This seems pointless, trying to force the use of techniques to justify something. Retroactively modifying and trying to learn to implement 'traditional' techniques to fill the roll of or serve the same functions or purposes as the guards, strikes or fighting you learned from somewhere else. I think a tutorial for taekwondo guys or karate guys on how to guard themselves would have been far more useful an interesting than how to modify a guard you've already learned to superficially look more like Taekwondo or Karate. This isn't even a real tutorial or a realistic demonstration. Selecting where your partner is allowed to stand and what strikes or movements they're going to do doesn't demonstrate anything. You could deflect or avoid these blows with whatever the hell 'technique' you wanted, why not follow up with a wrist throw, 5 blows the groin and a choke? at 3mins and 9 seconds, how often do you even get that exact counter in sparring or fighting? You even moved away from him throwing his jab to lending you his arm to demonstrate this technique. What does this prove, what's the point of this? at 5 mins 30. Why would you throw a jab to the outside which is then deflected outwards and then intentionally throw a right hand on the outside unless you were setting up a third left hand ? If they already took the first punch to the outside it's going to be easiest for them to just push that arm out further to deflect the follow up.
It's shortcutting/modifying a technique to make it more efficient. A lot of moves are trained in an exaggerated manner and then refined as time goes on. You show me a real black belt ITF sparring match where someone is using full traditional stances and blocks... there won't be one. If you don't already train a basic guard for fighting then I would leave your club immediately unless you are into the sport version of Taekwondo (WT). Plus, I have a fighting stance and guard tutorial up already 😁 3min 9s he would be trying to redirect my hand and feed straight into the right hand at speed. It's explained like that so you can see it. This is in many boxing fights. The point is to not take patterns as self defence and that the movements need to be modified to work more efficiently. Didn't you listen to any of the video 😂 At 5m 30s he explained that he would use his hand placement to manipulate me to take that line for the punch as he's giving me an opening, hence drawing, a tactic used by all fighters. If you watch his fights, you can see him doing this in action against a free thinking opponent. It's a demonstration to explain his points but when you train it enough, it will be more effective when fighting a live opponent, as he has proven by becoming a 11 x World Champion. But hey, what does he know right...... 😂
@@GingerNinjaTrickster Thank you for your response. I'm not criticizing your technique, I'm criticizing this video. Edit: forgot to add that one of my main criticisms is methods of demonstration. I like the idea of martial artists leaving their viewers with lots of drills they can do to immediately work on these things as opposed to 'realistic' demonstrations to justify the concept of something. I agree with you completely that techniques taught in TMA as is can be inefficient for fighting including ITF, right there with you. I agree it's a smart idea not to intentionally do such big, long and exaggerated motions when trying to guard yourself. I have no complaints about any of the techniques I saw at all. I just think the idea of it is sort of pointless. The video sort of implies that for those from Taekwondo or karate backgrounds trying to adapt these motions into actual fighting that they haven't already completed this step. I thought a tutorial on how to guard from scratch rather than try and learn to adapt techniques they clearly didn't already find application for would be more useful than trying to fit a triangle through a square hole. Another idea is a tutorial on some of the things touched on in this. Like your example of drawing, provide some positions or setups to invite someone in and then how to counter the predicted attacks. Some drills they can do to learn to both understand what they're open and how to take advantage, to practice these exact set ups and counters. Or like the example at 5 mins in some drills to learn to spot and exploit a failure in your opponent's guard like for the right hand used in that example. Maybe you already do, even though I'm criticizing the idea of the video I still liked what you guys said and thought the pair of you probably have valuable insights. I plan to have a look at some of your other content. At 3 mins I was talking about something very specific. Catching a jab on the right forearm, grabbing the jab with your left hand and then throwing the right hand over the jab while still holding it with the left hand. It was more a criticism of the demonstration, seemed to be a big contrast from what was being talked about roughly 2 minutes in. I never thought the instructor was actually teaching to counter this way, I thought he was showing throwing the right over the jab. The way he presents it though it looks like he's teaching to block, grab the right hand and then throw the right hand. I don't think I've seen that exact counter very often in boxing. Takes a lot longer to stop a jab with the right hand, switching it over to your left hand to hold onto it and then throwing a right over the top than for them to follow that jab up with the right hand or move their feet. Also awkward to throw a hard right hand after already pivoting inwards to catch and then pull the jab. Again I think that was just a weird part of the demo, not bad technique. What I was criticizing at 5 mins and 30 seconds is that I don't think there's a valid opening for the overhand from that position, it doesn't look inviting because the shoulder is up and the left arm is already sticking out ready to sweep away any punches on the outside and because they're in a position to just lean away from it. The coach was actually explaining not to stand directly in front because you'd be open to the overhand, I was just disagreeing that he's open to the right hand although I agree with him completely that it's defensibly responsible to circle out to the right away from the right hand anyway. I think he'd be more open if the jab was throw intentionally wide or a feint with the right hand to bring that left arm out a bit further and the right hand was then thrown inside the shoulder, even then it seems like an awkward position to land a right hand from.
I've taken boxing and taekwondo. No one should go to Taekwondo to learn how to punch or block. It's useful for learning kicks in my opinion and for flexibility
Very good! I'm glad to see someone teaching the Taekwondo blocks as they were originally intended! My Master was in his 20's back when Palgwe and Taegeuk were in invented (1967-ish) and this is exactly how he taught me to apply my blocks in sparring and self defense! This doesn't make the forms wrong, as the forms are primarily for memorizing and practicing techniques using a basic method that utilizes the maximum amount of body mechanics. Thus, the more time you have, the more you can rely on the power and stability of the forms, but the one of the primary principles of diverting/deflecting as opposed to simply impacting remains. Covering the head is safer in the short term, but you end up taking all the energy of the strike and are left in a disadvantageous position. These are the kinds of concepts that modern day "traditional" schools are losing or have already lost. Side note: For those of you who think Taekwondo is only good for striking, remember that before it was created (as a sport and basic training for the military) all of its techniques were part of a martial art that included locks, holds, throws and low kicks (said techniques were taken alone and turned into Hapkido), so the truly traditional martial art actually covered all aspects of combat...
Good stuff. In traditional karate what's commonly referred to as a "block" just means "to receive". Experienced karateka realise that most taught "blocks" aren't even blocks, they're either deflections or actual strikes.
I practice Love Taekwondo but I use Karate blocking technique’s. Blocking technique’s that are hard blows to cause extreme pain, even through elbows, punches into opponents kicks or fist if timed correctly. Lots of respect for the Karateka artist. I love TKD kicks are just hard to see coming. People say TKD has no power, that’s a bunch of BS. I know 3 Local Dojangs that have very powerful traditional TKD in the Baton Rouge, LA area. I’ve done Muay Thai and I see the power in it but it’s not my style. I think Martial arts depends on the student and how serious he takes his or her training and understanding the art of fighting and self defense. Thank you for this great tutorial. I can’t wait to show others what I learned from this blocking tutorial. 🙏
Great video. Blocking is always important. It depends on training how much effective it gets. I did sometimes sparring and I felt some difference in blocking after I started to take some boxing classes. Of course, I didn't become any master or "Now I know exactly what to do". But I understood that, with good training, not only blocking becomes more effective but also saves me from trouble or losing focus.
Fantastic, what a dynamic duo! Love the principles behind all of this and would love to see you both give your take on how to apply what we learn in TKD patterns. Keep 'em coming! Much appreciated, Taekwon! 🙏
I appreciate you separating the teaching philosophy from the application. A lot of martial artist get caught in dogma and then are awaken after a right cross. This lesson takes away the fantasy and helps ground it in combat. Well done
To be pedantic, a fencing guard typically covers one of the four quarters of your torso. For instance, if you are right handed, your sixteen guard covers your right chest and any chest high thrust will most likely be parried with a lateral parry quarte, which corresponds to the red inward blocks. If you guard in the centre line, you may have to parry to either side, rather than just one.
This is an inspiring example of using traditional techniques from tuls in a free sparring or even self defence setting. Understanding how a technique is applied in different circumstances is very important to any TKD practitioner.
Blocks in forms are like arithmetic in grade school. In forms you do wide movements to train your muscle memory and after time, which can be years, your muscle memory of those blocks are so ingrained you no longer need the wide movements, you execute that block in a smaller, more focused manner. Same thing in grade school. "One plus one equals two!". And a few years down the road in high school, "Divide the equation after getting the sum of the previous multiplication problem!" Same thing! In short, forms do not equal real life, and they were never meant to. That's not their purpose.
That is complete nonsense. To developed motor memory you would train the block only as it's used in sparring ,not a completely different movement that can never be applied.the purpose of the forms is tradition, nothing more.
one of the most comprehensive and realistic approach to one of the most misunderstood elements of traditional martial arts !great thanks for that! and i must add if you wanna look in more deep compare it the blocking in boxing or in mma how they block a kick and the jab are the most obvious realize that are the same techniques use in other environment bruce lee for instance know it an apply it well people think that real martial arts where invented on modern times and all its use less and was invented for no real reason but look it trough the glass of history or science no self deceiving fallacies
When you look at 19th century boxing manuals, you find that they used the same basic parries as we have in karate. The difference is, as explained in this video, the parrying movements are not wide sweeping things as in the kata, but short and abbreviated.
This is the best explanation and tutorial about traditional blocks, in a real fight, you need to be fast and avoid big movements. Adrenaline is spiked up and you’ll fatigue faster.
Omg thank you for this! I've been teaching martial arts for a few years now and feeling kind of dirty knowing that the way we typically teach blocks wouldn't work well against multiple punches
This is what we learn in my style. We lean big moves in basics and Kata, but in blocks are smaller and contained, allowing you to either reset for the nest attack coming in, or to counter attack with either a punch or kick of our own
From what i know, we have similar blocks in Silat, yes nowadays in competitions we don't do it but the old days they trained their forearm and blocking techniques in such a way the traditional blocks would hurt the opponent who is attacking. Nowadays we tend to parry rather then block. I felt a block before from my now passed master who studied it traditionally not the modern way, it just felt like being hit by a bat, numbing my arm and he didn't even swing his block fully.
Hi. I love yout videos, it really is very interesting what you do. It would be good to add subtitles, especially for those of us who do not understand spoken English.
I liked that. I practice traditional Wado-ryu (WIKF). I liked how you controlled the distance and only deflected just enough. We're taught that there are no blocks in Wado but only deflections and that they should be part of our attack. I particularly liked the grab and uraken at 8:59 and the shuto -> grab + gyajuzuki at 9:13. It's cool looking at a completely different martial art and seeing similar techniques. There's nice examples of tai sabachi in there too. Thumbs up from me.
Nice to see practical, applied TMA from two guys who really know their thing. I've always preferred the word 'parry' to 'block', I think the latter gives the wrong idea. Parry fits nicely with the fencing analogy as well as the original Japanese, which I think translates as 'receiving techniques'.
This is good to see, nice practical examples ‘at speed’. The turning inward forearm block you showed in wing chun is called a gan sau, you move the arm forward while rotating it, but don’t cross much past the center (as you showed, to prevent the opponent counterattack. It can be used to intercept, deflect, then counterattack. It also has a little torso rotation like you showed. I bet there are similar techniques in other arts as well. It is also helpful to do drills like this bare handed as you are, to develop the feel and ideas, since out in the real world you don’t wear boxing gloves everywhere.
I apologize for mentioning another RUclipsr, but there's a guy named Iain Abernethy who is really good at finding applications for Karate kata. I'm not an expert, but they seem logical to me.
Just discovered your channel and subscribed. Great to see someone pressure testing TKD on YT. TKD and other TMA have the same fundamental principals that work in any realistic/mma style fighting. The problem is many are primarily exposed to kata or point sparring and never take the necessary steps to apply in free sparring or full speed contact fighting. Or they get a black belt from the local soccer mom martial arts day care school. It is not for everyone and your display here is a relatively high level of skill and experience. I would struggle doing consistently this at 1/2 the speed show, but I don't have a black belt either, heh. I train at a local self defense oriented school (Fit To Fight affiliate), not TMA, however the owner and many of the instructors have deep TMA backgrounds and share their years of experience to guide us to learning sound principals then applying them to sparring and self defense drills. Have you seen the video where Rokas from Martial Arts Journey and Jesse from Karate Nerd talk about freeze framing mma fights and finding many TMA forms and techniques being used? Very eye opening. I believe most TMA have fundamentally sound fighting principles and techniques, some require more heat and pressure to find the diamonds than others.
In Ji Do Kwan Tae Kwon Do we actually train blocks as disabling counterattacks against the attacking limb. Our goal is to damage or cripple the attacker's arm or leg similarly to Filipino Martial Arts' Destruction "Defanging the Snake tactics.
I think a big reason for the chambers and the big motions we have in the TKD Kata, aside from aesthetics, is to really get you use to the motion you're making. It's easier to visualize the path when you make it bigger.
I think if you practice it big, your muscle memory stays and your reflex will be big, and i believe if you want to practice for efficiency, practice with it or you are not going to get it as a reflex.
@@trollgag5221 That hasn't been my experience. Most people shorten their moves in application. It's the same with kicks. My Master says to practice every kick for the head, because when you're tired and your kicks drop, they're still at an acceptable height.
@@danielskrivan6921 that is not the same analogy I believe. During my initial days of kyokushin, my hand movements when i block was too big and my partners could read it way before. My master told, do the katas only for grading, but practice as compact as you can, just like how you want it done, or you won't get it instinctively.
@@trollgag5221 And my experience has been that most people do big motions during the katas and the early days, and figure out the proper application as they get more advanced. Things flow together better and your body learns over time how to be more efficient with your movements. You can theorize it all you want. I've seen it in action. I've seen people go from big motion in forms to small motions in sparring. The more advanced the student, the better their application of the technique.
This video has a lot of what I was always wondering, how to apply the blockages and kickbacks in a more real situation. But generally the attacker does not throw a single punch, it is always a chain ... Maybe something for a next video? Thanks.
It's amazing watching you great masters, you give me motivation and will for my comback to martial arts. I used to practice TKD, when I was teenager, and I want to continue my journey, this time (may God give me strength and persistence) to the black belt 🥋
This video made me upload my own self defense videos from back in around 2013. Your "discovery" reminds me of my own first steps an reasearch in the selfdefense section. Maybe all of you get some new ideas because of it :) greetings and good luck for the future!
I like some of this. Blocking and stepping off-line is valuable. What's not being shown is converting defensive blocks to offensive blocks. That's where you become effective. Just blocking only sets you up to continue to be attacked.
In our karate dojo we are taught to recieve the attack with open palm and then stike back with uke. So its basically attacking the attack!. We are also taught to move to our opponents blind side when we do uke. I like the wingchunny idea of centreline. I will try this today. Oss
The techniques you do properly in training so when you need to use them in defence, the shortened version will be more powerful in respect to if you didn't train in Martial Arts.
Very good gnt. It always bothers me when pepole say blocks do not work. But truthfully it is all about understanding range and timeing along with foot work
Great analysis guys. I get so frustrated when I see those marital artist Vs mma guy or kickboxing videos. I end up screeming "Move please Move" because that individuals mindset is stuck in kata/form mode, and has not been shown or is unable to translate it to a real fight. Also they may even think that they are not allowed to make adjustments to their blocks, strikes and footwork (how they have been taught or just their mindset). Within all fighting arts is physics, angles, distance, speed, force etc... which you guys just covered. Thank you 👍🏿
That is impressive dynamics for blocking. Definitely good for using for self defense against people with no experience on the street but someone that knows how to use there hands are just gonna sneak a body shot or worse kick to the stomach.
This is a great idea, trad. MA needs to modernise or it will die out. There is so much good stuff in there that just needs to be made a bit more practical. Less show and more go, basically!
It allready is. Boxing kickboxing and MMA is on a real high level nowadays due to science computers etc. So it's not rocket science. Think of a sword like a katana big moves gets you killed. Just tap it away to the side just a little bit makes you survive. So martial arts is an art and you are the artist how good you wanna become?
Martial arts do. They teach basics with a focus on full technique and form, which is what forms /patterns / Kata reinforce. But when it comes to sparing, whether is is light,, full contacts or even point based sparing, it is up to each student to adapt that technique to their individual body type and fight style
I often found the blocking in karate schools to be too over-pronounced and rigid which gave them problems against someone fast and fluid coming from different angles. Usually more the schools that didn't spar much. Kung Fu blocks felt a little more practical as there was more redirection and flow but still required an unbelievable level of timing and reactions. I think the key thing is applying in full contact sparring. Then you learn to keep the movements subtle and only do what can realistically work when going full speed. I definitely think it's an area which is underutilized in MMA though
Ive used those blocks in sparring before, i usually do block across instead of just to the centerline(a mistake) but i move my whole body to the oposite direction of the block/parry... MOving my centerline out of way... A nice side effect of smashing through with the block is that it hurts their arm and makes it hard for them to do double strikes with the hand... But it takws more energy
Very nice video. Thank you .it seems there are times for blocking or receiving and times to cover. Redirect slightly is my practice as it can lead to strong counters
the issue i see here is as follows: in a real combat, the opponent would trow a lot of punches, not just one. If you do a tradicional martial art defence like these, you can succesfully defent one punch but then you will be open for the next one because the tradicional defence movements do not end in stance that makes you ready for another blow. On my opinion, this is why boxing is so efficient. if you are not a boxer and do not take down a boxer to the ground, you will probably lose the combat.
asd qwe if you watched, that’s why movement is key. People tend to only throw a load of punches when they have closed the distance. Also, a block cut short to make it efficient with an added footwork movement is Great for getting the opponent off balance and to avoid the central line where if doing a combo, the opponent would be committing to. Otherwise, they adjust which puts you in a more favourable position.
It appears that you are parrying punches utilizing your forearms as opposed to using your palms. Basically a parry using more surface area than your palm. Also, you are using good footwork. Great explanation on modifying tradition techniques for modern day combat.
The biggest reason traditional “blocks” don’t work is that they’re NOT actually blocks. In my experience based off experimentation and looking at what folks like Patrik MacArthy, Iain Abernathy, etc. teach, these movements are combinations that usually start with either a parry and/or grab and the final hand position that ends up in what’s usually mistakenly called a “block” is actually something else. Depending on the specific technique and application (most of these techniques have several applications, some like the Gedan Barai have almost unlimited applications) this final hand position is a hammer fist to the opponent’s face, throat, elbow, etc. or can even be where you hand ends up after you’ve thrown your opponent. Gedan barai, for example has a LOT of takedown applications.
Blocking CAN be useful - and Karl shows how, here - but it shouldn't be your first line of defense. As he shows around the halfway mark, moving offline is your best bet, and even if you do block a hybrid with movement is really beneficial. "Best defense: no be there." - Miyagi
This seems pointless, trying to force the use of techniques to justify something. Retroactively modifying and trying to learn to implement 'traditional' techniques to fill the roll of or serve the same functions or purposes as the guards, strikes or fighting you learned from somewhere else.
I think a tutorial for taekwondo guys or karate guys on how to guard themselves would have been far more useful an interesting than how to modify a guard you've already learned to superficially look more like Taekwondo or Karate.
This isn't even a real tutorial or a realistic demonstration. Selecting where your partner is allowed to stand and what strikes or movements they're going to do doesn't demonstrate anything. You could deflect or avoid these blows with whatever the hell 'technique' you wanted, why not follow up with a wrist throw, 5 blows the groin and a choke?
at 3mins and 9 seconds, how often do you even get that exact counter in sparring or fighting? You even moved away from him throwing his jab to lending you his arm to demonstrate this technique.
What does this prove, what's the point of this?
at 5 mins 30. Why would you throw a jab to the outside which is then deflected outwards and then intentionally throw a right hand on the outside unless you were setting up a third left hand ? If they already took the first punch to the outside it's going to be easiest for them to just push that arm out further to deflect the follow up.
It's shortcutting/modifying a technique to make it more efficient. A lot of moves are trained in an exaggerated manner and then refined as time goes on. You show me a real black belt ITF sparring match where someone is using full traditional stances and blocks... there won't be one.
If you don't already train a basic guard for fighting then I would leave your club immediately unless you are into the sport version of Taekwondo (WT). Plus, I have a fighting stance and guard tutorial up already 😁
3min 9s he would be trying to redirect my hand and feed straight into the right hand at speed. It's explained like that so you can see it. This is in many boxing fights.
The point is to not take patterns as self defence and that the movements need to be modified to work more efficiently. Didn't you listen to any of the video 😂
At 5m 30s he explained that he would use his hand placement to manipulate me to take that line for the punch as he's giving me an opening, hence drawing, a tactic used by all fighters. If you watch his fights, you can see him doing this in action against a free thinking opponent.
It's a demonstration to explain his points but when you train it enough, it will be more effective when fighting a live opponent, as he has proven by becoming a 11 x World Champion. But hey, what does he know right...... 😂
@@GingerNinjaTrickster Thank you for your response. I'm not criticizing your technique, I'm criticizing this video. Edit: forgot to add that one of my main criticisms is methods of demonstration. I like the idea of martial artists leaving their viewers with lots of drills they can do to immediately work on these things as opposed to 'realistic' demonstrations to justify the concept of something.
I agree with you completely that techniques taught in TMA as is can be inefficient for fighting including ITF, right there with you. I agree it's a smart idea not to intentionally do such big, long and exaggerated motions when trying to guard yourself. I have no complaints about any of the techniques I saw at all. I just think the idea of it is sort of pointless. The video sort of implies that for those from Taekwondo or karate backgrounds trying to adapt these motions into actual fighting that they haven't already completed this step. I thought a tutorial on how to guard from scratch rather than try and learn to adapt techniques they clearly didn't already find application for would be more useful than trying to fit a triangle through a square hole.
Another idea is a tutorial on some of the things touched on in this. Like your example of drawing, provide some positions or setups to invite someone in and then how to counter the predicted attacks. Some drills they can do to learn to both understand what they're open and how to take advantage, to practice these exact set ups and counters. Or like the example at 5 mins in some drills to learn to spot and exploit a failure in your opponent's guard like for the right hand used in that example. Maybe you already do, even though I'm criticizing the idea of the video I still liked what you guys said and thought the pair of you probably have valuable insights. I plan to have a look at some of your other content.
At 3 mins I was talking about something very specific. Catching a jab on the right forearm, grabbing the jab with your left hand and then throwing the right hand over the jab while still holding it with the left hand. It was more a criticism of the demonstration, seemed to be a big contrast from what was being talked about roughly 2 minutes in. I never thought the instructor was actually teaching to counter this way, I thought he was showing throwing the right over the jab. The way he presents it though it looks like he's teaching to block, grab the right hand and then throw the right hand.
I don't think I've seen that exact counter very often in boxing. Takes a lot longer to stop a jab with the right hand, switching it over to your left hand to hold onto it and then throwing a right over the top than for them to follow that jab up with the right hand or move their feet. Also awkward to throw a hard right hand after already pivoting inwards to catch and then pull the jab. Again I think that was just a weird part of the demo, not bad technique.
What I was criticizing at 5 mins and 30 seconds is that I don't think there's a valid opening for the overhand from that position, it doesn't look inviting because the shoulder is up and the left arm is already sticking out ready to sweep away any punches on the outside and because they're in a position to just lean away from it. The coach was actually explaining not to stand directly in front because you'd be open to the overhand, I was just disagreeing that he's open to the right hand although I agree with him completely that it's defensibly responsible to circle out to the right away from the right hand anyway.
I think he'd be more open if the jab was throw intentionally wide or a feint with the right hand to bring that left arm out a bit further and the right hand was then thrown inside the shoulder, even then it seems like an awkward position to land a right hand from.
@@GingerNinjaTrickster Did my last comment work?
I've taken boxing and taekwondo. No one should go to Taekwondo to learn how to punch or block. It's useful for learning kicks in my opinion and for flexibility
@@amandahuginkiss4098 You know that all TKD schools are not the same, right?
Excellent analysis, excellent blocking and counterattack technique, displacements, distance and blockages, greetings are essential
Very good! I'm glad to see someone teaching the Taekwondo blocks as they were originally intended! My Master was in his 20's back when Palgwe and Taegeuk were in invented (1967-ish) and this is exactly how he taught me to apply my blocks in sparring and self defense! This doesn't make the forms wrong, as the forms are primarily for memorizing and practicing techniques using a basic method that utilizes the maximum amount of body mechanics. Thus, the more time you have, the more you can rely on the power and stability of the forms, but the one of the primary principles of diverting/deflecting as opposed to simply impacting remains. Covering the head is safer in the short term, but you end up taking all the energy of the strike and are left in a disadvantageous position. These are the kinds of concepts that modern day "traditional" schools are losing or have already lost.
Side note: For those of you who think Taekwondo is only good for striking, remember that before it was created (as a sport and basic training for the military) all of its techniques were part of a martial art that included locks, holds, throws and low kicks (said techniques were taken alone and turned into Hapkido), so the truly traditional martial art actually covered all aspects of combat...
Good stuff. In traditional karate what's commonly referred to as a "block" just means "to receive". Experienced karateka realise that most taught "blocks" aren't even blocks, they're either deflections or actual strikes.
Luís Marques 👍🏻😁
I practice Love Taekwondo but I use Karate blocking technique’s. Blocking technique’s that are hard blows to cause extreme pain, even through elbows, punches into opponents kicks or fist if timed correctly. Lots of respect for the Karateka artist. I love TKD kicks are just hard to see coming. People say TKD has no power, that’s a bunch of BS. I know 3 Local Dojangs that have very powerful traditional TKD in the Baton Rouge, LA area. I’ve done Muay Thai and I see the power in it but it’s not my style. I think Martial arts depends on the student and how serious he takes his or her training and understanding the art of fighting and self defense. Thank you for this great tutorial. I can’t wait to show others what I learned from this blocking tutorial. 🙏
I see you watch the karate nerd as well
@@bills1377 I do, but this is common knowledge in my style for years :D
And a good block sets you up to counter strike
Great video. Blocking is always important. It depends on training how much effective it gets. I did sometimes sparring and I felt some difference in blocking after I started to take some boxing classes. Of course, I didn't become any master or "Now I know exactly what to do". But I understood that, with good training, not only blocking becomes more effective but also saves me from trouble or losing focus.
I think all kind of blocks work it's good to have a open mind when learning self defense! 😉👍
MAN, This Video is "TOO REAL FOR TV"!!GREAT JOB GUYS!!!
Damn,it's been awhile GNT!
Glad to see you posting vids again!
Fantastic, what a dynamic duo! Love the principles behind all of this and would love to see you both give your take on how to apply what we learn in TKD patterns. Keep 'em coming! Much appreciated, Taekwon! 🙏
I appreciate you separating the teaching philosophy from the application. A lot of martial artist get caught in dogma and then are awaken after a right cross. This lesson takes away the fantasy and helps ground it in combat. Well done
To be pedantic, a fencing guard typically covers one of the four quarters of your torso. For instance, if you are right handed, your sixteen guard covers your right chest and any chest high thrust will most likely be parried with a lateral parry quarte, which corresponds to the red inward blocks. If you guard in the centre line, you may have to parry to either side, rather than just one.
This is an inspiring example of using traditional techniques from tuls in a free sparring or even self defence setting. Understanding how a technique is applied in different circumstances is very important to any TKD practitioner.
Blocks in forms are like arithmetic in grade school. In forms you do wide movements to train your muscle memory and after time, which can be years, your muscle memory of those blocks are so ingrained you no longer need the wide movements, you execute that block in a smaller, more focused manner. Same thing in grade school. "One plus one equals two!". And a few years down the road in high school, "Divide the equation after getting the sum of the previous multiplication problem!"
Same thing!
In short, forms do not equal real life, and they were never meant to. That's not their purpose.
That is complete nonsense. To developed motor memory you would train the block only as it's used in sparring ,not a completely different movement that can never be applied.the purpose of the forms is tradition, nothing more.
This is one of the best vids I've seen that is trying to both demonstrate and explain this principle
one of the most comprehensive and realistic approach to one of the most misunderstood elements of traditional martial arts
!great thanks for that!
and i must add if you wanna look in more deep compare it the blocking in boxing or in mma
how they block a kick and the jab are the most obvious
realize that are the same techniques use in other environment
bruce lee for instance know it an apply it well
people think that real martial arts where invented on modern times and all its use less and was invented for no real reason
but look it trough the glass of history or science no self deceiving fallacies
When you look at 19th century boxing manuals, you find that they used the same basic parries as we have in karate. The difference is, as explained in this video, the parrying movements are not wide sweeping things as in the kata, but short and abbreviated.
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This is the best explanation and tutorial about traditional blocks, in a real fight, you need to be fast and avoid big movements. Adrenaline is spiked up and you’ll fatigue faster.
Been looking for a video like this, very nice
Anthony Thompson Awesome! I’m glad you liked it 😁
Omg thank you for this! I've been teaching martial arts for a few years now and feeling kind of dirty knowing that the way we typically teach blocks wouldn't work well against multiple punches
This is gold. Love use of the Philly shell.
This is what we learn in my style. We lean big moves in basics and Kata, but in blocks are smaller and contained, allowing you to either reset for the nest attack coming in, or to counter attack with either a punch or kick of our own
Excellent! thanks for sharing!
From what i know, we have similar blocks in Silat, yes nowadays in competitions we don't do it but the old days they trained their forearm and blocking techniques in such a way the traditional blocks would hurt the opponent who is attacking. Nowadays we tend to parry rather then block. I felt a block before from my now passed master who studied it traditionally not the modern way, it just felt like being hit by a bat, numbing my arm and he didn't even swing his block fully.
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I love yout videos, it really is very interesting what you do.
It would be good to add subtitles, especially for those of us who do not understand spoken English.
The blocks must be fluidity like kenpo...well explained the center line
Love this Aaron and Carl - Nice Job!
Thank you sir I always wanted to know about martialarts blocks
I liked that. I practice traditional Wado-ryu (WIKF). I liked how you controlled the distance and only deflected just enough. We're taught that there are no blocks in Wado but only deflections and that they should be part of our attack. I particularly liked the grab and uraken at 8:59 and the shuto -> grab + gyajuzuki at 9:13. It's cool looking at a completely different martial art and seeing similar techniques. There's nice examples of tai sabachi in there too. Thumbs up from me.
Yeees i waited so long for this video
Simple, effective and brilliant demonstration
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Nice to see practical, applied TMA from two guys who really know their thing. I've always preferred the word 'parry' to 'block', I think the latter gives the wrong idea. Parry fits nicely with the fencing analogy as well as the original Japanese, which I think translates as 'receiving techniques'.
This is good to see, nice practical examples ‘at speed’. The turning inward forearm block you showed in wing chun is called a gan sau, you move the arm forward while rotating it, but don’t cross much past the center (as you showed, to prevent the opponent counterattack. It can be used to intercept, deflect, then counterattack. It also has a little torso rotation like you showed. I bet there are similar techniques in other arts as well.
It is also helpful to do drills like this bare handed as you are, to develop the feel and ideas, since out in the real world you don’t wear boxing gloves everywhere.
I apologize for mentioning another RUclipsr, but there's a guy named Iain Abernethy who is really good at finding applications for Karate kata. I'm not an expert, but they seem logical to me.
Just discovered your channel and subscribed. Great to see someone pressure testing TKD on YT.
TKD and other TMA have the same fundamental principals that work in any realistic/mma style fighting. The problem is many are primarily exposed to kata or point sparring and never take the necessary steps to apply in free sparring or full speed contact fighting. Or they get a black belt from the local soccer mom martial arts day care school.
It is not for everyone and your display here is a relatively high level of skill and experience. I would struggle doing consistently this at 1/2 the speed show, but I don't have a black belt either, heh. I train at a local self defense oriented school (Fit To Fight affiliate), not TMA, however the owner and many of the instructors have deep TMA backgrounds and share their years of experience to guide us to learning sound principals then applying them to sparring and self defense drills.
Have you seen the video where Rokas from Martial Arts Journey and Jesse from Karate Nerd talk about freeze framing mma fights and finding many TMA forms and techniques being used? Very eye opening.
I believe most TMA have fundamentally sound fighting principles and techniques, some require more heat and pressure to find the diamonds than others.
In Ji Do Kwan Tae Kwon Do we actually train blocks as disabling counterattacks against the attacking limb. Our goal is to damage or cripple the attacker's arm or leg similarly to Filipino Martial Arts' Destruction "Defanging the Snake tactics.
Is that the purpose of one hand pulling to the waist while the other strikes at an elbow's distance?
@@zachin7 Partially, it can help increase the torque of your momentum
I think a big reason for the chambers and the big motions we have in the TKD Kata, aside from aesthetics, is to really get you use to the motion you're making. It's easier to visualize the path when you make it bigger.
I think if you practice it big, your muscle memory stays and your reflex will be big, and i believe if you want to practice for efficiency, practice with it or you are not going to get it as a reflex.
@@trollgag5221 That hasn't been my experience. Most people shorten their moves in application.
It's the same with kicks. My Master says to practice every kick for the head, because when you're tired and your kicks drop, they're still at an acceptable height.
@@danielskrivan6921 that is not the same analogy I believe. During my initial days of kyokushin, my hand movements when i block was too big and my partners could read it way before. My master told, do the katas only for grading, but practice as compact as you can, just like how you want it done, or you won't get it instinctively.
@@trollgag5221 And my experience has been that most people do big motions during the katas and the early days, and figure out the proper application as they get more advanced. Things flow together better and your body learns over time how to be more efficient with your movements.
You can theorize it all you want. I've seen it in action. I've seen people go from big motion in forms to small motions in sparring. The more advanced the student, the better their application of the technique.
@@trollgag5221 Why they don't want to modify the kata?
Very good information. I liked the practicality of the traditional aspects.
This video has a lot of what I was always wondering, how to apply the blockages and kickbacks in a more real situation. But generally the attacker does not throw a single punch, it is always a chain ...
Maybe something for a next video? Thanks.
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Excellent video, very didactic as always. It is funny how great boxers and mma fighters do that instinctively :D
Nobody does it instinctively,instinctive is close your eyes and reach out and get plastered in the face.
It's amazing watching you great masters, you give me motivation and will for my comback to martial arts. I used to practice TKD, when I was teenager, and I want to continue my journey, this time (may God give me strength and persistence) to the black belt 🥋
Nice video! I really learned a lot from both of you guys.
This video made me upload my own self defense videos from back in around 2013. Your "discovery" reminds me of my own first steps an reasearch in the selfdefense section. Maybe all of you get some new ideas because of it :)
greetings and good luck for the future!
I like some of this. Blocking and stepping off-line is valuable. What's not being shown is converting defensive blocks to offensive blocks. That's where you become effective. Just blocking only sets you up to continue to be attacked.
Awesome video making traditional blocks practical !!
Attempting traditional blocking in kung fu class as a teenager is what got me my first concussion
In our karate dojo we are taught to recieve the attack with open palm and then stike back with uke. So its basically attacking the attack!. We are also taught to move to our opponents blind side when we do uke. I like the wingchunny idea of centreline. I will try this today.
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The techniques you do properly in training so when you need to use them in defence, the shortened version will be more powerful in respect to if you didn't train in Martial Arts.
Outstanding analysis and application,
Very good gnt. It always bothers me when pepole say blocks do not work. But truthfully it is all about understanding range and timeing along with foot work
Great analysis guys. I get so frustrated when I see those marital artist Vs mma guy or kickboxing videos. I end up screeming "Move please Move" because that individuals mindset is stuck in kata/form mode, and has not been shown or is unable to translate it to a real fight. Also they may even think that they are not allowed to make adjustments to their blocks, strikes and footwork (how they have been taught or just their mindset). Within all fighting arts is physics, angles, distance, speed, force etc... which you guys just covered. Thank you 👍🏿
That guy has these blocks on lockdown good stuff
That is impressive dynamics for blocking. Definitely good for using for self defense against people with no experience on the street but someone that knows how to use there hands are just gonna sneak a body shot or worse kick to the stomach.
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This is a great idea, trad. MA needs to modernise or it will die out. There is so much good stuff in there that just needs to be made a bit more practical. Less show and more go, basically!
It allready is. Boxing kickboxing and MMA is on a real high level nowadays due to science computers etc. So it's not rocket science.
Think of a sword like a katana big moves gets you killed. Just tap it away to the side just a little bit makes you survive.
So martial arts is an art and you are the artist how good you wanna become?
Martial arts do. They teach basics with a focus on full technique and form, which is what forms /patterns / Kata reinforce. But when it comes to sparing, whether is is light,, full contacts or even point based sparing, it is up to each student to adapt that technique to their individual body type and fight style
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I want to give it 1000 likes. Because it answered a very important and typical question by non tai-kwan-do lover..
I really like the info you share, good video keep up the great work
I often found the blocking in karate schools to be too over-pronounced and rigid which gave them problems against someone fast and fluid coming from different angles. Usually more the schools that didn't spar much. Kung Fu blocks felt a little more practical as there was more redirection and flow but still required an unbelievable level of timing and reactions. I think the key thing is applying in full contact sparring. Then you learn to keep the movements subtle and only do what can realistically work when going full speed. I definitely think it's an area which is underutilized in MMA though
Fantastic video thank you
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Wow this new info for me. Thx GNT and friends
Ive used those blocks in sparring before, i usually do block across instead of just to the centerline(a mistake) but i move my whole body to the oposite direction of the block/parry... MOving my centerline out of way... A nice side effect of smashing through with the block is that it hurts their arm and makes it hard for them to do double strikes with the hand... But it takws more energy
Good training video
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Subscribed for a little while now GNT
Thanks for advice now I'm try to practice.
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Thanks for making this video
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You got it spot on sir.
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Your videos are always awesome 🙂 very informative for everyone
Great video!
Very good explanation.
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this is insane! u are teaching tkd, I wanna go to your school
very well explained
Very nice video. Thank you
.it seems there are times for blocking or receiving and times to cover. Redirect slightly is my practice as it can lead to strong counters
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the issue i see here is as follows: in a real combat, the opponent would trow a lot of punches, not just one. If you do a tradicional martial art defence like these, you can succesfully defent one punch but then you will be open for the next one because the tradicional defence movements do not end in stance that makes you ready for another blow. On my opinion, this is why boxing is so efficient. if you are not a boxer and do not take down a boxer to the ground, you will probably lose the combat.
Leg kicks and body kicks anf knees will be effective.
asd qwe if you watched, that’s why movement is key. People tend to only throw a load of punches when they have closed the distance.
Also, a block cut short to make it efficient with an added footwork movement is Great for getting the opponent off balance and to avoid the central line where if doing a combo, the opponent would be committing to. Otherwise, they adjust which puts you in a more favourable position.
waiting for part 2 :D
Great video.
It appears that you are parrying punches utilizing your forearms as opposed to using your palms. Basically a parry using more surface area than your palm. Also, you are using good footwork. Great explanation on modifying tradition techniques for modern day combat.
The biggest reason traditional “blocks” don’t work is that they’re NOT actually blocks. In my experience based off experimentation and looking at what folks like Patrik MacArthy, Iain Abernathy, etc. teach, these movements are combinations that usually start with either a parry and/or grab and the final hand position that ends up in what’s usually mistakenly called a “block” is actually something else. Depending on the specific technique and application (most of these techniques have several applications, some like the Gedan Barai have almost unlimited applications) this final hand position is a hammer fist to the opponent’s face, throat, elbow, etc. or can even be where you hand ends up after you’ve thrown your opponent. Gedan barai, for example has a LOT of takedown applications.
They do work depending on the practitioner but great video as always
Yeah i saw chung lee ! Doing this technique ! In your first samplar with him !
Blocking CAN be useful - and Karl shows how, here - but it shouldn't be your first line of defense. As he shows around the halfway mark, moving offline is your best bet, and even if you do block a hybrid with movement is really beneficial.
"Best defense: no be there." - Miyagi
Good video. Thanx
Yes Karate blocks does work in a real fight especially against kicking and knee strikes or against grappling attacks but not against punching much 👍
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informative, thank you. the reason you don't see this type of blocking in mma is cuz if you stick your arm out that far you will get it grabbed.
Man that was awesome. Tha guy's fast😃
Martial arts blocks are essential because it gives you a chance to back away
And decide your next attack
And helps you servive longer
I really like this.
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Wow! I never knew TKD guys had hands!
Are you guys ITF?
yeah, tha pants say so
Says ITF on their Doboks
I used the over hand block a lot when I first started sparing haha
Depends how you perform it to a point that is useful or not.
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