Why Have So Many People Quit Classic WoW? | StaySafe Reacts
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SoD became retail minus instead of classic plus
It wasnt never supposed to be Classic+
Never supposed to be classic+. Its a general consensus as being a beta test for classic+.
Its also been amazing with all the different changes they added to sod.
It's not even close to retail you clown. Stop repeating things mindlessly. Go play retail, it's wildly even more different. If anything it was classic-
@@powercheif That's funny because even at BlizzCon when they announced SoD they said it was going to be "Classic ... plus a little bit extra," only after people stopped playing they themselves started to say "don't worry guys it's just a testing ground." I don't buy it.
@@ANTERIORcs they didnt just start saying it was a testing ground, theyve been talking about that since 2023
Classic died when my wife reminded me I had kids.
thats about to be my fate in another month
then dont make them. easy solution
@@AbandonedMonolithcongratulations 🎉
You can do both! Time management
Rl happens.
With a job and kids its not easy to keep playing classic WoW month after month. Playing the game excessively takes away from time with the family and also prevents me from getting my typical physical activity. Its just not healthy for me to be playing this game phase after phase and I am sure there are plenty of people in the same boat as me...
Same. I know it Sounds lame but it feels Like a choice between WoW and my previous lifestile (Sport 3 times a week)
I have a wife and 2 Kids and of course a full time job
The real problem with SoD is the frenetic and insane pace that the community feels it has to push itself towards. Guilds that say oh real life comes first but then they're already posting signup sheets for Molten Core on week 2. The only way you can possibly get a character to level cap and have all your pre-raid BiS ready, is if you are spending basically most of your life on the game. And by that, I mean you don't go to school and you don't have a full-time job.
It is shocking to me in a way, just how many people fit this description. As if it's somehow become the new norm to be jobless, not have a family to support and play SoD all day and night.
@d0k0night sounds like you're putting pressure on yourself, MC is super easy you can clear it in greens.
@@claytongiampaolo7848 i agree with you 100% but that wasnt what he meant, you can clear MC in greens yes but noone will take you into MC since the Community is so scared of bad player since gear makes you a great player right XD not knowing your rotation and positioning degens only see parse and do gear check
If you were playing the game at any point at all how was that any different?
It's okay to just admit that the game they made isn't good. But to say the game is not casual enough is insane. This is the most casual they've ever made the game. You can play almost completely solo unless you want to do group content, and if you want to do group content then there's always going to be limitations to that. You're not, not playing the game because it's taking the only time you nave to do physical activity. You just don't want to play the game because it's not great, which is perfectly fine, but they need to know that if you're going to give them feedback.
We want TBC Classic back !!!
Play private server then nub
@@aidasmatulaitis5175 Already did last year. Had a ton of fun with it. I'm ready for a live Blizzard TBC server again. Not because I trust in Blizzard's competency ever, but because it's what will bring a larger player base back to the TBC experience (something private servers just can't ever truly compare to), and I loved first go-around with TBC when the server was jam-packed.
You are in the minority, it seems.
@@AkiRa22084 Literally more people wanting TBC then War Within
@@jakecarroll5 lol, very funny.
STAYSAFE: omg they werent talking about it like this
( yes they were ), its dying
( its seasonal )
I dont know how many times you have to repeat the fact that its SEASONAL i quit sod when p2 dropped. Everyone knows sod is a test for classic + thats why they took in community feedback.
And for them to potentially leak a survey for classic + on the tail end of sod and people take that as bad is insane
yep lol... they said from the start that this would give them the opportunity to test out some ideas and features since it was seasonal. Staysafe just cant control his bias when hes talking about SOD
I stopped start of phase 3. Incursions really ruined it for me
Same i switched to cata a week or two before it dropped, then i found no mans sky and havent logged on for a week
Raid gatekeeping ruined it for me
@BobbyFlay14 why did leveling with Incursions ruin it for you. Say if SoD released with evey5hing up until MC. How would fast leveling from 40-50 ruin the whole experience
@@ItztoobadthatI mainly a me thing. When I got on everyone had made a shit load of gold and it was patched. And I really struggled for gold in first phases. I was still behind on runes cuz of gold sinks. Plus the incursions were laggy and I just gave up at that point. I really enjoyed p1 and 2 tho
@BobbyFlay14 I only ask because I've been theorizing that if they just released it as a full product instead of in phases it may have been received much better. But it's a big IF lol
Literally as soon as TBC classic was announced we all knew and said that wrath was the end of classic. The fact they did not listen and still did Cata is insane to me.
I left at the end of WOTLK because I knew Blizzard wouldn't listen. Classic should have stayed at WOTLK. If they made a Classic+, I'd still like to see up to Northrend added, but re-worked for a Vanilla style experience. I'd also remove the mount at 20 and massively lower quest rewards etc.
@@MrHowardMoon I totally agree with this. They should have done permanent Wrath servers you could copy over to like they did classic. I hate that all my hard work from Classic through wrath is tainted with Cata now. I am interested in classic plus but also they should just run the trilogy back again in the next year or so. I would love to go through classic through wrath again with different classes.
@@mongoosegang Be quiet, smooth brain.
@@mongoosegang Be quiet, smooth brain.
@@mongoosegang NAw i agree with you completely. Vanilla TBC And Cata all have a place.
wotlk has the jank of tbc and vanilla with the spergy adhd gameplay of retail. Worst of both worlds, good class design tho
also raids are just mid as hell other than ulduar and icc. Unfortunately they decided having naxx and toc would be smart tho.
forgot to mentiopn but also worst heroics in wow history are in wotlk
How many of those not playing WoW is actually Turtle WoW
I quit in phase two and start in turtle still play there
not many
Turtle does have the larger player base
DIdnt they market SOD as a "Experimental" season from the start?... like we always knew it was going to be experimental esp when they've said IN THE PAST that they wouldn't be nerfing/balancing because they wanted to see how it would go.
Sorry but has anyone ever thought that Season of Discovery wasn't experimental ?
I’m still playing SOD and I don’t really think it’s dead. It may not be close to where it was at the start but that’s literally how every start to any MMO is. Zones are still full, dungeons can be run, raids can be performed (even earlier new raids), and the AH is stocked. I’m on a medium server and not even the high pop servers. It’s 100% not dead. I like your content but it’s exaggerating to keep implying or stating that it’s emptied out. There have been some dumb decisions for sure, I agree there.
My guild has multiple raid teams doing world bosses, onyxia, and molten core. We are also running dungeons on a consistent basis thanks to the Real currency added. Its made running dungeons more fun and we get to be rewarded regardless of drops.
I’ve been playing SoD and maybe it’s just the server. But I swear there at least half a dozen runs being organized for every endgame dungeon at normal game times. And at least 1 run being formed for every low level dungeon. Last night at about 11:30pm, I decided to run scholo as a dps. I was flying from iron forge to the eastern plague lands and was able to form my own grp before landing. It’s super ez.
Yeah he's really on one trying to push his agenda
they said in the beginning its experimental
Yeah, I agree with his general sentiment, but I don't know where he got this notion that the devs just said this recently when they said it from the get-go.
The people who say they want hard classic content are the vocal minority. The average gamer dad who likes classic is not on the forums. This is what Blizzard doesn't seem to understand
I quit playing to because I realized the magic of the game is not mechanics or gameplay, but the people we played with. It's not the same without that old crew from 2004-2007. I played with my cousin, my uncle (who bought me the game when I was 14) and his friends from work, who became my RL friends.
Like the Island from LOST, it's got to have the original cast or it wont work.
I’m just one player, but I wanted more content in the spirit of Classic WoW, not modifications of raids and dungeons I’ve already done 100’s of times. Some of the decisions SoD developers made just made no sense to me. They picked the least popular dungeons in the game and turned them into raids yet did nothing to address the aspects that made those dungeons unpopular in the first place. They gave existing classes “new” abilities that were really just later expansion abilities from retail. I expected new quests, new zones, new dungeons and new raids developed with the same philosophy as baseline Classic WoW. Sod was just overall disappointing. Not awful,but it definitely missed the mark.
I was hungry for classic plus. We got sod and I went all in. Honestly if they drop a real classic plus now I want play it. They missed the opportunity when they dropped sod.
What is it with these people constantly saying 'No Changes' while in the same breath demanding changes?
I don't think people want harder content, they just want un-nerfed content.
12 percent playing Vanilla = "people want Vanilla"
Yeah, no...
You underestimate Blizzard's warped reality. I think Blizzard will double down on SoD and not slow down dev production at all, no matter how much the population numbers drop off. THAT is how out of touch they are with us!
Love,
Zeek
Even if there are classic players that want hard raids, I'm not sure how "level up raids" that are meant to offer an alternative to questing needs to be hard... Chances are, if ppl can fully level to 60, most ppl will have crap gear as they go through this content anyway, making it harder. The only reason ppl had crazy gear for these "level up" raids is because of how phases work.
Why don’t they ASK us what we would want out of Classic+ instead of telling us a dozen ideas they came up with as non-players?
Classic era is perfect for me, so just give it modern graphics/world and xmog. Something like that and it’s a completely polished game.
7:00 there are a lot more Classic Era players that want the game harder and slower to level than you are saying. We've had the "power leveling social experiment" that Classic Era was and it was a success, but was it true to Vanilla WoW? No. Vanilla WoW was a GRIND for all classes and much more so for specific ones. The dungeons all the way through posed a challenge unless you were over leveled or very well geared or an exceptionally good group talent wise.
Many, many players would love fresh Classic Era without layering, and tweaked for higher difficulty all the way through with increased experience required to level, maybe 50% more per level than their current nerfed pre patch 1.12 state. The way to make an MMORPG more social is to make it very grindy and thus group reliant to power level. Power leveling was literally only happening back in 2005 if you were in a group of two at minimum. Most people leveled at a snails pace. How does this impact the social aspect of the game? It condenses the player base into a much smaller level range, how is that important? Because the game is more fun when you can take a break for some RL stuff and not have to come back to see the friends you made leveling are now 5-8 levels higher than you and show no signs of slowing down.
Drop rates for gear also need a major nerf. WoW Classic has a retail mindset when it comes to gearing up, everything is automatic, little effort required, no one has a hard time getting the gear they want. That is NOT Vanilla. In Vanilla it took players a LONG TIME to get certain drops, if they didn't just give up. I'm talking months and months for trying to get certain Pre Raid BiS gear. When this happens it helps to form bonds between players as you are more likely to talk to other players about how long you've been trying to get a certain item. I can't count the amount of times I had players telling me this is their 30th attempt or even 50th attempt or more to get a certain item. I seen people trying for Ironfoe for the 100th time back in 2005. Is that happening now? No. People are getting their gear like they are on retail.
Fix the game Blizzard.
Speak for yourself, if I want a shitty grindfest I'll go play Runescape or one of the Korean MMOs. Vanilla's drop rates and exp rates are fine.
The problem is entirely mages being overpowered and being able to aoe farm dungeons. Just add an aoe damage cap and make dungeons a weekly reset like a raid and magically the problems will go away.
Hot take: Games without LFD and gatekeeping raids, will never get a big playerbase.
The golden years are dead, we have to wake up and see its just dead, "most" people dont like to make friends
We went from half a million, level 25 raiders in P1, down to 40k, level 60 raiders in P4.
The biggest issue would be the time requirement for being a part of a raid program. And the pressure it would place on an older gamer's real life and time priorities.
raiding is easier than ever before.
you don't even need FR to clear MC now unless you're going for the more challenging difficulties.
there is 0 wiggleroom for you filthy casuals left to complain.
put in the very minimal amount of time the game demands of you, or quit.
there is no more juice to squeeze out of this lemon dude.
maybe go try mobile gaming.
seems to be more up your alley.
@@ZugzugZugzugson I don't own a cell lol mobile gaming lol
I play wow. Retail since before retail was retail.
Now I game 6 to 12 hours a day running the only guild on the deadworld Lash NA in SoD.
Been forever subbed with two accounts the whole time since og Wrath.
I may be filthy.... but what's your definition of casual hahaha
I love how complete strangers think they know other complete strangers on the dead internets.
Always a fucking hoot 🙃
@@AmongRevenants "The biggest issue would be the time requirement for being a part of a raid program. And the pressure it would place on an older gamer's real life and time priorities."
This part right here. This is how i know.
@@ZugzugZugzugson Like it or not a lot of older folks who played wow without limit while younger... no play SoD with time constraints. It isn't rocket science to figure that out.
My case it's the opposite. I worked 12 hour shifts as a kid and had serious time limts on how much I gamed.
Now I'm retired and decided to commit to a season of wow. With all the time in the world now :)
But running a guild, and wrangling a raid program for our realm the Lash. Those I game with are the ones with families and time limits.
I stand by the river, untethered, watching those flow by, slaves to the current.🙃
@@ZugzugZugzugson I love it when random nobodies believe themselves experts on other random nobodies. All via a comment on a backwater YT message board.
Goddes I love this fuckin dead internet of ours where everybody is genius of everything. The great equalizer of stupidity.
Classic is about comfort, not difficulty. What you want is more of relaxing rhythm game where people can joke around and troll a bit while having drinks. The changes they made were very much more in line with retail than classic for SoD- I tapped out very quickly. I'd be looking more at TBC than anything else for keeping class changes from getting out of hand. Would also love a revamp of the crafting, it's so bad and the only time it was ok was TBC.
Honestly the parsing is what killed it for me
Parsing gnomer was the biggest gatekeep on week 1 of p2
There was never a reality where classic continued to be successful after WotLK without Classic + in a much more substantial way
Aggrend has been talking about the lessons he'll be taking forward to future seasons since April on his twitter, he's mentioned it at least 3 times in total before this most recent round of interviews. This is NOT new language from them by any means.
Doesn't look like they were ever focused on content and quality. They do the bare minimum.
Agreed, which was obvious when tokens and boosts came about, much to the dismay of the entire classic community.
so 40% of people were there for Wrath?. I know the poll wasn't asking that , but I think there is something to talk about there
Can we get a classic fresh, polished and slightly harder. That’s it that’s all, and deal with the bots holy hell blizzard it’s not complicated. I played the original wow in 2006 and it was a lot harder then that luke warm piss garbage they gave us, we got post nerf wow not pre nerf.
I'm actually enjoying phase 4. It's the best phase since phase 1. They just took too long from phase 3, but that was part cataclysm because they wanted to make money from wow tokens and level boost. Sod doesn't have any of that, so its not their priority.
"i don't have the time"
then quit.
honestly, there is no more wiggleroom left here.
you got your 300% exp/gold buff while leveling, and on top of that there is the sleeping bag and student fodder.
you got your easy dailies, welfare epics (an entire set for each spec available to your class and even high tier weapons) and fast honor grind.
you got your ultra casual raid which requires exactly 0 fire resistance and is reduced from 40 to 20 man size.
you even got MC materials PURCHASABLE on a god damn vendor that you can get without ever stepping a foot in the raid, which is just outrageous in and of itself.
the game has never been more friendly to casual andy dad gamers with "lives" to live.
how much longer will it take for you people to realize that the problem lies not with the game, but with YOU?
I played a lot in phases 1-3, but quit after phase 4 was initially pushed back. Phase 3 had such a drop off because incursions ruined the classic feel of the game, the raid was abysmally too hard (pugs literally couldn't clear it), and the raid loot was horrific. The raid loot being miserable made the raid being overtuned for casuals even worse. As you got better loot you didn't really do anything that much better. Then after being clean from wow for 6 weeks, I'm not coming back. I'll try again for classic plus or SoD season 2, but I'm out for now.
I dont even care about classic + anymore. SoD has showed me that no matter how you do it, Anything that isn't no changes vanilla will just end up as retail lite and class balancing will always be f*cked
Blizzard doesn't know how and won't be convinced to do it properly. We have to take our enjoyment of vanilla into our own hands and enjoy the blessing that it is.
They added the wow tokens and mythic dungeons to wrath. Not sure what you guys are expecting from a classic+ lol. Classic+ to them means Heroic Leap, multiple charges on movement spells, wow token, LFG, LFR, and transmog. There's no point in even asking for classic+.
You touched on this briefly. They literally are not capable of creating it even if they had a burning passion to make it. They're retail devs.
100% right. They are retail devs
With respect. No. you're wrong. Season of Discovery was only ever meant to be a temp thing. They said this at Blizzcon.
As a pvp player that has zero interest in pve, phase 4 sod is feeling amazing, feels like the perfect mixture of wotlk & classic. Although a new battleground wouldn’t hurt 🙂
Found the hunter/shaman main :p
If they called it experimental from the beginning, not as many players would try it out. With the server being seasonal its obviously an experiment, they dont have to explicitly say that.
I also believe they go a few steps to far with stuff to get reactions from the players and then they will know how many steps to pull back on stuff for their official take on classic+
I started end of P3, quit P4 because as a warrior, I couldn't find a group that didn't have the items I needed on HR. I'd whisper 20 different forming groups, and get no invites. Tried making my own groups but finding a tank and healer could take anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour. Pre-bis items like Lionheart costs tons of gold in addition to consumables, enchants, T0.5 questline. Because I was on an artificial and arbitrary timer until raids dropped, I didn't have time to farm gold while also farming all the other things. It just became a full-time job to acquire gear that would likely be replaced a few weeks into raiding.
I think if you're in a guild already, or have friends that are playing, it's probably a LOT easier to deal with the grouping issues, and the gold shortage was only because I started late, I think if you have been on SoD since P1 you probably have enough gold to afford all these things. Then again streamers I watched were just trading Cata or retail gold for SoD gold.
I don't actually know who's more to blame for the massive rush to pre-bis, is it Blizzard's fault for setting a short timeline? Is it the community's fault for expecting perfection and absolutely min-maxing everything? I don't even mind min-maxing generally, I did it in Classic 2019 and still had fun, but I wasn't being gatekept out of groups back then because I played Shaman, and Shaman has WF. I did it in Cata as well. But it was some combination of all of that plus Deviate Delight starting up, 13/13 Cata Heroic raiding, MoP remix, preparing for TWW in retail, Elden Ring DLC, and having to level up and gear in SoD P4 (only to just stand around waiting for a group that doesn't already have a warrior or rogue HRing items) that just burned me out. I hope timelines like this change in the future, I'd rather have content drought than whatever the hell SoD p4 ended up being.
You have to tank and do your own dungeons every warrior should know and be able to tank in a pinch.
@@alexanderb1433 Yeah so I tried that, and I can tank just fine but I don't find it fun. If I'm not having fun I have a harder time justifying playing the game.
So I just became less and less interested and stopped playing.
Sure there are things I could have done differently, but that was my experience, for whatever it's worth
In hindsight I should've just played a different class, but I just picked what I thought would be fun
I wish they would change the names. WOW Classic SOD may be dead but Classic Era is doing just fine. No problems getting groups. Heart and Head drops at the same time every single night for years.
When I came back from Japan in 2023 I could no longer afford to play Wow. The economy is kicking me in the nutsack.
Phase 2-3 PvP was so imbalanced I was having 0 fun trying to cleanse flame shock. Im having a hard time getting back to SoD
I just got back for phase 4 and been having a blast in molten core! Not sure how it is in PvP tho....
@@pepelaugh3993 I've done MC like 500 times. I'm good.
Right MC again? It was fun in 2004 and not since then.
Phase 4 is just the same. Also who the fuck wants to clear MC again with the only change being "put this gear on otherwise get one shot" lmao
Sod phase 4 has been great so far. A lot of it has to do with who you are playing with though I guess. My guild and I just chill in discord drink beers and shoot spells while shootin the shit. It’s been a great time.
For a hardcore vanilla andy, the most resemblance of Vanilla, a re experience if you will was Nostalrius and to a slightly lesser extent Hardcore Classic. Because cheating at the game was not allowed on Nostalrius and the devs took it really seriously like Blizzard did back in the day in the 2005-2008 era. I played back then and I can tell you from experience, if you cheated at the game back then you would get a warning, and then a permanent ban. There was no "mommy mommy please let me play", nope, they did not want cheating in their games beacuse they know it ruins the experience. People would get perma banned for making anti-afk scripts in AV during TBC. I was there and I remember it. People would sit in the cave and collect honor and have autohotkey script running that would press a few keys to make your character jump or whatever so you would not get afked out. They would give you a warning and if you did it again you were done.
Nostalrius had a similar approach because they wanted to mimic the experience of Vanilla wow and they had the enthiusiasm and resources to do that and there was no gold selling. Knowing that there is no cheating at the game allows for more immersive game play. Knowing that someone is not going to be able to pay a chinse gold farmer 20 bucks for gold that took you an entire day to grind allows you to take the game more seriously and immerse your self.
For me they would have to solve 2 things for me to return to Vanilla wow. 1) Cheating must have no place in the game and 2) Premade bg's must have no place in the game.
I would say premades can exist, but they should only be limited to fighting other premades.
"That's not fair, one faction could be stuck in que for hours" well, too fucking bad.
@@gamerdude999 Agreed. If a 10 man premade has to wait 30 minutes to play, that's too fucking bad. It's time the fun is with the majority not the minority and most people want to play when it behoovs them and that is a most of the time alone or with one or two friends. However I think a 3 man premade would have too much impact on the game still and I would want to have 3 man premade must only be paired with a opposing team who also has a 3 man premade. Even 2 good players could heavily impact the way a game swings in a 10 man BG like Warsong Gulch.
Classic is just a stagnant game. Its a 5-year old relaunch of a 20 year old game with no new content. Most people have just played through it all many times and moved on. Its not fun playing through the same quests and dungeons for the 100th time. If they dont do Classic+, and do it right, Classic WoW is finished. Was fun while it lasted though!
Hard content just means you get bored af after you finish prog the first time…and sweats can’t do as many fun things like parse/speedrun
People are gonna throw hate towards me… I quit because people started treating it like retail.
im not sure another classic release is the answer and i love classic. if im gonna play classic why not just play on the tunes i already have.
why cant blizzard just run Vanilla TBC and Wrath on a 5 year cycle? 20 months per expac.I would love to jump into vanilla again with the entire classic playing community.
I quit classic all together. Took a 7 month break. Just started dragonflight TWWI patch. Loving it. Just don’t have time for hardcore large time syncs anymore
Blizzard screwed up again, as they always do...
They could easily do a Heroic or Mythic mode for raids in a Classic+ and even create 10 and 20 man modes. That way, if the sweaty GDKP gang want to do something harder, they can, and the casual player can go do a normal run with his/her guild.
When i say i want "HARD content" i mean bosses have loads of HP and not that many mechanics... When bosses have alot HP, content gets harder right there because you lack mana regen and stuff like that in classic, so its important to manage your mana and so forth.
I'll never bother investing any substantial amount of time back into classic wow unless blizzard does something about GDKP's. They ruin the game.
Personally I'm sick of seasonal servers. I want something that can be a long term home. But the other issue is, when classic launched in 2019 I no lifed the shit out of it. I minmaxed and 100% completed the game and kicked all of my goals. The urge to play it again is less than it was before, and when I think about todays min max culture that kills it for me even more.
It's time to play hardcore. Take it slow. Back to basics
Garbage Devs 100%... They manage to screw everything up consistently. I can't think of one thing that was executed properly in the last few years.
Bro they been hinting at it being a test for classic plus since blizzard con. Dude literally said classic plus at blizzcon... just because he didn't say hey this is a test for classic plus. They were managing expectations because like they said they've been trying to legitimate themselves as a team. Idk I get gizzard, has gaped us for so long but it seems like they're trying at this point and taking chances with ALOT like people have been crying for them to do for so long lol
Asking a Classic Andy to listen and understand nuance is a challenge in of itself
Classic andies arent of the smart kind.
When nightmare incursions came out I swore I won't give a penny to Blizzard no more
It is just summer. When the cold weathes comes back, WoW comes back too.
Been enjoying playing classic Doom for a while now and currently have no intention in playing classic wow since the entire community is spitting all over the place. Blizzard needs to change their mentality and approach towards classic wow if they don't want it dead. Until then, I don't see myself coming back.
Classic is just Theseus' paradox reborn.
Version after version they made adjustments to the game to make it easier, ruining the immersion.
Theres nothing that can replace the feeling of walking around in a whole new world, in your favorite fantasy universe...
We enjoy turtle wow now :)
It got shut down last week
@@andrew2616 The YT channel got shut down. Not the website. It is still up, I assume server is also still up.
@@TwistedSMF on their website they had a post saying the servers got hacked and shut down last week. Not sure if they are up anymore
Cata isnt classic...that sounds soooo wrong to hear and read that
Yeah, when I think "Classic" I think the vanilla game, but I can understand TBC and Wrath being lumped in at least. Cata destroyed the whole world and doubled down on the changes Wrath experimented with, I don't know how Cata could be considered classic. I can't help but wonder if it's people who missed peak WoW and started in Cata or beyond saying that, because it would be classic _for them._
SO MANY great games have come out recently...
6:40
no i want it like in the lockdowns
i want to hear my 6 extroverted guildmates in discord taking the game way to serious while we raid all the content and have my good laugh.
i want to hear my drunk raid leader scream respect my authority in a zg raid.
i want to get invited to a random ony, aq20, zg raid or scarab quest part completion the moment i log on by my guild master and ask him "whats happening?" and getting a half assed answer like "we re raiding ony" or "STOP FARMING AND RAID MC WITH US".
I want to spam the one cook in the guild, the one alchy in the guild, the one enchanter in the guild.
I want to have to deal with the one middle aged man with a whiskey and smokes voice who rps as a female human warrior named lilly. And starts every story about what he did with "the tiny red haired cuty Lilly...."
I want to be the braindead warrior who just knows the rotation but is the hero but relies on all the other guildmates for everything.
I want to get called out by the raid lead because i logged on just 2mins before raid start and the raid lead have a sigh of reliefe.
I want loot drama.
I want to log on and know, okay i go and farm sandwormmeat for 40mins and it s good invested time in the game.
I want my guildmates to ask me to go with them to a dungeon because the healer knows that i will protect her/him with my life altough im there as a dps.
I want to be able to pop deathwish and recklesness when i see that the healer got aggro and burn down the pack in stratholme.
Just let me be a hero that needs like realy need other heros to be a hero.
I WANT TO BE DEPENDENT ON OTHER PEOPLE AND OTHER PEOPLE TO BE DEPENDET ON ME
I've played Classic when it came out, played TBC Classic & even played quite a bit of Wrath of the Lich King, loved Ulduar especially (as I never got to play it to it's full extend back in the day). I am not interested in Cata nor in Era. I've tried Season of Discovery each phase doing the raids with a fun team but mid/end phase 3 all interest was simply lost. I've played maybe 10 hours since phase 4 came out. I might try it in the future, however it feels a lot less of a hype/lively compared to the start of Season of Discovery. Although it might be idle hope, we can only hope it will be done with the interest of the players and not simply a bad ripoff from SoD to make a Classic plus WoW.
Laying off those 1900 people from Blizzard in January, turned this game into slop.
People are fickle. Sometimes life gets in the way also.
Time is a flat circle and I’ll play vanilla over and over again
There should of been a 5th answer for those player private servers
I think with the talk of classic fresh and classic plus people don’t want to invest time into characters that will be meaningless soon.
Yeah I don't care about getting interviews gotta keep it real man
there is one thing i am 100% sure about and it is the classic wow community not being happy with any form of classic plus out there. if they would be, they would be playing turtle wow. but those servers are dead as well.
classic players just want new servers to relax to the same old game, which is fine. i want that too
pretty sure turtle wow has like 8-10k players on there main pve server
@@danyyy_8733 you're taking crazy pills buddy. the tel abim server had between 500 and 700 active players before it got hacked, which is dead dead.
They arnt streamers milking classic content for views casuals can only go so far in classic wow aside from hitting 60 then doing the end game dungeons thats it for casuals.As far as pvp goes as soon as people start raiding bwl the pvp gear is outdated.
classic wow is not a long term solution for casual gamers when classic wow becomes a raid log game at 60 its dead.
Private vanilla servers. Blizzard could not even manage to not touch Era
numbers will tank even more when retail expansion launches
I don't wanna spend time and get invested in a gamemode that is temporary. I'm waiting for real classic plus because SoD was just a beta test
While true, the moments ive had and continue to experience with my guild has been great in sod.
I just realized while watching this and grinding a druid in searing gorge SOD (I hate that event), that I will probably never play classic wow again. I would be interested in classic +, but I don't think blizzard will actually do it right. I lost faith after phase 2 SOD. I am hoping though, just do it right, it's simple. Classic + = Classic wow with additional content and nothing more. Don't go making mages heal and rogues tank. If you want to do anything, just fix boomkin and SP mana issues and stuff like that, but no changing archetypes. New Lore, new stories, new conflicts. SOD ended up a low IQ version of retail and honestly, nobody wants that. Retail is way better at difficult content than classic ever should be, you play classic for the vibes and the RPG flavor.
Most people didnt want cata in the first place What they should have done is ended in wrath, end season in a few weeks and relaunch vanilla the day of the 20th anniversary. CA-CHING! Money for Blizzard. Do make 1 little change though. From SOD there was one thing I thought was excellent, faction gatekeeping. That kept open pvp fair and it was great .
I enjoy classic. I love the levelling process but i wont raid because i want it harder. So i split between retail and hardcore classic
“People want Vanilla”
If that were true, Classic Era wouldn’t be the least popular version of the game, statistically.
There's only so many times you can do the same content, people want new content but in the style of vanilla
@@Safsal We have Season of Discovery for that, from the way the devs have been talking, it sounds like they are working on new max level content.
Thank you for saying this. Even SoD is more popular than Classic Era.
I definitely don't want vanilla classes. SoD classes though extreme are much better. Dial back SoD class changes for next season
Ist beeing played by Retail and WOTLK players
Agreed, if the players wanted challenging content they would be playing retail or another game entirely.
I just want classic era and retail. No BS in between
I would prefer vanilla fresh with some changes over playjng vanilla fresh again to be completely honest.
SOD was a breath of fresh air. SOD was the beta of Classic Plus. It gave them an excuse for any fuckups for a Classic Plus. It gave them an out, if you will. "Oh, this failed? Oh well."
WOW started hitting the shitbed around WOD. We were so on that "WOW drug" or Copium That we just looked over it. If you get down to it... One could say it started going downhill with LK. But the game was pretty decent, so we just turned a blind eye to it.
By BFA...We are older now. We are not kids anymore. Time is precious. So we started getting very pissed off. Shadowlands hits, and then we finally go, "Ok, Fuck this shit. I am done."
The only fanbase WOW has now are the people like Staysafe, Esfand, and others who remember how times were and hope we get them back. (And anyone who may read this comment.)
The only problem I currently think is this:
I almost think, at times, Blizzard fucks up this game on purpose. Weening us off of this like a drug and making us not want to play anymore. And they cancel the game entirely. The devs should hire people who have private servers. As toxic as that environment is, They know the game better than the game developers... LOL
SoD has always been a classic + testing bed. When asked about classic plus early only blizzard said SoD was kind of a classic+.
Is there apart from the fact that people WANT it, people even know how it should look like?
With that many oppinions its gonna be a shiteshow. Even if they turn themself insideout its gonna be people dismayed over that it doesent look like exactly like they dreamt about.
Stay safes take on SoD was never an experimental testing ground is completly false Agreend said in the Phase 2 Teaser that SoD is super Experimental
honestly after hearing the horrible bosses in charge of the xbox division at microsoft and the cuts to the blizzard staff; especially the Q&A. I just quite due to realizing that the heads of microsoft gaming department don't know what they are doing anymore. not sure if I come back to retail wow due to this issue.
whos screaming for no changes vanilla?
sure i see alot of "sod went to far with class changes" but i dont hardly ever see anyone screaming for no changes 2019 vanilla
Seasonal servers suck. Especially when I have to buy gold to be semi competitive. Vanilla is nice cause it all feels so permanent. Time gating leveling is lame as well.
dude ran a 10k poeple poll and everyone is going crazy LOL
For me.... Cataclysm isn't part of Classic Wow.
20 man raid ruined it for me . 10 man raid was simple and fun and hoped to carry that all the way to naxx but that wont happen . trying war within and like the pre patch event .
They said sod was a test in phase 1 my guy IDK what u saying lol
I just want vanilla fresh or vanilla plus. Give me both.
why blizz could make differnt kind of classic - all the patches from the start in vanill changed the game -the current game are like a polished stone - its so and so entertaining and raw unpolished one might be more fun - the more limiting and harder early game might be for some - The exhaustion mechanic should do a comeback so the rush to lv 60 would be harder and the mobs hit harder in vanilla , Hogger were group quest not for 3 but 5 players -the bosses in deamines and wc were lv 23 not lv 20 or 21 as now , and some quest seems to have been totally removed from the game as i remember them etc- it counts to Blizz is lazy and the new people at blizzard never player vanilla wow
I am done with anything classic. Unless the bots and economy are a high priority, which will not happen.