Saving Private Ryan vs Lakshya | Portraying the Chaos of War

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @CinemaBeyondEntertainment
    @CinemaBeyondEntertainment  8 лет назад +280

    A place for constructive discussion/criticism!

    • @Geebus77
      @Geebus77 8 лет назад +7

      Why do you correlate the new speed and ease of medium and increase in content to our inability to consume visual information meaningfully? I agree that the increase in content and easy access to it can make it difficult to spend the time to analyze everything we see. But I think our increased exposure to it naturally informs our intuition and makes us more selective of what we pay special attention to. When we see something that invokes an emotional and intellectual response in us, it truly stands out. Doesn't that raise the bar?
      Love your videos. Hope to see more from you soon.

    • @manoharm9716
      @manoharm9716 7 лет назад +2

      Geebus77 i mostly choose to watch movies alone, but when i do watch movies with others, i make it a point to notice their reaction and views at the same time. when a well structured and thought through moment appears they do register it although subconsciously and only realise when someone brings attention back to the moment and make them think it through. compared to this the stereotypical bullshit that the 'usual' movies provide is more easily digested and retained... the message which is beautifully and intellectually shown is often forgotten even though it has been experienced
      ( of course this is not everyone just the majority of people who have been filled with mediocre shit and nothing else).

    • @MrMadhusudhan45
      @MrMadhusudhan45 6 лет назад

      So what's your take on Dunkirk?

    • @Rah11Sin
      @Rah11Sin 6 лет назад +4

      Great review...For me, it was the greatest war movie ever made until Apocalypse Now......interestingly, I watched Apocalypse Now before SPR, but over the years as I grew older...I found out so many things about Apocalypse which I couldnt understand earlier in my teens! Has something like this ever happened to you?

    • @rahulsar2030
      @rahulsar2030 6 лет назад +1

      So the question is how URI will hold up?

  • @shreyashpandya
    @shreyashpandya 8 лет назад +289

    Love to witness how Indian entertainment is becoming more creative on RUclips and conventional media can only dream about catching up with this

    • @SR-zn4ei
      @SR-zn4ei 7 лет назад +4

      Shreyas Pandya one of the reasons being nepotism

  • @achillesdumbeldore
    @achillesdumbeldore 5 лет назад +394

    People here are missing the point. He's just comparing two scenes from two movies. He clearly said that it's about visual literacy. The stories probably are different but they both have war as background. The protagonists are soldiers, fighting in the battlefield, killing people, and in the process putting their own lives in danger. Killing people should not be portrayed as noble, heroic or romantic, even if the people being killed are bad or are enemies.
    Killing is a horrific act, regardless of how justified it is. It scars people. The prospect of dying scares people. And soldiers are also ordinary people. Even after all the training.
    You can see that Spielberg's protagonists appear ordinary. They get scared and confused. This is not really apparent in Akhtar's protagonist.
    Spielberg uses camera movement and (in this particular case, does not use) music to make the audience feel the suddenness of enemy appearing beside you and the chaos that follows. The audience are in as much shock as the characters. Whereas in Akhtar's rendition, while the enemy doesn't surprise you as much, the music suggests that the act of the protagonist killing them is somehow glorified and badass, as opposed to necessary evil.
    Its just the two scenes and their technical aspects. Not the entire movies. They're obviously different in so many ways.
    I think we should appreciate the fact that these technical aspects of movies are finally being dissected and analysed. It makes movie experience much more interesting.

    • @SCGRAPHY
      @SCGRAPHY 5 лет назад +8

      and you also missed a huge point , Akhtar wasn't showing just any war but a war against terrorism and am sorry but yeah it will and should be glorified.

    • @MT-qt9mw
      @MT-qt9mw 5 лет назад +3

      Triumph of righteousness over degeneracy or evil is always healthy. There is no honour in tolerance towards ideologues of peace and harmony. Remember, the blood of heroes is much closer to god than the ink of scholars or the prayers of the pious. The world is not right but it is certainly fair. Animals kill other animals to survive. Humans die to redeem their ideology of eternal truthfulness. To kill, or to die, is to triumph or sacrifice yourself for your principles. To cower behind shadows of peace is to render yourself impotent and portraying as a submissive ungodly traitor to your species.

    • @achillesdumbeldore
      @achillesdumbeldore 5 лет назад +40

      Okay, people are getting ticked all over the place. I am in no mood to pick up an ideological battle in the comment section. If you do not agree with my position on glorification of war, fell free to go back to your flint stones. Please don’t rub your archaic mentality in my face. Thank you! 😊

    • @MT-qt9mw
      @MT-qt9mw 5 лет назад +11

      @Phanish Babu Here you are soy boy, no one is rubbing anything on your face. People like you set an example of how things are subjective. Unaware of what flint stones did, sitting in your room and typing this comment on your phone, the world of today, the modern world, is currently fighting wars against communism, leftist fascism and terrorism while your ignorant ass in la la land wants to preach principles of peace. Go rub your bullshit on unicorns.

    • @achillesdumbeldore
      @achillesdumbeldore 5 лет назад +10

      @@MT-qt9mw If you say so.

  • @maheshwaranrao8884
    @maheshwaranrao8884 3 года назад +74

    Indian war films shows over patriotism. Filled with dialogues glorifying country in a single aspect, the rage after the soldier is killed and remembering the loved ones. There is no chaos, tension and reality what a soldier faces. There is not a single movie showing the aftermath of war and its effects over the soldier and their persisting efforts to adapt.

    • @justasciencelover8175
      @justasciencelover8175 3 года назад +6

      There are no realistic things. They won't even focus on it. They just do some plot. Some shit. Just to sell it in the name of some shit. Whereas Saving Private Ryan focused on all things from chaos of a war to Soldier's mentality

    • @iam7389
      @iam7389 2 года назад

      shershah

    • @Deepak__Mehta
      @Deepak__Mehta 2 года назад +1

      you r talking about ptsd. and for sure there are a bunch of movies which exactly portrays that. like apocalypse now , , american sniper , we were soldiers and many more.

    • @nisargjani355
      @nisargjani355 2 года назад +1

      the reason is that the State uses war as a binding force to reinforce nationalism and what binds two people together other than threat of life before the hero who saves the day! In a way its a necessity and in a way its just weird and debatable.

  • @NarinderSinghHere
    @NarinderSinghHere 8 лет назад +330

    Fantastic stuff, man! Your channel deserves more views for sure.
    Is that one dislike by Michael Bay?

    • @naziakhan5238
      @naziakhan5238 6 лет назад +9

      Michael Bay made 8 accounts to dislike this 😛

  • @cezane
    @cezane 8 лет назад +177

    "And then there is this asshole" this had me on floor lol

  • @dorothysaikia4022
    @dorothysaikia4022 6 лет назад +72

    I am binge watching your videos.

  • @slickbaiter2010
    @slickbaiter2010 3 года назад +23

    The scene where the soldier holds his intestine and shouts "mama" is heartbreaking.

  • @ronakgupta3471
    @ronakgupta3471 8 лет назад +198

    While I largely agree with your analysis, I think the criticism of Akhtar filming Lakshya by focusing on the Hero is unwarranted. The movie was about that one man and the mini war is just a part of the story. By giving Roshan the 'moment' the director was simply adhering to the larger theme of the movie. Saving Private Ryan on the other hand was 'about' war with the 'saving Ryan' part used just as a pivot.

    • @sadanandwarty
      @sadanandwarty 5 лет назад +17

      I’d slightly go a bit further and say that Lakshya is about the war HRX’s character fights with himself in which he gets a Lakshya (for his life).

    • @ashishbisht2459
      @ashishbisht2459 5 лет назад +6

      Very well said...,both movies can't be compared as both have very diffrent theam line .Each n every movie which has uniform & gun ... doesn't mean should follow 'saving the private Riyan' path.

    • @vedxgaming8216
      @vedxgaming8216 5 лет назад

      Yup that's the valid point but that background Score in Lakshay Scene really made us disconnected. The shock scene tho I think is an experiment by Fahran which may shock some and some not.

    • @god1770
      @god1770 4 года назад +1

      Then where's the reality in it...
      There are probably plenty of ways to portray a person's achievement in cinema, and paint his psychology on reels instead of just making an exaggerated sketch of his or hers throughout the film...
      I'd say this, Spielberg and Akhtar are way apart, and this might sound triggering but Akhtar applies too much drama in his films, as said before he exaggerates his characters and scenes through dialogues or music, hoping it will make a powerful statement..but honestly in my opinion, it's just a forced spoon feeding!
      If the maker of laksya was a more sophisticated one, or if Akhtar was any better..he would make a loud expression even out of the most subtle scene!

  • @nimmishh
    @nimmishh 8 лет назад +142

    To be fair to Farhan Akhtar, the movie was about Hrithik's journey from an aimless brat to a war hero. There was a battle scene in particular where I thought Farhan got it spot on. The scene where Ranvir Shorey just froze and got shot in the chest.

    • @GauravSingh-jh4gp
      @GauravSingh-jh4gp 6 лет назад +9

      I thought the same. It was a (somewhat fictional) story with backdrop of a real war, from perspective of 1 fictional character. Director had taken enough assumptions to be able to show the heroism of Hrithik's character.
      But I guess it is being said in this video that a real war, almost surely, wouldn't look like this. It is creating a unreal picture of a real war.

    • @rishi6764
      @rishi6764 5 лет назад +1

      Agree.

    • @astrosherlock374
      @astrosherlock374 4 года назад +3

      The pacific could be a pretty fair comparison to Lakshya, its a lot more character driven and shows it from the eyes of 3 different people, most interestingly Eugene Sledge.

  • @dsb8307
    @dsb8307 7 лет назад +5

    I am from a defence background and the line said by the narrator at 4:31 is damm true even in real life.
    They all are ordinary human being and As vulnerable to damage as any being is. Only difference is they make a choice and stick to it and keep pushing through it without even considering any other option of leaving back or giving up. That really need courage and determination for making such choices.

  • @Aryan-pj3iw
    @Aryan-pj3iw 5 лет назад +23

    1st time I watched Apocalypse Now I was like, 'Tf is that. where is the action?' Watched it again after like 2 years, at that time I realized what a masterpiece it is(after some movie understanding). No wonder people in India like masala shit. I recommended my friend to watch Casablanca. This is what I got, "Tu chutiya hai jab color movie aagayi toh mein yeh chutiyap kyon dekhun."

    • @prabhakar379
      @prabhakar379 5 лет назад +6

      Sorry to say but tumhara dost hi chutiya h... Inke liye hi to Karan Johar SOTY 2 jaisi films bnata h...

    • @dragonbane44
      @dragonbane44 5 лет назад +1

      From time to time I like to go back and watch Buster Keaton's movies after I see movies whose action scenes fail to convince me.

    • @rjun152
      @rjun152 5 лет назад

      Every typical Indians reaction

    • @Hritik9000
      @Hritik9000 3 года назад

      Bhai atleast tumhare dost ne Casablanca dekh li, mere dost toh mujhe direct mana kardenge bas yeh bool kar ki film 1942 ki hai.

    • @palkeshr
      @palkeshr 3 года назад

      Casablanca is one of the greatest films ever made your friend is missing a gem his loss

  • @RajveerDhanak
    @RajveerDhanak 5 лет назад +10

    I agree with your point about certain movies glamorising/glorifying war scenes. Wars are actually such tragic events, where even when soldiers succeed in killing the enemies, they feel guilty about having killed another human being. I'm reminded of a scene in URI (advertised and claimed to be "grounded in realism), in the final act, the flight lieutenant comes to the team's rescue in an attack chopper, with a rock music playing in the background as the chopper kills several enemies. It's shallow cinematic moments like these that give a wrong impression about what the reality really is.

    • @HAL--gb6uf
      @HAL--gb6uf 4 года назад

      That was funny af.That movie was to help MODI I think😂

    • @gajendermalhotra9635
      @gajendermalhotra9635 Год назад

      Bro you missed the point completely in uri they were not killing army soldiers unecesseraily it was more like a revenge movie and you have to understand it i am saying as a person who has studied lot of movies myself so first think then speak

  • @edwardgordon6334
    @edwardgordon6334 8 лет назад +20

    Your insight and analysis is incredibly illuminating THANK YOU!!!! You rock :)

    • @CinemaBeyondEntertainment
      @CinemaBeyondEntertainment  8 лет назад +3

      Thank you, Edward :)

    • @mohitrawat5225
      @mohitrawat5225 Год назад +1

      ​@@CinemaBeyondEntertainmentI got your point but you simply can't compare scenes from these two films because both the movies are set up on different wars. SPR is set up in WW2 where they were greedy people from both sides and the soldiers from both sides had these thoughts in mind why are we even fighting this war. There were some grey areas and both the sides were guilty but in Lakshya only the enemy side Pakistan was clearly guilty because they illegally captured our land. They broke peace treaty signed between the two countries in 1971. In WW2 soldiers had the feeling that there should be no war but Pakistan has clearly backstabbed and Indian soldiers wanted to fight. They had patriotism. They simply weren't working on non violence. They knew Pakistan didn't understand the language of non violence. But anyway always a great fan of your channel especially your video about great acting.

  • @shounak81
    @shounak81 6 лет назад +143

    Sure, agree with your analysis of the differences in the way conflict situations are shown in SPR and Lakshya. However, considering that Lakshya is actually the story about Hrithik Roshan's character and not about the war, don't you think it's only fitting that it's shown in that way?

    • @prathamkumar2755
      @prathamkumar2755 6 лет назад +4

      SDK Your comment deserves more like...!!

    • @Ranjankumar-ey1zb
      @Ranjankumar-ey1zb 5 лет назад +8

      Bro but u don't need a heroics scene from main leader like this . He was given enough screen time to do that .

    • @Hellman2746
      @Hellman2746 5 лет назад +37

      Nope. Saving Private Ryan was also about a particular fictional account of fictional characters. But Spielberg used the opportunity to portray the brutality of war.
      He did the same with Schindler's List which was about this morally ambiguous Person who saved hundreds of Jews. But he also dedicated a considerable portion of the movie showing the oppression the Jewish people had to endure.
      The truth is Indians like to lionize people we admire and individual Hero worship is deeply rooted in our culture than in any other. That's why Hrithik's point of view dominates the movie. The director forgot his responsibility that comes by being a member of powerful medium and failed to use the movie to showcase anything other than Hrithik.

    • @bharatpenumutchu6487
      @bharatpenumutchu6487 5 лет назад +3

      Also the background score. After all these years i expect Indian Cinema to evolve, we should not expect the film to suggest that things are in danger, it has to be implicit. And in any case even if you think the premise of the stories are different the fact remains that SPR the scene felt more claustrophobic and i am sure it is not always dull and raining in France in June July in 1945 :) , but that the weight age to the scene, but even if were to shot in brighter light the scene would have still had a great impact. The same scene from Lakshya was not impactful enough, they could had a better impact if there was sound effects of footsteps or panting of the soldiers which would have put the audience at the site (even though it was for that one moment) however whatever little shot Lakhsya had at the audience undivided attention it squanders with uninspiring back ground scores....Of course an argument can be made about Interstellar having too much background score when they were trying to salvage their ship after depressurizing or Copper finally realizing the purpose of the tesseract.. that setting was complete fantasy. I am neither saying Kip Thorne was right or wrong , but unless we have complete understanding of the universe the film remains a very clever fantasy and Hans Zimmer , Nolan are geniuses....

    • @rohitdas8827
      @rohitdas8827 5 лет назад +5

      Watch American sniper and learn how it is Done... that's also a story about a man but is way better in showing the true emotions

  • @thendralthennarasu2604
    @thendralthennarasu2604 5 лет назад +108

    its like comparing 20$ drone vs NASA space station bro .....no comparison

    • @birajsingha9879
      @birajsingha9879 5 лет назад +9

      Apart from the tension of war created in Lakshya, the movie is really great, it's inspirational as per say.

    • @sankethgopichintapalli4758
      @sankethgopichintapalli4758 5 лет назад +3

      Athiyan you are absolutely true 😎

    • @shogunrua1040
      @shogunrua1040 3 года назад +3

      If you are talking the budget for explaining the low quality of indian movies vs American movies, it's not enough. South Korea makes world class movies with similar budget to some of bollywood movies. Same thing in Canada. The make ridiculousy good movies for such low budget movies. You have to watch their French movies. Bollywood is just focused on apparences and not the content

    • @himanshubiswas4491
      @himanshubiswas4491 9 месяцев назад

      ​@@shogunrua1040you should first watch movies as an neutral audience and you should not comment in the heat of moment first of all the narrator just showed one scene from Lakshya and there were numerous war scene where war and the conflict of common people's daily life were shown. If people of india just want to watch shit of piece like gadar 2 and likes what should they do? You are just here commenting about what they do and really works, but welcome to the world of film.

    • @shogunrua1040
      @shogunrua1040 9 месяцев назад

      ​ @himanshubiswas4491 what are you talking about it and how is it related to my comment? Maybe you replied to the wrong person?

  • @insanitypersonified1
    @insanitypersonified1 8 лет назад +50

    Dude u would give the current critics a good run for their money... It's such a shame when people settle for quantity over quality... Love your work and looking forward to more.

  • @papastalin1543
    @papastalin1543 5 лет назад +11

    I don't know how I ended up here , but I m glad

  • @osamashaikhshaikh7865
    @osamashaikhshaikh7865 5 лет назад +2

    There should be an option for super like. You’re actually changing the way we ordinary audiences watch the films.
    Way to go. Keep up the good work.

  • @aaryanbhardwaj40
    @aaryanbhardwaj40 3 года назад +8

    It always annoys me that even now, Indian war films are almost exclusively focused on portraying Indian soldiers as some sort of righteous saviours. It's less art and more propaganda.

    • @priyanshumishra8336
      @priyanshumishra8336 3 года назад +5

      If they don't do that... They'll be labelled as Pakistani or librandus by the people... Not to target anyone but thats what happens here... No true cinema... Sheer heroism is sold...

    • @prashantparekh3581
      @prashantparekh3581 3 года назад

      Uri brought a great revolution

  • @mohammedquadir1102
    @mohammedquadir1102 3 года назад +2

    4:33 Mr. Vinit you highly misunderstood that scene you didn't look properly, hrithik roshan told dhaba which his means he has the confidence and aggression which he felt dreadful about when he was in training. Remember the head military officer said dhaba then hrithik genuinely replies in a kidding manner, then the officer says "kya baat hai bachpan mei dhood nahi piya tha kya " it genuinely reflects the emotional condolence of the scene. Where as hrithik tries to bring the audacity back . This scene deliberately shows the greatness of the director farhan akhtar.
    And you said about delivering hero moment right he didn't deliver any hero moment karan shergill always had his life going on with parties clubs and youthful moments but when he realises what his life means to his character then he surely realises his mistakes he has done.
    And vinit lives of people depends on the condition and the character.

  • @AnjanaBSubba
    @AnjanaBSubba 6 лет назад +12

    As a huge film lover and with zero technical knowledge of it, I always feel that most of the time action scenes are more effective when shown with little to no background music. Just a personal preference.
    Also, 'Saving Private Ryan' got it right but some directors misuse the hell out of shaky cam nowadays, idk why. Like I want to feel the tension of the situation, yes. But I don't want to throw up because of it.
    Don't even get me talking about the jarring cuts during a fight scene! Resident Evil the final chapter is the best example of it. The worst fight scenes ever, I didn't even know who was hitting who. It was like: bam bam bam and then someone is on the floor. But how did that happen?!! Lol
    Great video btw.
    Edit: what are your thoughts URI? I haven't watched it.

  • @kumaravnish24
    @kumaravnish24 5 лет назад +2

    Lakshya is not exactly a war movie. Its more on a personal level wherein the person questions his purpose, morality, and ethics. Saving Private Ryan is kind of takes you on a journey to a destination which ends up with saving Ryan. That has to portray the reality of war in order to show how war is unjust and how many souls are lost in order to even achieve a mission of just saving one soul. It had to be shown as brutal. Saving Private Ryan is surely an epic movie, but i liked the movie Lakshya as well. You are right that war movie in India depicts heroism and national pride, but if our Indian audience can't feel that, it is likely to fail at box office.

  • @pratikagrawal8742
    @pratikagrawal8742 8 лет назад +19

    yes, we do lack visual literacy!

  • @gost4812
    @gost4812 3 года назад +4

    Saving private ryan storyline is so good even in the midst of horrfying war.

  • @abhaymishra30
    @abhaymishra30 7 лет назад +1

    I would pay to see this quality. Consitent gold. Hats off to you!

  • @chinmayadave8185
    @chinmayadave8185 7 лет назад +43

    "And then... there is this asshole." Rofl :D

  • @sridacool
    @sridacool 5 лет назад +30

    Really.. who are you man?
    The understanding, articulation, precision of your work is amazing. Looking at movies through your lenses is mesmerising to say the least. I find multiple layers of messages hidden in your works and each revelation is more connecting to the roots as the former one. Keep it up.
    I appreciate the industry and perseverance you bring on the table.
    One more step towards visual literacy through your eyes.
    P.S. I confess that I disagree with some of your convictions, but hey criticism of criticism distills ideas I guess

  • @SaurabhYadav-ui2ol
    @SaurabhYadav-ui2ol 2 года назад +1

    Man called Michael Bay an asshole😂😂
    Anyway great analysis!

  • @sharik6862
    @sharik6862 5 лет назад +1

    At 2:20 did anyone else think about NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN which also has no music?

  • @harendrasinghbisht8117
    @harendrasinghbisht8117 3 года назад +1

    I give you my Personal Nobel Prize for perfect analysis of Cinema and this enriching human life!!!

  • @muditagarwal331
    @muditagarwal331 4 года назад +2

    I am sorry but i disagree with u, in this film the priority of farhan akhtar was to show the audience about how a person transforms from a lazy and aimless guy to a responsible person finding his place in the world. this film was never about war, it was about karan Shergill realising that he is a grown up. although i do agree that Hrithik is a little too heroic in this movie, farhan cud have shown some realistic emotions in the middle of war. Although i do like his character development from the point when is ashamed of himself to the point where he plants the flag at the peak of point 5179

  • @zankrutantani4479
    @zankrutantani4479 8 лет назад +1

    Amazing Vinit! This really explains the depth of movies. One more scene of emotions in Saving Private Ryan catches my eyes where the soldier is trying to play/consolidate a girlchild in war zone and is killed then. Brutal and Real.

  • @mudassaradenwala6039
    @mudassaradenwala6039 8 лет назад +30

    vinit i have a question for you.why do you think Farhan akhtar should have given the combat scenes in lakshya a multi character perspective like saving private ryan and not through the view of the hero . because the movie is about rohit essentially.please explain.Thank you.

    • @CinemaBeyondEntertainment
      @CinemaBeyondEntertainment  8 лет назад +53

      +mudassar adenwala It's not about giving a multi-character perspective. It's about depicting mortal danger of battle. It's about the lazy style where no effort is taken to make audience experience what the lead character is experiencing. Battle situations doesn't change for either a team or an individual. Hurt Locker is about an individual, and they managed to create something similar to what Saving Private Ryan did. And if, as you said, the film IS about Rohit, then putting audience in the lead's point of view is the most necessary thing to do. But more than anything, my complain/dissatisfaction is more towards the lazy film-making style.

    • @mudassaradenwala6039
      @mudassaradenwala6039 8 лет назад +2

      Thanks

    • @SCGRAPHY
      @SCGRAPHY 5 лет назад

      @@CinemaBeyondEntertainment you are earning on it simple , today's world criticism pays off well and that's what you are doing asshole

    • @astrosherlock374
      @astrosherlock374 4 года назад

      @@CinemaBeyondEntertainment I know I am three years late, but I desperately recommend you to watch Generation Kill. It's a brilliant mini series about one platoon's journey in the 1st marine division during the Iraq war in 2003 from the perspective of a rolling stones reporter. Most realistic portrayal of modern deployments and combat zones ever and clearly presents the incompetency in command.

    • @mohitrawat5225
      @mohitrawat5225 Год назад +1

      ​@@CinemaBeyondEntertainmentI got your point but you simply can't compare scenes from these two films because both the movies are set up on different wars. SPR is set up in WW2 where they were greedy people from both sides and the soldiers from both sides had these thoughts in mind why are we even fighting this war. There were some grey areas and both the sides were guilty but in Lakshya only the enemy side Pakistan was clearly guilty because they illegally captured our land. They broke peace treaty signed between the two countries in 1971. In WW2 soldiers had the feeling that there should be no war but Pakistan has clearly backstabbed and Indian soldiers wanted to fight. They had patriotism. They simply weren't working on non violence. They knew Pakistan didn't understand the language of non violence. But anyway always a great fan of your channel especially your video about great acting.

  • @A_free_n1
    @A_free_n1 5 лет назад +1

    I loveee this analysis...
    Keep at it bro

  • @VivekSambangi1328
    @VivekSambangi1328 8 лет назад +1

    Great work man..!! Keep making more of these videos.. :D

  • @TheSafwanexcel
    @TheSafwanexcel 8 лет назад +43

    you got some amazing work on man....Spielberg can't be compared to anyone..and yes farhan is talented but to compare an epic movie like saving private Ryan with Lakhsya( it's a Bollywood movie and central character was hritik and his redemption so he had to keep a hero movement for him) is a little to far...with movies like Lakhsya and farhan directing we are evolving slowly and very far far in future we might be able to achieve what Steven work has achieved...but I like the study and effort you are putting in this..yes...indeed our visual literacy is less and we keep watching anything which comes to us these days..waiting for your more videos

    • @NoOne-ky1er
      @NoOne-ky1er 7 лет назад +3

      safwan ahmed
      If farhan is refreshing, then explain Don and Don 2.

    • @DebjyotisGaming
      @DebjyotisGaming 6 лет назад

      I guess Uri is now a step up in the right direction

    • @justasciencelover8175
      @justasciencelover8175 3 года назад

      Steven is a man brother. It's not possible in India to achieve his skills and moviemaking.

  • @indersinghchauhan1116
    @indersinghchauhan1116 3 года назад +5

    That scene from lakshya was pretty long, you just showed where hiritik killed the guy and the camera moves towards him for just a sec .

  • @ankurkapoor649
    @ankurkapoor649 8 лет назад +6

    Once again a superb video! I love how you are comparing technique and craft of International filmmakers to Indian filmmakers.
    Please do something about your voice over audio recording quality though...probably the only thing holding you back from getting close to Every Frame a Painting. If not anything pro, just get a Rode SmartLav+ and record to your phone. It'll sound much much better.
    Cheers and keep making more videos :)

  • @kumar1400
    @kumar1400 7 лет назад +16

    First 20 min of saving Private Ryan is the mind bending. Coz that's how I really understand what's war are on ground zero. Same thing u can see in American Sniper, when he shoot the kid. U can understand how much struggle he going through after coming from War.
    Great video and kudos to call asshole Michael Bay.😂

  • @Tera_1008th_baap
    @Tera_1008th_baap 5 лет назад +1

    Now i realise why the movies which win Oscars are given so much respect because behind every scene there's a genius thinking and actors faith and talent which shoots up the intricacies in the project... Hats off

  • @akkshaye_d7603
    @akkshaye_d7603 6 лет назад

    Great depth of understanding you have about the direction and editing..thanks for the videos.. looking forward to watch ur work..

  • @VivekanandSawant
    @VivekanandSawant 5 лет назад +3

    Amazing information. I had always wondered why i feel so much for the characters in saving private ryan rather than any indian war film characters. This video reveals it wonderfully explaining the difference. While spielberg spends most of his camera movement and focus capturing the human aspect of all the soldiers engaged in war including the enemy soldiers as well, indian war movies try to glorify a particular character as a hero sacrificing realism in the process. Though consciously we might not be visually literate to that extent unconsciously we do try to empathise with all characters that are portrayed on screen.

  • @anandraj0966
    @anandraj0966 4 года назад

    man you are just amazing...hats off to you and how you analizing the movie.

  • @nibiiiiir2113
    @nibiiiiir2113 6 лет назад +1

    ive been watching your videos since morning and theyve been quite fascinating and educational at the same time
    please, continue to make such videos because your efforts are sure as hell gonna become a big movie's inspiration one day

  • @chemcee
    @chemcee 8 лет назад +1

    Excellent analysis. The best movie on war. Period.
    Fav part in the video. 5:43. Kudos man

  • @supreetsahu1964
    @supreetsahu1964 8 лет назад +1

    That was really insightful. Looking forward for more of your videos.
    PS. A video on Pulp Fiction/ Quentin's Direction skills in general would be awesome.

  • @anumehakaushik9514
    @anumehakaushik9514 7 лет назад

    you are extreamly underrated. you should have more than 1 m subscribers

  • @pedallingstetho
    @pedallingstetho 4 года назад

    Excellent comparison sir . Just an amazing . Keep analysing movies and characters . Great work , sir .

  • @kamblisatyajit
    @kamblisatyajit 4 года назад +2

    Bollywood for the longest times have been playing action scenes as some sort of video game. The killings from the opposite evoke a sense of victory and nothing else. No remorse. Its only recently in Raazi, they managed to show how the other side feels.

  • @sagar1326
    @sagar1326 5 лет назад

    Now this channel is gold...

  • @CurtlyTalks
    @CurtlyTalks 5 лет назад +2

    As long-shots and battle scenes go, Kubrick's Paths of glory has quite a few of them. Would love to hear about that.

    • @Aryan-pj3iw
      @Aryan-pj3iw 5 лет назад

      Also the 'All Quiet on Western Front'

  • @loksachauhan54
    @loksachauhan54 6 лет назад

    Dude your videos are changing my perception of watching movies.

  • @cosmic._.turtle
    @cosmic._.turtle 5 лет назад +1

    Oh you've earned yourself a subscriber.. Very well done, thought provoking, well analyzed video essay. We need creators like this from Indian RUclips platform. Godspeed 🤘

  • @roshanadhikari1919
    @roshanadhikari1919 4 года назад

    Each video I watch, I cannot stop from liking it. I want to subscribe to his channel a million times.

  • @JayMadyal
    @JayMadyal 5 лет назад

    You are absolutely a bridge between us and the minds of true directors!! Great work.

  • @prasenjeet419
    @prasenjeet419 5 лет назад

    Need more channels with narration like yours.

  • @rohitpatil6818
    @rohitpatil6818 8 лет назад

    Wow i was just blown away by ur analysis.Thank you

  • @dmegzel
    @dmegzel 5 лет назад +1

    wherry interesting video, made me really think about how desensitize i and most people have become about consuming content, keep up the good work.

  • @SuchayJanbandhuOfficial
    @SuchayJanbandhuOfficial 8 лет назад

    just great Vinit.... u r doing it awesomely...

  • @anurathangd
    @anurathangd 5 лет назад +2

    I completely agree with your video. When handling war movies individual glorification and heroic scenes should not be there. If Indian mass heroes want heroism they can go for any other subject or act like super heroes in war movies. Apart from these items, director is missing lot of technical in the scene.

  • @vishal23208
    @vishal23208 8 лет назад

    @Vinit : Good Job. Looking forward to see your insight's more in near future.

  • @abhishekpatel2597
    @abhishekpatel2597 7 лет назад

    this is only channel that i turn notification on. great work man.👏👏👏

  • @Jubilantbanda
    @Jubilantbanda 3 года назад

    That wall suddenly collapse and said ohh my god....!!! That's woww n thrilling moment

  • @300risesagain5
    @300risesagain5 6 лет назад

    Marvellous As always !

  • @Samandwerner
    @Samandwerner 8 лет назад

    Finally I have found a channel, where I can learn something about cinema! Please try and post more frequently. Cheers! :)

  • @RaptorMaitre
    @RaptorMaitre 5 лет назад

    To be fair, Lakshya was that "ONE" movie which showed outgoing tracers from an MG. That gave a sense of depth and motion to the vertical assaults. In other movies most guns are just blazing hit to kill weapons, sometimes not even ejecting cases or ricochets. Just shows how far removed from our movies are from the reality. The spectacle of a gunfight with snaps, whizzes, whistles, reverberations, and the deafening sound of gunfire is an experience most movies (even Hollywood) fail to capture visually and aurally. Lakshya at least tried to have consultants from IMA.

  • @amanaggarwal5286
    @amanaggarwal5286 8 лет назад +1

    As usual amazing research.Keep going.

  • @bhaveshjain1044
    @bhaveshjain1044 3 года назад +1

    No war movie from India will ever be even half of what saving private Ryan or the pianist or Schindler's list is..

  • @vaishakkrishnan1638
    @vaishakkrishnan1638 5 лет назад +2

    How about tango Charlie...that was quite a good representation of war brutality... quite underrated I must add..

    • @ramanandaleishangthemleish477
      @ramanandaleishangthemleish477 5 лет назад

      Who said dat?

    • @anshulsharma9963
      @anshulsharma9963 3 года назад

      Tango charlie lacks character development, cinematography, unnecessary love portion.they tried their best to show the horrors of war but unfortunately couldn't, but i will prefer tango Charlie over URI anytime . War shouldn't be glorified anyhow some people will say we retaliated against terrorists but it lacks to show how a soldier suffers after killing. War is evil and shouldn't be glorified thats what he's saying.

  • @zedzoheb7947
    @zedzoheb7947 8 лет назад +1

    Both Saving Private Ryan and Lakshya are my favorite movies. You did a very good discussion on their point of view of direction/story telling.. At end you mentioned that we (or average visual media consumer) are still lacking the visual literacy..Ya, its absolutely true..Can you please say something about this? What's the reason behind our lacking after watching/consuming so much of videos? How can we literate ourselves while watching an informative video? Will it boost our visual experience or this knowledge can also potentially diverge us from the simple meaning the video wants to convey?
    I would really learn something if you answer me. I'll remain patient for your reply. Thanks again for the awesome video.

    • @CinemaBeyondEntertainment
      @CinemaBeyondEntertainment  8 лет назад +1

      +Zed Zoheb The answers to your questions shall be given in the form of another video...stay tuned!

    • @mohitrawat5225
      @mohitrawat5225 Год назад +1

      ​@@CinemaBeyondEntertainmentI got your point but you simply can't compare scenes from these two films because both the movies are set up on different wars. SPR is set up in WW2 where they were greedy people from both sides and the soldiers from both sides had these thoughts in mind why are we even fighting this war. There were some grey areas and both the sides were guilty but in Lakshya only the enemy side Pakistan was clearly guilty because they illegally captured our land. They broke peace treaty signed between the two countries in 1971. In WW2 soldiers had the feeling that there should be no war but Pakistan has clearly backstabbed and Indian soldiers wanted to fight. They had patriotism. They simply weren't working on non violence. They knew Pakistan didn't understand the language of non violence. But anyway always a great fan of your channel especially your video about great acting.

  • @itsalwayssunnyingoa2963
    @itsalwayssunnyingoa2963 5 лет назад +3

    Well you'll hardly find any movies in Bollywood that aren't hero-centric, the director has to take care to make sure that everything revolves around the Hero
    Unlike hollywood where the plot is more important
    Heck actors don't even audition for a role in Bollywood

  • @vividhkothari1
    @vividhkothari1 5 лет назад +3

    At 05.30, that kid's acting or what? That shot alone gave me chills. I thought it was a real footage.

    • @subhajitghoshUC
      @subhajitghoshUC 3 года назад

      It is a soviet film regarding the occupation of Belarus by Nazi Germany during Operation Berbarossa. This particular part of the film is hard to watch where the SS soldiers killed innocent civilians.

  • @Germania9
    @Germania9 7 лет назад +5

    "And then... there is this asshole."
    Ha.
    But seriously, Bollywood & Hollywood aren't different from each other when it comes to making movies for the lowest common denominators. War movies by both industries are guilty of glorifying the war & heroics of otherwise really violent & bloody conflicts. Even terrible when Indian war movies focus on the soldiers' heroics rather than actually exploring their psychological costs of fighting these terrible wars. Meanwhile, post-Saving Private Ryan movies co-opt the violent spectacle with the soldiers' heroic without really understanding why the violence matter. Either way, there are less Indian movies that explore horrible side of war, and the PTSDs the soldiers are forced to endure.
    Btw, Pearl Harbor is more of failed attempt at cashing in on the Titanic phenomena, which didn't get why that James Cameron classic work; despite the big cast & theme song; made money & became a timeless classic.

    • @sosringdaothaosen3562
      @sosringdaothaosen3562 7 лет назад

      +Zedfinite What about Bollywood's Border, does it portray realism or just glorifies army?

    • @caomhan84
      @caomhan84 6 лет назад +2

      The main difference between Bollywood and Hollywood is that while both make movies for the lowest common denominator, in Hollywood a good, intelligent film that explores issues has more of a chance to make money and be appreciated by both critics and audiences. In Bollywood, intelligent films make no money and are rejected by audiences as "boring" and "difficult." And as bad as Michael Bay is (and as bad as Pearl Harbor is)....at least he is a competent director who can make a coherent film. When people hold up shit like Baahubali as the pinnacle of Indian filmmaking, it makes Michael Bay look like a freaking genius.

  • @ankityadav6447
    @ankityadav6447 5 лет назад

    Great stuff man.

  • @rishikeshjaiswal3979
    @rishikeshjaiswal3979 5 лет назад

    Absolutely spot on!

  • @ankurnalgundwar7579
    @ankurnalgundwar7579 7 лет назад

    Really great content... Looking for more stuff...!

  • @anilsiddik946
    @anilsiddik946 5 лет назад

    Impressed , Good stuff.

  • @TheAnubhab
    @TheAnubhab 5 лет назад

    Subscribed. Will expect more like this. Loved it.

  • @chandanmohapatra7811
    @chandanmohapatra7811 5 лет назад +1

    Don't forget Tango Charlie. It's one of the best and realistic Bollywood war movies.

    • @chandanmohapatra7811
      @chandanmohapatra7811 5 лет назад

      Border is no doubt the best war movie in Bollywood in the sense of capturing the audience emotionally. But what it really means to be in a war is best portrayed in Tango charlie.

  • @rabindraadhikari3115
    @rabindraadhikari3115 7 лет назад +1

    U sud do a बिश्लेषण of "Tango Charlie". It shows the harsh reality of war and the moral dilemma of the protagnist after his mistake killing.

  • @ixwaku
    @ixwaku 5 лет назад

    It is astonishing to understand the movies i watched from another perspective. Could you please post your top 10 movies to watch

  • @sameertambe7430
    @sameertambe7430 6 лет назад

    Best war movies of all time - saving private Ryan and thin red line ...both are shining in my personal collection...looking forward to in depth critical analysis of both gems

  • @spandana2225
    @spandana2225 6 лет назад

    You made my day! Thank you ❤

  • @filmishit
    @filmishit 3 года назад +1

    This is a comparision between a coming-of-age film and a real war film. It's not fair.

    • @anshulsharma9963
      @anshulsharma9963 3 года назад

      But the base was war and war shouldn't be glorified, there was no tension shown , nothing of how a soldier suffers after war ..

    • @filmishit
      @filmishit 3 года назад

      @@anshulsharma9963 because there are two different films. This was not a copy of Saving Private Ryan where war was the central theme. In this film the war isn't even introduced until the second half because that's not whats important. What's important is Hritik Roshan's character's journey from being aimless to fighting for the country and winning.

  • @subhAjitDin
    @subhAjitDin 6 лет назад

    Very good analytical insight.

  • @saptarshiray7474
    @saptarshiray7474 5 лет назад +1

    Dude u just explained something that I was searching. Indian movies romanticizes war movies
    Like anything . That is after watching disturbing war movies Like SPR , apocalypse now,platoon
    And full metal jacket when I saw border and Lakshya i felt like I just watched cheap commercial movies.

  • @40_himanshupardeshi99
    @40_himanshupardeshi99 6 лет назад

    What a video man amazing

  • @piyushkumar1466
    @piyushkumar1466 5 лет назад

    I watched the very first video of yours and subscribed..👍👍

  • @vatsalkhajuria3761
    @vatsalkhajuria3761 6 лет назад +1

    Haqeeqat is the best war film India ever made hands down. And shockingly this film is recommended by CBSE in their Class 12 Indian Politics book that's how I got to watch this film. Absolutely magnificent and equally shocking that the govt is actually recommending gritty realistic films.

  • @kirankumarswain1766
    @kirankumarswain1766 6 лет назад

    4:21 what's the name of the background music.?

  • @xhitiz22
    @xhitiz22 7 лет назад +4

    Yeah man that's your opinion~ The Big Lebowski one of my favourite.

  • @sparker2857
    @sparker2857 6 лет назад +1

    I knew it was gonna be Michael Bay as soon as you said asshole. But the thing is I don't think Lakshya was made to be a film depicting war, I consider it more of a coming of age tale for Hritik's character.

  • @psychickalangara7100
    @psychickalangara7100 5 лет назад

    Wat is your opinion about dunkrik

  • @boombang5750
    @boombang5750 6 лет назад

    What are your thoughts on URI? I think your video is perfectly timed.

  • @awara_hu
    @awara_hu 5 лет назад

    This video ia a stroke of genius..... Well done

  • @55minku
    @55minku 4 года назад

    What an expert analysis!

  • @sameertambe7430
    @sameertambe7430 5 лет назад

    Vinit ...arre aahes kuthe ? No uploads for a very long time now

  • @GamerInVoid
    @GamerInVoid 5 лет назад +1

    Just excellent ! This is the exact thing I cringe about in Bollywood movies. They just dont care about showing the gritty truth of situation situations