Financially RUINED After 1 Year? Here's How Our "Cheap" Land Rovers Have Held Up!
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- ( www.alltfl.com/ ) Check out our new spot to find ALL our content, from news to videos and our podcasts! It's been a full year since Tommy and Kase made the plunge and each bought "cheap" Land Rovers. In this video, you'll get a closer look at how Tommy's 2006 LR3 has fared over the past 12 months, and what all is going on with Kase's 2000 Discovery II!
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Live in Denver - 3 Defender 90s, 1 Defender 110, 3 Range Rovers, 1 LR3 (still have the 110 and LR3) in 24 years. No major issues. LR3 is my daily driver. 160,000 miles. Zero issues except I tried to buy an aftermarket gas cap. Nope, gotta go oem. Still on the original suspension. Need to pickup Sheetrock? No problem. Need seating for 7? Easy. Want to go 4 wheeling with your Jeep friends. Sure. V8 HSE LR3 is the best vehicle LR has ever made. And I’ve owned enough LR’s to give that opinion. I’ve also owned Toyota Tacomas and 2 Land Cruisers. Nice trucks. But boring on the inside. And, contrary to popular belief. They break down and they are expensive to fix…. All good. Doesn’t matter what you drive…as long as you like it.
Kase, don't let anyone get you down. You have a dream and you are making it happen with your own 2 hands. There is so much satisfaction in that. It is also a challenge that most people won't undertake, so be proud of your accomplishments. Just remember that no matter how good AI gets and whatever that means for video production, it cannot do this!
And vision and passion!
Kase make a video or two on your build. That looks awesome. You should call it the DiscoVette
DisCorvettery II?
@@derekclark2590 Corver?
Data Point: 2012 LR4, bought new. Ride comfort, storage, offroad and camping over 125,000 miles without any major issues. Best car I’ve ever owned - just can’t let it go.
Tommy, if you really like the rock rails, take them to a local power coat company. They will blast them and powder coat for a few hundred dollars. You will have to remove them but then you will have a good opportunity to paint some bed liner/ stone chip under the sides.
Or he can paint them himself with Raptor liner. Then when it gets scratches he can touch it up.
What happened to the Tommy who only wanted vehicles with crank windows, manual locks, and power nothing?
He got sick of living in the 1940s 😂 one can only deal with manually unlocking and locking the passenger door 9 times a day for so long
@@TFLcar that's what I thought. Whenever he used to say such things, I told him as somebody who grew up with cars like that, that I would never want to go back. Turns out a little experience goes a long way.
He started to feel some age
he got married :)
@@bakhtiyarpakhirdinov2461 na hes always liked these.
I bought a 2007 LR3 HSE about a year ago and it also has been great. Had 132k miles when bought and is in great condition inside and out. Done some deferred maintenance the PO should have like wheel bearings and lower control arms. Changed all the same fluids Tommy did (but did it myself for much cheaper). They're surprisingly simple to work on. Loving it so far after a year of ownership.
I think mechanics are all so crooked people just don't even try, its why I do all my own work, I can't even get some tires put on at a shop without being given ancient tires for crazy money, it's a horror show out there
Case needs to LS swap a lawn mower 😁
Kase, I promise you that Land Cruisers still need plenty of maintenance. My Dad's 100 series has actually really nickeled and dimed him over the past year with all the maintenance it has needed.
My experience as well, everything is expensive, I’ve had my ‘98 with 166K miles and after owning for 6 years, and 50,000 miles, my average cost is about $2500 per year. Has never left me stranded though.
@@balauderman And most auto parts stores don't just have Land Cruiser parts sitting on the shelf, it almost always takes 3-7 days for the parts to come in from a warehouse. Meanwhile, if I need a part for my ZJ Grand Cherokee or my GMT400 Chevy, I can walk into any small town NAPA auto parts and its almost guaranteed they will have the part I need in stock.
I would say the less options in those the better! No need to worry about the heated seats going out or a leaking sunroof. Only thing that needs to work is the off-road goodies! You've got great luck Tommy! Nice rig!
the less options/stuff you have on a vehicle....the less stuff that can break
Truth. I have a JLU Sport S with nearly zero options (tow package, gorilla glass, limited slip on the rear), and have had zero issues over 34k miles. Fancy electronics can be a bane.
LR3 is an excellent all around vehicle. DIY maintenance is a must to keep costs down (as well as finding good parts suppliers). Just tackle one job at a time and have a backup vehicle so you're not rushed. I hope you drove UT128 as part of your Moab trip. Just did that and the Colorado National Monument as part of our 5k mile road trip in our X7. Love the update and keep up the great work!
the LR3 in poverty spec is actually the best spec
Kase and Andrey should have started a dueling LS swap series - the highs , lows, mistakes, mods. Whether the swap resulted in what they wanted when they started 🤔 that might have been cool to watch
and then do a drag race!:)
I do own an 08 LR3 HSE which has zero issues 270k miles and, up until 2 months ago, all original air suspension - had to replace the two front air bags due to cracks.
When maintained properly LR/Disco 3 will last and it really is a very good driving vehicle on and off road.
I am very excited About that LS swap, on that Disco 2, it will make it very nice to drive up the Colorado mountains!
I wish the the LR3 came with that 6 liter LS instead of the AJ41!
Thank you for sharing Cases daily. It's gonna be GREAT!!
Online reviews are always going to put a negative spin on things - you don’t often post about how your truck did a 500 mile trip with no issues - but it seems like a couple of nice trucks there.
I’m loving my D2 V8 and having watched Christian and Vera on LR Time I’m tempted by a LR3 or LR4.
I'm a Brit in Denver. After a couple of years of looking, found an '06 LR3 SE 74,000 miles, 2 previous owners (SoCal and CO, so rust free), extensive service history. $8,000. Clearly spec'd for SoCal - no heated seats but has a sunroof and the "upgraded" stereo. Original air suspension. Love. This. Truck. Ask me again after a CO winter....it will spend a lot of time in the mountains. My last LR was a '95 D1, 70,000 trouble free miles. I might be suffering from a false sense of security. We'll see......
My LR3 has 245K miles and is on it's original air suspension and compressor.
Almost done with my 5.3 swap, done on about a third of the budget of this one haha. All the little things add up! Maybe when the ZF dies I’ll look at the 6 speed and a power adder. Can’t wait to get it back on the road!
Best part is I’m still under the cost of a land cruiser or 4Runner all in.
Cool video! If you are a true car enthusiast you buy a car with your heart, not only your wallet. A car should make you feel something. It's not an appliance, like a washing machine. Not to a true car enthusiast. Love the Kace and Tommy videos, best pairing in all of car RUclips.
I’ve owned two Disco II’s. One of which my father bought new in December ‘99 and I kept it for 20 years. By the time I sold it the dealer had changed the transmission twice and I’d done a head gasket job and full engine swap myself. For all the character it had, I had to recognize that it was an absolute money pit and sold it.
The LS and transmission swap will address the failings of the Disco. I never had any issues beyond the transmission and engine with either of my Disco’s. I’d love to see a full build series on the process!
I’m in a 100 series Land Cruiser now and while they absolutely require maintenance, the build quality and reliability is light years ahead of the Rover.
Here in the UK the discovery 2 is a much in demand car for off roading but we got the 2.5 td5 engine that goes on for ever ,I’ve just got a Discovery 4 with the sdv6 engine 3.0 with an 8 speed gear box 2013 😊bloody great car with only 68,000 miles and fall Land Rover service history
As crazy as it seems, sometimes it’s better to buy the car with slightly higher mileage bc that means a lot of the teething issues have been addressed by the previous owners.
Might want to go ahead and look at oil pan options for that LS2 which has baffles in place so that the pickup works when the engine/vehicle is extremely off-camber.
Great video guys!
I was wondering what happened to Kase's white Disco 2 Land Rover.
I had not seen it on the channel in while. Thanks for the update on the old LRs.
Looks like it is coming along. Good job Kase !
Just sold my 2dr Badlands Bronco and bought a V8 2dr Defender.
First ever LR for me, and loving it so far.
Really looking forward to more TFL LR content.
Hoping to see the Discovery II when it's completed, and a full overview of what you've done to it. I'm sure it will come out great.
2016 LR4 owner here. Bought it new. Now approaching 100k miles. One coolant leak and one AC refrigerant leak. No other problems. I love the car. It is the best SUV I’ve owned. Family car, cross country, comfort, looks amazing, best car I’ve owned in the snow. There should be this style SUV from every company but right now the only new SUV like it for anything like reasonable money is the new Land Cruiser
I totally with Tommy's sentiments on the Disco3, I have owned 4 without any major issues, crossed the Kalahari desert overland and thousands of off road miles in them. It's a van, a luxury 7 seater and yes a true 4x4 no other vehicle can be compared even the more modern Range Rovers/Landrovers (other than the Defender).
That "rover" V8 is actually a Buick. GM designed the engine in the early 1960s and eventually sold it to Rover in 1965. So, you're taking a GM engine out, and replacing it with another one!
I was sooooo tempted to buy one recently but after thinking about it a moment I thought "even im not quite stupid enough" so i bought a van :) And I used to work there :)
Hi from South Africa, been using LRs for 50 years, have also owned just about everything else, including 12 of the 'most reliable T brand' vehicles in the world, bottom line is if it has wheels it needs regular tlc or it will break. I can write a book about the positive aspects of LRs verses the rest, specially when used in really extreme conditions like game catching and hunting in desert(Kalahari) conditions, where if you wound an animal you have to catch it(with a vehicle), ironically the D2 has one of the toughest standard suspensions to do this. Hence the reason these are my preference.
… so in conclusion: Land Rover’s are great vehicles so long as you either buy one that was a rebadged Ford or buy one and replace all the Land Rover parts.
Technically not a rebadged Ford, but used a Ford derived engine.
Not a rebadged Ford at all. Also, only the V6 was a Ford based engine, but even it had balance shafts added and a more robust oiling system added. There are some videos out there of the factory testing the LR3 smashing over concrete holes, going over jumps and all kinds of madness- just pummeling the thing.
I’ve always loved the look of the LR3 but I would never take the chance and buy one because of it’s reputation
Great video. Land Rover has never got a consistent high quality of production.
Tommy found a unicorn!
The biggest Land Rover haters are almost always people that have never owned one! I love my ‘09 LR3, by far the best vehicle/money ratio out there. Even with some repairs, you get a very capable and comfortable vehicle for little money. I will say though, if you plan on buying one, make sure you are willing and able to work on it yourself. What could be a repair in the hundreds of dollars will instead be in the thousands.
Oh and one more thing, if you think a Land Cruiser isn’t maintenance intensive, you’re wrong on that one. They love their maintenance and will bite you if not taken care of properly. I’m not talking about oil changes either, I’m talking about things like replacing the entire radiator when doing a timing belt change on the 100 series for example.
The personal protection armoured LR3 are still being used for moving politicians around over here in northern ireland and the police have the same vehicles so they must be good great video
My lr3 has been the best car I've EVER owned also, 8 years, 250k miles and NO issues but some maintenance. Just not a car for people who need toyota ease of ownership
348k miles on my 01 p38 and 182k on my 19 Range Rover sport SC no major issues on the sport
I had two of those: a 1994 and then a somewhat interior restyled 1998 model. These vehicle handled amazingly well on a highway and are the true champs off road. I owned over 20 cars since then but these Discos still have a very special place in my heart. The only issue was very poor mpg, and this conversion sorts it out! You made me thinking about buying one and doing the same. Thank you very much! 🙏🏻👍
That LR3 is way more reliable than any of the new Toyotas and that will make the fanboys cry
Nice vid guys. You’d have to double the price on that swap if you couldn’t DYI .
PS: cut the grass!😂😂
Been waiting for that D2/Land Cruiser rematch.
We had discovery's here from 1997 to 2021, a tdi and 2 td5's....life is so much less stressful now, the things often broke down and constantly needed fixing!
What a great little story!! If Jackanory drove a 4x4 it would definitely be a Toyota…. I do find that Toyota owners really are full of shit and it amazes me how often they love to share an opinion on a vehicle they know nothing about! You’ve never owned any Land Rover ever, have you! I mean, look at the user name you use. 😂😂🤡🤡
Great video guys. I alwasy enjoy the way you three get along. Really liked Case's project. Swapped a Chevy 283 into an old JF40 several years ago so appreciate what is going into this. Thank ou!
I own both. 01 D2 fully built with 4" lift 35s lockers, etc...230k miles. And I still take it everywhere. In fact next week we have a 800 mile trip through the mountains of West Virginia. Ive owned it for 20yrs and trust it more than most others cars.. My other is a 05 lr3 stock except for 32' tires. Its at 288k miles on all original drivetrain and even rear air! I daily drive it and occasionally take it camping. It really is a swiss army knife. If I had to choose, Id stick with my D2. It can do all the super hard stuff and still cruise at 70mph on the highway.
I’ve owned a D110, Series III, and RR Classic, and rest of my family has owned a Disco I, Disco II, and RR P38. I learned a lot about fixing cars early on. Now I’ve switched to Toyotas... A cheap Land Rover can certainly be tempting, but just not worth it unless you have the expendable time and money
Tommy, had a 2012 LR4 I bought from cars and bids. Expensive to get it up to date but ran great and was awesome as a weekend vehicle. I now have a 2021 RRS SVR because I love the 5.0L engine. It’s also my favorite vehicle. There is something special about all of them, and I think they’re worth the higher cost of ownership.
Great choice on LS, 80e, and doing an oil analysis.
E30, classic Merc, and a Disco 2 in the garage. Awesome! Guy's got good taste!
I have owned a D1 bought brand new broke down after collecting from the dealer also owned a D2, now own a from new D4. The D4 has caused some problems. The D2 was the best, drove all over Europe towing our big caravan ( trailer to you ) never missed beat.
Assuming you're re-using that lt230 transfer case, are you sure it'll take so much extra power from the LS?
There's HD uprades available for that transfer box (at least in the UK).
I would love to see part of the build in a series. Can't wait to see the finished product.
I fully support this motor swap and I want to see/hear more once it progresses along. More excited about that than tommy's honestly.
Looks like Kase can harvest his hay any time now.
I recently bought a 220,000 mile LR3 to compliment my E46 M3. It's been owned and maintained by Land Rover nerds most of its life so it's in great shape despite the miles. I've done a bunch of preventative maintenance in the hopes of keeping it on the road for many more miles. So far I've just had to replace the parking brake shoes, and patch up a slightly worn fuel sender line that was shorting on the frame.
Incidentally I also had a bad experience with Terrafirma. I had to return two of their roof racks due to comically bad manufacturing defects. I was so put off the brand that I'm planning to replace the perfectly good Terrafirma ladder that came with the truck just because I don't want their logo on my truck.
I've got an lr3 to compliment my e36 m3 😂
Such a neat build Case, i look forward to seeing more with it, excellent video as always guys!!😊
Really enjoying these videos. Just bought a 2008 LR3, HSE. After having 2 Classics, 1 P38, 1D1 and 4 D2's. I like the LR3 more than all the rest combined! Keep up the good work.
Hey… belated, congrats on the wedding Tommy❤
As a proud only of a 175k mike LR3 I can say it’s an awesome truck.. I love it and is use it as my daily.. The 4.4L V8 is glorious . BUT… it does require maintenance and it has broken on me.. maybe a little more than a typical truck but I do my own repairs/maintenance. Even with the hiccups I’m keeping mine..
Shoulda gotten a first gen Sequoia. Just as comfortable and just as capable (although you'll want a 2" lift)
Chase's build reminds me of back in the day when folks with 80s Jags would swap the british engine for a chevy v8 for reliablity
You did not mention the ML W163. Tommy, you should have given it another chance, buying a 2001 ML witch was the model and year I had, and it was as good as the Land Rover LR3 off-road.
I drove through wild mountains and offroad parks, never broke on me.
Love to see more vids on Case's build.
Absolutely love my LR3, wish I still had my Disco2. Would love to have done a swap.
Cant wait Case!!!! Thats goimg to make some awesome videos!!!
I’m in Australia and bought almost this exact vehicle about 6 months ago to fill in for my 2014 (Classic) Defender while it was being repaired after hitting a Kangaroo.
Paid $1500AUD for a 2007 SE Petrol V6 (these are the most popular petrol engines we got in Aus). 180000km so It had issues but nothing that couldn’t be sorted out with a bit of online knowledge and some mechanical skills.
Very comfortable and capable vehicle but also feels utilitarian rather than luxurious inside.
Still haven’t been able to bring myself to get rid of it 😂
Love what you are doing Kase. I completely understand your why. That is a cool rig especially with the 6L GM and 6 speed. I have the same truck, same original color, but haven’t had the issues with the 4L that you were having. I thought the company making the LS kits stopped making them this year, but obviously you found another company. Please keep everyone posted. I’m interested if your swap will allow you to keep Traction control? I heard you say lockers so maybe that’s the end goal. Have fun!
Maybe your mechanic was smoking something because doesn't the LR3 use the ZF 6 speed transmission with the replaceable plastic pan? The filter is built into the pan and it's totally normal to replace the entire plastic pan when you change the filter and fluid.
The pan and filter were all one unit when new. You have to cut the filter off and use the new kit with metal pan.
Survivorship bias is great - if it has lasted this long, it probably will do OK. if you bought it new, there were so many initial problems that suck when you just bought a new car.
I can't wait to see the head to head match between Tommy and kase
The lr3 is known for having issues with the drive shaft and the wheel bearings going out.I just replaced mine. Still love it though
Did wheel bearings on mine at 132k. How many miles yours have when the driveshaft needed replacing?
@@TreatsOnTheStreets mine has 240k on the clock. It's to be expected. I'm Still rocking the original air suspension.
Tailgate looks like the new expedition
Kase you should just run a np241 chevy t case. Those axles will not hold the power. Get the np241 or 261 out of a silverado. And a d60 front from a obs Ford and a dana 60 rear from a 2nd gen dodge ram. 6.0 LQ4s can shred dana 44 pinions. Gotta run 60s dude. Thank me later.
I think the dana axles would be too wide for the body, im gonna buy some upgraded axle shafts for the stock stuff and run it carefully to see how it does. If i break axles every other week I’ll go another route but the stock stuff axles/t-case arent horrible
I agree with Austin. Been there, done that. Upgrading shafts will just lead to grenading gears and differentials. Also agree with a np241 at minimum. The 261 is a slight upgrade in capacity. If you want to bombproof it look at a 271.
@kasevr plenty of guys running 35s on Ls swaps with upgraded diffs and shafts. Talk to Dave Ashcroft. Don't do ARB or Terrafirma anything!!
@krover01 what gears are they running. My 4.3 chevy v6 has shredded a 4.56 pinion on a D44 front. It's a solid axle s10.
Can you do LS swap and still register it in Denver and pass emissions? Or registering a car like this is only possible out of Denver Metro Area?
This was great, everybody goes on about conversions but this is the most I've learned about it, ever, and Tommy if someone spends millions making an AC repair kit there's a good chance (100%) that it does what it says ... Millenials and millions and millions of other adults seem to struggle with reality at it's most basic. Here's why it matters
"This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie, but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore."
A people that can no longer distinguish between truth and lies cannot distinguish between right and wrong.". Thats by a German philosopher about how hitlers gang fooled the german people into a war of utter madness
the V6 is a Ford Mondeo V6
A little over 2k in maintenance so far...that's not that bad at all these days.
Nice video can’t wait to see this build to come together. 👍🤦♂️🤦♂️
isn't the LS2 out of the C5 corvette? I thought the C6 had the LS3.
Sweet 300SEL, no ugly USDM side markers and bumperetts
Oh man! Rock rails?
Rock rails don’t attach to rocket panels. They’re steps.
If I were to get a LR3 getting that transmission service "swap", for easier service, what could I expect to spend? at a shop, anybody did it already? if you dont, you simply dont change the transmission oil?
Congratulations Tommy!! 🥂
One question, is that electric weedeater broken? If not, that side where you have the old LR engine could really use some attention.
To be honest your wrangler with manual locks was a bit too far. But still is nice a simple "basic" spec. Like i can deal with no heated seats or auto headlights. Specially if i get so many off-road buttons to play with
I am wondering how much of your rear driveshaft will be left?
The E30 😍
I would say the V6 is the most reliable. I might be wrong but it's related to the explorers V6.
You would be wrong, about the reliability, anyhow.. The SOHC Cologne V6 has a reputation for puking cam chain guides that it definitely earned in powering Ranger, Explorer, and Mustang. Changing them is a PITA. I had to yank the engine out of my 4X4 Ranger to do the job. That cemented the end of my relationship with that turd.
If you've got a SOHC Cologne V6, the question isn't IF your engine is going to puke cam chain guides. It is a question of when. There is nothing fun about changing them, Paying someone else to do it is even less fun.
thanks for the Land Rover update, Alex should try again ... best 3 out of 7?
His complaints are laughable. Even Tommy and Kase are giving him crap over it
range classic and disco1 arent bad the US just had the worst version you had 3.9 v8 coupled with an very old auto trans, while in europe we had 200tdi - 300tdi with lt77s and lt230which are bulletprof
Love this video.
i wonder how much $ and labor to to a crd swap or some other diesel probably alot.
about tommys missing options none of those matter for offroading or any significance
tommy get some lottery tickets and try a casino you got some good luck right there.
talk about upping your value with a ls swap, everything goes correctly it will save him money in the long run.
Landsnoozers are the only ones I see break cvs, axles and weak clutches they are not all that great.
Your camera guys' is still for sale on marketplace..has been for 3-4 months
How long has the project car been in ”going to be done” status??? Probably will end up being sold as parts to the next guy that’s going to finish it someday maybe.
Aren't you the happy little clairvoyant. Lots of people do major swap builds and actually complete them.
I'd love one!
Drove toyota products before and they let me down too many times. Dumped them and never looked back. Land Rovers are so much more capable. I'll continue working on my friends Toyotas but I won't own another one.
$2k, even $3k in maintenance & a few extras is not a lot of $, it ain't nuthin. 1 regular person's regular car's visit to a regular dealer will cost nearly that much....