Yeah, I’m from Oregon, loved to wear Nike, I’m a Ducks fan (Nicknamed “Nike U”) but I’ve rapidly changed to an adidas guy, especially after I got into Hockey. Now the only Nike stuff I wear wear is the Ducks gear I own. All else is adidas, because I have yet to find evidence that they use child labor. If all else, I’ve already got a small UA collection.
Sawgmoney baller one how you brought apple into his is beyond me but two what kind of phone do you use? Because I can almost guarantee similar working conditions for the production of your phone. Regardless, this is a hockey video come on man.
Taken from a 2014 ESPN article- "The Blackhawks have been really genuine and open about meeting with the community and investing in the community," Podlasek said in a phone conversation. "More importantly, they're interested in learning about our culture and heritage rather than assuming what they've learned in the past is right." Podlasek has helped forge a relationship between the team and Native American soldiers. The team has honored them before games, including in the playoffs. There is a wall at the Trickster Gallery dedicated to this connection. The team has also invested with the American Indian Center, giving money and taking part in a dialogue." I've been a fan since the 80's, I'll continue to be no matter what they decide to do with the logo.
Under new leadership, the AIC ended their relationship with the Blackhawks organization a few years ago. I think in 2015? Just an FYI. So, I'm not sure how much education they still do at games. There's a really great article on The Athletic (Unfortunately behind a pay-wall) by Scott Powers that shows the different perspectives. theathletic.com/1888307/2020/06/25/is-it-time-for-the-chicago-blackhawks-to-drop-their-native-american-logo/?article_source=search&search_query=blackhawks
There was a recent article in The Athletic titled "Is it time for the Chicage Blackhawks to drop their Native American logo?" from June 25th by Scott Powers thats a pretty interesting read. Essentially it says that those relationships have broken down, and it was painted as if it was coming from within the Native American organisations with division between members, some who approve of the logo and working with the team and others who disapprove and wanted to cut ties. Really interesting read if you have the time. theathletic.com/1888307/2020/06/25/is-it-time-for-the-chicago-blackhawks-to-drop-their-native-american-logo/
I'm native American Even though I hate the team the name and logo is perfectly fine. And I know the majority of native I know don't mind the team. We just don't like the team cause we live in Minnesota
It's always white people initiating things like these, voicing what they think is the default opinion of the given minority. It's so silly. This has caused a Swedish team to investigate a pontential name/logo change. They're simply called Indians, and the logo isn't redskinned or anything, just an indian. But apparently that's offensive, because... I don't know lol
@@wuhr2790Exactly what I was going to say. It's always hysterical political correct white people in either fear of offending someone else, or trying to get a feel good buzz from it, that get offended by it. No one else cares.
"Blackhawks" is a reference to a specific individual. It's not a slur. He's remembered (and taken as a team name) for his admirable, heroic qualities. It's not a slur. _There is nothing wrong with it._ If someone's outraged about this "issue," they're just wrong. And you just have to tell them that they're wrong. They'll keep going otherwise.
Lmao how delusional do you have to be to think that the Blackhawks logo is somehow a dedication in "honor" of the real person. It isnt, its named after a military infantry division that has actually nothing to do with Chief Black Hawk, leader of the Sauk and Fox, a tribe traditionally located in the Great Lakes region, and later forced to live elsewhere. Apparently McLaughlin, the guy who named the team, either didn’t see or ignored the irony of honoring his army’s enemy with his hockey team’s name. The team’s official position is that it adopted the nickname of McLaughlin’s Army division, not the name of the Sauk and Fox chief. Context is key
It’s funny because the people who are outraged at this non issue literally have no knowledge or interest in the team at all. This might be the first time they found out the team exists lol
@David Ryan I hate both parties but it also tends to be liberals who are triggered by it. I hope the hawks never change their name. Been around for 100 years
@@YooperHatesOhioState It shouldn't be changed and the vast majority of people, including those with Native Heritage like myself, care about it. Not only is it liberals who complain, they're white too. They don't care.
Chief Wahoo was an exaggerated caricature. The word “redskin” has a derogatory connotation. The name “blackhawks” is a tribute to leader Black Hawk, a prominent figure in the military division (known as the blackhawk division) that then-owner Frederick McLaughin was in. Leave chicago alone. They are not in the same boat as the other two culprits
well your gonna have to just shut down looney tune cartoons and forbid any sense of humor in this new soft generation. it will be a sober generation of cry babies.
It is mostly white people who claim to speak on behalf of the North American native tribes who find this offensive, sadly. As if white people have the right to speak for others. Fucking ridiculous.
Josh Macdonald what’s more respectful than the braves? Thats literally what the best warriors were called. The only thing disrespectful about it is the team they put on the field.
Cultural appropriation is a stupid concept. People should feel free to wear or do whatever they want for personal expression. Just be tasteful/respectful is all.
I will say that if the logo should change, The black hawk with coloured feathers does look dope as hell. Im hating on the circumstances not the new logo.
I'm First Nations treaty. Keep the name and jersey! So many Chicago flags hang on peoples windows and it's awesome to see patches on people's dark jean jackets too.
@@dennis9707 Me too. 'Cause their planet will be ruined, resulting in shifted geostrategic realities like food insecurity, the checks and balances on their democratic institutions are being actively undermined by a mendacious and emotionally compromised pseudo-autocrat who is leading the flagship of economy of the post-WWII era (possibly into it's last gasp), hyper-corporatist realignment of real power has eroded the Western middle-class and the ever-growing wealth gap is seemingly unassailable, for some reason, it has become ever more permissible to advocate for lower taxes on the wealthy, so there are even fewer avenues for wealth distribution and the state of repair of basic American infrastructure is in measurable decline (Canada's not in so bad of shape in this regard), and their parents are racially insensitive, driving one more wedge into an increasingly fractured and hostile society that we have cooked up and waiting for them.
Was just told today the Realty Industry wants to change the name from "The Master Bedroom" to the "Primary Bedroom". I have White walls in my house with dark brown floors. I'm I a Racist since the White walls are above and I walk on the dark floors- Give me a Break. There are people that sit in there "Think Tanks" and examine every little thing to find something wrong with everything. The more we cave in, there more they will take and will never be satisfied.
That's not what a think tank is. Also, I think you should cave where it is compassionate and appropriate and don't where there is genuinely no reason to (like with the Blackhawks name and jersey, maybe). You will ruin the society you live in with rules of conduct like "I refuse to change anything that is wrong because I don't want to change anything that is right."
@Atheos B. Sapien That can't be all conservatives. Just the squeakiest wheels? Surely many if not most people want to be good people, they just don't realize how hurtful their beliefs are, and are in some cultural echo chamber that leaves those belief paradigms unchallenged, so they never have to think about it...
Just because it's the "best" native logo doesn't make it okay. Native logos in general are offensive and make Indigious people seem like savages and animals (which were slurs used against them in the past).
Joshua Fisette uhh the Saux tribe. Literally the Native American community of Chicago and Illinois as a whole love the logo and don’t want to change it. Unlike some snowflakes
They shouldn’t even consider changing the name. It is fierce, badass, rebellious, and one of the best logos in the NHL. We can’t bow down to political correctness here because for the social justice mob, there is no limit, there is no endpoint. It will never be good enough for them. We have to stand up for our shared values, our shared history, including the history of the Native Americans. The Blackhawks is a part of that history and an integral piece of hockey history as part of the Original 6.
@@AmperfleX Bullets was changed, not because it's offensive or threatening, but because of the anti gun agenda. Hitmen doesn't fall into that category. I actually didn't know that name started with Bret Hart. Makes sense but I never knew
The bullets name was changed due to the high rate of gun violence in DC at the time. *gun violence is still high, but, not as much as it was in the 90s.*
I would be very upset to see this logo go. It's historic. Very beautiful. And done in a respectful and honoring way. And that's coming from a blues fan!
This idea of banning the headdress as being sacrilegious at games is also ridiculous, as fans certainly don't mean it that way. How many rock stars wear the Christian cross in a truly sacrilegious way - yet no stadiums ban them.
The thing about the Seminoles for Florida State is this, they got permission by the Seminole tribe in Florida to use the name! Not many people know that, but they got specific permission to use it.
They have permission from the Seminole tribe of Florida, but the Seminole tribe of Oklahoma doesn’t support it. (They’re historically the same tribe. But, in the 19th century were forced to move from the Everglades, westward: most moved, but a few stayed in (what is now Florida).
My first NHL hockey game was on March 4, 1964 at the Boston Garden. Bruins and the Chicago BLACK HAWKS played to a 5-5 tie. They are the CHICAGO BLACK HAWKS. Stand up Chicago, Bettmen, NHL fans. Look who are sitting in the seats. Black Hawk fans.
For me, as an NFL fan, the Redskins are a completely different situation to the other native american named teams...the word redskin has been used as a slur in the past and Native American organisations have come out against it (i remember a Superbowl ad a few years ago as an example). It's very hard to argue that the team is "honouring" the native american culture when it's the people who you're "honouring" are the ones campaigning against it. I don't believe the Blackhawks is offence as, from what I've read, the name is in honour of a particular person...however, I'm a white guy and it's not my place to say what is and isnt offensive to another community.
Agreed. But you are trying to tell the people who are not being very reasonable. They are just looking for things to be offended about, and nobody told them that the world doesn't revolve around them.
i’m native american and the blackhawks logo and name doesn’t bother me and i actually like it, i see medallions (beaded necklaces) done with that logo around my reservation
As a Blackhawks fan, I like that the team has hosted Sak tribal dances before home games, particularly in November. If the team wasn't named after Chief Black Hawk, I probably wouldn't have bothered to read about him. Also, a bill was introduced in the Illinois state senate in February to require that sports teams in the state need approval from a tribe within 500 miles in order to use native imagery, however I think this is mostly aimed at high school and college football teams, though. I'm not going to say whether the logo is offensive or not, that's for the Sak people to decide, really, but I think there's a genuine attempt for it to *not* be seen that way. The Washington NFL team definitely needs to be renamed though, same with Cleveland's baseball team.
When I see the Hawks logo, I think more of the old North Dakota Fighting Sioux. Being in Winnipeg got to see allot of ND games on TV as a kid. With their rebranding a few years back, I don't know what their name is anymore. Heck I don't even know if ND still exists anymore without the Sioux lol
The Johnstown Chiefs left town in 2010 and are now the Greenville Swamp Rabbits. But Johnstown got a team in NAHL and now are known the as the Tomahawks
all the age groups of youth hockey in my hometown use the 'hawks logo. one age group even is blackhawks. when i played we had 7 Cree boys and they liked it
my friend is a native american guy he loves sports watches hockey , baseball , football itc , he doesnt care about the Blackhawks logo as the matter of fact he loves it ! its his favorite jersey !
I just think it is funny that the actual native tribes of the Sioux voted to actually keep the names of Fighting Sioux for the NCAA team in North Dakota.
Fun fact: I worked with a Native American gentleman who was a DIE HARD Redskins fan. The name didn't bother him at all, he thought of it as a badge of honor, even. Fun fact #2: He told me that, in certain Native American cultures, "redskin" isn't an insult. The name, again among certain tribes, is derived from their warriors painting their faces and bodies with red ochre. I think the only name that's really offensive (though I am a white guy, so it's probably not my place to say what people of another race should or shouldn't find offensive) is Indians -- as Columbus called them Indians because he was searching for India. Indians are from India. Native American =/= Indian. Blackhawks, Braves, Seminoles, Warriors, Chiefs, etc. are complimentary from my point of view (though again, I'm a white guy so my point of view doesn't mean much on this topic) and are no different than Vikings or Irish or Canucks, even.
When Hawks won in 2010. I had a blast. “Power to the Indian!!!!” It’s not racist. The team with Indian head logo was winning. I’m a full blood native. If folks don’t like it? So be it. I was just hoping to see headlines: “Indians win the World!!!! (series) “ I thought that would be something cool to frame n hang on my wall. I just hope Washington doesn’t start kicking ass once the logo changes n everything.
Honestly, if we can’t call a team Indians, why can we call teams, fighting Irish, Irish, Yankees, or Canucks? Also, every single name on that board, aside from Redskins are perfectly fine. Edit: add Celtics to the list of names from the top
Why is that basketball team "Celtics" not pronounced like the Celtic people? I've never understood it. The leprechaun suggests it means to refer to the Celts, no?
Pronounced "Sawk" by most natives of Wisconsin and Illinois. Black Hawk statue on the Rock River a local icon. No apology needed for "Jonestown". I hope most knew it just a mistake. Especially if you don't like Kool-Aid.
Hawks fan here. The climate has been shifting toward a logo change for awhile now. As long as they keep the chain stitching and basic uniform style, it doesn’t really matter to me. It’ll be a lot of noise when they do change it, and people will boycott, and then there will be an exciting player (or hopefully team) and people will go back.
I will stop watching hockey altogether and give up my season tickets of 35 years if they change the name or log. I will not spend another cent on hockey. Period!
Corporations don’t want to change their names. That costs money. It’s the woke Twitter liberals that want all these name changes without achieving any of their other goals who are asking for this stuff.
Do the Canucks now have to change their logo since the orca was seen as an appropriation of first nations art? Or do people lack the wherewithal to understand context about a certain logo or name?
Dick Irvin Jr who's father was the first captain of the Black Hawks said in the Legends Of Hockey done by TSN that it was named after the Black Hawk Restaurant cause Major McLaughlin wanted publicity for his restaurant.
its practically the same logo the Blackhawks logo has more feathers and their colored where as the Redskins logo the feathers are white with a yellow base. and hes facing the opposite way....
Time after time, year after year American Indians DO NOT FIND THE NAME OFFENSIVE. If you don't like the name of a team, any team, buy the team and change the name. The name honors an Army division AND Black Hawk himself.
Worth adding to the conversation is that another team under fire for an insensitive name and logo for many years, the North Dakota Fighting Sioux, officially became the Fighting Hawks in 2012.
Sorry... it’s proud and inspiring logo . This is nothing more than a group of people who think another group “should be” offended and are imposing their beliefs in their name. I hate what society has devolved to.
I get how the Redskins one can be offensive, and I’m completely ok and open to a rebrand from them. But the Blackhawks? I honestly cannot see how that can possibly be offensive. Just because someone uses a Native American in a logo doesn’t mean it’s offensive unless they are deliberately depicting it in a way where it’s offensive. The Blackhawks logo, to me, is way far away from that. I’m a Nashville fan, and I absolutely love the Blackhawks logo because it’s such a cool looking logo. On top of that, the name “Blackhawks” may just be one of the coolest name in sports.
The Washington Football Club has a significant amount of Native fans. That needs to be part of the conversation. I don’t know if that “significant amount” of Native fans compares to the amount of native people that are offended by the name, but nobody does. I just think we should sanity check ourselves before we change the name of the team. Just for the record I, as a fan of the team, would be fine with a name change, but I don’t want the name to change unless we do find out that it offends more Native people than support the name. Lastly the owner of the team loves the name so don’t be shocked of the name doesn’t change, all the team has said is that they will look into it.
I was raised in Chicago and a Hawk fan since i ws a kid which was over 60 years ago. Blackhawk was ALWAYS a reference of respect. ALWAYS. BLACKHAWK fans have always viewed the team name with respect and admiration and NOTHING ELSE. SCREW ANYBODY EKSE who thinks otherwise.
One thing to note.....the Johnstown chiefs no longer exist. That particular team moved to South Carolina. However, there is a new team in the NAHL that is based in Johnstown. They are the Johnstown Tomahawks.
As a native I personally think it's about respecting the culture/people. I think the Blackhawks/braves/chiefs logos/names are respectful. Where as redskins is straight up derogatory slang. The Indians I see as a derogatory word as well you see a lot of native people in these comments calling themselves "natives" rather than "indians". Not to mention the chief Wahoo logo lol
I've been to Native American markets in the summertime, and I remember they would sell Chiefs and Braves jerseys. The Redskins logo is similar to the Blackhawks logo and the Florida Seminoles. Only the name can be deemed offensive. Maybe the Redskins name could be changed to a tribal name. Many Irish are fans of the Notre Dame Fighting Irish football team, and that's a negative stereotype about Irish people. I'm opposed to them changing the name right now though. If the Redskins dig in and refuse, it might stop the nonsense. Someone has to refuse to go along with the mob to stop it, otherwise it will keep going. Most of the people complaining are not fans, and even less are fans of these teams. For the most part, it's outsiders trying to pressure others, and they will not stop. Look at the statues coming down in the USA, no one is safe. If Washington decides rebranding is right, they should tell the NFL they'll do it, but not now. Tell the mob to f-off, and then do it yourself when nobody expects it. Also, many NA are fans of these teams. They always trot out an offended NA to spearhead these attacks, but the reality is most NA do not care. Finally, to me it is respectful to have these names and logos. It seems like the end result of this will be further erasing NAs from our culture. Like with Land O'Lakes logo, they got rid of the native and kept the Land.
I am hispanic-indigenous (just stating before I state my opinion) I do find the name 'redskins' itself referring to a native American as offensive (Imagine doing this to any other race or ethnicity). I agree that it has to be changed. I had the same problem with the Cleveland Indians logo back in the day before they distanced themselves from it. It is outdated to refer to them as Indians, and the logo was a stereotypical looney tunes caricature, it is like punching down on natives. However, I must admit, I never had the same thoughts for Blackhawks. I understood the basic history behind the name (and I understand it even better now thanks to you) I also think the logo is tasteful compared to other counterparts. I think them using alternate logos (like the hawk or the fighter jet) on their third jersey to show people that blackhawks means different things would be nice. I personally don't mind having native americans symbolism or imagery being used in sports (I think its great that Atlanta Braves changed their mascot and only uses a tomhawk on their logo now, not a fan of teams that sell foam tomahawks but thats a personal opinion), I just think it should be tasteful or subtle. Deciding what's tasteful or not is another matter but I think Redskins is one that isnt. At the end of the day, we have to recognize that we have a messed up history. Despite none of us taking part of it in a direct manner, some of us benefit from it, and others are a at a disadvantage because of it. I think its good to talk about whether or not its appropriate or outdated for a professional sports team to carry some of these logos/names. It's even more important that we help these communities that are at a disadvantage. It would be great if the teams that take the likeness of natives to also help their indigenous communities, not as PR, but because they can, and its the right thing to do. P.S. There sure are lots of native americans in your comments apparently.
So full disclosure I am a Hawks fan, but I don't think they need to change a thing. Our logo isn't a caricature, our team name isn't a slur, our mascot isn't a native person, and there's no tomahawk chop or headdress wearing pushed by the team. The franchise has been nothing but respectful. In the event that we drop the logo, I could see just using the feathers from our current logo as the new logo or a varient of the hawk logo. The name should stay no matter what, rebrand with actual black hawks used on merch like tommy hawk.
As a die hard Blackhawks fan for my entire life, if they ever changed the name or the logo I would never support or watch the team ever again. I would just have to become a fan of a different team. Especially because the Blackhawks support native communities and honor native veterans at almost all home games. They use the name out of respect for the brave native warriors it is not meant to be offensive or to disparage native peoples.
Also Nike trying to take the high road while using child labour is extremely ironic
Yeah, I’m from Oregon, loved to wear Nike, I’m a Ducks fan (Nicknamed “Nike U”) but I’ve rapidly changed to an adidas guy, especially after I got into Hockey. Now the only Nike stuff I wear wear is the Ducks gear I own. All else is adidas, because I have yet to find evidence that they use child labor. If all else, I’ve already got a small UA collection.
@Sawgmoney baller no please dont associate me with your moronic rhetoric
Advertisement is like magic. It's all about misdirection.
Sawgmoney baller one how you brought apple into his is beyond me but two what kind of phone do you use? Because I can almost guarantee similar working conditions for the production of your phone. Regardless, this is a hockey video come on man.
A-Cell i also have changed from wearing Nike to Adidas clothing
Taken from a 2014 ESPN article- "The Blackhawks have been really genuine and open about meeting with the community and investing in the community," Podlasek said in a phone conversation. "More importantly, they're interested in learning about our culture and heritage rather than assuming what they've learned in the past is right."
Podlasek has helped forge a relationship between the team and Native American soldiers. The team has honored them before games, including in the playoffs. There is a wall at the Trickster Gallery dedicated to this connection.
The team has also invested with the American Indian Center, giving money and taking part in a dialogue." I've been a fan since the 80's, I'll continue to be no matter what they decide to do with the logo.
Under new leadership, the AIC ended their relationship with the Blackhawks organization a few years ago. I think in 2015? Just an FYI. So, I'm not sure how much education they still do at games. There's a really great article on The Athletic (Unfortunately behind a pay-wall) by Scott Powers that shows the different perspectives.
theathletic.com/1888307/2020/06/25/is-it-time-for-the-chicago-blackhawks-to-drop-their-native-american-logo/?article_source=search&search_query=blackhawks
It's the same with the Seminoles in Florida. They got approval from the tribe to use the name and logo and give a lot back to the Seminole tribe.
There was a recent article in The Athletic titled "Is it time for the Chicage Blackhawks to drop their Native American logo?" from June 25th by Scott Powers thats a pretty interesting read. Essentially it says that those relationships have broken down, and it was painted as if it was coming from within the Native American organisations with division between members, some who approve of the logo and working with the team and others who disapprove and wanted to cut ties. Really interesting read if you have the time. theathletic.com/1888307/2020/06/25/is-it-time-for-the-chicago-blackhawks-to-drop-their-native-american-logo/
I'm native American Even though I hate the team the name and logo is perfectly fine. And I know the majority of native I know don't mind the team. We just don't like the team cause we live in Minnesota
It's always white people initiating things like these, voicing what they think is the default opinion of the given minority. It's so silly. This has caused a Swedish team to investigate a pontential name/logo change. They're simply called Indians, and the logo isn't redskinned or anything, just an indian. But apparently that's offensive, because... I don't know lol
@@wuhr2790Exactly what I was going to say. It's always hysterical political correct white people in either fear of offending someone else, or trying to get a feel good buzz from it, that get offended by it. No one else cares.
@@wuhr2790 I thought you were gonna say they are investigating the "Minnesota Vikings".
LETS GO WILD
I know right
The war of 1812 making its way into a video was awesome lol.
"Blackhawks" is a reference to a specific individual. It's not a slur. He's remembered (and taken as a team name) for his admirable, heroic qualities. It's not a slur. _There is nothing wrong with it._
If someone's outraged about this "issue," they're just wrong. And you just have to tell them that they're wrong. They'll keep going otherwise.
Lmao how delusional do you have to be to think that the Blackhawks logo is somehow a dedication in "honor" of the real person. It isnt, its named after a military infantry division that has actually nothing to do with Chief Black Hawk, leader of the Sauk and Fox, a tribe traditionally located in the Great Lakes region, and later forced to live elsewhere. Apparently McLaughlin, the guy who named the team, either didn’t see or ignored the irony of honoring his army’s enemy with his hockey team’s name. The team’s official position is that it adopted the nickname of McLaughlin’s Army division, not the name of the Sauk and Fox chief. Context is key
It’s funny because the people who are outraged at this non issue literally have no knowledge or interest in the team at all. This might be the first time they found out the team exists lol
@David Ryan I hate both parties but it also tends to be liberals who are triggered by it. I hope the hawks never change their name. Been around for 100 years
@@YooperHatesOhioState It shouldn't be changed and the vast majority of people, including those with Native Heritage like myself, care about it. Not only is it liberals who complain, they're white too. They don't care.
@@danh5810 They're white people trying to be PC and/or fight others' fights.
Chief Wahoo was an exaggerated caricature.
The word “redskin” has a derogatory connotation.
The name “blackhawks” is a tribute to leader Black Hawk, a prominent figure in the military division (known as the blackhawk division) that then-owner Frederick McLaughin was in.
Leave chicago alone. They are not in the same boat as the other two culprits
Please stop using facts and logic it’s offending me
The SJWs will move the goalposts.
@@tomahawk238 Maybe that's why Chicago hasn't been doing well.
@Atheos B. Sapien band leader and warrior Black Hawk. Is that precise enough for you?
well your gonna have to just shut down looney tune cartoons and forbid any sense of humor in this new soft generation. it will be a sober generation of cry babies.
'What are they gonna do, throw them out in blank jerseys?'
Don't give Seattle any ideas!!!
The Seattle Human Beings.
Neon Pineapple that’s not inclusive of people who identify with plants, animals, or “other”, not PC enough for Seattle. 😉
@@vooswing The Seattle Atoms.
Underrated comment
Seattle Climate Pledge
I live in a mostly native area, and people love their Blackhawks jerseys.
Matt You think anyone who isn’t racist is a “woke leftist”. Maybe try listening to actual people instead of the strawmen that you made up in your head
Atheos B. Sapien funny. This card that the government makes me carry says I’m Indian
@@antiantiderivative Try listening to the Indigenous people I think they have say.
The Chicago Blackhawks have one of the most iconic logos in the sports world. The logo and name isn’t racist in any way.
As a native person it has never bothered me
It is mostly white people who claim to speak on behalf of the North American native tribes who find this offensive, sadly. As if white people have the right to speak for others. Fucking ridiculous.
Yeah, but you have a brain. Its offensive to people without brains.
Think about them. they get to tell you what you should be offended by.
it seems more respectful then the team NFL Washington, also I feel the braves can do it in a respectful way.
@@allghilliedup21 I couldn't agree with you more (and I'm white).
Josh Macdonald what’s more respectful than the braves? Thats literally what the best warriors were called. The only thing disrespectful about it is the team they put on the field.
What is the line between cultural appropriation and cultural appreciation? People need to lighten up.
Excellent comment
As someone who isn't an Indigenous person, my opinion doesn't hold weight.
At the same time we need to have discussions to determine that line, and that's only going to happen if percieved issues are brought up.
Cultural appropriation is a stupid concept. People should feel free to wear or do whatever they want for personal expression. Just be tasteful/respectful is all.
Why can't us native Americans have anything cool?
Because woke white people feel offended for other people
The Blackhawks logo is voted often as the best logo in all sports! Becouse it’s freakin cool!! Just leave it as it is.
I mean we carved you a helluva sculpture on your mountain! What more do you want?! Lol
I will say that if the logo should change, The black hawk with coloured feathers does look dope as hell. Im hating on the circumstances not the new logo.
@@MMGJ10 bruh what
I'm First Nations treaty. Keep the name and jersey! So many Chicago flags hang on peoples windows and it's awesome to see patches on people's dark jean jackets too.
Original 6.... There's a reason behind the name and it doesn't come from a bad place period.
Who else is embarrassed to be alive when things are this stupid?
Yeah, this is getting so pathetic
I weep for the next generation.
@@dennis9707 Me too. 'Cause their planet will be ruined, resulting in shifted geostrategic realities like food insecurity, the checks and balances on their democratic institutions are being actively undermined by a mendacious and emotionally compromised pseudo-autocrat who is leading the flagship of economy of the post-WWII era (possibly into it's last gasp), hyper-corporatist realignment of real power has eroded the Western middle-class and the ever-growing wealth gap is seemingly unassailable, for some reason, it has become ever more permissible to advocate for lower taxes on the wealthy, so there are even fewer avenues for wealth distribution and the state of repair of basic American infrastructure is in measurable decline (Canada's not in so bad of shape in this regard), and their parents are racially insensitive, driving one more wedge into an increasingly fractured and hostile society that we have cooked up and waiting for them.
@@sadrevolution exactly so we have no time for word games.
@@dennis9707 Welp. Not much I can say to that.
I'm pretty sure Florida State has a close relationship with the tribe. The logo and mascot were designed and approved by them.
Interesting, the Seminole's have some of the coolest uniforms in the NCAA.
Didn’t they use the tomahawk chop before? The braves were looked down upon for it
@@slapshotjack9806 still are
Times change, and those folks might not even still be alive, so it too is fair game in this time of insanity
Was just told today the Realty Industry wants to change the name from "The Master Bedroom" to the "Primary Bedroom". I have White walls in my house with dark brown floors. I'm I a Racist since the White walls are above and I walk on the dark floors- Give me a Break. There are people that sit in there "Think Tanks" and examine every little thing to find something wrong with everything. The more we cave in, there more they will take and will never be satisfied.
That's not what a think tank is. Also, I think you should cave where it is compassionate and appropriate and don't where there is genuinely no reason to (like with the Blackhawks name and jersey, maybe). You will ruin the society you live in with rules of conduct like "I refuse to change anything that is wrong because I don't want to change anything that is right."
@Atheos B. Sapien That can't be all conservatives. Just the squeakiest wheels? Surely many if not most people want to be good people, they just don't realize how hurtful their beliefs are, and are in some cultural echo chamber that leaves those belief paradigms unchallenged, so they never have to think about it...
I’m just concerned that I’m going to have to sell my cottage up at Great Slave lake! 😂
The Blackhawks have the best jersey in sports, Europe included.
I wouldn't say the best
Fact. From the UK.
KingKnightBoss most people would
Cars Mayer nope.
Hell no they don’t
Damn, that jersey and hat combo looks real sharp.
Patrick sharp? Sorry had to do it
Unlike the Cleveland Indians logo this one isn't offensive in any way
Maurice Richard I would like is they redesigned chief whaoo be more like the Blackhawks logo and less racist.
says a white guy, probably
It's probably the best representation of an native american there is in sports alongside the Spokane Indians from the Northeast League in baseball
Just because it's the "best" native logo doesn't make it okay. Native logos in general are offensive and make Indigious people seem like savages and animals (which were slurs used against them in the past).
Ikr? Imagine a white person thinking they have a right to an opinion. They should know their place and not get uppity, right? Check your bigotry.
If the Blackhawks change their name and logo, I’m never watching nhl hockey again
The tribe itself said they are fine with the name and logo. A lot even watch the team play
What tribe??
Joshua Fisette uhh the Saux tribe. Literally the Native American community of Chicago and Illinois as a whole love the logo and don’t want to change it. Unlike some snowflakes
Greendeath ironic the only tribe that have a problem are in Quebec
Harold Lawson they really don’t have much of a say cause they’re named after a man who came from a non-Canadian tribe
They shouldn’t even consider changing the name. It is fierce, badass, rebellious, and one of the best logos in the NHL. We can’t bow down to political correctness here because for the social justice mob, there is no limit, there is no endpoint. It will never be good enough for them. We have to stand up for our shared values, our shared history, including the history of the Native Americans. The Blackhawks is a part of that history and an integral piece of hockey history as part of the Original 6.
I'm offended by how pussified we are that we had to change the Washington Bullets name.
But the Calgary Hitmen in the WHL are fine because they werebased/funded/partly owned once by Bret Hart.
@@AmperfleX Bullets was changed, not because it's offensive or threatening, but because of the anti gun agenda.
Hitmen doesn't fall into that category.
I actually didn't know that name started with Bret Hart.
Makes sense but I never knew
The bullets name was changed due to the high rate of gun violence in DC at the time. *gun violence is still high, but, not as much as it was in the 90s.*
@@christinabuettner2418 *THANK GOD IT WORKED* lmao
We leave in a time where everyone is offended, that's on them!!!!! God help this world
when are we going to cancel the minority of people that want to cancel everything??
Seriously. One good "fuck off" is all it takes. They never have any response to it
I would be very upset to see this logo go. It's historic. Very beautiful. And done in a respectful and honoring way. And that's coming from a blues fan!
NOPE. I'm a stars fan but one of the most beautiful jerseys in NHL is the Blackhawks. Doesn't seem offensive.
This idea of banning the headdress as being sacrilegious at games is also ridiculous, as fans certainly don't mean it that way.
How many rock stars wear the Christian cross in a truly sacrilegious way - yet no stadiums ban them.
The thing about the Seminoles for Florida State is this, they got permission by the Seminole tribe in Florida to use the name! Not many people know that, but they got specific permission to use it.
Seth Griffith That I have no problem with. Not only were given permission, but FSU does give back to the Seminole tribe. Fine with me.
They have permission from the Seminole tribe of Florida, but the Seminole tribe of Oklahoma doesn’t support it. (They’re historically the same tribe. But, in the 19th century were forced to move from the Everglades, westward: most moved, but a few stayed in (what is now Florida).
My first NHL hockey game was on March 4, 1964 at the Boston Garden. Bruins and the Chicago BLACK HAWKS played to a 5-5 tie. They are the CHICAGO BLACK HAWKS. Stand up Chicago, Bettmen, NHL fans. Look who are sitting in the seats. Black Hawk fans.
There should be no way that this team name should be changed if anything it is a respectful homage to who it is named after
Someone will be offended by anything. You’ll never please them. They constantly look for the next thing to cry about. Keep the logos.
Yea it’s so cringe when people try to appease the mobs. These people will never be satisfied and really all this is giant anti white agenda
Pretty much
Not just someone, but the American left wing
@MMGJ09 that’s what I’ve been saying
its literally an homage, and its the coolest logo and name in sports, im not even a blackhawks fan at ALL but its sick as fuck
The reason Redskins memorabilia doesn’t sell is because they suck, not because their called the Redskins smh 🤦🏻♂️
My man did his homework
For me, as an NFL fan, the Redskins are a completely different situation to the other native american named teams...the word redskin has been used as a slur in the past and Native American organisations have come out against it (i remember a Superbowl ad a few years ago as an example). It's very hard to argue that the team is "honouring" the native american culture when it's the people who you're "honouring" are the ones campaigning against it.
I don't believe the Blackhawks is offence as, from what I've read, the name is in honour of a particular person...however, I'm a white guy and it's not my place to say what is and isnt offensive to another community.
You sound soft
The redskins name isn’t derogatory it’s in reference to the paint that they wore when they went to battle it’s a sign of being a warrior
Agreed. But you are trying to tell the people who are not being very reasonable. They are just looking for things to be offended about, and nobody told them that the world doesn't revolve around them.
Being reasonable in today's society is an anomaly and impossible to find
nah, lets just keep it how it is.
Blackhawks have the best jersey... hands down. I do like the thump nail too
Anyone who thinks they should change their name and logo shouldn't be allowed to watch hockey because they have no respect for the history.
So if you have an opinion on something you don't get to watch? Yeah, that makes sense.
@@yvonnevzp yes
That's just rediculous.
@@yvonnevzp Ridiculous*
Wish I would have kept my old Blackhawk Joisey.
They won’t change it and I don’t want them to
i’m native american and the blackhawks logo and name doesn’t bother me and i actually like it, i see medallions (beaded necklaces) done with that logo around my reservation
As a Blackhawks fan, I like that the team has hosted Sak tribal dances before home games, particularly in November. If the team wasn't named after Chief Black Hawk, I probably wouldn't have bothered to read about him.
Also, a bill was introduced in the Illinois state senate in February to require that sports teams in the state need approval from a tribe within 500 miles in order to use native imagery, however I think this is mostly aimed at high school and college football teams, though.
I'm not going to say whether the logo is offensive or not, that's for the Sak people to decide, really, but I think there's a genuine attempt for it to *not* be seen that way. The Washington NFL team definitely needs to be renamed though, same with Cleveland's baseball team.
When I see the Hawks logo, I think more of the old North Dakota Fighting Sioux.
Being in Winnipeg got to see allot of ND games on TV as a kid. With their rebranding a few years back, I don't know what their name is anymore. Heck I don't even know if ND still exists anymore without the Sioux lol
Woah i didnt even know they changed the logo and name! I always thought they had the old logo along with the "Fighting Sioux". That is a bummer
The Johnstown Chiefs left town in 2010 and are now the Greenville Swamp Rabbits. But Johnstown got a team in NAHL and now are known the as the Tomahawks
It’s frustrating to see a team with a ton of history like the Blackhawks have people calling for it to be renamed
all the age groups of youth hockey in my hometown use the 'hawks logo. one age group even is blackhawks. when i played we had 7 Cree boys and they liked it
I came for the name discussion after Cleveland finally changed. I stayed to learn more vampire lore of Steve Bettman.
my friend is a native american guy he loves sports watches hockey , baseball , football itc , he doesnt care about the Blackhawks logo as the matter of fact he loves it ! its his favorite jersey !
I just think it is funny that the actual native tribes of the Sioux voted to actually keep the names of Fighting Sioux for the NCAA team in North Dakota.
Neon Pineapple doubt that. I hope you know the word Sioux is a derogatory term. Like Eskimo lmfao
Neon Pineapple what’s funny is all these made up stories I’m reading
Fun fact: I worked with a Native American gentleman who was a DIE HARD Redskins fan. The name didn't bother him at all, he thought of it as a badge of honor, even.
Fun fact #2: He told me that, in certain Native American cultures, "redskin" isn't an insult. The name, again among certain tribes, is derived from their warriors painting their faces and bodies with red ochre.
I think the only name that's really offensive (though I am a white guy, so it's probably not my place to say what people of another race should or shouldn't find offensive) is Indians -- as Columbus called them Indians because he was searching for India. Indians are from India. Native American =/= Indian.
Blackhawks, Braves, Seminoles, Warriors, Chiefs, etc. are complimentary from my point of view (though again, I'm a white guy so my point of view doesn't mean much on this topic) and are no different than Vikings or Irish or Canucks, even.
What about the shawinigan cataraches
When Hawks won in 2010.
I had a blast.
“Power to the Indian!!!!”
It’s not racist. The team with Indian head logo was winning. I’m a full blood native.
If folks don’t like it? So be it.
I was just hoping to see headlines: “Indians win the World!!!! (series) “
I thought that would be something cool to frame n hang on my wall.
I just hope Washington doesn’t start kicking ass once the logo changes n everything.
One looks more like a hawk and the other one looks more like a human face
Honestly, if we can’t call a team Indians, why can we call teams, fighting Irish, Irish, Yankees, or Canucks?
Also, every single name on that board, aside from Redskins are perfectly fine.
Edit: add Celtics to the list of names from the top
Why is that basketball team "Celtics" not pronounced like the Celtic people? I've never understood it. The leprechaun suggests it means to refer to the Celts, no?
sadrevolution I suppose
Pronounced "Sawk" by most natives of Wisconsin and Illinois. Black Hawk statue on the Rock River a local icon. No apology needed for "Jonestown". I hope most knew it just a mistake. Especially if you don't like Kool-Aid.
I hate name change but with teams I understand it.
Finally got to the war of 1812.. proud of you Shannon!
Hawks fan here. The climate has been shifting toward a logo change for awhile now. As long as they keep the chain stitching and basic uniform style, it doesn’t really matter to me. It’ll be a lot of noise when they do change it, and people will boycott, and then there will be an exciting player (or hopefully team) and people will go back.
I will stop watching hockey altogether and give up my season tickets of 35 years if they change the name or log. I will not spend another cent on hockey. Period!
Working class: "we want healthcare and socioeconomic justice"
Corporations everywhere: "all I can offer is a name change and a rainbow sidewalk"
The rainbow sidewalk is a municipal government gesture (and a lovely one. Thank you). Otherwise, yeah.
Corporations don’t want to change their names. That costs money. It’s the woke Twitter liberals that want all these name changes without achieving any of their other goals who are asking for this stuff.
Derp
I can’t imagine waking up everyday and being offended by everything
Do the Canucks now have to change their logo since the orca was seen as an appropriation of first nations art? Or do people lack the wherewithal to understand context about a certain logo or name?
Dick Irvin Jr who's father was the first captain of the Black Hawks said in the Legends Of Hockey done by TSN that it was named after the Black Hawk Restaurant cause Major McLaughlin wanted publicity for his restaurant.
“I love the Blackhawks logo”, also “I won’t buy Redskins gear” the logos are pretty similar lol.
its practically the same logo the Blackhawks logo has more feathers and their colored where as the Redskins logo the feathers are white with a yellow base. and hes facing the opposite way....
Time after time, year after year American Indians DO NOT FIND THE NAME OFFENSIVE.
If you don't like the name of a team, any team, buy the team and change the name.
The name honors an Army division AND Black Hawk himself.
There's absolutely no issue with a sports team being named after Indians. I'm native and I don't care in the slightest. I hate this PC crap
I think with Chicago just literally make It a Black coloured animal hawk
Just watch, when there’s no Native team names, it’ll be called Native Erasure and racist because we only use White names like Spartans or Vikings.
Worth adding to the conversation is that another team under fire for an insensitive name and logo for many years, the North Dakota Fighting Sioux, officially became the Fighting Hawks in 2012.
They actually had no mascot from 2012-2016 became the fighting hawks in early 2016
Clark Griswold would be incensed by this
Sorry... it’s proud and inspiring logo . This is nothing more than a group of people who think another group “should be” offended and are imposing their beliefs in their name. I hate what society has devolved to.
This is a war on fun. Also, feels before reals.
I get how the Redskins one can be offensive, and I’m completely ok and open to a rebrand from them. But the Blackhawks? I honestly cannot see how that can possibly be offensive. Just because someone uses a Native American in a logo doesn’t mean it’s offensive unless they are deliberately depicting it in a way where it’s offensive. The Blackhawks logo, to me, is way far away from that. I’m a Nashville fan, and I absolutely love the Blackhawks logo because it’s such a cool looking logo. On top of that, the name “Blackhawks” may just be one of the coolest name in sports.
1:03 Shannon is a psychic confirmed
The Washington Football Club has a significant amount of Native fans. That needs to be part of the conversation. I don’t know if that “significant amount” of Native fans compares to the amount of native people that are offended by the name, but nobody does. I just think we should sanity check ourselves before we change the name of the team. Just for the record I, as a fan of the team, would be fine with a name change, but I don’t want the name to change unless we do find out that it offends more Native people than support the name. Lastly the owner of the team loves the name so don’t be shocked of the name doesn’t change, all the team has said is that they will look into it.
I'm sorry, but everytime I hear Shannon say "the war of 1812", I expect conspiracy theories to follow.
Only two sports I’ll still watch MLB and NHL so done with the NFL it’s a joke
Considering the NFL made 16 Billion last year I think they will be fine without you
Cleveland is about to change their name from what I heard today
FYI- Technically, the KC Chiefs (NFL) are named after a non-Native person. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_Chiefs
They're not changing the name anytime soon because it's named after a person and a military unit. Not a group of people
That logo in the thumbnail is amazing! Keep the name, change the logo to that and everyone wins.
I think it's fine, but if Chicago didn't win those three cups recently, I guarantee more people would want it gone.
Winning heals all wounds.
Honestly who cares the world doesn’t care about your feelings the name has too much history to throw it all away
Thanks for trying to facilitate a discussion while offering historical context and other examples related to the topic.
I was raised in Chicago and a Hawk fan since i ws a kid which was over 60 years ago. Blackhawk was ALWAYS a reference of respect. ALWAYS. BLACKHAWK fans have always viewed the team name with respect and admiration and NOTHING ELSE. SCREW ANYBODY EKSE who thinks otherwise.
The name will likely stay, the logo will change though
Blackhawks should never change the name and logo
One thing to note.....the Johnstown chiefs no longer exist. That particular team moved to South Carolina. However, there is a new team in the NAHL that is based in Johnstown. They are the Johnstown Tomahawks.
I swear to God, this debate always comes up every 4 years, like clockwork. I'm sick of it.
“BREAKING: Kyler Murray demands the Giants change their name due to discrimination against short people” per NFL memes... lol
As a native I personally think it's about respecting the culture/people. I think the Blackhawks/braves/chiefs logos/names are respectful. Where as redskins is straight up derogatory slang. The Indians I see as a derogatory word as well you see a lot of native people in these comments calling themselves "natives" rather than "indians". Not to mention the chief Wahoo logo lol
I'll say though that alternate Blackhawk bird logo looks pretty dang nice
I've been to Native American markets in the summertime, and I remember they would sell Chiefs and Braves jerseys. The Redskins logo is similar to the Blackhawks logo and the Florida Seminoles. Only the name can be deemed offensive. Maybe the Redskins name could be changed to a tribal name. Many Irish are fans of the Notre Dame Fighting Irish football team, and that's a negative stereotype about Irish people.
I'm opposed to them changing the name right now though. If the Redskins dig in and refuse, it might stop the nonsense. Someone has to refuse to go along with the mob to stop it, otherwise it will keep going. Most of the people complaining are not fans, and even less are fans of these teams. For the most part, it's outsiders trying to pressure others, and they will not stop. Look at the statues coming down in the USA, no one is safe. If Washington decides rebranding is right, they should tell the NFL they'll do it, but not now. Tell the mob to f-off, and then do it yourself when nobody expects it. Also, many NA are fans of these teams. They always trot out an offended NA to spearhead these attacks, but the reality is most NA do not care. Finally, to me it is respectful to have these names and logos. It seems like the end result of this will be further erasing NAs from our culture. Like with Land O'Lakes logo, they got rid of the native and kept the Land.
I am hispanic-indigenous (just stating before I state my opinion) I do find the name 'redskins' itself referring to a native American as offensive (Imagine doing this to any other race or ethnicity). I agree that it has to be changed. I had the same problem with the Cleveland Indians logo back in the day before they distanced themselves from it. It is outdated to refer to them as Indians, and the logo was a stereotypical looney tunes caricature, it is like punching down on natives.
However, I must admit, I never had the same thoughts for Blackhawks. I understood the basic history behind the name (and I understand it even better now thanks to you) I also think the logo is tasteful compared to other counterparts. I think them using alternate logos (like the hawk or the fighter jet) on their third jersey to show people that blackhawks means different things would be nice. I personally don't mind having native americans symbolism or imagery being used in sports (I think its great that Atlanta Braves changed their mascot and only uses a tomhawk on their logo now, not a fan of teams that sell foam tomahawks but thats a personal opinion), I just think it should be tasteful or subtle. Deciding what's tasteful or not is another matter but I think Redskins is one that isnt.
At the end of the day, we have to recognize that we have a messed up history. Despite none of us taking part of it in a direct manner, some of us benefit from it, and others are a at a disadvantage because of it. I think its good to talk about whether or not its appropriate or outdated for a professional sports team to carry some of these logos/names. It's even more important that we help these communities that are at a disadvantage. It would be great if the teams that take the likeness of natives to also help their indigenous communities, not as PR, but because they can, and its the right thing to do.
P.S. There sure are lots of native americans in your comments apparently.
When do they come for the names like the Kings and Oilers.
Look, if that insane notion comes to pass, why do you need to worry about it? They are just team names.
So full disclosure I am a Hawks fan, but I don't think they need to change a thing. Our logo isn't a caricature, our team name isn't a slur, our mascot isn't a native person, and there's no tomahawk chop or headdress wearing pushed by the team. The franchise has been nothing but respectful.
In the event that we drop the logo, I could see just using the feathers from our current logo as the new logo or a varient of the hawk logo. The name should stay no matter what, rebrand with actual black hawks used on merch like tommy hawk.
Chicago has too much history to change things.
so did the Redskins 87 years and 3 super bowl wins 5 super bowl appearances but cancel culture kills EVERYTHING it touches.
What about Mumbai Indians? Should that be cancelled?
Long time Blackhawks fan here. I liked it better when the team name was the Black Hawks.
1:03 Lol that's exactly what they did
As a die hard Blackhawks fan for my entire life, if they ever changed the name or the logo I would never support or watch the team ever again. I would just have to become a fan of a different team. Especially because the Blackhawks support native communities and honor native veterans at almost all home games. They use the name out of respect for the brave native warriors it is not meant to be offensive or to disparage native peoples.