Interestingly enough, when I met Joe Dante, our chat ended up pivoting towards... This movie. I was wearing an Apes shirt at the time and that is how the conversation pivoted. He said, "As bad as it was, it is the only adaptation that retains the original book's ending." Which is TECHNICALLY true, but Ape Lincoln is a bridge too far for me.
Yeah I feel like the ending would've landed if not for the Lincoln statue. That alone made it too confusing and its logic doesn't make sense. The movie established that the planet Mark Wahlberg is on is separate from Earth, similar to the original book, so having a statue of Thade on Earth is wrong
@@robgronotte1The book ended with the human astronaut finally returning to Earth, and being greeted by gorillas in military uniforms. And there was another twist ending in the book: The entire manuscript of the book was a 'message in a bottle' discovered in space by a pair of astronauts, who, after reading it, immediately wrote it off as total nonsense because, you see, the astronauts reading the manuscript were chimpanzees, and the whole notion of a talking human was ridiculous to them. (It was satire.)
@@Spongebrain97it’s not wrong at all, it’s saying that Thade didn’t die and that he somehow re engineered Leo’s first spaceship and landed on earth, it’s far fetched but it makes sense
The ending ain’t that bad people cry ohh it don’t make sense as if the originals all made sense but what hurts this ending more I think is just that it never got a sequel to explore modern earth ruled by the apes.
@@jabronisauce6833 the plot holes it raises can't be ignored, even with the explanation that Thade used Leo's pod. How did Thade get out of the Oberon? How did he get the pod out of the lake? How did he get it flying again? More importantly, how did he learn to fly?
@@amorojaz27 man I wrote a whole bit about the originals at the end of the second and start of the third that they had a similar issue but was thinking for a moment and yea you’re right. the plot holes in 2001 are bigger. He’s simply a general and does not posses the expertise or even any knowledge remotely close and they’re supposed to be terrified of the water nor do they have mechanical machines etc. guess my opinion of the ending has changed.
@@jabronisauce6833 if you liked it fine. It's just that I never did(I hate sad endings). And I agree about the plot hole of Escape. The writers just came up with that plot in a time when people were more willing to overlook logical issues. It's really the kind of retcon I can accept, because without it there would be no movie.
I can’t imagine how a full cgi planet of the apes movie would have been in 2001 lol. I’m glad they did the makeup look sometimes I kind of Prefer it over cgi it has a certain charm to it .
The make up is great honestly the make up and costumes of the originals weren’t that bad but CGI is the way to go now days but still doesn’t stop stupid writing like the first new one where the cops came at flipping chimps and gorillas with police batons like I’d rather nose dive of the bridge.
@@bradavonreckon they’ll show some space scenes in any of the planned future POA movies, I get they’re trying to be more realistic but I really enjoyed the space scenes and time travelling etc in the POA movies.
@@Ape-Nation But what about the John Chambers make-up versions from the past "Apes" films? They may not have been perfect, but they were unforgettable as well.
Considering where CGI was at the time, I'm glad they didn't try to do CGI apes in 2001 and they went with the costumes. I think it would have looked terrible.
The only best parts of the film: 1.) The phenomenal makeup work on the apes done beautifully by Rick Baker, *THE* legendary movie makeup artist! 2.) Tim Roth (aka Abomination of the MCU fame) stole the show as murderous General Thade. Also the costume of him is amazing! 3.) Charlton Heston’s cameo as General Thade’s father!
Michael Clarke Duncan had a leg injury. They took him to a hospital and the staff thought he was a real gorilla until he said "ouch." It shocked the staff until it was explained he was a human in an ape suit.
That's a great story, and I want it to be true, but it sounds kinda implausible to me. Really? A professional hospital staff mistook a man (albeit in stunning makeup and costume) for being an actual gorilla? Real gorillas aren't shaped like bipedal men, especially men of Duncan's stature. And how often do hospitals have an actual gorilla brought in for treatment, and the doctors say, "Well, let's save this monkey" -- wouldn't an ape be taken to a veterinarian? And wouldn't there have been members of the film crew present? I doubt they dropped him off and told the staff that he was a gorilla, and certainly Duncan wasn't behaving as an ape in the hospital up until saying "ouch." Please link a citation, because I wanna believe this anecdote is true! (And if it is, those hospital folks were pretty dumb -- I mean, the makeup was sensational, but come on.)
My Dad and I still remember the awkward kiss at the end of the film when we saw this film in theaters back in the day lol. The reaction of one guy going "Ewwwwwwwwwwwww" still sticks with me to this day.
The only reason I never saw this one in theaters was because it was the one year anniversary of my second child's birth. I consistently thank said child for him saving me from paying to see this in theaters.
Fun Fact: Tim Roth wasn't happy about sharing a scene with Charlton Heston, due to his firm stance on gun control. While he managed to keep politics out of the workplace, he remarked that he wouldn't have done the film if he'd known that he'd have a scene with Heston. It's even more awkward when considering that a gun is the main subject of conversation between their characters in that scene.
Supposedly this movie kept him from playing Snape in Harry Potter, which he might have been "Oh boy, I'm sure glad I missed that to work with Charlton Heston." for a while I bet in retrospect he really feels like he...dodged a bullet.
This movie is literally so over hated. I appreciate how it’s more accurate like the French novel. Still would’ve loved so see a sequel to this movie after that CRAZY ending. Yes this film does has its flaws but I find enjoyment within the movie.
I liked a lot of ideas and visuals from the film, but it ended up being a muddled mess that really wasn't sure about what it was trying to say. There's something about the original and the way the apes act just like humans that always makes it work really well, in a way that the apes overacting in this just didn't.
I remember seeing this years ago with my older cousin, and as a longtime fan of the caesar trilogy, this film wouldn't have been anything less of both breathtaking and boring at the same time. Thank you for your dedication to the franchise. It never goes unappreciated.
This was the first movie in this franchise I ever saw. So when I heard the "dirty ape" line in Hannah Montana(long story), I actually thought they were referencing 0:07.
Tim Roth is the only reason why I watch this movie, but there's no doubt that this movie failed due to writing and directing. So much potential that was just ruined.
21:56 - This release and Gus Van Sant's 1998 remake of Psycho were the films most responsible for kicking off the last quarter century of anti-remake sentiment🤦♂️
Omg, please please please bring Tim Roth back in a kingdom sequel. That would be ultimate. He can be a different character, but a mocap version would be EPIC
Just finished watching this for the first time in a decade or so, and I really do think that Thade is the most gripping villain in the entire series! As a kid he absolutely FRIGHTENED the crap out of me! When he unalives those 2 apes when looking at the spaceship crash it made him super scary to me as a kid. Tonight, I could still feel that fear from his performance!
I think this movie was a victim of the rushed production/set release date. If there had been more time it could have been at least better because many of the people involved seemed to have put as much heart as they could into it... perhaps they did so because the original inspired many filmmakers careers. Great video even though I heavily disagree with Danny Elfman phoning it it, he did an amazing job with the score and I absolutely loved the drums during the main theme.
I remember seeing this in theaters for my tenth birthday, my stepdad took me because he loved the original movies and introduced me to the first one, and at the time i loved it, it was just perfect for me. Over the years i definitely see the flaws
Sorry to keep commenting, but I also "met" Michael Clarke Duncan when I was on a flight many many years ago. We were both in first class, and I briefly chatted with him as we were waiting for the bathroom. RIP.
The ending does make sense (The wormhole is expanding through time, and going through it from the apes side sends you back in time further than when you entered on the human side the more time passes) It's just that the bit where the apes discover space travel way later, go through the wormhole and presumably wipe out early humans on Earth to replace them was unseen.
As a life-long PotA fan (born in 1965, I grew up with it -- I had the action figures, watched the TV versions, etc.), I was disappointed by Tim Burton's version of the story -- it didn't work for me, and I'd expected better, as I usually love Burton's work. But man, was that makeup awesome or what?! Kudos to Rick Baker, a man who was born to do this movie's best makeup, ever. (No disrespect meant to the great John Chambers!) But I did like the way that the ending kinda referenced the ending of the original novel... although the Thade Lincoln thing didn't make much sense.
Charlton Heston popping up as an elder statesman in the Ape hierarchy was a total shocker when I saw this film in theaters. But apart from that, and a few other highlights, you pretty much nailed how off the mark this film is. It’s a shame too because all of the elements were there.
Danny Elfman didn't work on Spiderman 3 because he had a short falling out with Sam raimi same reason he didn't do Ed Wood. They do use his main Spiderman theme though.
Very enjoyable review of 2001 Planet of the apes. Very fair . I saw this movie 4 times at my local. cinema..Chunk Heston was fantastic in swall part still get goosebumps when he's says his line . Tim Roth was brilliant my favourite villain in the Apes movies .he reminds me of koba a lot . It was shame that no follow up was made because the ending was so different to main story .
I love this movie, too. I love the whole POTA movie series. The original is still my favourite as it sparked my childhood brain into a world of imagination. POTA and Star Trek were my escape from reality and still are to this day.
Although my great love is for the original series of films and the '74 TV series (and the cartoon series to a lesser degree), I nonetheless really appreciated Tim Burton's take on POTA, and find it extremely well written and fun. The most recent series of films I have so far pretty much hated, although I still have hopes they will do a remake of the original film that might work if done properly.
Leo doesn't really compare to Charlton Heston's Taylor because he has no internal conflict within himself to prove. In the original Planet of The Apes, Taylor exclaims that he was a proud loner, that he volunteered to go into space because there was nobody on Earth he was emotionally attached to; he was misanthropic about the human race of the 20th Century, and said, "I just have to believe there's something out there better than Man." But, when he encounters the apes he takes those misanthropic sentiments back, and spends the rest of the film trying to redeem mankind as a whole.
Whoa! I actually have a very similar memory. I saw the dvd artwork at my local Blockbuster and it was extremely intriguing to me for some reason. My mom told me it was very popular (although I don’t know if she meant the original) so I rented it and... It didn’t leave a lasting impact on the 10 year old me. It wasn’t until years later that Rise reignited my interest on the franchise. Greetings from Mexico!
Well made movie but couple of things were lacking. . Tim Roth never disappoints. . The motivations for his character were portrayed so well. . Felt like an opera sometimes
I do appreciate the ending, but only out of the context of the rest of the movie. You're absolutely right that the twist doesn't make sense with the reasoning they gave for the apes' rise. I much prefer the more existential thought of "this is the inevitable path of evolution" that the main character has to struggle with. That's the only way I see the "returning to Earth but so much time has passed the apes have already risen" ending working. But I appreciate what it was going for
Your reviews are very good and very thorough. I did not like this movie because of the storyline. I did not like some of the casting either but the script did not give some of the actors any opportunity to grow. I hated Mark Walberg in this. But still really enjoyed your take on the movie.
"Undercooked." That literally sums this film up. I *absolutely* love how the director used 97% practical and make-up effects. This show would be SHITE otherwise.
I’m looking forward to you covering the live action television series. They aren’t without their fair share of problems, but there’s some excellent performances/concepts in there.
The problem with this film is that it seems more interested in the apes than the humans. None of the humans are especially well fleshed out. Leo, arguably, is more of a plot device than a character. The apes are given more character development.
@@amorojaz27I just hate how generic and shallow the film is in comparison to the originals. I’m just glad Tim Burton was denied the possibility of a sequel.
@@amorojaz27 Good because he clearly has no talent for Sci-fi films. He should probably stick to Emo Kids films instead of exploring his Beastiality Fetish for the public to see.
I think if they would’ve shown a statue of Ari are shown a statue of himself It would’ve made more sense. Show that he just went forward in time or something. The humans and Apes would have to work together. I don’t know. The ending really doesn’t make sense at all.
Concur with nearly every point of this review. Although it eschews the usual goth look of many Tim Burton movies, it still relies on production design over textured storytelling. The opening credits sequence is sharp, and I teared up simply by seeing the title on the big screen. The Heston cameo was a tidy treat. I have read that many of the people involved signed on because they had such affection for the franchise. Rick Baker postponed his vacation after The Grinch so he could sign on for a PotA film. The test designs that Stan Winston's studio created in their bid are also stellar. In the DVD extras it is evident that Michael Clarke Duncan had great affection for the original series. I read that the role of Thade was offered to Gary Oldman, who passed because he didn't want to commit to a franchise ( hi, Harry Potter and Dark Knight!). I read also that the makeup team faced a challenge in designing the prosthetics for Tim Roth because of his nose. I appreciate this movie for what it tried to be.
Actually Gary Oldman admitted that he wanted to do it being a fan of Apes and even got lifecasted and his makeup designed but left because of Mark Wahlberg was getting paid more than him. When he left and heard Tim Roth was cast, he wrote a letter to Rick saying "I’m sorry for Tim’s nose." since the whole thing with Rick was getting people with flat faces to better match actual apes and Rick said of Tim’s "He’s got a bigger nose than me!" but with his artist Kazu and team pulled it off.
thank you so much for posting this. i've been a huuuuuuuuuuuge fan of this franchise since seeing the first and third as a kid in the early seventies. to say it blew my mind would be the understatement of the century. the ending of course was phenomenal, and i challenge anyone to come up with three better endings than this in the sci fi genre. those movies stayed with me, and indeed ape world has been a big part of my world ever since. loved 'rise' and the other two were good. 'kingdom' was outstanding. so i was most anxious when this remake came out. upon first showing i was disappointingly disappointed. i couldn't see beyond the waaaaay too many awful one liners {i'm having a bad hair day, to name one of them} and the ridiculous jumps that they were able to do. however, after a few years and perhaps a little {lot of} mellowing from this writer, gave it another shot. now it's a masterpiece. lol yes the silly one liners still disappoint me. yes the excessive jumps disappoint me. but once i looked beyond these i thought the story line was good. the special effects are wonderful. the ape make up is superb. ape village/culture is enchanting. thanks again for posting, cheers, love and peace to you and all, xxxxxxx
Apparently Tim Roth hated shooting the scene with Charlton Heston. Roth is apparently a strong proponent of gun control and Heston was president of the NRA. The gun prop apparently didn't help either.
Over the years, I've actually found that this movie is uniquely special, because it's the only one that somewhat ACTUALLY stays more true to the book, including that ending. Also, it does logically work if you actually pay attention to what has happened up to that point.
This was officially the film that turned my admiration of Tim Burton’s esthetic and storytelling. I think Big Fish was the only film he did after this that I had any interest in paying to see.
I really liked Corpse Bride and Frankenweenie, but otherwise yeah...it definitely seems like his best days are long behind him. I hope he's able to bounce back with Beetlejuice 2 this year.
@@amorojaz27 Meh, not compared to musical (and I generally don’t even like Broadway musicals). Johnny and Helena couldn’t carry those songs in a bucket.
The Astronaut was nowhere near as charismatic as Charlton Heston/Humor was poorly written/No major surprises or Shock Ending... Original still a Masterwork
The ending makes sense. Pericles goes through the storm, Leo follows, and the station follows last. The station comes out first and crashes on the planet, then Leo, then finally Pericles. Using that time logic, Leo goes back first, and then at some point Thade or a descendent manages to find a way to follow. Thade gets there first and manages to conquer earth (that’s the real can of worms) and Leo arrives to this mockery
I remember watching it, and the only thing i didn't like was that the himans were... Humans, not animal-like, like in the originals. Other that that, it was a good movie
Agree 100% with everything you said. And speaking from the perspective of someone who saw the very first film in the series on the big screen when it was first released, this bizaree attempt to reboot, or reimagine, or whatever was a total disappointment. Tim Burton is a great visual director but is so, so bad at telling stories that make sense. This film was such an incredible mistake on 20th Century's part. I would've loved to have seen what James Cameron would've done with Arnold in the lead. Oh well.
This one had seemed to nail the coffin shut on PLANET OF APES, BUT much like BAT MAN BEGINS after BAT MAN & ROBIN, someone saw the potential & tried again with RISE OF APES proving that with the right plot lines & casting choices, a new story could be told & work so well. I also felt it worked well for the 3rd TOMB RAIDER film
The recent trilogy features some gorgeous cg work but i feel like the makeup adds an errie-ness and extra wrong-feeling factor; knowing visually that these are smarter apes than what the audience is familiar with is a powerful tool
The make up and character designs and the Thade character are beyond impressive, most likely the best in the entire series. The rest is forgettable sadly
So close to the original novel by Pierre Boulle. 2 PLANETS here as in the novel; not just Earth !!! The ending is great and respects the ending of the novel (Apes made spaceships and came to Earth to conquer it BEFORE Leo arrived, who was trapped in time in the magnetic storm).
If you're talking about what happened between Leo entering the wormhole and Leo coming out on the other side, there are two prequel novels covering that.
There was such a wide range of acting quality. The story was the most true to the novel, and the costumes were the best of any movie... The extremes in acting quality killed the movie, though. Roth was awesome, and Wahlberg sucked. Helena Bonham Carter was great, and Estella Warren was obviously out of her depth. And so on...
While this film is far from the best in the Franchise, it's still not a bad film. Plus, the make-up by Rick Baker was fantastic!!! While the CGI in the new films is great, I wish they still had actors in make-up. A dying art in cinema.
I think the CGI in the new films is phenomenal, but I wouldn't be opposed to seeing them bring back the make-up one day. I can't even imagine what they would be able to do nowadays!
I always think that the end of this movie is basically him traveling back to the past before everything the movies happens yes ik a little confusing still but it makes kinda sense twisting the twist of the original when heston realises hes in the future of earth now in the 2001 version is walhberg realising hes in the past
Thade honestly was awesome.... my nephew saw the movie 2 years ago .... he knew it was all actors and found it funny .... but Thade scared the shit out of him ... Tim Roth was the best part of the movie
I enjoyed this Movie but I understand your viewpoint on it and the originals. but I am not so analyzing. Thade we are one on Him ... Charlton Heston as an Ape. cool!!!!!
Saw in the theatre. Wanted to like it. Disappointment that eventually turned to apathy. What I did like is that it was the first time we ever saw anyone (well, any human) actually leave the planet. That was a new idea. Unfortunately, they escaped into that nonsensical ending. I think Ebert called this a two-hour trailer for its sequel (which we obviously never got).
I loved this movie......you"ve got to look at it as a stand alone movie and not connected to any of the others.....time-line etc...... yes the ending could be better.......the idea of apes playing baseball would off being great......
I liked it. I felt there were some nice call backs to the original as far as the quotes, but I can understand how it had its foot in kind of sort of making its own source material with the whole "1st original ape" religion. I loved the make up and the fact that they actually moved like apes lol even though it was theatrical at times. Idk I think it's a good movie lol I remember watching the trailer and the preview for it and how it felt impactful and it stays with you. There's parts that you just always remember even if you haven't seen it in years.
what annoys me most about this movie is that Ape City, looks like its a movie set, yeah I know, it is actually a movie set, but its screaming out that it is one, if you can understand that, it seems kinda flat and hyper-fake, almost a cheesy deliberate theatrical cliche, as opposed to hyper-real and multi-dimensioned, Thade is badass
Apes cultist here, since the '70's. - My take? - I waited so long for this movie, with my fav. director (at the time), & ummmm,.... - "Meh". I turned against Burton since this one, although I still held out hope for something better & more relevant & reverential to the orig. 5, which didn't materialize until 2011. Rick Baker's make-ups are phenomenal, yes, but what else? Costume design (Oscar nominee) - Nah - ridiculous (except for the apes' armor), - Music? - Elfman is sooo overrated it's not even funny. Cinematography? - yes, great. Heston / Harrison cameos? - oh, come on. Ending? - don't get me started (ya,ya, I know the "time travel" theory & similarity to the orig. novel - but, like the video says; "It doesn't work"). This movie was a HUGE disappointment for me, & yet...........I still watch it every now & then. Why? - ' cause it''s POTA, & I will always watch that franchise, no matter how much I have to force myself to try to like this one. I came, I saw, I scratched / shook my head, I moved on.........
I almost saw this film in the mall theater. Something was wrong with the projector I think and it kept messing up, so I left, got a refund for me and my group and then we all went to Tinseltown and watched it there instead. Within just a few minutes I knew I would have been better off taking my refund and just going home.
You made me feel old, but generally agree with everything you said. It's a decent mindless popcorn flick (certainly better than Battle!), hampered by a terrible ending and no follow-up. A sequel was in development for several years, but 9/11 happened shortly after the release, and Fox got cold feet.
It took a along time for me to watch the entire movie in one sitting as a kid. Id always see bits and parts and didn't watch the entire film until high school. It feels like most of the filmmaking aspects is good especially the makeup effects but what really brings it down is the writing and plot. It has always felt kinda empty to me where everything is lightly touched upon but nothing is fleshed out. And there isnt anything that profound or "deep" like there is in the best Ape films. Also some of the film's logic didn't work like the humans could talk normally and that didn't impact how the apes viewed them. And yeah the ending doesn't work especially when the film establishes that the Ape planet is separate from Earth and so a Thade statue on Earth doesn't make sense.
After watching this movie, to say I hated this movie is an understatement. The end was moronic. Because of this movie, I have not even touched any of the newer movies. But I think I will give the newer movies a try.
This movie used to scare me as a kid mostly because of how real the make up looks
Same 😂😂😂😂 went to see it with my brother and dad. I was no good that night couldn’t sleep i was scared of those damned gorillas they were brutal.
I can believe that.
oh to have been that young then ...
Rick Baker's excellent makeup was the ONLY positive aspect of this steaming pile of Ape 💩...🤬🤬🤬
Rick Baker's masterful makeup is the only positive aspect of this PO(Ape)S...🤮
Interestingly enough, when I met Joe Dante, our chat ended up pivoting towards... This movie. I was wearing an Apes shirt at the time and that is how the conversation pivoted. He said, "As bad as it was, it is the only adaptation that retains the original book's ending." Which is TECHNICALLY true, but Ape Lincoln is a bridge too far for me.
Yeah I feel like the ending would've landed if not for the Lincoln statue. That alone made it too confusing and its logic doesn't make sense. The movie established that the planet Mark Wahlberg is on is separate from Earth, similar to the original book, so having a statue of Thade on Earth is wrong
So what was the book ending then?
@@Spongebrain97 I 100% disagree. When I first saw this movie, I left the theater thinking, "I need answers, I want a sequel...now!"
@@robgronotte1The book ended with the human astronaut finally returning to Earth, and being greeted by gorillas in military uniforms.
And there was another twist ending in the book: The entire manuscript of the book was a 'message in a bottle' discovered in space by a pair of astronauts, who, after reading it, immediately wrote it off as total nonsense because, you see, the astronauts reading the manuscript were chimpanzees, and the whole notion of a talking human was ridiculous to them.
(It was satire.)
@@Spongebrain97it’s not wrong at all, it’s saying that Thade didn’t die and that he somehow re engineered Leo’s first spaceship and landed on earth, it’s far fetched but it makes sense
Fun fact: Roger Ebert actually loved this movie's ending. Never afraid to have an unpopular opinion, that man.
The ending ain’t that bad people cry ohh it don’t make sense as if the originals all made sense but what hurts this ending more I think is just that it never got a sequel to explore modern earth ruled by the apes.
@@jabronisauce6833 the plot holes it raises can't be ignored, even with the explanation that Thade used Leo's pod. How did Thade get out of the Oberon? How did he get the pod out of the lake? How did he get it flying again? More importantly, how did he learn to fly?
@@amorojaz27 man I wrote a whole bit about the originals at the end of the second and start of the third that they had a similar issue but was thinking for a moment and yea you’re right. the plot holes in 2001 are bigger.
He’s simply a general and does not posses the expertise or even any knowledge remotely close and they’re supposed to be terrified of the water nor do they have mechanical machines etc. guess my opinion of the ending has changed.
@@jabronisauce6833 if you liked it fine. It's just that I never did(I hate sad endings). And I agree about the plot hole of Escape. The writers just came up with that plot in a time when people were more willing to overlook logical issues. It's really the kind of retcon I can accept, because without it there would be no movie.
I actually kind of like the ending myself.
I can’t imagine how a full cgi planet of the apes movie would have been in 2001 lol. I’m glad they did the makeup look sometimes I kind of Prefer it over cgi it has a certain charm to it .
Yeah, practical was 100% the right choice for this one. The technology was nowhere near ready at the time for a movie full of realistic CGI apes.
I kind of always prefer it. It's got a real physical presence in space.
@bme to kingdom of the apes i couldnt shake of the feeling these cgi monkeys are all fake when the humans look like they are thereradavon
The make up is great honestly the make up and costumes of the originals weren’t that bad but CGI is the way to go now days but still doesn’t stop stupid writing like the first new one where the cops came at flipping chimps and gorillas with police batons like I’d rather nose dive of the bridge.
@@bradavonreckon they’ll show some space scenes in any of the planned future POA movies, I get they’re trying to be more realistic but I really enjoyed the space scenes and time travelling etc in the POA movies.
Rick Baker had said in a documentary that no two apes look alike.
I believe it. Baker is one of the best!
@@Ape-Nation But what about the John Chambers make-up versions from the past "Apes" films? They may not have been perfect, but they were unforgettable as well.
Out of all the POTA films, this one carries the most fun discourse within the fandom.
Considering where CGI was at the time, I'm glad they didn't try to do CGI apes in 2001 and they went with the costumes. I think it would have looked terrible.
Yeah, practical was the right way to go for this one.
I love that makeup on them but if you hire the right people CGI could have been amazing even back then. Just look at Gollum
"Alright kids, who wants to buy some Aspirin" 💀
Gotta love Giamatti!
Only funny line in the movie. The rest were cringe.
Hahahahaha I LOL’d when he said that, man was about that money lol
Only character I liked 😂
"the CGI looks very early 2000s or late 90s" that makes sense
The only best parts of the film:
1.) The phenomenal makeup work on the apes done beautifully by Rick Baker, *THE* legendary movie makeup artist!
2.) Tim Roth (aka Abomination of the MCU fame) stole the show as murderous General Thade. Also the costume of him is amazing!
3.) Charlton Heston’s cameo as General Thade’s father!
I’d thrown in Michael Clarke Duncan and Terry Notary’s choreography as well.
I thought the soundtrack of the film is great! One of the standouts of the movie.
@@AnakinSkywalker0121 I totally agree with you! The soundtrack is astounding!
Something else as well is Paul Giamatti is hilarious as a shady orangutan 😅
I just love this particular comment and the thread it has generated so far.
I saw this movie once and never had a desire to watch it again.
Always a guilty pleasure of mine loved this and the old ones as a child. I rewatched it recently and honestly it isn’t as bad as some people let on.
I'd much rather watch real apes throwing their turds instead of this POS again. 🤮🤮🤮
Michael Clarke Duncan had a leg injury. They took him to a hospital and the staff thought he was a real gorilla until he said "ouch." It shocked the staff until it was explained he was a human in an ape suit.
That's a great story, and I want it to be true, but it sounds kinda implausible to me. Really? A professional hospital staff mistook a man (albeit in stunning makeup and costume) for being an actual gorilla? Real gorillas aren't shaped like bipedal men, especially men of Duncan's stature. And how often do hospitals have an actual gorilla brought in for treatment, and the doctors say, "Well, let's save this monkey" -- wouldn't an ape be taken to a veterinarian? And wouldn't there have been members of the film crew present? I doubt they dropped him off and told the staff that he was a gorilla, and certainly Duncan wasn't behaving as an ape in the hospital up until saying "ouch." Please link a citation, because I wanna believe this anecdote is true! (And if it is, those hospital folks were pretty dumb -- I mean, the makeup was sensational, but come on.)
@@NateButlerFresnoCA They thought it was an animal brought to the wrong place.
@@NateButlerFresnoCAyou’re overthinking it way too much 💀💀
@@DCMarvelMultiverse No, they didn't. This story isn't true. Have you ever seen a gorilla in person? (like in a zoo)
That’s hilarious and amazing.
My Dad and I still remember the awkward kiss at the end of the film when we saw this film in theaters back in the day lol. The reaction of one guy going "Ewwwwwwwwwwwww" still sticks with me to this day.
The only reason I never saw this one in theaters was because it was the one year anniversary of my second child's birth. I consistently thank said child for him saving me from paying to see this in theaters.
That’s an odd way of saying birthday
@@BluestomivI was thinking the same thing
Fun Fact: Tim Roth wasn't happy about sharing a scene with Charlton Heston, due to his firm stance on gun control. While he managed to keep politics out of the workplace, he remarked that he wouldn't have done the film if he'd known that he'd have a scene with Heston. It's even more awkward when considering that a gun is the main subject of conversation between their characters in that scene.
Damn I didn't know Roth was gay
@@DefinitelyNotArielHelwani what?
@@DefinitelyNotArielHelwani Drink antifreeze
Supposedly this movie kept him from playing Snape in Harry Potter, which he might have been "Oh boy, I'm sure glad I missed that to work with Charlton Heston." for a while I bet in retrospect he really feels like he...dodged a bullet.
@@RABartlettalan rickman was the better casting anyways
Charlton Heston actually got a Razzie for his cameo. I don't get why, I thought he was actually pretty solid in that scene.
Maybe because he played a character that was horrified over the power of the gun... while worshipping it in real life.
@@HC-cb4yp so are you saying the Razzies were biased or that he deserved the nom?
@@amorojaz27 The razzies don't even give awards to real movies anymore, they gave their worst movie award to some nobody pro-trump youtuber.
Yeah, but it was dumb and the entire film sucked anyway, so...👎
This movie is literally so over hated. I appreciate how it’s more accurate like the French novel. Still would’ve loved so see a sequel to this movie after that CRAZY ending. Yes this film does has its flaws but I find enjoyment within the movie.
I do like this film and wished we a got a sequel explaining the twist ending.
I wish they at least made one more sequel to the Burton apes movie just to see them in the modern world that would've been interesting
Legit, it isn’t that bad at all and there have been worse POA movies.
I liked a lot of ideas and visuals from the film, but it ended up being a muddled mess that really wasn't sure about what it was trying to say. There's something about the original and the way the apes act just like humans that always makes it work really well, in a way that the apes overacting in this just didn't.
I remember seeing this years ago with my older cousin, and as a longtime fan of the caesar trilogy, this film wouldn't have been anything less of both breathtaking and boring at the same time. Thank you for your dedication to the franchise. It never goes unappreciated.
Thanks for watching!!
so happy I found this channel! such an underrated set of films
This was the first movie in this franchise I ever saw. So when I heard the "dirty ape" line in Hannah Montana(long story), I actually thought they were referencing 0:07.
Tim Roth is the only reason why I watch this movie, but there's no doubt that this movie failed due to writing and directing. So much potential that was just ruined.
Audience: So, humans in this world are wild animals to be caged, functioning slaves for labor, or domesticated pets?
Burton: Yes.
21:56 - This release and Gus Van Sant's 1998 remake of Psycho were the films most responsible for kicking off the last quarter century of anti-remake sentiment🤦♂️
Thade was a badass antagonist
Omg, please please please bring Tim Roth back in a kingdom sequel. That would be ultimate. He can be a different character, but a mocap version would be EPIC
Would love to see him brought back!!
Just finished watching this for the first time in a decade or so, and I really do think that Thade is the most gripping villain in the entire series! As a kid he absolutely FRIGHTENED the crap out of me! When he unalives those 2 apes when looking at the spaceship crash it made him super scary to me as a kid. Tonight, I could still feel that fear from his performance!
I thought Mark Walburge was perfect in that role. Estella Warren was great . Very feisty and rebellious.
I have a soft spot for this too. Some of the best practical makeup effects since the original series.
Agreed, the make-up is phenomenal
I think this movie was a victim of the rushed production/set release date. If there had been more time it could have been at least better because many of the people involved seemed to have put as much heart as they could into it... perhaps they did so because the original inspired many filmmakers careers. Great video even though I heavily disagree with Danny Elfman phoning it it, he did an amazing job with the score and I absolutely loved the drums during the main theme.
I remember seeing this in theaters for my tenth birthday, my stepdad took me because he loved the original movies and introduced me to the first one, and at the time i loved it, it was just perfect for me. Over the years i definitely see the flaws
Sorry to keep commenting, but I also "met" Michael Clarke Duncan when I was on a flight many many years ago. We were both in first class, and I briefly chatted with him as we were waiting for the bathroom. RIP.
The ending does make sense (The wormhole is expanding through time, and going through it from the apes side sends you back in time further than when you entered on the human side the more time passes) It's just that the bit where the apes discover space travel way later, go through the wormhole and presumably wipe out early humans on Earth to replace them was unseen.
If that is the case, then it would have been nice to have actually seen that in the movie...
And make an exact replica of modern civilization? Still makes no sense.
@@Ape-Nation see what in the film? That the wormhole clearly works the way ssj2matt stated? It's clear if you pay attention to the panel in the ship.
As a life-long PotA fan (born in 1965, I grew up with it -- I had the action figures, watched the TV versions, etc.), I was disappointed by Tim Burton's version of the story -- it didn't work for me, and I'd expected better, as I usually love Burton's work. But man, was that makeup awesome or what?! Kudos to Rick Baker, a man who was born to do this movie's best makeup, ever. (No disrespect meant to the great John Chambers!) But I did like the way that the ending kinda referenced the ending of the original novel... although the Thade Lincoln thing didn't make much sense.
Charlton Heston popping up as an elder statesman in the Ape hierarchy was a total shocker when I saw this film in theaters. But apart from that, and a few other highlights, you pretty much nailed how off the mark this film is. It’s a shame too because all of the elements were there.
I loved this remake. Thank Tim Burton for bringing it back to another generation.
Danny Elfman didn't work on Spiderman 3 because he had a short falling out with Sam raimi same reason he didn't do Ed Wood. They do use his main Spiderman theme though.
Sam and Danny made up though, and Danny composed the music for Raimi's Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness.
Very enjoyable review of 2001 Planet of the apes. Very fair . I saw this movie 4 times at my local. cinema..Chunk Heston was fantastic in swall part still get goosebumps when he's says his line . Tim Roth was brilliant my favourite villain in the Apes movies .he reminds me of koba a lot . It was shame that no follow up was made because the ending was so different to main story .
I love this movie, too. I love the whole POTA movie series. The original is still my favourite as it sparked my childhood brain into a world of imagination. POTA and Star Trek were my escape from reality and still are to this day.
Although my great love is for the original series of films and the '74 TV series (and the cartoon series to a lesser degree), I nonetheless really appreciated Tim Burton's take on POTA, and find it extremely well written and fun. The most recent series of films I have so far pretty much hated, although I still have hopes they will do a remake of the original film that might work if done properly.
Leo doesn't really compare to Charlton Heston's Taylor because he has no internal conflict within himself to prove. In the original Planet of The Apes, Taylor exclaims that he was a proud loner, that he volunteered to go into space because there was nobody on Earth he was emotionally attached to; he was misanthropic about the human race of the 20th Century, and said, "I just have to believe there's something out there better than Man." But, when he encounters the apes he takes those misanthropic sentiments back, and spends the rest of the film trying to redeem mankind as a whole.
Whoa! I actually have a very similar memory. I saw the dvd artwork at my local Blockbuster and it was extremely intriguing to me for some reason. My mom told me it was very popular (although I don’t know if she meant the original) so I rented it and... It didn’t leave a lasting impact on the 10 year old me. It wasn’t until years later that Rise reignited my interest on the franchise.
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I think this film is extremely underrated. I love it!
Well made movie but couple of things were lacking. . Tim Roth never disappoints. . The motivations for his character were portrayed so well. . Felt like an opera sometimes
Recently come across your channel; I love it…great intro and logo too
Thank you!
I do appreciate the ending, but only out of the context of the rest of the movie. You're absolutely right that the twist doesn't make sense with the reasoning they gave for the apes' rise. I much prefer the more existential thought of "this is the inevitable path of evolution" that the main character has to struggle with. That's the only way I see the "returning to Earth but so much time has passed the apes have already risen" ending working. But I appreciate what it was going for
Your reviews are very good and very thorough. I did not like this movie because of the storyline. I did not like some of the casting either but the script did not give some of the actors any opportunity to grow. I hated Mark Walberg in this. But still really enjoyed your take on the movie.
Thanks for watching!
Completely agree! Besides the special effects which were great, it was ok. It could have been better.
i liked this version, very different, but not a failure
"Undercooked." That literally sums this film up. I *absolutely* love how the director used 97% practical and make-up effects. This show would be SHITE otherwise.
I’m looking forward to you covering the live action television series. They aren’t without their fair share of problems, but there’s some excellent performances/concepts in there.
It was a beautiful film that needed a better script.
Agreed
The problem with this film is that it seems more interested in the apes than the humans. None of the humans are especially well fleshed out. Leo, arguably, is more of a plot device than a character. The apes are given more character development.
I just watched this film for the first time and I came very close to removing my eyeballs with a tea spoon 🥄
@@jackwaters9343 I wouldn't go that far. The visuals are solid.
@@amorojaz27I just hate how generic and shallow the film is in comparison to the originals. I’m just glad Tim Burton was denied the possibility of a sequel.
@@jackwaters9343 he didn't want to make a sequel. He never had any plans for explaining the ending of this film.
@@amorojaz27 Good because he clearly has no talent for Sci-fi films. He should probably stick to Emo Kids films instead of exploring his Beastiality Fetish for the public to see.
I think if they would’ve shown a statue of Ari are shown a statue of himself It would’ve made more sense. Show that he just went forward in time or something. The humans and Apes would have to work together. I don’t know. The ending really doesn’t make sense at all.
I'd like to see a future Planet of the Apes where they evolve into humans
You're living it.
At least the ending is more similar to the book but it would've work a lot better if Thade wasn't involved
Concur with nearly every point of this review. Although it eschews the usual goth look of many Tim Burton movies, it still relies on production design over textured storytelling.
The opening credits sequence is sharp, and I teared up simply by seeing the title on the big screen. The Heston cameo was a tidy treat.
I have read that many of the people involved signed on because they had such affection for the franchise. Rick Baker postponed his vacation after The Grinch so he could sign on for a PotA film. The test designs that Stan Winston's studio created in their bid are also stellar. In the DVD extras it is evident that Michael Clarke Duncan had great affection for the original series. I read that the role of Thade was offered to Gary Oldman, who passed because he didn't want to commit to a franchise ( hi, Harry Potter and Dark Knight!). I read also that the makeup team faced a challenge in designing the prosthetics for Tim Roth because of his nose.
I appreciate this movie for what it tried to be.
Actually Gary Oldman admitted that he wanted to do it being a fan of Apes and even got lifecasted and his makeup designed but left because of Mark Wahlberg was getting paid more than him. When he left and heard Tim Roth was cast, he wrote a letter to Rick saying "I’m sorry for Tim’s nose." since the whole thing with Rick was getting people with flat faces to better match actual apes and Rick said of Tim’s "He’s got a bigger nose than me!" but with his artist Kazu and team pulled it off.
@@AndyMFX505 Thanks for setting the story straight. I recall in the making of book a rendering of Oldman in the makeup. That explains so much.
This is the only apes movie I've not watched, and idk if I want to watch or not honestly.
I think you should watch it just so you can see for yourself why it is so (deservedly) reviled.
Give it a shot, you might like it more than I did!
thank you so much for posting this.
i've been a huuuuuuuuuuuge fan of this franchise since seeing the first and third as a kid in the early seventies.
to say it blew my mind would be the understatement of the century.
the ending of course was phenomenal, and i challenge anyone to come up with three better endings than this in the sci fi genre.
those movies stayed with me, and indeed ape world has been a big part of my world ever since.
loved 'rise' and the other two were good. 'kingdom' was outstanding.
so i was most anxious when this remake came out.
upon first showing i was disappointingly disappointed.
i couldn't see beyond the waaaaay too many awful one liners {i'm having a bad hair day, to name one of them} and the ridiculous jumps that they were able to do.
however, after a few years and perhaps a little {lot of} mellowing from this writer, gave it another shot.
now it's a masterpiece.
lol
yes the silly one liners still disappoint me.
yes the excessive jumps disappoint me.
but once i looked beyond these i thought the story line was good.
the special effects are wonderful.
the ape make up is superb.
ape village/culture is enchanting.
thanks again for posting,
cheers,
love and peace to you and all,
xxxxxxx
Can’t wait until you review Dawn 😁 almost 10 years later and it’s still my favorite film.
I have a LOT to say about Dawn. Can't wait to talk about it!
@@Ape-Nation Honestly can’t wait for it
Do you mean in general, or for just POTA? I agree it's incredible.
@@ConshisKreetchurs Both, granted I still haven’t seen the originals fully yet but I’m confident Dawn would still be my favorite.
@@d.52555 I would think so... other than the first (obviously) none of them would be in contention. However 3 & 4 are good:)
Its crazy that U have the exact same nostalgic memory of seeing the movie poster at Blockbusters but never renting the movie
Right?? Idk why that memory of all things has stuck with me all this time.
Apparently Tim Roth hated shooting the scene with Charlton Heston. Roth is apparently a strong proponent of gun control and Heston was president of the NRA. The gun prop apparently didn't help either.
Over the years, I've actually found that this movie is uniquely special, because it's the only one that somewhat ACTUALLY stays more true to the book, including that ending. Also, it does logically work if you actually pay attention to what has happened up to that point.
The makeup in this looks incredible
This was officially the film that turned my admiration of Tim Burton’s esthetic and storytelling.
I think Big Fish was the only film he did after this that I had any interest in paying to see.
Sweeney Todd was pretty good.
I really liked Corpse Bride and Frankenweenie, but otherwise yeah...it definitely seems like his best days are long behind him. I hope he's able to bounce back with Beetlejuice 2 this year.
@@amorojaz27 Meh, not compared to musical (and I generally don’t even like Broadway musicals). Johnny and Helena couldn’t carry those songs in a bucket.
The Astronaut was nowhere near as charismatic as Charlton Heston/Humor was poorly written/No major surprises or Shock Ending... Original still a Masterwork
The ending makes sense. Pericles goes through the storm, Leo follows, and the station follows last. The station comes out first and crashes on the planet, then Leo, then finally Pericles.
Using that time logic, Leo goes back first, and then at some point Thade or a descendent manages to find a way to follow. Thade gets there first and manages to conquer earth (that’s the real can of worms) and Leo arrives to this mockery
I remember watching it, and the only thing i didn't like was that the himans were... Humans, not animal-like, like in the originals. Other that that, it was a good movie
I totally agree with your review. Good, not great. Missed opportunity, very sad.
Thade was bad ass great acting great energy.
The human part of this movie is... silly and stupid. But everything with Tim Roth and Paul Giovanni is wonderful
Agree 100% with everything you said. And speaking from the perspective of someone who saw the very first film in the series on the big screen when it was first released, this bizaree attempt to reboot, or reimagine, or whatever was a total disappointment. Tim Burton is a great visual director but is so, so bad at telling stories that make sense. This film was such an incredible mistake on 20th Century's part. I would've loved to have seen what James Cameron would've done with Arnold in the lead. Oh well.
This one had seemed to nail the coffin shut on PLANET OF APES,
BUT much like BAT MAN BEGINS after BAT MAN & ROBIN, someone saw the potential & tried again with RISE OF APES proving that with the right plot lines & casting choices, a new story could be told & work so well.
I also felt it worked well for the 3rd TOMB RAIDER film
I love to watch this movie not so great movie! The makeup and ape cast are stellar.
Next up, reboot trilogy!
I saw that spoiler alert being about the man a mile away
The recent trilogy features some gorgeous cg work but i feel like the makeup adds an errie-ness and extra wrong-feeling factor; knowing visually that these are smarter apes than what the audience is familiar with is a powerful tool
Setting the movie on an actual other planet that isn't Earth, creates the plot hole of where did the apes get their horses.
The make up and character designs and the Thade character are beyond impressive, most likely the best in the entire series.
The rest is forgettable sadly
So close to the original novel by Pierre Boulle. 2 PLANETS here as in the novel; not just Earth !!! The ending is great and respects the ending of the novel (Apes made spaceships and came to Earth to conquer it BEFORE Leo arrived, who was trapped in time in the magnetic storm).
I would have loved of they went more into the history that was a big part that was missing to me.
If you're talking about what happened between Leo entering the wormhole and Leo coming out on the other side, there are two prequel novels covering that.
There was such a wide range of acting quality.
The story was the most true to the novel, and the costumes were the best of any movie...
The extremes in acting quality killed the movie, though.
Roth was awesome, and Wahlberg sucked.
Helena Bonham Carter was great, and Estella Warren was obviously out of her depth.
And so on...
While this film is far from the best in the Franchise, it's still not a bad film. Plus, the make-up by Rick Baker was fantastic!!! While the CGI in the new films is great, I wish they still had actors in make-up. A dying art in cinema.
I think the CGI in the new films is phenomenal, but I wouldn't be opposed to seeing them bring back the make-up one day. I can't even imagine what they would be able to do nowadays!
I enjoyed it when it came out, but I do see why most people didn't like it. 😅
I always think that the end of this movie is basically him traveling back to the past before everything the movies happens yes ik a little confusing still but it makes kinda sense twisting the twist of the original when heston realises hes in the future of earth now in the 2001 version is walhberg realising hes in the past
Thade honestly was awesome.... my nephew saw the movie 2 years ago .... he knew it was all actors and found it funny .... but Thade scared the shit out of him ... Tim Roth was the best part of the movie
I enjoyed this Movie but I understand your viewpoint on it and the originals.
but I am not so analyzing. Thade we are one on Him ... Charlton Heston as an Ape.
cool!!!!!
Saw in the theatre. Wanted to like it. Disappointment that eventually turned to apathy.
What I did like is that it was the first time we ever saw anyone (well, any human) actually leave the planet. That was a new idea. Unfortunately, they escaped into that nonsensical ending.
I think Ebert called this a two-hour trailer for its sequel (which we obviously never got).
Damn I had no idea Beatrice lestrange was the Michael Jackson looking ape😂
I was a kid when this came out and the movie freaked me out
I loved this movie......you"ve got to look at it as a stand alone movie and not connected to any of the others.....time-line etc......
yes the ending could be better.......the idea of apes playing baseball would off being great......
I liked it. I felt there were some nice call backs to the original as far as the quotes, but I can understand how it had its foot in kind of sort of making its own source material with the whole "1st original ape" religion. I loved the make up and the fact that they actually moved like apes lol even though it was theatrical at times. Idk I think it's a good movie lol I remember watching the trailer and the preview for it and how it felt impactful and it stays with you. There's parts that you just always remember even if you haven't seen it in years.
what annoys me most about this movie is that Ape City, looks like its a movie set, yeah I know, it is actually a movie set, but its screaming out that it is one, if you can understand that, it seems kinda flat and hyper-fake, almost a cheesy deliberate theatrical cliche, as opposed to hyper-real and multi-dimensioned, Thade is badass
Love Thade!
I've always maintained that if the entire movie had that contemporary setting we saw in the ending, it would've been a much better movie.
Apes cultist here, since the '70's. - My take? - I waited so long for this movie, with my fav. director (at the time), & ummmm,.... - "Meh". I turned against Burton since this one, although I still held out hope for something better & more relevant & reverential to the orig. 5, which didn't materialize until 2011. Rick Baker's make-ups are phenomenal, yes, but what else? Costume design (Oscar nominee) - Nah - ridiculous (except for the apes' armor), - Music? - Elfman is sooo overrated it's not even funny. Cinematography? - yes, great. Heston / Harrison cameos? - oh, come on. Ending? - don't get me started (ya,ya, I know the "time travel" theory & similarity to the orig. novel - but, like the video says; "It doesn't work"). This movie was a HUGE disappointment for me, & yet...........I still watch it every now & then. Why? - ' cause it''s POTA, & I will always watch that franchise, no matter how much I have to force myself to try to like this one. I came, I saw, I scratched / shook my head, I moved on.........
I’d love to see a TBurton take on the wizard of Oz
Didn't he do a prequel with Franco?
Keep him away.
@@A_RUclips_Commenterthat was Sam Raimi
Wizard of Oz is one of my all-time favorite movies, and I'm not opposed to a remake...but idk if Burton is the right guy for the job.
@@Eric_1991 Yes,yes. I am older and it gets murky. Thank you.
'Overhated'. I had never heard that term before, but I like it.
I almost saw this film in the mall theater. Something was wrong with the projector I think and it kept messing up, so I left, got a refund for me and my group and then we all went to Tinseltown and watched it there instead. Within just a few minutes I knew I would have been better off taking my refund and just going home.
You made me feel old, but generally agree with everything you said. It's a decent mindless popcorn flick (certainly better than Battle!), hampered by a terrible ending and no follow-up. A sequel was in development for several years, but 9/11 happened shortly after the release, and Fox got cold feet.
I would have been interested in a sequel, but I think it's probably for the best that it never happened.
It took a along time for me to watch the entire movie in one sitting as a kid. Id always see bits and parts and didn't watch the entire film until high school. It feels like most of the filmmaking aspects is good especially the makeup effects but what really brings it down is the writing and plot.
It has always felt kinda empty to me where everything is lightly touched upon but nothing is fleshed out. And there isnt anything that profound or "deep" like there is in the best Ape films.
Also some of the film's logic didn't work like the humans could talk normally and that didn't impact how the apes viewed them. And yeah the ending doesn't work especially when the film establishes that the Ape planet is separate from Earth and so a Thade statue on Earth doesn't make sense.
After watching this movie, to say I hated this movie is an understatement. The end was moronic. Because of this movie, I have not even touched any of the newer movies. But I think I will give the newer movies a try.
Had some much potential but has so much problems
honestly i loved the character of general thade and i also felt a soft spot for ari but other than that the movie felt boring and not very well done😭