Evaluating The Top 5 Claims Made About China's Poly Tech M14S Rifle
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Talking about the top 5 common claims made about the Chinese copy of the US GI M14 rifle: Poly Tech M14S & Norinco M14 Sporter / M305.
Time Stamps:
Comparing American & Chinese - 1:44
Claim #1, Communist China Acquired American Tooling To Build Its M14 copies - 4:38
Claim #2, They Were Built On US Milspec Forged Receivers - 10:42
Claim #3, The M14S Bolt Is Soft & Needs Replacing - 14:08
Claim #4, The Side Rollmarked IDE Imported & Poly Tech Branded M14S Is The Best Version - 21:33
Claim #5, Pre vs Post Ban Features & MSC Stuff With Owning One - 26:58
Final Thoughts - 38:18
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U.S. cold war rifles made in communist China this checks all my history and gun nerd boxes thanks for another good video my encyclopedic friend
Bought Polytech for a song at gun show in Indy maybe '99. Sent it to Warbirds in Texas. Then traded for an LWRCI M6.
Took LWRCI to basement safe. A sudden flash of light overtook me, I fell to my knees, it was the shimmering image of Chris Bartocci nodding his head saying "be not afraid for you have traded wisely."
I gave him a Whataburger and he left.
🤣🤣🤣
Comment of the day 🥂
Now THAT is funny ! 😂
Chris Bartocci is the only guy on earth that can make Ruger P-Series pistols jam, so I take anything he says with a grain of salt
Most thorough and objective run down of the Poly Tech M14s I've seen to date.
My dad twisted my arm, convinced me I needed a heel mark poly. After changing the flash hider and procurement of a pig sticker. It's a favorite of mine. It's probably under 500 rounds. No complaints.
Just bought a Polytech M14 from a friend of mine who had it for 30 years. He said he shot maybe a box or two of 7.62 thru it, and it looks brand new (as new as a new Polytech could look).
I was also confused about the Norinco vs the Polytech fit and finish. Everything I’ve read said the Polytech is the better gun but also read they were made in the same factory like you stated. And like you said, if the Polytech is better, it is because they accepted only better quality guns.
Either way, I like my M1. Keep up the good work.
I'm glad you made this video. I believe you are spot on with what research I've gathered over the years. I was under the assumption the ide side stamped guns were the later, better guns vs the early heal stamped. Since you won't say it, fulton armory was the main culprit to spread all the bolt panic and made stacks of cash doing it. Somehow my mid 90s ide polytech still has a good original bolt after all these years. Guess I should play the lottery.
haha, You said it, not me but......
Hey misha I knew these existed but have never seen one thanks for the video . Cheers!
Superb presentation 👏
Great vid. Always been interested in these.
I really enjoy your videos Mishaco. Your expertise in all the firearms you cover make watching a great learning experience. Thank you.
Have had a Norinco for a while. Love seeing nice near hour long videos on guns I own. Really is nice relaxing to after a long day.
I bought two polytech M1S rifles about 25 years ago. Stripped them down to bare receivers and had them rebuilt by Clint McKee at Fulton Armory, using all USGI parts and Krieger barrels. I don’t shoot for small groups on paper, but do enjoy banging away at distance. Regarding the Norinco vs. Polytech, I’m no expert, but Clint McKee certainly was, and his stated opinion was that the Polytech was superior to the Norinco.
A friend of mine was going to visit the base PX in Okinawa back around 2010-11. He was stopped by the base security from entering. Base security (not door guard) said that he was forbidden from entry due to "difference in national convictions". Now my friend held a Republic of China (Taiwan) passport, but the door guard mistaken it for People Republic of China. I was going to ask for the higher up to explain the confusion, but my friend decide base PX wasn't worth the hassle.
For those who guard our base, they really ought to have known better.
Jesus Christ.....*sigh*
Love my polytech have ran a lot of 308 through mine never had an issue shoots great.
24:45 Great leaps forward, if you will.
Just bought one of these at an online auction for $750. Get to go pick it up tomorrow. Hopefully it's decent.
I love my Polytech. It’s from the last imported batch so I’m not worried about any heat treating issues or softness.
I had both a Norinco (heel stamp) and Polytech (side stamp). Both were awrsome. I kept the Norinco though.
Misha, the heel marked Norinco M14 sporter had cut-off flash hider, cut-off bayonet lug, and welded nut. They came in 1993. Guns & Ammo magazine had an article about these guns in 1993. I forget which month. Based on this observation, I extrapolate the IDE imports like your gun came later than the Norinco.
Thanks, i had heard about those with the chopped off flash hiders, but never had one in person. I've had 2 prebans and maybe half a dozen postbans over the years. All were trading goods and what-not. My personal M14s have always been built with USGI parts, which once upon a time were actually very affordable. Plus I got several neat things from FredsM14Stocks. I liked that place. The owner was old and cranky like me lol.
I really hope one of these days we see those type 57 come in as parts kits
Me too....
@@misha5670 I think it’s likely some day because my friend in Taiwan said they have pretty much fased them out other than ceremonial use like the guards who stand in front of the chiang kai shek memorial hall and the presidential palace
Wow, I’m first. Didn’t know there was an m14 made by them
Yes, big in Canada.
Yea China literally copies any and everything.
Almost got one a few years back. Regret not picking it up
See a century arms m14s with a heel mark st. Albans Vt serial number c 1016 with an imperial bayonet going up at a local auction for $800 tomorrow. Worth picking up or pass? Got the hinged butt plate looks to be in good condition
In addition to SKS, Makarov, Tokarev, AK /Sks and Dragunov, Norinco gave us an M14, 1911, a Walther TT Olympia, Winchester 1887. 1897 (trench), an UZI, a Valmet Hunter, and K98 trainer.
I can't confirm or deny on the full auto 😉. Let's just say I know things. They might had a few that made it.
So, were these made concurrent with the T65 at the same factory?
I wish I had a T91 to flex... Or better a T65 with that cool M16 mixed with like AR18/180 look plus unique ROC flair... Gotta love it...
What's the twist rate on the t91?
Anyone know it on the old t65s?
Not that I'll ever own one... I was just recently in the hospital (with associated bill) and so no I have to hope to squirrel enough away to even look at PSA and primary arms site
Ah, the joys of going to the hospital for a small thing (atypical dystonia), catching pneumonia from the hospital, and being intubated, and having to pay the bill for the hospitals negligence...
But at least I have the right to own firearms... If Id have been born across the bridge (in Canada), I'd probably be even more sad... Drooling over... I don't even know what's legal there anymore... Other than Canadian friends telling me "nothing worth having, except to hunt"
Sorry, odd rant at the end there
1/7 on the T91 and T65K2. The original T65 was 1/12.
@@misha5670 ok so they just followed American twist rate then(I'm assuming) unless standard is 1/9 nowadays.. I always forget... Still cool of you to bring out the T91... Any excuse to show a t91 is a good excuse
@@JaykPuten Exactly, i really like my T91. It was just a fun project and didn't at all break the bank.
@@misha5670 I wish what you consider bank breaking and what I consider bank breaking were the same...
Looking online to source a the parts for a t91 looks to be up to a one and a half thousand endeavor (then again when you bought it probably helped, and maybe having a gun store/pawn store-as I know it's easier to get insurance and cheaper to be a pawn store dealing in just firearms than a gun store, depending on your state)
As a KP lower with dissipator upper even a faux one from like PSA would break the bank for me, after I find the right lower for my 20" F top upper
To be fair though I have a wife, a cat that only eats the expensive stuff, a recent 7k hospital bill and have to put more than I thought aside till tax time, being self employed/a business owner can really suck sometimes
Curious to ask though, if you don't mind sharing, how much did your t91 cost? Was it bought as is, or sourced?
If you mentioned how you got it in the video, forgive me as I usually watch your videos just before I intend to sleep, and sometimes nod off for a moment... Unless you're specifically showing something, not that your videos put me to sleep, there just full of enough information that I don't really need to look at the screen every second, especially when it includes the history of the firearm, or history of the time period or is of a firearm I know intimately enough that I needn't look
@@JaykPuten My first one was built with a Wolf A1 upper and all told cost me around $800.
My second one (one in this video) was a bit more as it has a T91Tactical upper andd Taiwanese lower. All told it was around $1,200.
I'm looking at getting an m14 at some point. would go good with the other 308 rifles.
People still manage to get ROK mixed with the DPRK... So the ROC/PRC mixup seems super plausible
People don't use their brain most of time. If not for the current war in Ukraine, people don't know the difference of Russian and Ukrainian.
@@ichimonjiguy or Poland... Or Belarus or hi-mars, or well lots of stuff
They knew almost a decade ago about Crimea Ukraine and Russia
But when the news doesn't talk about it, no one cares
When you're at the range ask how many older firearm enthusiasts even know about what's going on with braces... Unless you go to an indoor range, or somewhere that isn't just public land with a berm
Nice T44 Misha 😀😊❤️😀
The only Chinese rifle I’ve got is a Norinco Sks and I love it . it was a gift from my late uncle rest his soul ❤
What about accuracy of the chinese knock of?
Forever my favorite rifle, no matter how much people talk shit about them. Mine is a 2-2.5 moa gun and I don’t expect anything more from it.
Cool 😎
Hey Misha, are you going to do a black box talk on the recent ATF ruling? Not sure what I should do with my iwi Zion pistol. Sell it? Keep it?
Yep, Friday most likely.
Keep it, f biden.
@@sodeepopkid6855 Pass....not into old folks....or dudes for that matter.
The example of the poly M14. We owned shot very well. Not as accurate as a Springfield but ok.
You ever see one with a 16" barrel?
16" no but they did offer an 18".
My buddy bought one in the late 90's and it was a piece of crap. Every couple of rounds it would jam up. Had issues with op rod and spring. He got rid of it and bought a springfield which ran flawlessly.
Despite how some people crap talk Springfield M1As, every one I've ever shot ran just fine.
Great video I have the side stamped polytech. Traded a amd65 for it. Not sure who came out on that one. And the Chinese wood is awful.
Yeah, it isn't great hehe. Kind of reminds me of that near-plastic wood found on some cheap .22s back in the day.
No so sure that all Chinese M14's used a forged receiver. Some of those I saw back in the 90's showed parting lines, typical of castings. There were indeed some serious "Kabooms" with the Chinese M14. Dean, a club member of the Snake River Sportsmen Club in eastern Oregon was severely injured when his Chinese receiver/bolt let go.
For the most part it took nothing special to swap in a surplus TRW bolt other than checking head space. In fact it was rather interesting that the Chinese M14 was rather close to G.I. spec and bolts could be installed by the user. I know because I put a TRW surplus bolt in mine, no machine work required. After Dean's experience I got rid of my Chinese M14.
I went through US Army Basic Training in 1966 at Ft. Old, CA. We were issued the M14. What a fucking slug of weight to haul around everywhere one went.
Question: how were those receivers rollmarked?
@@misha5670 That was a long time ago. Not something I recall specific about. But they were roll marked in the same place on the ass end of the receiver as a Springfield or H&R were.
@@d30gaijin Asking because after the ban; Armscorp, Federal Ordnance and Century Arms assembled M14 type rifles using American made receivers. These could be cast for sure (definitely looking at you CAI & I've seen those in-person with very visible mold lines).
@@misha5670 It was a Chinese M14 that blew up on Dean. A club FFL gent at the time ordered a small lot of them for club members at discount prices, which was how I got mine. Back then we were big time into NRA/CMP service rifle matches, that was before the AR15 took over as the best service rifle for such matches.
@@d30gaijin *shrug* for anyone into the channel here for awhile, you know I am not exactly the biggest Chinese defender. I don't hate them either, but not a member of they made the bestest stuff ever crowd. So i believe you. I had a Polytech Legend not work on me some years back and a Norinco M97 Trenchgun totally shit the bed to the point it was only good for parts. Still, i think the M14Ss were good enough for the money and generally made for nice project guns. I've had guns KB in my hands; it is a terrifying experience.
the bolt failure is not a myth, as I have one in my hand tha failed after the 5th shot out of the box
A Poly Tech M14 split its receiver and damn near killed a friend of mine. He was shooting factory ammo issued at our matches. Like I said, the receiver split down the middle and sent the bolt into his face. That was back in the early/mid 1990's. I saw and owned Poly Tech AK's and M14's back then. The M14's would get a TRW replacement bolt and a few other surplus TRW parts as we could. All Poly Tech shit were a cut above junk. I am amazed that idiots covet them these days. My friend Dean, who got the bolt in his face, had not replaced his bolt with a TRW bolt. The Poly Tech bolts were rather soft and you could watch them deform after a few hundred rounds.
One of the more maligned military firearms.
I would say US sold tooling and documentation in 80's when they were very cosy with red chinese. Remember that China produced M16 back then and supplied it to terrorist in Afganistan fighting Soviets
No, the US didn't sell China tooling or plans for the M14. China was able to copy Soviet jet engines when making its WS10 series; so compared to that, reverse engineering a battlerifle based on WWII technology was surely child's play for them.
@@misha5670 Im not saying they couldn't do it. I just dont think there would be any economical sense doing it when they already produced few rifle designes equivalent to M14. And I never see any proof they made M14 copies before 80s
Just letting you know that utube is changing their policies on gun content make sure you know the changes to their rules before making new content they are trying to shut guntubers down and other utubers just letting you know
Thing is, what can be done?
@@misha5670 I don't know I just thought I'd warn all my favorite gun channels your right though some one got a strike for a video a few years old over mag changing its ridiculous just wanted to give a heads up just in case you didn't hear
Dudes, wrong thumbnail.
And how would I know? or for that matter pick one? lol
Deducing some rumor for more rumors.
Yep, feel like I should be on a 24/7 Cable 'News' network.
First
So slow to much talk of non sense
lol Taiwan Province isn't a nation yank
I am glad you like your pants and pet cat.
Whatever it is, it is not a Communist province for sure.
okay wumao. enjoy your gutter oil
You're right they're a sovereign nation separate from other Asian nations like China.