Top Harley-Davidson Exhaust Questions Answered
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- Answers to the most commonly asked questions about Harley-Davidson exhaust. Learn how swapping out your stock exhaust with aftermarket affects sound, performance, warranty, and the legalities on the West Coast. Matt Laidlaw goes into the details.
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I have never been to California and I am truly so proud of that. It is on my bucket list to never go there. Put it on my headstone.
Why
You didn’t miss anything.
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Run it’s expensive out here haha
That gaff is a hell hole.Seems to be the place where the scum bring their bs laws first.
Hey Guys, I just want to respond to a question that a lot of people seem to be bringing up. There is always the criticism about H-D denying claims based on after market parts being used. Several people have brought up the magnuson-moss act which basically makes it illegal for vehicle manufacturers to force consumers into buying only OEM parts by doing things like voiding warranty coverage. This isn't the case with the aftermarket tuners. On August 18th, 2016 the EPA came down hard on Harley-Davidson. As part of the settlement, Harley-Davidson is required to not honor the warranty on the powertrain on 2017 and later models that have been tuned by a non-EPA compliant tuner. The definition of the powertrain in this instance pertains to the engine and all of its components, including the ECM (Engine Control Module), primary drive and transmission including all of its components. If H-D is made aware in any way, that a bike 2017 M.Y. and later has been tuned with an aftermarket tuner, the VIN will be blocked from powertrain warranty claims.
So, I know people want to give H-D the bad rap but really it's the federal government forcing H-D's hand in a lot of these cases when it involves aftermarket tuners. H-D spends a lot of time and money getting their tuners etc EPA certified for a reason. If you HAVE to run a full aftermarket exhaust system or an after market header pipe that requires a tuner my advice is to USE THE HARLEY DAVIDSON PRO STREET TUNER AND AUTO TUNER COMBINATION. This doesn't guarantee against warranty claims being declined but if you have an after market tuner you are for sure gonna be denied.
Nice update. People need to be informed about what the motor company HAS to adhere to concerning laws, and in turn they have to be accountable to those laws, even it adversely affect the customers. Tough pill of truth to swallow for consumers regardless if it's HD or a Chevy truck.
This exhaust concerns is missing 1 thing: you need an honest dealership to buy from and mod your bike with !
Unfortunately there aren't many honest dealerships out there like Laidlaw dealership with honest employees - honesty depends on the employees and since this industry has high turn over of employees, sometimes a bad bunch of workers will come in and destroy your trust (hence we no longer buy Harleys).
If you mod your exhaust and or retune with either a genuine or non genuine tuner, your warranty is automatically voided (in Australia) - trust me i know I've been through it (EPA Law) ! My warranty was voided because i installed after market quiet baffles from Vance and Hines on a stage 5 modded HD Breakout !
Techinically it was my own stupid fault but i wished the dealership would have helped me out since i bought 6 brand new Harleys and 1 brand new Ducati Panigale 1299 off them - i couldn't get the dealership to back me up because I'm too ugly and not famous enough for HD head office to jump in.
Matt Laidlaw will this also void recalls?
@@duke9173 Nothing can nullify a recall as far as I know.
A side by side comparison of a good number of exhausts would be very nice Matt! Great job🙏🏼
Good video. Looking forward to hearing comparisons with a bunch of different exhausts. Thanks.
Just put on a Stage 1 upgrade with SE Streetcannons and removable dampeners. Sounds great and no issues👍
When Jamie built his Heritage with the stage 3 engine kit.....I absolutely LOVED the way the Tab mufflers sounded. I ended up putting them on my 18 FatBoy with the stage 2 horsepower cam.
Thanks Matt!
Carnal, thank you for taking the time to explain this topic.
That's a great idea for videos... Please keep exhaust videos coming :D
Great comprehensive vid Matt, you covered the bases pretty well. It’s a shame there has to be so many regs these days.
Great job very informative I have Arlen ness mega flow on my sportster sound is great and stock on my 18 street glide sound is perfect for me thanks again Matt very well done👍
I want to hear some thundercone slip on mufflers for m8.
This is a great idea for a series. I spend a lot of time trying to find good audio clips of exhaust.
Thanks for all the different kinds of videos. Keep up the good work Matt. 👍
Dude RUclips SVT Boneshakers They Are Nasty,...You'll Love Um, Haven't Been Around That Long But They're Unbelievable, Megaphone Design or Whatever....Just Nasty
And EastEndMotorSports Has A Bunch of Different Packages 4 Them
Harley Davidson is getting stricter on exhaust systems accepted by your extended warranty, Thanks , Matt for addressing the issue...
Great video! Thanks for the info. I have a 2018 Ultra Limited and just installed Rineharts 4.5" Motopro 45 slipons and love them! They sound great and look good also. I've heard others with the Milwaukee 8 that have replaced the head pipe and I personally don't care for the sound as well as just the slipons.
Obout how much
Running the screaming eagle high flow performance exhaust with the stage 2 torque cams on my FLHTK...2018...great sound and a significant bump in performance,no regrets ...keep up the good Job bro ..cheers
And you won't catch a Honda Africa Twin dual purpose motorcycle :)))
Good info thanks. I put Sampson street sweepers years ago on my Fatboy and some fishtail slipons on my ultra. Love the sound on both and honestly performance isn’t my top care. Look, sound and ride experience are.
I have a 2019 114 Breakout with stage 3 performance. I put screaming eagle mufflers on it from the initial purchase and I was pretty disappointed with the exhaust note and volume. Not much different to stock. Now I have the the 3.5" Rinehart mufflers and the sound is incredible! Still running the stock headers. Very happy now. This is in Australia
brusa81 I was looking for those on the rinehart site, I’m assuming the 2017 BO pipes fit a 2018/19 correct?
@@gabrielfernandez566 hey mate, you might have to check this but I'm pretty sure that anything from 17 and earlier will not fit on the 18-19 softails. I ordered mine through my local Harley dealer
THANK YOU Matt....I just bought a new 2019 Road Glide and have been getting very unclear info about this subject....THANK U for ALL your great videos....keep them coming....
Appreciate it if you can do a review on exhausts for twin cam touring. My warranty expires the end of 2020, so no big rush on that video.
That's good to know. I was looking at some Vance & Hines slips on just to increase the sound and wasn't sure if I also needed a tuner. But good to know I won't as long I keep the stock airfilter. Plus won't affect the warranty.
Hey mate thanks for the heads up on pipes. I have a question, I’ve purchased a new 2020 Softail slim and looking for a new V&H slip ons. Which do u recommend? And just adding a slip on does that affect the engine or is it fine. Cheers
I bought a 2021 RK Standard in October and bought the ESP as well, which makes me a warranty coward, haha. My wife agreed to let me do a Stage 2 (which is in the works now- albeit outside the 60 days). I’m sticking with all Screamin Eagle parts- even the slip-ons. This was great feedback and context - appreciate the content, Matt!
That's a difficult topic to cover without putting your company at risk of criticism for brand specific favoritism. I feel you did a good job avoiding those situations and I could tell you thought about the wording carefully. Great job!!
Thanks man
Great information Matt. I went with the Stage I Screamin Eagle but I included the full Screamin Eagle exhaust. I couldn’t see the rational in having two catalytic converters; one in the OEM exhaust and one in the Scream Eagle mufflers. I used the HD Pro-Street Tuner to tune my HD Street Glide after I installed the parts.
Great topic, thank you Matt!
You look a little tired brother. Haven’t been watching every video like I was a year 1/2 ago, but still love your advice and input all the same. Take care man.
Great info, especially about needing some amount of back-pressure to keep the low end torque the Harley engines put out. Not sure people realize that changing the engine makeup (Stage Kits) will change how the bike should be ridden. I’m keeping my 2019 Street Glide Special in the stock configuration...I’d rather put the money into the Stereo system 😎
Thanks for the comment 👍🏻👍🏻 we all have different priorities.
Thank you for answering the questions I can never get a straight answer to 🙏
Hey man your doing a real great job with your content on your channel always looking forward to your next video keep up the great work peace brother
Thank you, if any human just bought any HD motorcycle this pertains to you refreshing your memory on a thorough explanation from proven dealership point of view.
Love the V&H Big Radius on my 19. Breakout
Also I had Harley Stage 1 it before I took delivery so it would be covered.
How’s the performance and sound?
I have a 18 gunship Cvo. Can I modify my self like with the full sac internals to get better sound. Have you had any experience with them? And one thing you didn’t mention about the cat. If you aren’t in California, can you remove your cat to get better sound and possibly retune
Thanks Matt, it’s great you covered this topic. Like others have said, compared to my evos and early twin cam, I get everything and more from my m8. I did do mufflers and stage 1 screaming eagle intake/tuner but left it at that. I love my m8.
Good vid, 🍻👍
Hi Matt, a very, very useful review & insights. Could you also expand your views /experience into air intakes/filters, saddles and anything else what would make a "good bang for your buck" - in terms of price/performance/reliability standpoint. The overview of the warranty issues is a gem, much appreciated.
I purchased slip ons mufflers on amazon for 180$ (shark road)and they sound amazing!
You No That You Can Easily Take The Baffles Out of those Exhausts And They Will Be Ridiculous Right, Just Take The Allen Screws out and they just slide out
Found it weird when I bought my 17 FXDLS that the dealership said stage 1 download was standard from the factory, guessing because of the heavy breather from the factory? Had a bassani installed and they went to do the download and they said it was already done and cut me a check for a refund. They said I wasnt getting the most out of the pipe but they said with the stage 1 download I was safe from burning the engine up. What's your thoughts?
Matt, with the softails having their catalytic converters in the mufflers, do you HAVE TO use a tuner or will the engine computer compensate for new slipons that do not have cats?
Great informative video. I have a '19 Sport Glide w/ Stage III & SE Street Cannon muffler. For me it covered all the bases, WARRANTEE - first! The Motor Company did a good job with the SE Street Cannon muffler. It has a good sound in all ranges. Besides the warrantee I wanted an exhaust note that I could live with on a long ride and around town. As others have said, good information while staying neutral.
Great info and explanations! 👍
Very informative! Great vid!
Great video thank you, I love your channel Matt because I actually learning so much.
Thanks man !
I agree David! I'm doing my homework for a Street Glide Special or CVO...I just fell in love with that bike at the last Bike show here in the Midwest. I ran across Matt's channel a couple weeks ago, subscribed and keep coming back. Thanks so much for all of the non-BS info and straight talk Matt, much appreciated. I would definitely buy from you if I was on the west coast.
Thanks for the info Matt...sorry if you already answered ...a 2017 RK ..I have stage one with V&H slip-ons. If I remove the CAT from the Head pipe it would negatively affect my warranty?
Great video Matt!
One question you mentioned that the new softail’s have the cat built into the mufflers so if you change the mufflers out would it be like a true 2 into 2 exhaust with no cat and you don’t need to purchase a header pipe?
This is great! Just picked up my 2020 sgs. Had V&H on my Night rod but didn’t want anything that loud. Thx.
I love all the vids, lots of smart, useful information. Thanks for your effort! ❤️ the Vance and Hines. I have a 2014 Low Rider, did you have to switch foot peg position to accommodate?
Excellent informative vid...thanks Matt
I had an old 84 FXEF Super Glide and during one of our rides, a friend knocked out the baffle. (Just put a crowbar inside and knocked a hole in it) Nice increase in sound, but it changed my RPM. I now have a 2017 Softail Deluxe. Would that work on a 103? If so, what else would be needed?
I really learned a lot from this video !! You really explained things really well an thank you so much 👍🏆
Matt part 2 to my original question if you can answer it, when I set my ecm back to default and run a stick tune will the digital technician know that I did that, will the ecm keep that information stored in it?
Thanks for the video, Matt. Very straightforward and informative.👍🏼
Just bought a Fab Bob 2020 and I was wondering about the mechanical mods and warranties, very informative video, thank you!
i just put Cobra RPT slip ons on my 2020 Softail Standard, much throatier sound, but should i be concerned, at Idle, when i put my hand at the
exhaust, i feel a litter more air coming out of one of the 2 slip ons? As where when i had the stock, the air flow was the same
I really like your videos & your advices along with your extensive knowledge on Harley Davidson. I just wish you ran a dealer near me. I got my 2020 Low Rider S after watching your first review of it over a year ago. I find myself (when I do find extra time) going back & watching any videos of your past. Keep keeping it Real, & Thanks for your advice 🌾🤙
Matt, could you put Rinehart 2-1 for M8 softails in your list of reviewable exhausts?
I want to get that for my 2018 Sport Glide, but can not find anything about that.
Thanks 🙏
You Should Check Out The SVT Boneshakers Exhausts.....Super Bad Ass
Make sure you feature Cobra Neighbor Haters for M8 Softail and Touring. They sound AWESOME. They're my favorite exhaust note for a Harley.
Cobra exhaust that good??
@@soorajsaikumar Neighbor Haters sound pretty awesome on the M8 Softail, and M8 Touring bikes. Very angry and aggressive sounding.
When I get my Fat Boy, it's the slip on's im going with.
I installed these on my friends 19 street bob. They sound awesome
Very underrated slip on. Great aggresive sound.
@@soorajsaikumar I love my cobra pipe
Hello Matt,
Did I understand that right, when I change the complete exhaust (V&H) I have to map my fxbb street bob?
Helpful video. Cant wait to get my exhaust system set up here 🤓
Great informative video, answers my questions. I have a 2018 Sportster 48 and plan on having Vance & Hines Slip-Ons installed. My question, will a Screaming Eagle tuner be compatible with the V&H Slip-Ons and help the bike run optimally?
Good information 👍 I just bought my first harley a 2021 Street Bob and would like a louder muffler but not like you said obnoxiously loud all the time, just when you want it to be. I also prefer NOT to have the pop and crackle. What would you recommend for me and if i just change the muffler would that require a retune and another air filter?
Oh I'm in New Jersey so not worried about California regulations.
Updates:
Does replacing the slip on muffler still use the stock black exhaust shield?
I asked a local dealer about warranty issues and was told you can replace entire exhaust and as long as harleys screaming eagle tuner is used it won't void the warranty, is that true?
I narrowed it down to 3 options of 3" replacement slip on mufflers based on listening to them online with my same motor. I'm not sure if I use stock heat shield with any of these do you? I like the black with chrome tip look i have now.
Vances & Hines Eliminator $430
Vance & Hines Twin Slash $350
Cobra Neighbor Hater $350
Also any clue why the Eliminator cost so much more?
Thanks!
Thank you, Matt. I would have added a fourth topic to your excellent video. Heat. How, exactly, are the driver and passenger affected by the heat output of these various systems?
Does it need to be installed by the dealership or just SE parts? Can i still install everything in a stage 1 myself and preserve the warranty? Im outside of the 60 days, really wish this had been explained at the time of purchase but thanks for all this data.
Matt....what about Tri-glide performance upgrades on my 2019 114. My tech says a stage II is a no no. Really can this be correct now that we have a production Tri-glide CVO?
I did 3" DNA slip ons for my '20 883 Iron. Sounded absolutely awesome, BUT I could tell there's something going on with acceleration in initial loss of power and then it picks back up. Do I need to just add a thumb washer for back pressure or do I need to spend $400 on a street tune? No change to intake or header pipes.
I'm getting my motorcycle license and will be purchasing a new Fat Bob. You do a great job, Matt. I really like the Orange 2020 Fat Bob. I have my two-day class here in Corona next month in May.
I have a 08 low rider, anyone have recommendations on a great sounding exhaust that fits that model?
Do Screamin' Eagle mufflers have a removable Db killer ? Looking for a Roadster, Thanks.
Royal T racing exhaust, shorty bagger version. Stage 4 Screamin Eagle Milwaukee 8 with the Harley tuner. Can't wait till my warranty is over so I can get a different tuner and see what it can really do. Pipe is loud but not obnoxious, has a tuned sound to it.
Matt, great info as always, I have a 2018 fxbrs, 600 miles I installed an fp3 and short shots, if I reset my ecm back to factory spec and install my factory header with slip ones, will my warranty still be void?
That’s a good question. Have you been to a dealer since you’ve had your FP3 installed. If they hooked it up to the digital technician then you’re voided probably. Once you’re voided then you always will be. If you haven’t then I think if you go back to stock then there is a chance you’ll be okay
I run Rinehart over all the others due to quality ,looks,sound and most importantly let’s mention “lifetime warranty “no one else does it.V&H offers only one year
I was looking at Rineharts but saw folks online complaining of baffle or something coming loose and causing a rattle.
What’s going to possibly happen to metal pipes?
gghostrrider I’ve got cobra 909s and they came with the same lifetime warranty
Good straight up info
I have crusher maverick slip ons made by kuryakyn on my sporty with the air cleaner and fp3 tuner and it sounds great and just as loud as my bros complete v&h short shots also with stage 1. As far as power i definitely got more pulling off the line with this setup compared to stock. But at the end of the day its still an iron 883. But for the money its definitely the 1st upgrade i would do to any harley i ever get. That's the complete stage 1, even tho i don't have headers i honestly can't tell a difference between mine and my bros iron 883 with full exhaust. Im sure there might be a small difference in power on a dyno but i doubt you'll feel it when going from one bike to the other.
Thanks Matt, great info!
Another great vid, i hope HD has been notified of the SOLID HD info that you're putting out there for the brand!
Great Topic Matt....
Matt, I have not, but will the Ecm store the info that I at one time had and fm other than a screaming eagle tuner ?
i have flat black cobra slip ons and they are stained really bad...any advice on how to clean them without having to bake on a new ceramic coating?
On a stage 3 kit what would be a good aftermarket tuner to have after the warranty is up ???
Very informative and developed in content structure! Your the only one who touched this topic, Thank You!!! Make America Great Again!!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Does removing the cat from the stock header affect the warranty. I understand that it would no longer be compliant in the state of California but does it affect the warranty?
Excellent video content. You speak well and garner confidence. Corporate needs to recruit you. Some real good points were covered. I learned a lot on this one. you are ok for a West Coast guy. (Florida guy here) take care. - hope to get by your dealership one day.
Can I put an exhaust on my bike day 1 or do I have to break it in first? 500 miles?
Do you have to go to a Harley work shop to fit the screaming eagle parts pipes etc or can you go to other register mechanic to fit the parts
as I friend of mine has his own shop was the head mechanic for harley for years also harley still contact him for advice
if I tune with a fp3 but return to base map before I bring the bike in will the digital tech still detect it?
Harley, Gals. Loving the new styles of exhaust slip on"s as well as the EpI sportster exhaust modifications out. 2020.
Thank you for all Your videos
Great 411 video Matt👏🏻👏🏻 I have all HD & SE Parts on my FLSS. SE Cannons, SE Pro tuner and SE Smart Tuner. HDD had to change my head pipes to install wide band oxygen sensors. I’m happy with bike.. But I’m now saving to get SE Lower torque cam. When I think I’m done, I’m not... lol
Nice man.
So if I do a stage 4 on a new Milwaukee 8 would it be better to go with the auto tuner or stick with the pro street that is supplied ? Good video would defiantly like to see more on this subject. Would also like for you to do more of the side by side comparisons between models that you started last year. Keep the rubber on the road !
Hi Matt!! What do you think of DND 2 into 1 for my 2017 UL???
I loved the Screamin’ Eagle Slip-ons on my otherwise stock 2014 Street Glide. It had a nice grunt to it without being obnoxious like my old 2010 Super Glide with a Vance & Hines Short Shots full exhaust system. My ears are still ringing from that one. LOL!! I can’t wait to get the Screamin’ Eagle Slip-Ons on my 2021 Low Rider S. The 14” apes and forward controls are going to make my bike just the way I want it. Anyone who needs more than 114 cubic inch is crazy. I respect this bike’s spirit. She’s got far more power than I need. But, I do like to give ‘er every now and then.
Great overview. Thank!
I know I’m late but I just got my 2021 street bob and this is great information!! Thanks
My 2018 1200 Custom. Has Firebrand Loose Cannon, Arlen Ness stage 1 intake. And a V&H FP3 map. Almost popped a wheelie going into 5th at 70 mph.
Good video. You are absolutely correct about the back pressure on the new M8. My 2020 Street Glide warranty will expire soon so I did a Stage 2 with a full exhaust using Reinhart DBX 45 that the previous owner had put on. We did a Woods 22 xe cam and a Jackpot 2-1-2 header. It sounded great but there was no low end torque. It had less torque than stock. I saw a few others on You tube with the same problem and I had to put in Fuel Moto inserts into the mufflers to get the back pressure needed for the low end torque to come back. It now runs really well with good torque and hp. What is your opinion of stage 2?
Is it worth the money? I have now added a Man-O-War compensator and a Screaming Eagle clutch plates with an Aim variable pressure clutch. I also did a Rekluse slave cylinder because of the friction zone and the harder pull and finally I feel pretty good about it. My wife and love watching your video's especially the travel ones. We live in Utah close to Park City. The Zion and Glacier National Park videos are my favorite. I spent 2 years in So Cal (on a mission) and I would like to someday come by your dealership. Thanks for all you do!
I have a question for anyone honestly. Does removing baffles from a stock pipes damage the motor? Recently got a 2007 super glide at a Harley dealership and my friend told me I should get some slip ons or new pipes
My pipes right now currently without baffles are super loud obviously but I wanted to know if it was bad in the long run to have them like this or id have to get different pipes or slip ons.
Thanks Matt! Great topic, would like your opinion/comments on noise laws?
I need to. I might need to make a separate video
Would that be the same for the new streetbob? The cat is in the muffler. Not the headers. Can I run S&S slip ons and be safe? Or just 100% SE?
Great video again matt hope to see you at Arizona Bike Week if you haven't been before go it's the best you will love it
Hey Matt, great vid as always, especially the warranty info. Two questions, one would putting V&H 450 destroyers with a Stage 3 or 4 kit and autotune net a similar enough result as say a full exhaust swap? Two, unrelated, I know you run a BMC seat on your bike, I'm 5'9", do you think that seat is a little tall for me? I can get both feet flat on the floor on my FLHXS with the stock seat.
So I have a big radius system on my fxdls and I can barely hear my plex audio system :/
Haha. Yup that’s a loud exhaust.
Matt I work in the automotive sector and one of the big things we look at and aftermarket or accessories is the Magnuson Moss Act this states that the aftermarket has to be proven to cause the issue with the engine or with the part in order for it to not be covered under warranty so the proof lies in the manufacturer of the part or the person stating that the warranty isn't covered is this the same in the motorcycle world.
Yes this is still applicable to the motorcycle world.
AS part of the big EPA bust that happened a few years ago, part of the settlement was that H-D wouldn't honor drive-train warranty on bikes that were tuned by non-compliant tuners. It isn't H-D trying to skate around warranty. It's actually the federal government's hand in having these drive-train claims denied.
So my question is this. I see you guys do builds with aftermarket exhausts. I've been trynna do a club style build on my fxdls. Fairing, tbars, and 2-1 tbr pipes. Can I go to you guys for this or will you guys deny installing the pipes for me?
Give us a ring tomorrow after we open at 9 am. 626-851-0412. Ask for Nick or use my extension, 1239.
I've got them on my fxdls and I'm really happy with them. I felt the performance difference straight away and they sound great too👍