I'd have to disagree on a few of the comments. Multiple of us have been racing with them for well over a year, most coming off of m17/7px and it's been perfect for racing, as long as you get the settings correct. Also the dead-zone problem has been addressed in the Pro. Personal opinion (from someone who's tried a fair bit of them) the noble is, overall, far far better than anything remotely close to its price range, if not a fair bit above it. Pretty fair review overall though, even if it did seem like there was a bit of a Sanwa bias. Of course it's gonna be a bit different than a Sanwa, because it isn't a Sanwa... Either way, always enjoy when you upload, very informative.
Thanks, the radio is very good and really best in class in nearly every category. Controls (ergonomics) are rather subjective like I said. But I do think the Sanwa has the best performance with the Futaba a close second. The Spektrum really doesn’t belong in this class of radio, but they keep raising the price to the point where it now costs as much as the others!
He forgot alot of things.. that i didnt like this i didnt like blabla too much negativity, claiming he knows all about the settings wich he obviously doesnt🤣😂 cuz 80% of his problems can be adjusted both with tiny hex and with calibration, and software.. i think his just marketing his own brand. This is like a propaganda bs video😂
I've got a new one two weeks ago,and I have no dead zone or weird expo problem. Going in my son's new b6.4! I have been in this hobby over 20 years racing and would not hesitate to get this sucker!
Not counting the (thankfully, small) collection of RTR transmitters, I have three mid/upper-range radios - Futaba 7PX, FlySky GT3C, and FS Noble NB4. Before deciding to get the NB4, I was seriously considering the more-recently-released Pro (although, I will mention that the 'interest' in the Pro was prior to its actual release)...however, once it was released, and the street price was known, I have a feeling a LOT of people decided to get the NB4, instead. That being said, I've seen several racers (at NorCal, no less) using the NB4, and liking it quite a bit. It was because of talking with two of them (approx 4-5 months ago) that helped me in deciding to get the NB4...and, other than the "model memory & firmware upgrade problem" (unlike other radios, which retain model memories when upgrading firmware, the NB4 doesn't...you have to 'backup' the model memories to your PC, then update the Tx firmware, then 'restore' the model memories, and (finally) update the firmware on every Rx). A quick "side note": From what I understand, with the most recent Tx firmware, users no longer have to update the Rx firmware. I am going to take a 'guess', and assume that, moving forward, the Tx automatically updates each Rx firmware the next time the Tx connects to each Rx, thus rebinding is probably also no longer required. However, I am also going to assume that the "model memory & firmware upgrade problem" still exists. If anyone can confirm/contradict this, please, let us know. Getting back to my NB4, even though it came highly recommended from a few other NB4 users (including two NorCal racers), I'm not using it in my land-based (hint, hint) race vehicles...that's what the 7PX is for. The primary "use" for my NB4 is my boats (including race boats), as the receivers are water-resistant (I'll never call an Rx "waterproof", unless it's a potted Rx, such as the marine-grade receivers from Spektrum...all others, I will consider as "water-resistant", no matter what the manufacturer 'claims'), with additional use going to most of my crawlers, and one basher. So far, I've had no problems. The only 'irritation', which I discovered (and solved, thanks to a video from WTF RC Cars) early in my NB4 ownership, was in trying to figure out which setting to use when binding the 8Ch & 12Ch receivers (yes, the NB4 does support up to a 12Ch receiver. The NB4 is "rock solid" (crawler pun not intended, tho, it does fit)...and, in certain ways, even better than my 7PX. I'll admit that the manual is far from the best...a lot needs to be "figured out" through 'trial & error'...but, once a user learns to understand the "uniqueness" of the NB4 (which can easily take several months), said users will discover how great this radio is. I've 'discovered' many great things about it, and I'm sure I haven't even discovered at least 50% of what it can do. The point is, the NB4 is an excellent RC radio...not just "for the money", but 'in general'. Is it better than the 7PX (which was recently replaced by the 10PX)? For the greatest part, no...but, again, in some ways, yes (ESPECIALLY the menu system, which is the BEST menu system I've seen). Is it better than most Spektrum radios? Most definitely. As for Sanwa, I can't say, as I've never (and, probably, will never, due to outrageous Rx prices) owned one.
All you said is true. It took me a few month with the help of my friend who understands the remote in-and-out he showed me so much also what learned on my own. Bad-ass radio.
I’m a left handed driver that feature with the wheel is nice. This seems like a nice upgrade to my current radio, a Spektrum DX3R that I’ve been using for like 10 - 15 years now so this might be a radio I’ll pull the trigger on
I love mine. It's place for me is a higher end, feature rich, basher radio. I have no experience with any high end race radios, but it seems like what you're pointing out are preferences, not necessarily shortcomings.
I do believe the nb4 is the best value radio in the market today, i do have a sanwa mt44 and m17, i feel more responsive because it is way lighter and fit comfortable to my hand (awesome grip design), but the nb 4 have more flexibility in features and can be tune easily without reading the manual, i used my nb4 with my 1/28 scale drift and racing because of the cheap micro receiver, mini-z evo and perform great, used also on my several 1/10 crawler, rock racer, drift, basher, and vintage RC, it very flexible and most important the receivers a price very reasonable, my sanwa radio use only for my competition buggies only, which i seldom use it. If you are focus in high level competitive racing, i really suggest investing on a sanwa high end radio (main reason LIGHT WEIGHT less fatigue and more connected to the driver), but if you are in a budget and you have different RC platform, and can be tuned easily then 100 percent NB4.
Been waiting for this one! I have two of these and I’m not a fan of the range, but the fit and finish in my experience is amazing. Thanks for the review!
Just bought one, found a good deal at Walmart online. Starting my second season racing indoors.... A fellow racer bought one last year and really liked it. I loved the feel of it, has some weight to it. my first big upgrade was a good charger, this controller is my second upgrade in my tool bag. For under $200 including shipping, I think it will be way better than the stock Traxxas and Team Associated radios that I got with my RTRs!
For $300 AUD getting two small RXs this is a pretty good deal. Quick summary after 5 years not racing TC. previous Tx was the mt4 Small, nice wheel size, good finish, light, USB chargeable battery, touch screen, short brake throw. Can't think of any negatives so far. Better feel possibly than my previous mt4 due to size I think. Topped my group last night. Felt very at home with the Radio instantly, no adjustment needed whatsoever!
Set mine to -30 on expo for onroad. Ran it a bunch went back to my m17 and gained a half second just because of the lag in the steering alone. Still a good radio for the price and works great for offroad dirt
😂 first you are comparing it against the top end Sanwa. Next you had -30 and complain about lag lol. Just bec someone said there is a dead zone lag doesn't mean it's there and even if it's there it doesn't mean you can feel that it's there. Try again or else go for the pro. I'm not a fan boy I'm a dedicated Sanwa user but fair is fair and reviews sometimes have to take with some salt 😅
I may have to do some investigation into the steering be interesting to see just the nb4 connected to a servo with a long arm and see if it is the exact same 1 to 1 through the full motion as in an RC the angle the servo arm meets the servo can give the same effect as expo :)
Yes, that's why I ran both the Sanwa and Flysky in the exact same car, it's hard to see, but I have two receivers in my Schumacher because I was running them back to back. I've also ran the Spektrum and Futaba with the same car as the Sanwa, and they are all pretty much identical, only the Flysky had the expo effect.
Great vid and thanks for the mention :) 👍 I have raced with the nb4 and did really well but didn't notice any issue with steering expo but definitely something I'll look into :)
No problem, great videos on the Noble, I found them very helpful! If your car is configured around the +expo, it's possible to get it to behave in a linear fashion and you might think it's normal. But if you're running a normal setup on the car and compare it to another radio, it should be apparent. You should see a lot of initial steering right off neutral in about the first 10-15% of throw, and then the car will feel lazy/loss of mid-corner steering as you get to about 50-60% of throw.
@@RazorRC Cool I have a good way to test for it so I'll get a vid done and see exactly what's going on also test it against the pro cos we got one of them too, I've just been looking and many of the high end servos we have come with adjustable dead zone so may look in to a vid on that too :)
Flysky really designed an impressive transmitter feature-wise, but then destroyed it with these hilariously bad deadzones. What were they thinking? For me the NB4 therefor is not an option. I'd rather go with a sanwa mts, futaba 4pm or the kopropo ex-rr. As you're pretty much the "transmitter-review youtube-guy" i would love to see what you have to say about the kopropo ex-next LDT with it's unconventional laydown trigger. A review from you would indeed be so awesome.
Destroyed it. lol do you have this radio. Have you actually tried it? Just bec 1 reviewer said it's has this issue doesn't mean that you can feel it and even if you have super spider sensitivity doesn't mean that this radio is destroyed for all application. I'm a super big Sanwa fan but be fair and not be a rabbit and juml to conclusions just bec some reviewer said it lol😅
for drag racing and basic speed runs this has been my favorite option under 400. setting start point to 40% and at the click of a button, gets me out as fast as any of the other high end choices, straight line racing. I see how on the track that could be a big deal, thanks for pointing out. may be a fix an update can solve at some point. Great honest review Razor rc
@Itry RC Try playing with the start point as every car will be different to get the best off the line take off without loosing grip, mine is 40 percent. its cool after setting, trying different tires to truly see what each will take and wont. when you watch drag racing rc lot of times the nerves, again these are talented drivers,will flip upside down (land on lid) or leave the track almost instantly, will prevent that jsut about 100% of the time. the abs option is great for at the end of runs when you really need to stop, it will help save tires from sliding instead of braking , past that you can play with "shift points" witch allows for smooth throttle start to finish. setting the seconds for how long you want to get to 100% full trigger. throttle kill button is great when you dont want to accidentally pull full throttle while holding or working on car. Check out wtf rc cars for great NB4 reviews and rx to best suit. no need for bind plug, the fgr8b is my goto receiver. range is great and by a simple update allows for an extended range option.use what best options fit your driving . not all these options are needed for everyone.. Best luck Itry
over a year ago i would have agreed with this video , but ,just to clarify , with the latest software update the nb4 is lightening quick and is totally raceable , all the latency and feel issues are gone and i have no issues getting any of my cars on apex repeatedly.
Just ordered mine in the UK-180 gbp. It was the 180 steering wheel that sold it to me (im a left hander, ad its about the cheapest good left hander) All the rest is a bonus so well pleased! Im just a basher really, but i still feel it hampers my driving, hit too many things due to lack of finesse ad control-it will save me money too!
Weird thing on my NB4. when I power it on it has an Asian accented English voice that says welcome to noble, but when powering it off has the regular English voice. Haven't heard anyone elses do that. Last night met up with a club, and about 6 others with NB4's haven't heard it either. Also, i dont have any deadzone issues, but sometimes it seems like it wants to hang on to steering in on direction, almost like the steering isn't returning to center, not sure what to do about that.
Awesome review, would it be possible for a long term review to mainly talk about how the wheel hinge holds up? That's always been the one thing keeping me from going for that radio
good idea, but unfortunately this radio will mostly sit on the shelf as I don't really have a purpose for it. maybe some of the other channels that use it regularly can provide long-term feedback.
I've been trying to see if I experience the same steering dead spot and I really don't. The servo moves as soon as I put any motion into the wheel. If it's there, it's imperceptible to me, even with very, very little turning. I wonder if anyone else experiences the steering dead zone? I'm using the mini receiver and an embarrassingly fairly low end servo on my XB4.
Do you think the dead zone and non linear turning is something that can be fixed in software, or is it a physical problem with the wheel? Good work by the way.😉
Well, there's no way to fix it, so whether it's hardware or software you can't do anything about it. I would guess software, as the FS-GT5 is definitely software, but then I don't know why Flysky didn't fix it in the Noble.
The issues mentioned in the video is why I wished the noble pro was reviewed instead of this. I hear the pro can be bought new at 325 usd with the right timing and sales coupons. The steering dead zone bugs the heck out of me, and I am looking for a top-end radio. It is the usual suspects of futaba or sanwa m17, but if those issues were sorted in the pro, saving 200 dollars is a big deal
I don't think it makes sense for anyone to buy a Noble Pro. If you want performance at a decent price get a 4PM or MT-44/MT-5 for the same price or less. There's almost no chance the Pro is any better.
@@RazorRC many race with this radio in hong kong, touring gt, rather than the above alternatives. I guess the difference between sponsored and non-sponsored
@@SengLeeKoh It's not a matter of sponsorship, the people buying Sanwas and Futabas are paying their own way. It could be the Pro is better, but Sanwa/Futaba have made the best radios for decades, and the Pro just came out in the last few months from a company that could never make a radio close in performance. I watched several videos on the Noble, and none of them mentioned the driving issues, so either I didn't watch the right videos, or people are not qualified to distinguish the difference. If your local drivers think the Pro is equal or better at a lower price, then it doesn't matter what I say. You either believe them or you don't and can decide based on that.
@@RazorRC Thanks for your efforts. There is a significant difference between the pro version the nb4 - this is not just opinion but fact from the ones who upgraded. Saying otherwise, as you did the pro isn't any better, is your right accordingly to your own user experience and requirement. But much appreciated.
@@SengLeeKoh I meant the Pro is probably not better than a Sanwa MT-44/MT-5 or Futaba 4PM and you should just buy one of those if you want high performance for around $300-350. I believe the Pro is better than the regular Noble, my friend is the US distributor of Flysky, I've been told that as well.
I have 1 of the first generation NB4's and for what I use it for I give it 5 stars over all and I keep learning more and more about it the more I use it! You failed to mention the wide variety of flysky receivers, 20 model memory if you have a small fleet. It has a place to hook up a lanyard to put around your neck as well. Also if you're like me and want a really nice radio the NB4 is the way to go! I paid $250.00 for mine new.
Definitely have seen people racing with this, maybe not on a national televised level but its at the least club level material. There is some big name bias going on for sure. At $140 new, there is no way anything is coming close to competing with this deal. Not to mention the fact it can be plugged directly into the PC and used for VRC, the receivers are $25-$40 depending where you get them vs $50-$100+ for the other names, and the battery is detachable and can be used for other things. Im not sure if it deserves a huge protective case like a $800 Futaba, but then again you can buy 4 of these for the cost of one of the others. Had I seen this review first I probably would have passed up on this deal and Im glad I seen the review after I purchased mine.
Great review. Thank you! I would love to see a feature that has an onscreen speedometer with top speed. Not sure if that even exists but it seems doable.
Great review. As ever, very informative for those of us thinking of consolidating an ever growing number of radios. Now, have your sledge and MT8 arrived and can we please hear your thoughts 👍?
Please, if at all possible, make a video on how to update the software on it. I have only found one video, that wasn't very clear on the process. I would love to see you make one.
Wassupperz Razor, that was a mighty fine review on the radio. I enjoy the content of all your vids sir. Quick question tho… I am in need of a new radio and have my eye on a Spektrum DX5 pro... have you ever reviewed that radio and/or what are your thoughts on it?
Thanks, I haven’t reviewed that one, but it does have a screw to hold in the battery door which I think is kinda dumb. Frame rate is 5.5ms, a little on the slow side.
What radio in your opinion shall I consider?… I have not officially raced, just been bashing my RC’s… I was looking at the spektrum because of the price. I was under the impression it was up there since it’s not a cheap radio.
Once you try an NB4, you may not want to consider another transmitter. I’ve heard some good things about the DX5C but most of the racers and drifters near me have said the NB4 is REALLY good given the price. Granted, price is always going to be a concern but when you’re looking at radios at this price, the NB4 is hard to beat.
Would really like to know why rc remotes are the only thing that are held in the left hand and the trigger is done with left hand. Guns, fishing pole, drill, grinder, welder, etc. is the other way. Racing video games the right trigger operates the gas and left hand steers. Real cars right hand shifts left hand steers. Rc remotes are left handed.
lol i said the exact same thing when i got into RCs. im left handed and all the radios felt natural to me. left handed radios dont make sense to me as a leftie.
This is a fair, in depth review. Perfect video for this radio. Question: Should NB4 along with module FS-RM005 be compatible with Mini-z buggy MB-010VE 2.0 that uses FHSS protocol?
I realize this is an old comment but did you get this setup to work? I want to get the MB-010VE 2.0 but do not have a mini z transmitter and don't really want to burn $50 on one if this is a good buy. I have a 7pxr for my big cars but this seems nice for the mini z and really the only option besides the cheap ones.
That is my only gripe with the nb4 the very sensitive steering with hardly any input like you said a little expo dialed it in and also slowing the servo 0.2 also worked a treat for me as i race on hard dirt with my servo it was too twitchy so slowing it down slightly smoothed the steering right out
Good video as always, but didn't like the background music/pling. After seeing this video and your other Transmitter videoes, I ended up with the Spektrum DX5C Smart 5-Channel DSMR Transmitter with SR6100AT. I don't race, only bash. Also I have several Arrma cars and one Proboat (with Spectrum electronics).
Was thinking about getting this set up! I see the futaba gyro was added in after wards, how is compatibility with this transmitter. Im hoarding parts for a build and have a GYD550 in hand and was considering this if it all works well
Hobbyking has it the cheapest at $180usd with 2 racing receivers. It also plugs in to VRC as a controller!!!! Way faster and cheaper than any other at that price point. I will never buy a $700usd transmitter. Thanks for your great channel 👌🥰
I run serveral RC cars including a MOA crawler. no one talks about extra channel controls in ANY of the radio reviews. what are channel 3-8 controls? what knobs levers and switches do I have to chose from to program dig and or 4 wheel steering?
@@RazorRC I was thinking same thing maybe a hardware issue perhaps something simple like the wheel ..if it is please ask them if they can sell replacement parts .. I’m just going through some buyers remorse now I got one coming soon
Thanks for this review Razor. I am just getting into rwd drifting and need to upgrade to a better radio than my old Flysky I use for my bashers. I was considering the NB4 but after seeing this video and hearing about the steering issues now I'm not sure and thinking maybe I should get the 4PM. If anybody has the NB4 and you use it for drifting, have you had any issues?
i agree 100 percent , i got it before this video and i love it.. If i would have watched this before hand I would have not bought it. so sometimes its tough going by 1 persons opinion, being as knowledgeable as razor rc. cant give an opinion to the drifting but over all a good option that shouldnt be overlooked. This comming from 1 who owns the nb4 and the 4pm both great. with the 4pm rx running around 15 to 30 more then the flysky rx
That steering stuff is weird. I'm wondering if they changed the steering potentiometer at one point to one that outputs slightly different values. Mine has neither the deadzone nor the expo you're talking about, I even tested back to back with a M17 and some people used to Sanwa gear.
Whats better in this prange tho? $200 shipped isnt bad but if the dead zones are that bad idk about racing this radio. Whats better for close to the same price?
Hi i am Vince , I have the FlySky Noble NB4 but I don’t have in Setting the option “ USB function ” but some people yes ! How is it possible? I would like play some PC car racing game, but I can’t! 😨what you do you think why ?
@@RazorRC only asking as in the early firmware the steering expo settings were backwards. So in order to make it less sensitive you had to go plus on the expo. It changed on the latter firmware, so if that's the case going Minus will make off centre feel laggy
I have the Futaba, which I like....but it's not the most intuitive/user friendly. It would be amazing if it had a better display and screen controls that the Noble has. The performance issues with the Noble though would probably drive me crazy since it would be use exclusively on carpet.
Yeah, it really is not very good control-wise. The average basher or entry-level racer is not going to notice, but anyone who races at an intermediate level or higher will notice for sure.
Yeah. Tell that to a bunch of people who ride NB4 and win competitions against Sanwa and Futaba. A problem sucked from the finger, which, surprisingly, was not found by any reviewer on the Internet. Of course, I understand, it's a shame when the equipment for 200 dollars is faster and more pleasant than for 700. Frank nonsense. You always have some kind of "special opinion" on everything.
The Spektrum is linear and actually controls the car correctly, but is much slower. They’re both not great for racing, not sure which I would choose, maybe the Flysky.
It blows my mind that Dakotah Phend has been winning lots of races with a DX5. Then again, the pros all slow down their Sanwa and Futaba radios so then I suppose they are about as slow as a DX5.
@@shaun4298 Yeah, really impressive. I think he's using a DX5 Pro, I'm not sure if they're below 5.5ms frame rate yet, but that's what the high end Spektrums did in the past.
If youre going to pair that with something more powerful....maybe with the tekno eb48 or mt410. That would be great for me since this is the radio that runs all my teknos!!
When you mentioned that some of the other transmitters can connect to their own servos the nb4 can do this too via ibus or even using some of the other high speed connections like the 1000hz theta servos may be worth trying some see if you like the way it works with them, ruclips.net/video/mI0hQLpJNXk/видео.html
Does anyone know if you can program SW1 or SW2 D/R to 100% with the push of a button? I sometimes run a low D/R and in some instances need 100% quickly.
The only thing I don't like about the noble is I have big hands I'm 6'7 so the trigger for #2 channel is to small for me It will make me jump on the line if I'm not careful. I just got an idea to cut the one piece so I can get in enough to pull it and put on breaks.
I’m quite upset I got a FGR4 S receiver in a micro crawler but it won’t pair up to my fly sky FSGT 3b can anybody Try and pair one and let me know how it’s
The Pro is better. Much more features and more to come. They have a Gyro model receiver now. INR4-GYR and the INR6-GYR. They work with NB4 but with pro you can assign buttons to use the gyro much better.
Another problem is you cannot use old model receivers from fly sky at all big concern because I bought a miniature crawler with a FGr 4s Now I’m left in the dark with having to pay for a super expensive dumbass remote
For low latency 1 way connection you bind it like this, you won't get the same binding complete message as it's a 1 way connection :) ruclips.net/video/WJsy08j3GOk/видео.html
thanks, I was able to bind in 1-way after recording the video, would be interesting to see if that makes a difference to the deadzone and steering expo, but I'm guessing it only affects the latency.
I'd have to disagree on a few of the comments. Multiple of us have been racing with them for well over a year, most coming off of m17/7px and it's been perfect for racing, as long as you get the settings correct. Also the dead-zone problem has been addressed in the Pro. Personal opinion (from someone who's tried a fair bit of them) the noble is, overall, far far better than anything remotely close to its price range, if not a fair bit above it. Pretty fair review overall though, even if it did seem like there was a bit of a Sanwa bias. Of course it's gonna be a bit different than a Sanwa, because it isn't a Sanwa... Either way, always enjoy when you upload, very informative.
Thanks, the radio is very good and really best in class in nearly every category. Controls (ergonomics) are rather subjective like I said. But I do think the Sanwa has the best performance with the Futaba a close second. The Spektrum really doesn’t belong in this class of radio, but they keep raising the price to the point where it now costs as much as the others!
I agree with Razor 100%. I have an M17, 7PXR, MT-44, NB4.
One thing you forgot to mention, you can plug this radio into your PC and use it as a controller for some PC racing games!
Oh daang that's awesome! Imma gonna try that
Most flysky remotes you can .
He forgot alot of things.. that i didnt like this i didnt like blabla too much negativity, claiming he knows all about the settings wich he obviously doesnt🤣😂 cuz 80% of his problems can be adjusted both with tiny hex and with calibration, and software.. i think his just marketing his own brand. This is like a propaganda bs video😂
You can also do that with the flysky gt3b if you want some budget pc racing
I've got a new one two weeks ago,and I have no dead zone or weird expo problem. Going in my son's new b6.4! I have been in this hobby over 20 years racing and would not hesitate to get this sucker!
Not counting the (thankfully, small) collection of RTR transmitters, I have three mid/upper-range radios - Futaba 7PX, FlySky GT3C, and FS Noble NB4. Before deciding to get the NB4, I was seriously considering the more-recently-released Pro (although, I will mention that the 'interest' in the Pro was prior to its actual release)...however, once it was released, and the street price was known, I have a feeling a LOT of people decided to get the NB4, instead.
That being said, I've seen several racers (at NorCal, no less) using the NB4, and liking it quite a bit. It was because of talking with two of them (approx 4-5 months ago) that helped me in deciding to get the NB4...and, other than the "model memory & firmware upgrade problem" (unlike other radios, which retain model memories when upgrading firmware, the NB4 doesn't...you have to 'backup' the model memories to your PC, then update the Tx firmware, then 'restore' the model memories, and (finally) update the firmware on every Rx).
A quick "side note": From what I understand, with the most recent Tx firmware, users no longer have to update the Rx firmware. I am going to take a 'guess', and assume that, moving forward, the Tx automatically updates each Rx firmware the next time the Tx connects to each Rx, thus rebinding is probably also no longer required. However, I am also going to assume that the "model memory & firmware upgrade problem" still exists. If anyone can confirm/contradict this, please, let us know.
Getting back to my NB4, even though it came highly recommended from a few other NB4 users (including two NorCal racers), I'm not using it in my land-based (hint, hint) race vehicles...that's what the 7PX is for. The primary "use" for my NB4 is my boats (including race boats), as the receivers are water-resistant (I'll never call an Rx "waterproof", unless it's a potted Rx, such as the marine-grade receivers from Spektrum...all others, I will consider as "water-resistant", no matter what the manufacturer 'claims'), with additional use going to most of my crawlers, and one basher. So far, I've had no problems. The only 'irritation', which I discovered (and solved, thanks to a video from WTF RC Cars) early in my NB4 ownership, was in trying to figure out which setting to use when binding the 8Ch & 12Ch receivers (yes, the NB4 does support up to a 12Ch receiver.
The NB4 is "rock solid" (crawler pun not intended, tho, it does fit)...and, in certain ways, even better than my 7PX. I'll admit that the manual is far from the best...a lot needs to be "figured out" through 'trial & error'...but, once a user learns to understand the "uniqueness" of the NB4 (which can easily take several months), said users will discover how great this radio is. I've 'discovered' many great things about it, and I'm sure I haven't even discovered at least 50% of what it can do. The point is, the NB4 is an excellent RC radio...not just "for the money", but 'in general'. Is it better than the 7PX (which was recently replaced by the 10PX)? For the greatest part, no...but, again, in some ways, yes (ESPECIALLY the menu system, which is the BEST menu system I've seen). Is it better than most Spektrum radios? Most definitely. As for Sanwa, I can't say, as I've never (and, probably, will never, due to outrageous Rx prices) owned one.
All you said is true. It took me a few month with the help of my friend who understands the remote in-and-out he showed me so much also what learned on my own. Bad-ass radio.
@@RazorRoo1989 what things did you learn I have this radio and it's my first real nice one.
Sounds like you work in sales
For FlySky
Me and countless drivers race with the NB4 in our local onroad club since it was released. It is more than capable for racing. Best value around.
I’m a left handed driver that feature with the wheel is nice. This seems like a nice upgrade to my current radio, a Spektrum DX3R that I’ve been using for like 10 - 15 years now so this might be a radio I’ll pull the trigger on
Did you ever try the nb4? I ask because like you I also am a long time dx3r fan.
I love mine. It's place for me is a higher end, feature rich, basher radio. I have no experience with any high end race radios, but it seems like what you're pointing out are preferences, not necessarily shortcomings.
I do believe the nb4 is the best value radio in the market today, i do have a sanwa mt44 and m17, i feel more responsive because it is way lighter and fit comfortable to my hand (awesome grip design), but the nb 4 have more flexibility in features and can be tune easily without reading the manual, i used my nb4 with my 1/28 scale drift and racing because of the cheap micro receiver, mini-z evo and perform great, used also on my several 1/10 crawler, rock racer, drift, basher, and vintage RC, it very flexible and most important the receivers a price very reasonable, my sanwa radio use only for my competition buggies only, which i seldom use it. If you are focus in high level competitive racing, i really suggest investing on a sanwa high end radio (main reason LIGHT WEIGHT less fatigue and more connected to the driver), but if you are in a budget and you have different RC platform, and can be tuned easily then 100 percent NB4.
Been waiting for this one! I have two of these and I’m not a fan of the range, but the fit and finish in my experience is amazing. Thanks for the review!
Just bought one, found a good deal at Walmart online. Starting my second season racing indoors.... A fellow racer bought one last year and really liked it. I loved the feel of it, has some weight to it. my first big upgrade was a good charger, this controller is my second upgrade in my tool bag. For under $200 including shipping, I think it will be way better than the stock Traxxas and Team Associated radios that I got with my RTRs!
For $300 AUD getting two small RXs this is a pretty good deal.
Quick summary after 5 years not racing TC. previous Tx was the mt4
Small, nice wheel size, good finish, light, USB chargeable battery, touch screen, short brake throw.
Can't think of any negatives so far. Better feel possibly than my previous mt4 due to size I think. Topped my group last night. Felt very at home with the Radio instantly, no adjustment needed whatsoever!
And I’m loving the cruise control now. I kept my stock Trx4 transmitter because of that. Not any more. Love it. 👌🏻👌🏻
Set mine to -30 on expo for onroad. Ran it a bunch went back to my m17 and gained a half second just because of the lag in the steering alone. Still a good radio for the price and works great for offroad dirt
😂 first you are comparing it against the top end Sanwa. Next you had -30 and complain about lag lol. Just bec someone said there is a dead zone lag doesn't mean it's there and even if it's there it doesn't mean you can feel that it's there. Try again or else go for the pro. I'm not a fan boy I'm a dedicated Sanwa user but fair is fair and reviews sometimes have to take with some salt 😅
I have had mine for 3 years and LOVE IT!
Funny, I'm looking to replace my current kit radio with another, BECAUSE of a huge steering deadzone. Thank you for mentioning this!
I may have to do some investigation into the steering be interesting to see just the nb4 connected to a servo with a long arm and see if it is the exact same 1 to 1 through the full motion as in an RC the angle the servo arm meets the servo can give the same effect as expo :)
Yes, that's why I ran both the Sanwa and Flysky in the exact same car, it's hard to see, but I have two receivers in my Schumacher because I was running them back to back. I've also ran the Spektrum and Futaba with the same car as the Sanwa, and they are all pretty much identical, only the Flysky had the expo effect.
Great vid and thanks for the mention :) 👍 I have raced with the nb4 and did really well but didn't notice any issue with steering expo but definitely something I'll look into :)
No problem, great videos on the Noble, I found them very helpful! If your car is configured around the +expo, it's possible to get it to behave in a linear fashion and you might think it's normal. But if you're running a normal setup on the car and compare it to another radio, it should be apparent. You should see a lot of initial steering right off neutral in about the first 10-15% of throw, and then the car will feel lazy/loss of mid-corner steering as you get to about 50-60% of throw.
@@RazorRC Cool I have a good way to test for it so I'll get a vid done and see exactly what's going on also test it against the pro cos we got one of them too, I've just been looking and many of the high end servos we have come with adjustable dead zone so may look in to a vid on that too :)
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My NB4 has no steering deadzone whatsover and has good linearity. Spring tension on throttle and break also feels even to me.
I recently got an NB4 and can confirm there is zero deadzone.
Just picked this up with two RX's for $176.52 to door, Thanks for the video !
I have mine for over 3 years. Great for the money. 170 with 2 Rx. Hard to beat. And runs mixes for moa mixes.
yes the deadzone was fixed in the pro. i have it. the deadzone was due to hardware mechanical/ not software if i read correctly
ROGUE GREAT INFO BUD
Flysky really designed an impressive transmitter feature-wise, but then destroyed it with these hilariously bad deadzones. What were they thinking? For me the NB4 therefor is not an option. I'd rather go with a sanwa mts, futaba 4pm or the kopropo ex-rr.
As you're pretty much the "transmitter-review youtube-guy" i would love to see what you have to say about the kopropo ex-next LDT with it's unconventional laydown trigger.
A review from you would indeed be so awesome.
Destroyed it. lol do you have this radio. Have you actually tried it? Just bec 1 reviewer said it's has this issue doesn't mean that you can feel it and even if you have super spider sensitivity doesn't mean that this radio is destroyed for all application. I'm a super big Sanwa fan but be fair and not be a rabbit and juml to conclusions just bec some reviewer said it lol😅
for drag racing and basic speed runs this has been my favorite option under 400. setting start point to 40% and at the click of a button, gets me out as fast as any of the other high end choices, straight line racing. I see how on the track that could be a big deal, thanks for pointing out. may be a fix an update can solve at some point. Great honest review Razor rc
@Itry RC Try playing with the start point as every car will be different to get the best off the line take off without loosing grip, mine is 40 percent. its cool after setting, trying different tires to truly see what each will take and wont. when you watch drag racing rc lot of times the nerves, again these are talented drivers,will flip upside down (land on lid) or leave the track almost instantly, will prevent that jsut about 100% of the time. the abs option is great for at the end of runs when you really need to stop, it will help save tires from sliding instead of braking , past that you can play with "shift points" witch allows for smooth throttle start to finish. setting the seconds for how long you want to get to 100% full trigger. throttle kill button is great when you dont want to accidentally pull full throttle while holding or working on car. Check out wtf rc cars for great NB4 reviews and rx to best suit. no need for bind plug, the fgr8b is my goto receiver. range is great and by a simple update allows for an extended range option.use what best options fit your driving . not all these options are needed for everyone.. Best luck Itry
over a year ago i would have agreed with this video , but ,just to clarify , with the latest software update the nb4 is lightening quick and is totally raceable , all the latency and feel issues are gone and i have no issues getting any of my cars on apex repeatedly.
yes, I did a comparison with the RC8X with both of them updated and now the NB4 is awesome performance-wise.
I'm getting this over the dx5. Thanks for the review..my buddy Chris doesn't like the flysky but I do!! Again thanks!!
I have the nb4 and have zero dead zone across 4 cars/buggys/trucks 4 different classes and all is good
Good thorough review. I got this transmitter with an RTR crawler funny enough.
Just ordered mine in the UK-180 gbp. It was the 180 steering wheel that sold it to me (im a left hander, ad its about the cheapest good left hander) All the rest is a bonus so well pleased! Im just a basher really, but i still feel it hampers my driving, hit too many things due to lack of finesse ad control-it will save me money too!
Weird thing on my NB4. when I power it on it has an Asian accented English voice that says welcome to noble, but when powering it off has the regular English voice. Haven't heard anyone elses do that. Last night met up with a club, and about 6 others with NB4's haven't heard it either. Also, i dont have any deadzone issues, but sometimes it seems like it wants to hang on to steering in on direction, almost like the steering isn't returning to center, not sure what to do about that.
Awesome review, would it be possible for a long term review to mainly talk about how the wheel hinge holds up? That's always been the one thing keeping me from going for that radio
good idea, but unfortunately this radio will mostly sit on the shelf as I don't really have a purpose for it. maybe some of the other channels that use it regularly can provide long-term feedback.
@@RazorRC fair enough, I don't think I can see it replacing a DX6R in the immediate future anyways
Have had 2 for over a year with pretty heavy use, the hinge is as good now as the day it came out of the box.
I got the pro yesterday and I do not notice any dead zone in the steering. There was a 10% deadzone set for the throttle that I removed.
I've been trying to see if I experience the same steering dead spot and I really don't. The servo moves as soon as I put any motion into the wheel. If it's there, it's imperceptible to me, even with very, very little turning. I wonder if anyone else experiences the steering dead zone? I'm using the mini receiver and an embarrassingly fairly low end servo on my XB4.
Do you think the dead zone and non linear turning is something that can be fixed in software, or is it a physical problem with the wheel? Good work by the way.😉
Well, there's no way to fix it, so whether it's hardware or software you can't do anything about it. I would guess software, as the FS-GT5 is definitely software, but then I don't know why Flysky didn't fix it in the Noble.
It is an amazing rock crawler radio. Channel mixing is simple to run MOA crawlers
The issues mentioned in the video is why I wished the noble pro was reviewed instead of this. I hear the pro can be bought new at 325 usd with the right timing and sales coupons. The steering dead zone bugs the heck out of me, and I am looking for a top-end radio. It is the usual suspects of futaba or sanwa m17, but if those issues were sorted in the pro, saving 200 dollars is a big deal
I don't think it makes sense for anyone to buy a Noble Pro. If you want performance at a decent price get a 4PM or MT-44/MT-5 for the same price or less. There's almost no chance the Pro is any better.
@@RazorRC many race with this radio in hong kong, touring gt, rather than the above alternatives. I guess the difference between sponsored and non-sponsored
@@SengLeeKoh It's not a matter of sponsorship, the people buying Sanwas and Futabas are paying their own way. It could be the Pro is better, but Sanwa/Futaba have made the best radios for decades, and the Pro just came out in the last few months from a company that could never make a radio close in performance. I watched several videos on the Noble, and none of them mentioned the driving issues, so either I didn't watch the right videos, or people are not qualified to distinguish the difference. If your local drivers think the Pro is equal or better at a lower price, then it doesn't matter what I say. You either believe them or you don't and can decide based on that.
@@RazorRC Thanks for your efforts. There is a significant difference between the pro version the nb4 - this is not just opinion but fact from the ones who upgraded. Saying otherwise, as you did the pro isn't any better, is your right accordingly to your own user experience and requirement. But much appreciated.
@@SengLeeKoh I meant the Pro is probably not better than a Sanwa MT-44/MT-5 or Futaba 4PM and you should just buy one of those if you want high performance for around $300-350. I believe the Pro is better than the regular Noble, my friend is the US distributor of Flysky, I've been told that as well.
I definitely would love to see a comparison between the Noble Nb4 and the Noble Pro.
The pro is mostly for mini based rc.
I have 1 of the first generation NB4's and for what I use it for I give it 5 stars over all and I keep learning more and more about it the more I use it! You failed to mention the wide variety of flysky receivers, 20 model memory if you have a small fleet. It has a place to hook up a lanyard to put around your neck as well. Also if you're like me and want a really nice radio the NB4 is the way to go! I paid $250.00 for mine new.
Definitely have seen people racing with this, maybe not on a national televised level but its at the least club level material. There is some big name bias going on for sure. At $140 new, there is no way anything is coming close to competing with this deal. Not to mention the fact it can be plugged directly into the PC and used for VRC, the receivers are $25-$40 depending where you get them vs $50-$100+ for the other names, and the battery is detachable and can be used for other things. Im not sure if it deserves a huge protective case like a $800 Futaba, but then again you can buy 4 of these for the cost of one of the others. Had I seen this review first I probably would have passed up on this deal and Im glad I seen the review after I purchased mine.
Thanks for the thorough review
Great review. Thank you!
I would love to see a feature that has an onscreen speedometer with top speed.
Not sure if that even exists but it seems doable.
Great review. As ever, very informative for those of us thinking of consolidating an ever growing number of radios. Now, have your sledge and MT8 arrived and can we please hear your thoughts 👍?
Please, if at all possible, make a video on how to update the software on it. I have only found one video, that wasn't very clear on the process. I would love to see you make one.
Really nice review. As always, very fair.
Perfect stream. How could Arrma AVC be realized with this Radio?
Wassupperz Razor, that was a mighty fine review on the radio. I enjoy the content of all your vids sir.
Quick question tho… I am in need of a new radio and have my eye on a Spektrum DX5 pro... have you ever reviewed that radio and/or what are your thoughts on it?
Thanks, I haven’t reviewed that one, but it does have a screw to hold in the battery door which I think is kinda dumb. Frame rate is 5.5ms, a little on the slow side.
What radio in your opinion shall I consider?… I have not officially raced, just been bashing my RC’s… I was looking at the spektrum because of the price. I was under the impression it was up there since it’s not a cheap radio.
@@JPistols Sounds like I need to make another mid-range radio shootout!
Once you try an NB4, you may not want to consider another transmitter. I’ve heard some good things about the DX5C but most of the racers and drifters near me have said the NB4 is REALLY good given the price.
Granted, price is always going to be a concern but when you’re looking at radios at this price, the NB4 is hard to beat.
Just got mine. I'm gonna use it in my no prep drag car.
Being new to programming radios, I have 6 cars and one boat. Would you recommend this to a new person?
Or Radio Link?
Would really like to know why rc remotes are the only thing that are held in the left hand and the trigger is done with left hand. Guns, fishing pole, drill, grinder, welder, etc. is the other way. Racing video games the right trigger operates the gas and left hand steers. Real cars right hand shifts left hand steers.
Rc remotes are left handed.
lol i said the exact same thing when i got into RCs. im left handed and all the radios felt natural to me. left handed radios dont make sense to me as a leftie.
Hopefully they fix the steering dead zone in a firmware update. Have you communicated the issue to flysky?
As a lefty, I really appreciate FlySky making this reversible!!
Have you since tried to pro version to see if it resolves the issues you had? I am thinking about ordering the pro.
This is a fair, in depth review. Perfect video for this radio. Question: Should NB4 along with module FS-RM005 be compatible with Mini-z buggy MB-010VE 2.0 that uses FHSS protocol?
I realize this is an old comment but did you get this setup to work? I want to get the MB-010VE 2.0 but do not have a mini z transmitter and don't really want to burn $50 on one if this is a good buy. I have a 7pxr for my big cars but this seems nice for the mini z and really the only option besides the cheap ones.
i use this setup so I guarantee it works flawlessly with mini-z. NB4 manual has no information but there are tutorials in RUclips to make this work.
Question: does it automaticallt detect your model if you have multiple bound models? Or do you have to manually select?
Hallo RazorRC will you compare the noble nb4 vs the noble nb4 PRO?
That is my only gripe with the nb4 the very sensitive steering with hardly any input like you said a little expo dialed it in and also slowing the servo 0.2 also worked a treat for me as i race on hard dirt with my servo it was too twitchy so slowing it down slightly smoothed the steering right out
Nice review bud video are so good 👍
Nice job. Looks like a decent one from everything I’ve seen for awhile.
Nice Video! Do you recommend this transmitter for bashing cars?
Yes, absolutely
$33 for the 8ch button bind receiver on hobbyking. $25 for the small receiver. Plug and play for VRC Pro btw.
Good video as always, but didn't like the background music/pling.
After seeing this video and your other Transmitter videoes, I ended up with the Spektrum DX5C Smart 5-Channel DSMR Transmitter with SR6100AT. I don't race, only bash. Also I have several Arrma cars and one Proboat (with Spectrum electronics).
Was thinking about getting this set up! I see the futaba gyro was added in after wards, how is compatibility with this transmitter. Im hoarding parts for a build and have a GYD550 in hand and was considering this if it all works well
Hobbyking has it the cheapest at $180usd with 2 racing receivers. It also plugs in to VRC as a controller!!!! Way faster and cheaper than any other at that price point. I will never buy a $700usd transmitter. Thanks for your great channel 👌🥰
I run serveral RC cars including a MOA crawler. no one talks about extra channel controls in ANY of the radio reviews. what are channel 3-8 controls? what knobs levers and switches do I have to chose from to program dig and or 4 wheel steering?
What firmware number was this radio? I see the video is about 10 months old as of my viewing.
How would you compare this to the new Radiolink RC8X radio?
Any way you can try to find out how they fixed that issue on the pro version.. and if there’s any way to diy or upgrade for v1 ?
It must be hardware, as they didn't fix it in the regular Noble even in the latest firmware.
@@RazorRC I was thinking same thing maybe a hardware issue perhaps something simple like the wheel ..if it is please ask them if they can sell replacement parts .. I’m just going through some buyers remorse now I got one coming soon
Thanks for this review Razor. I am just getting into rwd drifting and need to upgrade to a better radio than my old Flysky I use for my bashers. I was considering the NB4 but after seeing this video and hearing about the steering issues now I'm not sure and thinking maybe I should get the 4PM. If anybody has the NB4 and you use it for drifting, have you had any issues?
No issues with my Mini Z. Been using it for a month or so. Love it! Hands down best tx I’ve owned
@@lektro808 Thanks for the feedback
@@michaelcorleone287 No. I scored a really nice KO Propo on a trade.
i agree 100 percent , i got it before this video and i love it.. If i would have watched this before hand I would have not bought it. so sometimes its tough going by 1 persons opinion, being as knowledgeable as razor rc. cant give an opinion to the drifting but over all a good option that shouldnt be overlooked. This comming from 1 who owns the nb4 and the 4pm both great. with the 4pm rx running around 15 to 30 more then the flysky rx
That steering stuff is weird. I'm wondering if they changed the steering potentiometer at one point to one that outputs slightly different values.
Mine has neither the deadzone nor the expo you're talking about, I even tested back to back with a M17 and some people used to Sanwa gear.
Whats better in this prange tho? $200 shipped isnt bad but if the dead zones are that bad idk about racing this radio. Whats better for close to the same price?
They have a new version, the NB4+ which is pretty good. I’m also selling my old race radio, MT-4S if you’re looking for something cheap and fast.
@RazorRC I'm in lol
Hi i am Vince ,
I have the FlySky Noble NB4 but I don’t have in Setting the option “ USB function ” but some people yes ! How is it possible? I would like play some PC car racing game, but I can’t! 😨what you do you think why ?
I believe they have fixed the dead spots in the latest update
Just bought the radio and esc’s the FGR4S V2 will not bind channel 1. Binds everything else besides Channel 1.
Silly question , do you have the latest firmware on the radio and the receivers ?
yes, I even rechecked it about a week ago
@@RazorRC only asking as in the early firmware the steering expo settings were backwards. So in order to make it less sensitive you had to go plus on the expo.
It changed on the latter firmware, so if that's the case going Minus will make off centre feel laggy
Does it work with older Flysky receivers like for gt5?
Thanks. So if noble is)4 star, what is the best tx . I got sanwa m12r, paying 5x $. hate it heavy cheap plastic.
They must've fixed the steering dead zone cuz mine doesn't have one. I barely breath on my steering wheel and my car twitches lol.
What is the difference between the two types of receivers it comes with?
I have the Futaba, which I like....but it's not the most intuitive/user friendly. It would be amazing if it had a better display and screen controls that the Noble has. The performance issues with the Noble though would probably drive me crazy since it would be use exclusively on carpet.
Yeah, it really is not very good control-wise. The average basher or entry-level racer is not going to notice, but anyone who races at an intermediate level or higher will notice for sure.
Yeah. Tell that to a bunch of people who ride NB4 and win competitions against Sanwa and Futaba. A problem sucked from the finger, which, surprisingly, was not found by any reviewer on the Internet. Of course, I understand, it's a shame when the equipment for 200 dollars is faster and more pleasant than for 700. Frank nonsense. You always have some kind of "special opinion" on everything.
@@АццкийСотона-ч9о LOL! Kind of thinking the same thing too. "the average basher or entry level racer" LOL! Cmon man. Youre a fan boy.
I am a little confused on the review. So if it is a better radio than the DX5C but for a racing application the Spektrum is more responsive?
The Spektrum is linear and actually controls the car correctly, but is much slower. They’re both not great for racing, not sure which I would choose, maybe the Flysky.
It blows my mind that Dakotah Phend has been winning lots of races with a DX5. Then again, the pros all slow down their Sanwa and Futaba radios so then I suppose they are about as slow as a DX5.
@@shaun4298 Yeah, really impressive. I think he's using a DX5 Pro, I'm not sure if they're below 5.5ms frame rate yet, but that's what the high end Spektrums did in the past.
@@RazorRC Thank you for this review and your followup answer here. Appreciated as I have been torn between staying spektrum or trying the Noble.
aw its here. anyways there are updates on firmwares. hows the performance after upgrading.
it's already updated to the latest
i have futaba 7pxr its loke like toys now i have nb4pro really its professional
If youre going to pair that with something more powerful....maybe with the tekno eb48 or mt410. That would be great for me since this is the radio that runs all my teknos!!
will the GT-5 receivers work with the NB4 ?? Thank you
No, you need the AFHDS3 based receivers.
When you mentioned that some of the other transmitters can connect to their own servos the nb4 can do this too via ibus or even using some of the other high speed connections like the 1000hz theta servos may be worth trying some see if you like the way it works with them,
ruclips.net/video/mI0hQLpJNXk/видео.html
Might be a good one for those racing/drifting mini scale rc
Does anyone know if you can program SW1 or SW2 D/R to 100% with the push of a button? I sometimes run a low D/R and in some instances need 100% quickly.
Would your or anyone say that it’s “faster” than the spectrum dx5c?? I want an edge for racing indoor buggy.
The only thing I don't like about the noble is I have big hands I'm 6'7 so the trigger for #2 channel is to small for me It will make me jump on the line if I'm not careful. I just got an idea to cut the one piece so I can get in enough to pull it and put on breaks.
I think the trigger is adjustable to widen it.
@@RazorRC lol did that. Picture Baseball mitts in a key board. LMAO 🤣 Or big hotdogs stuck in brass knuckles. 🤣 That's what I'm facing.
Aliexpress has the best deal, i just bought it for $178
Why do these transmitters and receivers only work in expensive cars? They seem to be cheap in price and should work in the cheap cars logically!
I’m quite upset I got a FGR4 S receiver in a micro crawler but it won’t pair up to my fly sky FSGT 3b can anybody Try and pair one and let me know how it’s
The Pro is better. Much more features and more to come. They have a Gyro model receiver now. INR4-GYR and the INR6-GYR. They work with NB4 but with pro you can assign buttons to use the gyro much better.
Hi sir can i used this in l0si 8 nitr0
This will be my first expensive controller, coming from xmods to kyosho mini z haha sooooo but of a jump for me
Another problem is you cannot use old model receivers from fly sky at all big concern because I bought a miniature crawler with a FGr 4s Now I’m left in the dark with having to pay for a super expensive dumbass remote
For low latency 1 way connection you bind it like this, you won't get the same binding complete message as it's a 1 way connection :)
ruclips.net/video/WJsy08j3GOk/видео.html
thanks, I was able to bind in 1-way after recording the video, would be interesting to see if that makes a difference to the deadzone and steering expo, but I'm guessing it only affects the latency.
😂Very unusual these days to get the last radio you may ever need, first!
Negative on the inside, not on the ones i have in AFHDS2A.
Very interesting! Glad i went sanwa
the best radios IMO
ill stick with my futaba lol ...