This guy 11 days earlier: "No, AMD SUCKS." Personally I'd define 'sucks' as being worse than all competitors, but how can that be true if the only real competitor just dies randomly after a few thousand hours of usage.
We could give him the benefit of the doubt if he wasn't making an actual observation If he unironically said that, yeah Also I have always benefited from the higher core count in my own workloads and AMD always tended towards that
AMD did sucked before and Intel was indeed better but the roles have shifted now. And I most say that even when AMD CPU's were worse in the bulldozer days, I don't recall what's happing with Intel now ever happening with AMD. But in those days, CPU's weren't as complex and pushed to the limit as they are now.
For the anecdotal evidence : During my entire life I never had a CPU die. I have 10+ years old computers that I haven't sent for recycling yet and they still work. Intel CPUs, either intentionally or accidentally, were made so that it's sure they will break.
You're lucky, sometimes it happened anyways, personally I had an ASUS motherboard killing a 2500k . Nowadays with competition, each competitor fighting for better performance, the high end CPU are on the limits of the technology. That the exact case that leads to reliability issues.
Even the 65w Intel CPUs have been failing like the i9s its been in the tech news all week, Even on server boards running strict intel specs they are still failing and the suspect is oxidization and migration of the interconnecting layers, some devs are even putting warning about 13/14 gen in games about failures, even the mobile chips are doing it, but suspected different faults one dev had 100% failure rates.
because even if it is 65w cpu the single core still can boost to very high frequencies at high voltages... that is why @necronix9947 If u run at voltages at say 1.35-1.4v u will not experience this issues as it is locked to this voltage value.
I'm going to sue Intel in small claims, im including my time building and diagnosing the problem as well as the cost of the contact frame and the added coolers I purchased in an attempt to fix the issue. .
My rma just got approve for my 14900k, im going to set everything to intel recommendation and wait for the patch that coming in aug, and hope for the best, kind of disappointing had intel since early 90s and this is the first time ive seen one of their cpu have this type of issue that resulting in random app crashing and os locking up even when not under heavy stress, like sc2 is a decade old game the cpu shouldnt be crashing on that.
tips for people having 13th gen and 14th gen intel cpu : -I3 I5 are less prone to failing but still don't risk it -undervolt it and don't overuse it until the BIOS update comes -when you'll have the BIOS updated and the microcode fixed things should begood in theory but if I owned a problematic i9 or I7 I'ld still wait a day or two to see if things actually got better -if it is actually damaged the bios update won't fix it but it will stop the erosion (because as that point it's erosion) people sually say that overvolting it will make it more stable but it may damage it further we don't know for *now*
The microcode update is NOT a fix, it is another mitigation to delay the process of the CPU dying. If it is stable now, undervolting may help, if it isn't stable, overvolting may aid it in running as it should, but will kill it sooner.
@@johnt.848 We don't really know correct. If your CPU has already degraded the damage is done and the microcode will not fix it. The ONLY people that know are Intel. I do not even know if ALL chips are affected. Been running an 13900K since July 2023 and have NOT had any issue as of "YET." I am also running my G-Skill DDR5 at 6800. All I did a while back was set P1 and P2 at 253 and that was it at the time. Until recently even my Damn BIOS was 10 revisions behind LOL! I said if it ain't broke don't fix it, but I did update last week to revision 2402 ROG STRIX Z790-E GAMING WIFI.
@@johnt.848the whole issue is too high voltages being pushed into some of the cores causing degradation over time and crashes . You don’t know what you’re talking about
I have a 14900k on a z690-I and I would get black screen restarts on the desktop no load updates bio and just left stock settings xmp 7200 somewhat stable now
@@merkedgg6322 I had the same Issue with my 13700kf . I fixed the restarting issues by changing my PSU and set the power limit to 150watt max . right now I'm using Corsair rm1000x PSU.
@@Decki777 also my psu is old as fuck pushing 12 years already it a gold 1200 watt Corsair psu so idk rn i running 1..4 fixed vcore at 5.7 synced all core unlocked all limits lvl 6 llc so far no more restarts
@@merkedgg6322 power supply is very important for smooth gaming I had 1% low fps and 0.1% low fps stutters on my old PSU but on my new PSU fixed everything.
If I were you, I would cut my losses by sell mobo, RMA CPU, and hope for refund, then switch to AMD, at least for the next five years. Even AM4 platforms are cheaper and better than most Intel options, which require a new motherboard every couple of generations, forcing you to spend more than necessary.
This guy 11 days earlier: "No, AMD SUCKS."
Personally I'd define 'sucks' as being worse than all competitors, but how can that be true if the only real competitor just dies randomly after a few thousand hours of usage.
We could give him the benefit of the doubt if he wasn't making an actual observation
If he unironically said that, yeah
Also I have always benefited from the higher core count in my own workloads and AMD always tended towards that
It's possible they both suck.
AMD did sucked before and Intel was indeed better but the roles have shifted now.
And I most say that even when AMD CPU's were worse in the bulldozer days, I don't recall what's happing with Intel now ever happening with AMD. But in those days, CPU's weren't as complex and pushed to the limit as they are now.
@@Argoon1981 AMD CPU's just used to flat melt if you pushed them too hard before overheat protections existed.
They still suck lol, go load up the new latest and driver. You get black screens on game launch and bsods due to their kernel driver. Its garbage.
For the anecdotal evidence : During my entire life I never had a CPU die. I have 10+ years old computers that I haven't sent for recycling yet and they still work.
Intel CPUs, either intentionally or accidentally, were made so that it's sure they will break.
Ramped up too much to look good. The customer is getting screwed.
You're lucky, sometimes it happened anyways, personally I had an ASUS motherboard killing a 2500k .
Nowadays with competition, each competitor fighting for better performance, the high end CPU are on the limits of the technology. That the exact case that leads to reliability issues.
Even the 65w Intel CPUs have been failing like the i9s its been in the tech news all week, Even on server boards running strict intel specs they are still failing and the suspect is oxidization and migration of the interconnecting layers, some devs are even putting warning about 13/14 gen in games about failures, even the mobile chips are doing it, but suspected different faults one dev had 100% failure rates.
If Intel tries to tell you it's just a voltage adjustment issue : it's not. The CPUs are degrading as if micro-corrosion was eating them from inside.
With removing the lid and liquid metal I don't think that's an issue
because even if it is 65w cpu the single core still can boost to very high frequencies at high voltages... that is why @necronix9947 If u run at voltages at say 1.35-1.4v u will not experience this issues as it is locked to this voltage value.
@@familhagaudir8561 Wasn't that a specific lot?
This was the issue with mine.
a story in two videos ☠☠
Dead
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I'm going to sue Intel in small claims, im including my time building and diagnosing the problem as well as the cost of the contact frame and the added coolers I purchased in an attempt to fix the issue.
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Sorry to hear about your CPU dieing. Hopefully you can get your situation in a better place. :)
I Already have a new one. Its the one in the video, delidded and ready to rock.
Thank you for the kind words.
In current climate the better place is called "AM5"
Considering the possibility of a second RMA I won't dare delid my 13900K.
Smart man.
Now is the perfect time to buy a new Motherboard and CPU. Get a 9950X with a X870E Motherboard. AMD never disappoints
My rma just got approve for my 14900k, im going to set everything to intel recommendation and wait for the patch that coming in aug, and hope for the best, kind of disappointing had intel since early 90s and this is the first time ive seen one of their cpu have this type of issue that resulting in random app crashing and os locking up even when not under heavy stress, like sc2 is a decade old game the cpu shouldnt be crashing on that.
You're kidding right? You don't know what to do with a 14900k? Why did you buy it?
Welcome to 13th Gen Intel. RMA it and get another dead duck back.
0.2 Mhz is the new powersaving level
Does anyone remember the abbreviation SNDS and its meaning? What happens to these chips is kinda making me remembering on that.
Remember the days of the 2500K...still the king! I still still has 2 pc with 2500K@4.4Ghz...
I have Intel cpus that are 10 years old still kicking to this day.
tips for people having 13th gen and 14th gen intel cpu :
-I3 I5 are less prone to failing but still don't risk it
-undervolt it and don't overuse it until the BIOS update comes
-when you'll have the BIOS updated and the microcode fixed things should begood in theory but if I owned a problematic i9 or I7 I'ld still wait a day or two to see if things actually got better
-if it is actually damaged the bios update won't fix it but it will stop the erosion (because as that point it's erosion) people sually say that overvolting it will make it more stable but it may damage it further we don't know for *now*
100 percent WRONG! Undervolt is part of the problem. If you do not have any DAMN clue, please stop with worthless BS such as your post FFS!
BS, the only tips available is to switch to amd😂
The microcode update is NOT a fix, it is another mitigation to delay the process of the CPU dying. If it is stable now, undervolting may help, if it isn't stable, overvolting may aid it in running as it should, but will kill it sooner.
@@johnt.848 We don't really know correct. If your CPU has already degraded the damage is done and the microcode will not fix it. The ONLY people that know are Intel. I do not even know if ALL chips are affected. Been running an 13900K since July 2023 and have NOT had any issue as of "YET." I am also running my G-Skill DDR5 at 6800. All I did a while back was set P1 and P2 at 253 and that was it at the time. Until recently even my Damn BIOS was 10 revisions behind LOL! I said if it ain't broke don't fix it, but I did update last week to revision 2402
ROG STRIX Z790-E GAMING WIFI.
@@johnt.848the whole issue is too high voltages being pushed into some of the cores causing degradation over time and crashes . You don’t know what you’re talking about
INTEL MEGA ULTRA Hilander OXI
Before 3D Vcache CPUs AMD sucks because non 3D Vache CPUs have 1% low fps dips and 0.1% low dips but 3D Vache CPUs don't have that issue
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Good job.
Thanks! Have a great day.
I have a 14900k on a z690-I and I would get black screen restarts on the desktop no load updates bio and just left stock settings xmp 7200 somewhat stable now
Looks like your CPU's memory controller is getting downgrading.
@@Decki777 sry forgot to say the random black screen restarts would only when I use the ai overclocking feature in xtu
@@merkedgg6322 I had the same Issue with my 13700kf . I fixed the restarting issues by changing my PSU and set the power limit to 150watt max . right now I'm using Corsair rm1000x PSU.
@@Decki777 also my psu is old as fuck pushing 12 years already it a gold 1200 watt Corsair psu so idk rn i running 1..4 fixed vcore at 5.7 synced all core unlocked all limits lvl 6 llc so far no more restarts
@@merkedgg6322 power supply is very important for smooth gaming I had 1% low fps and 0.1% low fps stutters on my old PSU but on my new PSU fixed everything.
If I were you, I would cut my losses by sell mobo, RMA CPU, and hope for refund, then switch to AMD, at least for the next five years. Even AM4 platforms are cheaper and better than most Intel options, which require a new motherboard every couple of generations, forcing you to spend more than necessary.
Literally just did this.
7700x, 4070s prebuilt skytech for like $1100...
I already had am4, I won't be touching non monolithics cpus for as long as I can.
@@techbuildspcs Boy have I news for you, I hope your new CPU holds longer than half a year. 14th gen is the last monolithic release of intel.
@@techbuildspcs AMD make monolithic dies too, not just dual CCDs.