Hey Guys, I just want to respond to a question that a lot of people seem to be bringing up. There is always the criticism about H-D denying claims based on after market parts being used. Several people have brought up the magnuson-moss act which basically makes it illegal for vehicle manufacturers to force consumers into buying only OEM parts by doing things like voiding warranty coverage. This isn't the case with the aftermarket tuners. On August 18th, 2016 the EPA came down hard on Harley-Davidson. As part of the settlement, Harley-Davidson is required to not honor the warranty on the powertrain on 2017 and later models that have been tuned by a non-EPA compliant tuner. The definition of the powertrain in this instance pertains to the engine and all of its components, including the ECM (Engine Control Module), primary drive and transmission including all of its components. If H-D is made aware in any way, that a bike 2017 M.Y. and later has been tuned with an aftermarket tuner, the VIN will be blocked from powertrain warranty claims. So, I know people want to give H-D the bad rap but really it's the federal government forcing H-D's hand in a lot of these cases when it involves aftermarket tuners. H-D spends a lot of time and money getting their tuners etc EPA certified for a reason. If you HAVE to run a full aftermarket exhaust system or an after market header pipe that requires a tuner my advice is to USE THE HARLEY DAVIDSON PRO STREET TUNER AND AUTO TUNER COMBINATION. This doesn't guarantee against warranty claims being declined but if you have an after market tuner you are for sure gonna be denied.
Nice update. People need to be informed about what the motor company HAS to adhere to concerning laws, and in turn they have to be accountable to those laws, even it adversely affect the customers. Tough pill of truth to swallow for consumers regardless if it's HD or a Chevy truck.
This exhaust concerns is missing 1 thing: you need an honest dealership to buy from and mod your bike with ! Unfortunately there aren't many honest dealerships out there like Laidlaw dealership with honest employees - honesty depends on the employees and since this industry has high turn over of employees, sometimes a bad bunch of workers will come in and destroy your trust (hence we no longer buy Harleys).
If you mod your exhaust and or retune with either a genuine or non genuine tuner, your warranty is automatically voided (in Australia) - trust me i know I've been through it (EPA Law) ! My warranty was voided because i installed after market quiet baffles from Vance and Hines on a stage 5 modded HD Breakout ! Techinically it was my own stupid fault but i wished the dealership would have helped me out since i bought 6 brand new Harleys and 1 brand new Ducati Panigale 1299 off them - i couldn't get the dealership to back me up because I'm too ugly and not famous enough for HD head office to jump in.
The first thing I did to my 2021 Tri Glide was have the dealer remove the exhaust from the engine back. I had them put on the American Custom exhaust which omits the cat converter. I am running mufflers with nothing in them modified by American Custom. I do have a 4 inch baffle in each muffler to give it some back pressure and tone down the noise which was loud. The Dealer installed a SE air box with my stock cover and the HD tuner. It runs like a champ with plenty of power and not fear as much HEAT. Still has total warrantee. The dealer told me they can not remove the Cat but they can install custom exhaust with the cat removed.
I have a 2019 114 Breakout with stage 3 performance. I put screaming eagle mufflers on it from the initial purchase and I was pretty disappointed with the exhaust note and volume. Not much different to stock. Now I have the the 3.5" Rinehart mufflers and the sound is incredible! Still running the stock headers. Very happy now. This is in Australia
@@gabrielfernandez566 hey mate, you might have to check this but I'm pretty sure that anything from 17 and earlier will not fit on the 18-19 softails. I ordered mine through my local Harley dealer
Running the screaming eagle high flow performance exhaust with the stage 2 torque cams on my FLHTK...2018...great sound and a significant bump in performance,no regrets ...keep up the good Job bro ..cheers
Good video. You are absolutely correct about the back pressure on the new M8. My 2020 Street Glide warranty will expire soon so I did a Stage 2 with a full exhaust using Reinhart DBX 45 that the previous owner had put on. We did a Woods 22 xe cam and a Jackpot 2-1-2 header. It sounded great but there was no low end torque. It had less torque than stock. I saw a few others on You tube with the same problem and I had to put in Fuel Moto inserts into the mufflers to get the back pressure needed for the low end torque to come back. It now runs really well with good torque and hp. What is your opinion of stage 2? Is it worth the money? I have now added a Man-O-War compensator and a Screaming Eagle clutch plates with an Aim variable pressure clutch. I also did a Rekluse slave cylinder because of the friction zone and the harder pull and finally I feel pretty good about it. My wife and love watching your video's especially the travel ones. We live in Utah close to Park City. The Zion and Glacier National Park videos are my favorite. I spent 2 years in So Cal (on a mission) and I would like to someday come by your dealership. Thanks for all you do!
I run Rinehart over all the others due to quality ,looks,sound and most importantly let’s mention “lifetime warranty “no one else does it.V&H offers only one year
Royal T racing exhaust, shorty bagger version. Stage 4 Screamin Eagle Milwaukee 8 with the Harley tuner. Can't wait till my warranty is over so I can get a different tuner and see what it can really do. Pipe is loud but not obnoxious, has a tuned sound to it.
@@soorajsaikumar Neighbor Haters sound pretty awesome on the M8 Softail, and M8 Touring bikes. Very angry and aggressive sounding. When I get my Fat Boy, it's the slip on's im going with.
When Jamie built his Heritage with the stage 3 engine kit.....I absolutely LOVED the way the Tab mufflers sounded. I ended up putting them on my 18 FatBoy with the stage 2 horsepower cam. Thanks Matt!
Good info thanks. I put Sampson street sweepers years ago on my Fatboy and some fishtail slipons on my ultra. Love the sound on both and honestly performance isn’t my top care. Look, sound and ride experience are.
I'm getting my motorcycle license and will be purchasing a new Fat Bob. You do a great job, Matt. I really like the Orange 2020 Fat Bob. I have my two-day class here in Corona next month in May.
I just bought 2021 Fatboy in California. If I learned correctly that on any softtails on Harley lineup, I am not allowed to replace the stock exhaust to any aftermarkets? It would be illegal?
So my question is this. I see you guys do builds with aftermarket exhausts. I've been trynna do a club style build on my fxdls. Fairing, tbars, and 2-1 tbr pipes. Can I go to you guys for this or will you guys deny installing the pipes for me?
Great video! Thanks for the info. I have a 2018 Ultra Limited and just installed Rineharts 4.5" Motopro 45 slipons and love them! They sound great and look good also. I've heard others with the Milwaukee 8 that have replaced the head pipe and I personally don't care for the sound as well as just the slipons.
That's a difficult topic to cover without putting your company at risk of criticism for brand specific favoritism. I feel you did a good job avoiding those situations and I could tell you thought about the wording carefully. Great job!!
2019 FXLR, Current update. Love the sound and ride. Ukes Harley Davidson Dealer, Kenosha Wi. 97.15 HP - Stock HP 78 - 24.4398% increase in HP 104.98 Torque - Stock Torque 72 - 37.2697% increase in Torque Screamin’ Eagle Round High-Flow Air Cleaner - Center Bolt Screamin' Eagle Street Cannon Mufflers - Long Screamin' Eagle Pro Street Tuner Screamin' Eagle Smart Tune PRO Automatic Tuning Module Screamin' Eagle Extreme-Flow 55MM Intake Manifold Screamin' Eagle Milwaukee-Eight Stage II - Torque Kit
Thank you, if any human just bought any HD motorcycle this pertains to you refreshing your memory on a thorough explanation from proven dealership point of view.
Matt, could you put Rinehart 2-1 for M8 softails in your list of reviewable exhausts? I want to get that for my 2018 Sport Glide, but can not find anything about that. Thanks 🙏
I want to hear some thundercone slip on mufflers for m8. This is a great idea for a series. I spend a lot of time trying to find good audio clips of exhaust. Thanks for all the different kinds of videos. Keep up the good work Matt. 👍
Dude RUclips SVT Boneshakers They Are Nasty,...You'll Love Um, Haven't Been Around That Long But They're Unbelievable, Megaphone Design or Whatever....Just Nasty
I bought a 2021 RK Standard in October and bought the ESP as well, which makes me a warranty coward, haha. My wife agreed to let me do a Stage 2 (which is in the works now- albeit outside the 60 days). I’m sticking with all Screamin Eagle parts- even the slip-ons. This was great feedback and context - appreciate the content, Matt!
So, if I get V&H full exhaust system, but keep stock air cleaner, you’re saying the warranty is voided for the exhaust system the whole tubes and kabootle, or exhaust system and trumpet shaped exhaust valves?
Great info, especially about needing some amount of back-pressure to keep the low end torque the Harley engines put out. Not sure people realize that changing the engine makeup (Stage Kits) will change how the bike should be ridden. I’m keeping my 2019 Street Glide Special in the stock configuration...I’d rather put the money into the Stereo system 😎
You look a little tired brother. Haven’t been watching every video like I was a year 1/2 ago, but still love your advice and input all the same. Take care man.
THANK YOU Matt....I just bought a new 2019 Road Glide and have been getting very unclear info about this subject....THANK U for ALL your great videos....keep them coming....
Found it weird when I bought my 17 FXDLS that the dealership said stage 1 download was standard from the factory, guessing because of the heavy breather from the factory? Had a bassani installed and they went to do the download and they said it was already done and cut me a check for a refund. They said I wasnt getting the most out of the pipe but they said with the stage 1 download I was safe from burning the engine up. What's your thoughts?
I loved the Screamin’ Eagle Slip-ons on my otherwise stock 2014 Street Glide. It had a nice grunt to it without being obnoxious like my old 2010 Super Glide with a Vance & Hines Short Shots full exhaust system. My ears are still ringing from that one. LOL!! I can’t wait to get the Screamin’ Eagle Slip-Ons on my 2021 Low Rider S. The 14” apes and forward controls are going to make my bike just the way I want it. Anyone who needs more than 114 cubic inch is crazy. I respect this bike’s spirit. She’s got far more power than I need. But, I do like to give ‘er every now and then.
That's good to know. I was looking at some Vance & Hines slips on just to increase the sound and wasn't sure if I also needed a tuner. But good to know I won't as long I keep the stock airfilter. Plus won't affect the warranty.
Good information 👍 I just bought my first harley a 2021 Street Bob and would like a louder muffler but not like you said obnoxiously loud all the time, just when you want it to be. I also prefer NOT to have the pop and crackle. What would you recommend for me and if i just change the muffler would that require a retune and another air filter? Oh I'm in New Jersey so not worried about California regulations. Updates: Does replacing the slip on muffler still use the stock black exhaust shield? I asked a local dealer about warranty issues and was told you can replace entire exhaust and as long as harleys screaming eagle tuner is used it won't void the warranty, is that true? I narrowed it down to 3 options of 3" replacement slip on mufflers based on listening to them online with my same motor. I'm not sure if I use stock heat shield with any of these do you? I like the black with chrome tip look i have now. Vances & Hines Eliminator $430 Vance & Hines Twin Slash $350 Cobra Neighbor Hater $350 Also any clue why the Eliminator cost so much more? Thanks!
I have a 18 gunship Cvo. Can I modify my self like with the full sac internals to get better sound. Have you had any experience with them? And one thing you didn’t mention about the cat. If you aren’t in California, can you remove your cat to get better sound and possibly retune
Good video. This solidified my hesitation of only using my Rinehart mufflers without the Rinehart header on my new Road Glide that I took off my street glide I traded in. Is there anyway to purchase just the screamin eagle head pipes? All I see is having to purchase the entire screamin eagle exhaust system on Harleys website, but I love my Rinehart mufflers too much to give them up. If not, buying a high flow air cleaner and another new pro street tuner probably isn't worth it until my warranty is up.
So if I do a stage 4 on a new Milwaukee 8 would it be better to go with the auto tuner or stick with the pro street that is supplied ? Good video would defiantly like to see more on this subject. Would also like for you to do more of the side by side comparisons between models that you started last year. Keep the rubber on the road !
Matt, great info as always, I have a 2018 fxbrs, 600 miles I installed an fp3 and short shots, if I reset my ecm back to factory spec and install my factory header with slip ones, will my warranty still be void?
That’s a good question. Have you been to a dealer since you’ve had your FP3 installed. If they hooked it up to the digital technician then you’re voided probably. Once you’re voided then you always will be. If you haven’t then I think if you go back to stock then there is a chance you’ll be okay
I really like your videos & your advices along with your extensive knowledge on Harley Davidson. I just wish you ran a dealer near me. I got my 2020 Low Rider S after watching your first review of it over a year ago. I find myself (when I do find extra time) going back & watching any videos of your past. Keep keeping it Real, & Thanks for your advice 🌾🤙
Hey mate thanks for the heads up on pipes. I have a question, I’ve purchased a new 2020 Softail slim and looking for a new V&H slip ons. Which do u recommend? And just adding a slip on does that affect the engine or is it fine. Cheers
I want to put an Air Cleaner and a TBR 2 into 1 exhaust and install them myself, if I get the Screamin Eagle tuner and have the dealership install and tune (stage 1) the bike would that still void my warranty? Down the road I’ll be putting in a stage 2 torque cam and let my local dealership install that. Basically I just want to install my Air Cleaner and TBR exhaust, that’s all. I don’t really understand why we, the customer cannot install parts like this on our bikes without Harley voiding our warranty.
Great information Matt. I went with the Stage I Screamin Eagle but I included the full Screamin Eagle exhaust. I couldn’t see the rational in having two catalytic converters; one in the OEM exhaust and one in the Scream Eagle mufflers. I used the HD Pro-Street Tuner to tune my HD Street Glide after I installed the parts.
Does removing the cat from the stock header affect the warranty. I understand that it would no longer be compliant in the state of California but does it affect the warranty?
Matt, with the softails having their catalytic converters in the mufflers, do you HAVE TO use a tuner or will the engine computer compensate for new slipons that do not have cats?
I finally took a ride on a 2021 Road king last week was not happy with the sound, so stage-1 screaming eagle slip-on to get more sound and keep it in warranty. I am gonna wait till I can hear the difference between full systems and slip-on with the Milwaukee 8. Not a lot of new bikes with pipes Because when I buy there are several things that need changing apes, seat, chrome forks, a windshield. I was cramped up on the bike, I am 5'11" 200. Without the Harley sound, it would be like buying Honda? lol thanks for the info.
Great job very informative I have Arlen ness mega flow on my sportster sound is great and stock on my 18 street glide sound is perfect for me thanks again Matt very well done👍
i just put Cobra RPT slip ons on my 2020 Softail Standard, much throatier sound, but should i be concerned, at Idle, when i put my hand at the exhaust, i feel a litter more air coming out of one of the 2 slip ons? As where when i had the stock, the air flow was the same
From where should I buy the vance and hines exhaust Motofever or somewhere else. I don't know much about all these but I have heard about Motofever from many people. Please suggest me
Jayvie Erol Lizardo, MBA, FPC I used the screamin’ eagle tuner and air intake and had the dealer do it for a stage 1. The reason is it documents that the bike is in compliance.
May be a stupid question but i haven’t found the answer yet. When buying a new Harley can most dealerships order, for example, pair of slip ons and install them for you?
Reinhart was for me. Nice low sound at idle without being obnoxious as well as general riding has what I fell is classic sound. Yes it comes alive when I give it the beans. I’ve placed the stage IV with this and it runs like a champ. While the warranty is nice piece of mind I feel I bought a quality product and it will far surpass the warranty. So glad I don’t live in Nazi-fornia and can do as I wish with what I own. 18 Streetglide anniversary
Excellent video content. You speak well and garner confidence. Corporate needs to recruit you. Some real good points were covered. I learned a lot on this one. you are ok for a West Coast guy. (Florida guy here) take care. - hope to get by your dealership one day.
I did 3" DNA slip ons for my '20 883 Iron. Sounded absolutely awesome, BUT I could tell there's something going on with acceleration in initial loss of power and then it picks back up. Do I need to just add a thumb washer for back pressure or do I need to spend $400 on a street tune? No change to intake or header pipes.
Awesome video Big fan of what you do Cheers from New Zealand. Mines a 2018 Heritage classic 114 stage 3 V&H Propipe 2 into 1. No Californian laws over here. I Bought it based on your review awesome bike its not great going slow tho cam is very lumpy maybe a video of wat cams do and whats best for M8 upgrades?
I have crusher maverick slip ons made by kuryakyn on my sporty with the air cleaner and fp3 tuner and it sounds great and just as loud as my bros complete v&h short shots also with stage 1. As far as power i definitely got more pulling off the line with this setup compared to stock. But at the end of the day its still an iron 883. But for the money its definitely the 1st upgrade i would do to any harley i ever get. That's the complete stage 1, even tho i don't have headers i honestly can't tell a difference between mine and my bros iron 883 with full exhaust. Im sure there might be a small difference in power on a dyno but i doubt you'll feel it when going from one bike to the other.
The dealer I got my 19 FLTRXS from installed SE 1 with Rhineharts before I even saw my bike. I have the tuner module that they used. My question is the exhaust sounds good but I'd like a little more presence in sound. Not sure the model they installed but they're all black with what looks like a polished aluminum inner tip.
I have a 2019 roadking with stage 1 and ss mufflers sounds great to me its Touring bike not a hot rod and same set up on my 2019 Standard el glide a on my 19 street bob Stage one with ss mufflers its not loud not about the show off or try to impress anyone on my bikes ony bike i have with a Different exhaust is a 2005 soft L Deluxe with 21" apes And short shots Exhaust system I've had a lot of bikes in my time in I never try to impress anyone with loud exhaust or mufflers are trying I'll do anyone I just out to ride and have a good time
Great video Matt! One question you mentioned that the new softail’s have the cat built into the mufflers so if you change the mufflers out would it be like a true 2 into 2 exhaust with no cat and you don’t need to purchase a header pipe?
I had an old 84 FXEF Super Glide and during one of our rides, a friend knocked out the baffle. (Just put a crowbar inside and knocked a hole in it) Nice increase in sound, but it changed my RPM. I now have a 2017 Softail Deluxe. Would that work on a 103? If so, what else would be needed?
Great informative video. I have a '19 Sport Glide w/ Stage III & SE Street Cannon muffler. For me it covered all the bases, WARRANTEE - first! The Motor Company did a good job with the SE Street Cannon muffler. It has a good sound in all ranges. Besides the warrantee I wanted an exhaust note that I could live with on a long ride and around town. As others have said, good information while staying neutral.
Hey Bro, I Got A Question 4 You, This Is The First Time I'm Hearing About Loosing Power Off The Line on The New M8 Motors When Changing Exhausts, My Question 2 You Is I Have A 2018 Harley Davidson Street Glide Special FLHXS...This Is Not My First Harley I'm Actually 42 And Have Been Riding Since I Was 21, Now I'm Gonna Wait 4 My Warranty 2 Run Out B4 I Start Doing What I Really Want 2 Do 2 Her And I Was Just Wondering If You Have Ever Heard Of SVT Boneshakers Exhaust + I'm Also Going 2 Be Putting On A Set Of RCX Tourmenter Headers That Have The Cat Delete But They Also Have A Crossover That's Supposed To Create The Right Amount Of Back pressure And Along With That I Was Thinking Of Getting Either A Zippers Cam Or An S&S Cam, Sorry But I've Had A Bunch Of Screaming Eagle Parts On My 08 Street Bob And I Really Wasn't That Impressed With The Performance, The Zippers Cam Did Way Better On The Dyno, And The SVT Boneshakers Are Earth Rumbling Throughout The RPM Range...You Should Check Them Out, They Are NASTY Bro. Oh And BTW I'm Also Going 2 Add An Arlen Ness Big Sucker Air Breather And A Vance&Hines FP-3 Fuel Pack, And Along With The App 4 The V&H FP-3 It's Just Way Superior To The Screaming Eagle Tuner, So...Any Thoughts on The Cam... And I'll Take All Advice From Anyone Who Would Like 2 Lend They're Thoughts, Keep The Videos Coming Brother And I Hope 2 Hear From You Or Anyone With Any Thoughts,... Have A Great Day Everyone
Matt, I'm surprised you didn't mention decibels. Traditionally Harley has had to stay under 80 dB because of the law, but after market pipes have exceeded that with the disclaimer that they are only legal for off road use.. The after market exhausts that you mentioned which are certified in California can't exceed 80DB also then, right?
Hi Matt, I am not a resident of Commiefornia. I am looking to make a stage one on a 2019 Heritage 114 worthwhile (where I actually squeeze 8-10 horse out of it). Is that possible with the SE Pro Street tuner, the smart tuner and having the dealership Dyno the bike???? I am looking to the Reinhart slip on's and the SE air cleaner that has the filter that also sucks from the flat side in addition to the circumference
That’s a good combo, the bike will run great. I might be Installing the auto tuner soon and doing a video. I don’t know how much power exactly you’ll get but that’s around the ball park. The dealer won’t even need to dyno it. HD just has “canned” settings. Then the auto tuner will then take readings and adjust
@@MattLaidlaw Good to know it might work. I never see the specific SE air cleaner I mentioned, except in the catalog. I hope it will breathe like I want and not create a vacuum with the air blowing past it. I know volume-metric efficiency with the intake and the exhaust is the key to optimize what it there with out adding a cam etc...
Do you have to go to a Harley work shop to fit the screaming eagle parts pipes etc or can you go to other register mechanic to fit the parts as I friend of mine has his own shop was the head mechanic for harley for years also harley still contact him for advice
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KnN. Carbureted intake , SE baffles ( 40.00 ) instead of 600.00 exhaust. Put money on set of mild cams (300.00)
Thanks for the info Matt...sorry if you already answered ...a 2017 RK ..I have stage one with V&H slip-ons. If I remove the CAT from the Head pipe it would negatively affect my warranty?
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That gaff is a hell hole.Seems to be the place where the scum bring their bs laws first.
Hey Guys, I just want to respond to a question that a lot of people seem to be bringing up. There is always the criticism about H-D denying claims based on after market parts being used. Several people have brought up the magnuson-moss act which basically makes it illegal for vehicle manufacturers to force consumers into buying only OEM parts by doing things like voiding warranty coverage. This isn't the case with the aftermarket tuners. On August 18th, 2016 the EPA came down hard on Harley-Davidson. As part of the settlement, Harley-Davidson is required to not honor the warranty on the powertrain on 2017 and later models that have been tuned by a non-EPA compliant tuner. The definition of the powertrain in this instance pertains to the engine and all of its components, including the ECM (Engine Control Module), primary drive and transmission including all of its components. If H-D is made aware in any way, that a bike 2017 M.Y. and later has been tuned with an aftermarket tuner, the VIN will be blocked from powertrain warranty claims.
So, I know people want to give H-D the bad rap but really it's the federal government forcing H-D's hand in a lot of these cases when it involves aftermarket tuners. H-D spends a lot of time and money getting their tuners etc EPA certified for a reason. If you HAVE to run a full aftermarket exhaust system or an after market header pipe that requires a tuner my advice is to USE THE HARLEY DAVIDSON PRO STREET TUNER AND AUTO TUNER COMBINATION. This doesn't guarantee against warranty claims being declined but if you have an after market tuner you are for sure gonna be denied.
Nice update. People need to be informed about what the motor company HAS to adhere to concerning laws, and in turn they have to be accountable to those laws, even it adversely affect the customers. Tough pill of truth to swallow for consumers regardless if it's HD or a Chevy truck.
This exhaust concerns is missing 1 thing: you need an honest dealership to buy from and mod your bike with !
Unfortunately there aren't many honest dealerships out there like Laidlaw dealership with honest employees - honesty depends on the employees and since this industry has high turn over of employees, sometimes a bad bunch of workers will come in and destroy your trust (hence we no longer buy Harleys).
If you mod your exhaust and or retune with either a genuine or non genuine tuner, your warranty is automatically voided (in Australia) - trust me i know I've been through it (EPA Law) ! My warranty was voided because i installed after market quiet baffles from Vance and Hines on a stage 5 modded HD Breakout !
Techinically it was my own stupid fault but i wished the dealership would have helped me out since i bought 6 brand new Harleys and 1 brand new Ducati Panigale 1299 off them - i couldn't get the dealership to back me up because I'm too ugly and not famous enough for HD head office to jump in.
Matt Laidlaw will this also void recalls?
@@duke9173 Nothing can nullify a recall as far as I know.
The first thing I did to my 2021 Tri Glide was have the dealer remove the exhaust from the engine back. I had them put on the American Custom exhaust which omits the cat converter. I am running mufflers with nothing in them modified by American Custom. I do have a 4 inch baffle in each muffler to give it some back pressure and tone down the noise which was loud. The Dealer installed a SE air box with my stock cover and the HD tuner. It runs like a champ with plenty of power and not fear as much HEAT. Still has total warrantee. The dealer told me they can not remove the Cat but they can install custom exhaust with the cat removed.
I have a 2019 114 Breakout with stage 3 performance. I put screaming eagle mufflers on it from the initial purchase and I was pretty disappointed with the exhaust note and volume. Not much different to stock. Now I have the the 3.5" Rinehart mufflers and the sound is incredible! Still running the stock headers. Very happy now. This is in Australia
brusa81 I was looking for those on the rinehart site, I’m assuming the 2017 BO pipes fit a 2018/19 correct?
@@gabrielfernandez566 hey mate, you might have to check this but I'm pretty sure that anything from 17 and earlier will not fit on the 18-19 softails. I ordered mine through my local Harley dealer
A side by side comparison of a good number of exhausts would be very nice Matt! Great job🙏🏼
Just put on a Stage 1 upgrade with SE Streetcannons and removable dampeners. Sounds great and no issues👍
Running the screaming eagle high flow performance exhaust with the stage 2 torque cams on my FLHTK...2018...great sound and a significant bump in performance,no regrets ...keep up the good Job bro ..cheers
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Good video. You are absolutely correct about the back pressure on the new M8. My 2020 Street Glide warranty will expire soon so I did a Stage 2 with a full exhaust using Reinhart DBX 45 that the previous owner had put on. We did a Woods 22 xe cam and a Jackpot 2-1-2 header. It sounded great but there was no low end torque. It had less torque than stock. I saw a few others on You tube with the same problem and I had to put in Fuel Moto inserts into the mufflers to get the back pressure needed for the low end torque to come back. It now runs really well with good torque and hp. What is your opinion of stage 2?
Is it worth the money? I have now added a Man-O-War compensator and a Screaming Eagle clutch plates with an Aim variable pressure clutch. I also did a Rekluse slave cylinder because of the friction zone and the harder pull and finally I feel pretty good about it. My wife and love watching your video's especially the travel ones. We live in Utah close to Park City. The Zion and Glacier National Park videos are my favorite. I spent 2 years in So Cal (on a mission) and I would like to someday come by your dealership. Thanks for all you do!
Always informative vids..thanks man great stuff
Good video. Looking forward to hearing comparisons with a bunch of different exhausts. Thanks.
Harley Davidson is getting stricter on exhaust systems accepted by your extended warranty, Thanks , Matt for addressing the issue...
This is great! Just picked up my 2020 sgs. Had V&H on my Night rod but didn’t want anything that loud. Thx.
Very informative and developed in content structure! Your the only one who touched this topic, Thank You!!! Make America Great Again!!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I run Rinehart over all the others due to quality ,looks,sound and most importantly let’s mention “lifetime warranty “no one else does it.V&H offers only one year
I was looking at Rineharts but saw folks online complaining of baffle or something coming loose and causing a rattle.
What’s going to possibly happen to metal pipes?
gghostrrider I’ve got cobra 909s and they came with the same lifetime warranty
Royal T racing exhaust, shorty bagger version. Stage 4 Screamin Eagle Milwaukee 8 with the Harley tuner. Can't wait till my warranty is over so I can get a different tuner and see what it can really do. Pipe is loud but not obnoxious, has a tuned sound to it.
Make sure you feature Cobra Neighbor Haters for M8 Softail and Touring. They sound AWESOME. They're my favorite exhaust note for a Harley.
Cobra exhaust that good??
@@soorajsaikumar Neighbor Haters sound pretty awesome on the M8 Softail, and M8 Touring bikes. Very angry and aggressive sounding.
When I get my Fat Boy, it's the slip on's im going with.
I installed these on my friends 19 street bob. They sound awesome
Very underrated slip on. Great aggresive sound.
@@soorajsaikumar I love my cobra pipe
When Jamie built his Heritage with the stage 3 engine kit.....I absolutely LOVED the way the Tab mufflers sounded. I ended up putting them on my 18 FatBoy with the stage 2 horsepower cam.
Thanks Matt!
Good info thanks. I put Sampson street sweepers years ago on my Fatboy and some fishtail slipons on my ultra. Love the sound on both and honestly performance isn’t my top care. Look, sound and ride experience are.
Great comprehensive vid Matt, you covered the bases pretty well. It’s a shame there has to be so many regs these days.
Appreciate it if you can do a review on exhausts for twin cam touring. My warranty expires the end of 2020, so no big rush on that video.
I'm getting my motorcycle license and will be purchasing a new Fat Bob. You do a great job, Matt. I really like the Orange 2020 Fat Bob. I have my two-day class here in Corona next month in May.
I just bought 2021 Fatboy in California. If I learned correctly that on any softtails on Harley lineup, I am not allowed to replace the stock exhaust to any aftermarkets? It would be illegal?
So my question is this. I see you guys do builds with aftermarket exhausts. I've been trynna do a club style build on my fxdls. Fairing, tbars, and 2-1 tbr pipes. Can I go to you guys for this or will you guys deny installing the pipes for me?
Give us a ring tomorrow after we open at 9 am. 626-851-0412. Ask for Nick or use my extension, 1239.
I've got them on my fxdls and I'm really happy with them. I felt the performance difference straight away and they sound great too👍
Hello, what is the best configuration: standard baffle or QUIET baffles in stage 1?
Great video! Thanks for the info. I have a 2018 Ultra Limited and just installed Rineharts 4.5" Motopro 45 slipons and love them! They sound great and look good also. I've heard others with the Milwaukee 8 that have replaced the head pipe and I personally don't care for the sound as well as just the slipons.
Obout how much
That's a difficult topic to cover without putting your company at risk of criticism for brand specific favoritism. I feel you did a good job avoiding those situations and I could tell you thought about the wording carefully. Great job!!
Thanks man
2019 FXLR, Current update. Love the sound and ride. Ukes Harley Davidson Dealer, Kenosha Wi.
97.15 HP - Stock HP 78 - 24.4398% increase in HP
104.98 Torque - Stock Torque 72 - 37.2697% increase in Torque
Screamin’ Eagle Round High-Flow Air Cleaner - Center Bolt
Screamin' Eagle Street Cannon Mufflers - Long
Screamin' Eagle Pro Street Tuner
Screamin' Eagle Smart Tune PRO Automatic Tuning Module
Screamin' Eagle Extreme-Flow 55MM Intake Manifold
Screamin' Eagle Milwaukee-Eight Stage II - Torque Kit
Love the V&H Big Radius on my 19. Breakout
Also I had Harley Stage 1 it before I took delivery so it would be covered.
How’s the performance and sound?
Thank you, if any human just bought any HD motorcycle this pertains to you refreshing your memory on a thorough explanation from proven dealership point of view.
Matt, could you put Rinehart 2-1 for M8 softails in your list of reviewable exhausts?
I want to get that for my 2018 Sport Glide, but can not find anything about that.
Thanks 🙏
You Should Check Out The SVT Boneshakers Exhausts.....Super Bad Ass
I want to hear some thundercone slip on mufflers for m8.
This is a great idea for a series. I spend a lot of time trying to find good audio clips of exhaust.
Thanks for all the different kinds of videos. Keep up the good work Matt. 👍
Dude RUclips SVT Boneshakers They Are Nasty,...You'll Love Um, Haven't Been Around That Long But They're Unbelievable, Megaphone Design or Whatever....Just Nasty
And EastEndMotorSports Has A Bunch of Different Packages 4 Them
I bought a 2021 RK Standard in October and bought the ESP as well, which makes me a warranty coward, haha. My wife agreed to let me do a Stage 2 (which is in the works now- albeit outside the 60 days). I’m sticking with all Screamin Eagle parts- even the slip-ons. This was great feedback and context - appreciate the content, Matt!
Helpful video. Cant wait to get my exhaust system set up here 🤓
Thanks for the video, Matt. Very straightforward and informative.👍🏼
So, if I get V&H full exhaust system, but keep stock air cleaner, you’re saying the warranty is voided for the exhaust system the whole tubes and kabootle, or exhaust system and trumpet shaped exhaust valves?
Can I put an exhaust on my bike day 1 or do I have to break it in first? 500 miles?
Great info, especially about needing some amount of back-pressure to keep the low end torque the Harley engines put out. Not sure people realize that changing the engine makeup (Stage Kits) will change how the bike should be ridden. I’m keeping my 2019 Street Glide Special in the stock configuration...I’d rather put the money into the Stereo system 😎
Thanks for the comment 👍🏻👍🏻 we all have different priorities.
I know I’m late but I just got my 2021 street bob and this is great information!! Thanks
You look a little tired brother. Haven’t been watching every video like I was a year 1/2 ago, but still love your advice and input all the same. Take care man.
THANK YOU Matt....I just bought a new 2019 Road Glide and have been getting very unclear info about this subject....THANK U for ALL your great videos....keep them coming....
Found it weird when I bought my 17 FXDLS that the dealership said stage 1 download was standard from the factory, guessing because of the heavy breather from the factory? Had a bassani installed and they went to do the download and they said it was already done and cut me a check for a refund. They said I wasnt getting the most out of the pipe but they said with the stage 1 download I was safe from burning the engine up. What's your thoughts?
I loved the Screamin’ Eagle Slip-ons on my otherwise stock 2014 Street Glide. It had a nice grunt to it without being obnoxious like my old 2010 Super Glide with a Vance & Hines Short Shots full exhaust system. My ears are still ringing from that one. LOL!! I can’t wait to get the Screamin’ Eagle Slip-Ons on my 2021 Low Rider S. The 14” apes and forward controls are going to make my bike just the way I want it. Anyone who needs more than 114 cubic inch is crazy. I respect this bike’s spirit. She’s got far more power than I need. But, I do like to give ‘er every now and then.
Is there a difference between a Canadian stock exhaust compared to a USA Harley Davidson exhaust ?
Not that I know of. No
That's good to know. I was looking at some Vance & Hines slips on just to increase the sound and wasn't sure if I also needed a tuner. But good to know I won't as long I keep the stock airfilter. Plus won't affect the warranty.
Just bought a Fab Bob 2020 and I was wondering about the mechanical mods and warranties, very informative video, thank you!
My 2018 1200 Custom. Has Firebrand Loose Cannon, Arlen Ness stage 1 intake. And a V&H FP3 map. Almost popped a wheelie going into 5th at 70 mph.
i have flat black cobra slip ons and they are stained really bad...any advice on how to clean them without having to bake on a new ceramic coating?
Good information 👍 I just bought my first harley a 2021 Street Bob and would like a louder muffler but not like you said obnoxiously loud all the time, just when you want it to be. I also prefer NOT to have the pop and crackle. What would you recommend for me and if i just change the muffler would that require a retune and another air filter?
Oh I'm in New Jersey so not worried about California regulations.
Updates:
Does replacing the slip on muffler still use the stock black exhaust shield?
I asked a local dealer about warranty issues and was told you can replace entire exhaust and as long as harleys screaming eagle tuner is used it won't void the warranty, is that true?
I narrowed it down to 3 options of 3" replacement slip on mufflers based on listening to them online with my same motor. I'm not sure if I use stock heat shield with any of these do you? I like the black with chrome tip look i have now.
Vances & Hines Eliminator $430
Vance & Hines Twin Slash $350
Cobra Neighbor Hater $350
Also any clue why the Eliminator cost so much more?
Thanks!
Informative thank you!
I have a 18 gunship Cvo. Can I modify my self like with the full sac internals to get better sound. Have you had any experience with them? And one thing you didn’t mention about the cat. If you aren’t in California, can you remove your cat to get better sound and possibly retune
Carnal, thank you for taking the time to explain this topic.
Good video. This solidified my hesitation of only using my Rinehart mufflers without the Rinehart header on my new Road Glide that I took off my street glide I traded in. Is there anyway to purchase just the screamin eagle head pipes? All I see is having to purchase the entire screamin eagle exhaust system on Harleys website, but I love my Rinehart mufflers too much to give them up. If not, buying a high flow air cleaner and another new pro street tuner probably isn't worth it until my warranty is up.
You should make a video about harleys warranty. What is covered and what isn’t and what voids it
John Maxwell did a good video on that, a lot of the time your dealer will help you out when you spend money there over another dealer
So if I do a stage 4 on a new Milwaukee 8 would it be better to go with the auto tuner or stick with the pro street that is supplied ? Good video would defiantly like to see more on this subject. Would also like for you to do more of the side by side comparisons between models that you started last year. Keep the rubber on the road !
Matt, great info as always, I have a 2018 fxbrs, 600 miles I installed an fp3 and short shots, if I reset my ecm back to factory spec and install my factory header with slip ones, will my warranty still be void?
That’s a good question. Have you been to a dealer since you’ve had your FP3 installed. If they hooked it up to the digital technician then you’re voided probably. Once you’re voided then you always will be. If you haven’t then I think if you go back to stock then there is a chance you’ll be okay
Another great vid, i hope HD has been notified of the SOLID HD info that you're putting out there for the brand!
I really like your videos & your advices along with your extensive knowledge on Harley Davidson. I just wish you ran a dealer near me. I got my 2020 Low Rider S after watching your first review of it over a year ago. I find myself (when I do find extra time) going back & watching any videos of your past. Keep keeping it Real, & Thanks for your advice 🌾🤙
Hey mate thanks for the heads up on pipes. I have a question, I’ve purchased a new 2020 Softail slim and looking for a new V&H slip ons. Which do u recommend? And just adding a slip on does that affect the engine or is it fine. Cheers
On a stage 3 kit what would be a good aftermarket tuner to have after the warranty is up ???
That's a great idea for videos... Please keep exhaust videos coming :D
Excellent informative vid...thanks Matt
I want to put an Air Cleaner and a TBR 2 into 1 exhaust and install them myself, if I get the Screamin Eagle tuner and have the dealership install and tune (stage 1) the bike would that still void my warranty?
Down the road I’ll be putting in a stage 2 torque cam and let my local dealership install that. Basically I just want to install my Air Cleaner and TBR exhaust, that’s all.
I don’t really understand why we, the customer cannot install parts like this on our bikes without Harley voiding our warranty.
Would that be the same for the new streetbob? The cat is in the muffler. Not the headers. Can I run S&S slip ons and be safe? Or just 100% SE?
I'm a Vance and Hines fan boy, love the sound
Same
Will vance & Hines slip ons void my warranty on 2020 iron 883 and can I use a screaming eagle tuner with Vance & Hines please let me no thanks
Great information Matt. I went with the Stage I Screamin Eagle but I included the full Screamin Eagle exhaust. I couldn’t see the rational in having two catalytic converters; one in the OEM exhaust and one in the Scream Eagle mufflers. I used the HD Pro-Street Tuner to tune my HD Street Glide after I installed the parts.
Does removing the cat from the stock header affect the warranty. I understand that it would no longer be compliant in the state of California but does it affect the warranty?
Matt, with the softails having their catalytic converters in the mufflers, do you HAVE TO use a tuner or will the engine computer compensate for new slipons that do not have cats?
Hello Matt,
Did I understand that right, when I change the complete exhaust (V&H) I have to map my fxbb street bob?
I finally took a ride on a 2021 Road king last week was not happy with the sound, so stage-1 screaming eagle slip-on to get more sound and keep it in warranty. I am gonna wait till I can hear the difference between full systems and slip-on with the Milwaukee 8. Not a lot of new bikes with pipes Because when I buy there are several things that need changing apes, seat, chrome forks, a windshield. I was cramped up on the bike, I am 5'11" 200. Without the Harley sound, it would be like buying Honda? lol thanks for the info.
Great job very informative I have Arlen ness mega flow on my sportster sound is great and stock on my 18 street glide sound is perfect for me thanks again Matt very well done👍
i just put Cobra RPT slip ons on my 2020 Softail Standard, much throatier sound, but should i be concerned, at Idle, when i put my hand at the
exhaust, i feel a litter more air coming out of one of the 2 slip ons? As where when i had the stock, the air flow was the same
From where should I buy the vance and hines exhaust Motofever or somewhere else. I don't know much about all these but I have heard about Motofever from many people. Please suggest me
If you are going to change your exhaust to vance and hines is it mandatory to install a fuel pack as well?
No you can use the HD screamin Eagle tuners.
Jayvie Erol Lizardo, MBA, FPC I used the screamin’ eagle tuner and air intake and had the dealer do it for a stage 1. The reason is it documents that the bike is in compliance.
Will my 21 street glide special run normally with a full system and a stock tune?
May be a stupid question but i haven’t found the answer yet. When buying a new Harley can most dealerships order, for example, pair of slip ons and install them for you?
Of course. You will pay a little more and be steered toward HD Screaming Eagle Accessories.
Can you use aftermarket exhaust system to 2021 breakout
Reinhart was for me. Nice low sound at idle without being obnoxious as well as general riding has what I fell is classic sound. Yes it comes alive when I give it the beans. I’ve placed the stage IV with this and it runs like a champ. While the warranty is nice piece of mind I feel I bought a quality product and it will far surpass the warranty. So glad I don’t live in Nazi-fornia and can do as I wish with what I own. 18 Streetglide anniversary
Excellent video content. You speak well and garner confidence. Corporate needs to recruit you. Some real good points were covered. I learned a lot on this one. you are ok for a West Coast guy. (Florida guy here) take care. - hope to get by your dealership one day.
I did 3" DNA slip ons for my '20 883 Iron. Sounded absolutely awesome, BUT I could tell there's something going on with acceleration in initial loss of power and then it picks back up. Do I need to just add a thumb washer for back pressure or do I need to spend $400 on a street tune? No change to intake or header pipes.
Awesome video Big fan of what you do Cheers from New Zealand. Mines a 2018 Heritage classic 114 stage 3 V&H Propipe 2 into 1. No Californian laws over here. I Bought it based on your review awesome bike its not great going slow tho cam is very lumpy maybe a video of wat cams do and whats best for M8 upgrades?
Im in NZ too and looking at getting another HD
You never mention supertrapp what do you think about them? Would then closed cap give back pressure that would increase performance?
I have crusher maverick slip ons made by kuryakyn on my sporty with the air cleaner and fp3 tuner and it sounds great and just as loud as my bros complete v&h short shots also with stage 1. As far as power i definitely got more pulling off the line with this setup compared to stock. But at the end of the day its still an iron 883. But for the money its definitely the 1st upgrade i would do to any harley i ever get. That's the complete stage 1, even tho i don't have headers i honestly can't tell a difference between mine and my bros iron 883 with full exhaust. Im sure there might be a small difference in power on a dyno but i doubt you'll feel it when going from one bike to the other.
The dealer I got my 19 FLTRXS from installed SE 1 with Rhineharts before I even saw my bike. I have the tuner module that they used. My question is the exhaust sounds good but I'd like a little more presence in sound. Not sure the model they installed but they're all black with what looks like a polished aluminum inner tip.
I want louder but also deeper
So 2 in 1 Set up is better than 2-2 or it does not matter ?
Good video .. for my iron 1200 Vance & Hines sounds perfect.
Thks Matt, how about installing new van hines full exhaust with out FP3 tuner, and with normal stock air cleaner, will this damage the harley?
No it won’t. I did that when I had my street bob. It’ll just sound better
I only use Screaming Eagle >>> :( We all dislike>>> never ending "H-D Tax"
I have a 2019 roadking with stage 1 and ss mufflers sounds great to me its Touring bike not a hot rod and same set up on my 2019 Standard el glide a on my 19 street bob Stage one with ss mufflers its not loud not about the show off or try to impress anyone on my bikes ony bike i have with a Different exhaust is a 2005 soft L Deluxe with 21" apes And short shots Exhaust system I've had a lot of bikes in my time in I never try to impress anyone with loud exhaust or mufflers are trying I'll do anyone I just out to ride and have a good time
Great video Matt!
One question you mentioned that the new softail’s have the cat built into the mufflers so if you change the mufflers out would it be like a true 2 into 2 exhaust with no cat and you don’t need to purchase a header pipe?
if I tune with a fp3 but return to base map before I bring the bike in will the digital tech still detect it?
I found Vance & Hines are just loud freedom exhaust has a much better note at idle and through the rev range that’s what I’m going for
I had an old 84 FXEF Super Glide and during one of our rides, a friend knocked out the baffle. (Just put a crowbar inside and knocked a hole in it) Nice increase in sound, but it changed my RPM. I now have a 2017 Softail Deluxe. Would that work on a 103? If so, what else would be needed?
Great informative video. I have a '19 Sport Glide w/ Stage III & SE Street Cannon muffler. For me it covered all the bases, WARRANTEE - first! The Motor Company did a good job with the SE Street Cannon muffler. It has a good sound in all ranges. Besides the warrantee I wanted an exhaust note that I could live with on a long ride and around town. As others have said, good information while staying neutral.
Hey Bro, I Got A Question 4 You, This Is The First Time I'm Hearing About Loosing Power Off The Line on The New M8 Motors When Changing Exhausts, My Question 2 You Is I Have A 2018 Harley Davidson Street Glide Special FLHXS...This Is Not My First Harley I'm Actually 42 And Have Been Riding Since I Was 21, Now I'm Gonna Wait 4 My Warranty 2 Run Out B4 I Start Doing What I Really Want 2 Do 2 Her And I Was Just Wondering If You Have Ever Heard Of SVT Boneshakers Exhaust + I'm Also Going 2 Be Putting On A Set Of RCX Tourmenter Headers That Have The Cat Delete But They Also Have A Crossover That's Supposed To Create The Right Amount Of Back pressure And Along With That I Was Thinking Of Getting Either A Zippers Cam Or An S&S Cam, Sorry But I've Had A Bunch Of Screaming Eagle Parts On My 08 Street Bob And I Really Wasn't That Impressed With The Performance, The Zippers Cam Did Way Better On The Dyno, And The SVT Boneshakers Are Earth Rumbling Throughout The RPM Range...You Should Check Them Out, They Are NASTY Bro. Oh And BTW I'm Also Going 2 Add An Arlen Ness Big Sucker Air Breather And A Vance&Hines FP-3 Fuel Pack, And Along With The App 4 The V&H FP-3 It's Just Way Superior To The Screaming Eagle Tuner, So...Any Thoughts on The Cam... And I'll Take All Advice From Anyone Who Would Like 2 Lend They're Thoughts, Keep The Videos Coming Brother And I Hope 2 Hear From You Or Anyone With Any Thoughts,... Have A Great Day Everyone
jarrett pyle You asked a question about a cam?
Matt, I'm surprised you didn't mention decibels. Traditionally Harley has had to stay under 80 dB because of the law, but after market pipes have exceeded that with the disclaimer that they are only legal for off road use.. The after market exhausts that you mentioned which are certified in California can't exceed 80DB also then, right?
Hi Matt, I am not a resident of Commiefornia. I am looking to make a stage one on a 2019 Heritage 114 worthwhile (where I actually squeeze 8-10 horse out of it). Is that possible with the SE Pro Street tuner, the smart tuner and having the dealership Dyno the bike???? I am looking to the Reinhart slip on's and the SE air cleaner that has the filter that also sucks from the flat side in addition to the circumference
That’s a good combo, the bike will run great. I might be Installing the auto tuner soon and doing a video. I don’t know how much power exactly you’ll get but that’s around the ball park. The dealer won’t even need to dyno it. HD just has “canned” settings. Then the auto tuner will then take readings and adjust
@@MattLaidlaw Good to know it might work. I never see the specific SE air cleaner I mentioned, except in the catalog. I hope it will breathe like I want and not create a vacuum with the air blowing past it. I know volume-metric efficiency with the intake and the exhaust is the key to optimize what it there with out adding a cam etc...
Do you have to go to a Harley work shop to fit the screaming eagle parts pipes etc or can you go to other register mechanic to fit the parts
as I friend of mine has his own shop was the head mechanic for harley for years also harley still contact him for advice
KnN. Carbureted intake , SE baffles ( 40.00 ) instead of 600.00 exhaust. Put money on set of mild cams (300.00)
Thanks for the info Matt...sorry if you already answered ...a 2017 RK ..I have stage one with V&H slip-ons. If I remove the CAT from the Head pipe it would negatively affect my warranty?