Never Too Late to Become a Surgeon ft. Dr. Richard J. Brown | Beyond the Scope | ND MD
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Welcome to the Beyond the Scope Podcast presented by ND MD. This podcast continues the mission of sharing the incredible stories and experiences of students, physicians, and healthcare professionals...but this time it's all about the things all those years of medical training doesn't prepare you for. Things that are beyond the scope of our practice. Whether it's navigating starting a family as a medical student or physician, or learning how to invest as a student, the goal is to bring on incredible guests who can guide you through those puzzling questions. Today we have another familiar face to the channel telling his incredibly unique path to medical school and plastic surgery. Dr. Richard J. Brown is a plastic surgeon in Arizona who also uses his passion for education to expose millions to the world of surgery. His story is for the non-traditional student wondering if it's worth the journey to medical school and surgery later in life.
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Another great session Andy. Thanks for having me. I hope this helps people who need it.
Hi. There is something im very confused about. Im a female med student from a country in Asia and im really interested in surgery. I wanna get residency in surgery in the US. but ive heard that as a female dr my scope in surgery is limited as patients usually prefer male surgeons over female. If its true i might reconsider so i wanna know if its really like that or not
So inspiring thank you Dr. Ricky you are inspiring me like crazy.
I love Dr. Brown’s story because I feel like it’s much more relatable to everyone. His grades were not perfect when applying to med school but yet that one school gave him a chance and now he works in one of the most competitive specialties.
I really needed to hear this especially being an older student.
@@jackhammer078jack4 I feel you on that. I’m 24 right now and doing a special master’s program. I still haven’t even applied once and I’m not applying until next cycle. I have some people in my program who have had previous careers and have families. Each one of us has our own unique experience to medicine and that’s what makes it awesome.
Thank you so much. You are spot on. It’s amazing. I did not script it. It just all fed off of each other. Pretty wild.
He's the coolest
For anyone in doubt, im 30 and in my second bachelors for nursing before I complete my 1yr ICU residency then CRNA school. I have many colleagues in their 40s and late 30s all taking a new journey. Dont let the pressure of those around you or the "go to highschool then do this, and do that" get to you. Trust in your process, yourself, be happy and healthy and enjoy your journey. You dont have to be traditional to be special.
Great video! I just started my pre-med path a few months ago. I'm 35, and have been a paramedic in the military for the last 17 years. I love emergency medicine and can't see myself pursuing anything else! I love hearing the stories of non traditional and those who struggled with grades in the past becoming successful doctors. Thank you for the motivation.
I did ems 6 years and military for 8 and I’m 32. I just applied for Vr&e benefits this month to go back to school and start undergrad to go premed. My grades were always horrible in high school. But I did great in ems in NYC and I love medicine. I say do it.
This was great. My husband (30) is applying for medical school next year. We have two kids. He’s been in the military for 12 years. He’s working so hard to get into med school while still in. It helps comfort me that other people say that you can do it at an older age.
I shadowed an anesthesiologist back in December and his story was so amazing. He traveled his whole life, pursued things he desired at the time. Then one day he was like I wanna go to medical school and went at 40 years old!
goodluck to him! im pushing towards 40 but wont stop me from going into head & neck surgery...
It’s totally doable. Of this is what he wants. He just needs to go for it. Tell him I had a 42 yo nurse in my medschool class.
Best of luck to your husband! I start med school at 32. If he has any questions feel free to DM me
@@latinoheat447im 30 and am giving my pre med exams soon. God be with you bois we can do it
Cool interview! I found his story inspiring and motivating to me as a 43 y/o pushing hard to finish my bachelors then hopefully get into PA school.
Which University u r Studying? If no problem sharing!
Good luck man.
Wow👍👍👍How many more yrs until PA school? And where?
This was a great interview. I am currently a 3rd year student as well hoping to go into surgery and I am currently 39 years old. I had issues as well with applying, got one interview and got accepted. All you need is one school.
Wow! Awesome 👍 Are you a US student or International?
@@strongDr I’m a US student.
Yes!
You inspire me. Well done!
I love that his, falling in love with surgery you're never too old was 27 hahaha. You are a real one for starting at 39, so proud of internet stranger!
Great story, however I do not consider 27 yrs old as "later in life".
Never is too late, after received my law degree in 2016 and worked as a lawyer for almost 6 years I came back to the university at 30 this time as a med student. It wasn't easy to take the decision but here I'm so if you really want it just keep pushing your effort to get it.
How can you go back to school with bills and responsibilities?
Tenacity, compassion, empathy and in-person socialization will take you far in life!
Great podcast. I'm finishing my MD PhD training and it's definitely been a crazy journey. One lesson that I'm starting to realize is that learning and growing never stops in medicine. There's never a point where you know everything or have it locked down. That includes patient communication and finding ways to treat your patients. There's always something that comes out of nowhere you have to deal with. But if there's one lesson my doctoral training taught me, it's learning to use your mistakes as motivation to hone in on the areas that matter than trying to learn everything. I think the hardest aspect of being a doctor is being a good communicator. It's not about being extroverted. It's about being able to communicate what's important and empowering to a patient. Even as I finish medical school, I'm learning that what we say matters more than what we do. If you crush the action but mess up on the prep work of talking with your patient, the former doesn't matter as much as you think in the long term. Building patient trust can be some of the most difficult things to do, especially being a younger person where a great proportion of your patients are older.
Take things day by day and don't rush. Rushing makes you take worse options than you otherwise would've done. For me, wanting to get things done faster was more of a way to face my fears and uncertainties than anything else. But it's not a good way to think of your journey in medicine. Instead, focus on making use of every opportunity in front of you. Besides keeping you sane, you'll find yourself getting more out of life doing other activities than simply medicine. Even taking time to read a good book on medical history can do wonders helping you understand your patients. It's the small stuff you do that often matters more than the big events in life.
Love this man. Lots of great points.
I'm trying to be in a PA after 40. Always been interested in medicine and science for years. A big medical science nerd here 💊😁
I am a non traditional medical graduate .
Our stories are amalgamation of perseverance, never-say-die attitudes, and existential crises.
I am still in undergrad studying sciences/clinical sciences. I’m going to be 30 this year. I hope to be in med school later in the years. I’m not done pursuing goals when I have a lifetime to live.
The best part is - I’m doing it while enjoying the process. I served in the Marines, have a great career in engineering and that helps finance my real interests which is medicine. I wouldn’t do it any other way and don’t care how old I am. You shouldn’t either.
It’s never too late. As long as you’re alive, healthy, and functioning.
I would love for you to pick a physician (or a few) and do an episode legitimately talking about the amount of time it takes to become a physician. I can never get more than a quick, snarky response out of anyone but I think it's worth discussing. With all of the "complaining" that there aren't enough doctors, do you feel that the current way physicians are trained is necessary? Why can someone become a lawyer taking evening classes but you have to give up your entire life to do 4 years of med school? Go down that rabbit hole. Can med school be done in a non-full-time format? Are there ways for people to keep their jobs while training to be a physician so they can support their families? I'd love to hear a deep conversation on this from the position of people who have been through it.
Sadly, this was my experience with doctors as well. Always snark. Also, they replace normal words with "interventional radiologist," instead of surgeon or doctor. It's like people who say photovoltaic panels, and you ask them about it, and then, they say, solar panels, just to waste time and imply that someone is stupid.
Theres certainly other ways to become a physician but in the US, we choose profit over a holistic approach. Shit. Look at all the big name schools and grad schools finally getting lawsuits now for their dishonest processes, this is only the beginning. It can take up to 30 years to be a top lebel sushi chef in japan, so by comparison, practicing medicine is also to be looked at as an endless journey rathwr than something one can do for x amount of years and be considered "sufficient" or good. Were always practicing in medicine whether its year 1 or 21.
Hard one to swallow but. Learning the human body to a point that you can treat just takes time. Medschool is just the foundation. The learning how to treat happens in residency. Let me give you an example. I started Jiujitsu a few months ago. It takes 10,000 reps to become a master at any one move. Residency are the reps. Medschool is them showing me how to do the move. It simply takes time. Training to be a lawyer is way different. You need as many reps as possible before you start practice.
@@doctorricky I completely agree with residency. I'm more speaking about schooling. With residency, at least that's a paying job. But for someone later in life, who has a family to support, going to school for 4 years with zero income just isn't an option. I have a feeling the medical community is losing a lot of potential doctors because they just can't give up their life for 4 years of zero income. If there was another way to get the education and then make it into residency, where they'd actually be paid, we might not have such a shortage. This is what I'd like people to discuss... alternatives for the schooling portion of training.
@@slonkak I believe that in general, people that are not interested in pursuing med school are not disinterested because med school is a full-time commitment. And it totally is an option to do med school later in life; it simply comes with great sacrifices.The shortage comes from the fact that the population produces human beings much quicker than it produces physicians, not because you can't work part time in med school.
2.6 GPA UG to surgeon??? Holy shit! Inspo… that’s my inspiration
There are others like that. Dont assume.
@@Be1smaht who’s assuming what? Maybe context clues aren’t your thing, but people like that inspire me. There’s no judgement here, so maybe you’re the one projecting
This is so encouraging. Although I'm looking into Podiatric Medicine, sometimes I get imposter syndrome and scared because I'm 31 (feel old) lol.. and it's going to be 4 more years of school PLUS 3 years surgical residency... 😬
What an incredible guest! I saw his tik toka before and nice to see him back here ☺️💜
🙏🏻🙏🏻
This is a great story, I just started my pre med journey and will be entering medical school at around age 35-36
Young
@@zen_mindset1 comparatively it isnt though, most people are going to medical school around 22 and then into residency by 26, and then attending between 29-35
@@jnels2007actually your numbers are slightly off. the average first year medical school student is 24, average graduation age is 28.
@@log794 cool
Dr. Brown is right, about everything. But especially; good Drs are both, nice people and do great work. Meet a jerk Dr? Next. Advocate for yourself!
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Your channel is something else. Many thanks!
Realistically, I believe once you’ve started a family and have major responsibilities like a mortgage it becomes harder to pivot into something like medicine but if you don’t have all of these commitments you should go for it, fuck it, you’re on this earth for a very limited time might as well do what your heart desires
You both come off more than capable.
Excellent video. Dr. Brown is exceptional physician and call me like yourself, very impressive content creator. Excellent videos! Really thankful I found your channel. Keep up the hard work.
I love Andy, Brown and Cellini! Ya’ll are fantastic!!!
Appreciate you
This doctor’s vibe is hella dope! This channel is great!!! Gives me confidence, clarity, and fuel!
WOW!! I Needed to hear/watch this today! Dr. Browns journey parallels mine so much! And it’s my goal to go into plastics as a non traditional medical student. This was very motivating, thank you so much.
Get it buddy.
Thanks for this video. I really am in his shoes rn before choosing going into med school. His jorney is very inspiring and awsome to hear!
he's actually a really cool doctor i had DM him once about the path to med school and he was really helpful
Been an electrician for 8 years and just realizing I could’ve been a Dr by now. Lol
Love the sharing, it means so much. Inspiring me heading to becomes a surgeon from non science background my undergrad degree CGPA 2.85 don’t met the min requirement for the meds school, I then undertaking another BSc degree in Psychology then proceed for the graduate entry medicine. I know I can become a neurosurgeon.
Yes you can!
@@doctorricky Thank you so much to your attention it means so much to me Dr. Ricky
All you need is the tenacity and the belief you can be what you choose to be in life. It makes it easier to do well in school if you actually love the subject matter. Tell people all the time to fall in love with the subject as if you love it. You will see a great improvement in your grades. I love science in general. So even for the difficult sciences I tell myself I love it. Your mind is a powerful tool so utilize it.
27 is young…
Dr Rick is so inspiring... I am in my late 20's and have no other want in life except to practice in the future... I am trying and will keep going! Thank you for the inspiration and encouragement
Dr. Brown is so cool. I struggled thru my early 20s but he's inspired me to go back to school, remove my tattoos, and become a dr.
I've seen plenty of doctors with tattoos.
@@deshaunaharper6281 I unfortunately have a tattoo on my head :(
Vid starts at 4:11
What's the deal with YT videos being a low volume that isn't much above a whisper? I am struggling to listen. Please amplify your volume level.
Trying next year, at 29! Thank you for the motivation! 😊
“Do I see myself only as a physician” *cries in MD/PhD
I never knew you could call schools and chat with admissions officers. Idk if I’ll ever have the confidence to be able to do…reaching out to authority has always been the biggest mental barrier for me but I know I need to overcome it somehow in order to show people that I REALLY want this path
Dr. Brown is amazing!
I'm a senior professor and am far beyond thinking about med school (my MD brother of 40+ years kids me about my fear of blood as a factor in declining a medical career). But, Dr Brown is right: Andy, you are killing it and you'll “slay it. you're doing awesome”. This video does help me in the kind of advice I can share with my undergraduate students. Andy, hope this next year is terrific. And were I ever to need plastic or reconstructive surgery, Richard Brown, MD, would be such a great choice.
Appreciate the kindness
I love this story! Following him on instagram now! So human and genuine Doc .
Inspiring video ❤
what an awesome guy
He is so inspiring and God has led me to Dr. Brown. I am a senior in Nursing after changing from Kinesiology. I’ve always yearned to go to medical school. Like Dr. Brown I doubted my abilities in my junior year and changed to nursing. Thank you, Dr. Brown. I have my whole life ahead of me. Why not achieve the pinnacle of success and do the best I can in this life? I have a few prereqs to take and will study for the mcat next summer. I pray God will lead me to medical school. I will be a doctor one day.
Its not late unless you fucked up on step 1/2
What an amazing podcast today. It touch my heart honestly hearing someone who you can relate so much. Thank you ND and Dr. Brown.
Thank you
So he switched to majoring in chemistry & Got accepted to Medical School?
27 isn’t old! The average is like 25 lol
I had the same thought. Super click-baity title
I’m 43 and just have been accepted into medical school
Impressive interview! How did you get into med school with a 2.85 gpa? Every bad grade takes forever to improve in college.
Sorry I heard later in the video that you graduated with 3.8 gpa! That’s an awesome jump from 2.85!!
Yo bro my name is Punesh Singh from nyc I’m 26
I’m hoping to start nyu this upcoming fall of 2024 as and a transfer as a major in politics and then the goal to get to nyu grossmen as an endocrine surgeon , Dr. Brown for inspiration
Felt like the doc was only getting questions related to age when he has so much other valuable insight to offer. Don’t think it was on purpose though, seems like all the questions were prepared so there wasn’t room for organic back and fourth flow
As a 18 year old man with 0 knowledge in this field, I want to learn biology and chemistry then apply for a university, isn’t it is too late for me?
Wonderful podcast!!! Dr. Brown is cool💥
Appreciate you.
love to hear the non traditional student becoming a Dr. Biggest question is paying for it? all loans or were you able to pay as you go? How many years to pay off the loans?
Really appreciate the help and I don't know what you want for the past few years now I am not sure
Rip medical schools when they get a sruge of premeds at thier admissions office waiting to talk to someone 😂
Great pod....loooooong intro tho
Is working a job and going to med school manageable? Or do you work in hospitals while getting your degree?
This guy does all of this while he's in medical school??
The opposite extreme, it's always too early to become a doctor or butcher. Joking, not saying younger folks do not make good doctors. Just providing an opposite view.
36:20
but im 36. I feel like im over the hill. maybe its all in my mind
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Nice man!
going to med school at 26 doesn't impress me - how about in your 30s...now that is impressive.
When i was a teenager (90s), my pediatrician was someone who went to med school and became a doctor in his 40s. Some smart folk out there.
The question in medicine, is not age, it's always been...can those teaching accomplish the task in a reasonable amount of time, for human beings with a family and reproductive window, home mortgage window, kids with a college window etc... So the lay and law of the land is never age, the law is, if you are going to teach, it must be efficient and efficacious and must be backed up by a Masters in Education preferably..and most will have that and earn the MAed over the minimal 20 hours in education..the difference being what 10 to 15 more hours between the minimum criteria, 20 hours and the Masters Degree in Education. In other words, a person can specialize in all subject matter from a generalist stand point and then go back and specialize and do this within 1 to 5 years easily...which then closes in all the family, reproductive, children window. So in other words you are dealing with grand total of 8 to 10 years to finish everything including a specialty.
Yes and those 8-10 years you will paid a salary while in training
27?? hahahahahahaha. "Non-trad"
Awesome!! Thanks 😊
Jonny Kim astronaut started med school late aswell never late
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