I have to say, the opening scene established Noa perfectly. He loves his friends, he wants to prove himself, and he values tradition, but he's capable of thinking outside the box. We get all these things within three minutes of his introduction.
I was happy to see the proper send off for Caesar. It would have been nice to see what became of Cornelius and Maurice. I am excited to see where the future goes with Noa.
I loved that Mae and Noah didnt end the movie being best friends. There’s timid respect between the two, but the movie didn’t force a relationship (nor would it have made sense for them to.) The last 10-15 minutes did so much character-building for Mae that I didn’t expect and it just makes me want a sequel immediately
Great film. I'm relieved it's opened up to something special. Can't wait for the next two films. I can't believe Rocka is gone. He's gotta show up in the next one. I don't think he died. He just got pulled down stream somewhere and found his way to shore somehow. Hopefully.
I agree, even though a human and ape can get along with each other they ultimately want two completely different things for the world and that would make them natural enemies. I love the shot of her grabbing the pistol from behind her back as she’s talking to Noa.
One of my favorite lines was “careful son, we are his now” what a scary thing for a mother to have to say and you can see Noah is realizing the seriousness of their situation
I really hope Raka returns and reunites with Noa. I really want him to also meet Soona, Anaya, and the rest of Noa’s clan. There’s a good opportunity for him to be their spiritual leader who preaches the teachings of Caesar.
Idk. This is a hero’s journey. And the mentor dies in the hero’s journey. Picture Obi Wan in ANH. But apparently there’s orangutan noises that can be heard over the credits so idk.
@@king_supreme1102fair enough but he's still in a big divide point. His father was his main knowledge and while he learned and saw from Raka, I don't think he learned all he could from Raka, especially if it's true he was the last survivor sharing Caesar's story.
@@Spaxer agree. Which makes me think that maybe he comes back. And becomes the first of the orangutans from the original, the ones that are all about the sacred scrolls. Maybe Raka could start the scrolls by recording Caesar’s history.
When you train a young prodigy, teach them all you know, and watch them become the protagonist and hit all the heroes journey marks, only to realize your the mentor and your death is next💀
When Anaya said “Elder Luna is…elder” and Noa blew a raspberry before playfully pushing each other, I was hooked on the friendship immediately. Can’t wait to see more of the trio.
One thing I appreciated was the depiction of Mae’s morality and how it’s not just black and white. Like yes she’s a protagonist of the film and is aligned with the good guys, but then it’s revealed she’s not telling the whole truth and has ulterior motives. And even if they were bad guys, she still took A LOT of ape lives when she blew up the damn. Her character clearly has one set goal and that’s to get that satellite hard drive to the surviving human base, but I feel they’re setting her up for some sort of “redemption arc” in a future movie. Perhaps she comes to know the humans and see how they’re just as bad as Proximus’ apes and decides to team up with Noah for real this time to reveal the truth about humanity’s return, maybe sacrificing herself to SAVE apes this time rather than to KILL them
I seen a poster on X that said the next film is called Redemption Of The Planet Of The Apes. Not official of course and fan made but interesting nonetheless.
I think the Caesar trilogy could have done with a bit more depth in terms of characterisation of the human characters. It was a bit one-dimensional in that you could always immediately label the characters as "good" or "evil". They fixed this in Kingdom with Mae.
What Mae did was right from her point of view. She is trying to save the human race. She has no reason to trust the apes after they killed the people she was travelling with. Also killing Trevathan was the right thing to do as he was about to betray them to Proximus. As for blowing up the dam. She had to stop Proximus getting the weapons in the silo. If he had got hold of them it would have been bad for both humans and apes.
@@wdgnwasI agree with what you said, I think there were only three human characters with depth, Dreyfus, Malcom, and The Colonel. It is nice to have a character with more depth
To me, the biggest missed opportunity was not getting to see Raka and Proximus Caesar interact with each other. I liked the movie, I just with Raka wasn't taken out so early and that we got more of Proximus.
It would’ve been like Obi wan and vader interacting with each other. Imagine if proximus executed Raka in front of Noa on the ship. Would’ve made his death more impactful
I kind of like that they never meet. The two represent the two sides of Caesar's vision, they almost become somewhat mythical. They cannot exist together. That's why we don't see Proximus until Raka leaves the movie.
It didn't hit me too hard because I didn't see it as definitive death. I was expecting him to show back up the whole movie. No idea how to feel after finishing the movie.
One movie podcast I listened to said they didn't realize Raka had died until the end of the film because they didn't know that apes can't swim. I was laughing at them at first but then realized that none of the reboot Apes films specifically say that apes can't swim and I guess it's not common knowledge. I hope he returns too!
I like that Mae was ambiguous. I think that fits how a human would be in her circumstance. As an audience we root for the apes. But we would tear them down in a second if this really happened. I feel like Mae incapsulates that. She does not trust them. She will betray them to fit her goals. She wants them gone. Where Trevathan submits to the circumstances, Mae fights against it. I really love the shot of her face as Proximus is giving his speech to the apes. It just screams “this is unholy/unnatural”. The colonel even said to Caesar that he leads an unholy Kingdom. That’s how humans WOULD view it. She will do what needs to be done for humanity. But at the same time she sees the humanity in Noa by the end. Where you can see it makes her a bit conflicted. I really like their last conversation. “Should we go back to silence?”. Great line. Apes can never go back at this point. And humans will never take this lying down. Perfect encapsulation of their conflict. Also I love the final shot. Where her and Noa are both looking to the sky wondering what’s next. Great note to leave on.
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Roka's last scene at the waterfall has very strong "Fly you fools!" energy, and i wouldnt be at all surprised if the next film begins much like Two Towers, with a flashback and extended version of That Moment When The Wise Old Man Full of Knowledge Fell and We Were Sad.
@@fredvasquez4201 Yes, he will come back in the next two films. I don’t think they built him up, as such a scholar to just off him. Plus, I think that human taught him how to swim. I believe his actions in the future will be a catalyst for setting off Nukes.
@@kobekwas_2419 need him back for sure. Hopefully he stumbled upon a human base and he has been teaching them a slight bit. He needs to return, he's way too good of a character.
One of my favourite parts of this film is how it comments on multiculturalism through Noah VS a uniform monoculture under Proximus. In Noahs heroes journey he learns about the different Ape and human ways of life that differ from his own, and he embraces them. He dosent suddenly believe in Caesar more than his eagle clan culture, but he listens to Caesar’s teachings and applies them to his own quest of freeing his people. This is the opposite of Proximus whos only uses Caesar to enforce his singular mission for the apes. His goal is to have apes in the same role that humans were in before they fell. So hes capturing as many apes as he can and uniting them under 1 banner so he can make a human style city with the vaults human technology. He doesn’t consider any Ape culture other than his own, including the eagle tribe who he subjugates so he can break into the Vault, and it’s pointed out that he has no use for the eagles. It’s this ignorance of the different ape cultures that are his undoing as Noah uses his unique eagle taming culture to defeat Proximus.
@@unc1221buddy, he didn’t just “fall into water” , he received several lacerations and fell from a cliff into water. If we assume that the fall somehow didn’t kill him, he’s going to have several broken bones on top of the aforementioned lacerations, making it quite improbable for him to swim and avoid drowning. I might eat my words when the next movie comes out, but I’m pretty sure he’s dead.
Noa is an awesome new protagonist he’s so different like he’s not that physically imposing like Caesar he’s more clever and takes his time to plan things out, also I loved how he stays true to himself and embraces his culture in the end in the face of proximus, and he even stayed true to his species when he disagrees with Mae about the apes’ belonging even though she helped him
I am kinda conflicted on the usage of Proximus. I love everything they did with him, and I think he’s a great character. But I do feel he needed to be in it more to have more of an impact. At the same time though. His impact is felt much more than just when he’s on screen. Noa’s clan if attacked in his name. Everything that really happens is because of him. His presence looms long before you ever meet him. Which part of me says makes up for lack of screen time. But another part says that that we still needed to spend more time with him in order for us to get the most out of him. There’s an A+ villain in there somewhere, just feels like they get the most out of him.
This movie was everything I wanted it to be and more. Set up what looks to be a great trilogy and gave me one of the best theater experiences I’ve ever had. WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!!
I cant see an Ape movie ever topping Dawn... but I had a blast with Kingdom. The very beginning with Cesar being put to rest, I was so excited thinking to myself, I cant believe im watching this. Was just thrilled to be back in that world.
Given the monumental task of bringing this 50+ year old franchise off the shelf again after its 7 year hiatus following the completion of a near perfect trilogy it’s safe to say Wes Ball succeeded. The movie did more right than wrong. It had captivating characters, amazing world building, and left the door open for much more story to tell. If Wes Ball isn’t coming back, my dream director for the next movie(s) would be Guillermo del toro. Pretty sure he was on lists for potential directors for Dawn and with his love of sci fi, experience with CGI use, and overall great movies under his belt he would be a perfect fit!
I absolutely loved Wes Ball’s direction in this film and can’t wait to see how he does with the visuals in Legends of Zelda after how stunning this film was.
The only real flaw with this movie is that it basically just exists to set up the trilogy to follow. And yet it's so well executed that it doesn't even matter.
Another great one, man! Awesome job, Josh. As a real life Bird Nerd and someone who plans to become a Falconer and has flown birds of prey, I found the eagles very satisfying. Obviously, that makes me bias and a lifetime of experience tells me that the eagles were explored in this movie about as much as they really could without loosing the audience. Lastly, as great as the CGI was, A LOT of the eagle movements were the most obviously fake in terms of "what looks real" AND I'm ok with that. I know my passions are extremely niche. I'm glad that you wanted it explored more! Apes together strong!
Absolutely loved this movie, it definitely didn't dissapoint. My favorite character is Proximus by far. I do feel there were some missed opportunities with him that I wish they would have explored more, especially with his interest in Roman history.
I feel like William H. Macy’s character mirrored Winter from War. May be far fetched but think about it: they both turned on their own kind in order to survive…..and they both get choked out for it lol
He is not a bonobo. I know everyone thinks that. But his head and legs are totally chimp. Bonobos have a more round head and their legs are longer than their arms.
Yeah, similarly the more I sat on my thoughts on this movie, the more the flaws I had faded away. This was an incredible follow up to the Caesar trilogy. Easily my favorite aspect of this movie was the world building. It was so well realized and created. The characters were great, I love all the characters. Also, I adored how much this movie felt natural in regards to honoring the original 68 film. I cried a few times watching this movie. I actually like this movie more than Rise if I’m being honest. Great in depth spoiler review Josh, can’t wait for more with this franchise.
I really love this movie and the way it ended. Part of me believes Raka is still alive 100%, but 45% of me believes Proximus Caesar is alive. I would love to see Noa’s villian era alongside a Proximus Caesar origin story (I’m refuse to accept his ending 😂), but they could do the story like The Godfather Part II. I feel like that story would be amazing, getting Proximus backstory as Noa is entering his villian era (which I believe would be temporary, but Noa has to have this era for this reboot to set it’s own identity). But that’s just me 😎
My only real complaint is that they built up Proximus a bit too much and he featured too little in the end. His goal to expand his Kingdom came to an end a bit too early to feel like it really begun.
I loved that dynamic. I think it’s so important to have a human character that’s neither good nor bad but solely trying to bring humanity back from where they are whether that be working with apes when necessary and working against them when necessary.
Finally got to see this movie. I absolutely loved it. I don't think Proximus is dead. My philosophy with movies is if I don't see a body then they aren't dead. I think he'll come back. I'm hoping Raka comes back as well as I really liked him.
Loved the film. As a big PotA fanatic myself, I agree with everything. I really expected a line from Noa calling out Proximus, "you are not Ceasar." I could see the apes evolving very rapidly by the 7th film. The apes jumped tens of thousands of years, developing necessary vocal chords and higher brain function in a matter of years. So it's not a stretch that we will see them jump to the space age by the end of the 6th.
We need a group chat ! I can talk about this movie all day. I'm going to see it again this weekend. My favorite part by far is that look of worry in May's eyes when she sees Noa fix the the taser. She sees how much they have advanced while humans lost their intelligence. So subtle & fascinating
I saw it last night and felt it was lacking something. Definitely had that “don’t worry the next movie is gonna be amazing” vibe going on. Worth a rewatch though for sure.
I really enjoyed the film as a whole, to start off the movie looked absolutely beautiful the cgi was top tier, at times I forgot that these were cgi characters. Noah is great protagonist not as good as Caesar but I know his character development will grow. Proximus Caesar played by Kevin Durand is just great he’s the sole reason why I went to see this I wish there was more of the character. I can’t wait to what this new trilogy will be since I became a recent fan of the series.
Proximus Caesar deserved so much more ! I went again last night and I enjoyed it a lot more my second watch. The movie is just beautiful visually. I guess I expected it to be so EPIC bc 300 years passed and it was so much you could do. I still feel like some potential was wasted but this is only the first movie. I am still excited for the next !!
I enjoyed this one the least, but that’s only because the Caesar trilogy is so good. I still enjoyed this one quite a bit. Still do after a second watch. 7/10 I really like seeing another ape society prospering on it’s own but further along in their development towards civilization, with everyone speaking in mostly complete sentences and having unique customs based on their falconry. I’m surprised in your spoiler free review you only named Proximus as someone who could’ve used more screentime. I was shocked that we lost Raka as early as we did, or even at all! But I have a thought on that later. (I found out about the after credits thing but it was only described as ape noises, so I didn’t stick around. Definitely interesting if it’s orangutan noises, would not object to Raka’s return.) Speaking of, Proximus is pretty great, Durand does an excellent job in the role, and I definitely could’ve used more of him. The way you talked about his end in the spoiler free made me think maybe he was gonna win, and/or kill Noa. Especially when the vault was opened and he showed interest in the guns, since apes do have them in the original. Mae is interesting to me in that she’s not as hardcore anti-ape as Carver or McCullough, but definitely not pro-ape. I guess she’s a lot more like Dreyfus, wanting to secure humanity’s survival and willing to eliminate anyone who gets in the way of that, even if it’s only potentially. Conisdering the ending, I wonder if Raka’s absence as the last of the order of caesar will have an impact on the way apes see humans. The eagle clan already saw them as pests to be scared off, but Noa comes to believe in distrusting smarter ones thanks to Mae’s self serving actions and desire to give the world back to humans. That’s basically a Zaius mindset, but Noa at least is just unsure of the idea coexistance rather than completely against it. In addition to that, Raka didn’t say the third Caesar law _Knowledge is power._ And not only that, I don’t remember that law even being unobstructed enough to fully see in Dawn. Maybe the novelization confirmed it. Either way, even with Raka, who wants the truth of Caesar’s teachings known, the importance of knowledge isn’t fully carrying over. And there’s plenty of knowledge suppression in the original. Also about the ending, seeing Mae had her hand on the gun behind her back made me the most tense I was during the movie! I was so relieved when she didn’t shoot him. Also also! It seems like this timeline could be veering a bit into the territory of the show. The astronauts’ main goal in that was to find a computer to read a data disk that could help them find a way back to their time. Plus something from a short story in Tales from the Forbidden Zone. Or, these uninfected humans could be the start of this timeline’s version of the alpha omega mutants I don’t wanna make this longer so I’ll do the rest short 😅. Liked Noa & friends, coulda used more for Proximus hench-apes and Koro, some things could’ve been executed better like what you said for Sylva, the eagles, and Noa vs Proximus.
I loved the movie and agree with a couple of points you’ve made. Had they spent more time with developing the relationship between Noah and his father we would’ve better understood more about the eagles. As a result they would’ve meant more to us in the end. I was able to develop in my mind what the eagles were to Noah’s tribe(they were a means of food capture, communication and obviously as we saw in the end, protection). Ball did a great job and yes the CGI is fantastic but I also enjoyed the aspect of being able to see the actor in each ape. I was able to see and I enjoyed it yet was glad it wasn’t too much. Your coverage of everything associated with this universe has been a big part of my preparation for this movie and I appreciate it so much. You’ve done a great job. Thank you very very much
I agree that Freya has a look that belongs in this world. I know exactly what you mean lol. Idk how to describe it but her face feels like it would’ve belonged in the original.
@@Ape-Nation glad someone else said it because I’ve thought the same thing the whole time. Her face just has kind of a timeless quality that fits in a world that has turned back the clock (at least from the human POV)
I really like Mae and Noa in this movie and hope they return in the next one and I really like how complex their “friendship” ended up being and would love to see it explored further with Noa not being so naive to her
28:38 the funniest part for me was in the beginning when the bird immediately pecked noah in the head. It was so unexpected and immediately brushed aside but it made me laugh
I completely agree with what you said in this review. I went from liking "Kingdom" to REALLY liking it after a 2nd viewing and if the sequels can get to even half the level of "Dawn" and "War", we're in for another excellent trilogy. Planet of the Apes continues to be an awesome franchise and can't wait to see what direction they go in, particularly after that fascinating ending.
Overall the film is good and a worthy addition to the Apes franchise. Because the characters were so captivating, I never felt bored despite feeling it drag a little. Raka is definitely my favorite character and I hope the next film reveals his survival. I do like how Noa and Mae despite being good people are still skeptical of one another and aren't automatically promoting peace between humans and apes like Caesar did but also aren't hostile. Of course the acting and special effects are grand. My only nitpicks are that I wanted Proximus Caesar to live on, if he did indeed die, and be a recurring villain for at least another film. The other being the ending. Im not mad or anything like that but feel kinda meh about intelligent humans still being around and now being able to contact each other. I think because the previous two films already dealt with intelligent human survivors and apes opposing each other, I was hoping that aspect was done so we could truly see this world being ran by the apes with Mae being the exception. I just hope they dont essentially tell the same story as Dawn or War in the next film
I don't think they will at all. The ape/human conflict has been present in every film in the franchise since the original, it's all about the story and execution.
There were some logic errors in the movie like e.g. why weren't the Apes, mainly the ones who have the same ideology as Proximus Caesar, able to find weapons in different places of California. You really want to tell me that in 300 YEARS you were not able to go to an abandoned police station or military base where there must be at least some weapons left behind by humans. I guess that will be explored more in the future Sequels but right now they are logic errors for me. If 20th Century Fox (Disney) really plans to do more than two more Planet of the Apes Movies, then please for the love of God don't give it to Zack Snyder.
I honestly thought Raka would've come back by the end, and have an ideological conversation with Proximus or Trevathan. I hope to see him in the next one, that's a character with a lot of potential.
My only disappointment was the least diversity of Ape species shown in the movie... Like we literally had just a single male Orangutan and 1-2 male Gorilla in the entire movie... Let alone the females... Although I liked how it is the only movie ever to have a reference for a Gibbon
One thing I'm surprised no one is talking about is how they highlighted how intelligent noa is and the final scenes show the clan breeding eagles instead of going out to capture them. I hope we see them again and see a lot of advancements in Noa's tribe.
Love the Movie 🍿 Reminded me of Mel Gibson’s Apocalypto… A small tribe getting enslaved by a larger kingdom then our hero having to rescue his family 👍 I wanted Noah’s dad to quote Jaguar’s Paw’s Dad, “My Son, don’t be afraid” After watching Fallout, I loved seeing the Apes getting technology from a Vault. And seeing human survivors in a Vault.
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I went and saw this last night. I enjoyed it but might try sitting closer to the screen next time because i could barely see the ASL subtitles or the screen itself (Nearsighted plus surgery). Hopefully it'll come to Netflix or something similar for the smaller screen. Still had a good time, though and yes, we needed more Raka screentime.
My only complaint is I wish Proximus and his Kingdom were a looming presence across the (assumed) trilogy. Watching Noa attempt to overthrow the Kingdom and return the Apes to Caesar's original teachings would have been so great. I thought Proximus was a perfect main-villain to carry the entire trilogy Nonetheless, it was a great sequel. Maybe they take the story in a direction that is even better than what I wanted
Love your end comment, maybe it isn't what you wanted or would do, but it could be better than you could imagine... That's how I like to look forward to things, as well! Cheers! 🦧
@@RealBradMiller True, I hope at least one of them returns. Raka certainly could have survived. If Proximus truly is the "next Caesar" then returning from a huge fall is right on track lol
Really enjoyed the writing of this episode. Very 'Rod Serling' like in hope many social life subjects were touched on in this through the characters expressions...Well done👍
This film was breathtaking, emotional, action packed, and everything I hope to see moving forward in the franchise. Nora is an awesome new lead that I hope to see again moving forward, and hopeful that we can Raka again as well cause what happened to him broke my heart 😢.
I loved it. My favorite in the 4 films is still Dawn. Kingdom is number 3 on my list. I do think 300 years is a bit much, I would say 50 to 75 years later after War makes more sense particularly the role of humans at the end of the film. Thank you for the review.
I enjoyed the hell out of this movie. My mom is a fan of the original series and we watched the epic trilogy and so of course going to this was a no brainer. But it really was a refreshing new take while giving respect and love to what came before. I’m excited and really hop me we get more movies in this world.
I AM A HUGE FAN SINCE 2011. I was in high school when Caesar story's begun. And now a new story begins. I FELT THE SAME when I watched Kindom the first time.....I had a weird feeling. But the second time....God....I rewatched a third time already. I TOTALLY ENJOY every character and every part of their World. Caesar's funeral was a huge surprise. I LOVED to see Maurice and Rocket there. NOA and his friends introduction tells everything about them. I felt a blue eyes's POV in noa as he see his father. Thinking he is not good enough....and wanting his approval. But in this case the one who died is the father. Proximus is amazing. I think there is more of his story that could be explore. I hope he is not death. I WOULD LOVE to see him and noa having to make an alliance in the future. Raka was lovable. Love his expresions. Mae is a double face. She used noa to reach her goal. I NEVER expected that. She is stuck in a past she never lost. She never lived in. The only thing I hate and I want an explanation is that they used rocket's model as a NPC. 😢 why? He was an important character in the trilogy. Why used his model again as irrelevant?
I really hope the next movie ending is the reverse of this one where Noa leaves Mae to die but then he comes back and saves her. I think that would be cool
Hi, hope your well? Thanks for yet another excellent video this time on Kingdom of the planet of the apes. I saw it at the cinema here in Scotland on Tuesday evening and the place was packed. I loved it. To me it’s stands proud along side Rise, Dawn and War and hopefully more films including Noa. I loved the opening scene with Caesar’s funeral with Maurice, Rocket etc it made me cry. I also loved the scenes with Noa trying to interact with the eagle and hanging out with his two friends. Raja’s death was so unexpected it knocked the wind out of me. I was hoping he’d be in more movies because he seemed so knowledgeable about our Caesar. Proximus was a great villian i thought he was a little miss understood at times but seemed like he wanted to learn he just let the power go to his head a bit. I thought his followers were much worse. Never the end i didn’t like Mae because she tried to drown all the apes including Noa and when they met for the last time she had the gun behind her back. i thought she was going to shoot Noa. I loved the eagles finally reacting to Noa too. Apologies if i’ve mentioned spoilers . in case anyone hasn’t seen it yet what are you waiting for? Do you think Proximus survived his fall? Where do you think the story will go from here? Finally what are Mae and the other humans up to?. Thanks again. Take care 😘🏴 #ApesTogethetStrong ❤️ #CaesarNeverForgotten ❤️💔😭🤧 #TeamNoa ❤️
I forgot about the casting, so when I saw it, I was wondering if Noah's father was played by Ron Perlman. Also Proximus makes me think of what it would be like if a motivational speaker con man gets power.
I always said Wes Ball was a perfect pick. Maze Runner trilogy was actually impressively accomplished in every technical sense of directorial craft - it's been obvious that James Cameron is Wes Ball's spirit animal - if anyone bothered to notice. I'm not so sure this isn't actually the best of the series. Hard to say because I loved the Matt Reeves entries. But Kingdom is certainly the most sprawling with the most world building. It's sort of not the same genre as the others, because it's a quest adventure. There's nothing I didn't like about it.
I do think raka would come back. He only appears in the 1st movie of a trilogy so far (and not that much imo), while koba was introduced in the 1st movie and is the main antagonist of the 2nd movie. Koba was much more fleshed out and its easier to consider his story complete.
Storywise, this was impressively well-done. But I had a few gripes about this movie. Though overall the world-building was great, I think they missed the mark on introducing this new world properly. I know many who were initially stuck trying to figure out how the hawk-raising apes were connected to Caesar’s apes until the antagonists came along. But thankfully the movie does a great job filling in those gaps on its own. The hawks/eagles culture could’ve been explored a but better. Felt like they introduced us to this ape tribe with a new culture, and they dove deep enough into the culture to make it important to the movie, but not deep enough to understand it. The rest of my gripes have mainly to do with a lowered bar for casting and what they did with humans. Why does Mae, a woman who’s been traveling the ape world jungle, look like she’s got eyelash extensions and pounds of makeup on with a bit of mud smeared on her face? And why did they cast someone who struggled so painfully with an American accent? Either let her use her own accent or pick an American. It was really weird. Zuna/Suna’s voice immediately took me out of the movie from the very beginning. It was so modern and didn’t match the other apes, it felt very un-ape-like (within these movies) whereas the two males in the beginning made grunts and oo’s and retained an animalistic grit to their voices that was paced in a recognizable way. Granted, it got better when we reunite with her character, but a grittier female voice would’ve been a better choice. I like where this movie is going. The “tube that eats light” or whatever they said? That sounds like they’re going to explore a black hole/wormhole concept, and connect it with the first movie (and by proxy, the original movies) given the missing astronauts mentioned in Rise. Overall, this movie was really really good. But not quite at the same level of the Caesar trilogy for me. Dawn was a near perfect movie. That’s a high bar. But I’m hopeful for the rest of the movies in Noa’s trilogy.
I wish Proximus would have been like the dark Vader of this trilogy just showing up in all 3 films that would have been cool I had a few issues with this movie but overall I loved it.
I was thinking he could either come back extremely fucked up and with some new scars, or be like Koba haunting Caesar as a vision though I don't know if they'd want to kinda do the same thing again.
@@afunkymonkeyeah I’m still holding out hope he will come back because I loved Proximus and the way Kevin Durand talked about the character seemed like he liked playing him so hopefully he comes back fingers crossed.
THE ASTRONAUTS ARE HERE BABY!!! I've waited SOOOOO long. I can't see HOW they don't make the 1968 version next movie. and with everyone in the bunker and underground in this movie, I think was a little throwback to beneath the planet of the apes.
Kingdom was really good. As far as the modern Apes movies go, it ranks 3rd. I liked it more than Rise, but less than War and Dawn. Rise has better moments, but Kindom is the better overall movie. I need to see Kingdom again, but I can't wait to buy the 4K.
Kingdom... Kingdom was great. While it wasn't as good as the Caesar Trilogy (at least overall, I did like it over Rise) it's still really well done. I think it was me watching it almost immediately after Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire, but there was a slight bit of whiplash coming in and seeing it. But that didn't hamper my enjoyment of either movie.
I loved this movie. I thought it was absolutely incredible from start to finish. I agree with you, it really needed a second viewing. I also felt the rough pacing in my first viewing, but my second viewing flew by once I knew the structure of the story. In my initial viewing, I didn't like Mae because she comes across as a bit of a sociopath, which was not where I was expecting her character to go. However, in my second viewing, I did notice that she definitely displays moments of empathy, I just missed them. I think her character would benefit most with further development in a sequel, so I hope she comes back. I loved the world building and the setting in this one, and I really want a video game set in this world, even though I know that won't happen. The more I sit on this one, the more I love it. I feel pretty confident in saying it is my second favorite behind War. I do wish Proximus and Silva both had more screentime. I hope Wes Ball gets to do his director's cut one day because I would be interested in a longer cut of the film.
My personal take on the movie is that I enjoyed it. My only gripes are 2 things, 1. Mae switched personality with little prior suspicion. With Koba and Winter you got a sense that something was wrong over time and that just added to the effect it had when you found out what they’d done/would do. I felt that Mae’s sudden confession (that she has a name) came with little introduction earlier in the film (no wondering why she did this or that - until that point she was «just another Echo») as well as her sudden intelligence (knowing so much). I think they could have made her character a slower burn, creating suspense with every time she admitted something new. Also the «twist» at the end, little build-up suspicion to that too 2. I do feel now that the Roman influence on the movie made more sense in the story, but when I watched the movie for the first time, it made me roll my eyes. I did feel at that time that the Roman theme was a very easy and quick way to make a story, which didn’t feel very nuanced to me. It also made a clear «good-guy vs bad-guy» situation which is what i loved about the last trilogy, there wasn’t clear sides to take. But thinking over it in the following weeks I realise I am very excited to see where this series continues. It was a good movie and I enjoyed it! 3. Also I was expecting Noah to stop after coming out the tunnel to look in awe at what he’d never seen before
I loved this movie and it lived to the hype I’m super excited for more of Noa’s EE VO LUTION for the next films and my only gripe with this film is I wished we had more scenes with Proximus because of how good he was, that Vault Opening Scene with him and Noa was so good I just wanted more and I hope both him and Rakka survive cause Rakka was another one of my favorite characters in this film over all I give it an 8/10 it’s very solid and super immersive and definitely deserves the Hype
One direction this could go in, that I at least would find fascinating, is some movies that follow the continued development of the ape civilization through the centuries. Then, one day, 2,000 years in the future, some random human shows up "out of the blue" that turns what the apes, and by that point we viewers, thought they knew and what they'd built, on its head. Like, a 'remake' of the 1968 original but seen from the apes' point of view, so that the Neo-Taylor is akin to an alien invasion.
I really enjoyed this film. I think it's absolutely head and shoulders above the recent Ceasar Trilogy. However I don't trust the humans that Mae is associated with. This film could really springboard onto great stuff with this new era kick off. Amazing stuff!
I have to say, the opening scene established Noa perfectly. He loves his friends, he wants to prove himself, and he values tradition, but he's capable of thinking outside the box. We get all these things within three minutes of his introduction.
That is Good Classic Disney 90s/2000s writing there. No wonder Noa is likable.
Yep! They did everything needed to make you like and care about him immediately.
@KennyVenegas-nt3gq that was the prologue. The movie starts properly with Noa and his friends.
Hell yeah, loved that opening
I was happy to see the proper send off for Caesar. It would have been nice to see what became of Cornelius and Maurice. I am excited to see where the future goes with Noa.
The ceasars funeral part at the beginning was one of the most powerful and sad moments in the franchise.
I know right? That shit hit me
It was! I wasn’t expecting that. I cried lol
Where was Nova during Caesar’s funeral?
@@dylancooper3690 That's what I've been wondering?
@@keegancrichlow8391isn’t this 300 years after war of the planet of the apes?!
I loved that Mae and Noah didnt end the movie being best friends. There’s timid respect between the two, but the movie didn’t force a relationship (nor would it have made sense for them to.) The last 10-15 minutes did so much character-building for Mae that I didn’t expect and it just makes me want a sequel immediately
Agreed!!
I really dislike Mae, and I really don’t want the humans back. 😑
Great film. I'm relieved it's opened up to something special. Can't wait for the next two films. I can't believe Rocka is gone. He's gotta show up in the next one. I don't think he died. He just got pulled down stream somewhere and found his way to shore somehow. Hopefully.
I agree, even though a human and ape can get along with each other they ultimately want two completely different things for the world and that would make them natural enemies. I love the shot of her grabbing the pistol from behind her back as she’s talking to Noa.
One of my favorite lines was “careful son, we are his now” what a scary thing for a mother to have to say and you can see Noah is realizing the seriousness of their situation
It’s kinda implied that she told him about Noah’s plans
I really hope Raka returns and reunites with Noa. I really want him to also meet Soona, Anaya, and the rest of Noa’s clan. There’s a good opportunity for him to be their spiritual leader who preaches the teachings of Caesar.
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Idk. This is a hero’s journey. And the mentor dies in the hero’s journey. Picture Obi Wan in ANH. But apparently there’s orangutan noises that can be heard over the credits so idk.
@@king_supreme1102fair enough but he's still in a big divide point. His father was his main knowledge and while he learned and saw from Raka, I don't think he learned all he could from Raka, especially if it's true he was the last survivor sharing Caesar's story.
@@Spaxer agree. Which makes me think that maybe he comes back. And becomes the first of the orangutans from the original, the ones that are all about the sacred scrolls. Maybe Raka could start the scrolls by recording Caesar’s history.
When you train a young prodigy, teach them all you know, and watch them become the protagonist and hit all the heroes journey marks, only to realize your the mentor and your death is next💀
I like how they made "Nova" a legacy name. "We name them all Nova."
Yep! And Nova from War was the first one.
@@Ape-Nation exactly. Paying homage to the originals and the Cesar trilogy. Which was paying homage to the originals 😂 love the content btw!
It's kind of sad that they forgot why.
When Anaya said “Elder Luna is…elder” and Noa blew a raspberry before playfully pushing each other, I was hooked on the friendship immediately. Can’t wait to see more of the trio.
One thing I appreciated was the depiction of Mae’s morality and how it’s not just black and white. Like yes she’s a protagonist of the film and is aligned with the good guys, but then it’s revealed she’s not telling the whole truth and has ulterior motives. And even if they were bad guys, she still took A LOT of ape lives when she blew up the damn.
Her character clearly has one set goal and that’s to get that satellite hard drive to the surviving human base, but I feel they’re setting her up for some sort of “redemption arc” in a future movie.
Perhaps she comes to know the humans and see how they’re just as bad as Proximus’ apes and decides to team up with Noah for real this time to reveal the truth about humanity’s return, maybe sacrificing herself to SAVE apes this time rather than to KILL them
I seen a poster on X that said the next film is called Redemption Of The Planet Of The Apes. Not official of course and fan made but interesting nonetheless.
I think the Caesar trilogy could have done with a bit more depth in terms of characterisation of the human characters. It was a bit one-dimensional in that you could always immediately label the characters as "good" or "evil". They fixed this in Kingdom with Mae.
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What Mae did was right from her point of view. She is trying to save the human race. She has no reason to trust the apes after they killed the people she was travelling with. Also killing Trevathan was the right thing to do as he was about to betray them to Proximus. As for blowing up the dam. She had to stop Proximus getting the weapons in the silo. If he had got hold of them it would have been bad for both humans and apes.
@@wdgnwasI agree with what you said, I think there were only three human characters with depth, Dreyfus, Malcom, and The Colonel. It is nice to have a character with more depth
To me, the biggest missed opportunity was not getting to see Raka and Proximus Caesar interact with each other. I liked the movie, I just with Raka wasn't taken out so early and that we got more of Proximus.
Same
It would’ve been like Obi wan and vader interacting with each other.
Imagine if proximus executed Raka in front of Noa on the ship. Would’ve made his death more impactful
I kind of like that they never meet. The two represent the two sides of Caesar's vision, they almost become somewhat mythical. They cannot exist together. That's why we don't see Proximus until Raka leaves the movie.
Rakas death hit me like a semi truck I was actually crying when he died he is by far my favourite character and I hope he returns
He can’t return cuz he’s dead. He done died
It didn't hit me too hard because I didn't see it as definitive death. I was expecting him to show back up the whole movie. No idea how to feel after finishing the movie.
@@reignbalboa no body not dead rule in effect here
@@reignbalboadid you not stay till the end?
One movie podcast I listened to said they didn't realize Raka had died until the end of the film because they didn't know that apes can't swim. I was laughing at them at first but then realized that none of the reboot Apes films specifically say that apes can't swim and I guess it's not common knowledge. I hope he returns too!
It was like watching Luke begin his journey after the fall of Anakin.
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It reminded me of that and Frodo Baggins as well.
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I liked the saying of shit came across better.
I like that Mae was ambiguous. I think that fits how a human would be in her circumstance. As an audience we root for the apes. But we would tear them down in a second if this really happened. I feel like Mae incapsulates that. She does not trust them. She will betray them to fit her goals. She wants them gone. Where Trevathan submits to the circumstances, Mae fights against it. I really love the shot of her face as Proximus is giving his speech to the apes. It just screams “this is unholy/unnatural”. The colonel even said to Caesar that he leads an unholy Kingdom. That’s how humans WOULD view it. She will do what needs to be done for humanity. But at the same time she sees the humanity in Noa by the end. Where you can see it makes her a bit conflicted. I really like their last conversation. “Should we go back to silence?”. Great line. Apes can never go back at this point. And humans will never take this lying down. Perfect encapsulation of their conflict. Also I love the final shot. Where her and Noa are both looking to the sky wondering what’s next. Great note to leave on.
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Love that, thank you!!
Roka's last scene at the waterfall has very strong "Fly you fools!" energy, and i wouldnt be at all surprised if the next film begins much like Two Towers, with a flashback and extended version of That Moment When The Wise Old Man Full of Knowledge Fell and We Were Sad.
Both raka and proxies are alive
@unc1221 I think Raka is alive but Proximus?
@@fredvasquez4201 Yes, he will come back in the next two films. I don’t think they built him up, as such a scholar to just off him. Plus, I think that human taught him how to swim. I believe his actions in the future will be a catalyst for setting off Nukes.
As long as Noa becomes a great leader, honors CAESAR, and whoops proxy’s ass! I’m all for it
That’s pretty much it
@@chasehedges6775 yessir, and we need the homie Roka back
@@kobekwas_2419 need him back for sure. Hopefully he stumbled upon a human base and he has been teaching them a slight bit. He needs to return, he's way too good of a character.
I think this film proved Wes Ball is no Michael Bay. And I mean that in the best possible way.
Soooo true.
Loved his direction on The Maze Runner back in 2014
Nobody is Michael Bay lol
@@Ape-Nation make no mistake, I like a lot of his movies. I'm just glad that Mr. Ball doesn't handle movies the same way.
After seeing this film last night, this gives me some level of hope for the Zelda movie he's making
One of my favourite parts of this film is how it comments on multiculturalism through Noah VS a uniform monoculture under Proximus. In Noahs heroes journey he learns about the different Ape and human ways of life that differ from his own, and he embraces them. He dosent suddenly believe in Caesar more than his eagle clan culture, but he listens to Caesar’s teachings and applies them to his own quest of freeing his people. This is the opposite of Proximus whos only uses Caesar to enforce his singular mission for the apes. His goal is to have apes in the same role that humans were in before they fell. So hes capturing as many apes as he can and uniting them under 1 banner so he can make a human style city with the vaults human technology. He doesn’t consider any Ape culture other than his own, including the eagle tribe who he subjugates so he can break into the Vault, and it’s pointed out that he has no use for the eagles. It’s this ignorance of the different ape cultures that are his undoing as Noah uses his unique eagle taming culture to defeat Proximus.
Proximus is still alive
@@unc1221how?
@@ryangonelli5085 He fell in water, I’m sure he could swim.
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In water, chimps will drown
@@unc1221buddy, he didn’t just “fall into water” , he received several lacerations and fell from a cliff into water. If we assume that the fall somehow didn’t kill him, he’s going to have several broken bones on top of the aforementioned lacerations, making it quite improbable for him to swim and avoid drowning.
I might eat my words when the next movie comes out, but I’m pretty sure he’s dead.
Noa is an awesome new protagonist he’s so different like he’s not that physically imposing like Caesar he’s more clever and takes his time to plan things out, also I loved how he stays true to himself and embraces his culture in the end in the face of proximus, and he even stayed true to his species when he disagrees with Mae about the apes’ belonging even though she helped him
WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!!
I am kinda conflicted on the usage of Proximus. I love everything they did with him, and I think he’s a great character. But I do feel he needed to be in it more to have more of an impact. At the same time though. His impact is felt much more than just when he’s on screen. Noa’s clan if attacked in his name. Everything that really happens is because of him. His presence looms long before you ever meet him. Which part of me says makes up for lack of screen time. But another part says that that we still needed to spend more time with him in order for us to get the most out of him. There’s an A+ villain in there somewhere, just feels like they get the most out of him.
My personal ranking after seeing Kingdom:
1. War
2. Original
3. Dawn
4. Kingdom
5. Rise
6. Escape
7. Conquest
8. Remake
9. Beneath
10. Battle
Not a bad list. Can't support putting Beneath below Tim Burton though
@@wdgnwas to me, the remake is more entertaining than Beneath
@@isaacmapes Yeah, all good. Just wanted to express my love for Beneath, which I know most people did not like every much.
Yknow, this movie was like to me a live action ghibli film, beautiful cinematography, great characters, great world building
Wes Ball has stated a few times that Miyazaki influenced him so that makes sense.
This movie was everything I wanted it to be and more. Set up what looks to be a great trilogy and gave me one of the best theater experiences I’ve ever had. WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!!
I cant see an Ape movie ever topping Dawn... but I had a blast with Kingdom. The very beginning with Cesar being put to rest, I was so excited thinking to myself, I cant believe im watching this. Was just thrilled to be back in that world.
Another callback I liked was when Proximus called Noa a "clever ape" similar to when Kolp used that phrase directed at Caesar in BATTLE.
LI really appreciate Noa being an outsider, because it makes exposition feel organic.
I love how you can see the performances so well through the completely cg characters. They were blowing me away with how amazing the acting was
Given the monumental task of bringing this 50+ year old franchise off the shelf again after its 7 year hiatus following the completion of a near perfect trilogy it’s safe to say Wes Ball succeeded.
The movie did more right than wrong. It had captivating characters, amazing world building, and left the door open for much more story to tell.
If Wes Ball isn’t coming back, my dream director for the next movie(s) would be Guillermo del toro.
Pretty sure he was on lists for potential directors for Dawn and with his love of sci fi, experience with CGI use, and overall great movies under his belt he would be a perfect fit!
Not 100% sure if he's the right guy for this franchise, but I'll never be upset about Del Toro directing a movie!
I absolutely loved Wes Ball’s direction in this film and can’t wait to see how he does with the visuals in Legends of Zelda after how stunning this film was.
The only real flaw with this movie is that it basically just exists to set up the trilogy to follow. And yet it's so well executed that it doesn't even matter.
Almost every big budget film is done this way today, for better or worse.
Another great one, man! Awesome job, Josh.
As a real life Bird Nerd and someone who plans to become a Falconer and has flown birds of prey, I found the eagles very satisfying. Obviously, that makes me bias and a lifetime of experience tells me that the eagles were explored in this movie about as much as they really could without loosing the audience. Lastly, as great as the CGI was, A LOT of the eagle movements were the most obviously fake in terms of "what looks real" AND I'm ok with that. I know my passions are extremely niche. I'm glad that you wanted it explored more!
Apes together strong!
Good luck on the path dude! Falconry is a pretty epic passion to pursue
Absolutely loved this movie, it definitely didn't dissapoint. My favorite character is Proximus by far. I do feel there were some missed opportunities with him that I wish they would have explored more, especially with his interest in Roman history.
I feel like William H. Macy’s character mirrored Winter from War. May be far fetched but think about it: they both turned on their own kind in order to survive…..and they both get choked out for it lol
Has anybody noticed how Proximus is abnormally large for a bonobo?
Right and stronger than one as well.
He might’ve learn that humans ate meat to grow and started eating meat.
He is not a bonobo. I know everyone thinks that. But his head and legs are totally chimp. Bonobos have a more round head and their legs are longer than their arms.
@@casandradorantes6614 he is officially labeled a bonobo
Yeah, similarly the more I sat on my thoughts on this movie, the more the flaws I had faded away. This was an incredible follow up to the Caesar trilogy. Easily my favorite aspect of this movie was the world building. It was so well realized and created. The characters were great, I love all the characters. Also, I adored how much this movie felt natural in regards to honoring the original 68 film. I cried a few times watching this movie. I actually like this movie more than Rise if I’m being honest. Great in depth spoiler review Josh, can’t wait for more with this franchise.
I really love this movie and the way it ended. Part of me believes Raka is still alive 100%, but 45% of me believes Proximus Caesar is alive. I would love to see Noa’s villian era alongside a Proximus Caesar origin story (I’m refuse to accept his ending 😂), but they could do the story like The Godfather Part II. I feel like that story would be amazing, getting Proximus backstory as Noa is entering his villian era (which I believe would be temporary, but Noa has to have this era for this reboot to set it’s own identity). But that’s just me 😎
My only real complaint is that they built up Proximus a bit too much and he featured too little in the end. His goal to expand his Kingdom came to an end a bit too early to feel like it really begun.
my only complaint is what happened to the gun in her hand?!?!
Mae understood the assignment. She was for humanity not apes the whole time. Once that fact sets in, the movie became even more dynamic
I loved that dynamic. I think it’s so important to have a human character that’s neither good nor bad but solely trying to bring humanity back from where they are whether that be working with apes when necessary and working against them when necessary.
Finally got to see this movie. I absolutely loved it. I don't think Proximus is dead. My philosophy with movies is if I don't see a body then they aren't dead. I think he'll come back. I'm hoping Raka comes back as well as I really liked him.
Loved the film. As a big PotA fanatic myself, I agree with everything. I really expected a line from Noa calling out Proximus, "you are not Ceasar."
I could see the apes evolving very rapidly by the 7th film. The apes jumped tens of thousands of years, developing necessary vocal chords and higher brain function in a matter of years. So it's not a stretch that we will see them jump to the space age by the end of the 6th.
We need a group chat ! I can talk about this movie all day. I'm going to see it again this weekend. My favorite part by far is that look of worry in May's eyes when she sees Noa fix the the taser. She sees how much they have advanced while humans lost their intelligence. So subtle & fascinating
I saw it last night and felt it was lacking something. Definitely had that “don’t worry the next movie is gonna be amazing” vibe going on. Worth a rewatch though for sure.
I really enjoyed the film as a whole, to start off the movie looked absolutely beautiful the cgi was top tier, at times I forgot that these were cgi characters. Noah is great protagonist not as good as Caesar but I know his character development will grow. Proximus Caesar played by Kevin Durand is just great he’s the sole reason why I went to see this I wish there was more of the character. I can’t wait to what this new trilogy will be since I became a recent fan of the series.
Definitely coming back to watch this after I see the movie next week. I’m excited for that and this😁
Noah is Arthur and Rakka is Merlin.
Bro… 🤯
Proximus Caesar deserved so much more ! I went again last night and I enjoyed it a lot more my second watch. The movie is just beautiful visually. I guess I expected it to be so EPIC bc 300 years passed and it was so much you could do. I still feel like some potential was wasted but this is only the first movie. I am still excited for the next !!
Great film
I enjoyed this one the least, but that’s only because the Caesar trilogy is so good. I still enjoyed this one quite a bit. Still do after a second watch. 7/10
I really like seeing another ape society prospering on it’s own but further along in their development towards civilization, with everyone speaking in mostly complete sentences and having unique customs based on their falconry.
I’m surprised in your spoiler free review you only named Proximus as someone who could’ve used more screentime. I was shocked that we lost Raka as early as we did, or even at all! But I have a thought on that later. (I found out about the after credits thing but it was only described as ape noises, so I didn’t stick around. Definitely interesting if it’s orangutan noises, would not object to Raka’s return.)
Speaking of, Proximus is pretty great, Durand does an excellent job in the role, and I definitely could’ve used more of him. The way you talked about his end in the spoiler free made me think maybe he was gonna win, and/or kill Noa. Especially when the vault was opened and he showed interest in the guns, since apes do have them in the original.
Mae is interesting to me in that she’s not as hardcore anti-ape as Carver or McCullough, but definitely not pro-ape. I guess she’s a lot more like Dreyfus, wanting to secure humanity’s survival and willing to eliminate anyone who gets in the way of that, even if it’s only potentially.
Conisdering the ending, I wonder if Raka’s absence as the last of the order of caesar will have an impact on the way apes see humans. The eagle clan already saw them as pests to be scared off, but Noa comes to believe in distrusting smarter ones thanks to Mae’s self serving actions and desire to give the world back to humans. That’s basically a Zaius mindset, but Noa at least is just unsure of the idea coexistance rather than completely against it.
In addition to that, Raka didn’t say the third Caesar law _Knowledge is power._ And not only that, I don’t remember that law even being unobstructed enough to fully see in Dawn. Maybe the novelization confirmed it. Either way, even with Raka, who wants the truth of Caesar’s teachings known, the importance of knowledge isn’t fully carrying over. And there’s plenty of knowledge suppression in the original.
Also about the ending, seeing Mae had her hand on the gun behind her back made me the most tense I was during the movie! I was so relieved when she didn’t shoot him.
Also also! It seems like this timeline could be veering a bit into the territory of the show. The astronauts’ main goal in that was to find a computer to read a data disk that could help them find a way back to their time. Plus something from a short story in Tales from the Forbidden Zone.
Or, these uninfected humans could be the start of this timeline’s version of the alpha omega mutants
I don’t wanna make this longer so I’ll do the rest short 😅. Liked Noa & friends, coulda used more for Proximus hench-apes and Koro, some things could’ve been executed better like what you said for Sylva, the eagles, and Noa vs Proximus.
This movie could be 4hrs long and I wouldn't be mad
Hopefully at least 2 more movies get made.
@@334honda 5 more films are planned.
I loved the movie and agree with a couple of points you’ve made. Had they spent more time with developing the relationship between Noah and his father we would’ve better understood more about the eagles. As a result they would’ve meant more to us in the end. I was able to develop in my mind what the eagles were to Noah’s tribe(they were a means of food capture, communication and obviously as we saw in the end, protection). Ball did a great job and yes the CGI is fantastic but I also enjoyed the aspect of being able to see the actor in each ape. I was able to see and I enjoyed it yet was glad it wasn’t too much. Your coverage of everything associated with this universe has been a big part of my preparation for this movie and I appreciate it so much. You’ve done a great job. Thank you very very much
APES TOGETHER STRONG!
Just been to see it.
Amazing!
I’m so happy this franchise is being treat with such care. 🎉🎉
I agree that Freya has a look that belongs in this world. I know exactly what you mean lol. Idk how to describe it but her face feels like it would’ve belonged in the original.
Exactly!
@@Ape-Nation glad someone else said it because I’ve thought the same thing the whole time. Her face just has kind of a timeless quality that fits in a world that has turned back the clock (at least from the human POV)
I really like Mae and Noa in this movie and hope they return in the next one and I really like how complex their “friendship” ended up being and would love to see it explored further with Noa not being so naive to her
28:38 the funniest part for me was in the beginning when the bird immediately pecked noah in the head. It was so unexpected and immediately brushed aside but it made me laugh
I completely agree with what you said in this review. I went from liking "Kingdom" to REALLY liking it after a 2nd viewing and if the sequels can get to even half the level of "Dawn" and "War", we're in for another excellent trilogy.
Planet of the Apes continues to be an awesome franchise and can't wait to see what direction they go in, particularly after that fascinating ending.
Great review! Well worth the wait. Curious what YOU (Ape Nation) would put in the sequel to kingdom planet of the apes
Been waiting on this video 🔥🔥
What a wonderful day!
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Overall the film is good and a worthy addition to the Apes franchise. Because the characters were so captivating, I never felt bored despite feeling it drag a little. Raka is definitely my favorite character and I hope the next film reveals his survival.
I do like how Noa and Mae despite being good people are still skeptical of one another and aren't automatically promoting peace between humans and apes like Caesar did but also aren't hostile. Of course the acting and special effects are grand.
My only nitpicks are that I wanted Proximus Caesar to live on, if he did indeed die, and be a recurring villain for at least another film.
The other being the ending. Im not mad or anything like that but feel kinda meh about intelligent humans still being around and now being able to contact each other. I think because the previous two films already dealt with intelligent human survivors and apes opposing each other, I was hoping that aspect was done so we could truly see this world being ran by the apes with Mae being the exception. I just hope they dont essentially tell the same story as Dawn or War in the next film
I don't think they will at all. The ape/human conflict has been present in every film in the franchise since the original, it's all about the story and execution.
@@Ape-Nation if they're not careful, the filmmakers could fall into the same trap as the Star Wars Sequel trilogy. I hope they won't.
There were some logic errors in the movie like e.g. why weren't the Apes, mainly the ones who have the same ideology as Proximus Caesar, able to find weapons in different places of California. You really want to tell me that in 300 YEARS you were not able to go to an abandoned police station or military base where there must be at least some weapons left behind by humans. I guess that will be explored more in the future Sequels but right now they are logic errors for me.
If 20th Century Fox (Disney) really plans to do more than two more Planet of the Apes Movies, then please for the love of God don't give it to Zack Snyder.
Lets go I been waiting on your review since Friday!! 🦍🔥🔥🔥
My favorite apes movie now! I love it. Hope Rocka comes back 🥺
I've just come back from seeing this film and I just adore it. I'm excited for more.
I honestly thought Raka would've come back by the end, and have an ideological conversation with Proximus or Trevathan. I hope to see him in the next one, that's a character with a lot of potential.
My only disappointment was the least diversity of Ape species shown in the movie... Like we literally had just a single male Orangutan and 1-2 male Gorilla in the entire movie... Let alone the females... Although I liked how it is the only movie ever to have a reference for a Gibbon
Not to mention the only other bonobo in. The franchise was seemingly killed off.
One thing I'm surprised no one is talking about is how they highlighted how intelligent noa is and the final scenes show the clan breeding eagles instead of going out to capture them. I hope we see them again and see a lot of advancements in Noa's tribe.
The new Planet of the Apes franchise literally can't miss
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Love the Movie 🍿
Reminded me of Mel Gibson’s Apocalypto…
A small tribe getting enslaved by a larger kingdom then our hero having to rescue his family 👍
I wanted Noah’s dad to quote Jaguar’s Paw’s Dad, “My Son, don’t be afraid”
After watching Fallout, I loved seeing the Apes getting technology from a Vault. And seeing human survivors in a Vault.
I love when I go see a movie that I fall in love with and then I find an awesome deep dive spoiler review on RUclips. Well done sir!
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@@Ape-Nation no, thank you! I’m subbed and looking forward to more!
Wow wtf I thought I had already subscribed the second I found this channel like two months ago. Apparently YT thought otherwise. Love the channel bro keep up the great work! Apes together strong!
I went and saw this last night.
I enjoyed it but might try sitting closer to the screen next time because i could barely see the ASL subtitles or the screen itself (Nearsighted plus surgery).
Hopefully it'll come to Netflix or something similar for the smaller screen.
Still had a good time, though and yes, we needed more Raka screentime.
My only complaint is I wish Proximus and his Kingdom were a looming presence across the (assumed) trilogy. Watching Noa attempt to overthrow the Kingdom and return the Apes to Caesar's original teachings would have been so great. I thought Proximus was a perfect main-villain to carry the entire trilogy
Nonetheless, it was a great sequel. Maybe they take the story in a direction that is even better than what I wanted
We did not witness Proxy dying, same with Raka. I think they will return.
Long live Raka!!!
Love your end comment, maybe it isn't what you wanted or would do, but it could be better than you could imagine... That's how I like to look forward to things, as well! Cheers! 🦧
@@RealBradMiller True, I hope at least one of them returns. Raka certainly could have survived.
If Proximus truly is the "next Caesar" then returning from a huge fall is right on track lol
Really enjoyed the writing of this episode. Very 'Rod Serling' like in hope many social life subjects were touched on in this through the characters expressions...Well done👍
Loved it. Watched with the whole family yesterday!
It setup this new world flawlessly!
8/10 because I know the future ones will be 9/10 and 10/10
This film was breathtaking, emotional, action packed, and everything I hope to see moving forward in the franchise. Nora is an awesome new lead that I hope to see again moving forward, and hopeful that we can Raka again as well cause what happened to him broke my heart 😢.
I loved it. My favorite in the 4 films is still Dawn. Kingdom is number 3 on my list. I do think 300 years is a bit much, I would say 50 to 75 years later after War makes more sense particularly the role of humans at the end of the film. Thank you for the review.
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I enjoyed the hell out of this movie. My mom is a fan of the original series and we watched the epic trilogy and so of course going to this was a no brainer. But it really was a refreshing new take while giving respect and love to what came before. I’m excited and really hop me we get more movies in this world.
I AM A HUGE FAN SINCE 2011. I was in high school when Caesar story's begun. And now a new story begins. I FELT THE SAME when I watched Kindom the first time.....I had a weird feeling.
But the second time....God....I rewatched a third time already. I TOTALLY ENJOY every character and every part of their World.
Caesar's funeral was a huge surprise. I LOVED to see Maurice and Rocket there.
NOA and his friends introduction tells everything about them.
I felt a blue eyes's POV in noa as he see his father. Thinking he is not good enough....and wanting his approval. But in this case the one who died is the father.
Proximus is amazing. I think there is more of his story that could be explore. I hope he is not death. I WOULD LOVE to see him and noa having to make an alliance in the future.
Raka was lovable. Love his expresions.
Mae is a double face. She used noa to reach her goal. I NEVER expected that. She is stuck in a past she never lost. She never lived in.
The only thing I hate and I want an explanation is that they used rocket's model as a NPC. 😢 why? He was an important character in the trilogy. Why used his model again as irrelevant?
i enjoyed when Raka said strong together, implying imo that humans and apes can figure things out
I really hope the next movie ending is the reverse of this one where Noa leaves Mae to die but then he comes back and saves her. I think that would be cool
Well this composer brought back some Jerry Goldsmith cues in this one.
This is the best kingdom of the planet of the apes RUclips video review I’ve seen! Thanks for all your hard work on this!
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Hi, hope your well? Thanks for yet another excellent video this time on Kingdom of the planet of the apes. I saw it at the cinema here in Scotland on Tuesday evening and the place was packed. I loved it. To me it’s stands proud along side Rise, Dawn and War and hopefully more films including Noa. I loved the opening scene with Caesar’s funeral with Maurice, Rocket etc it made me cry. I also loved the scenes with Noa trying to interact with the eagle and hanging out with his two friends. Raja’s death was so unexpected it knocked the wind out of me. I was hoping he’d be in more movies because he seemed so knowledgeable about our Caesar. Proximus was a great villian i thought he was a little miss understood at times but seemed like he wanted to learn he just let the power go to his head a bit. I thought his followers were much worse. Never the end i didn’t like Mae because she tried to drown all the apes including Noa and when they met for the last time she had the gun behind her back. i thought she was going to shoot Noa. I loved the eagles finally reacting to Noa too. Apologies if i’ve mentioned spoilers . in case anyone hasn’t seen it yet what are you waiting for? Do you think Proximus survived his fall? Where do you think the story will go from here? Finally what are Mae and the other humans up to?. Thanks again. Take care 😘🏴 #ApesTogethetStrong ❤️ #CaesarNeverForgotten ❤️💔😭🤧 #TeamNoa ❤️
Actually, the Icarus launched from Cape Kennedy. This is stated at the beginning of the original film. Fort, Wayne Indiana was where Taylor was from.
I forgot about the casting, so when I saw it, I was wondering if Noah's father was played by Ron Perlman. Also Proximus makes me think of what it would be like if a motivational speaker con man gets power.
I always said Wes Ball was a perfect pick. Maze Runner trilogy was actually impressively accomplished in every technical sense of directorial craft - it's been obvious that James Cameron is Wes Ball's spirit animal - if anyone bothered to notice.
I'm not so sure this isn't actually the best of the series. Hard to say because I loved the Matt Reeves entries. But Kingdom is certainly the most sprawling with the most world building. It's sort of not the same genre as the others, because it's a quest adventure. There's nothing I didn't like about it.
I do think raka would come back. He only appears in the 1st movie of a trilogy so far (and not that much imo), while koba was introduced in the 1st movie and is the main antagonist of the 2nd movie. Koba was much more fleshed out and its easier to consider his story complete.
Storywise, this was impressively well-done. But I had a few gripes about this movie. Though overall the world-building was great, I think they missed the mark on introducing this new world properly. I know many who were initially stuck trying to figure out how the hawk-raising apes were connected to Caesar’s apes until the antagonists came along. But thankfully the movie does a great job filling in those gaps on its own. The hawks/eagles culture could’ve been explored a but better. Felt like they introduced us to this ape tribe with a new culture, and they dove deep enough into the culture to make it important to the movie, but not deep enough to understand it. The rest of my gripes have mainly to do with a lowered bar for casting and what they did with humans. Why does Mae, a woman who’s been traveling the ape world jungle, look like she’s got eyelash extensions and pounds of makeup on with a bit of mud smeared on her face? And why did they cast someone who struggled so painfully with an American accent? Either let her use her own accent or pick an American. It was really weird. Zuna/Suna’s voice immediately took me out of the movie from the very beginning. It was so modern and didn’t match the other apes, it felt very un-ape-like (within these movies) whereas the two males in the beginning made grunts and oo’s and retained an animalistic grit to their voices that was paced in a recognizable way. Granted, it got better when we reunite with her character, but a grittier female voice would’ve been a better choice.
I like where this movie is going. The “tube that eats light” or whatever they said? That sounds like they’re going to explore a black hole/wormhole concept, and connect it with the first movie (and by proxy, the original movies) given the missing astronauts mentioned in Rise.
Overall, this movie was really really good. But not quite at the same level of the Caesar trilogy for me. Dawn was a near perfect movie. That’s a high bar. But I’m hopeful for the rest of the movies in Noa’s trilogy.
perfect video to watch before going to bed, hell yea
I wish Proximus would have been like the dark Vader of this trilogy just showing up in all 3 films that would have been cool I had a few issues with this movie but overall I loved it.
He still might show up.
@@amorojaz27 yeah that is a fair point we never saw his body and we don’t know how high he fell.
I was thinking he could either come back extremely fucked up and with some new scars, or be like Koba haunting Caesar as a vision though I don't know if they'd want to kinda do the same thing again.
@@afunkymonkeyeah I’m still holding out hope he will come back because I loved Proximus and the way Kevin Durand talked about the character seemed like he liked playing him so hopefully he comes back fingers crossed.
THE ASTRONAUTS ARE HERE BABY!!! I've waited SOOOOO long. I can't see HOW they don't make the 1968 version next movie. and with everyone in the bunker and underground in this movie, I think was a little throwback to beneath the planet of the apes.
peter macon was good in the orville, but im glad he got to flex in a more dynamic performance
Kingdom was really good. As far as the modern Apes movies go, it ranks 3rd. I liked it more than Rise, but less than War and Dawn.
Rise has better moments, but Kindom is the better overall movie. I need to see Kingdom again, but I can't wait to buy the 4K.
Kingdom... Kingdom was great. While it wasn't as good as the Caesar Trilogy (at least overall, I did like it over Rise) it's still really well done.
I think it was me watching it almost immediately after Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire, but there was a slight bit of whiplash coming in and seeing it. But that didn't hamper my enjoyment of either movie.
I loved this movie. I thought it was absolutely incredible from start to finish.
I agree with you, it really needed a second viewing. I also felt the rough pacing in my first viewing, but my second viewing flew by once I knew the structure of the story.
In my initial viewing, I didn't like Mae because she comes across as a bit of a sociopath, which was not where I was expecting her character to go. However, in my second viewing, I did notice that she definitely displays moments of empathy, I just missed them. I think her character would benefit most with further development in a sequel, so I hope she comes back.
I loved the world building and the setting in this one, and I really want a video game set in this world, even though I know that won't happen.
The more I sit on this one, the more I love it. I feel pretty confident in saying it is my second favorite behind War. I do wish Proximus and Silva both had more screentime. I hope Wes Ball gets to do his director's cut one day because I would be interested in a longer cut of the film.
My personal take on the movie is that I enjoyed it. My only gripes are 2 things,
1. Mae switched personality with little prior suspicion. With Koba and Winter you got a sense that something was wrong over time and that just added to the effect it had when you found out what they’d done/would do. I felt that Mae’s sudden confession (that she has a name) came with little introduction earlier in the film (no wondering why she did this or that - until that point she was «just another Echo») as well as her sudden intelligence (knowing so much). I think they could have made her character a slower burn, creating suspense with every time she admitted something new. Also the «twist» at the end, little build-up suspicion to that too
2. I do feel now that the Roman influence on the movie made more sense in the story, but when I watched the movie for the first time, it made me roll my eyes. I did feel at that time that the Roman theme was a very easy and quick way to make a story, which didn’t feel very nuanced to me. It also made a clear «good-guy vs bad-guy» situation which is what i loved about the last trilogy, there wasn’t clear sides to take. But thinking over it in the following weeks I realise I am very excited to see where this series continues. It was a good movie and I enjoyed it!
3. Also I was expecting Noah to stop after coming out the tunnel to look in awe at what he’d never seen before
kingdom is quite the inverted story of war. The gorilla clan is guarding a military base similar to the humans in War.
Thanks - I was really looking forward to your review. It certainly did not disappoint!
I loved this movie and it lived to the hype I’m super excited for more of Noa’s EE VO LUTION for the next films and my only gripe with this film is I wished we had more scenes with Proximus because of how good he was, that Vault Opening Scene with him and Noa was so good I just wanted more and I hope both him and Rakka survive cause Rakka was another one of my favorite characters in this film over all I give it an 8/10 it’s very solid and super immersive and definitely deserves the Hype
I love this movie and that scene when Noa gets the Eagles to attack Proximus is one of the coolest things I've seen in a Planet of the Apes.
The best movie of the year. The most fascinating film franchise; it feels so fantastical and ultra realistic at the same time.
One direction this could go in, that I at least would find fascinating, is some movies that follow the continued development of the ape civilization through the centuries. Then, one day, 2,000 years in the future, some random human shows up "out of the blue" that turns what the apes, and by that point we viewers, thought they knew and what they'd built, on its head. Like, a 'remake' of the 1968 original but seen from the apes' point of view, so that the Neo-Taylor is akin to an alien invasion.
I really enjoyed this film. I think it's absolutely head and shoulders above the recent Ceasar Trilogy. However I don't trust the humans that Mae is associated with. This film could really springboard onto great stuff with this new era kick off. Amazing stuff!