Old 4 Wheeler Runs Like Crap, Lets Fix It.
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- Опубликовано: 1 апр 2023
- this is my 2003 suzuki vinson 500 that I bought new. over the years it gets harder and harder for it to have a proper idle and stay running. lets see if a knock off $36 carburetor from ebay can fix it.
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thanks mustie! i am 72 years old and i have finally been on a 4wheeler in the woods! the $38 carb is jimdandy!
I’m actually surprised Mustie bought something new.
You got that right. Hes got a death grip on his wallet like I've neve seen anyone have
So is he!
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Can't possibly be our Mustie...must be an imposter...I for one welcome our new alien overlords....
Probably took the money out of his wife's wallet .
The device on the left side of the old carb is a decel valve. There is a diaphragm under the cover that closes an idle circuit air passage when you shut the throttle at high speed. The purpose is to richen the mixture and reduce popping in the exhaust system under decel. The brass electrical device on the bowl is probably a heater that warms a fuel passage in cold weather. You could test that by applying 12v to it and see if it gets hot.
That make sense, that the brass thing is a heater plug.
Wonder what the failure mode of the diaphragm is? Could it be the cause of Mustie's idle issue?
@@Hertog_von_Berkshire his diaphragm wasnt busted, so it's more likely that the carb was very worn. both the slider and the core had wear damage.
The needle in the slide needs to be raised one notch…
@@comethiburs2326 Such wear would introduce a vacuum leak and go a bit lean? because I was thinking that the original jets might have EPA influence where the aftermarket jets might not. He mentioned reading the jets but I never saw him do it. Anyway, if you combine a bit of wear induced vacuum leak with EPA influenced jets, then it might be a lean condition, most easily fixed by either drilling out the main jet a hair or richening the idle mixture screw a hair, which I never saw, or greasing the slide to seal leaks. But I would rather drill out the jet than install a new carb with no vacuum port for the fuel shutoff and other fitment issues.
Well that just made me feel old! I worked for a Suzuki dealer when the Vinson came out, cannot believe it's been 20 effing years!😢
Ever since you adjusted the chest mount to point further ahead it makes the ride-alongs a whole lot more fun! Thanks for doing that.
Once while hiking miles into the deep woods I came across a log hunting cabin on top of a small hill, good size like 10x20, but a little slumpy in the back, had a huge critter hole inside like 5gal bucket sized, mattress complete gone with just the rusty springs remaining -- oh and I was just guessing that it was hunting cabin because the stone fireplace had Joe and Fred 1929 inscribed into the stone mantle, heh it was teh gay20's. snort Anyway the best part was the builders didn't anticipate the river changing course over time - where it had now been digging into the hillside, you walk out the front door and there's like 3 to 4ft of earth before a 25ft nearly vertical drop to the stream. cool spot
"its a 2003". me in my head: basicly brand new. "its 20 years old". me: Oh..
Same. I feel old now.
Hysterical. I am with you. I am calling people old that are 60 and I’m 57.
Feel your pain.
Welcome to the club😂
As someone that has done my share of brake work, I'm telling you that if you want any longevity out of those brakes, you MUST put some kind of lube on the pins of the caliper. Sil-glyde is cheap and usually will stand up even if you submerge in water.
It's a yearly job on my motorbike ...the winter, rain and salt pretty much seize the pins solid come spring.
I've used silicon grease, heavy duty grease and red rubber grease. They all work but I can only imagine the carnage if I used non at all.
I think for 36 bucks, SHIPPED, that was probably one of the best buys you could've made. You had a serious come up that one free pile with all the antique stuff (had that light box and other awesome stuff) but man that little 4x4 does the trick with that carb it sounded SO much better when you first started it on the stand, I was extremely impressed!! Great video, thing rides pretty nice at the end!
love the nature shot at the end. I remember you always used to do that at the end of all your videos. It's been a while. Was nice to see that again with the eagle.
The difference in cost from the stock carb to the aftermarket is extreme! You could buy three of them and store them on the shelf if there's ever any problems in the future. Good video Sir.
Manufacturer parts are crazy prices. Recently needed to replace a part on my car, it was no more than a very rudimentary pressed piece of metal (no moving parts) for the rear brakes. The manufacturer price was 600 Bucks, while the 'third party' part was about one fifth of that. Not sure what manufacturers are playing at other than greed - they would rather people replaced repairable cars so they make parts as stupidly expensive as possible. At least that's what it seems like.
Cheap ebay stuff is great sometimes
I agree, much more economical to spend $50 every 3 years versus $600, SMH. WHile the aftermarket cheaper version may have a cheaper casting, in reality the original wasnt all that much better in the long run as it continually was a headache with yearly fiddling every time you used it. I'll take the cheaper aftermarket any day, proves its value ever day I dont have to fiddle with the damn thing, lol.
$700 for a crappy little Mikuni carb is more than I paid for a specialized Holley 4-barrel carb for my truck. There's no reason they should be charging that much for a little motorcycle carb.
@@gb1613 well, let's see.. it's specialized for only a few applications with several extra gizmos (heater, fuel valve and whatever), check. it's been on stock for a while and probably isnt made anymore, check. if it's still made, then it's on special order and it's hand made in japan anyway, check.
Yeah, i see why that mikuni carb is expensive. the holley carb is versatile because it's NOT specialized by design... that means it's made in large volumes, which drives prices down.
This made me feel old. I remember watching the video of you installing the yellow bashbar/bumper on this machine all these years ago. Keep the videos comming they have been a great source entertainment for me here on the platform.
It was only 6 yrs. ago.
@@eric_seguin ok then but it wasnt yesterday.
@@trabantfreak2370💯% correct. Sometimes I just wonder why. Just to be heard? SMH
Looks like the exact China carb I got for my Kawi 300, in that application, that little round plug you found in the bowl is a carb preheater. Thanks for the video as always!
Pre-heater? Could be more for ice up prevention which is an issue in some extreme cases.
@@MostlyInteresting it definitely could be! Everything I've seen says it's a pre heater, only meant to warm up the fuel bowl for cold starting. I ran the original on my quad for a year and roughly 50 hours, while cleaning the carb I found it but it had galvanically corroded to the aluminum carb and the spade sticking out of it snapped off. I disconnected the wiring harness and ran it even in the dead of winter in northeast PA and didn't really notice a difference. I keep it in a partially insulated garage so it's not usually less than 45° at it's coldest. I got a china replacement that looks identical to Mustie's a few years later and simply plugged it back in to the new carb but I had no reason to except to keep everything factory. 🤷♂️
I did this on my four wheeler. It was a no brainer the whole carb was less than the carb rebuild kit from the dealer. works great.
Mustie1 they do have low speed screws that have an extended shaft and a thumbwheel. Still not as easy as a side screw but ten times easier than stock.
So nice waking up on a Sunday morning late and there's a Mustie1 episode posted.
Of course it almost wouldn't be a Mustie1 episode if Darren wasn't tearing a carberator apart to see how it works and diagnose what's wrong with it.
It amazes me he actually bought a high ticket vehicle new 😅😂
No matter what it's gonna be highly entertaining watching him getting his 4 wheeler running reliably.
This video is perfect timing! I started getting my 2000 Honda Rubicon back up and running 2 years ago this month. It had been sitting in the shop maybe 8 years. Heading out to the shop now to gather up the remaining parts and get back on her. Thanks Mustie!!! 😊
I would love to see the bikes and cars that you have kept. It make a cool video to see your collection.
Anyone else ?
I hazard a guess he's got enough to fill a walmart parking lot lol......He does give away/sell some of his repairs but like the homemade lambo...he's still got most.....
oh yeah, don't forget boats, motors, weed eaters, snow blowers, lawn mowers, generators, tractors, the list is endless hahahha
Thanks Mustie for doing the comparison. I call it a win for sure.
Hey Mustie, I am 75 . Really enjoyed the fix and especially the ride! Thanks so much……
The external battery is genius!!! I have 2 Honda atc's that both need batteries, I have access to very cheap batteries but hard to get one to fit the bike, this is what I will do! Cheers mustie!
Mustie, ever since watching your content I've marveled, and learned from, your mechanical skill. But more and more I'm also impressed by your artistry; from the custom engineering and fabrication to your cinematography, narration, and editing choices. Really enjoy the channel! Keep up the good work!
I have a 2003 Suzuki Eiger that had carb problems, similar to your symptoms, I removed it and thoroughly cleaned it, I also moved the throttle needle up about .020 in. That was 5 yrs ago, it is now 2023 and I have had no problems since. This is a. 400cc and throttle roll-on will spin tires in 1st or 2nd gear. Top speed is around 50 mph.
Hey Mustie 1, nice machine. The plating difference is zinc plating with yellow chromate conversion vs zinc plating with clear chromate conversion. I bought a knock off carb for my Sthil weed wacker and to this day it has outlasted and ran BETTER than the Zama original ever did. I have a feeling the EPA gets involved and the manufactures have to set them up too lean etc to meet emissions, but that's just a theory. You've given me inspiration to do some maintenance to my Yellow Polaris Sportsman twin 700 this spring. First thing I ever Bought new (2004) Thanks
It is a theory shared by a lot of small engine enthusiasts and is actually written down and enforced to the best of my knowledge; these EPA regulations to "save the planet". Most newer carbs lack fine tuning and have fixed jets to discourage modifying them to run richer, etc., etc.
I am sure that is true, certainly in Scotland where I am. My Honda GCV160 lawnmower engine ran too lean when I bought it and I changed the jet a couple of sizes up - works great now.
Thanks! I love all of your videos. I watch them over and over again daily!
I did the same carb swap on my Vinson about a year ago and it is still working fine. I ride it 3 or 4 times a week. Summer or winter, it starts easy and runs great.
Thanks for taking us on the trail ride on this spring day. Weather here was so nice today I had my sliding glass door wide open.
The small electrical device is a low wattage heater 15 to 30 watts to help with cold weather starting. There is usually a thermistor in line with it and shuts off as the engine warms up. But all you you have to do is put an inline switch to shut off the heater after 10 or 15 minuets of run time. You got it running though cool!
This was a very interesting video, I love seeing these comparisons of OEM vs other. Thanks for another great start to Sunday.
The mouse problem. Is most definitely the result of not having enough granny gowns in the neighborhood. I'm talking about the blue dresses with white spots. You get the count of those blue dresses with white spots up to where they're about three-quarters of the people you see walking around every day or wearing a dress, and you will no longer have a mouse problem. One of the side effects is though if you go to work in your garden you'll find a lot of hidden surprises so gloves are recommended.
Have you figured it out yet?
Gotta say 20 years is a pretty good run for about any machine. Nice to see this one still getting some love.
Like the burnt out wreck in the forest, that's about how they end up. They are ran hard, put away wet and then run again into the ground. It's amazing to me how nice equipment is routinely trashed. I visit a motorcycle salvage yard once in a while and the amount of trashed, ruined, neglected bikes is astounding.
For a Honda ATv thats just getting warmed up bud!
I have been watching your show for some time now and have learned more than I can put into words. Thank you for your hard work! BTW, I have an old used Kawasaki Bayou that has been sitting for years and this show has encouraged me to get it running.
Always a pleasure to come in from my shop after getting my old Warrior ATV running perfectly, to find a new video by Mustie getting HIS old ATV running. Beer time!
i actually picked up a 2005 arcticcat 500m, which is the same engine as in your suzuki Mustie1. it had less than 300 miles and only about 75 hours on it! needed a new needle valve after running it for a couple hours, but it was my dream atv since high school and its basically brand new still! i absolutely love your videos and im sure this one will be no different. thank you for the awesome content!
Glad to see a personal toy we haven't seen in a while brought back to life. I also happen to have the same ITP AT589 tires, but yours are 27" and mine are 26"
Awesome video as always...truly enjoy your wrenching but more over your fabrication...going to your endless stash and finding exactly what you need is epic. Appreciate all you do and share 😇🛠️🔧🛻🚜🇺🇸🏍️🛵🚙
Just wanted to say thanks for all the small engine carb rebuild videos I've been watching many of your videos even a lot of your old videos from 5 & 6 years ago. I used to be really bad with carbs I'm slowly getting better with them thanks to your videos. Just like I'm currently working on a craftsman snow blower I got from the trash guy said the engine was locked up. I got it home pulled dipstick and it smelled of gas so right there I knew what happened to it. Pulled the spark plug and it was full of gas and pulled the cord and all the gas shot out of it. So I'm rebuilding the carb now and will change the oil and hopefully it will run on its own
Thanks for the trail ride, Mustie. This old townie likes to get out and about now and then. All the best, Mart in England.
Folding Corona saw....I keep one in each of my machines, along with a hatchet, small shovel and a fixed blade knife....I've used all of them at one time or another. The corona saw is a gnarly little cutter. Much better than the old Sierra saw
Did I hear right, not a yard or roadside find, but new ! Good for you Darren 👍🙂
It's a pleasure watching you videos.
Thanx for another one.
Well that was fun!
Now that you have a receiver, make yourself a Drop Down insert that can take a D Ring. Then you can run your winchline under and behind yourself and keep it centered to the machine if you ever need to winch yourself backwards.
Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦
Preventive maintenance is a necessary thing thank you for showing us how easy it is to do this was an excellent video with outstanding content six stars brother
Preventive maintenance is fixing things before they fall rather than doing it after. If it won't run then it isn't preventive
I rebuilt the carb on my 2003 Yamaha Roadstar last year. It had the same problems and used a similar CV carb. I had gone thru it a couple of times over the last ten years with not real long lasting fix until last year when I replaced the decel valve which changed how it run completely. Now it starts and runs great and idles instantly . The brass electrical item you removed is a carb preheater unit.
Nice trails, gets me excited to head north within the coming weeks to visit my land. Haven’t been since 2017, life happens, thanks for reminding me to chill a bit and go hang out in the woods.
Some of those mini chainsaws that use batteries would be a good addition to your "emergency" stowage. As long as you keep charged batteries in with it. The one I have (a fairly cheap Amazon unit) is amazing. I can easily trim large diameter brush with it. Could even take down a good small tree. I still use my Stihl for larger jobs, but this thing is really handy! Amazed at how well it works. Would probably be good for on the trail when you don't feel like working hard with a hand saw.
Great Video. Always a great camera angle. Perfect editing, Skill level, genius level! I believe you could fix a bad day! Thanks Darren. I have turned a BUNCH of folks on to your channel. I love how you can pick up stuff off the side of the road and have it going in one video. I remember you worked on your Daddy's boat outboard motor. You tickled him! THANKS DARREN !
New carb is set up to use an electric enrichener valve. It is controlled by a temperature sensor. If you have a manual valve you do not need the sensor. I put the stock jets in the aftermarket carbs. I just got a cheap aftermarket carb for my Honda 450 Foreman and popped it on. Works really good. Only thing that I had a problem with was the mixture screw. The spring was very weak and it was missing the tiny O-ring. It kept backing out. I replaced the spring with the one out of the original carb and I had to buy the tiny O-Ring because I lost the one out of the original carb.
The thing screwed under the carb is an heating element to prevent it from freezing.
If you try to use it sometimes it use AC , like electric choke
Was interesting to see how quickly the oil got dirty after the change.
Awesome as always.Thanks for sharing and taking us along
Worked on one of these last summer. Replaced a few small parts in the carb, the throttle cable, and adjusted it all and it was fine.
Awesome video Mustie1 👍👍👍 I rode a 4 wheeler several years ago, love ride one again.
I had a prairie 360 that had similar issues, turned out to be the intake valve lash. Reset the valves back to spec and bam ran like new again.
Nice. Always enjoy the bits at the end as well.
Great video. It was really hauling it at the end😂!! Can’t wait till the next project. Thanks
Stunning trail & happy for your success with this machine. Always a fun video …Mustie is Number 1 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Thanks for the great video, and a nice tour on your trail. 😊
Don't forget to adjust the intake and exhaust valves, especially if it hasn't been done in a while.
I did the same thing...I picked up an 2012 Ariens riding mower that hadn't been used for years. It was $70 for carb kit, so I ordered an Amazon carb for $27 with filter, runs great so far!
Congrats Mustie1 on finding a new carb for ur 4 wheeler. sounds great afterwards..
Your wrenching is always fun Mustie, but I really enjoyed the last several minutes of you out in the woods on this wheeler. Maybe change up from wrenching and do a trail clean-up vid, maybe drag out some tools and bone out anything useable off the old burnt wheeler, just a day inna woods kinda thing.....
Thanks for the shop time and trail ride Mustie1!
Thanks for the video! I wanted to see the difference between the knock off carbs and the originals.
Mustie,
I think that burned out wheeler would make an excellent video for a put it together out of what you have in parts stash!
Awesome you got the 4 wheeler running like new. Pretty cool
I bought a carb for my 93 Honda 4 wheeler from Amazon, and it ran out great. It saved me a bunch of money, too.
looks like a really fun area to ride, wouldnt mind seeing more vids of that.
$36 dollar knock off carburetor vs $700 OEM one. You can buy a new 36 dollar Carburetor each year for 18 years and still save money over the OEM one. Happy you got it working better and now can enjoy it more.
That was great never seen a carburetor so cheap but it works so use it and new to you got it going on service it and ready for another year of use great job Mustie but if it works Mustie can fix it thank you can't wait for next video thank you for sharing and your time.
It’s so nice to see the older quads back running & being enjoyed
I like the video on the 4x4. I have a sxs that needs some work on the carburetor are about the same l, it was a lot of help. Thanks again
Good video Mustie, Those enricheners can be a pain I've seen between the cable or the plunger sticking or ageing going out of adjustment idle speed and mixture can be trouble some or all of the up to four mixture jets on Suzuki's. Nice machine.
Where I was at college, you could tell how good a weekend the local joy-riders/car thieves had by counting the burnt out cars dumped outside the village on a Monday morning!
Thanks for the ride! Nice job!
Maybe it's been said, but I've found boiling a carb in vinegar gets out deposits nothing else can. I think the heat opens up passages just enough. I did it on an expensive carb for a john deere garden tractor. Found a hardened chuck of varnished gas in the pot when I was done. Worked great after.
Great car Derek you're videos are awesome
Love the Wile E. Coyote sticker on your truck. XD Runs good for the cost! Free scrap? Nice. An eagle, cool!
I have an Arctic Cat atv. Was having problems with carb, purchased a new carb from Amazon for 18 bucks. Now it runs great.
With the exception of one bad fuel shutoff solenoid that I was planning to delete anyway, I have really good luck with aftermarket carbs. You may get a bad one here or there, and they may not last as long on some applications, but when the cost of the aftermarket is a fraction of the OEM, it really doesn't matter if you have to go through one or two of them. The money you save is well worth it. I will buy OEM if it is a show room machine, but there is no reason to on most applications, unless the OEM is inexpensive. The price of most OEM carbs is just unreasonable.
Mustie1, Glad the new carb worked out for you! I see the MacPack is still in your arsenal of tools.
AWESOME VIDEOMUSTIE LOVE LIKE THE WAY YOU STEP BY STEP EVERY THING VERY ENJOYABLE TO WATCH JOB WELL DONE,,,
Ah, the sunday mustie movie! I look forward to this every week
Good job! Im in Kansas City, Mo and have been seeing more and more Bald eagles in the last few years in town.
Nice score for 35 beans👍🏻 for 20 years old it’s a sweet machine Mustie
Awesome backwoods trails dude!!!
Excellent video Mustie 1 :) also yes nice trail in camp spot you reminds of Boys Scouts camp near my uncle, aunt house near me went to when in childhood years in 1984 to 1990 to and enjoy it! Glad Carb cheaper price work out excellent so far and would say check on how much used burn in old carb per hour or miles and compare on new one does ! That might idea to compare on too and might surprise you too!
The electrical part on the new carb is a carb heater to prevent icing on cold days. My Vstar 650 has them and when the go out, you know it. Below 40-45 degrees the carbs ice up really bad. I chased this problem for a while on mine. I took the air filter housing off after it stranded me and looked inside the tube between the filter housing and carbs. There was frost inside there and the temps where low 40's. Summer time on the Blue Ridge Parkway after a cold front and rain passing over Mt. Pisgah. It sucked, but I nursed the old girl home and replaced those little heaters. I've talked to people about them but no one seems to know exactly what controls them. I assume it's the same little module that controls the electric fuel pump. The carbs are down draft and sit up under the tank so at half tank the bike quits if the fuel pump isn't running.
Great video thanks. and as usual love the commentary 🙂
Great job as always 👍... Thanks for sharing. Nice Atv.
I noticed the needle in the new one was way shorter than the old carb, I wonder if it’s adjustable, otherwise it looks to short to work properly. Anyway it did. Nice work 👍
Had a Vinson and actually loved the quad for a short time until it became perpetually problematic. I sold it and bought a honda foreman and it has been literally flawless for the past 10+ years I've owned. The Vinson's powerband is better but im old so the Foreman works just fine
That eagle at the end was really cool, Musty! I didnt know we had any around here. I live in south central-ish Mass. I have heard that there are Bald eagles around the Quabbin reservoir, but I dont hang out in that area of Mass. Nice to know our national bird lives near by.
Wheeew, Oh Man!!! We was haulin' ass at the end there! That was fun as hell!
You had some fun with the editing at the end of this one.
A fun video. Reminded me of good times in the past.
Dave Goodwin
As alway it made for great viewing bro. Safe travels
Man mustie I want another 4wheeler now! I miss driving on the trails! It's a blast!
Long way to walk back if new carb craps out on maiden soirée. Enjoy vids keep up great work.
Try sintered brake pads, I find they last a lot longer and have better holding power. Nice wheeler. By the way you upgraded the tires from 25” to 27”, perfect size for that quad.
Always watch till the very end...magnificent. !