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I respect it. Personally, I love Vindi, because it highlights the strengths of GW2 over other MMOs (that it has the capability to be a fighting game masquerading as an RPG). But Vindi does take a lot of hours to get used to. Funny thing is, Herald feels quite wrong to me, because of how used I am to Vindi. Rolling on the ground? What is this nonsense? Lol. I do Herald out of necessity when the team absolutely needs the boons.
My favorite part is that Teapot says his goal with this list is to be subjective and maybe annoy some people. Queue Lara raiding her stream into Teapot’s to defend Catalyst. Greatest crossover of all time 😂
You know, I only ever really played Fire Wizard. Teapot has opened my eyes to the existence of Puddle Wizard, Breeze Wizard, and Dirt Wizard! Thanks Teapot!
You dont need to know the existence of them, I mean, dirt wizard is useless. Puddle wizard, well fuck the others, let them survive on their own. Breeze wizard... meeeh it is ok to run faster, then you have the almighty fire wizard and staff 2 spam, thats all you need.
Gotta agree with the Reaper ratings. Not my main, but I think everyone should have a reaper for when you want to turn off your brain and just Unga Bunga
My personal favorite 'Fun' build is You Can't Stop Me Warrior. Just take any trait that removes movement impairment, and Utility skills that break stun. Some of them are shockingly rather good. More detail below: Specs: Discipline, Strength, and you can filler any Elite Spec really, Discipline and Strength do the heavy lifting on the concept. For Discipline, get Warrior's Strength to kill Immobile when using Movement skills. Great sword is a good pick for this reason, as it has multiple movement skills in its Weapon skills. Get Doubled Standards if you're going Spellbreaker, otherwise, Destruction of the Empowered, since Spellbreaker kills boons, and Banners are nice. For Strength, get Brave Stride and Forceful Great sword, to both amp up damage, and to further prevent new disables while getting out of old disables. Brave Stride does hamper Berserker's ability to sustain and break stuns to upkeep Berserk duration, so consider swapping it out for Peak Performance or Restorative Strength if you like to Headbutt. Banner of Tactics, Stomp, and "Shake it Off!" for Utility skills provides useful abilities that all, also, break your stuns. Stomp also removes Immobile as it's a movement skill. For alternative options, most Stance skills have a Stun Break, and most Physical skills are Movement skills, so mixing and matching to suit your needs is easy. Healing skills are very 'whatever you like', but Healing Signet has Resistance, so if you really want to maximize the concept, there you go. As for Elite Skills... well... the world is your oyster. There are no consequences for using Headbutt as a Berserker, Signet of Rage is a good selfish buff, Battle Standard is good group aid, Rampage is kinda mid, but also grants Stability, Winds of Disenchantment can kill annoying Protection boons, and Tactical Reload lets you Bladesworn even harder, so you're free to pursue whatever helps you out.
Scrapper was always my go to for quick or dps, since the update to quickness application I just never touched it again. In their efforts to prevent spamming for boons, they made it so you had to spam harder for boons.
It feels like scrapper was changed just to spite people that enjoyed it, honestly, because it's significantly worse than the old design. Big deal, you're not locked into wells anymore, now you're just locked into combo skills instead and have to spam them just as much, if not more. All the while you've got other specs that radiate boons just for existing while scrapper has to work orders of magnitude harder to produce the same amount of quickness while simultaneously providing less boon support overall to the group. And it's not even like it has the revive over other specs either, since you're forced to use F5 on cooldown for quickness and so will never have its utility available when you actually need it. Oh and 3 is by far the worst skill on hammer, always has been and now you're forced to use that too. Yeah, absolute slap-in-the-face tier.
@@evilSapphieYou mentioned that function gyro needs to be used off cool down - that's imprecise or incorrect for two reasons. First, the previous snowcrows build used function gyro, so that's a neutral point. Secondly, on modern scrapper you can simply take another blast source to cover the quickness or slightly increase your concentration. Practically speaking, this means that you now have the choice of going full DPS or swapping a utility away from pure DPS to obtain a rez utility - like the res signet on guardian, for example.
For real man. Qscrapper change is just unnecessary and painful. If anything, they should keep boon applications to one button like FB and Ren, have all the fun reactive stuff, like aegis/stab/cleanse, be the ones to be difficult to apply. It's "buffed" but so unfun to play.
I much prefer it after the changes, it's never an issue to keep up Quickness and you have a choice over utility without being locked to filling your bar with Gyros. I had it before but never really clicked with the class till after the change.
Scrapper is really fun open-world, and if you don't worry about Quick gen, it feels way better. I leaned into the Might/Stability loop (all bottom traits in Scrapper) and it feels really good. Immune to knockdowns, extreme might duration, etc
Core Necro Carapace builds can be very fun if you have reliable poison gen. Stack your Toughness to the moon and tank the planet, use other specs purely for damage because Carapace has you covered. Parasitic Contagion in Curses combos super well for a Core Condi Necro.
I finally rolled a Reaper after playing nearly every other spec first (been playing since initial release). I don't really care about which spec is "best" as much as I do it just feeling fun and efficient for my playstyle. With that said, Reaper really is the most fun I've had on a character in both PVE and PVP. It just makes sense.
Same. Vindi takes some learning, but it's kind of insane once you get the muscle memory for it. It's not forgiving if you're distracted or tired, but it's nigh-indestructible when played correctly. I often myself the last man standing during a losing boss fight ( in rough fractals and strikes), which goes to show how potent it is. That being said, once I see a party wipe out, it's usually a signal to me, to switch to the more boring Herald. The boons are just that important sometimes. Slows the run down, but wiping out is even slower.
I think you should do a "fun tier list" now that SotO has been out for a month. See if these choices have changed or if you're still in the same mindset. 😊
Feels like I missed out on something since I am a bladesworn main, but I don't own a katana. In fact, I don't even own black clothes because it's Florida and I don't feel like melting. It also felt better setting up the tiers when I did it as "Mained by Anet devs", "Solid choice", "Fair enough", "Sure, why not...", and "Question life choices". Looking forward to if you ever do a tier list for LI builds.
I still remember when I suddenly saw a huge number of players just doing events one after other in Snowden drifts. I was a new player and was confused about why there were so many players there, and most of them had a high yellow number next to their names ( I didn't know what the mastery system was yet) but I knew they were high level players.i wanted to join them but was reluctant to cuz it felt like a high level event and i thought there is no way a low level player will be able to deal any significant damage. But I still tried to participate cuz well what can I loose, to see the damage number pop up. It was surprising and it felt good. Everyone completed the event and we got the rewards. I followed the group for a few more events after that. It was fun and I was hooked. Looking back, I think it was one of the event completion dailies in that map.
If it was Snowden Drifts it might have also been the Piñata Stampede as part of the Dragonbash festival. Were you killing holographic enemies across the map? Or just doing regular events?
I feel like the key to unlocking the fun of Vindicator is in getting really good at making the best use of their active defense capabilities to be untouchable when it counts. Overall though it does kind of feel like it's a half-baked spec that doesn't fully commit to the design vision of duality that it communicates.
My fun S Tier list: Open PvE just doing stuff Vindi becasue stuff dies fast and 2 legends gives you a ton of utility even more so on alliance. For harder content cele staff mirage for solo dungeons etc. Any group content Herald because I am useful and rotations are easy enough. WvW heal Druid support because I am non stop healing and rooting, for damage staff weaver and roaming Renegade or soulbeast.
Cele Untamed was soooo fun with Fervent Force. I was salty about FF removal so I moved away from the build, but recently I re-built the spec using the new quickness trait and it's still pretty fun. Double axe unleash is so satisfying in open world.
Ofc herald is S tier! I use it for everything, which in my case primarily means PvE and WvW. The few times I do play PvP I bring it as well. I'll never be Goddess of PvP, but I can pull my weight both in terms of support and damage.
Surprised by catalyst placement. I too enjoy semi support builds. Air/water cata, with buffed spheres for quickness and boon duration, with full dps gear is super enjoyable brawler, borderline unkillable, with tons of great boons for the group. And will still dish out very respectible dps. One of my favourites, but, as u said, fun is very much subjective;)
Bladesworn is what got me hooked to GW2. My absolute FAVORITE class. Once you master it, dps is huge. Makes doing fracs ez. Pve content ez. Strikes ez. Even raids ez. I highly recommend to anybody looking to have fun. The learning curve isn't the easiest but it's well worth it.
Ty for your content and this vid. ❤I play core warrior for map completion on warriors, and it's fun there. Rifle + GS. I hate bladesworn and know almost nothing about it, I like berzi and spellbreaker, but they have almost nothing for fast heart completion (in my mind). Have fun y'all o/
Hi Teapot, you sold me on Power Alac Mech a long time ago, and I still love it. I'm surprised it's fallen to B Tier. Like you've said, played well, it offers awesome utility and can pump DPS (especially in a pug). Mechs are amazing PvE generalists - A Tier!
@@sanguin3 Press all the buttons and you'll have more fun? I have a blast playing Alac DPS Mech and blowing stuff up. It's a solid tried-and-true build and effective everywhere.
Mantras are changed on Firebrand and I can't agree more, it's now S tier fun! It truly rewards players who are active, you have a million buttons which makes you able to respond to really any kind of situation.
Does Laranity actually like Catalyst... or just hammer? I do agree in part that it's questionable to say Catalyst is just core ele with an extra button and then rate it lower... but I think there is also some justification to that. Catalyst mechanics push some specific playstyles in order to stack those buffs, while core ele gives you more freedom. Regarding herald - I think I can see the justification behind it being 'wasted potential' tier when talking about the fantasy. Herald is, in terms of theme and fantasy, the closest thing to a 'dragon knight' fantasy, but while it's kinda there in the facet consumes, condition guardians and dagger eles can arguably hit those notes better. They could have gone all-in on the dragon theme with a primary weapon with dragon-themed skills and legend skills that really embrace a "wield the powers of the dragon Glint" fantasy, but while there are a couple of those with some of the facet consumes, on the whole herald's identity (especially now...) feels much more about sweating out boons through semi-passive upkeep skills. You can kind of get there through condi herald, but it's a little sad that that happens because the Mallyx-oriented stuff almost fits the dragon theme as well as the Herald stuff.
3:52 "I'm bringing the hammer down" ...was that pun intentional? Bringing the hammer down as in putting the elite specs that use Hammer in the bottom? :D
Guardian greatsword is what finally got me through the base game. Guardian greatsword and hammer are just fun. Any elite spec I can use either of those weapons I'll enjoy.
Actually, you could not be more wrong on Catalyst, in my eyes. I "recently" started to play it with a double daggers, aura oriented, mostly celestial build, and I'm having a lot of fun on pve open world content. I generally enjoy elementalist in pve group content (instancied content), with the tempest spe (mostly as alac healer). But it's been long time since I enjoyed elementalist on random open world content, and my new catalyst build brings me this (maybe because at core, I'm a combo enjoyer since day 1 :D). You just got to get rid of the hammer and go melee with a dagger in each hand. :)
Yeah, I used the level 80 boost from SOTO to make my first Elementalist and I just made her a Catalyst today... and so far? Calling it "Ele but with F skill" is like calling Guild Wars 2 "budget WoW" When I got 30 Hero Points and took the Catalyst Hammer, I was already able to use it as Core Elementalist because of SOTO. (apparently only one of your characters can speak to the Weaponmaster Training guy and it will unlock for everyone) Which Im pretty sure Teapot has never experienced when he first played Elementalist back in the day. I went and got the rest of the Hero Points as Core Ele with Hammer. So by Teapot's logic, I was just Cata without F Skill right? Nah. When I got all the traits and skills and put on the Cata spec, there were some f*ckin changes, man. Like holy sh*t. It feels like Im playing a Rhythm game, but Im both generating and hitting the quick time notes simultaneously.
@@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777 I like your lyrism in the last paragraph. It says a lot about how your build inspires you. :) Glad you found your fun!
funny how everyone - including Teapot - sings CMC's praises but first 3m of the vid and the specs CMC designed go to the bottom of the list. Because he 'devs by the numbers' and doesn't seem to get what makes a build fun. I'm sure he's a great guy, and I don't want to sound like Im attacking him personally but truth is I am not a fan of his work at all. Scrapper was fun, now its not. PAM was fun, now it's not, and that list can go on and on. What the game needs is a regime change, sadly.
needs a regime change and if you voice that opinion anywhere on the game forums you get banned. i’ve been banned on the forums and downvoted on reddit countless times for saying that cmc needs to either resign from anet or give up on class design. the dude just can’t fucking do it.
I agree with holosmith. It's not the best dps and doesn't offer much support, but the CC is pretty good and it's just a lot of fun. I just stick to power build with 1 kit though, I don't think I could play condi holo well enough to make it worthwhile. Corona burst into photon blitz always feels good.
What you said about catalyst I think all specs are right now +1 button to core spec. U can go core necro with greatsword and u just have different shroud
Based Power Herald take. Maybe one day it will come back to PvP, if CMC ever decides to stop giving all the good qol changes to condi rev builds that no one asked for.
As a currently mirage main.. doing condi dps aclarity with a staff.. hell yes , agreed fully xD, currently also trying to do berserker, also agree with scrapper as it was my quite decently played one...but yeah staff/staff mirage, love it, staff cool
I've been having so much fun with willbender lately. I want to like bladesworn but the way it feels when you're just waiting for it to build while not moving or pressing anything beyond potentially 2 abilities is just not that fun. It looks fun when I watch people play it but it's just not as fun as I thought it would be after playing around with a couple different builds.
To those who interested in vidicator, don't take this guy seriously absolutely no idea what he's talking about. vindicator is solid A tier if not S tier. It has amazing features, easy condi cleanse, easy stun break for groups, spammable barrier, high dmg numbers and most importantly it's not clunky like warrior. it has an amazing flow, very forgiving dps rotation. tons of gap closers. I've been beating raids and cms with that with such nice sustain and "industry standard" dps numbers. The biggest weakness of the vindi is CC. It's second weakness is it does not offer quickness or alacrity. I'm a warrior main btw, and I don't really feel like I should play with my main since I discovered vindi.
Harbinger to me would be more fun if the theme was more consistent to me its just weird how its a smash of 3-4 different things that have zero things to do with each other like why why is it a gunslinger alchemist witch hunter/doctor mixed with necromancy who does kung fu but not kung fu really more like martial arts but firing magic green balls from your hands like a anime character. Gameplay is OK but animations are just weird mix of thousand different things coupled with elixirs that have no animation to speak off and feel really unsatisfying to use. Pistol i like mostly because i like more technomage type mage than classical mage and i can't wait to have pistol on my elementalist.
I'm a mesmer main and now they brought back 2 dodges for mirage it is S tier for me. The way you can zip in and out of combat, plopping out clones as you go. Peak mesmer gameplay imo. My second char is ele I agree with those placements. I know cata is effective I just can't get on with it the combo fields and not sure I like hammer
Following statements are purely subjective and there is no need to take it as an attack on you as a person: Current Weave Self Power Weaver is...okay as far as Weaver rotations go. Only the opening is fun, after that you swap between Fire and Air completely ignoring Water and Earth. Conjure Fiery Greatsword is on par with Weave Self in my opinion, it suffers from the same problem in that the opening is the only fun part. It's cooler in that you pick up the weapon again as part of the rotation but after that you wait ~120 seconds until it's available again, during which you again swap between Fire and Air ignoring Water and Earth. Now, the Unravel rotation however is so much fun. Not only does it provide an alternative rotation where you dip into Earth, but it doubles as easy access to full Air for emergency CC when not running Fresh Air. I've never played a more fun dps spec than Unravel Power Weaver, and now they changed Earth 5 to no longer animation lock you so I will start playing this even if it is a DPS loss.
This is funny. I just switched to power untamed for my fractals and I also run it open world. Try a Gyala delve as quickness untamed with axe/horn + axe/axe. Just double unleashed Axe 1 every few seconds. That's a 40k multi target aimbot RANGE cleave. Try it and tell me that's not fun.
ik this a month old, and I stopped playing for quite a while, but I mained Holosmith for 160+ hours and whilst it is quite fun at first I think it does fall off a bit. But I think that's a bit universal to all classes that don't do the mot batsh** crazy stuff. I did overheat whilst not paying attention and 160 is my total playtime, but the main mechanic is just stop heat when too hot, not that exciting imo. Guns on 4 are very cool tho. I think going into the game and mixing in more strategy might make the class more fun though, as I was kind of casual.
In my opinion Engineer should get weapon swap in combat. The flip side is if you slot one or more kit utility/heal/elite skill you no longer get weapon swap in combat. I like all kits except health one and the elixir gun or whatever its called. I also like flamethrower in concept, the skills are kinda meh. But especially with the new access to shortbow soonish. I would love to be a scrapper or holo with hammer/shortbow or Sword/shield and shortbow. Also I personally think Mesmer should be getting MH.pistol and Ele should get Rifle or Longbow.
the truth about this type of video is: you don't watch until the end, you go to the part where TP talks about the build you play and listen to him disagreeing about how boring it is or not, just to confirm your decision or make you create a new character and give up on it and go back to your preferred build LOL
I've moved away from Quickness Scrapper, as I'm usually playing open world and ending up with randoms doing events: I've been having more fun. Being able to use Function Gyro when and where I want it, has been better than relying on it as a blast finisher to apply consistent Quickness.
Condi Soulbeast has been a riot for me. Axe/Torch is kinda under rated, I prefer it as Dagger/Dagger;Axe/Torch, instead of Dagger/Dagger;Shortbow swaps.
Is this still good? I just started playing again and i have ascended berserker and viper sets plus axes, torch, swords.. just need a dagger but I may have to try Condi out. Power soulbeast has been pretty nuts im out here soloing everything with relative ease but the sword skills are kind of wack to be honest.
24:34 And that's the problem with Berserker: people seem to forget it can use more than just a greatsword. :D I'm not talking about numbers (I've no idea if other weapons bring enough to a group), but you can have fun with weapons other than great sword. The berserker spe even made rifle playable! :D
I know, I know, its a matter of opinion, but you're dead wrong about scrapper. The change to quickness mechanic actually makes it more fun. Gyro, gyro, gyro, gyro over and over again is not fun. Looking out for wells that other players have put down and doing finishers in them, thats fun. Also, in before hammer. Because hammer. And hammer 3 is also fun, just requires situational awareness and an occasional quick switch to a kit to break out of it.
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I respect it. Personally, I love Vindi, because it highlights the strengths of GW2 over other MMOs (that it has the capability to be a fighting game masquerading as an RPG). But Vindi does take a lot of hours to get used to. Funny thing is, Herald feels quite wrong to me, because of how used I am to Vindi. Rolling on the ground? What is this nonsense? Lol.
I do Herald out of necessity when the team absolutely needs the boons.
Lol, I almost made a meme Bladesworn that has Katanas to go with the Gunsaber, but I didn't want to fork up the gems for it.
This Fun Tier List is F Tier. 😂
Vindicator with sigil of energy is like playing Mario Bros on goombas, really exciting
Vindicator energy rotation "dodge, dodge, f2, dodge, swap, dodge, dodge", i really love this gameplay
yeah on the fun scale it is super fun. you're friggin invincible most of the fight, how is that not fun??
Yeah Vindicator is my favorite class by far i love spamming jump :D you can become a pogo stick of doom ^^
Can one block or reflect the Vindi dodge?
My favorite part is that Teapot says his goal with this list is to be subjective and maybe annoy some people. Queue Lara raiding her stream into Teapot’s to defend Catalyst. Greatest crossover of all time 😂
You know, I only ever really played Fire Wizard. Teapot has opened my eyes to the existence of Puddle Wizard, Breeze Wizard, and Dirt Wizard! Thanks Teapot!
You dont need to know the existence of them, I mean, dirt wizard is useless. Puddle wizard, well fuck the others, let them survive on their own. Breeze wizard... meeeh it is ok to run faster, then you have the almighty fire wizard and staff 2 spam, thats all you need.
Gotta agree with the Reaper ratings. Not my main, but I think everyone should have a reaper for when you want to turn off your brain and just Unga Bunga
As a vindicator main, I am in shambles and currently leveling a fire wizard.
My personal favorite 'Fun' build is You Can't Stop Me Warrior.
Just take any trait that removes movement impairment, and Utility skills that break stun. Some of them are shockingly rather good. More detail below:
Specs: Discipline, Strength, and you can filler any Elite Spec really, Discipline and Strength do the heavy lifting on the concept.
For Discipline, get Warrior's Strength to kill Immobile when using Movement skills. Great sword is a good pick for this reason, as it has multiple movement skills in its Weapon skills. Get Doubled Standards if you're going Spellbreaker, otherwise, Destruction of the Empowered, since Spellbreaker kills boons, and Banners are nice.
For Strength, get Brave Stride and Forceful Great sword, to both amp up damage, and to further prevent new disables while getting out of old disables. Brave Stride does hamper Berserker's ability to sustain and break stuns to upkeep Berserk duration, so consider swapping it out for Peak Performance or Restorative Strength if you like to Headbutt.
Banner of Tactics, Stomp, and "Shake it Off!" for Utility skills provides useful abilities that all, also, break your stuns. Stomp also removes Immobile as it's a movement skill. For alternative options, most Stance skills have a Stun Break, and most Physical skills are Movement skills, so mixing and matching to suit your needs is easy.
Healing skills are very 'whatever you like', but Healing Signet has Resistance, so if you really want to maximize the concept, there you go.
As for Elite Skills... well... the world is your oyster. There are no consequences for using Headbutt as a Berserker, Signet of Rage is a good selfish buff, Battle Standard is good group aid, Rampage is kinda mid, but also grants Stability, Winds of Disenchantment can kill annoying Protection boons, and Tactical Reload lets you Bladesworn even harder, so you're free to pursue whatever helps you out.
Scrapper was always my go to for quick or dps, since the update to quickness application I just never touched it again. In their efforts to prevent spamming for boons, they made it so you had to spam harder for boons.
It feels like scrapper was changed just to spite people that enjoyed it, honestly, because it's significantly worse than the old design. Big deal, you're not locked into wells anymore, now you're just locked into combo skills instead and have to spam them just as much, if not more. All the while you've got other specs that radiate boons just for existing while scrapper has to work orders of magnitude harder to produce the same amount of quickness while simultaneously providing less boon support overall to the group. And it's not even like it has the revive over other specs either, since you're forced to use F5 on cooldown for quickness and so will never have its utility available when you actually need it. Oh and 3 is by far the worst skill on hammer, always has been and now you're forced to use that too. Yeah, absolute slap-in-the-face tier.
@@evilSapphieYou mentioned that function gyro needs to be used off cool down - that's imprecise or incorrect for two reasons. First, the previous snowcrows build used function gyro, so that's a neutral point. Secondly, on modern scrapper you can simply take another blast source to cover the quickness or slightly increase your concentration.
Practically speaking, this means that you now have the choice of going full DPS or swapping a utility away from pure DPS to obtain a rez utility - like the res signet on guardian, for example.
For real man. Qscrapper change is just unnecessary and painful. If anything, they should keep boon applications to one button like FB and Ren, have all the fun reactive stuff, like aegis/stab/cleanse, be the ones to be difficult to apply. It's "buffed" but so unfun to play.
I don't feel like I need to spam at all now.
I much prefer it after the changes, it's never an issue to keep up Quickness and you have a choice over utility without being locked to filling your bar with Gyros. I had it before but never really clicked with the class till after the change.
Scrapper is really fun open-world, and if you don't worry about Quick gen, it feels way better. I leaned into the Might/Stability loop (all bottom traits in Scrapper) and it feels really good. Immune to knockdowns, extreme might duration, etc
Without easy access to quickness scrapper feels slow and clunky. That's why most people dropped heal scrapper even thought it's still good.
"If you play condi core thief in PvP, you're not a good person" 😂😂😂
Shots fired 🥴
Core Necro Carapace builds can be very fun if you have reliable poison gen. Stack your Toughness to the moon and tank the planet, use other specs purely for damage because Carapace has you covered. Parasitic Contagion in Curses combos super well for a Core Condi Necro.
I finally rolled a Reaper after playing nearly every other spec first (been playing since initial release). I don't really care about which spec is "best" as much as I do it just feeling fun and efficient for my playstyle. With that said, Reaper really is the most fun I've had on a character in both PVE and PVP. It just makes sense.
Did you name your character Grim Reaper? 😆
I find Vindi and Untamed quite fun. - Triple charging Mantra Firebrand on the other hand...
Same. Vindi takes some learning, but it's kind of insane once you get the muscle memory for it. It's not forgiving if you're distracted or tired, but it's nigh-indestructible when played correctly. I often myself the last man standing during a losing boss fight ( in rough fractals and strikes), which goes to show how potent it is.
That being said, once I see a party wipe out, it's usually a signal to me, to switch to the more boring Herald. The boons are just that important sometimes. Slows the run down, but wiping out is even slower.
I think you should do a "fun tier list" now that SotO has been out for a month. See if these choices have changed or if you're still in the same mindset. 😊
Feels like I missed out on something since I am a bladesworn main, but I don't own a katana. In fact, I don't even own black clothes because it's Florida and I don't feel like melting. It also felt better setting up the tiers when I did it as "Mained by Anet devs", "Solid choice", "Fair enough", "Sure, why not...", and "Question life choices".
Looking forward to if you ever do a tier list for LI builds.
I still remember when I suddenly saw a huge number of players just doing events one after other in Snowden drifts. I was a new player and was confused about why there were so many players there, and most of them had a high yellow number next to their names ( I didn't know what the mastery system was yet) but I knew they were high level players.i wanted to join them but was reluctant to cuz it felt like a high level event and i thought there is no way a low level player will be able to deal any significant damage. But I still tried to participate cuz well what can I loose, to see the damage number pop up. It was surprising and it felt good. Everyone completed the event and we got the rewards.
I followed the group for a few more events after that. It was fun and I was hooked.
Looking back, I think it was one of the event completion dailies in that map.
If it was Snowden Drifts it might have also been the Piñata Stampede as part of the Dragonbash festival. Were you killing holographic enemies across the map? Or just doing regular events?
i know its subjective, but this was probably the most unhinged tier list teapot ever did xD
I feel like the key to unlocking the fun of Vindicator is in getting really good at making the best use of their active defense capabilities to be untouchable when it counts. Overall though it does kind of feel like it's a half-baked spec that doesn't fully commit to the design vision of duality that it communicates.
I like Vindicator too I do wish that the defensive stance gave alac though.
It's a great observation that fun GW2 builds tend to have the best in-game sound effects. Scourge is a perfect example of this.
My fun S Tier list:
Open PvE just doing stuff Vindi becasue stuff dies fast and 2 legends gives you a ton of utility even more so on alliance. For harder content cele staff mirage for solo dungeons etc.
Any group content Herald because I am useful and rotations are easy enough.
WvW heal Druid support because I am non stop healing and rooting, for damage staff weaver and roaming Renegade or soulbeast.
Cele Untamed was soooo fun with Fervent Force. I was salty about FF removal so I moved away from the build, but recently I re-built the spec using the new quickness trait and it's still pretty fun. Double axe unleash is so satisfying in open world.
Ofc herald is S tier! I use it for everything, which in my case primarily means PvE and WvW. The few times I do play PvP I bring it as well. I'll never be Goddess of PvP, but I can pull my weight both in terms of support and damage.
Surprised by catalyst placement. I too enjoy semi support builds. Air/water cata, with buffed spheres for quickness and boon duration, with full dps gear is super enjoyable brawler, borderline unkillable, with tons of great boons for the group. And will still dish out very respectible dps. One of my favourites, but, as u said, fun is very much subjective;)
Bladesworn is what got me hooked to GW2. My absolute FAVORITE class. Once you master it, dps is huge. Makes doing fracs ez. Pve content ez. Strikes ez. Even raids ez. I highly recommend to anybody looking to have fun. The learning curve isn't the easiest but it's well worth it.
untamed should have been 2 pets out at once >> kinda make sense, your pets are untamed you cant f1-f5
Agree, Reaper is just too much fun. "I AM DEATH INCARNATE!" spinspinspinspinspin 🙂
Ty for your content and this vid. ❤I play core warrior for map completion on warriors, and it's fun there. Rifle + GS. I hate bladesworn and know almost nothing about it, I like berzi and spellbreaker, but they have almost nothing for fast heart completion (in my mind). Have fun y'all o/
Any thoughts on a cele druid build? Like a axe/wh/shortbow open world and even maybe some instanced content like the old cele fb
How could Catalyst be lower than core Ele when it has an extra button?
I would love for a weapon tier list for each class.
Especially since there's weaponmaster now
Hi Teapot, you sold me on Power Alac Mech a long time ago, and I still love it. I'm surprised it's fallen to B Tier. Like you've said, played well, it offers awesome utility and can pump DPS (especially in a pug). Mechs are amazing PvE generalists - A Tier!
This is the fun tier actually. Power mech gets stale really fast because you only need to press 1 most of the time.
@@sanguin3 Press all the buttons and you'll have more fun? I have a blast playing Alac DPS Mech and blowing stuff up. It's a solid tried-and-true build and effective everywhere.
@@crow_buddy You may enjoy playing power mech, but this is Teapot's tier list. People are allowed to have different opinions.
@@sanguin3 In my opinion, your reply is D tier at best. You can stop trolling now.
Mantras are changed on Firebrand and I can't agree more, it's now S tier fun! It truly rewards players who are active, you have a million buttons which makes you able to respond to really any kind of situation.
Reaper S Tier - I see you are a man of culture as well
Here I was believing the start that this would not be a meme tier list LOL -- FIRE WIZARD
Does Laranity actually like Catalyst... or just hammer? I do agree in part that it's questionable to say Catalyst is just core ele with an extra button and then rate it lower... but I think there is also some justification to that. Catalyst mechanics push some specific playstyles in order to stack those buffs, while core ele gives you more freedom.
Regarding herald - I think I can see the justification behind it being 'wasted potential' tier when talking about the fantasy. Herald is, in terms of theme and fantasy, the closest thing to a 'dragon knight' fantasy, but while it's kinda there in the facet consumes, condition guardians and dagger eles can arguably hit those notes better. They could have gone all-in on the dragon theme with a primary weapon with dragon-themed skills and legend skills that really embrace a "wield the powers of the dragon Glint" fantasy, but while there are a couple of those with some of the facet consumes, on the whole herald's identity (especially now...) feels much more about sweating out boons through semi-passive upkeep skills. You can kind of get there through condi herald, but it's a little sad that that happens because the Mallyx-oriented stuff almost fits the dragon theme as well as the Herald stuff.
I think heal scrapper will be a lot of fun once it gets mace with the expansion. Power quick scrapper does feel a bit weird though..
3:52 "I'm bringing the hammer down" ...was that pun intentional? Bringing the hammer down as in putting the elite specs that use Hammer in the bottom? :D
Guardian greatsword is what finally got me through the base game. Guardian greatsword and hammer are just fun. Any elite spec I can use either of those weapons I'll enjoy.
Actually, you could not be more wrong on Catalyst, in my eyes. I "recently" started to play it with a double daggers, aura oriented, mostly celestial build, and I'm having a lot of fun on pve open world content. I generally enjoy elementalist in pve group content (instancied content), with the tempest spe (mostly as alac healer). But it's been long time since I enjoyed elementalist on random open world content, and my new catalyst build brings me this (maybe because at core, I'm a combo enjoyer since day 1 :D). You just got to get rid of the hammer and go melee with a dagger in each hand. :)
Yeah, I used the level 80 boost from SOTO to make my first Elementalist and I just made her a Catalyst today... and so far? Calling it "Ele but with F skill" is like calling Guild Wars 2 "budget WoW"
When I got 30 Hero Points and took the Catalyst Hammer, I was already able to use it as Core Elementalist because of SOTO. (apparently only one of your characters can speak to the Weaponmaster Training guy and it will unlock for everyone)
Which Im pretty sure Teapot has never experienced when he first played Elementalist back in the day.
I went and got the rest of the Hero Points as Core Ele with Hammer. So by Teapot's logic, I was just Cata without F Skill right?
Nah.
When I got all the traits and skills and put on the Cata spec, there were some f*ckin changes, man. Like holy sh*t.
It feels like Im playing a Rhythm game, but Im both generating and hitting the quick time notes simultaneously.
@@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777 I like your lyrism in the last paragraph. It says a lot about how your build inspires you. :) Glad you found your fun!
funny how everyone - including Teapot - sings CMC's praises but first 3m of the vid and the specs CMC designed go to the bottom of the list. Because he 'devs by the numbers' and doesn't seem to get what makes a build fun. I'm sure he's a great guy, and I don't want to sound like Im attacking him personally but truth is I am not a fan of his work at all. Scrapper was fun, now its not. PAM was fun, now it's not, and that list can go on and on. What the game needs is a regime change, sadly.
needs a regime change and if you voice that opinion anywhere on the game forums you get banned.
i’ve been banned on the forums and downvoted on reddit countless times for saying that cmc needs to either resign from anet or give up on class design. the dude just can’t fucking do it.
I agree with holosmith. It's not the best dps and doesn't offer much support, but the CC is pretty good and it's just a lot of fun. I just stick to power build with 1 kit though, I don't think I could play condi holo well enough to make it worthwhile. Corona burst into photon blitz always feels good.
holosmith is highest dps bench in the game atm
Sure, but it hasn't always been, and that's for condi holo.
Also, every other tier list apart from the "I only play warrior" memes has holo in or near s tier too
What you said about catalyst I think all specs are right now +1 button to core spec. U can go core necro with greatsword and u just have different shroud
Totally agree on the ele specs. Tempest is the only thing I find engaging within reason.
Power weaver is super fun but I prefer tempest.
Mace + Shield core warrior Soldier's build is my build of choice. I'm a soldier and you can't stop me, metaslaves!
Based Power Herald take.
Maybe one day it will come back to PvP, if CMC ever decides to stop giving all the good qol changes to condi rev builds that no one asked for.
As a currently mirage main.. doing condi dps aclarity with a staff.. hell yes , agreed fully xD, currently also trying to do berserker, also agree with scrapper as it was my quite decently played one...but yeah staff/staff mirage, love it, staff cool
I've been having so much fun with willbender lately.
I want to like bladesworn but the way it feels when you're just waiting for it to build while not moving or pressing anything beyond potentially 2 abilities is just not that fun. It looks fun when I watch people play it but it's just not as fun as I thought it would be after playing around with a couple different builds.
Aww untamed is fun in pvp doe, to me the untamed mechanics are super cool and the healing and unleashed autos combod are stronk.
I think you should give intake another try with Soto it’s fun
fun is totally subjective. the video is nice, but ill keep my stuff to myself, i dont agree with you but thats it.
The unkillable leech double axe untamed build is actually very good/fun.
To those who interested in vidicator, don't take this guy seriously absolutely no idea what he's talking about. vindicator is solid A tier if not S tier. It has amazing features, easy condi cleanse, easy stun break for groups, spammable barrier, high dmg numbers and most importantly it's not clunky like warrior. it has an amazing flow, very forgiving dps rotation. tons of gap closers. I've been beating raids and cms with that with such nice sustain and "industry standard" dps numbers. The biggest weakness of the vindi is CC. It's second weakness is it does not offer quickness or alacrity. I'm a warrior main btw, and I don't really feel like I should play with my main since I discovered vindi.
Tried reaper first time yesterday, and I have not logged off since, I completely agree that spec is fun af!
Well now you've convinced me I need to play Catalyst cause I love playing Vindicator...so much fun....Herald is awful....
Reaper and Holosmith with the F5 action bars are gigafun, easily my two favorite specs in the game.
Core Guardian is unironically S-tier fun with SOTO
Harbinger to me would be more fun if the theme was more consistent to me its just weird how its a smash of 3-4 different things that have zero things to do with each other like why why is it a gunslinger alchemist witch hunter/doctor mixed with necromancy who does kung fu but not kung fu really more like martial arts but firing magic green balls from your hands like a anime character.
Gameplay is OK but animations are just weird mix of thousand different things coupled with elixirs that have no animation to speak off and feel really unsatisfying to use.
Pistol i like mostly because i like more technomage type mage than classical mage and i can't wait to have pistol on my elementalist.
OUH and i was wondering why my berserker is suddenly ass and why the arc divider doesnt spin as much anymore
Fire wizard underated due to lightning hammer giving you the apearence of a 700g weapon and having a great donk sound
As a Reaper main, I concur.
Is there a build where you don't need to look at your hotbar 90% of the time?
All of them
MTP puts two elite specs with hammer in D tier, jokes about putting the hammer down. Does that count as a pun?
I am having a blast with Untamed on my Ranger but I only do PVE and no dungeons, raids or pvp content. Everyone is different
Caffinated Dad is going to burst a vessel over this tier list. XD
Condi druid feels so much better to me than condi soulbeast.
lol, "1v4 on harbinger is not fun" -- thanks for this! 19:51
I've not experienced this, but I'm not a super gamer. Me as a button masher Harbi is a sight to behold in WvW. Say boo to me, and I fall down dead 😂😂😂
I was trying other classes and didnt play my reaper for a week and oh my gosh i missed it. Theres just smth about it that i wanna just blast with it
I'm a mesmer main and now they brought back 2 dodges for mirage it is S tier for me. The way you can zip in and out of combat, plopping out clones as you go. Peak mesmer gameplay imo.
My second char is ele I agree with those placements. I know cata is effective I just can't get on with it the combo fields and not sure I like hammer
How dare you say my spec isn’t fun! Is what I would say if I ever get far enough to get a spec
Ayyyyyoooo for Reaper shroud may not always be up but The Fun Mode Shroud is up at all times.
Following statements are purely subjective and there is no need to take it as an attack on you as a person:
Current Weave Self Power Weaver is...okay as far as Weaver rotations go. Only the opening is fun, after that you swap between Fire and Air completely ignoring Water and Earth.
Conjure Fiery Greatsword is on par with Weave Self in my opinion, it suffers from the same problem in that the opening is the only fun part. It's cooler in that you pick up the weapon again as part of the rotation but after that you wait ~120 seconds until it's available again, during which you again swap between Fire and Air ignoring Water and Earth.
Now, the Unravel rotation however is so much fun. Not only does it provide an alternative rotation where you dip into Earth, but it doubles as easy access to full Air for emergency CC when not running Fresh Air. I've never played a more fun dps spec than Unravel Power Weaver, and now they changed Earth 5 to no longer animation lock you so I will start playing this even if it is a DPS loss.
Greiving Tempest in WvW is great if you can dodge and run in a squad. I am regularly top dps using scepter/dagger and dagger/dagger
Hah, I love Vindicator
I think teapot has played this game long enough to not know how fun works anymore. 😂
Is it RP for a necro to be putride ?
The Flameseeker Prophesies were actually about fire wizard
what's more fun though? Power or Condi Holo?
This is funny. I just switched to power untamed for my fractals and I also run it open world. Try a Gyala delve as quickness untamed with axe/horn + axe/axe. Just double unleashed Axe 1 every few seconds. That's a 40k multi target aimbot RANGE cleave. Try it and tell me that's not fun.
Reaper will manage to kill the enemy before bladesworn will swing :)
ik this a month old, and I stopped playing for quite a while, but I mained Holosmith for 160+ hours and whilst it is quite fun at first I think it does fall off a bit. But I think that's a bit universal to all classes that don't do the mot batsh** crazy stuff. I did overheat whilst not paying attention and 160 is my total playtime, but the main mechanic is just stop heat when too hot, not that exciting imo. Guns on 4 are very cool tho. I think going into the game and mixing in more strategy might make the class more fun though, as I was kind of casual.
In my opinion Engineer should get weapon swap in combat. The flip side is if you slot one or more kit utility/heal/elite skill you no longer get weapon swap in combat. I like all kits except health one and the elixir gun or whatever its called. I also like flamethrower in concept, the skills are kinda meh. But especially with the new access to shortbow soonish. I would love to be a scrapper or holo with hammer/shortbow or Sword/shield and shortbow.
Also I personally think Mesmer should be getting MH.pistol and Ele should get Rifle or Longbow.
i personally enjoy tempest a lot, and chrono/ mir aswell
Based on this I think I'm going to go Necromancer next. Either that or Revenant. Can't believe my spellbreaker got a B tho haha.
the truth about this type of video is: you don't watch until the end, you go to the part where TP talks about the build you play and listen to him disagreeing about how boring it is or not, just to confirm your decision or make you create a new character and give up on it and go back to your preferred build LOL
I've moved away from Quickness Scrapper, as I'm usually playing open world and ending up with randoms doing events: I've been having more fun.
Being able to use Function Gyro when and where I want it, has been better than relying on it as a blast finisher to apply consistent Quickness.
Heal vindi was fun until they removed alacrity from centaur tho... and swap out vindi stance for dwarf. It was super op and fun u could carry hard
core warrior with hammer is actually fun
I gonna have to try that
I *love* playing Mesmer in fractals, skipping half of the fractals with my insane utility skills.
Condi Soulbeast has been a riot for me. Axe/Torch is kinda under rated, I prefer it as Dagger/Dagger;Axe/Torch, instead of Dagger/Dagger;Shortbow swaps.
Is this still good? I just started playing again and i have ascended berserker and viper sets plus axes, torch, swords.. just need a dagger but I may have to try Condi out. Power soulbeast has been pretty nuts im out here soloing everything with relative ease but the sword skills are kind of wack to be honest.
core necro enjoyer here: i love my meme build with full grieving, staff and full minions in open world!
What would be now the Most Fun Build with the WeaponPatch? still the same?
24:34 And that's the problem with Berserker: people seem to forget it can use more than just a greatsword. :D I'm not talking about numbers (I've no idea if other weapons bring enough to a group), but you can have fun with weapons other than great sword. The berserker spe even made rifle playable! :D
Fire wizard… you mean charizard, liquizard, dirt wizard and fartizard
Your thief rankings are cracked. Spectre is by far the least fun thief build, it’s not even a thief it’s a slow paced diet necro.
I'd really like to see a teapot's good all around builds that you can use the same gear and mostly same skills in any pvx content.
Vallun did those kind of videos, at least back in the day, I think. Maybe go have a look over there
Vindicator is awesome imo but yeah you are right about GS for it, not a fan.
As a warrior main, I agree with the tierlist of the warrior
Fuck bsworn tho, that shits trash ngl
I know, I know, its a matter of opinion, but you're dead wrong about scrapper. The change to quickness mechanic actually makes it more fun. Gyro, gyro, gyro, gyro over and over again is not fun. Looking out for wells that other players have put down and doing finishers in them, thats fun. Also, in before hammer. Because hammer. And hammer 3 is also fun, just requires situational awareness and an occasional quick switch to a kit to break out of it.
I'm starting to think that you just don't like classes that use Daggers.
@45:56 race: human >> class: warrior
"let's play"