects of original sin since conception
That's not what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception is. You're clearly misinformed. When Mary is referred to "kaire, kekaritomene", or “hail, full of grace" in Luke 1, a more literal translation would be "hail, she who has been graced". Can something literally full of God's grace commit sin? Furthermore, St. Luke uses the perfect passive participle, kekaritomene, as his “name” for Mary. This word literally means “she who has been graced” in a completed sense. This verbal adjective, “graced,” is not just describing a simple past action. Greek has another tense for that. The perfect tense is used to indicate that an action has been completed in the past, resulting in a present state of being. “Full of grace” is Mary’s name. This doesn't even scratch the surface of the Biblical evidence for Mary's sinlessness. There's plenty of compelling typological arguments to Mary being the New Ark of the Covenant and the New Eve. We clearly see throughout Scripture that the New Covenant is more greater than the Old. If someone was struck dead for touching the Old Ark since it was so holy, how much holier is the New Ark?
Our Lady was preserved by our Lord from sin through His grace because it would not be fitting for Him to have come through a broken vessel. Mary was saved from sin for this reason. Blessed John Dunns Scotus explained this much better than most in his work on the primacy of Christ if you need a resource. And if you do pray to Mary for her intercession please know that she herself referred to herself as “the Immaculate Conception” to St Bernadette at Lourdes, the poor uneducated child who had no idea what that meant and this was partly how the bishop was convinced of the authenticity of the our Lady’s apparition at Lourdes. God bless, ave Maria!
My favourite gnostic statement on idolatry in history, get rekt protties You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down (lit. Venerate) to them or serve (lit. Worship) them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments. Our opinion is simple and clear, the True Living and Invisible God is to be Worshipped in spirit and truth, and only this true inward piety of the heart is acceptable to the only Lord and saviour. We follow the patriarchs, prophets, apostles and ancient fathers, and not the 7th council fathers who believed that the true and loving God could be captured within a painting or carved work, which has no ears to hear your prayers or eyes to see your works.
I believe John Calvin had a high view of marry, also John Knox started discouragement of venerating of marry I believe I got this information by Catholic Answers People like James white act like the 1st century church was your believe traditional evangelical Protestant churche(i.e. a country club church )
Justin Martyr Apology tells us that Christian worship was at least more like that of a Lutheran service than that of the Geneva form. Even Calvin intended the Eucharist to celebrated on every Lord’s Day. because he know that is what the Early Christians did, It is well-known that the Real Prescence was the last part of Catholic doctrine he gave up, Even in his Institutes, his views on the Eucharist are more ambivalent than what became the practice in Calvinist Church where were Zwinglian. The Lutheran Church of course moved toward the Calvinist views. The object of Course was to emphasize their rejection of th Authority of the Catholic Church. In any case Protestantism is far more subjective than Catholic, even gnostic.
@@rraddena I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about. Of course I pray to the Father, every day. And I pray for others. Our blessed mother is the queen of the saints and the perfection of the feminine ideal for us women to aspire to. Why be hostile to the mother of God?
James a white said he has hours of video proving that people are venerating Mary as their god but did he interview even one of those people to ask them if they were doing that. Did he ask them is she your god. Every single one of them would have said NO. He uses examples and then expounds on Them with his own judgment.
I'm sorry, but it has to be said, and as a former Protestant who was deep in it: Protestantism makes you stupid... literally. Not only is everything framed fundamentally by pride, but literally every query is framed incorrectly and not just, but pancaked in layers of erroneous suppositions, false dichotomies, theological and historical ignorance, and insular, novel language. It would be like being absolutely determined in the face of reason to understand modern medicine only in the terms and framework of animal husbandry, alchemy and philosophy... and to utterly refuse to admit chemistry, anatomy and physiology, nuclear medicine, pharmacology, etc. We're talking about people who think Jesus is the Bible incarnate, who lived a perfect life and thus magically abolished the Law through that deed... and Who writes in those who believe in Him. Protestantism is sin. Period. It is schism, a sin against God. Sin makes you stupid. They're so busy worrying about how to use sophistry and semantics to linguistically prove their calumnies, that they don't even care if it's true, as long as they can say they win, because if so that makes it worthy of belief. They are so busy trying to prove Catholics worship Mary that they can't see they are idolators of scripture and their understanding of it. They are in the worst possible case... they are convinced that the darkening of their intellect is Enlightenment, and the means they would have to the truth they've turned into the source and enforcer of their own darkening, through pride. Protestantism is a most virulent heresy, bloated with errors.
Yes! Particularly the "Sin makes you stupid" part. It's not just Protestantism. Any time you believe something false or act according to something false, it will make you stupid. We were created in a particular way, to fit in with God's creation as it really is, and any attempts to shoehorn ourselves into something that is not real, will damage us and make it harder to think and act correctly in the future.
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
This is incorrect, technically speaking. The unity exists in the Catholic Church. One sins against unity when one pretends that those who are outside the Church are also in some way members of the Church. They are not. So, if we are being precise, we are not on the same side. Protestants are folks who are baptized, yet clearly separated from the Church and in need of conversion just as much as those of pagan religions. Only difference is that baptism gives access to certain Graces they would have otherwise not have had access to as a pagan. The real against unity today is Catholics, including those in the hierarchy, pretending that all are just Christian’s for the sake of avoiding giving offence. Thus, one of the four marks of the Church that Christ founded is obscured from the vision of those who seek the truth earnestly.
@@eufrosniad994 The Catholic Church calls Protestants "our separated brothers and sisters". We need to be on the same side in matters like Right to Life. Also, there was a Serbian Orthodox judo winner, Nemanja Majdov, who was stripped of his medal in September for several reasons, including making the sign of the cross before a match. It was mentioned in the Catholic press. But, there was not the outcry that there was about the depiction of the Last Supper at the Opening Ceremonies. It is too bad that more Christians of every type did not denounce this loudly together.
@@RitaGatton The key word in the phrase you quoted is separated. It is possible to work with such people outside the church, or even with pagans or atheists for that matter when certain interests align. However, it is only a temporary alliance for the sake of that common interest and is not us being on the same side. The issue is that in modern times, we keep trying to create this impression of we are all on the same side, and the result of it has been apostasy by many Catholics. Look at Latin America where in countries like Brazil, the population has gone from 90%+ Catholic to around 60%. Most of those losses are not to atheism , but to Protestantism. What’s even worse is that this natural trajectory does ultimately lead to agnosticism, and eventually to atheism, Pope Pius XI pointed out. So sure, we can make a stance together on issues like the sign of the cross being banned. But, it should be made clear to Catholics that we are only doing so for furthering a common interest and not because we are on the same side in general. Ideally speaking, Catholics should desire a State where the Catholic religion is upheld as the true religion of the land, and others are only tolerated.
@@eufrosniad994I was going to say the same thing but for for deferent reasons we don’t consider catholics christians because they convert to false idolatrous doctrine religion and not to Jesus.
There are different apostolates. Peter was fiery & funny. There’s room for all kinds of evangelism. Let’s allow for those to do so with their particular charism & gifts of the Holy Spirit.
When evil cannot attack God Himself, it attacks His mother. Matthew 12:25- 25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. “ So how do Christians attacking other Christians unify under God? How about we focus on fighting atheism or paganism or Godlessness instead?
I'm super confused... It is orthodox Catholicism to say Mary is our personal mother and intercessor... That's not really "trolling too far" It is a humorous parallel to evangelical statements. But in no way "too far" or simply trolling??? 🤔
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
@barrycharlesbrebner Barry. You've done it. You've converted me from papism with you elegant argument. (I'm being sarcastic) Psalm 45, and Canticles 6 appear to disagree
Mary is not the Saviour Jesus is. With out forgiveness by grace through faith in Christ, people will be punished! With out Jesus, people will be cast into the lake of fire. Stop your idolatry: worship of Mary!❤ Please, i hope you will realize what you are doing.
@barrycharlesbrebner Without Mary, you get protestantism, which ultimately devolves into either fundamentalism or Wokeism. Look at all the former protestant countries: they are the only ones being overwhelmed with woke. Mary is the only bulwark we have because if you can bow to Mary, you venerate motherhood in general which leads you to understand what a woman is.
@@barrycharlesbrebnerIt's only Protestants that think this way. And protestantism inevitably leads to Wokeism. Look at all the former protestant countries: they are the ones overwhelmed with woke. Mary is our only bulwark because if you can bow to her, you can also venerate motherhood, which leads you to understand what a woman is.
See, this type of comment right here is why people think Catholics worship Mary. She is NOT the savior! She did NOT die for you! I don’t believe the Catholic Church teaches Marian worship but they do a terrible job of educating their flock. Far too many Catholic laypersons believe that Mary is their savior.
Brian, thank you for this lighthearted and charitable take on an issue that should not divide us. We are the Body of Christ! All of us, including the Saints, including our Blessed Mother! God be praised for this powerful truth. Redefining terms like Worship with a heart not seeking to love one another divides the Body. I pray that our brothers and sisters in Christ who see Catholics doing something they dont understand will ask "why?" with an open heart. May the Lord give us this grace and may we look upon one another with eyes of mercy. Let us love one another, for by this all men will know us.
How isn’t praying to st Joseph for deliverance from lust, or st Gemma to heal back pain, or st Anthony to help find things not “transactional self benefit?
@@AncientCornelius James 5:16: The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful. Any question? A saint in Heaven is already fully sanctified and I'm not.
Some catholics exagerate the importance and position of the Holy Virgin. She is only a human being, not part of the Holy Trinity. Without Sainte Mary no birth of Jesus! We ask for her intercession only.
@@hopefull61256 This is indeed who she is, among many other things. She is the Holy Mother of God, Holy Virgin of virgins, Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church, Mother of mercy, Mother of divine grace, Mother of hope, Mother most pure, Mother most chaste, Mother inviolate, Mother undefiled, Mother most amiable, Mother most admirable, Mother of good counsel, Mother of our Creator, Mother of our Savior, Virgin most prudent, Virgin most venerable, Virgin most renowned, Virgin most powerful, Virgin most merciful, Virgin most faithful, Mirror of justice, Seat of wisdom, Cause of our joy, Spiritual vessel, Vessel of honor, Singular vessel of devotion, Mystical rose, Tower of David, Tower of ivory, House of gold, Ark of the covenant, Gate of heaven, Morning star, Health of the sick, Refuge of sinners, Comfort of Migrants, Comforter of the afflicted, Help of Christians, Queen of Angels, Queen of Patriarchs, Queen of Prophets, Queen of Apostles, Queen of Martyrs, Queen of Confessors, Queen of Virgins, Queen of all Saints, Queen conceived without original sin, Queen assumed into heaven, Queen of the most holy Rosary, Queen of Families, Queen of Peace. And that doesn't even begin to touch all her other titles (Mother of Divine Providence, Mother of Perpetual Help, Spouse of the Holy Spirit, Virgin of virgins, Advocate of the People of God, New Eve, Ark of the Covenant, Queen of Heaven, Gate of Heaven, etc). The Blessed Mother is indeed a creature, but she is so much more than "only a human being".
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
Protestants to Catholics: You worship statues! Catholics to Protestants: You worship paper! Sola Scriptura is a kind of bibliolatry Worship of a " book" Christ did Not leave a Book. He left a Church as His Body! One Bread, One Body
Wrong, there were as many early saints who opposed the heresy of iconography, which was a problematic debate for the church until the 7th council in 787 in which it was justified, though it was unbiblical. The problem with iconography is that it's more that just an honoring/respecting of saints but rather an extreme veneration (though not idolotry nears to such a problem). So than why does the church make icons of the saints, why does the church pray to the saints, & why does the church loosely rely on saints for specific issues if icons aren't a necessity & that saints just regular beings like us? That in & of itself is a contradiction & a problem that shows iconography loosely becomes idolatry. Why even pray to saints for not only is it made clear in the word that the dead can't hear nor be omnipresent, but also that prayer is only reserved to God alone for prayer isn't only a request but is also holy sacred spiritual form of praise & thanksgiving. Plus, no one can be a mediator in prayer of any sort but only Christ. Also, just because Christ is the incarnate God doesn't mean that creation became holy (not promoting gnosticism) nor does it make us subcreators of holy materials, for only in the 2nd coming shall all creation be renewed to sinless state & that only through Christ can we be holy. Christ isn't against the material but nowhere does the word teach the worship of God through iconography. Which comes into the understanding of the function of holy religious material. For example, though the ark of the covenant was a respected religious object & it was never venerated for it only symbolized the covenant & presence of God, so when Kings & priest prayed in the presence of the ark they prayed not to the ark but rather directly to God for the ark was His footstool. Another example of the problem of iconography is seen in 2nd Kings 18:4 where king Hezekia destroyed the bronze serpent due to its veneration either as an icon or an idol. Art indeed can be a form of worship but never can it be representative of nor become holy.
@dherpin4874 Tertullian is one of many saints, but why rely on church fathers so heavily? For though church fathers clarify our understanding of Biblical teachings and make great arguments defending Biblical theology, they aren't always reliable for their actions and/or teaching sometimes contradic not only Biblical teachings but also of eachothers. They aren't in any way equal to Biblical authority and to believe the contrary is problematic.
@dherpin4874 Tertullian is one of many saints who opposed iconography. But why have such dependency of the saints for their teachings aren't of divine afflatus, proving them to be not as reliable as the word of God. For thought the Church fathers and Councils are of importance for clarifying Biblical teachings and being great defenders of the faith, they have contradicted eachother and the Bible in their beliefs of man made traditions, in which many such traditions have come forth centuries if not millennia after the New Testament. Even the saints relied upon the Bible through their apologetics and exegesis.
@@Hussites1430 In your initial comment you stated “there are many early saints who opposed iconography”. I asked which early saints in order to research what that specifically said. I know some condemned it as a practice in pagan religions, but do not know any who condemned it as a practice in the church. You only pointed to Tertullian who was not a saint, but did not offer any quotes. Additionally iconography was never condemned as a heresy. You also asked what need we have of the saints? Well every single thing we know to be true was taught to us by the saints, that includes every word written in the Bible. Without saints who the Bible writes about extensively we would not know how to conduct ourselves properly as The Body of Christ (the Church).
1 Kings 2: 19 said Then Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, and the king stood up to meet her and paid her homage. Then he sat down upon his throne, and a throne was provided for the king’s mother, who sat at his right. Even a Jewish king know how to respect HIS MOTHER, how much can a Protestant don't understand for JESUS CHIRST to honor HIS MOTHER MARY
So in this passage Bathsheba is duped by Adonijah to request that Solomon give over David’s former wife as a way to consolidate political power against him. She makes a request of Solomon who says he will refuse her nothing, who once he realizes what’s happening promptly goes against her request and put Adonijah to death… This represents Mary how again?
@@mathewrculbertson you could but that doesn't mean i cannot, it common sense. You must be misunderstanding the word Veneration and Adoration !!! Did Solomon WORSHIP Bathsheba when he paid her homage and provided a sit next to the king
You didn’t hear what Brian said. Catholics don’t pray to Saints and Angels directly for favor. They ask for their intercession. To favor the saints and angels for their sacrifice and works for the creator isn’t idolatry. It’s simply rooting for truth. Being on the right side of creation. All of Gods creation is to be celebrated. Look at society today. Architecture, art, and education look away from creation. That is by design.
Did you just say that ALL praise is for God ALONE? In that case, what about Proverbs 31:30 that says that " a woman who fears the Lord deserves to be PRAISED" ? Is a "woman who fears the Lord" the same as God ?
@@fivecrosses9040yes they do. You quite literally address your prayers to them it is not intercession because the SAINTS ARE NOT HERE ON EARTH THEY CANNOT HEAR YOU prayer is a gift from God alone meant for him the Lord’s Prayer that Jesus taught didn’t not tell you to pray to literally anyone or anything else other than God
@@jerome2642it’s amazing how obsessed Catholics are with their own glory and will go to no end to protect it. Really? It bothers you so much that all glory should be for God? Suppose that says all I should know about you. Further all praise is for God you can commend others but all glory is for God alone any good done is because of the Lord
@White-failure Sorry, but Proverbs 31:30 didn't say that "a woman who fears the Lord deserves to be COMMENDED"; Rather, it clearly says that " a woman who fears the Lord deserves to be PRAISED". (I have never seen any English translation of the bible that used the word "commend" in Proverbs 31:30 instead of "praise"). This clearly shows that there are certain forms or kinds of PRAISE that can actually be given to HUMAN BEINGS. In other words, it is not forbidden to give ANY kind of praise to a human being. Furthermore, it might surprise you to know that there are different forms or kinds of GLORY -- there is a kind of glory that belongs to God alone, and there is a kind of glory that CAN be given to HUMAN BEINGS. A person becomes guilty of idolatry only when he takes the kind of glory that belongs to God ALONE and gives it to a human being. But if such a person takes the kind of glory that can be given to human beings and gives it to a human being, he isn't guilty of idolatry. The Bible talks about the category of human beings who can be given glory. For instance In John 17:22 Jesus said that He has given His disciples glory ("I have given them the GLORY that you have given me") In Romans 2:9 - 10 , Paul said that all those who do good deserve "peace, honour and GLORY"
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I think I understand the Protestant instinct to interpret Catholic veneration of Mary as worship or idolatry. Of course, we Catholics are not confused, we believe that Christ is our Lord and God, one in being with God the Father and the Holy Spirit. One God, forever and ever. But not to honor Mary’s uniquely holy place in the life of Jesus, her worthiness in the eyes of God, and her fullness of grace in the Holy Spirit is to hold her in less esteem than the apostles did. From the cross, Christ declared Mary our mother. How can we deny Him?
I WILL never apologize for veneration of my blessed Mother. If you had a best friend wouldn't you want them to meet your mother. WE do venerate Mother Mary she is the co- redeemer. She's OUR Blessed mother and the mother of OUR savior. Yes I bow to her. Yep sure do.
I am Catholic and the church does not teach. Mary is a co-redeemer. There are some theologianswho use the language of co-redemptrix but it is not the official teaching of the Church. We need to be careful when we use this kind of language because it starts to push beyond veneration which is a slippery slope. Even if you mean co- as a subordinate like in the Latin, it can be a confusing term that would cause people to stumble which is why the church has not officially endorsed this term. It will also further confuse Protestants because it seems like we are putting Mary on the same level as Jesus which we are not.
12:02 pm Saturday. Started watching a few minutes ago and literally paused at noon for the Angelus♥A most beautiful devotion and prayer for Our Lady's intercession!
It is truly meet to call you blessed, ever blessed and most pure, and the mother of our God. More honorable than the Cherubium and more glorious beyond compare than the seraphim, who without loss of virginity gave birth to God the Word, true Theotokos, we glorify you.
My Doctorate is in Apologetics, so I like hearing people out. Dr White is a great scholar, and debater. But he's a strong Calvinist, which comes across as harsh. But he is always worth listening to. I find your arguments to be interesting. It calms me. But I have been around the world preaching the Gospel. I've seen people worshipping in Cathedrals . And it sure looks a lot like people worshipping Mary.. it's certainly most Protestants biggest problem with Catholicism. Your answer calms me. But I have a hard time not thinking that there may be a big gap between academics theology and that of common folk. It merely an observation. I like hearing you on these topics. So thank you for your videos.
I could see how it would look like worship to you if you have no idea what worship is...And perhaps you don't. Worship is sacrifice, more finely, the continuing sacrifice of the Cross made present on the altar under the form of bread and wine. For the protestant, continuing sacrifice plays no role. "Worship" in a protestant mindset is veneration in reality. That's why you get confused. We treat Mary and the saints the same way you treat God; you mistakenly believe yourself to be worshipping Him, but you are merely venerating Him instead.
@mattbernacki9282 I would agree with you, but my observations lead me to think more ordinary Catholics about the world do. If anyone cared to listen to my observations, I would suggest that more teaching should be done so that people, both Catholic and non Catholic could better understand you teaching on the subject. Don't get me wrong, IMO most believers need more teaching on what their denomination actually teaches. I know there are there are many denominational teachers who say my group of churches teach about baptism is wrong. But I know where they get the idea, because I've heard preachers and parishioners who do believe the error. When I was doing my Undergraduate studies, we had classes of comparative theology. Much of what I learned in those classes was broad strokes caricatures of other denominations. I have learned not to be so quick at accusing groups of false teaching. . We should all study scripture for ourselves, and ask one another honest questions about what they believe.
@@samburton2978 Yes, there are no doubt layman, priests, and even bishops who will distort, mischaracterize and even at times downright contradict the Church's teaching. The thing is though, we have a 2,000 year deposit of faith that speaks with one unified voice on any given doctrine, so it is never as though the heretics can't be found out. We are not at the whim of individual people (including the Pope, it must be noted!) who may say contradictory things to what the Church has always taught. Individual men can err. The Church cannot. Yes, Scriptural study is important, but should done with frequent reference to typology and the doctrines which particular passages support. You should NOT simply read the Bible front to back as though it is a novel for your book club and then share thoughts with inquiring friends. That is an improper, irreverent, and spiritually perilous way to approach reading Scripture. You are better off not reading it at all if that is your attitude. And by the way, one last thing: Catholicism is not just another "denomination." It is not just *an* option in a buffet of Christian "denominations." Such a preposterous idea only proliferated after the protestant revolution fabricated a worldview in which Christian truths were rendered subjective, and so opinions could proliferate. The Catholic Church is *the* Church founded by Christ, which one *must* be apart of if one is to attain eternal salvation. If salvation is to be found in the novel religion known as protestantism, it is in spite of protestantism, not because of it.
I can say some places, like Mexico it Looks like they are worshipping Mary; to someone that has that image/ teaching that Catholics worship her it would definitely appear like it. I do see where you are coming from. I grew up in a very poor home, with very little church doctrine, even with our extreme ignorance we didn’t worship Mary. I came to America, just as ignorant, and I spoke to a Bible only Christian. He knew the word of God, then when he told me that I worshipped Mary ( I agreed with him) I thought we did based on what he told me. Now after reading scripture and learning my Faith, I know even with extreme ignorance, we didn’t worship Mary. The Catholic Church has never taught us to do so. I have attended evangelical churches. After 20 minutes of singing and worship, before the sermon the preacher will ask everyone to bow their heads/ as he is on an empty stage Praying for the Holy Spirit to open our ears to the word of God- if someone was to come in from outside, that would look like they are worshipping the preacher. Our mind makes us look for what we are trained to look for. Thanks for your comment, and honest observation. I really enjoy interacting with people like you God bless.
Is it possible to idolise Mary? Catholics say it is impossible to love her too much. So it never goes too far? As a protestant seeking for the truth, I understand you're reactionary and on your guard when accused of idolatry but you should admit that some people take it too far and idolatry IS possible. Otherwise God wouldn't warn against it in the Bible.
I understand your concern about the potential for idolatry. Catholics distinguish between veneration (deep respect) and worship. Worship is due to God alone, while veneration of Mary acknowledges her special role in salvation history. The Church teaches that any honor given to Mary should lead us closer to Jesus and not replace the worship due to God. However, it is possible for individuals to take veneration too far (treating her as equal to God), which is why the Church continually emphasizes the importance of keeping Christ at the center of our faith and Mary as the magnifying glass -Luke 1:46. God bless
@JohnLovesMary Thank you. I'd like to read more responses like that rather than the usual "we can never love Mary too much". I understand it as an expression and a way of conveying that she always brings people closer to Jesus but it is not literally true. We can love anyone too much if we love them more than God. As you said, let us keep Jesus at the center.
Idolatry is not the same as love. Christ commands us to love each other *as He loves us*. That's literally infinite love right there, and it is commanded, not merely for Our Lady, but for every Christian brother or sister. So yes, it is impossible to love Mary too much. It is possible to love her wrongly, as being something she is not. Interesting historical tidbit, the Koran was written partially from Muhammed's observations of Christian heretics. In a local diocese, there actually were people setting up Mary as part of the Trinity. It was never condemned by the Pope or an ecumenical council, because the local bishop put the kibosh on it and it didn't spread. That would certainly be an example of idolatry of Mary though. There's an old Catholic saying: the law of worship is the law of belief is the law of living. If we worship wrongly, we will believe wrongly and vice versa. If we act/live wrongly, we will believe wrongly and vice versa. If Catholics start idolizing Mary, we will also start claiming false doctrine about her, and we will also start doing evil in related ways outside the Church (I believe the aforementioned heretics were also an ancient version of extremist feminists). There's really no modern Catholic group that I've ever heard of claiming Our Lady is God, or that she won our salvation by her own power.
@@duathellto1460 There are problems with saying you cannot love Mary, or anyone too much. First, Jesus said this : “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even their own life-such a person cannot be my disciple." So it does indicate God is to be the object of our highest love, even at the expense of legitimate loves. The problem with the statement "you cannot love Mary too much" is that it is not an infallible statement. It is a sound bite said by a saint. But that person might have been wrong. Or their statement might be misunderstood or taken out of context. Taking a quote from a saint as gospel truth is not what is required of catholics if I understand well. So let's take that quote and think about it for a moment. First of all, as shown earlier you can love people too much, since Jesus says we must even hate the ones we most naturally love, in comparison to how much we must love him, and there are other passages conveying the same idea. So it might sound good to say "you cannot love your spouse too much" or "you cannot love your children too much", but it's not true, God is to be the One we love with all of our heart, mind, strength and soul. Second of all, let's think of idolatry. Like I said before, I understand that catholics have a more narrow view of idolatry than protestants, you think idolatry is just believing and treating someone or something as literally a god. It was the context of the ten commandments. In that definition Catholics do not idolise Mary and actually nobody in the west idolises anyone. In our secular society we do not do that. It's in other parts of the world that people have idols. But is it all that idolatry means? According to the catechism it isn't. The Catechism recognised that idolatry is more than that. And that's because we can follow the logic of Jesus in the sermon of the mount and understand idolatry in a wider way than the ten commandments explains it. Just like adultery according to Jesus is not just sleeping with a person who is not your spouse and just like killing is not just taking the life of someone, Jesus takes these commandments and tells us we are guilty of these sins when we look at someone lustfully or when we insult someone. So following the same logic as Jesus, idolatry is not just treating someone as a literal god. But we can commit idolatry in our hearts when someone or something takes the place of God, when we love/admire/serve that person more than God Himself. Like the catholic catechism puts it : "2113 Idolatry not only refers to false pagan worship. It remains a constant temptation to faith. Idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example, satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money, etc. Jesus says, "You cannot serve God and mammon." 44 Many martyrs died for not adoring "the Beast" 45 refusing even to simulate such worship. Idolatry rejects the unique Lordship of God; it is therefore incompatible with communion with God." In view of all of this therefore, while loving my spouse is a good thing, and it is not idolatry in the strictest sense of the word, it can become idolatry in the larger sense of the word if I revere and honour them in the place of God or at the detriment of my love for God. In the same way, while venerating Mary is not idolatry in the strictest sense of the word, it could be idolatry in the wider sense of the word if we were to revere her in the place of God, at the detriment of our love for God. No infallible text says we cannot love Mary too much. Only a quote from a saint. Therefore, maybe the misunderstanding of that quote is leading catholics to sin in their hearts, and while they should always check their hearts, when it comes to Mary they don't because they accepted this sound bite as gospel truth.
Revelation mentions men in golden robes in heaven offering up incense before the throne of God symbolic of the prayers of the saints. We believe that those who have gone before us aren't dead but alive in Christ. It's perfectly proper to ask their intercession just like I would ask you to pray for me.
To worship is to offer sacrifice. Catholics offer the sacrifice of the mass only to God. Protestants believe that talking to God or singing to Him is equivalent to worshiping. That is why when we talk to Mary or sing to her they see these acts as worshiping. Religion without sacrifice is not religion.
Wrong. God does not demand sacrifice because Jesus was THE perfect sacrifice. Everything we have is from God, even our life. Anything we sacrifice is just giving to God what is already His.
Genuine questions: 1. Is prayer a form of worship? 2. Are there instances anywhere in the bible where someone on earth is praying to someone in heaven (other than to God)? If someone could answer those biblically, I appreciate it. Thanks
The problem is Mary has been given the attributes of God when you pray to her. She is either a sinner born of a sinner who shares all of humanity's fallen nature or a goddess who is able to know all things, be in all places, and born without sin, therefore having no need for a savior. If this were not true then how is she even able to hear your prayers? I remind you God forbids praying to the dead. No one approaches God on his or her own merits but on the merits of Christ. Remember "1 Timothy 2:5 NLT [5] For, There is one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity-the man Christ Jesus. " God has provided His Son, Jesus Christ, to be the mediator between man and God. There is therefore no provision to pray to any Saint who has passed from this world.
Was Eve a goddess before the fall? Being sinless doesn't make a person a deity. Existing by one's own power, uncreated by anyone else is perfectly correlated to being a deity, but no one claims that for Mary. We don't even claim she had no need for a savior - quite the opposite. She absolutely needed a savior. She was saved at the moment of her conception - which shouldn't be so astounding, given that Adam and Eve were created sinless by God. He can do these things.
Mary is dead. Believing she can hear your prayers or the thousands of prayers sent to her each day is the problem here. Also believing it is even necessary to pray to her or any dead Saint is a problem. They are dead. If you believe this then yes you have made her an idol. An idol as dead as the idols worshipped by Israel, before God chastised Israel and exiled them to Babylon. Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and man.
You should go get a copy of the Catholic catechism and read it. Then you will know what the church officially teaches and what is e taught in the parishes. Protestants have an idea that Catholics don't understand their faith, but they don't realize that Catholics spent a few years as youths or adults taking classes on their faith. And we do read our Bible just as much as Protestants. We just don't worship it
Heres the part that catholics dont understand about the protestant polistion on this: We have no reason to believe that any non-God can hear prayers at all. Supposing that the dead can, saintly or otherwise, strikes one of necromancy, which is forbidden. I am agnostic on this point and chose to air on the side of caution, exclusively praying to God alone.
Necromancy is when a person employs demons to get a person who has died to talk to them. More typically, the medium is pretending, or there is a demon who pretends to be the person who has died. (This is why Saul's medium was so surprised to actually see Samuel) There are some obvious problems with that, starting with the word "demon". When we pray to Saints, we aren't trying to get them to talk back, and we're definitely not invoking demons. The Saints hear us because God enables it. In the rare event that Saints appear to us, that is also because God enables it, similarly to how, in Revelation, the Apostle John saw and/or spoke to angels and Saints, without any demons being involved. It seems weird to me that Protestants think the problem is that Saints can't hear us. We have an omnipotent God. It makes about as much sense as liberal Christians trying to ascribe the parting of the Red Sea or the Feeding of the 5000 to natural causes, because miracles are just too weird for them or something. The reason we believe this actually happens is because we believe in the Communion of Saints. We believe that those who die go either to hell, purgatory and then heaven, or heaven. Those who are not damned, are part of God's family with us, all united in the same covenant family. There is no spiritual barrier. We are united with Christ, they are united with Christ. There is only the physical barrier of death, and Christ has conquered death. The Saints in the first few centuries after Christ wrote about this: St. Ignatius of Antioch, St. Polycarp, St. Cyprian, St. Ambrose. That is why the Communion of Saints is in the Apostles Creed, ostensibly accepted by all Christians.
"We have no reason to believe that any non-God can hear prayers at al" So what evidence do you have that your god does hear prayers? Thanks and good luck.
@@geoffjs "can hear our prayers & intercede for us." LOL. Of course they can't. None of what you just said is real. You certainly don't have the evidence to support your claim. Good luck my friend.
@@TboneWTF Prayers of intercession are biblical, so prayer to Mary & the saints is rational 1 Tim 2 1-5 I urge you, first of all, to pray for all people. Rom 8 35-39 Death cannot separate Mk 12 26-27 God of the living Jas 5 16-18 Prayer of a good man Rom 12:5 Communion of saints Rev 5:8 6,8 saints offering prayer to God Heb 12 we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses Mt Tabor Jesus speaking with Moses & Elijah
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I'm a Protestant Christian here and seeking truth. I was curious: Is there anywhere a collection of what Mary has said in her apparitions? I feel a pull to the Catholic Church, so I am seeking out information and prayer. Thank you.
Read 2 Peter 3: 16......His( referring to Paul) letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort , as they do the other Scriptures to their own destruction. Jesus clearly put up a church to interpret the Bible.
Imagine missing out on true worship of God through partaking in the Eucharist because you perceive something to be something it’s not. Must be a miserable way to love the Lord.
The whole problem is the Protestants have a different definition of worship. Their worship is Catholic veneration. Catholic worship is the sacraments. Not singing, not praying, not praising…Divine union through sacrament and liturgy. Catholics don’t receive the body and blood of Mary, they don’t confess to Mary, they don’t baptize in the name of Mary. Mary is not the image that hangs above every Altar in every Church.
But yes, Catholics do venerate her and honor her and request her intercession because one of Christs last words was to confer her motherhood to His church.
Well Jews would also consider that "veneration" as worship wouldn't they?
Which Jews?
@ I’m not Jewish but I did recently do a Hebrew word study for “worship” because I noticed in the Strongs Concordance that the word “shahhah” was sometimes translated as worship and sometimes translated as “bow” or “submit” and would refer to humans bowing to other humans. So I looked for instances where a type of worship was considered sinful to figure out the distinction. It appears to me that an act of offering or sacrifice was the specific type of worship that was exclusive to God. They could venerate holy people and even objects such as the ark of the Covenant (a pre-figuration of Mary) but they could only offer sacrifice to YHWH. This is because the act of sacrifice symbolized matter being transmuted into Spirit.
@@claritasyoutubechannel3312 just do a Google search on how Jews back then and still today worship God. Their worship does not only constitute sacrifice.
@@joshuarivera2422 You know who I'll bet understood the distinction between veneration and worship? King James who was bowed to and referred to as "your worship." Funny...
As a former Protestant i can say that the typical, and even well versed, Protestant doesn't know these let things:
What prayer actually is (the definition mostly)
What worship is
That Mary is the arc of the New Covenant
What a Jewish queen was or did
When i learned all this the veil of propaganda lifted off my eyes.
Amen and God has blessed you. Every Protestant I explain these things you have mentioned to they are so brainwashed by lies and propaganda to not even want to listen to anyone who is not one of themselves.
I think the biggest reason has to do with Protestantism building on top of bad philosophy. When it comes to religion, these bad philosophies emphasize internal inspiration and things like conviction. So matters of faith and worship become dominated by emotionalism and strict definitions, precision, and even reason become largely absent. Things tend to get accepted because they sound good than whether they are well reasoned. This is why in Protestantism, you will not find too many, if any, strict definitions on matters like worship and prayer etc.
@@eufrosniad994Thank you for this well thought out but accurate description. It helps put things into perspective for me on how to be better patient when discussing things with Protestants on the Eucharist.
@@eufrosniad994In my occasional spats with a Fundamentalist buddy of mine, I’ve never seen him once make a philosophical argument, and only once did he ever make anything akin to a historical claim. It seems Protestantism’s entire apologetical methods boils down to throwing a heap of cherry-picked Bible verses at people and hoping that’s persuasive.
But you all dont know either
James White is one of the most convincing Catholic Apologist out there
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Heh!
You’re on the same crack as James White!
No, no….hear him out. He has a point. James White has done more to deepen my Catholic faith than shake it, I assure you.
@@Freedom_is_better_than_safetyonly if you’re coping
Catholicism calls for aid and Orthodoxy will answer!!
It is truly meet to bless you, O Theotokos, ever-blessed and most pure, and the Mother of our God.
More honorable than the Cherubim, and more glorious beyond compare than the Seraphim, without defilement you gave birth to God the Word.
True Theotokos we magnify you!
You guys get a pass on the hate!
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Love this!, it’s like the call to battle!
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The beacon! The beacon of Amon Dîn is lit!”
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Catholicism and Orthodoxy are like the two lungs of the body of Christ.
The more I as a protestant study the ancient church (Pre-Constantine), the more it looks more and more Catholic. If Catholicism was a heresy, the early church fathers would have decried it just like they did the Christological heresies of the time. The people of the early church were very devout. They had to go thorough 3 years of catechized training. Catholicism or what Protestants call paganism, did not creep in though the flock upwards. Rather Catholicism developed from the top down and was encouraged by the leadership on the early church. Not normally how a conspiracy develops in a human institution.
Except that the pre Nicene church doesn't support the concept of the Catholic Church at all. So. What exactly are you reading? The Catholic Church would have had them killed as heretics.
But I can understand that after years of Catholic indoctrination in schools and media and Hollywood how people would want to carry water for the elites.
Good points, and a refreshing, lucid honesty from you, sir.
There are so many examples of this. The Church functioned as a true Body, with the Church fathers acting as the immune system against heresy and derision.
Interesting thing is...the first 3 centuries, until Constantine, were fraught with persecution, and the Christians were regularly in flight from danger. This dispersed Christians worldwide.
Once Constantine legalized Christianity, it finally gave the Church breathing room to galvanize, solidify and define Her doctrine.
Amazingly enough, when Church fathers from around the world convened Ecumenical Councils in the 300's, they found that, even though the church groups had been separated by so much space & time, the form of worship/liturgy and doctrines were nearly identical.
Those who devoted themselves to the Apostles' teaching, even hundreds of years later, kept the deposit of faith intact.
THAT'S the Body of Christ. That's Catholicism. Give the Church time, and she'll root out all maladies.
The Church Father’s aren’t the standard. Heck, they’re not even a standard at all.
The only standard is the Bible (which was written by the apostles and the patriarchs before the fathers).
Put not man before God.
@@biblestudent4726 only the open minded and humble and sincere seeker can perceive truth. Those with preconceived mindsets will keep groping in the dark. Ultimately FAITH is a GIFT AND GRACE FROM THE LORD.
There are people that really do not understand the Catholic faith. We don’t worship Mary but we do find her blessed. That is in holy scripture.
We do worship Mary. Do not apologize for it. Traditionally understood to worship doesn't mean divine worship (latria) but just the highest form of Honor. Even in the Bible people like Abraham were worshipped.
@@petros-petradude worship requires sacrifice lol. We don’t worship Mary. We venerate her.
@@petros-petra how to explain it to someone who is not familiar with english? me for example, there is no translation abour "worship" in portugues. We use words "veneração" which resembles "veneration", also "adoração" which means "adoration". I have problems to deal with this term "worship", i simply dont use it while talking to someone that is english speaker, and i know the context of "worship" somewhat like veneration, but its very gray zone to explain to newcomers catholics. Yet its simplier to say honor to saints, high honor to Mary, and adoration spot with latria intenton only to God.
Yes, some protestants have lowish standart for what is worship, which implies offering to God, which is done during mass, also the intention of heart (i recognize this being as God) which doesnt happen to Mary or any just/saint/angel. And some would mention the bow, but romans mocked Jesus while bowing to Him, does it means they had intention of worship or being humble?
Mary has superior status in grace than anyone, that's why we bow and knee, but the intention of worship is only to Jesus, specially during offerings and His Eucharistical Body exposition. You can kiss a image of some saint, but you cannot kiss and have intimacy to touch Him like touching some creature, as our lips and hands are in dirt. This is another sign of ultimate respect towards God, not in veneration, but adoration in sense of latria.
@@rubemartur8239 You're exactly right, it's all about the intention. Unfortunately we live in a world of confusion and it might be wiser to avoid using the word worship in relation with the Saints. But we should also never lie about the fact that we do. The safest option is to stick to words that wont cause further confusion, i.e. honor/veneration and adoration (while all can be applied to God ofc)
@@petros-petra I would say this is simply a case of language shift. Living languages are constantly evolving. The word worship, while it has it's roots in giving proper worth to something or someone, is understood by most today as latria. Therefore when speaking about dulia, I think the terms honor and veneration work better in Modern English.
How many people keep photos of those who they love in their homes, and even kiss them? Respect and reverence are not the same as worship. There is no need for complicated arguments! +
@Roman-Labrador You okay?
You have a photograph of Mary?
Yeah, there is because people get weirded out when we do the same for our sweet, holy Mother.
@@lyndavonkanel8603 Mary is not our mother.
@@martinploughboy988 She's mine. Jesus gave her to all of us when He gave her to John, but you can disown her if you want. " Catholics.. venerate her and honor her and request her intercession because one of Christs last words was to confer her motherhood to His church." Pageu23
Protestants don’t know what the word worship is. It requires sacrifice. Praying is different than worship.
Because generally, Protestantism doesn’t offer liturgical sacrificial worship, they are not “church”, more like synagogue w8th prayer & teaching.
So you can pray to other Gods, but as long as you don't offer them a sacrifice is not worship?
@@joshuarivera2422 read the Old Testament dude and what was sacrifice . Christ shed his blood once and for all in the cross but left us the Eucharist which was foretold in Malachi 1 verse 11. Protestants surely lack what worship is since they don’t have valid ordination or basically a priesthood.
@@joshuarivera2422 More lack of logic!. Catholics only worship God
@@joshuarivera2422 what other gods are you talking about? Learn what praying is . Do you pray for others? Intercessory prayer is what it is.
Hail Mary, full of grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women,
And blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
Pray for us sinners,
Now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
Where is the worshiping part? Where does it say that she's at the level of Jesus? Where does it say that she is the neck that makes Jesus nod?
There is no worship without sacrifice. Therefore, there is no worship without the Eucharist. Never, in the history of the Church has the sacrifice of the mass ever been offered to the Blessed Virgin Mary. So to say we worship her is pure ignorance, because only someone who doesn't know what worship is can say such an absurdity.
Protestants confuse prayer with worship, because their father the devil has deceived them.
Well you have taken scripture and added stuff to it but recite that as if it was a direct reading of scripture.
As he was speaking, a woman in the crowd called out, “God bless your mother-the womb from which you came, and the breasts that nursed you!”
Jesus replied, “But even more blessed are all who hear the word of God and put it into practice.”❤ "EVEN MORE BLESSED" than Mary are those who hear the word of God and put it into practice.
Also you are "hailing" Mary and calling her the "Mother of God"...and then you pray to her as if she is God. God did not say that we need to pray to Mary in order to be saved...nor anything close to that either. You have been deceived! Believe on the Lord Jesus and thou shalt be saved...not Jesus AND Mary. Come on!❤my friend, get with Him!
@@barrycharlesbrebner What a bunch of babble. Please refrain from displaying such ignorance in the future.
@@ReginaCæliLætare If you care about me and love me then please explain to me, what is wrong with what i have said? If i am in error, then please explain to me what error. Instead of just calling what i said "a bunch of babble", and then insult me as if what i have said is as a display of ignorance. How so, how am ignorant in what i have said? ❤i love YOU! YOUR life and YOUR SOUL MATTERS to me!❤my friend.
@@barrycharlesbrebner No, I won't. These topics have been covered ad nauseam. I have no duty to educate you on readily available information. You have no excuse to not open the Catechism of the Catholic Church and read for yourself. Doing otherwise is willful ignorance on your part.
Came here from Avoiding Babylon to say I have accepted Mary as my mother and personal intersessor.
"Do whatever He tells you."
Why do u need an intersesser? Can u not pray? Do u not have the Holy Ghost? We could sort this out with a scientific test. 100 people pray to Mary 100 pray to Jesus. Record how many prayers are answered over say 3 months. Most answers wins. 😊
@@matthewashman1406 A: Love. God is love. Christ is love. The members of Christ's Body are love. Love loves love.
Don't make it forensic.
@@matthewashman1406 Does or does not your bible exhort us to pray constantly for each other? Per Revelation, is there a Church which worships in heaven? Then there are prayers in heaven. OH! Revelation 5:8 and 8:5. You CANNOT PRAY DIRECTLY TO GOD. That is arrogant. He is no respecter of you! The Saints and Angels RECEIVE your prayers and present them to the Father.
Now THAT"s intercession!
Just read ALL of your bible and not 5-7 verses.
Yes, especially for those who are doing the full consecration of the Blessed Virgin Mary by St. Louis de Montfort.
Mary is the blessed and holy mother of our Savior. She is deserving our love.
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
All generations will call her blessed.
@@evelynyvargas As he was speaking, a woman in the crowd called out, “God bless your mother-the womb from which you came, and the breasts that nursed you!”
Jesus replied, “BUT EVEN MORE BLESSED are all who hear the word of God and put it into practice.”❤
@@barrycharlesbrebner Mother Mary heard the word of God and put it into practice.
@@evelynyvargas yes i agree Mary did! And i hope that you do too❤my friend
A very well thought out, edifying response! Thank you Mr. Holdsworth!
I am a cradle Catholic, 74 years old, and as a young man, I didn’t take my faith for granted. I started searching for reasons to remain in the Catholic Church and spent decades exploring and questioning. In the end, I realized that I was already in the place I truly belonged.
I find it amusing when non-Catholics try to tell me how I worship or what I believe as in, for example, the case of “worshiping Mary”. It’s strange that, even when I explain my faith to them, they act as though I’m lying or withholding something. Why would I hide what I genuinely believe? I am genuinely interested in converting them.
Can you help me understand, he says that the pagans prayed to idols because they wanted something in return. And that catholic pray to saints only to draw closer to Christ. My question is then , I have heard that if you have back pain to pray to st Gemma. Or if you’re struggling with lust, pray to st Joseph. Is that also the same concept as a pagan, to pray in order to receive something ?
@@AncientCornelius From a Catholic’s perspective, the veneration of Mary and the saints is fundamentally different from pagan idol worship or seeking favors from false gods. Here's how Catholics understand and practice this aspect of their faith:
Veneration vs. Worship
Catholics do not worship Mary or the saints. Worship is reserved for God alone. Instead, Catholics venerate the saints and give special honor to Mary, as the Mother of God. This veneration is similar to how we might honor our own family members or respected figures in society, but elevated due to their closeness to God.
Intercessory Prayer
When Catholics pray to saints, they are actually asking the saints to pray to God on their behalf. This is called intercessory prayer, and it's based on the belief that those in heaven are alive in Christ (as in the Body of Christ) and can intercede for us. This practice is rooted in Scripture:
1. "Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working." (James 5:16)
2. In Revelation 5:8, we see the saints in heaven offering the prayers of those on earth to God: "And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints."
Biblical Foundation
The concept of asking others to pray for us is well-established in the Bible:
1. St. Paul frequently asks others to pray for him (Romans 15:30-32, Ephesians 6:19, Colossians 4:3, 1 Thessalonians 5:25).
2. Jesus himself prays for others (John 17:9, Luke 22:32).
Examples of Holiness
Catholics look to the saints as examples of holiness and faith. Their lives serve as inspirational models for how to follow Christ more closely. This is in line with St. Paul's exhortation: "Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ" (1 Corinthians 11:1).
Specific Patronages
While certain saints are associated with particular needs (like St. Gemma for back pain or St. Joseph for chastity), this is not about seeking favors from the saints themselves. Rather, it's about asking these saints, who have demonstrated particular virtues or experienced similar struggles, to intercede with God on our behalf. The ultimate source of any grace or healing is always God.
Communion of Saints
This practice is part of the Catholic belief in the communion of saints - the spiritual union of all members of the Christian church, whether in heaven, on earth, or in purgatory. We are all part of the Body of Christ, and death does not sever this connection. The soul lives on.
In essence, Catholic veneration of saints is about recognizing the holiness of those who have gone before us in faith, seeking their prayers, and striving to follow their example in our own journey towards Christ. It's not about worshiping them or seeking favors from them directly, but about strengthening our connection to the entire Christian family and, ultimately, drawing closer to God.
@@crazyedswonderfulworldofso9370 thank you for that . But my question is how isn’t praying to saints for specific things not transactional self benefit ?
@@AncientCornelius Thanks for your follow-up question. It's an important point that deserves clarification.
When Catholics pray to saints for specific intentions, it's not meant to be a transactional or self-serving practice. Instead, it's rooted in the concept of spiritual communion and the belief in the power of intercessory prayer. It’s an attempt to improve ourselves for God. It’s an attempt to get holier, which only meas getting closer to God. Here's how we understand it:
1. Praying to saints is about building relationships within the spiritual family of God, not engaging in a quid pro quo exchange. It's similar to asking a close friend or family member to pray for you during a difficult time.
2. Catholics believe that any benefits or graces come from God, not from the saints themselves. The saints are seen as intercessors or advocates before God, not as the source of the benefit.
3. When we ask for a saint's intercession, it's always with the understanding that we're seeking God's will, not demanding a specific outcome. The prayer often includes "if it be God's will."
4. Often, the act of praying and connecting with the saints helps in spiritual growth and closer alignment with God's teachings, which is the ultimate goal.
5. This practice reinforces the idea of a spiritual community that extends beyond our earthly existence, providing comfort and support.
6. Praying to saints who faced similar challenges can provide inspiration and guidance on how to navigate our own difficulties in a Christ-like manner. The goal as a Christian is to become more like Christ.
While it may seem transactional on the surface, the deeper intention is to grow in faith, seek God's will, and draw closer to the entire community of believers - both living and in heaven. The focus remains on God, with saints serving as spiritual friends and mentors in our faith journey.
@@AncientCornelius You can ask a friend to do things for you without your friendship being fundamentally transactional, yes? While transactional relationships exist, they are hardly the only kind, and that is not the kind of relationship we have with Saints. True devotion does not cease simply because the prayer is not granted, or not granted immediately.
As a Protestant inquiring about Catholicism I have a question around this. I’ve been attending a Catholic Church for the last couple months and I would say almost weekly they will sing a song in the church service to Mary. It isn’t asking her for intercession but simply giving her “praise” or veneration. Maybe it’s just my old Protestant mind but I find it uncomfortable to sing a song like this in the middle of a worship service to God. I can fully understand veneration of her outside of a service but doing it in between worship songs to God feels out of place. I appreciate any responses 😊
May I share what God thinks about praising Mary? (My thoughts in parentheses)
Psalms 45:9-17
“Kings' daughters were among thy HONORABLE women: upon thy right hand did stand the QUEEN (Rev. 12) in gold of Ophir. Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house; So shall the KING GREATLY DESIRE THY BEAUTY: for HE IS THY LORD; and worship thou him (only). And the daughter of Tyre shall be there with a gift (Lk. 1:28); even the rich among the people shall ENTREAT THY FAVOUR (intercession). The king's daughter is all GLORIOUS WITHIN (immaculate): her clothing is of wrought gold. SHE shall be brought unto the king in raiment of needlework: the virgins (religious women) her companions that follow her shall be brought unto thee. With gladness and rejoicing shall they be brought: they shall enter into the king's palace (heaven). Instead of thy fathers shall be thy children (mother of the christians) whom thou mayest make princes (bishops) in all the earth. I WILL make THY NAME to be REMEMBERED IN ALL GENERATIONS (Lk. 1:48) therefore shall the people PRAISE THEE FOR EVER AND EVER.”
Interesting. The only time I ever hear Marian hymns sung at mass is on Marian feast days. As a former Protestant, I get that concern, but I don’t think it’s any different in substance than offering a standard praise of Mary which happens in most of the Eucharistic prayers and during the penitential prayer. Just because it’s longer doesn’t change the substance and since the mass is a participation in heavenly worship, she (and all the angels and saints) are present in a way in the worship of the mass.
I don’t know if that’s helpful at all, but that’s how I think of it. Hope
your journey continues well!
@@michaeljefferies2444 That's very unfortunate. Solid liturgy ends with a Marian hymn appropriate for the liturgical season.
I think it might help if you stop thinking about worship of God as primarily happening at the church service.
If every act you do is offered to God ("whatever you do, do it heartily, as to the Lord") then your entire life becomes one stream of worship. But your life will still involve honoring, respecting, and greeting other people, as it does now. Honoring people, made in the image and likeness of God, will naturally be interspersed and made part of honoring God. That is what the interspersing of praise of Mary and the Saints at Mass, with praising and worshiping God, is pointing us to.
Here's a quote from St. Therese that I think fits, although she was talking about being charitable to irritating fellow nuns, rather than about venerating Our Lady: "I ... offered all her virtues and merits to God. I was sure that Jesus would be delighted at this, for artists always like to have their work praised, and it pleases the Divine Artist of souls when, not stopping at the exterior, we penetrate the inner sanctuary where He dwells, to admire its beauty."
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
1:50 took me a while to realize this was sarcasm. I just became Catholic a few months ago and I just recently became secure in my relationship with Mary so you genuinely had me concerns lmao
Do you listen to your mother or to some for-profit preacher who claims to be your brother while taking your money?
Our Blessed Mother will never let you down.
Me as well.
Welcome home! I converted back in 2004. I thought Mary was a stumbling block, but She's turned out to be the greatest treasure.
Pax tecum!
@@benjaminwood8126 Amen! The "opposition" is always demanding a choice between Christ OR His mother. He gave us BOTH Himself and His mother.
Thanks for your video Brian. I am a Protestant/Pentecostal believer but enjoy your videos. As someone who was raised Catholic it was my experience that many Catholics were unaware of the difference between the worship of Jesus and the veneration of Mary. Even if this doctrine is properly understood the common practice of venerating Mary is hard to distinguish between worship. In practical terms Mary was often put on equal and even sometimes a higher plane than Jesus.
For example, on more than one occasion, I heard that you had a better chance of getting your prayers answered if you prayed to Mary instead of Jesus. She was often portrayed a kinder and more willing to provide your request than Jesus. There are another other examples such as the many statues of Mary that people kneeled before and prayed to often more so than that of Jesus. I sometimes see statues of Mary in peoples' yards but rarely one of Jesus.
In practical terms, the highest form of worship is the Mass, and that is never offered to Mary, but only to God.
Holy Mary Mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
Mary cannot pray for you.
She cannot hear your prayers because she is dead and wirh the Lord.
Only God is worthy to hear our prayers.
We are to go boldly before the throne of grace and make our prayers known to God, not mary
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
What you are doing is taking away from God & giving to Mary.
God hears our prayers, it is He who loved us so much He saved us. He loved us more than Mary ever could.
@@martinploughboy988It's called intercession, no one is taking something from God and giving it to Mary. If you actually studied Catholicism, we actually pray to God directly. Salvation is a family issue. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective and who is more righteous on this earth than the Saints in heaven? No one because the Saints are in the presence of God and they are in union with God. Rev 5:8, Rev 8:3-4 is pretty clear on this and also the book of Maccabees actually has Jeremiah the prophet interceding for the nation of Israel from Heaven and praying for them and if anyone in heaven can't intercede for us, how do explain this? Also don't get this confused with necromancy because it isn't and necromancy is asking the dead like someone from hell for secret information or knowledge while saint intercession isn't asking someone for secret info or knowledge but making a request to intercede for us. When Catholics pray to the Saints, they don't mean that they pray to them like if they were to be God because we use the old English word for prayer which is to simply "ask" and that's how old English texts rendered it as. Saint intercession is like asking someone to pray for you. Also memory functions and time works differently in Heaven than on Earth as the Saints don't have memory problems and the Saints have all of eternity to answer every single request and they don't answer all of them at once and they don't need to be omniscient to answer all of them because an omniscient mind is only needed when the numbers are infinite. Saint intercession works like this: when you ask a saint to pray for you, they will pray on behalf of you like they pray to God directly.
@@martinploughboy988 that is true! i find it really sad that people disregard what God has written and what God is testifying to. They trade the truth for lies. i hope that they will realize their mistakes and then run to God to be saved. i hope they will realize that we are reaching out to them with the love of God because we would hate to see them parish.❤
Holy, Immaculate, and Blessed Mother, we love you!
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
The Theotokos ! Greek for the God Bearer . We the Orthodox , as well as the Latins venerate The Mother of God . We do not worship Her . The Latins do sometimes take it to the extreme. Imagine the world if she told Gabriel no . Now as to Protestants and their knee jerk reaction of her name , this comes from the faulted minds of the faulted reformer fathers trying to destroy any trace of any connection to the Latin church . The Theotokos , the mother of God was not a broken vessel to be tossed away after the birth of Christ to be forgotten . He put on flesh and dwelt among us. He had a runny nose just like we did and his mother wiped his nose . We ask for Her intercession in prayer , and get ready for this pastor Bob , to save us . Save us from the humanity of out faulted human condition. From being tempted from what ever human passions / temptation we suffer from. You practice a 600 yr plus version of reformation ist Christianity , you use a truncated version of a Bible that needed the name of a king to give it credibility Here I stand . Have at me
"You kneel in front of Mary statues."
"You bow down to statues and images."
"You pray to saints."
These popular arguments all have these things in common:
1. They blatantly ignore the actual Catholic teachings, which are easily accessible via the web. This is just willful ignorance in this day and age.
2. They all revolve around THEM. THEY equate bowing as worship. THEY have only one definition or mode of prayer. THEY don't believe in using art to enhance faith. "ME, ME, ME". Yes, this is a very childish way of looking at things and from which to argue one's point. They make themselves the center of the universe in which everything they assume must be so and where they cannot possibly be wrong.
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
If it walks like a pagan, talks like a pagan, and acts like a pagan, you're looking at a pagan.
No fear Doc White ... No one could venerate and love Mary more than her Son
Anthony has shown me the way. I have accepted Mary as my mother and personal intersessor. Thanks 👍🏻🙏🏻 AB.
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
Laughed pretty good at your sarcasm dude, it was an unexpected and funny switch up from your usual style.
Thanks!
RHETORICAL: Fetal Microchimerism. Mary has living DNA of Jesus in her body. Can we worship those few cells, since they ARE Jesus?
This is a great reason for why Mary is so blessed and holy. Truly the Queen of Heaven and Mother of God.
Interesting point. Also, Jesus' flesh and blood comes entirely from Mary, so does His DNA.
@@michaelbarry1664 The mother of all who hold to the gospel. God does not maintain a single parent family!
@@ReginaCæliLætare Has that been decided? I thought that half His DNA was Divine? Has to be, right?
@@HAL9000-su1mz I don't know if the Church has made any formal pronouncement on Jesus' DNA. But the DNA analysis of the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano revealed that the DNA of the blood and flesh was only from a mother, with no paternal DNA present.
Accept as my personal mother - I accept and love my mother, that doesn't mean I think she's equal to God. I might have friends who would intercede for me in some situation, doesn't make them equal to God either
Translation: I just want to believe that Catholics think Mary is equal to God.
Jesus crucified the flesh of the first Adam! And was resurrected as the second Adam in a perfect body.
@@claritasyoutubechannel3312 If you go to Mary as your advocate you are stealing from Jesus. Venerate is just another word for worship.
@@martinploughboy988 If you ask someone to pray for you you are stealing from Christ.
Veneration is a form of worship but it is not the same form of worship as adoration is, we owe Christ adoration, not mere veneration.
@@claritasyoutubechannel3312 You aren't asking someone to pray for you, you are making Mary your advocate. Jesus is our only advocate. In any case, Mary is dead, she cannot hear you.
Venerate means worship, including adoration.
Mine Protestant family insists Roman Catholicism was pagan and somehow Luther came along and made it Christian. I told them, if that were true, Martin Luther would be equally paganistic and Protestantism stands no chance at salvation. They went very silent afterwards.
Let's see...what were the key indicators of pagan worship in ancient Israel? Sexual immorality, devaluing of marriage, and child sacrifice. How many Protestant "churches" have embraced sexual immorality and child sacrifice in our time? Almost all have so watered down their view of marriage that divorce and remarriage is extremely common and unquestionably accepted without anything like annulment. Many make no issue of fornication - after all, "Jesus died for all your sins, past, present, and future." That theology basically makes for, "Anything goes. If you feel guilty, just ask for forgiveness in your heart, and move on." Most have also fully embraced artificial contraception and some even support abortion. Only the Catholic Church has held firm on all elements of sexual morality, the deep, theological meaning of marriage, and the sanctity of the marriage act in being always open to life.
How come St. John the Baptist can dance before our lady but I can't according to protestant logic even kneel before her icon and as much as greet her. I'm sorry but my home is with Christ, we are one big family. It's sound then for one to look to the holy family, and moreover look to our lady. If we are to do God's will, we must protect Christ and foster Christ's life in others. It's wrong for us to think we are going into this without examples. Why not see Christ through their eyes. Seek and you will find.
The devil keeps them obsessed with a hatred (his own hatred) of She who crushes the head of the serpent, as it is that Woman from Biblical history who has the most power, outside of Christ, to stop him. He further keeps them enslaved to sin because sin is pleasurable. It's like making them hate the solution to the problem so they do not invoke Her.
"Blessed be God: in His Angels and in His Saints." They dishonor God in His Saints by discounting their holiness (holiness is linear: increasing in order and Charity, it also means "closeness to God") and then worship-by following-the heretic (heretic= to choose whatever you want to believe, not the whole Truth) Martin Luther as the founder of their religion, who is famous for hanging himself-murdering himself- due to the depression he wrought upon himself by abandoning Truth to pick up falsehood, which drove him insane.
I have one of his books named "The Jews and their Lies". A real eye opener.
"And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.” Do not be deceived: Jesus is the one that crushes/crushed the head.❤
We're still not sure if Martin Luther really did unalived himself. That is still up for debate.
@@johnpaulpascua3569it is not up for debate. There is zero evidence whatsoever that he did such. There is no reason to believe he did and that he did was simply slander put forward by his opponents
Thanks, Brian. The crack about Catholics being outed with video footage of Marian processions made me laugh!.
Jesus is King and Mary is His Heavenly Mother. Gloria!
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
Mary is His earthly mother, the mother of the man Jesus who is God.
STM it would be valuable, illuminating, helpful, & morally good, to ask, and find out, just what people mean, when they make this accusation of "worshipping Mary". I think it's very important to understand what is meant by Objection X, &, why Objection X is made. And also; is there, and has there has been, anything in Catholic teaching or practice that makes the objection look plausible or true ?
Protestantism doesn’t understand proper worship as generally, they don’t believe in sacrificial liturgical worship Jn 6 51-58. They have no altars so not “church”, more like a synagogue with prayer & teaching.
God bless you brother.
As usual sir, you are quite charitible and admirable in your technically correct defense. However, I want to make an attempt to shed White in a more favorable light. We should own up that millions of ignorant Catholics probably do "worship" Mary in ways that are idolotrous, lets be honest. It does not help that popes have encouraged pagan rituals. The images from the Amazon synod do not help. I don't think its fair to label White as "anti-Catholic simply because the distinctions we make between worship and veneration do not measure up in his estimation. He gets along great with Father Pacwa. In fact, White is a great teacher on the Trinity and on Islam, we actually have a lot in common. To me, anti-Catholic infers a nasty spirit. I think of Chick-tracs, or independent fundamental Baptists like Dave Hunt, or your run of the mill evangelical like John MacArthur. White is more nuanced and I don't think labeling him anti-Catholic is a fair characterization. It is an old tactic used by CA that I don't think is charitible.
At 7:15 Brian said, "to worship Mary like God goes against church teaching and tradition". White pays attention and observes like many of us Catholics, that Rome doesn't seem to give a hang about tradition. It seems that truth no longer seems to be revealed, but is now "voted on". White, like many of us see the audacity of a pope thinking he can abrogate one of the sanctions that came with the Noahic covenant, the death penalty for murder, not to meantion approving the blessing of unnatural affections. White knows about the decades of seminaries recruiting men that lean that way and our credibility suffers terribly with years of widespread abuse scandals and cover ups.
Its not easy to promote the faith to those like White when it seems that our leaders are explicitely auditioning for the role of the "Harlet of Babylon" with all the globalism and false ecumenism, denying that Christ is the only way. I think White's conclusions are perfectly reasonable given Catholic witness over the last 3-4 decades. Rather than criticize White, we should lament the horrid witness of the church in recent years and pray for our renewal.
THANK YOU!!!!!! I could NOT have summed it up better myself!! You're in line with what Bishop Strickland and AB Vigano has been trying to tell us. God bless you!!
😂 I love you Brian
But on a serious note. Why do we never see processions with Christ down the streets shutting down traffic. It's always with Mary. Asking for real.
Marian feast days you see Marian statues. Eucharistic processions are more common (in the TLM.).
Am surprised you have not seen all the Eucharistic ones.
Heck Louisiana recently built the worlds largest monstrance in order to have a Eucharistic procession down the river and through the bayous.
Hmm.. Mabey ask if you can have more Eucharistic processions. I do agree that they are INCREDIBLY important.
Man I love Jesus.
Semana Santa festivals are common in Spain and South America, where the Passion of Christ is reenacted or shown in painting/statues/floats depending on the region. I don’t think that really answers your question though - because I think at the heart of your question is a strong desire to reject Christ’s true church in favor of your man-made Protestant one - and you will never run out of invented objections to continue to do so.
Processions with the host inside monstrance (blessed sacrament holder) are common. Jesus is literally blood and flesh in the host.
Became Catholic by 13 years ago and it made perfect sense to ask someone in heaven to pray for me
Protestant and demon are same page when comes to Mary the mother of Jesus.
God loved us so much that he gave us all 2 mothers.
Hail mary, full of grace, The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.
Holy Mary Mother of God, pray fornus sinners, now and at the hour of hour death.
These are prayers .
To a dead woman.
Prayers to anyone save for the Lord God is heresy.
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
@@tedfeastMaybe you can help me. Where does the Bible say prayer to anyone but God is heresy?
I don't think it was sarcasm of Anthony. Have you read the glories of Mary by St. Alphons Maria Ligouri? He states, that God wants to give all graces through Mary and that without Mary we all would we lost BECAUSE GOD WISHES to honor his mother, because he was pleased to be a debtor to one of his creatures, Mary, for his human nature. He wants to get the human race saved ONLY through the graces merited by Jesus and dispensed by Mary.
Sure. You might say that Jesus is like the power plant, and Our Lady is like the circuit breaker. The circuit breaker is not going to provide any power by itself - which is entirely unlike pagan gods.
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
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Isn’t the easiest answer to provide one church document declaring Mary as divine and worthy of worship.
All the false Protestant teachers do is produce their own interpretation of Mary
Nobody honored Mary more than Jesus and we should follow in His footsteps
Is Mary omnipotent? If not, how can she hear prayers?
She is neither omnipotent nor omniscient. Heaven exists outside of time, and we can say that being in Heaven, dwelling in God’s House/Glory in the fullness of the Body of Christ gives the saints the ability to hear prayers through God’s power as they are perfectly united to Him. This also doesn’t make Mary omniscient, because true omniscience would be things like knowing every mathematical/scientific truth of the world, as well as possible truths, or the end of time, for example. Anything granted through a saint’s intercession is only through their intercession, it’s ultimately from God. If you have friends pray for you here for healing and you are healed, it was God that healed you, but your friends prayers were powerful in interceding for you
Another thing is that “prayers to the saints” is a colloquial term, the use of the word “prayer” in this context is the Old English meaning “to request.” This is where the contraction “privy” comes from “ex., privy, hand me a bottle.” It’s actually called intercession of the saints but the word prayer is used colloquially as in “request” to the saints (to pray for us). It’s not the same type of “prayer” as to God.
WOW That’s a whole BUNCH of extra-Biblical & anti-Biblical fantasy going on there
@@Ari-ih2nl Well, seeing as the pillar and bulwark of truth is not the Bible but the Church, I don't see the problem. Remember, the Sources of Revelation are Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium, not Scripture alone.
Mary is called the "Destroyer of Heresies" due to her role in defending the Church from false teachings. This title was especially emphasized during the Counter-Reformation and is rooted in key historical and doctrinal moments. At the Council of Ephesus (431 AD), Mary was declared Theotokos (Mother of God) to combat the Nestorian heresy, which denied the unity of Christ's divine and human natures (Luke 1:43; CCC 466). Her Immaculate Conception counters Pelagianism, which denied original sin and grace, as defined in Ineffabilis Deus (1854) and supported by Luke 1:28 and CCC 491. Mary's perfect faith and obedience, seen in her "fiat" (Luke 1:38), serve as a model for all Christians (CCC 967). Historically, during the Counter-Reformation, the Church reinforced Marian doctrines to protect orthodoxy from Protestant challenges, with papal documents like Divina Supplicatio (1568) invoking her intercession. Finally, Revelation 12:1 portrays Mary as the "Woman clothed with the sun," symbolizing her victory over heresy and evil.
Excellent!
The “cult of Mary” as we understand it, appears in the 4th century as a consequence of the Arian controversy, The Arians denied the doctrine of the Incarnation.Defeated at they Council
of Nicaea. they continued to push their agenda at the Imperial Court , and to persuade Constantine to rehabilitate Arius. by restate his doctrine in ways that denied the contrast between Catholic and Arian christology. Only the sudden death of Arius prevented him from being agains received at Court, Neverless the heir of Constantine from taking the side of the :Seminarian: bishop, and when he become Emperor, it was suddenly the Catholics who’ were in disfavor, Devotion to Mary in the form of basilicas devoted to Mary, as Christian now began became public for the first time every where in the Empire. Reverence
to Mary became a feature of Catholic Christology as did the emphasis on the Holy Spirit. It can be said we honor Mary as the Mother of God because we are Trinitarians, Because the Protestants do so little homor to Mary, their Trinitarianism trends to be vaguely expressed. and in general toward Nestorianism.
Yes! Every heresy regarding Christ or our relationship with God is guaranteed to run smack into a teaching about Mary.
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
Brian, why don’t we see the Apostles praying to Moses and Elijah? Why don’t we see St Paul praying to the Apostles who preceded him in martyrdom? Why don’t we see the early church venerating and praying to St Stephen right after he is stoned to death? The fact is, we do not see prayer directed to anyone or anything other than God, as an act of worship, anywhere in the Old or New Testament. In addition to this lack of Scriptural evidence, why don’t we see prayer to the Saints in Clement, Irenaeus, Ignatius, Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Cyprian of Carthage, Athenagoras, Tertullian, the Didache …? The list goes on. We see inklings of the practice organically developing in the third century and then it really spreads in the fourth. It is so very clearly an accretion that was not part of the Apostolic Deposit. I would love to hear your thoughts. I was Orthodox for many years and found great value in praying to the Saints until I really dug into the history and gave some of the classical Protestant critiques of the practice a chance. I’d love to be proven wrong. ✌️
Brian says that the pagans prayed to idols because they wanted to receive something in return. But catholics pray to saints to draw closer to Christ. I have heard time and again that praying to st Anthony can help you find. St Gemma may heal your back. St Joseph will help battle lusts of the flesh, isn’t that praying to saints to receive something ? Does brain contradict himself? He put as “transactional benefit”
Jesus gave us one instruction when he died to wait for the holyspirit.
Even Mary had to be filled with the holyspirit in the upper room. And the apostles preached Jesus and the holyspirit. It is sad how Catholics ignore the holyspirit and focus on saints. Without the holy spirit you cannot become an effective Christian.
I thank the lord for clearing your understanding on this matter, you are blessed many die without seeing the truth
Where did you see that they didn't? How do you know that the surviving Apostles didn't visit the burial places of those who preceded them in martyrdom to ask their prayers for perseverance like we know the early Christians did in the catacombs? Even John at the end of his Gospel says that not everything Jesus said and did was recorded; the same could be said of Luke and the Acts of the Apostles. There are undoubtedly things the Apostles said and did that weren't recorded but passed down in teaching and practice (the true meaning of Sacred Tradition).
Let’s assume you’re correct, and the practice of seeking the intercession of the saints was a practice that organically developed and began to show itself in the 3rd century. Why does that mean it’s a wrong and false accretion, especially if it’s based in biblical principles?
@@mitchellguidry1078 I think you are misunderstanding the argument. It’s not what I *am* seeing, it’s what all of us together are *not* seeing. And that is any evidence of prayer to the Saints in the Old or New Testament. We don’t have any evidence at all of the Apostles doing this, or the people who sat at their feet, or the people who sat at their feet. Not until a few centuries after Christ, when pagans were flooding into the Church. And it looks an awful lot like a pagan practice - surely you will grant that. Maybe if we had St Clement and St Ignatius mentioning it, I’d grant that, “ok, St Polycarp and St Justin Martyr and St Irenaeus … they just happened to be silent on the issue, but clearly some Christians somewhere were practicing this … so maybe.” But we don’t have that. Literally none of them mention the practice until the third and really the fourth century.
This whole having intermediaries between man and God to pray to is just nonsense. Even Jesus taught us to pray directly to the Father in heaven. If you want to properly venerate Mary, then pray for her, not through her.
If your brother asked you to pray for him, would you?
@IG88AAA that's not what you are doing though
Protestants don’t understand praying … Prayer is just Spiritual conversion, it depends what u say !! You can ask God for blessings , but it’s not worship !! It DEPENDS ON WHAT U SAY IN THE PRAYER .
Same with Mary , Catholics pray(spiritual conversion) with Mary for her to pray(worship) God on our behalf
I have been a catholic my whole life and have worshipped God in prayers, actions and thoughts. Never once did I ever pray, acted or thought of Mother Mary in the same way as I do to God.
Protestesting for the sake of differentiation has just become the 'raison d'etre' for protestants to be protestants. No critical thinking nor intellectual honesty required.
Spot on, my thoughts too. Catholics have explained this to Protestants 'ad nauseam' They waste their time trolling the Catholic Faith.
Thank you Mr. Holsworthy for explaining this yet again.
Mary is not in the Eucharist. That's the clearest answer to this argument.
But the flesh of Jesus Came from Mary, somehow Eucharist have the DNA of Mary. 😊
100% of Jesus' flesh and blood comes from the Blessed Virgin Mary.
It is interesting. Protestants used to get very upset over the Eucharist, which we actually do worship as God. Now they seem to object much more to us honoring Mary, which they used to be ok with and do themselves.
@@duathellto1460no we still completely disagree with your worship of the communion wafer.
It's a symbol.
It does not transmogrify into the actual flesh of Christ.
The biggest difference here is this:
You praise the dead and crucified Christ.
We praise him for his sacrifice but his resurrection is what grants us eternal life.
Because he rose again we too through faith csn have eternal life.
His death alone was not enough.
That's why we remember his death through communion. But we worship the risen Christ.
@@tedfeast
I was speaking of the relative levels of upset, not claiming that Protestants have started agreeing with the doctrine of the Eucharist.
You draw some very odd demarcations, from the Catholic point of view. Jesus is one person. We might focus on various aspects of His life, passion, death, and resurrection, but we worship Him, not His status at various points in time. If you're going to strictly draw lines such that no worship can take place except by considering Him in His current status, you can't worship the Risen Christ, you may only worship the Ascended Christ. Which we will also consider to be a weird focus on status rather than Person. At any rate, the Mysteries of the Rosary walk us through His Resurrection and Ascension as well as His Incarnation, birth, Passion, and death. We honor all parts of His life, because they all were necessary for our salvation, but mostly because they are all eminently honorable. His baby smiles are worthy of praise. There is a lot of focus on His death, because that is what is important for us, now: "For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his." We hope for our resurrection, therefore the present business is dying to self, picking up our crosses, and following after Him. But there are a fair number of devotions to Jesus, considered post-resurrection. There is the Divine Mercy devotion, where Christ is clearly post-Resurrection, Eucharistic devotion, Christ Pantocrator, the Sacred Heart devotion, and then Christ as Salvator Mundi is common in artwork.
We might be more focused on the Passion than you, but it's hardly exclusionary. It is some Protestants who are exclusionary in rejecting depictions of the Passion. We take it all.
It amazes me how many Protestants spend so much of their time trying to go after Catholicism by twisting words and ignoring church teachings and traditions passed down from the Apostles and Jesus himself. By constantly trying to drive a wedge in religion, is Protestantism ultimately doing God's work or Satan's?
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
Neither the Apostles nor Jesus told us to venerate or pray to Mary.
We are driven by the love of God to reach out to the lost, because we grieve for them. We do not want anyone to parish, so we reach out, proclaiming the truth in hopes that people will turn from their sin, turn from lies and deception in order to be saved by grace through faith in Jesus. It is definitely not a waste of the time we have been given, we are servants of all. As as Lord is the servant King!❤Praise King Jesus!
I get your perspective on praying to the Saints and Mary. My concern is this idea that Mary was an immaculate conception i.e. mary’s mother conceived Mary as a virgin. This is extra biblical and Mary outside the need of Christ’s redemption.
That is not what the dogma of the immaculate conception teaches. It teaches that Mary was preserved free from the effects of original sin since conception
Please Google what the Immaculate conception is
That's not what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception is. You're clearly misinformed. When Mary is referred to "kaire, kekaritomene", or “hail, full of grace" in Luke 1, a more literal translation would be "hail, she who has been graced". Can something literally full of God's grace commit sin?
Furthermore, St. Luke uses the perfect passive participle, kekaritomene, as his “name” for Mary. This word literally means “she who has been graced” in a completed sense. This verbal adjective, “graced,” is not just describing a simple past action. Greek has another tense for that. The perfect tense is used to indicate that an action has been completed in the past, resulting in a present state of being. “Full of grace” is Mary’s name.
This doesn't even scratch the surface of the Biblical evidence for Mary's sinlessness. There's plenty of compelling typological arguments to Mary being the New Ark of the Covenant and the New Eve. We clearly see throughout Scripture that the New Covenant is more greater than the Old. If someone was struck dead for touching the Old Ark since it was so holy, how much holier is the New Ark?
Our Lady was preserved by our Lord from sin through His grace because it would not be fitting for Him to have come through a broken vessel. Mary was saved from sin for this reason. Blessed John Dunns Scotus explained this much better than most in his work on the primacy of Christ if you need a resource. And if you do pray to Mary for her intercession please know that she herself referred to herself as “the Immaculate Conception” to St Bernadette at Lourdes, the poor uneducated child who had no idea what that meant and this was partly how the bishop was convinced of the authenticity of the our Lady’s apparition at Lourdes.
God bless, ave Maria!
Adam and Eve were created sinless
Why not Mary?
I feel sorry for the Christians out there who dont have the comfort of knowing Jesus' mother, who he offered to us, is with us at all times.
My favourite gnostic statement on idolatry in history, get rekt protties
You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down (lit. Venerate) to them or serve (lit. Worship) them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Our opinion is simple and clear, the True Living and Invisible God is to be Worshipped in spirit and truth, and only this true inward piety of the heart is acceptable to the only Lord and saviour. We follow the patriarchs, prophets, apostles and ancient fathers, and not the 7th council fathers who believed that the true and loving God could be captured within a painting or carved work, which has no ears to hear your prayers or eyes to see your works.
I believe John Calvin had a high view of marry, also John Knox started discouragement of venerating of marry I believe I got this information by Catholic Answers
People like James white act like the 1st century church was your
believe traditional evangelical Protestant churche(i.e. a country club church )
Mary not marry
Justin Martyr
Apology tells us that Christian worship was at least more like that of a Lutheran service than that of the Geneva form. Even Calvin intended the Eucharist to celebrated on every
Lord’s Day. because he know that is what the Early Christians did, It is well-known that the Real Prescence was the last part of Catholic doctrine he gave up, Even in his Institutes, his views on the Eucharist are more ambivalent than what became the practice in Calvinist Church where were Zwinglian. The Lutheran Church of course moved toward the Calvinist views. The object of Course was to emphasize their rejection of th Authority of the Catholic Church.
In any case Protestantism is far more subjective than Catholic, even gnostic.
We don't worship her, we ask for her intercession and we aspire to her perfect worship of Christ.
You can ask the Father yourself. He's not angry 😊
@@matthewashman1406so then stop asking your friends and family to pray for you.
@@rraddena I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about. Of course I pray to the Father, every day. And I pray for others. Our blessed mother is the queen of the saints and the perfection of the feminine ideal for us women to aspire to. Why be hostile to the mother of God?
@@anniethompson1041 i was responding to matthew
@@rraddena I see, apologies. I was not awake yet:)
Pack it up boys, Anthony gave out the secret
Yes, we have statue of Mary because we venerate Blessed Virgin Mary and pray to Mary
There is nothing wrong with that
James a white said he has hours of video proving that people are venerating Mary as their god but did he interview even one of those people to ask them if they were doing that. Did he ask them is she your god. Every single one of them would have said NO. He uses examples and then expounds on Them with his own judgment.
I'm sorry, but it has to be said, and as a former Protestant who was deep in it: Protestantism makes you stupid... literally. Not only is everything framed fundamentally by pride, but literally every query is framed incorrectly and not just, but pancaked in layers of erroneous suppositions, false dichotomies, theological and historical ignorance, and insular, novel language. It would be like being absolutely determined in the face of reason to understand modern medicine only in the terms and framework of animal husbandry, alchemy and philosophy... and to utterly refuse to admit chemistry, anatomy and physiology, nuclear medicine, pharmacology, etc. We're talking about people who think Jesus is the Bible incarnate, who lived a perfect life and thus magically abolished the Law through that deed... and Who writes in those who believe in Him. Protestantism is sin. Period. It is schism, a sin against God. Sin makes you stupid. They're so busy worrying about how to use sophistry and semantics to linguistically prove their calumnies, that they don't even care if it's true, as long as they can say they win, because if so that makes it worthy of belief. They are so busy trying to prove Catholics worship Mary that they can't see they are idolators of scripture and their understanding of it. They are in the worst possible case... they are convinced that the darkening of their intellect is Enlightenment, and the means they would have to the truth they've turned into the source and enforcer of their own darkening, through pride. Protestantism is a most virulent heresy, bloated with errors.
Your comment shines the light of Truth so strongly, it blinds the heretics. May the scales fall from their eyes that they may finally see the truth.
@ReginaCæliLætare Pray for me, please.
@@Monaghan3000 I will, brother. May the Lord our God continue to guide you and bless you throughout your earthly exile.
Yes! Particularly the "Sin makes you stupid" part. It's not just Protestantism. Any time you believe something false or act according to something false, it will make you stupid. We were created in a particular way, to fit in with God's creation as it really is, and any attempts to shoehorn ourselves into something that is not real, will damage us and make it harder to think and act correctly in the future.
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
Christians fighting among themselves have caused so much weakness and division..we are on the same side...
This is incorrect, technically speaking. The unity exists in the Catholic Church. One sins against unity when one pretends that those who are outside the Church are also in some way members of the Church. They are not. So, if we are being precise, we are not on the same side. Protestants are folks who are baptized, yet clearly separated from the Church and in need of conversion just as much as those of pagan religions. Only difference is that baptism gives access to certain Graces they would have otherwise not have had access to as a pagan. The real against unity today is Catholics, including those in the hierarchy, pretending that all are just Christian’s for the sake of avoiding giving offence. Thus, one of the four marks of the Church that Christ founded is obscured from the vision of those who seek the truth earnestly.
@@eufrosniad994 The Catholic Church calls Protestants "our separated brothers and sisters". We need to be on the same side in matters like Right to Life. Also, there was a Serbian Orthodox judo winner, Nemanja Majdov, who was stripped of his medal in September for several reasons, including making the sign of the cross before a match. It was mentioned in the Catholic press. But, there was not the outcry that there was about the depiction of the Last Supper at the Opening Ceremonies. It is too bad that more Christians of every type did not denounce this loudly together.
@@RitaGattonThe word "separated" is as essential as the word "brethren"
@@RitaGatton The key word in the phrase you quoted is separated. It is possible to work with such people outside the church, or even with pagans or atheists for that matter when certain interests align. However, it is only a temporary alliance for the sake of that common interest and is not us being on the same side. The issue is that in modern times, we keep trying to create this impression of we are all on the same side, and the result of it has been apostasy by many Catholics. Look at Latin America where in countries like Brazil, the population has gone from 90%+ Catholic to around 60%. Most of those losses are not to atheism , but to Protestantism. What’s even worse is that this natural trajectory does ultimately lead to agnosticism, and eventually to atheism, Pope Pius XI pointed out. So sure, we can make a stance together on issues like the sign of the cross being banned. But, it should be made clear to Catholics that we are only doing so for furthering a common interest and not because we are on the same side in general. Ideally speaking, Catholics should desire a State where the Catholic religion is upheld as the true religion of the land, and others are only tolerated.
@@eufrosniad994I was going to say the same thing but for for deferent reasons we don’t consider catholics christians because they convert to false idolatrous doctrine religion and not to Jesus.
This was brilliant!
The sarcasm was top notch!
There are different apostolates. Peter was fiery & funny. There’s room for all kinds of evangelism. Let’s allow for those to do so with their particular charism & gifts of the Holy Spirit.
When evil cannot attack God Himself, it attacks His mother.
Matthew 12:25- 25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. “
So how do Christians attacking other Christians unify under God? How about we focus on fighting atheism or paganism or Godlessness instead?
Protestantism is intrinsically heretical, hence its attack on Catholicism!
I'm super confused... It is orthodox Catholicism to say Mary is our personal mother and intercessor...
That's not really "trolling too far"
It is a humorous parallel to evangelical statements.
But in no way "too far" or simply trolling??? 🤔
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
@barrycharlesbrebner Barry. You've done it. You've converted me from papism with you elegant argument.
(I'm being sarcastic)
Psalm 45, and Canticles 6 appear to disagree
Without Mary, we are doomed.
She is the only way the world will know Jesus in our modern times.
We need Her, our Lady, more than ever.
Mary is not the Saviour Jesus is. With out forgiveness by grace through faith in Christ, people will be punished! With out Jesus, people will be cast into the lake of fire. Stop your idolatry: worship of Mary!❤ Please, i hope you will realize what you are doing.
@barrycharlesbrebner Without Mary, you get protestantism, which ultimately devolves into either fundamentalism or Wokeism. Look at all the former protestant countries: they are the only ones being overwhelmed with woke. Mary is the only bulwark we have because if you can bow to Mary, you venerate motherhood in general which leads you to understand what a woman is.
@@barrycharlesbrebnerIt's only Protestants that think this way. And protestantism inevitably leads to Wokeism. Look at all the former protestant countries: they are the ones overwhelmed with woke. Mary is our only bulwark because if you can bow to her, you can also venerate motherhood, which leads you to understand what a woman is.
See, this type of comment right here is why people think Catholics worship Mary.
She is NOT the savior!
She did NOT die for you!
I don’t believe the Catholic Church teaches Marian worship but they do a terrible job of educating their flock. Far too many Catholic laypersons believe that Mary is their savior.
@@AELmom-fs4jq Not true! Mary guides us to her son!
James White is the epitome of Wisdom and Truth. It's a wonder he could stay so humble.
I have seen early footage of him where he was a lot, what is polite word, HEAVIER, and he has lost a lot of weight. Maybe thats why he floats.
He's not conceited, he's CONVINCED!
You must have a very low bar for wisdom and truth If you're sending this guy money you are getting what you deserve.
Hey, now. rEsPeCt ThE bEaRd.
@@edwardgilson9891 Did you not sense the sarcasm?
Brian, thank you for this lighthearted and charitable take on an issue that should not divide us. We are the Body of Christ! All of us, including the Saints, including our Blessed Mother! God be praised for this powerful truth. Redefining terms like Worship with a heart not seeking to love one another divides the Body. I pray that our brothers and sisters in Christ who see Catholics doing something they dont understand will ask "why?" with an open heart. May the Lord give us this grace and may we look upon one another with eyes of mercy. Let us love one another, for by this all men will know us.
How isn’t praying to st Joseph for deliverance from lust, or st Gemma to heal back pain, or st Anthony to help find things not “transactional self benefit?
Same was that praying to Jesus for the same is or is not "“transactional self benefit". It all relies on trust in God through the Body of Christ.
@ fair enough. Does praying to saints boost your chance of prayer answered?
@@AncientCornelius
James 5:16: The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful.
Any question? A saint in Heaven is already fully sanctified and I'm not.
@@bridgefin what makes a righteous man ?
@@AncientCornelius
I don't play games. If you have a comment to make then make it.
"Oh no! He caught us red-handed!" 😂
Little White('s) Lies
Some catholics exagerate the importance and position of the Holy Virgin. She is only a human being, not part of the Holy Trinity. Without Sainte Mary no birth of Jesus! We ask for her intercession only.
Like co redemptrix and mediatrix of all graces?
@@hopefull61256 This is indeed who she is, among many other things.
She is the Holy Mother of God,
Holy Virgin of virgins,
Mother of Christ,
Mother of the Church,
Mother of mercy,
Mother of divine grace,
Mother of hope,
Mother most pure,
Mother most chaste,
Mother inviolate,
Mother undefiled,
Mother most amiable,
Mother most admirable,
Mother of good counsel,
Mother of our Creator,
Mother of our Savior,
Virgin most prudent,
Virgin most venerable,
Virgin most renowned,
Virgin most powerful,
Virgin most merciful,
Virgin most faithful,
Mirror of justice,
Seat of wisdom,
Cause of our joy,
Spiritual vessel,
Vessel of honor,
Singular vessel of devotion,
Mystical rose,
Tower of David,
Tower of ivory,
House of gold,
Ark of the covenant,
Gate of heaven,
Morning star,
Health of the sick,
Refuge of sinners,
Comfort of Migrants,
Comforter of the afflicted,
Help of Christians,
Queen of Angels,
Queen of Patriarchs,
Queen of Prophets,
Queen of Apostles,
Queen of Martyrs,
Queen of Confessors,
Queen of Virgins,
Queen of all Saints,
Queen conceived without original sin,
Queen assumed into heaven,
Queen of the most holy Rosary,
Queen of Families,
Queen of Peace.
And that doesn't even begin to touch all her other titles (Mother of Divine Providence, Mother of Perpetual Help, Spouse of the Holy Spirit, Virgin of virgins, Advocate of the People of God, New Eve, Ark of the Covenant, Queen of Heaven, Gate of Heaven, etc). The Blessed Mother is indeed a creature, but she is so much more than "only a human being".
Humanity was passed down from Adam and Eve...through so and so, and so and so, including Mary and then Jesus crucified that dead in sin FLESH! Including the dead in sin flesh of Mary!❤ PRAISE GOD!!!
Protestants to Catholics:
You worship statues!
Catholics to Protestants:
You worship paper!
Sola Scriptura is a kind of bibliolatry
Worship of a " book"
Christ did Not leave a Book. He left a Church as His Body!
One Bread, One Body
So the bible is not the word of god?
If Marian worship is true, then James White should catch us say "In the Name of The Mother ...." 🙄
Wrong, there were as many early saints who opposed the heresy of iconography, which was a problematic debate for the church until the 7th council in 787 in which it was justified, though it was unbiblical. The problem with iconography is that it's more that just an honoring/respecting of saints but rather an extreme veneration (though not idolotry nears to such a problem). So than why does the church make icons of the saints, why does the church pray to the saints, & why does the church loosely rely on saints for specific issues if icons aren't a necessity & that saints just regular beings like us? That in & of itself is a contradiction & a problem that shows iconography loosely becomes idolatry. Why even pray to saints for not only is it made clear in the word that the dead can't hear nor be omnipresent, but also that prayer is only reserved to God alone for prayer isn't only a request but is also holy sacred spiritual form of praise & thanksgiving. Plus, no one can be a mediator in prayer of any sort but only Christ. Also, just because Christ is the incarnate God doesn't mean that creation became holy (not promoting gnosticism) nor does it make us subcreators of holy materials, for only in the 2nd coming shall all creation be renewed to sinless state & that only through Christ can we be holy. Christ isn't against the material but nowhere does the word teach the worship of God through iconography. Which comes into the understanding of the function of holy religious material. For example, though the ark of the covenant was a respected religious object & it was never venerated for it only symbolized the covenant & presence of God, so when Kings & priest prayed in the presence of the ark they prayed not to the ark but rather directly to God for the ark was His footstool. Another example of the problem of iconography is seen in 2nd Kings 18:4 where king Hezekia destroyed the bronze serpent due to its veneration either as an icon or an idol. Art indeed can be a form of worship but never can it be representative of nor become holy.
Which early saints apposed icons ?
@dherpin4874 Tertullian is one of many saints, but why rely on church fathers so heavily? For though church fathers clarify our understanding of Biblical teachings and make great arguments defending Biblical theology, they aren't always reliable for their actions and/or teaching sometimes contradic not only Biblical teachings but also of eachothers. They aren't in any way equal to Biblical authority and to believe the contrary is problematic.
@dherpin4874 Tertullian is one of many saints who opposed iconography. But why have such dependency of the saints for their teachings aren't of divine afflatus, proving them to be not as reliable as the word of God. For thought the Church fathers and Councils are of importance for clarifying Biblical teachings and being great defenders of the faith, they have contradicted eachother and the Bible in their beliefs of man made traditions, in which many such traditions have come forth centuries if not millennia after the New Testament. Even the saints relied upon the Bible through their apologetics and exegesis.
@@Hussites1430 In your initial comment you stated “there are many early saints who opposed iconography”. I asked which early saints in order to research what that specifically said. I know some condemned it as a practice in pagan religions, but do not know any who condemned it as a practice in the church. You only pointed to Tertullian who was not a saint, but did not offer any quotes. Additionally iconography was never condemned as a heresy. You also asked what need we have of the saints? Well every single thing we know to be true was taught to us by the saints, that includes every word written in the Bible. Without saints who the Bible writes about extensively we would not know how to conduct ourselves properly as The Body of Christ (the Church).
She was born without original sin... God has blessed her and allows her to use many graces for us to glory God. She is very important in the faith.
1 Kings 2: 19 said
Then Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, and the king stood up to meet her and paid her homage. Then he sat down upon his throne, and a throne was provided for the king’s mother, who sat at his right.
Even a Jewish king know how to respect HIS MOTHER, how much can a Protestant don't understand for JESUS CHIRST to honor HIS MOTHER MARY
Jos Heschmeyer just did a great video on this and mentioned that exact passage. Great stuff.
@@Loc1453 I can honor Mary without bowing down to images.
So in this passage Bathsheba is duped by Adonijah to request that Solomon give over David’s former wife as a way to consolidate political power against him. She makes a request of Solomon who says he will refuse her nothing, who once he realizes what’s happening promptly goes against her request and put Adonijah to death…
This represents Mary how again?
@@bardneur3768 So you ignore the whole statement i gave you just to double down Mary huh not very good my friend
@@mathewrculbertson you could but that doesn't mean i cannot, it common sense. You must be misunderstanding the word Veneration and Adoration !!! Did Solomon WORSHIP Bathsheba when he paid her homage and provided a sit next to the king
Nice touch of humor!
I am so glad that I dont live in the US so I dont have to take part of that ridiculous debate that often
As a protestant currently looking into Eastern Orthodoxy, I needed this video.
Pray the entire Rosary (all the mysteries) every day! Miracles await, and our Blessed Mother’s constant guidance to unity with her beloved Son, Jesus.
The Catholic desire to praise and pray to anything and anyone other than God is baffling. All praise is for God alone not Mary not the saints
You didn’t hear what Brian said. Catholics don’t pray to Saints and Angels directly for favor. They ask for their intercession. To favor the saints and angels for their sacrifice and works for the creator isn’t idolatry. It’s simply rooting for truth. Being on the right side of creation. All of Gods creation is to be celebrated. Look at society today. Architecture, art, and education look away from creation. That is by design.
Did you just say that ALL praise is for God ALONE?
In that case, what about Proverbs 31:30 that says that " a woman who fears the Lord deserves to be PRAISED" ?
Is a "woman who fears the Lord" the same as God ?
@@fivecrosses9040yes they do. You quite literally address your prayers to them it is not intercession because the SAINTS ARE NOT HERE ON EARTH THEY CANNOT HEAR YOU prayer is a gift from God alone meant for him the Lord’s Prayer that Jesus taught didn’t not tell you to pray to literally anyone or anything else other than God
@@jerome2642it’s amazing how obsessed Catholics are with their own glory and will go to no end to protect it. Really? It bothers you so much that all glory should be for God? Suppose that says all I should know about you. Further all praise is for God you can commend others but all glory is for God alone any good done is because of the Lord
@White-failure
Sorry, but Proverbs 31:30 didn't say that "a woman who fears the Lord deserves to be COMMENDED";
Rather, it clearly says that " a woman who fears the Lord deserves to be PRAISED". (I have never seen any English translation of the bible that used the word "commend" in Proverbs 31:30 instead of "praise").
This clearly shows that there are certain forms or kinds of PRAISE that can actually be given to HUMAN BEINGS. In other words, it is not forbidden to give ANY kind of praise to a human being.
Furthermore, it might surprise you to know that there are different forms or kinds of GLORY -- there is a kind of glory that belongs to God alone, and there is a kind of glory that CAN be given to HUMAN BEINGS.
A person becomes guilty of idolatry only when he takes the kind of glory that belongs to God ALONE and gives it to a human being. But if such a person takes the kind of glory that can be given to human beings and gives it to a human being, he isn't guilty of idolatry.
The Bible talks about the category of human beings who can be given glory. For instance
In John 17:22 Jesus said that He has given His disciples glory ("I have given them the GLORY that you have given me")
In Romans 2:9 - 10 , Paul said that all those who do good deserve "peace, honour and GLORY"
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I think I understand the Protestant instinct to interpret Catholic veneration of Mary as worship or idolatry. Of course, we Catholics are not confused, we believe that Christ is our Lord and God, one in being with God the Father and the Holy Spirit. One God, forever and ever.
But not to honor Mary’s uniquely holy place in the life of Jesus, her worthiness in the eyes of God, and her fullness of grace in the Holy Spirit is to hold her in less esteem than the apostles did.
From the cross, Christ declared Mary our mother. How can we deny Him?
I WILL never apologize for veneration of my blessed Mother. If you had a best friend wouldn't you want them to meet your mother. WE do venerate Mother Mary she is the co- redeemer. She's OUR Blessed mother and the mother of OUR savior. Yes I bow to her. Yep sure do.
I am Catholic and the church does not teach. Mary is a co-redeemer. There are some theologianswho use the language of co-redemptrix but it is not the official teaching of the Church. We need to be careful when we use this kind of language because it starts to push beyond veneration which is a slippery slope. Even if you mean co- as a subordinate like in the Latin, it can be a confusing term that would cause people to stumble which is why the church has not officially endorsed this term. It will also further confuse Protestants because it seems like we are putting Mary on the same level as Jesus which we are not.
12:02 pm Saturday. Started watching a few minutes ago and literally paused at noon for the Angelus♥A most beautiful devotion and prayer for Our Lady's intercession!
Mary is dead & in Heaven worshipping God. She cannot hear your prayers.
Sad , she is not an heavenly intercessor. You are praying to dead person.
It is truly meet to call you blessed, ever blessed and most pure, and the mother of our God. More honorable than the Cherubium and more glorious beyond compare than the seraphim, who without loss of virginity gave birth to God the Word, true Theotokos, we glorify you.
My Doctorate is in Apologetics, so I like hearing people out. Dr White is a great scholar, and debater. But he's a strong Calvinist, which comes across as harsh. But he is always worth listening to.
I find your arguments to be interesting. It calms me. But I have been around the world preaching the Gospel. I've seen people worshipping in Cathedrals . And it sure looks a lot like people worshipping Mary.. it's certainly most Protestants biggest problem with Catholicism. Your answer calms me. But I have a hard time not thinking that there may be a big gap between academics theology and that of common folk. It merely an observation. I like hearing you on these topics. So thank you for your videos.
so are you claiming that some Catholics worship Mary then? Because even with some Catholics actually were, that's not Church teaching.
I could see how it would look like worship to you if you have no idea what worship is...And perhaps you don't. Worship is sacrifice, more finely, the continuing sacrifice of the Cross made present on the altar under the form of bread and wine. For the protestant, continuing sacrifice plays no role. "Worship" in a protestant mindset is veneration in reality. That's why you get confused. We treat Mary and the saints the same way you treat God; you mistakenly believe yourself to be worshipping Him, but you are merely venerating Him instead.
@mattbernacki9282 I would agree with you, but my observations lead me to think more ordinary Catholics about the world do. If anyone cared to listen to my observations, I would suggest that more teaching should be done so that people, both Catholic and non Catholic could better understand you teaching on the subject. Don't get me wrong, IMO most believers need more teaching on what their denomination actually teaches. I know there are there are many denominational teachers who say my group of churches teach about baptism is wrong. But I know where they get the idea, because I've heard preachers and parishioners who do believe the error. When I was doing my Undergraduate studies, we had classes of comparative theology. Much of what I learned in those classes was broad strokes caricatures of other denominations. I have learned not to be so quick at accusing groups of false teaching. . We should all study scripture for ourselves, and ask one another honest questions about what they believe.
@@samburton2978 Yes, there are no doubt layman, priests, and even bishops who will distort, mischaracterize and even at times downright contradict the Church's teaching. The thing is though, we have a 2,000 year deposit of faith that speaks with one unified voice on any given doctrine, so it is never as though the heretics can't be found out. We are not at the whim of individual people (including the Pope, it must be noted!) who may say contradictory things to what the Church has always taught. Individual men can err. The Church cannot. Yes, Scriptural study is important, but should done with frequent reference to typology and the doctrines which particular passages support. You should NOT simply read the Bible front to back as though it is a novel for your book club and then share thoughts with inquiring friends. That is an improper, irreverent, and spiritually perilous way to approach reading Scripture. You are better off not reading it at all if that is your attitude. And by the way, one last thing: Catholicism is not just another "denomination." It is not just *an* option in a buffet of Christian "denominations." Such a preposterous idea only proliferated after the protestant revolution fabricated a worldview in which Christian truths were rendered subjective, and so opinions could proliferate. The Catholic Church is *the* Church founded by Christ, which one *must* be apart of if one is to attain eternal salvation. If salvation is to be found in the novel religion known as protestantism, it is in spite of protestantism, not because of it.
I can say some places, like Mexico it Looks like they are worshipping Mary; to someone that has that image/ teaching that Catholics worship her it would definitely appear like it.
I do see where you are coming from.
I grew up in a very poor home, with very little church doctrine, even with our extreme ignorance we didn’t worship Mary.
I came to America, just as ignorant, and I spoke to a Bible only Christian. He knew the word of God, then when he told me that I worshipped Mary ( I agreed with him) I thought we did based on what he told me. Now after reading scripture and learning my Faith, I know even with extreme ignorance, we didn’t worship Mary. The Catholic Church has never taught us to do so.
I have attended evangelical churches. After 20 minutes of singing and worship, before the sermon the preacher will ask everyone to bow their heads/ as he is on an empty stage Praying for the Holy Spirit to open our ears to the word of God- if someone was to come in from outside, that would look like they are worshipping the preacher.
Our mind makes us look for what we are trained to look for.
Thanks for your comment, and honest observation. I really enjoy interacting with people like you
God bless.
Why are Protestants so preoccupied with criticizing and condemning Catholicism?
Because they feel insecure & threatened.
It’s in their name. They are literally named after protesting Catholicism.
Boy you are so sharp. Your videos are so on point and very interesting. Very informative.
Is it possible to idolise Mary? Catholics say it is impossible to love her too much. So it never goes too far? As a protestant seeking for the truth, I understand you're reactionary and on your guard when accused of idolatry but you should admit that some people take it too far and idolatry IS possible. Otherwise God wouldn't warn against it in the Bible.
I understand your concern about the potential for idolatry. Catholics distinguish between veneration (deep respect) and worship. Worship is due to God alone, while veneration of Mary acknowledges her special role in salvation history. The Church teaches that any honor given to Mary should lead us closer to Jesus and not replace the worship due to God. However, it is possible for individuals to take veneration too far (treating her as equal to God), which is why the Church continually emphasizes the importance of keeping Christ at the center of our faith and Mary as the magnifying glass -Luke 1:46. God bless
@JohnLovesMary Thank you. I'd like to read more responses like that rather than the usual "we can never love Mary too much". I understand it as an expression and a way of conveying that she always brings people closer to Jesus but it is not literally true. We can love anyone too much if we love them more than God. As you said, let us keep Jesus at the center.
Idolatry is not the same as love.
Christ commands us to love each other *as He loves us*. That's literally infinite love right there, and it is commanded, not merely for Our Lady, but for every Christian brother or sister. So yes, it is impossible to love Mary too much.
It is possible to love her wrongly, as being something she is not. Interesting historical tidbit, the Koran was written partially from Muhammed's observations of Christian heretics. In a local diocese, there actually were people setting up Mary as part of the Trinity. It was never condemned by the Pope or an ecumenical council, because the local bishop put the kibosh on it and it didn't spread. That would certainly be an example of idolatry of Mary though.
There's an old Catholic saying: the law of worship is the law of belief is the law of living. If we worship wrongly, we will believe wrongly and vice versa. If we act/live wrongly, we will believe wrongly and vice versa. If Catholics start idolizing Mary, we will also start claiming false doctrine about her, and we will also start doing evil in related ways outside the Church (I believe the aforementioned heretics were also an ancient version of extremist feminists). There's really no modern Catholic group that I've ever heard of claiming Our Lady is God, or that she won our salvation by her own power.
You can't love the Blessed Virgin Mary more than Jesus does. So there is no risk.
@@duathellto1460
There are problems with saying you cannot love Mary, or anyone too much.
First, Jesus said this :
“If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even their own life-such a person cannot be my disciple."
So it does indicate God is to be the object of our highest love, even at the expense of legitimate loves.
The problem with the statement "you cannot love Mary too much" is that it is not an infallible statement. It is a sound bite said by a saint. But that person might have been wrong. Or their statement might be misunderstood or taken out of context. Taking a quote from a saint as gospel truth is not what is required of catholics if I understand well.
So let's take that quote and think about it for a moment.
First of all, as shown earlier you can love people too much, since Jesus says we must even hate the ones we most naturally love, in comparison to how much we must love him, and there are other passages conveying the same idea. So it might sound good to say "you cannot love your spouse too much" or "you cannot love your children too much", but it's not true, God is to be the One we love with all of our heart, mind, strength and soul.
Second of all, let's think of idolatry. Like I said before, I understand that catholics have a more narrow view of idolatry than protestants, you think idolatry is just believing and treating someone or something as literally a god. It was the context of the ten commandments. In that definition Catholics do not idolise Mary and actually nobody in the west idolises anyone. In our secular society we do not do that. It's in other parts of the world that people have idols. But is it all that idolatry means? According to the catechism it isn't. The Catechism recognised that idolatry is more than that. And that's because we can follow the logic of Jesus in the sermon of the mount and understand idolatry in a wider way than the ten commandments explains it. Just like adultery according to Jesus is not just sleeping with a person who is not your spouse and just like killing is not just taking the life of someone, Jesus takes these commandments and tells us we are guilty of these sins when we look at someone lustfully or when we insult someone. So following the same logic as Jesus, idolatry is not just treating someone as a literal god. But we can commit idolatry in our hearts when someone or something takes the place of God, when we love/admire/serve that person more than God Himself.
Like the catholic catechism puts it :
"2113 Idolatry not only refers to false pagan worship. It remains a constant temptation to faith. Idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example, satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money, etc. Jesus says, "You cannot serve God and mammon." 44 Many martyrs died for not adoring "the Beast" 45 refusing even to simulate such worship. Idolatry rejects the unique Lordship of God; it is therefore incompatible with communion with God."
In view of all of this therefore, while loving my spouse is a good thing, and it is not idolatry in the strictest sense of the word, it can become idolatry in the larger sense of the word if I revere and honour them in the place of God or at the detriment of my love for God.
In the same way, while venerating Mary is not idolatry in the strictest sense of the word, it could be idolatry in the wider sense of the word if we were to revere her in the place of God, at the detriment of our love for God. No infallible text says we cannot love Mary too much. Only a quote from a saint. Therefore, maybe the misunderstanding of that quote is leading catholics to sin in their hearts, and while they should always check their hearts, when it comes to Mary they don't because they accepted this sound bite as gospel truth.
Where in scripture is there “prayer to saints”?
Where in the Bible does it say that you have to live solo scriptura?
Where in scripture does it say to ask your mother to pray for you?
Why are each of you asking questions to answer questions?
Revelation mentions men in golden robes in heaven offering up incense before the throne of God symbolic of the prayers of the saints.
We believe that those who have gone before us aren't dead but alive in Christ. It's perfectly proper to ask their intercession just like I would ask you to pray for me.
@@oldwarrant4 I don’t agree with that interpretation, but I respect your answer. You took my question seriously and I and appreciate that.
To worship is to offer sacrifice. Catholics offer the sacrifice of the mass only to God. Protestants believe that talking to God or singing to Him is equivalent to worshiping. That is why when we talk to Mary or sing to her they see these acts as worshiping. Religion without sacrifice is not religion.
Kind of, the origin of the word worship simply is to give proper honor, but I understand your point.
Wrong. God does not demand sacrifice because Jesus was THE perfect sacrifice. Everything we have is from God, even our life. Anything we sacrifice is just giving to God what is already His.
Genuine questions:
1. Is prayer a form of worship?
2. Are there instances anywhere in the bible where someone on earth is praying to someone in heaven (other than to God)?
If someone could answer those biblically, I appreciate it. Thanks
The problem is Mary has been given the attributes of God when you pray to her. She is either a sinner born of a sinner who shares all of humanity's fallen nature or a goddess who is able to know all things, be in all places, and born without sin, therefore having no need for a savior. If this were not true then how is she even able to hear your prayers? I remind you God forbids praying to the dead. No one approaches God on his or her own merits but on the merits of Christ. Remember "1 Timothy 2:5 NLT
[5] For, There is one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity-the man Christ Jesus. " God has provided His Son, Jesus Christ, to be the mediator between man and God. There is therefore no provision to pray to any Saint who has passed from this world.
Was Eve a goddess before the fall? Being sinless doesn't make a person a deity. Existing by one's own power, uncreated by anyone else is perfectly correlated to being a deity, but no one claims that for Mary. We don't even claim she had no need for a savior - quite the opposite. She absolutely needed a savior. She was saved at the moment of her conception - which shouldn't be so astounding, given that Adam and Eve were created sinless by God. He can do these things.
If praying to someone gives them the attributes of God, we worship our friends every time we ask them to pray for us.
Mary is dead. Believing she can hear your prayers or the thousands of prayers sent to her each day is the problem here. Also believing it is even necessary to pray to her or any dead Saint is a problem. They are dead. If you believe this then yes you have made her an idol. An idol as dead as the idols worshipped by Israel, before God chastised Israel and exiled them to Babylon. Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and man.
You should go get a copy of the Catholic catechism and read it. Then you will know what the church officially teaches and what is e taught in the parishes. Protestants have an idea that Catholics don't understand their faith, but they don't realize that Catholics spent a few years as youths or adults taking classes on their faith. And we do read our Bible just as much as Protestants. We just don't worship it
Heres the part that catholics dont understand about the protestant polistion on this:
We have no reason to believe that any non-God can hear prayers at all. Supposing that the dead can, saintly or otherwise, strikes one of necromancy, which is forbidden.
I am agnostic on this point and chose to air on the side of caution, exclusively praying to God alone.
Necromancy is when a person employs demons to get a person who has died to talk to them. More typically, the medium is pretending, or there is a demon who pretends to be the person who has died. (This is why Saul's medium was so surprised to actually see Samuel) There are some obvious problems with that, starting with the word "demon".
When we pray to Saints, we aren't trying to get them to talk back, and we're definitely not invoking demons. The Saints hear us because God enables it. In the rare event that Saints appear to us, that is also because God enables it, similarly to how, in Revelation, the Apostle John saw and/or spoke to angels and Saints, without any demons being involved.
It seems weird to me that Protestants think the problem is that Saints can't hear us. We have an omnipotent God. It makes about as much sense as liberal Christians trying to ascribe the parting of the Red Sea or the Feeding of the 5000 to natural causes, because miracles are just too weird for them or something. The reason we believe this actually happens is because we believe in the Communion of Saints. We believe that those who die go either to hell, purgatory and then heaven, or heaven. Those who are not damned, are part of God's family with us, all united in the same covenant family. There is no spiritual barrier. We are united with Christ, they are united with Christ. There is only the physical barrier of death, and Christ has conquered death. The Saints in the first few centuries after Christ wrote about this: St. Ignatius of Antioch, St. Polycarp, St. Cyprian, St. Ambrose. That is why the Communion of Saints is in the Apostles Creed, ostensibly accepted by all Christians.
"We have no reason to believe that any non-God can hear prayers at al" So what evidence do you have that your god does hear prayers? Thanks and good luck.
Mary & the saints are alive in heaven, can hear our prayers & intercede for us.
@@geoffjs "can hear our prayers & intercede for us." LOL. Of course they can't. None of what you just said is real. You certainly don't have the evidence to support your claim. Good luck my friend.
@@TboneWTF Prayers of intercession are biblical, so prayer to Mary & the saints is rational
1 Tim 2 1-5 I urge you, first of all, to pray for all people.
Rom 8 35-39 Death cannot separate
Mk 12 26-27 God of the living
Jas 5 16-18 Prayer of a good man
Rom 12:5 Communion of saints
Rev 5:8 6,8 saints offering prayer to God
Heb 12 we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses
Mt Tabor Jesus speaking with Moses & Elijah
Go easy on poor Jimmy, he hasn't been relevant in... oh, about 20 years 😂😂
that's why he keeps bringing up the 90s in his debates. Take a shot every time he mentions his debate with Gerry Matatics, you'll be drunk before cross-examination
@@mattbernacki9282 That's how you know the loser knows he is irrelevant. He wouldn't be re-living the glory days if he had anything new to say.
Interesting
I'd rather be an idolater than worship of the god of Dr. White who predestines pdfile grapes.
I'm a Protestant Christian here and seeking truth. I was curious: Is there anywhere a collection of what Mary has said in her apparitions?
I feel a pull to the Catholic Church, so I am seeking out information and prayer. Thank you.
Read 2 Peter 3: 16......His( referring to Paul) letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort , as they do the other Scriptures to their own destruction. Jesus clearly put up a church to interpret the Bible.
Imagine missing out on true worship of God through partaking in the Eucharist because you perceive something to be something it’s not. Must be a miserable way to love the Lord.
Venerating Our Lady and the Saints is worship/adoration but Adoring Christ in the Eucharist is not, Lol!
they make it complicated with their dirty heart.
@@agatatres9076 those dirty-hearted Catholics, simply believing what Christ said about eating His Flesh and drinking His Blood!