CLASSIC PLUS CONFIRMED! Is THIS What You Expected?
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- We've received confirmation that Classic+ is on its way. Here's what it could potentially look like.
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The fact that flying mounts and new player tutorial are in the form tells me they still do not know wtf classic is about
noooo to flying mounts. Ground mounts should be far cheaper though or gold a touch easier to get. Say 10g for normal mount and 100g for epic mount
Classic+ for me would need a greater emphasis on 5-man content and utilizing already existing areas that aren’t fleshed out. 5-mans are the bread and butter of Classic WoW as it’s accessible and casual content for everyone.
Start with places like Grim Batol and Karazhan. Open them up for exploration and quest-lines that lead up to a well-designed dungeon.
Would be awesome to see them add hidden instance portal wings onto existing lower level dungeons that are tuned for higher levels.
Imagine a max level Shadowfang Keep dungeon that requires a special key to access from a quest-line.
@@CatDad09 soooooo SoD?
@@Super_Burrito I wish.
Yeah i wish they would expand already existing lore or fill some of the empty zones with lore which already exists. There are so many great places with alot of history in the game without much content around it.
@@TonivomBananenboot I agree, but the problem is that Blizzard won’t stop there. They will add too much retail-y garbage.
If they added flying mounts, i would simply not play
ok 💀
big true!
Would totally ruin the classic world feel
Nah fuck flying mounts, not in classic+ There is already, Cata and Retail etc.
There is no place for flying mounts in wow classic. The og game wasnt designed for player to be able to fly over stuff
NO FLYING! NO POKÉMON! All it should be is tweaked specs so everything is viable, fixed and finished content that was supposed to originally exist, and new 60 dungeons, raids, quests, and gear. A timeline as if Outland never happened.
Edit: Dungeon maps would just save countless hours of unnecessary aggravation.
Could we get a training dummy? is this too crazy?
Just having the flying mount question there is concerning
my thought exactly, and pet battles etc
Exactly. That is always one of the clues that Blizzard will screw it up. They shouldn’t even be *thinking* about stupid ideas like flying mounts for Classic.
definitely ready for Classic+ ! I hope they ditch runes and just improve the talent trees
But keep the diversity rather add than modify. Open-Closed principle
I actually really liked the rune system. I don't see us getting even 10% of the rune abilities we got if it requires an entire reword of every single class tree. Runes should stay, imo, even if we call it something else. Maybe allow for a secondary talent tree in lieu of runes
I would say change runes to be more classic oriented. Stop mage healing, rogue tanking for starters. Then retool paladin runes to make it feel like classic paladin not streamlined warrior that heals.
@@jimx45 that's fair, I wouldn't mind it
I like runes
As a guild leader in SOD with 3 full (main only) 20 player raids, an alt raid, world pvp events, and server events....I can say with full confidence, we simply cannot wait for Ashes of Creation to come out so we don't have to suffer the ridiculous direction that blizzard is spewing out and will continue to spew out to these dedicated players.
It is absolutely mind blowing how unintelligent these decisions are. From bombing the economy with incursions, forcing ST for 2 months more than it should have been, releasing ashenvale pvp as a pve only event that you zerg, STV BM event being broken for months due to layering issues, phase 4 BRM pvp event causing players to get griefed repeatedly for hours on end (looking at you hammer. Stay on that 2m timer haha), to now already talking aboyt another classic plus while the SOD playerbase is dying and thriving at the same time.
ZERO productive communication from this dev team is also an issue. Zirene o twitter is an absolute joke of a human being who BLOCKS you if you question anything they are doing. No communication about SOD 40 player content which NOBODY in SOD even wants anymore because of how difficult it is to recruit and hold players.
I'm rambling at this point but blizzard is a joke. I won't even capitalize their name anymore. They also ruined overwatch with greed, diablo 3 and 4 with greed, warcraft 3 reforged with greed. Starcraft is a joke, heroes of the storm is a joke, hearthstone is a joke.
Why does Path of Exile 2 look like what diablo 4 should have been?
Why does Ashes of Creation look like what wow should have become?
Why does hots suck compared to league still?
A company with this much money releasing content this pathetic is the biggest joke in gaming history.
Hots is a disgrace
Ashes of Creation is 3-5 years away.
get your wallet rdy bud.
20 years of hurt
They exploit their employees and their customers. They treat the people who make their money machine actually work like they are dog shit.
No lie, I just wanna play TBC again had a good time with TBC classic.
My guild left me behind and then broke up during tbc, I didn’t even play it because of that, and I never really like Outland but honestly respect because anything that’s pre cats world is worth playing for me
I wouldn't mind it! I jumped over to som when it came out and missed a lot of tbc, but it was fun, feel like vanilla and tbc are my games, wotlk onwards is just too retaily
Tbc is best expansion ever
TBC was Meh.
TBC was fun-ish. Making a 5 man daily mount farm group was fun, raiding was alright, but overall, any expansion with a central hub city is dull and takes away from the overall world.
Honestly bro? Great job finding a way for them to say it without saying it. Amazing journalism, no joke.
Thank you!
@@hammerdancegaming I hope this makes your channel really pop off. I’ve been watching since you were below 1k and it’s all been good. Great to see you succeeding. Classic Plus has been a dream of mine since Cata originally came out.
Fantastic content to farm too. lol
as an old school player i would love to play classic + for sure.
If they ask about flying mount thats mean they dont know shit about what classic IS.
The primary issue is many have no clue what Classic+ means. They focus on meaningless stuff like UI options and group finders. What makes Classic Classic is the STYLE OF GAMEPLAY. Classic is slower paced, it's about the game feeling a bit harder and riskier when solo, a smell the roses style of leveling and social interaction, exploration without world clutter, and an overall older approach to mmorpgs. What is needed are core principles of design that are never broken. Preserve the STYLE and FEEL of the game, and focus on content. If anything new is added, add new systems that are even more old school. Make rep feel more important through RP impact, expand crafting, improve roleplay and make the game feel more like an RPG, and less catering to conveniences.
Flying mounts - NEVER
The fact that none of the retail races would make a good fit for classic just shows you how far they’ve strayed from the original concept of Warcraft…
Model wise or like actual lore?
Cause goblins and blood elves would still fit. In fact goblins and blood elves were planned for vanilla but got cut. In fact, blood elves being cut/delayed from vanilla is why they eventually ended up on the horde.
Zandalari trolls as well (there is the reputation with them in vanilla).
I would argue Worgen as well, tho they would need a lore change and lots of model work. There is that alliance village next to shadowfang keep that turn into Worgen at night.
So 2 races absolutely fit the OG classic feeling. With 2 maybe races.
There is nothing wrong with Dungeon Finder. The issue is the teleporting to the instance and cross server grouping.
I want new and unique achievements added to Classic+
What we really need is a dedicated developer team. None of this “spread everyone as thin as possible” shit anymore, it’s had the largest impact, and most obvious, on sod
2005-2007 WoW is truly the game everyone fell in love with. 40 man raids. World pvp. Id like to see a whole new expansion that would replace the TBC and wrath expansions. A whole new timeline. With new expansions.
I just want a server with Vanilla, TBC and Wrath, IMO this is the real Classic.
I'd play that if they redid the scaling so that all of vanilla and tbc was still relevant in a wotlk world.
They did that already. We had Classic TBC and then Classic Wrath. And both times, almost everyone just came back to original Classic (just as many folks wanted to do back in the day but which Blizzard would never allow).
I don’t care what Blizzard does as long as they leave the original game (now called simply Classic) alone. They can release Season of Bananas if they wish, but I still want to just play Classic.
They have such a big opportunity with classic plus. So many player have been wanting this for so long. If done right this could be the biggest thing they have done in a long time. They have this one chance to make something insanely good wanted by so many players. I hope they do this right otherwise players will go back to private servers and not look back at blizz.
Why does everyone hate the dungeon finder!!! Me personally I think it makes the game actually more playable.
*Asks question*
*Nonstop nodding mode activated*
You're doing it wrong then. You will just end up with retail again.
Its a trick to keep them talking
Nodders
Top choices: 1 summoning stones 2 lfg system 3 shorter flight paths 4 can use mounts at earlier lvls 5 bigger sized bags!!!! (most important one!!) 6 more ways to get xp like world quests 7 larger character limits on servers! 8 higher herb drops rates/alchemy to have larger crafting proc amount for materials used, not 1 item made but 3 or more (for less farming needed to play) - all quality of life upgrades
For game play I'd add TBC to classic & shamans to alliance for sure! Because I like shammy's but hate horde.
Many retail players who've returned, leave era due to things I listed above.
I will come back if it's 1-60 vanilla with added content AFTER that.
Can we give Warlocks some Hit% with spell power a little earlier that Naxx? Maybe give us some Hit% in talent tree options lol.
Wish they sent the survey out to everyone. Feels like the larger pool you have of feedback, the more likely it’ll be what the majority of the players base wants.
@@seriouSamx it’s fake
Doesnt matter if it is a fake or not. Point is that blizz would send it only to actives subscribers, thus most likely current state suppprters and that way classic+ cant be what we need it to be
Agreed, never gotten any of these surveys ever, and i have played on and off since 2005
They sent it the tools that are gonna cry about and beg for all the shit that makes retail suck.
The game the majority enjoy is what they have now in retail. If you are asking the majority it's already dead in the water. This is a enthusiast product if anything
cant wait to see my character with more pixels...we can play classic style with actual graphic cards.
Some more flight paths for horde on alliance islend and quicker flights, why do they have to take so long.
Good god this, was questing in STV and Badlands as an Alliance for example and its such a pain that there is no flight paths in those zones (except for Booty Bay all the way south of the zone, its just easier to go through Duskwood but still…)
Vanilla is largely about the journey more than the destination. The current designers are almost entirely about the destination and not he journey. They just don't get it. Classic+ won't be Vanilla+. I hope I am wrong.
yay.
a team who barely can keep up with their current work wants to start another project that higher-ups will rush them on for the bottom line.
If classic plus comes out sooner than 2027 it'll be shit.
I pray they get rid of world buffs.
Or keep them, but make it 10% of eligible players get them, rather than 100%. That way you can get the buff and feel Uber, but very few raids will have to be balanced for everyone having the buff.
@@mitchellhatherleythat would just make more crying about logs and parsing and people raid logging if they got the buff and having multiple toons sitting fishing for buffs....
Just get rid of them. Terrible mechanic.
@@mitchellhatherleya better mechanic that would achieve the same desired result from world buffs: you zone in that week and get a "perfection buff" if you don't die then you do extra damage or Crit or whatever. If you die you lose it.
I played a ton of SoD P1, but haven't touched it since, if they do classic+, it'd have to be something amazing to catch my interest honestly...
I only played it because I really enjoy a fresh server and after a week I was done I didn't like how it was, And if they ever added the runes to classic plus I would never play It or flying f*** flying
Flying mounts did not just kill world PvP, it changed the way how you as a player approach mobs and find ways to reach your destination or target you must kill for quest...with flying mount you land right where you want, kill what you need and fly away. Suddenly it did not matter if there are patrolling mobs on the way or clusters of dangerous spellcasters you had to go through...I can imagine increasing ground speed of mounts via some raiding/dungeons/questlines/attunement/whatever.
I want more means of travel in form of visible development of infrastructure, like SW harbor, a new tunnel from IF to Menethil harbor, new outposts in strategic locations after you (or whole server) do some quests etc.
Why the heck was there no mention of transmog? Seriously one of the only two things really needed, that and dual spec. Well that and filling in all the non-playable map areas from Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms. But without all the nonsense of the Cataclysm.
I'm maining Huner in SoD and would much like if they increased ammo stack size In quivers and pouches. The whole ammo system is already -1 bag for hunters. You also have to travel to Alterac (bg or the area) to get good ammo. So it's a waste of time on top of consumables and world buffs.
Making ammo in quivers/pouches stack to at least 400 (2x) would be a great relief for us hunters.
Thats the classic experience. If you want the best stuff you gotta do some stuff to get it.
need a full party of similar leveled players for summoning stones to work
some extra flight paths in places where they made sense like malaka jin for horde stonetalon
GYs near the entrance to every dungeon
they literally did NOT confirm shit
bro they ASKED people to reflect why they are doing SoM. LOL
I feel like everyone should take off their old man blinders. They should add anything cool that doesn't break the classic pacing.
This should be the console version of WoW that draws in players born this century..
Speed up the flying by 50% and add in flight paths
17:29 - you say travel is an important aspect of classic but lets be real here.. Everyone just pays 5g up to 10g for a summon to travel around in classic these days which fuels a gold selling community and has compounding problems on the whole classic economy i.e. massive inflation on item prices, vast sums of gold among players, which further alienates a large proportion of the player base.
I never pay them 😂
Bro said “is classic plus coming, blink twice for yes” and they decided to blink twice
Finally! Confirmation that Josh Greenfield identifies as "he/him".
never would've guessed 🤣
They should make the whole experience instenced like a dungeon so we can enter the "realm" with our main characters, like a time walking of sorts.
Would need to have measures in place to combat botiting from day 1 , maybe lower the gold cap and or cap at how much you can post items for on the ah
I am with you on that. Few adjustments, no flying mount. Some quest and dungeons. Maybe finishing some crafting skill,
Add few more receipts like the red dragonscale armor (who have only one piece). Adjust maybe some reputation to get more items all along the progression.
Anyone that think Paladin Blessings need to last longer than 5 min never really understood the point of Paladin. The class is meant to be hybrid, the reason why they didn't have instant attacks and were more oriented on auto attacking improvements is part and parcel of them healing while they're auto attacking and to save mana for those instances. The Blessings are a split second decision, they last only 5 minutes because you could be dpsing with Blessing of Might, it wears off in 5 min then you notice your mana dropping you use Blessing of Wisdom to replace the waning BoM buff and swap to healing. Also players need to stop telling the paladin what buffs they should be giving out they're meant to last only 5 minutes and be situational. As a paladin healer you would usually leave a BoK or BoM on the tank but sometimes you have to save them with a BoP or a BoS (Blessing of Sacrifice) to take some of the hits for the tank.
It's actually part of teh Paladin DIFFERENCE with other classes like Druids and Priest that their buffs are meant to be short.
I think that a dungeon finder that stops at level 50 wouldn't be bad, it would help people at lower levels find fellow dungeoneers and help gain levels. After 50 you have to find groups yourself, maybe add old dungeoneers to your list and interact with them
They need to add some questing enhancement features, maybe make the gryphon master flights a little faster.
Guild bank would be ok, dual spec would be nice too
High elves (basically blood elves) on alliance would be interesting to see
No
Reworking professions to make them more interesting!
Imagine if Engineers could craft mechanical mounts, pets and various useful tools like a portable summoning stone.
Functioning summoning stone attunement. Once you’ve completed a dungeon, your party clicks on a device at end that enables the summon stone for all future runs.
I hope they add VoiceOver. I like the addon, it makes the leveling so much more interesting and immersive.
I like the idea of flying mounts, however what if you can only fly like for 2 minutes at a time with a hour flying cooldown?
Flightpaths give you a breather from the game, keeps you coming back
I want to see a new class that isn't a retail import. Personally I'd want a bard class. He could have a speed boost ability like Lucio from ow.
The only MMO that didn't fail with bards was EverQuest 1
@@venumus1 daoc too
@@FREEZarts don't remember bards in daoc but I also played paladin that had twisting like eq bard.
Bard? That sounds like the stupidest class I have ever heard lmao get out of here with that trash.
Ogres would be a cool addition to the horde
It has always struck me as dumb as hell that Ogres weren't one of the four Horde races. They should have been there from the start.
Been saying this for twenty years
There's a lot of talent set ups you can do especially with hybrid classes that make them very good at something. Lot of people don't know this but I had a blast discovering at least 12 different paladin builds good for something. People would find such joy in discovering new things. Make runes that facilitate for those talent choices. I even saw many warrior builds that facilitate for different things too.
No fucking runes in classic. Its not classic.
All we want is classic word, kara, azshara battlefield, tbc talents and spells and arena. Summ stones and a dungeon finder but witjout teleport, just a queue system. Only these things would already be awesome
u lost me at tbc talents and dungeon finder
I'm not sure what "We" you are talking about, but I only want about half those things.
Dude, where did you get your coffee cup, that is so cool! Love it. “For the Horde!”
As someone who is a returning player to wow (played vanilla, BC & Wrath) I started playing SoD in P4 and have loved it, the new rune addons are great. There is however one major point that almost stopped me playing, the 26 day ban on new subscriptions from trading to others or buying from the AH. With the 150% xp boost it's very easy to level fast.
This ment I was lv60 within 2 weeks of starting up again and having a lv60 who can't tip mages for portals, can't buy pots for raids of AH, can't buy materials of AH for leveling crafting, can't trade players loot if it accidentally gets distrubuted to you in a raid (you have the 2 hour window on stuff that can't be used). It's not a good experience at all!
The only way I got round this is having an IRL friend who got hundreds of gold worth of stuff for me off the AH that I paid him back after the 26 days.
My point is I understand the devs are trying to tackle bots but that should NOT come at the expense of a new subscribers experience of the game, surely there is a better way!
If that can be passed onto the devs I would appreciate it!
Maybe the end boss of dungeons have a 50% chance to drop an item (unique) that allows you to summon people from the stone outside. So if you don't have a warlock in your next dungeon group there is a good chance that someone will have a stone and you can summon the remaining 1-2 people. This will stop people selling/spamming summons and also keep warlock summons viable?
There is no value in having 4/5 members waiting at the dungeon for someone who was out leveling to travel 30 minutes to start the group. Dungeons can take enough time and people only have so much time so let us have the summoning stones. It was fantastic in SoM and there wasn't any problems.
Make a quest chain that brings mount speed higher by 20% or something, or add the teleport system like what was developed in gnomeragon
Would love to see ethereals in classic plus. They look awesome and are a big part of tbc anyway
Flying mounts, dungeon finder. Im gonna spam post them on accounts so they add it.😊, i dont care about the few people who dont want it, you're trolls anyways.
Yeeehawww
I was a server first vanilla raider and i couldn't be more skeptical about bottled nostalgia
Turtle wow already does all things mentioned, Best server ever
Wow Classic is the greatest game ever created. Hope they can just keep it and add like an island or something every other year.
Phase 1 SoD was fun but when i realized every phase was gonna have wild changes I knew it was not going to go well. Every spec should have gotten a few qol updates/changes. Like give ret crusader strike, prot pally a taunt, holy gets something that adds to their kit (idk what I have never done holy). Give Divine storm to all specs- for ret it does moderate aoe dmg-prot small aoe damage + threat- holy does moderate aoe healing within 5 yrds. With those small but much needed improvements you then focus on the world - finish quest lines, smaller pvp events, new bgs, new/updated 5m and raids.
I am all for group finder like you suggested, or dual speccing, or including add ons to assist with questing. But whatever is done, must only be accessed through the in-game world. Lfg board, put post boards up through out towns and cities. Local posts are free since you do them yourself. Remote lfg posts have a small negligible silver cost. Questing add-on? Allow players to hire npc non-combatant guides, and maybe allow them to carry items so their cost has the option to be offset. These types of improvements make the world feel alive. That’s the importance of switching classes at a trainer. It’s dumb in this specific case, but it does tie user action to the world.
Dont change a single thing about the classic. All they need to do is to make it look a bit more modern (better graphics) Thats really all i'm asking. And also ban bots for 14 life times. Ready to go.
Classic looks better than Retail for me
classic + needs retail graphics
Customizable hud is a start, but when you say that we don’t really need bartender I start to think you’ve never played a druid. If bartender didn’t exist I simply would not play. Druids absolutely need it to manage multiple forms, especially in retail but I use it in classic as well. Any other class i’d agree with you but as a druid main in all versions of WoW, I need bartender.
if were able to keep the transmogs we get with classic on retail then i'd be all for it
5:52 I would loove to see High Elves and Amani Trolls/Ogres added as new races in the classic +! It would be sooo dope to see their story unfold and also see them transitioned to retail too!
Why didn’t anyone ask the devs if that survey was real or not
Stay lvl 60 and play up to Ice crown grand final content and yes from BC flying^^
they shud have a seperate quest log for daylis, if you have a lot of long quest chains you are working on you really don't have room to do daily quests, at least in sod, there is like 16 quest for the waterlords ..
Please incorporate fewer server numbers that can hold bigger populations. I think the only way to replicate a somewhat classic re-release would be player encounters on opposite factions. Like the best memory I have in life is getting almost ganked in world PVP but managing to win the battle. Look you're not looking at 9 million players ever again. The need for a large number of servers, is out of the question. You would have to somehow manage to stabilize the most players across a few servers to get near it. Just have less servers to pick from that can hold more players than previous servers could hold.
I agree on all points my man. Great content, thanks!
But they really should just finish everything they intended on putting in the original classic also! Just finish the original and go from there!
I would say add minigames that involve the main game. I liked the darkmoon faire games that got you points that you can save up to get nice rewards for instance and the card collection to get the trinkets is cool.
if there is no RDF and no Dual spec, i will not bother. I am currently playing on a pserver that is doing vanilla/tbc both with RDF and it is awesome. I won't allow blizz to unnecessarily waste my time by holding back these known features.
Listening to this while playing Turtle WoW ;)
Flying mounts, collections, quest guidance. All that is garbage that will harm the vanilla experience. Any changes must be in the spirit of vanilla
Rather than adding new drops to old content for "off-meta" specs... I would rather them to just add new dungeons and raids with items that work for the "off-meta" specs.
Like instead of going to molton core for your tier 1 if you are a protection paladin, you instead go and raid timbermaw hold. Which would also have like tier 1 moonkin gear, ect.
Ask them who ordered not being able to track damage and healing numbers in BGs for entire year.
SoD devs are clowns.
I'd want it to evolve into an alternate timeline due to the machinations of the Infinite Flight and/or Old Gods, like with Caverns of Time/War of the Ancients.
Different timelines would be interesting. Imagine quel'thelas as an undead raid/dungeon like stratholme
Dungeon summoning stones
@hammerdance yeah , classic + has been out for 6 years now :D and its called Turtle wow :)
"New Player Experience - Providing an easy on-boarding experience for new players." --- Absolutely NOT! Leave in the difficulty! Vanilla was awesome the way it was. Making it easy killed the game. Making it faster killed the game. That difficulty needs to be carried over into any "Classic +". No flying. No revamped talents, professions, currencies, etc. Keep it simple! The whole "Warcraft" story is done! Time for a new direction, a new story right here on Azeroth! You don't even need new minerals or herbs, but find ways to enhance current crafts similar to enchanting but as a permanent addition to the gear items while still allowing further enchants...and you learn these new crafts in new lands. No more leveling!!! 60 is high enough...let the talents, abilities, food, professions, and gear grow. Make new players level up the OLD fashion way! No pet battles! Guild bank -Yes, and please make it larger than the retail version. Collections - Yes, mounts only. New class features/combos...absolutely not. They need to create the new story with added difficulty. That should be their biggest task. THEN provide us with the tools we can find along the way to complete the milestones and challenges. Do not bring back "Burning Legion" or ANY old content garbage! Let some of the NPCs grow up, add more story to existing NPCs, grow the world.
No flying mounts no silly pets Guild bank yes Better world Quests yes
Id like to be able to make my armir and weapons look different. Once you get into 60 raids, everyone starts looking the same with min maxing.
Definitely add a guild bank, dual spec, LFG, maybe one extra race but still against it with how they scramble everyone for the sake of “balance”, TBC PvP honor system, No attunement quests!
11:40
Gnome Druid would be fun, a small bear tanking raid Bosses.
What people didn’t realize is SOD was just a testing ground for what classic + is gonna be so when i see negative comments saying it “sucked” is understandable but you would be an idiot to not realize that blizzard killed 2 birds with one stone…we were just apart in one big beta and most realized it, some of the pictures we seen in the reveal I believe were for classic+, there is a reason they kept throwing things to the wall and tweaking on the daily…and its to make sure classic + works, they are alot smarter than I thought but wasnt it strange how fast sod got released??? The n end goal was classic+ all a long and now it made sense we were apart of a roller coaster ride in SOD
I think people realized that
I don't understand why some hate it. My server is a blast. The gaming community in general has become so bitter and entitled. High maintenance chodes.
When classic + becomes a reality. I will play it day 1 and forever
do this and you will start to reclaim wows former glory: bring back the sense of community level 25 guilds that take time to actually get to level 25 and the perks to go with it such as mass summoning. pvp and pve realms. on pvp realms you cant play both sides on the server, pick a side and play it!. keep realm pops on pvp servers within 20% of each other no worse than 60/40. bring back weekly battle like tol barad and baridens hold(everyone wanted to do this on tuesday it was looked forward to by EVERYONE) implement t-mogs to classic: imo this was the single BEST thing done to retail since ive played it. the forementioned would be a good place to start...
Faster FP speeds unlocked with a quest chain with the wildhammers.
why are classic people opposed to a dungeon finder? i never understood this