@@theworldisastage1984 "you think that is better than the scorpion?" Personally, yes. I like the numerous variations of the MP5, the reliability and the COOL AS F*CK factor. Having said that, I have seen many Scorpions at competitions and they run very nicely.
Saved me time, thanks again. Worst PPC I ever used was the M-11. Jammed in every possible way, parts hard to find and the magazines seemed to have no standard. The factory mag spring cover would come lose and drop rounds. Worst sound in the world is “Click” without ‘Bang’ = needs more power to the firing pin.
@@libtardgunlover762 because everyone who’s been in the gun word awhile is intent on putting those worthless price gouging shitbirds out of business. Never forget what CTD did to the community.
Dont sign up to Big Daddy, they never have anything other than trinkets, bits, and baubles in stock. They dont backorder ammo anymorex and never have it in stock. Save your 10 dollars a month.
I don’t mind it, I hardly order ammo online. I only use it for aftermarket parts, and currently most places are in a shortage of everything. You save the amount on your first order of what the membership cost
I just bought the Stribog A1 second generation with non-reciprocating charging handle from Palmetto State Armory about a month ago. Great trigger with fast reset. Zero reliability issues so far with 500 red bulk practice 115gr fmj and 127gr Hornady hollow points. Came with sb tactical folding stock and 3 thirty rd mags in nice hard carry case. Blow back but still soft shooting (No, not like an mp5 level soft). Of all my PCCs, this is my favorite!
I cancelled my BDU subscription. Literally everything Ive been looking for is out of stock and has remained that way for the last few months. Why do I pay them to look at products that are out of stock? I know it's not their fault, but I think right now in these times that kind of business model is not sustainable.
The best deals come from your local gun shop, where you have been a customer for years, and you are friends with all the employees and you know the owner. It doesn't take long to establish, build, and maintain a good relationship like this. I moved to Nevada two years ago. I love my local gunsmith/retail weapons store. Most recently I took my Tavor 7 down there to see what I might do about upping my game in the 7.62 column. I bought that T-7 at his shop 2 years ago after I got my X95, (thank you Tim). Long story short; the X95 was the bomb; T-7 not so much. I paid 2k for it. My shop owner, gave me 1.6 for the weapon, reduced the price on the weapon I was purchasing, and I walked out with a new Scar 20s at a great price. I doubt I will ever buy a weapon on line, or join a business like BDU. Nothing negative on BDU, I just don't see the point. Great vid Tim. Thanks for doing your program.
@@John-zs2eo LOL. That may work from a really small shop. The gun shops here, even the "little" ones, don't give a crap and will charge MSRP every time outside of some global sale. I've only gotten one "deal" from a local shop, during their sale they had in general.
I have a 9mm Marlin Camp Carbine, too, and it's been great. The only problem I ever had with it was when the Polymer Buffer cracked. Replaced the Polymer Buffer with a Blackjack brand buffer and it's been great!
I didn’t think anyone else knew about the camp carbine! Ruger had a rifle out at the same period of time. The marlin had Smith&wesson magazines! The smith&wesson ruled at least in my world. At the time I thought that a rifle in 9mm was diminutive. So sick because I have not purchased firearms because of how I felt. Only to see a need or many reasons to purchase them when they were no longer available! On military pay I missed a lot of good stuff over the years. The camp is the champ! Higher capacity and actually practical! Smart move!
When he said “I wanted to love the Vector” I felt that.... Second best day of my gun life was when I bought my Gen 2 Vector .45. Best day of my gun life is when I traded my Gen 2 Vector .45 off for two other firearms It was ammo picky, tons of failures with certain ammo, as heavy as an AR10 rifle and aftermarket support was almost nonexistent.
@@jstenberg3192 In it's defense I have only put cheap ammo through mine, but a solid PCC should be able to chew through anything. Glad yours works for you though, it's certainly a cool gun
@@andyjones9519 Once ammo prices moderate ill put a can and a good optic on and run thru 1000 rounds. If it runs that without a hiccup, ill feel confident.
@@jstenberg3192 I have about 2k rounds through my gen 2 45, cheap reloads to expensive match rounds no issues even with the cheap nock off Glock extended mags (that wont work in my Glock 41). The problems people have with these completely baffles me. Mine has had zero issues.
Man I don’t know what to do. I want to buy one and some people say it’s garbage and some say zero problems. Crazy. I really want the APC9 but too expensive for me
An underrated PCC is the Beretta CX4 Storm, first rifle I bought and it eats everything and the 92 mags are reliable. Plus the gun is super simple and comfortable. I think we need a CX4 video, long over due.
It’s great for beretta owners not so much for glock owners. People who don’t own either are still better off with glock mags as they cheaper and everywhere in multiple capacities
I actually used to have a marlin lever gun chambered in .357 mag/38 special and that was easily one of my most favorite firearms I've ever owned. It really sucked having to get rid of that one!
the plastic piece on the AK is to prefent the empty 9mm brass from sneaking behind the trigger group because the small brass can and will fit and cause jams.
1:40 - NAK9 7:13 - Stribog (3rd Gen) 11:57 - Sig MPX (1st Gen) 20:20 - KRISS Vector 24:57 - Final Thoughts P.S. I know nothing of guns so if I have miss labeled any of these firearms feel free to tell me and I will make corrections.
I own various pcc and I can honestly say the best pcc I or anybody can own is the beretta cx4 storm. I personally put over 10,000 rounds through it and NEVER a issue.
I loved the CX4, Beretta didn't export them for a long time because they were filling a large government contract. I don't know what happened afterwards.
I had one of these broke it day one...read the owners manual haha not the guns fault 100 percent user error and beretta sent me the new part no charge. Trigger was mush but its not the worst. I loved it id definitely agree with your recommendation. I can't agree its the "best" but it is sure as heck up there
yep, especially when you are trying to do your research before buying one but such a huge portion of gun channels never let you know about the flaws and problems.... :/ really glad we have Tim :)
I got 2 sets of parts from FM where they neglected to thread screw holes or machine indentations. I won't take the chance again, no quality management.
Thank you for your video. I was considering a Stribog and you saved me from a big deal of aggravation. I owned one Sig and after talking to the Sig product support team about surface rust on my slide I noticed they just don't care about there customers satisfaction. The way they abandoned support on gen one MTX shows this attitude I speak of.Keep up the good work !!
I have a Stribog SPA1 gen2 and a SPA3 that came out after serial number 1500. Zero reliability issues. They shoot everything and are accurate. Tim is a magnet for problem guns. You can get the Stribog that takes Glock mags now if you wish.
Besides early generation guns “before grand power took over” iv seen nothing but guys say it’s one of the best pcc’s they’ve shot. Iv had zero issues with mine so far about 1000rds through it so far.
Love how his biggest gripe with the Stribog is constant generational updates, but then very next gun is the MPX and he just goes on and on about the generational problems with it, but keeps reminding us that it is okay because there is a 3rd party company that can fix the problems..... Wouldn't that be the case with the Stribog too, and for a lot less money? Why does the MPX get so many free passes there?
@@MountainPF No, from what he said. Stribog is still fixing their issues and Sig is selling what they advertise as gen 2 guns with still faulty gen 1 parts in them. How did he get a full gen 2 gun? Sig sent him it directly for testing. That is worse then Stribog still actively working to fix their magazine issue. The SP9A1 and SP9A3 are not the same generational gun like the Sig MPX is. As he stated the MPX is generational because they stop support on a generation because they stop making it. The SP9A1 and SP9A3 are different guns. They are both still fully supported since they are both still fully in production. Lumping them in together as the same gun was unfair in the review. Saying over and over again that you can fix the Sig problems in the aftermarket but saying the Stribog was an absolute dumpster fire even though the aftermarket has also fixed their magazine problem for hundreds less then a MPX is again an unfair review.
@@braxtonnelson7976 Amazing guns? Even the new gun Sig just gave him directly that he did a video on just 6 days ago needed him to purchase an entirely new barrel for a $1800 gun for $400 more to fix the glaring accuracy issues the gun has. The sub $700 Stribog just needs a new lower that costs less then $200 to get perfect reliability and accuracy. This is giving a huge pass to Sig and he didn't even mention in this video that he swapped out the barrel on the MPX to make it actually be accurate.
I watched your trials and tribulations with the Stribog and you saved me so much heartache. I came so close to buying one. Now I have a sweet ass MP5 clone and couldn’t be happier.
Had cash in hand to get an A3 Stribog but smartly grabbed a PTR 9CT. I shot a bunch of FA MP5's years ago (military) and the desire to own my own was then burned into my brain. My PTR 9 runs like a champ and feels sooooooo good!
I will never check out a site that is "pay to view" products and pricing. There's just too many better sites that are free for that to ever be worthwhile.
@@silencerbear9347 save up, get the first month for a dollar, purchase what you were already planning to get otherwise if it's at large discount, then cancel. Perhaps new email and subscribe once every 6 months to see what's new and at a good price
@@davidsaylor7807 downside to that is, I can't get what I want when I want it. Upside is, more good shit has found its way into the hands of the populus than anytime in recent history. The silver lining is a few million people very well equiped compared to this time last year.
I have only owned two PCCs. An original full sized Uzi back in the 80s and an Extar EP-9 ($425). Both very simple and just work well. A PCC doesn't need to be complicated. Just my take on ways to burn through 9mm ammo quickly. Enjoy!
With so many channels out there, sometimes you click one vid and dont watch whole thing. I have recently discovered this one. Really enjoy the videos I've watched so far, I get stuck watching the whole thing. Very informative and entertaining. I will check out all the videos. Thanks.
Did anyone else get interested about the 80’s guns Tim has in his collection that are “falling apart”? That would be an extremely interesting video of old polymer technologies versus today! Plus I wanna see these guns!
This brings back memories; I remember telling people not to buy that the newfangled, "1858 - Remington Revolving Carbine". Trust me, it did not make a good Buffalo rifle. The value did climb over the years.
yea their super cool, but they are so overpriced for a glorified pistol. Give me 300 blk out with a suppressor all day long. I do want a CMMG banshee or B&T apc9/10 or ghm their price is unrealistic. Why does everyone get 9mm as well ( I want performance, not ammo cost) you would think 45 and 10mm even 40 (yuck) are better choices because of more power.
I thought the same. I picked up a used but never fired sub2000 the other day for 300 bones. It's 40 cal and it matches my g22 and mags so I have no issues there and have plenty of 40 to plink with. Worst case I could sell it and get my money back. Seemed like a no brainier and it's pretty fun to shoot.
@@brighthought11 WHO_TEE_WHO owns a .40 S&W Banshee and has told me there is literally no difference in recoil between the .40/.45 and the 9mm in a PCC. Another person I know owns a .45 Vector as well and said the exact same thing. And the .40 has literally 95% of the capacity as the 9mm for the same size magazine. There is however a noticeable difference in the amount of damage the 9mm and all the other mentioned calibers do to gel, fruits, soda jugs, and cinder blocks though. So yeah, no point to the 9mm in a PCC.
You forgot to mention with the Vector that when you are forced to magwell grip it you have a high chance of actuating the mag release. I tried running the pistol version once and couldn't stop hitting the mag release, the bolt lock, or the charging handle. Big difference having that vertical grip on there. It was cool shooting it as a full auto though when I was afforded the opportunity.
Out of all of them the Vector surprises me. I've heard varried reviews, but didn't expect you to have that strong of opinions about having a completed vector
I know I’m very late but, Reliability issues are in the magazines, not the gun. Kriss readily replaces magazines that have the follower drag issue. I have had zero with the 10mm with 700 rounds or so to date. The whole thumb issue hitting the charging handle is 100% personal issue at fault. It isn’t a large contact area at all and it takes some very basic minor adjustment to not encounter that issue. Same with a reciprocating CH SCAR. Once people train themselves to use the monkey grip instead of the whole thumbs open grip, most never go back.
I have had a very good experience with the SP9A1 and would not consider getting rid of it. I do understand the issue with the magazine and that's a tough one to get over but again I have had no problems with the magazines that came with my gun. I do appreciate the thorough explanation Rather than just saying I'm a hater and I don't like this type, you go into a extremely detailed explanation and I think that's very valid. Thank you
I have the first Gen bought way back when not many videos or had hears about the Stribog i have shot mine for couple years now with no issues nor my mags either have shot a least 4,000 rds through it so i guess mine was ine of the lucky ones that was 👍 great well done...
The Gen 1 guns are the ones to have, It's when they thought they were upgrading and experimenting with the blowback, and changing the recoil spring and bolt carrier and magazines, mixing and matching, I think they confused themselves. I've been shooting mine since new 3 years gen 1 not a single problem, original mags and all. What I did do about a year ago is buy 2 of the curved mags. So far so good. no issues. For what I paid I would say I got my money's worth. Man I get a kick out of these You Tube G.I. JOES who do all kinds of stupid shit to there 600.00 guns, mud, sand, 50 ft drops, freezer tests, creek water, run em over with their pick-em up trucks and then say It's not a go too war gun, but It's a great range toy these bullshit guys know shit. Everyone knows YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. This guy has always been a Whiney ASS.
@@devlinfoster4503 The gaming industry has served shit sandwiches since their inception. And not everyone has a computer science degree to diagnose the issues. Any idiot with a Dremel (not recommended) can fix a lot of the gun issues that exist today. Especially 1911, revolver, lever action issues.
I appreciate your willingness to discuss guns that have problems. I feel like so many gun channels always just promote any and all firearms like an infomercial while avoiding discussing guns that aren't as functional or have issues. Thank you for being one of the ones willing to discuss this topic.
I absolutely love my Stribog. I changed the trigger spring and bolt catch. Otherwise it has run flawlessly with any ammo I have used in it be it coated, fmj, plated and subs or supers.
I’ve not had a single failure on my stribog. Took it to a group shoot and offered it up to all. Basically you feed it you can shoot it. I wasn’t even the first person to shoot it. It’s had various brand and weight 9mm ammunition that day. I only shoot what I stock and thats Tulammo steel case 9mm. Mine runs it all, I did buy the curved mags. I also have a Kriss in 9mm and so far no problems that aren’t ergonomic. It’s had less rounds than the Stribog but it cost me twice as much. Still I’m keeping both.
I love my Stribog too and my AKV9. I have not changed my trigger or lower, however I installed the HBI Short Stroke buffer and added a linear compensator. I've run all types of ammo in my BOG and it runs well! I will most likely purchase the SP45A3 later this year!
Thanks a lot! I was considering getting a 9mm AK as a companion to my MAK-90, but was never able to put my hands on one. Polymer magazine ✅️. Polymer magazine WELL - Definitely 🚫👌. And that bolt travel limiter/recoil buffer thing - 😂😂😂!!! I wouldn't call it a 9mm AK as much as an AK-shaped 9mm. With a heavy bolt blow back action, they could just as easily made it look like a Sten or an Ingram MAC 9.
I would like to point out that I have had literally zero issues with my Gen 2 Kriss Vector in .45ACP. I agree that the bolt catch/ release is in an awkward location.
My Gen 1 Stribog has run flawlessly for several years now. I added a red dot, angled foregrip, strap, and tri lug adapter so I can run my Yankee Hill R9 suppressor on it. I have put several thousand round through this gun, and it has not even hiccuped. One of my coworkers has one also, and his has been great also. My Stribog,and 5 magazines ready to rock make a great backpack gun.
Some great info Tim! Glad I never went the Striborg route. Been pretty happy with my CZ Scorpion and K-USA KP-9. Thanks for the video with your thoughts!
@@carlosmendoza967 the AKV is awesome! Was a hard choice between it and my Kp-9. I still might end up with the AKV though. Have some KP-9 and Scorpion videos over on my channel, but would be nice to have the AKV to do some comparisons.
I’ve been so torn between which pcc to get I want reliability over all. Everyone seems to be on the stribog train lately. Maybe I’ll reconsider the scorpion, wish I had MP5 money to burn.
I was at the range firing my Vector and had no problems. Let some guy fire it, and he kept having issues. Then when I fired it, it went back to having no issues.
I bought 2 PSA AR-9's a few months ago and had tons of problems with both of them. Had to send them both back PSA 3 times. Never did wind up running right.
Wow, that's surprising. I don't doubt your honesty, but that was not my experience at all. I purchased one AR9 pistol and several of their daggers. All have run flawlessly with anything I feed them. Would 100% bet my life on them. Mine have been as reliable as any of my other quality guns such as Glock, HK, Browning, Baretta, etc. My AR9 sees not only a lot or range use, but I carry it almost everywhere for several years now. Not exactly hard military use but definitely a lot of EDC banging around.
I had a Kriss Vector in 45 acp. In my experience I never had a misfire. I could run super light loads in the 500 fps arena. I just did this as an experiment. They should have made the gun a bull-pup design but then there recoil mitigation system wouldn’t have been as effective, but innovative none the less.
Oh my god, LOL. I absolutely LOVED how you summarized Glock--slowly rearranging the chairs on a sinking titanic while everyone nibbles away at their market share. So true. They wouldn't know innovation if it sat on their head and wiggled, lol. Great video.
Seriously. And I like glocks. I carry one. But uh…maybe someone should explain to them the concept of “generations.” “Hey guys, check out the new GEN6! We changed the stippling this time! Again! Let us know if the recoil spring gets you shot in the face, we will replace it if you just cover the shipping!”
Seriously. And I like glocks. I carry one. But uh…maybe someone should explain to them the concept of “generations.” “Hey guys, check out the new GEN6! We changed the stippling this time! Again! Let us know if the recoil spring gets you shot in the face, we will replace it if you just cover the shipping!”
Tim always got my respect 100%. All other gun reviews would be like “this gun runs flawlessly” all the time. Sick and tired of all these paid gun reviewers.
I personally like the Extar 9 and everything I have seen and heard about it, being a P.C.C./smg, plus the price point is very reasonable, and you have to buy it from Extar so no 3rd part price hikes. I Hope to in the very near future to be able to purchase an EXTAR 9, but I have been having issues earning money, so that $450. is getting a little hard to come up with, but i will keep trying. especially since as of 2 days ago they had them in stock
My PCC is a cheap Hi Point 995. I bought it because it was $150 used at a gun show. I've kept it because it is a really fun range toy that is cheap to feed. (excluding the 2020 problems) I bought mine missing the rear sight, but Hi Point sent me a new one for free so it was a better deal than I thought at first. I've put maybe 1500 rounds of Monarch steel case through mine and have been nothing but happy with it. As I said I bought mine as a fun cheap range toy. Well I bough it for cheap target practice, but it has turned into a fun cheap range toy.
The gen 2 kriss vector is the most disappointing gun I’ve owned. Didn’t shoot it enough to run into reliability issues, but my hi point carbine was more fun.. wish that was a joke. Now the Gen 3 MPX k, it’s my new favorite, though for the price I prefer the sig rattler.
I also own a gen 2 vector and totally agree. It feels so bulky, and the bolt hold open latch snapped on mine after about 600 rounds, so now there's no way to lock the bolt back.
@@reformer3188 what does looks have to do with how effective it is? i'd rather an ugly but reliable firearm than a cool and refined but troublesome firearm.
I own two Stribog SP9A3s. Both are 100%. I've heard the bad press and have kept an eye on mine for potential problems. 2000 rds through each without a single malf in either one. We're talking 98 grain up to 147. Ball to hollow point. Zero issues. If I'm just lucky, well, OK. I'm keeping mine. I will say I have the better mags from Grand Power though. That might be a factor.
Marlin Camp 9. Ive owned two, both bought dirt cheap because the recoil buffer pad had long since turned to stone and the back of the receivers cracked. Easy pin and repair! I miss them a lot.
I'm seriously thinking about picking up one of the hi-point pcc's, it would be pretty sweet to have one in 10 mm but all I can find is 9mm, then again it would be cool being able to buy 9mm ammo.
@@teddyfresh9605 well there is a problem, I'm a left handed shooter and the mag release is in the way for left handed shooters, honest outlaw has a video and his wife shoots rifles left handed as well and she kept dropping the mag ever 5 seconds so I don't want that.
My A1 Gen 2 Stribog has been rock solid. FMJ of different manufacturers and bullet weights, 124 gr HST and Gold Dots, has fed all of them with over 1000 rd and not one malfunction at this point (mine does have the rod preventing a case from getting behind the bolt). I’ve also left magazines loaded for months and never had any cracking. I would not buy an A3. Pretty disappointing what has happened.
I have run 1000s of rounds in my nak9 never had and issue the pistols don't have to be 922r compliant so it's all Romanian and runs glock mags brace it and go.
I have 2 Stribogs and I love all mine I have never had even 1 malfunction with and ammo. I’m really surprised it’s even on the list because I love mine and it’s on target every time even with the sites it comes with. Also my vector is amazing
only owned 4 PCC's & never again! 1) keltec sub2000 in 9mm - gen 1...folded position retainer in butt stock broke; 2) marlin 1894 in .357 mag...forearm kept walking forward with use (barrel band not well fitted...remington era consortium gun); 3) rossi 92 in .357 mag...arrived rusty in several areas & kept re-rusting after rust removal, cold blue pen touchup, and oiling; 4) new era ruger pcc in 9mm...had multiple malfunctions with ruger mags, glock mags, and pmag (for glock) mags; my luck with pcc's is mirrored with 1911's & ar-15's! my new iteration of a defensive carbine is a compact ruger 10/22 with modular buttstock, hi-viz sights, and 16.25" barrel...less than 5 malfunctions in @750 rounds through 6 x oem 10rd mags & 2 x oem 25rd mags (malfunctions were with winchester bulk 36gr hp's & federal american eagle 38gr hp's) -- been 100% with federal automatch 40gr solid, cci blazer 40gr solid, tippman arms 40gr plated solid (made by aguila), cci stinger 32gr hp, aguila supermaximum 30gr hp
yep got a Stribog A3 with the new curved mags and a 20 round straight mag. Over 600 rounds , no ftf, fte. Totally awesome added a SIG predator green dot and its lights out. Very accurate.
My A1 is my absolute favorite gun to shoot! With that being said I own class 3 weapons too. It has been nothing but reliable and feeds anything I put in the mags. All my friends that shoot it want one.
I am about to shoot the A-1 s Slovakian police model. So yes I am in Slovakia at the moment. I am excited about it but also all the other European hardware I will get to play with
I own a A1 and it runs fine.Maybe 4-6 malfunctions for 3000 rounds .All at the beginning with the +P+ spring but since i use the regular spring and no issue at all.
Great video Tim! I appreciate you sharing your experiences with these firearms. I personally like my Extar 9mm pistol. I'm around 1200 rds total with 4 different brands of 9mm and still running great. Thank you
@Julio Adorno-Rivera It makes absolutely zero sense. How does Sig finally fixing the MPX's issues a few years later have anything to do with the MPX he bought that he called a "dumpster fire"? Sorry but if I spent $1800 on a firearm, Im gonna be more annoyed at it when it doesnt work any better than $650 firearm than I am at the $650 firearm.
@@p331083 because you already have the first iterations buyers. Tim does a vid and tells you they fixed it with the next iteration and then they get a second wave of buyers. Tim then puts a couple hundred into a barrel and all the fist gen customers stop complaining. All for the price of sending tim one or two guns. Literally what happened with mpx.
@Julio Adorno-Rivera I do have a soft spot for Sig. The Sig guys love telling everyone I'm a Sig basher... no, I'm not. I just share my experiences both positive and negative. It just so happened that for a while there I was getting a number of bad Sig products. They are capable of doing great things but I think more than anything they can be victims of their own success.
Tim, forgive me, but as someone who cares deeply about you, I just have to say this: we can all see clear as day that you are in a borderline masochistic relationship with SIG! 😂
The A3 is hot garbage. The A1 gen 2s are good to go besides the magazines. Once you swith over to colt mags they are legit. Very fun to shoot. Good crisp trigger, good ergo.
Best pcc I have is the FX9. I feed it S&B and it runs extremely well. Never had a problem with it. I like the High Point 995 as well but I don't like how fiddly it is when you take it apart for cleaning.
Why would there be one on the table, mags and firearm seem to work very reliably and the coast is right there. I don’t own one “yet” but will as soon as gun/ammo gedone is over.
You sir have offended me! I challenge you to a duel! The stribog is an exceptional gun! We shall both choose from the pcc's on the table but I get first choice. And I choose.......the mpx
A refreshingly forthright video--thanks for it. I'm loving every range trip with my Stribog SP9A3S and have had only 1 minor malfunction (with a flat-nosed reloaded round, mind you) with it in about 1000 rounds through it, but you've clearly had horrid experiences with the line. Perhaps with the "S" model, they've finally gotten it right. The curved 30-rounders and even the straight 20-rounders load ever so easily and are reliable to this point. I appreciate your opinions. No hate here! Rock on, and thanks for the quality content.
I have a couple Winchester 94 in .44 mag, super cool. Kel tec sub matching cz75 mags, super cool. I think it weighs like 5.5 pounds, low recoil, folds in half shooters like a dream.
I ran a Stribog for 1100 rounds before giving up. Out in the desert the mags slowly degraded and resulted in high failures rates. Most of which occurred near the end of the mag. Also because the top of the receiver has large open cavities, if you try to fix the malfunction, and at any point tilt the gun up, there is a very good chance a empty casing will fall into the upper causing a quasi bolt override. It's a mess. This gun was so overhyped because of it's price; tons of reviewers reviewed positively because they shot barely over 300 rounds with it, and then gave it a positive pass.
I've had that issue and others. The mags are horrible which is why they keep changing them. I feel sorry for people investing hundreds in the the latest generation of mags when I know other mag generations are coming down the pipe. But if something is cheap enough people will buy it and even love it. It's what I call the Century Arms Syndrome.
I hate mine. Its ugly, and all plastic. With that said...its been reliable for numerous factory 115g fmj brass, a few different factory 124g fmj brass and federal aluminum cased 115g fmj rounds. And its been a very very accurate shot out to 30 yards with a cheap red dot. I mean VERY accurate.
@@matyd7945 there is a fella making aftermarket handguards for them now, and they are much much better looking than factory. It's also MLOK and makes them in 2 different lengths. Also, I have stockpiled Federal aluminum cased but was told that the Extar would not like aluminum. How much aluminum have you ran through yours?
A lot of guntubers have reviewed them including some over 2000 rds, checkout honest outlaw. I havent seen or heard of one with complaints other than little things like loctiting the screws. On the extar fb page a couple people have had issues with some part(maybe extractor) it got taken xare of under warranty though. The stock handguard is ugly and the stock fcg is polymer(but ar compatible). Its cheaper and lighter than any other ar9 though plus made in us. I believe aluminum cases is not a good idea because of the amount of polymer parts. Also the design has a gap where the brass gets flash marks(maybe its considered not fully supported chamber). I know with the cz scorpion youre not supposed to use aluminum case either and i believe some people gave had failures with the scorpion.
Ad Maty d said, theyre reliable and accurate, also cheap and light. A gun is a tool and in the end aesthetics should be the lowest priority, Look at glocks.
Stormwerkz makes an aluminum mag well adapter for the Nak 9. I think the rear “bumper” could use some reinforcement (polymer over metal). I have a Nak -9 Draco and have been pretty happy with it. It’s not as nice as a KV-9, but it is nice that it uses Glock mags.
Just shoot it, I will agree the mags have issues that they could be made better and curved would be the way to go, but the rest of the gun is fine, I still have not had a problem with either of mine. They are accurate as well
The original ones are fine from what I've heard and seen. It looks like the a3 is the one having issues. Kind of disappointed that MAC shit on it without making that distinction.
@@zachariahmorris833 obviously you know nothing about what I’ve done or what I’ve shot, I’m sharing my own personal experience, if yours has differed with this firearm then so be it. Trying to discredit my personal experience with “you have not shot it enough”, as to say what I’ve experienced is less valuable than what you have doesn’t help anyone and makes both you and I seem like idiots. Good day Sir.
On Sig abandoning early Generation guns and not supporting them...BS. They should take lessons from JRC. Bought one used and had issues with it being a very early model, JRC rebuilt it for FREE.
Very shocked the Stribog founds its way on your list. I've seen the issues you had with it. Maybe I got lucky and got a good one. Never had the first issue out of mine. Runs any type of ammo I've ran through it. You have a good point on their mags though, they do such.
He's got an A3. Third gen. their attempt at a roller delayed system. The A1 and A2 which are straight blowback are perfectly fine with some mag issues if you use the wrong ammo.
@@bmagada I have the A1 and A3 my A1 runs without issue with both stick mags, my A3 i changed to the lingle lower and the magpul mags run without issue and lock open.
Hey Tim, how about ranking the best PCC’s you’ve gotten.
1. cz scorpion evo. Done
Easy:
#1 - MP5SD
#2 - MP5K
#3 - MP5A3
#4 - MP5A2
Did I mention the MP5?
Please do
MP5, CZ Scorpion, B&T, MPX, AKV. Not in that order.
@@theworldisastage1984 "you think that is better than the scorpion?"
Personally, yes. I like the numerous variations of the MP5, the reliability and the COOL AS F*CK factor. Having said that, I have seen many Scorpions at competitions and they run very nicely.
1:40 Century Arms NAK 9
7:13 Stribog SP9A3
11:57 Sig MPX
20:19 Kriss Vector
Thanks
Saved me time, thanks again. Worst PPC I ever used was the M-11. Jammed in every possible way, parts hard to find and the magazines seemed to have no standard. The factory mag spring cover would come lose and drop rounds. Worst sound in the world is “Click” without ‘Bang’ = needs more power to the firing pin.
@@stevenmerlock9971 I had a Tec-9 that jammed constantly, sold it off.
@@mattwalters6834 tec9 is more of a pistol than a carbine, maybe a pdw
@@BOB-wx3fq probs 😉
Cheaper Than Dirt Sucks. There, I fed the algorithm for today.
Correct. I will never forget the worthless price gouging scum they were during the early panic buys.
@@PalmettoNDN that’s not the first time they’ve done that either.
Just today they sent out an email selling 9mm for about 2.50 a round.........
he's not wrong you know.
@@libtardgunlover762 because everyone who’s been in the gun word awhile is intent on putting those worthless price gouging shitbirds out of business. Never forget what CTD did to the community.
Dont sign up to Big Daddy, they never have anything other than trinkets, bits, and baubles in stock. They dont backorder ammo anymorex and never have it in stock. Save your 10 dollars a month.
I signed up for the $0.99 trial month and have the same experience. That said, I say sign up for a month to help MAC, and then cxl. Only out $0.99.
What??? Gun youtubers shilling shit websites? I'm so surprised.
Thanks 👍
I don’t mind it, I hardly order ammo online. I only use it for aftermarket parts, and currently most places are in a shortage of everything. You save the amount on your first order of what the membership cost
When everything cools down in a year or so, it might possibly be worth it
"I wouldn't give this stribog to an enemy"
Dude I wouldn't give any gun to an enemy lol
That shows your not truly a 2A supporter.
@@HighVizEconomistWell that's stupid. Let them buy their own guns.
I wouldn't give that jacket he obviously bought from a surplus store to an enemy. he thinks he's so cool wearing it. cringe boomers these days
I just bought the Stribog A1 second generation with non-reciprocating charging handle from Palmetto State Armory about a month ago. Great trigger with fast reset. Zero reliability issues so far with 500 red bulk practice 115gr fmj and 127gr Hornady hollow points. Came with sb tactical folding stock and 3 thirty rd mags in nice hard carry case. Blow back but still soft shooting (No, not like an mp5 level soft). Of all my PCCs, this is my favorite!
This guy's just a whiney ass,
I have the same gun and I've had no reliability issues. I think its a great gun but maybe you and I got lucky, according to Tim.
I just got one, only put 120 rds through so far no issues so fingers crossed.
I love my Stribog and never had any issues.
I agree, bad video.
I cancelled my BDU subscription. Literally everything Ive been looking for is out of stock and has remained that way for the last few months. Why do I pay them to look at products that are out of stock? I know it's not their fault, but I think right now in these times that kind of business model is not sustainable.
I did the same. Limited funds also right now so what's the point
The 2nd amendment is more profitable in the long run. It’ll be a huge wake up call for some of these companies, they better get their s*** together
The best deals come from your local gun shop, where you have been a customer for years, and you are friends with all the employees and you know the owner. It doesn't take long to establish, build, and maintain a good relationship like this. I moved to Nevada two years ago. I love my local gunsmith/retail weapons store. Most recently I took my Tavor 7 down there to see what I might do about upping my game in the 7.62 column. I bought that T-7 at his shop 2 years ago after I got my X95, (thank you Tim). Long story short; the X95 was the bomb; T-7 not so much. I paid 2k for it. My shop owner, gave me 1.6 for the weapon, reduced the price on the weapon I was purchasing, and I walked out with a new Scar 20s at a great price. I doubt I will ever buy a weapon on line, or join a business like BDU. Nothing negative on BDU, I just don't see the point. Great vid Tim. Thanks for doing your program.
When they do have it they take so long to ship you forget you ordered it.
They were like that before the pandemic though
@@John-zs2eo LOL. That may work from a really small shop. The gun shops here, even the "little" ones, don't give a crap and will charge MSRP every time outside of some global sale. I've only gotten one "deal" from a local shop, during their sale they had in general.
I have a Marlin Camp Carbine. A PCC before PCCs were a thing.
Ruger .44 carbine and Deerfield even older I believe.
I have a 9mm Marlin Camp Carbine, too, and it's been great.
The only problem I ever had with it was when the Polymer Buffer cracked.
Replaced the Polymer Buffer with a Blackjack brand buffer and it's been great!
Had the Marlin 9 for many years, with very little trouble of any kind. Though it
Did get pretty dirty/ sooty from powder residue.
Any lever action carbine in a six shooter caliber from the 1800's is older.
I didn’t think anyone else knew about the camp carbine! Ruger had a rifle out at the same period of time. The marlin had Smith&wesson magazines! The smith&wesson ruled at least in my world. At the time I thought that a rifle in 9mm was diminutive. So sick because I have not purchased firearms because of how I felt. Only to see a need or many reasons to purchase them when they were no longer available! On military pay I missed a lot of good stuff over the years. The camp is the champ! Higher capacity and actually practical! Smart move!
I have a gen 2 Kriss. It had an extractor problem at first so I sent it in, they fixed it and it's been 100% reliable after that.
When he said “I wanted to love the Vector” I felt that....
Second best day of my gun life was when I bought my Gen 2 Vector .45.
Best day of my gun life is when I traded my Gen 2 Vector .45 off for two other firearms
It was ammo picky, tons of failures with certain ammo, as heavy as an AR10 rifle and aftermarket support was almost nonexistent.
I still have mine around for novelty, but yeah for practicality the gen 2 .45 acp is a disaster
Had my .45 Vector for a couple of years. Love it...Zero issues. mayybe I got lucky.
@@jstenberg3192 In it's defense I have only put cheap ammo through mine, but a solid PCC should be able to chew through anything. Glad yours works for you though, it's certainly a cool gun
@@andyjones9519 Once ammo prices moderate ill put a can and a good optic on and run thru 1000 rounds. If it runs that without a hiccup, ill feel confident.
@@jstenberg3192 I have about 2k rounds through my gen 2 45, cheap reloads to expensive match rounds no issues even with the cheap nock off Glock extended mags (that wont work in my Glock 41). The problems people have with these completely baffles me. Mine has had zero issues.
Got (5) brand new Stribogs!!! None of them have failed me! Not ONCE! They rock n roll! It’s actually one of the FUNNEST Guns I ever shot!
Same bought a new gen 2 flat face trigger model 4 range sessions now without cleaning no issues
Yep, picked up an A3 and it runs like a raped ape. Zero malfunctions period.
Man I don’t know what to do. I want to buy one and some people say it’s garbage and some say zero problems. Crazy. I really want the APC9 but too expensive for me
Yeah I love mine. I’m glad I got lucky with mine.
An underrated PCC is the Beretta CX4 Storm, first rifle I bought and it eats everything and the 92 mags are reliable. Plus the gun is super simple and comfortable. I think we need a CX4 video, long over due.
I have one and it’s fantastic
Paul Harrell speaks highly of it as well.
It’s great for beretta owners not so much for glock owners. People who don’t own either are still better off with glock mags as they cheaper and everywhere in multiple capacities
@@HircineDaWolf But does it fit his HANDS better than another gun?
I also have a 9mm CX4 carbine- love it!
Ruger PC Charger, might not be the prettiest but sure knows how to work.
Love mine
I really want one😅. Imagine if someone made a binary trigger for the 9mm version.... (Yes Im aware of the current ammo situation).
But the controls are so awkward
Even the basic pc carbines are great
@@lee-ld7er ....ok.......
All my PCC's are lever actions.
.45-70 govt. Is a pistol caliber round
@@John_Redcorn_ dear magnum research
When .500 S&W desert eagle
I actually used to have a marlin lever gun chambered in .357 mag/38 special and that was easily one of my most favorite firearms I've ever owned. It really sucked having to get rid of that one!
RCC's :)
Same! Only ones I truly trust and with training its fast enough in my opinion.
the plastic piece on the AK is to prefent the empty 9mm brass from sneaking behind the trigger group because the small brass can and will fit and cause jams.
1:40 - NAK9
7:13 - Stribog (3rd Gen)
11:57 - Sig MPX (1st Gen)
20:20 - KRISS Vector
24:57 - Final Thoughts
P.S. I know nothing of guns so if I have miss labeled any of these firearms feel free to tell me and I will make corrections.
Were you picked one of the best firearms related channels. This is a place where you can learn a lot and know you’re getting the right scoop. 👍🏻
I own various pcc and I can honestly say the best pcc I or anybody can own is the beretta cx4 storm. I personally put over 10,000 rounds through it and NEVER a issue.
I believe Beretta discontinued these. Would be nice if they came out with a pistol brace version.
@@Robespierres_Ghost gunbroker.com one man's trash is another man's treasure. Iv had myn for almost a decade now. I can't recommend it enough.
I love my berettas never an issue with my cx4
I loved the CX4, Beretta didn't export them for a long time because they were filling a large government contract. I don't know what happened afterwards.
I had one of these broke it day one...read the owners manual haha not the guns fault 100 percent user error and beretta sent me the new part no charge. Trigger was mush but its not the worst. I loved it id definitely agree with your recommendation. I can't agree its the "best" but it is sure as heck up there
No matter how anyone else would feel or think, it's always best to simply say the truth!
Not always the case if your wife/girlfriend says do I look fat and she does then for your sake lying might save your life
My guy Dave from the future
Yup. Fuck you're feeling basically 👍🏻
yep, especially when you are trying to do your research before buying one but such a huge portion of gun channels never let you know about the flaws and problems.... :/ really glad we have Tim :)
Politicians would SAY they agree...
When i got the itch for a pcc i just went with a 9mm foxtrot mike pistol lower and a 10 5 inch psa upper. Couldnt be happier.
Hell yeah. I ended up going PSA PX9 gen 4. Threw an 8.5" barrel on it and absolutely love it
Why not the FM side charging upper?
I got 2 sets of parts from FM where they neglected to thread screw holes or machine indentations.
I won't take the chance again, no quality management.
Mech tech 10mm upper and p80 lower
👍👍 foxtrot mike.
Thank you for your video. I was considering a Stribog and you saved me from a big deal of aggravation. I owned one Sig and after talking to the Sig product support team about surface rust on my slide I noticed they just don't care about there customers satisfaction. The way they abandoned support on gen one MTX shows this attitude I speak of.Keep up the good work !!
I have a Stribog SPA1 gen2 and a SPA3 that came out after serial number 1500. Zero reliability issues. They shoot everything and are accurate. Tim is a magnet for problem guns.
You can get the Stribog that takes Glock mags now if you wish.
Besides early generation guns “before grand power took over” iv seen nothing but guys say it’s one of the best pcc’s they’ve shot. Iv had zero issues with mine so far about 1000rds through it so far.
Love how his biggest gripe with the Stribog is constant generational updates, but then very next gun is the MPX and he just goes on and on about the generational problems with it, but keeps reminding us that it is okay because there is a 3rd party company that can fix the problems.....
Wouldn't that be the case with the Stribog too, and for a lot less money?
Why does the MPX get so many free passes there?
Mac pointed out the issues with both, sig fixed their issues and stribog didn’t. I don’t see how Sig is getting a free pass here. 🤷🏻♂️
@@MountainPF No, from what he said. Stribog is still fixing their issues and Sig is selling what they advertise as gen 2 guns with still faulty gen 1 parts in them.
How did he get a full gen 2 gun? Sig sent him it directly for testing. That is worse then Stribog still actively working to fix their magazine issue.
The SP9A1 and SP9A3 are not the same generational gun like the Sig MPX is. As he stated the MPX is generational because they stop support on a generation because they stop making it. The SP9A1 and SP9A3 are different guns. They are both still fully supported since they are both still fully in production. Lumping them in together as the same gun was unfair in the review.
Saying over and over again that you can fix the Sig problems in the aftermarket but saying the Stribog was an absolute dumpster fire even though the aftermarket has also fixed their magazine problem for hundreds less then a MPX is again an unfair review.
@@MiraSC He meant when they first did the conversion they mixed parts. As of now, no gen 2 guns would have gen 1 parts and they are amazing guns now.
@@braxtonnelson7976 Amazing guns? Even the new gun Sig just gave him directly that he did a video on just 6 days ago needed him to purchase an entirely new barrel for a $1800 gun for $400 more to fix the glaring accuracy issues the gun has. The sub $700 Stribog just needs a new lower that costs less then $200 to get perfect reliability and accuracy. This is giving a huge pass to Sig and he didn't even mention in this video that he swapped out the barrel on the MPX to make it actually be accurate.
because he gets new MPXs for free.
I watched your trials and tribulations with the Stribog and you saved me so much heartache. I came so close to buying one. Now I have a sweet ass MP5 clone and couldn’t be happier.
Uh oh I have a Stribog. No problems with it but much prefer my PTR MP5 clone anyway.
Had cash in hand to get an A3 Stribog but smartly grabbed a PTR 9CT. I shot a bunch of FA MP5's years ago (military) and the desire to own my own was then burned into my brain. My PTR 9 runs like a champ and feels sooooooo good!
Which mp5 clone do you have?
MP5s are soooo good :) also a proven design so you don't have to worry about that :)
@@1yehny the PTR 9CT.
I will never check out a site that is "pay to view" products and pricing. There's just too many better sites that are free for that to ever be worthwhile.
You can save $300 bucks on a dbal a3 on BDU. That alone made it worth it for me. But if you don’t buy stuff often it’s probably not worth it.
@@silencerbear9347 save up, get the first month for a dollar, purchase what you were already planning to get otherwise if it's at large discount, then cancel. Perhaps new email and subscribe once every 6 months to see what's new and at a good price
Right.I have never paid for a catalogue.
@@dipshiit7 problem is everything good is sold out.
@@davidsaylor7807 downside to that is, I can't get what I want when I want it. Upside is, more good shit has found its way into the hands of the populus than anytime in recent history. The silver lining is a few million people very well equiped compared to this time last year.
I have only owned two PCCs. An original full sized Uzi back in the 80s and an Extar EP-9 ($425). Both very simple and just work well. A PCC doesn't need to be complicated. Just my take on ways to burn through 9mm ammo quickly. Enjoy!
EP-9 doesn’t let you flex on poors at the range though. Gotta rock that SP5!
With so many channels out there, sometimes you click one vid and dont watch whole thing. I have recently discovered this one. Really enjoy the videos I've watched so far, I get stuck watching the whole thing. Very informative and entertaining. I will check out all the videos. Thanks.
Did anyone else get interested about the 80’s guns Tim has in his collection that are “falling apart”? That would be an extremely interesting video of old polymer technologies versus today! Plus I wanna see these guns!
scrolling through comments, recent video his S&W 10mm magazine fell apart. talk about foreshadowing!
This brings back memories; I remember telling people not to buy that the newfangled, "1858 - Remington Revolving Carbine". Trust me, it did not make a good Buffalo rifle. The value did climb over the years.
It worked okay for one-armed scouts until some wiseacre gave the native Americans hipoint 995s....
I’ve always wanted a PCC I just can’t bring myself to buy one. Every time I’m close I always end up getting a rifle caliber instead
yea their super cool, but they are so overpriced for a glorified pistol.
Give me 300 blk out with a suppressor all day long.
I do want a CMMG banshee or B&T apc9/10 or ghm
their price is unrealistic. Why does everyone get 9mm as well ( I want performance, not ammo cost)
you would think 45 and 10mm even 40 (yuck) are better choices because of more power.
Unless it's an mp5 I'll pass
I thought the same. I picked up a used but never fired sub2000 the other day for 300 bones. It's 40 cal and it matches my g22 and mags so I have no issues there and have plenty of 40 to plink with. Worst case I could sell it and get my money back. Seemed like a no brainier and it's pretty fun to shoot.
@@brighthought11 WHO_TEE_WHO owns a .40 S&W Banshee and has told me there is literally no difference in recoil between the .40/.45 and the 9mm in a PCC. Another person I know owns a .45 Vector as well and said the exact same thing. And the .40 has literally 95% of the capacity as the 9mm for the same size magazine.
There is however a noticeable difference in the amount of damage the 9mm and all the other mentioned calibers do to gel, fruits, soda jugs, and cinder blocks though. So yeah, no point to the 9mm in a PCC.
@@bowlofrice8 "Unless it's an mp5 I'll pass"
Exactly!!!
You forgot to mention with the Vector that when you are forced to magwell grip it you have a high chance of actuating the mag release. I tried running the pistol version once and couldn't stop hitting the mag release, the bolt lock, or the charging handle. Big difference having that vertical grip on there. It was cool shooting it as a full auto though when I was afforded the opportunity.
Out of all of them the Vector surprises me. I've heard varried reviews, but didn't expect you to have that strong of opinions about having a completed vector
I know I’m very late but, Reliability issues are in the magazines, not the gun. Kriss readily replaces magazines that have the follower drag issue. I have had zero with the 10mm with 700 rounds or so to date.
The whole thumb issue hitting the charging handle is 100% personal issue at fault. It isn’t a large contact area at all and it takes some very basic minor adjustment to not encounter that issue. Same with a reciprocating CH SCAR.
Once people train themselves to use the monkey grip instead of the whole thumbs open grip, most never go back.
I knew the Vector would be on here, it’s unique and cool and mine functions perfectly as is so I love it.
I have had a very good experience with the SP9A1 and would not consider getting rid of it. I do understand the issue with the magazine and that's a tough one to get over but again I have had no problems with the magazines that came with my gun. I do appreciate the thorough explanation Rather than just saying I'm a hater and I don't like this type, you go into a extremely detailed explanation and I think that's very valid. Thank you
I have the first Gen bought way back when not many videos or had hears about the Stribog i have shot mine for couple years now with no issues nor my mags either have shot a least 4,000 rds through it so i guess mine was ine of the lucky ones that was 👍 great well done...
The Gen 1 guns are the ones to have, It's when they thought they were upgrading and experimenting with the blowback, and changing the recoil spring and bolt carrier and magazines, mixing and matching, I think they confused themselves. I've been shooting mine since new 3 years gen 1 not a single problem, original mags and all. What I did do about a year ago is buy 2 of the curved mags. So far so good. no issues. For what I paid I would say I got my money's worth. Man I get a kick out of these You Tube G.I. JOES who do all kinds of stupid shit to there 600.00 guns, mud, sand, 50 ft drops, freezer tests, creek water, run em over with their pick-em up trucks and then say It's not a go too war gun, but It's a great range toy these bullshit guys know shit. Everyone knows YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. This guy has always been a Whiney ASS.
Sig Sauer: "Our customers do the quality control so we don't have to."
Gaming industry: first time?
@@Gearparadummies Gun industry: "Know your place son! We's been having QC problems since before you were a concept."
Hahahaa tundra tactical dude said something similar like two weeks ago
@@devlinfoster4503
The gaming industry has served shit sandwiches since their inception. And not everyone has a computer science degree to diagnose the issues. Any idiot with a Dremel (not recommended) can fix a lot of the gun issues that exist today. Especially 1911, revolver, lever action issues.
I love my Gen 2 Stribog. $830 with a sb brace and 3 mags? I have over 1000 rounds through it and have had no issues.
I appreciate your willingness to discuss guns that have problems. I feel like so many gun channels always just promote any and all firearms like an infomercial while avoiding discussing guns that aren't as functional or have issues. Thank you for being one of the ones willing to discuss this topic.
Yep and those dudes are being paid to do it.
Is there even anything in stock at big daddy unlimited???
Not really
Is anything in stock anywhere?
More than most, that's not saying alot but that's due to the gun run. Pre-covid they were well stocked
They need to change their name to Small Daddy Limited
Or Big Daddy LIMITED, like everyone else right now
I absolutely love my Stribog. I changed the trigger spring and bolt catch. Otherwise it has run flawlessly with any ammo I have used in it be it coated, fmj, plated and subs or supers.
What gen do you have?
I’ve not had a single failure on my stribog. Took it to a group shoot and offered it up to all. Basically you feed it you can shoot it. I wasn’t even the first person to shoot it. It’s had various brand and weight 9mm ammunition that day. I only shoot what I stock and thats Tulammo steel case 9mm. Mine runs it all, I did buy the curved mags. I also have a Kriss in 9mm and so far no problems that aren’t ergonomic. It’s had less rounds than the Stribog but it cost me twice as much. Still I’m keeping both.
@@Abidingcitizenyeah, I’ve never had a problem with my Stribog. 15 mags, curved and straight. All run great, 3-4,000 rounds through it.
I love my Stribog too and my AKV9. I have not changed my trigger or lower, however I installed the HBI Short Stroke buffer and added a linear compensator. I've run all types of ammo in my BOG and it runs well! I will most likely purchase the SP45A3 later this year!
Thanks a lot! I was considering getting a 9mm AK as a companion to my MAK-90, but was never able to put my hands on one. Polymer magazine ✅️. Polymer magazine WELL - Definitely 🚫👌. And that bolt travel limiter/recoil buffer thing - 😂😂😂!!! I wouldn't call it a 9mm AK as much as an AK-shaped 9mm. With a heavy bolt blow back action, they could just as easily made it look like a Sten or an Ingram MAC 9.
I would like to point out that I have had literally zero issues with my Gen 2 Kriss Vector in .45ACP. I agree that the bolt catch/ release is in an awkward location.
Getting a 9mm PCC was on the top of my list of things to buy in 2021 but between ammo shortages and prices, it looks like I’ll have to wait.
With Biden in office and feckless, Republican sellouts we won't have any gun rights by the end of the year anyway.
And then you will be called a "dog-faced pony soldier."
And that’s why I like the good old blowback design.. simple and reliable.. yes it kick a little bit more but the 9mm is super manageable
I've had overall a negative experience with Big Daddy Unlimited
My Gen 1 Stribog has run flawlessly for several years now. I added a red dot, angled foregrip, strap, and tri lug adapter so I can run my Yankee Hill R9 suppressor on it. I have put several thousand round through this gun, and it has not even hiccuped. One of my coworkers has one also, and his has been great also. My Stribog,and 5 magazines ready to rock make a great backpack gun.
I absolutely love my RAK-9. Manufactured in Romania and I haven't had a single issue with mine thus far.
Some great info Tim! Glad I never went the Striborg route. Been pretty happy with my CZ Scorpion and K-USA KP-9. Thanks for the video with your thoughts!
I went Cz scorpion as well and went with the akv9! I do want to get my hands on a k USA.
@@carlosmendoza967 the AKV is awesome! Was a hard choice between it and my Kp-9. I still might end up with the AKV though. Have some KP-9 and Scorpion videos over on my channel, but would be nice to have the AKV to do some comparisons.
I’ve been so torn between which pcc to get I want reliability over all. Everyone seems to be on the stribog train lately. Maybe I’ll reconsider the scorpion, wish I had MP5 money to burn.
I was at the range firing my Vector and had no problems. Let some guy fire it, and he kept having issues. Then when I fired it, it went back to having no issues.
Lover my vector in .45 acp had no problems and use Korean made 27 rd mags. Guess it was just all my years as a Recon Marine.
Might have been a case of man vs girl hands.
I bought 2 PSA AR-9's a few months ago and had tons of problems with both of them. Had to send them both back PSA 3 times. Never did wind up running right.
Wow, that's surprising. I don't doubt your honesty, but that was not my experience at all. I purchased one AR9 pistol and several of their daggers. All have run flawlessly with anything I feed them. Would 100% bet my life on them. Mine have been as reliable as any of my other quality guns such as Glock, HK, Browning, Baretta, etc. My AR9 sees not only a lot or range use, but I carry it almost everywhere for several years now. Not exactly hard military use but definitely a lot of EDC banging around.
I had a Kriss Vector in 45 acp. In my experience I never had a misfire. I could run super light loads in the 500 fps arena. I just did this as an experiment. They should have made the gun a bull-pup design but then there recoil mitigation system wouldn’t have been as effective, but innovative none the less.
They have it in 10mm ive been curious
Oh my god, LOL. I absolutely LOVED how you summarized Glock--slowly rearranging the chairs on a sinking titanic while everyone nibbles away at their market share. So true. They wouldn't know innovation if it sat on their head and wiggled, lol. Great video.
Seriously. And I like glocks. I carry one. But uh…maybe someone should explain to them the concept of “generations.” “Hey guys, check out the new GEN6! We changed the stippling this time! Again! Let us know if the recoil spring gets you shot in the face, we will replace it if you just cover the shipping!”
Seriously. And I like glocks. I carry one. But uh…maybe someone should explain to them the concept of “generations.” “Hey guys, check out the new GEN6! We changed the stippling this time! Again! Let us know if the recoil spring gets you shot in the face, we will replace it if you just cover the shipping!”
Tim always got my respect 100%. All other gun reviews would be like “this gun runs flawlessly” all the time. Sick and tired of all these paid gun reviewers.
I personally like the Extar 9 and everything I have seen and heard about it, being a P.C.C./smg, plus the price point is very reasonable, and you have to buy it from Extar so no 3rd part price hikes. I Hope to in the very near future to be able to purchase an EXTAR 9, but I have been having issues earning money, so that $450. is getting a little hard to come up with, but i will keep trying. especially since as of 2 days ago they had them in stock
I love my EP9!
21:33 I real appreciate the sounds effects for additional immersion
My PCC is a cheap Hi Point 995. I bought it because it was $150 used at a gun show. I've kept it because it is a really fun range toy that is cheap to feed. (excluding the 2020 problems) I bought mine missing the rear sight, but Hi Point sent me a new one for free so it was a better deal than I thought at first. I've put maybe 1500 rounds of Monarch steel case through mine and have been nothing but happy with it. As I said I bought mine as a fun cheap range toy. Well I bough it for cheap target practice, but it has turned into a fun cheap range toy.
I really love the intro in this channel. Worth watching the videos for that alone.
All my PCC's are MP5's, except for a single pre-ban Uzi Model B because reasons. I'm keeping it this way for a reason.
@@teddyfresh9605 No. Because PCC's are stupid, so might as well get the retro ones that are at least somewhat cool and worth something.
Great content. I love my Ruger PC Carbine
Me too just bought one it's awesome
The gen 2 kriss vector is the most disappointing gun I’ve owned. Didn’t shoot it enough to run into reliability issues, but my hi point carbine was more fun.. wish that was a joke. Now the Gen 3 MPX k, it’s my new favorite, though for the price I prefer the sig rattler.
I also own a gen 2 vector and totally agree. It feels so bulky, and the bolt hold open latch snapped on mine after about 600 rounds, so now there's no way to lock the bolt back.
Hi-Point definitely knows how to make PCCs. one of the better ones on the market for how affordable they are. just heavy.
@@thatguybrody4819 Ugly and gross
@@reformer3188 what does looks have to do with how effective it is? i'd rather an ugly but reliable firearm than a cool and refined but troublesome firearm.
I own two Stribog SP9A3s. Both are 100%. I've heard the bad press and have kept an eye on mine for potential problems. 2000 rds through each without a single malf in either one. We're talking 98 grain up to 147. Ball to hollow point. Zero issues. If I'm just lucky, well, OK. I'm keeping mine. I will say I have the better mags from Grand Power though. That might be a factor.
Marlin Camp 9. Ive owned two, both bought dirt cheap because the recoil buffer pad had long since turned to stone and the back of the receivers cracked. Easy pin and repair! I miss them a lot.
*Laughs in Hi-Point 995 Classic*
I'm seriously thinking about picking up one of the hi-point pcc's, it would be pretty sweet to have one in 10 mm but all I can find is 9mm, then again it would be cool being able to buy 9mm ammo.
@Brass falls Tactical Don't be a gun snob. It doesn't have to cost over $1200 to work.
@@teddyfresh9605 well there is a problem, I'm a left handed shooter and the mag release is in the way for left handed shooters, honest outlaw has a video and his wife shoots rifles left handed as well and she kept dropping the mag ever 5 seconds so I don't want that.
I've only got a single pistol caliber carbine in my collection at the moment which is a Rossi circuit judge and I have to say I quite like it
My A1 Gen 2 Stribog has been rock solid. FMJ of different manufacturers and bullet weights, 124 gr HST and Gold Dots, has fed all of them with over 1000 rd and not one malfunction at this point (mine does have the rod preventing a case from getting behind the bolt). I’ve also left magazines loaded for months and never had any cracking. I would not buy an A3. Pretty disappointing what has happened.
Ditto, and never had a mag ptoble.
I have had my mags loaded for months also. Hot and cold weather. I only load 28 though in everything.
Very informative video keep up the awesome vids!
And that is why I watch your Videos for the information . Thank you for your service. Helps me avoid these !
I was not disapproved for my first handgun today...going to pick it up at noon 😃👊🏻🤘🏻
Welcome to the club brother we are happy to have you
Hell yeah get training and stay safe out there man Coming from a future gun owner 👌🏻
I have run 1000s of rounds in my nak9 never had and issue the pistols don't have to be 922r compliant so it's all Romanian and runs glock mags brace it and go.
Right! I got the Nak9x and it runs very well. Tossed a holosun on top and stream light on the side and I love it. More importantly the wife loves it.
Any issues with the polymer buffer thingamajig?I have one and love it just worried about that buffer breaking down.
@@mikea3370 not yeah but yeah I think that will be the weak point for sure. Might not hurt to grab a few extras
I have 2 Stribogs and I love all mine I have never had even 1 malfunction with and ammo. I’m really surprised it’s even on the list because I love mine and it’s on target every time even with the sites it comes with. Also my vector is amazing
How many rounds three it? I want to buy one so bad but keep reading once they hit 2k rounds is when it shits the bed
only owned 4 PCC's & never again! 1) keltec sub2000 in 9mm - gen 1...folded position retainer in butt stock broke; 2) marlin 1894 in .357 mag...forearm kept walking forward with use (barrel band not well fitted...remington era consortium gun); 3) rossi 92 in .357 mag...arrived rusty in several areas & kept re-rusting after rust removal, cold blue pen touchup, and oiling; 4) new era ruger pcc in 9mm...had multiple malfunctions with ruger mags, glock mags, and pmag (for glock) mags; my luck with pcc's is mirrored with 1911's & ar-15's! my new iteration of a defensive carbine is a compact ruger 10/22 with modular buttstock, hi-viz sights, and 16.25" barrel...less than 5 malfunctions in @750 rounds through 6 x oem 10rd mags & 2 x oem 25rd mags (malfunctions were with winchester bulk 36gr hp's & federal american eagle 38gr hp's) -- been 100% with federal automatch 40gr solid, cci blazer 40gr solid, tippman arms 40gr plated solid (made by aguila), cci stinger 32gr hp, aguila supermaximum 30gr hp
yep got a Stribog A3 with the new curved mags and a 20 round straight mag. Over 600 rounds , no ftf, fte. Totally awesome added a SIG predator green dot and its lights out. Very accurate.
I own a Stribog A1 and it runs like a Singer sewing machine. They (Stribog) should have left well enough alone.
Two A3s I've used work fine also, except with the plastic/rubber coated bullets
My A1 is my absolute favorite gun to shoot! With that being said I own class 3 weapons too.
It has been nothing but reliable and feeds anything I put in the mags. All my friends that shoot it want one.
I am about to shoot the A-1 s Slovakian police model. So yes I am in Slovakia at the moment. I am excited about it but also all the other European hardware I will get to play with
I own a A1 and it runs fine.Maybe 4-6 malfunctions for 3000 rounds .All at the beginning with the +P+ spring but since i use the regular spring and no issue at all.
Slovak police have B&T APC9s...
The Stribog for the money is a great gun. I've owned 2 and they both run great.
Thanks I don’t understand the hate, I just got the glock variation of the stribog I love it
Sootch says the a3 is drastically different from the a1 but he'll say whatever they pay him to say
Exactly
Sootch produces product advertisements, not reviews
Yeah I enjoy his content, but he's a shill through and through. I don't trust his "reviews".
It is very different, thats why the A1 works better than the A3. LOL
Your absolute honesty is absolutely appreciated and highly valued. Keep the true grit honest reviews coming!
Thank Eric.
Love the honostly. Thanks for the heads up.
stribog surprised me but then i remembered you have a curse, love this channel!!!! keep up the good work
My one and only PCC is the CX4 storm 9mm. Lightweight, short, accurate and reliable
It's top of the PCC class.
Great video Tim! I appreciate you sharing your experiences with these firearms. I personally like my Extar 9mm pistol. I'm around 1200 rds total with 4 different brands of 9mm and still running great. Thank you
Surprised about the Stribog. It was hyped up, thanks for info.
The Grand Power is probably the least expensive of all of those. I’d be more disappointed to spend thousands on one of the others and have it fail.
Agreed. If I put down the thousands for the MPX or Vector, I would be irate.
Right?
@Julio Adorno-Rivera It makes absolutely zero sense. How does Sig finally fixing the MPX's issues a few years later have anything to do with the MPX he bought that he called a "dumpster fire"?
Sorry but if I spent $1800 on a firearm, Im gonna be more annoyed at it when it doesnt work any better than $650 firearm than I am at the $650 firearm.
@@p331083 because you already have the first iterations buyers. Tim does a vid and tells you they fixed it with the next iteration and then they get a second wave of buyers. Tim then puts a couple hundred into a barrel and all the fist gen customers stop complaining. All for the price of sending tim one or two guns. Literally what happened with mpx.
@Julio Adorno-Rivera I do have a soft spot for Sig. The Sig guys love telling everyone I'm a Sig basher... no, I'm not. I just share my experiences both positive and negative. It just so happened that for a while there I was getting a number of bad Sig products. They are capable of doing great things but I think more than anything they can be victims of their own success.
Tim, forgive me, but as someone who cares deeply about you, I just have to say this: we can all see clear as day that you are in a borderline masochistic relationship with SIG! 😂
haha great comment :)
You're only the millionth person to think that LOL
coming soon Grumpy old guy 5
Their relationship is
Sig sour
I thought you were going to mention the crawlspace wiring.
The A3 is hot garbage. The A1 gen 2s are good to go besides the magazines. Once you swith over to colt mags they are legit.
Very fun to shoot. Good crisp trigger, good ergo.
scorp mag lower is a champ as well.
Best pcc I have is the FX9. I feed it S&B and it runs extremely well. Never had a problem with it. I like the High Point 995 as well but I don't like how fiddly it is when you take it apart for cleaning.
Im looking to get a PCC and I thank you for your videos informing us of these problems . Keep up the great videos.
the Stribog is kind of like TF2 where valve isn't fixing or making anything so the community and third parties are.
As a TF2 player, I love this analogy.
TF2 what?
@@martinbaumgardner4432 Team Fortress 2
Valve is letting my favorite game die to bits.
I’m just happy there wasn’t a scorpion on the table 🙌
Why would there be one on the table, mags and firearm seem to work very reliably and the coast is right there.
I don’t own one “yet” but will as soon as gun/ammo gedone is over.
Their check arrived in time for the recording.
You sir have offended me! I challenge you to a duel! The stribog is an exceptional gun! We shall both choose from the pcc's on the table but I get first choice. And I choose.......the mpx
😂
A refreshingly forthright video--thanks for it. I'm loving every range trip with my Stribog SP9A3S and have had only 1 minor malfunction (with a flat-nosed reloaded round, mind you) with it in about 1000 rounds through it, but you've clearly had horrid experiences with the line. Perhaps with the "S" model, they've finally gotten it right. The curved 30-rounders and even the straight 20-rounders load ever so easily and are reliable to this point. I appreciate your opinions. No hate here! Rock on, and thanks for the quality content.
I have a couple Winchester 94 in .44 mag, super cool. Kel tec sub matching cz75 mags, super cool. I think it weighs like 5.5 pounds, low recoil, folds in half shooters like a dream.
I ran a Stribog for 1100 rounds before giving up. Out in the desert the mags slowly degraded and resulted in high failures rates. Most of which occurred near the end of the mag.
Also because the top of the receiver has large open cavities, if you try to fix the malfunction, and at any point tilt the gun up, there is a very good chance a empty casing will fall into the upper causing a quasi bolt override. It's a mess. This gun was so overhyped because of it's price; tons of reviewers reviewed positively because they shot barely over 300 rounds with it, and then gave it a positive pass.
I've had that issue and others. The mags are horrible which is why they keep changing them. I feel sorry for people investing hundreds in the the latest generation of mags when I know other mag generations are coming down the pipe. But if something is cheap enough people will buy it and even love it. It's what I call the Century Arms Syndrome.
I want to see Tim’s thoughts on an extar ep9.
I don't think I've seen anyone review one yet. I think they're pretty ugly guns for what it's worth.
I hate mine. Its ugly, and all plastic. With that said...its been reliable for numerous factory 115g fmj brass, a few different factory 124g fmj brass and federal aluminum cased 115g fmj rounds. And its been a very very accurate shot out to 30 yards with a cheap red dot. I mean VERY accurate.
@@matyd7945 there is a fella making aftermarket handguards for them now, and they are much much better looking than factory. It's also MLOK and makes them in 2 different lengths. Also, I have stockpiled Federal aluminum cased but was told that the Extar would not like aluminum. How much aluminum have you ran through yours?
A lot of guntubers have reviewed them including some over 2000 rds, checkout honest outlaw. I havent seen or heard of one with complaints other than little things like loctiting the screws. On the extar fb page a couple people have had issues with some part(maybe extractor) it got taken xare of under warranty though. The stock handguard is ugly and the stock fcg is polymer(but ar compatible). Its cheaper and lighter than any other ar9 though plus made in us. I believe aluminum cases is not a good idea because of the amount of polymer parts. Also the design has a gap where the brass gets flash marks(maybe its considered not fully supported chamber). I know with the cz scorpion youre not supposed to use aluminum case either and i believe some people gave had failures with the scorpion.
Ad Maty d said, theyre reliable and accurate, also cheap and light. A gun is a tool and in the end aesthetics should be the lowest priority, Look at glocks.
I wish I could thank my friends at Federal for sending me some ammo
Dang. Video is ruthless. Keep them coming.
Thank you for the info
Stormwerkz makes an aluminum mag well adapter for the Nak 9. I think the rear “bumper” could use some reinforcement (polymer over metal). I have a Nak -9 Draco and have been pretty happy with it. It’s not as nice as a KV-9, but it is nice that it uses Glock mags.
Sigh! I just picked up a Stribog today, Gen 2. Maybe it sits in a safe.
Just shoot it, I will agree the mags have issues that they could be made better and curved would be the way to go, but the rest of the gun is fine, I still have not had a problem with either of mine. They are accurate as well
The original ones are fine from what I've heard and seen. It looks like the a3 is the one having issues. Kind of disappointed that MAC shit on it without making that distinction.
On the bright side, I just saved a ton of money by not buying a Kriss Vector.
Worst subgun on the market.
I own a gen 2 vector, it’s never given me issues. Really cool show piece and fun to shoot.
@@SOOTHSLAYER14 you have not shot it enough obviously.
@@zachariahmorris833 obviously you know nothing about what I’ve done or what I’ve shot, I’m sharing my own personal experience, if yours has differed with this firearm then so be it. Trying to discredit my personal experience with “you have not shot it enough”, as to say what I’ve experienced is less valuable than what you have doesn’t help anyone and makes both you and I seem like idiots. Good day Sir.
@@SOOTHSLAYER14 so you haven't shot it very much? 🤣
On Sig abandoning early Generation guns and not supporting them...BS. They should take lessons from JRC. Bought one used and had issues with it being a very early model, JRC rebuilt it for FREE.
I have a stribog sp1 and I’ve had no issues. Way over 600 rds into it and no issues. And I bought it used.
Very shocked the Stribog founds its way on your list. I've seen the issues you had with it. Maybe I got lucky and got a good one. Never had the first issue out of mine. Runs any type of ammo I've ran through it. You have a good point on their mags though, they do such.
He's got an A3. Third gen. their attempt at a roller delayed system. The A1 and A2 which are straight blowback are perfectly fine with some mag issues if you use the wrong ammo.
@@bmagada I have the A1 and A3 my A1 runs without issue with both stick mags, my A3 i changed to the lingle lower and the magpul mags run without issue and lock open.
The sp9A1 is on the side of the A1 and A2 only change is on the sp9A3.. @billy magada , he clearly has a sp9A1 10:13