AR15-Obsessed Dork Debunks Wendigoon's AR15 Video

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  • Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
  • I put together my response to Wendigoon's AR15 history video, which I believe gets a lot wrong - including it's central thesis.
    TLDW, the Army did stall and obstruct the AR15's adoption, but they had good reasons to do so. DOD rushed the adoption of the rifle, and the had good reasons to do so. The rifle did have problems early on as all rifles do. However, these happenings do not support a narrative of "sabotage", and really don't even paint a cohesive picture of negligence.
    I use the M16 Review Panel's report and The Black Rifle to break down the thesis, and show why the evidence Wendigoon presents for this thesis falls into one of two buckets: either misunderstanding the details to the point of being wrong, or being outright wrong.
    Links to these documents: odysee.com/THE_BLACK_RIFLE_M1...
    thecoltar15resource.com/repor...
    Long story short, I felt compelled to make this response because I've spent enough time researching this stuff that I feel obliged to fight the spread of this sort of fuddlore misunderstanding of the AR15's history as much as possible. Hopefully, the video strikes you as going beyond simply nitpicking small details (I made that video too, it was four hours long,, you can watch it here: • The Rat Cut ), and instead feels like an address of the core misunderstanding found in Wendigoon's presentation.
    A little more context/thoughts that didn't make it into the video are listed here: x.com/NaviGoBoom/status/18089...

Комментарии • 857

  • @wantnotwant
    @wantnotwant Месяц назад +970

    The AR15 stands for assault rifle 15 (15 for how many bullets it can hold) it was made by Call of Duty to sell their 4th game. Eugene Stoner, named as such over his famous love for weed- thought of it in 2010 when he was like "yo these quickscopers suck- I need a junk 3 burst to counter that'll be quickly replaced by the AUG, M4, or Famas"

    • @odrs
      @odrs Месяц назад +15

      yes

    • @life_of_riley88
      @life_of_riley88 Месяц назад +26

      I think I read this in a Jeff Cooper book, straight facts.

    • @VladimirGitcherocksoff
      @VladimirGitcherocksoff Месяц назад

      😂🤣

    • @timzy11ful
      @timzy11ful Месяц назад +5

      please edit your comment to 5th game. i am sorry.

    • @Appalachia_Ape
      @Appalachia_Ape Месяц назад

      ​@@life_of_riley88 kEeLoLoGy b0rThEr

  • @Hunting4knowledge
    @Hunting4knowledge Месяц назад +1081

    Knowledge of the Autistic Rifle -15 is a spectrum

    • @pablowentscobar
      @pablowentscobar Месяц назад +20

      Very good, many such cases.

    • @xaagripha7326
      @xaagripha7326 Месяц назад +2

      well that doesn't say much, thats saying its simple and unbelievably strong.

    • @dorjedriftwood2731
      @dorjedriftwood2731 Месяц назад +2

      ruclips.net/video/LSN1eUpOiTE/видео.htmlsi=UeL0xhcx5C0OEbgl
      Just a small comment on the claim that people complaining about hitting guys and them getting back up isn’t just a story.

    • @Tunkkis
      @Tunkkis 29 дней назад

      ​@@dorjedriftwood2731 _Can_ it happen? Sure.
      Is it what happened most of the time? Very doubtful.

    • @xXLingunXx
      @xXLingunXx 13 дней назад

      @@Tunkkis if guys are REALLY skinny and get hit in a fleshy area, a 5.56 can just do a thru-n-thru, it needs about 4-6" of penetration before it starts to go wild

  • @biobeast1179
    @biobeast1179 Месяц назад +1150

    Why didn't the army just adopt the draco??

    • @IvanPrintsGuns
      @IvanPrintsGuns  Месяц назад +460

      WMDs in Vietnam would have got Russia to get involved directly

    • @Calvin_Coolage
      @Calvin_Coolage Месяц назад +250

      They couldn't decide between the Draco or Glocks wit da switch, so they adopted neither.

    • @guapstalker
      @guapstalker Месяц назад +32

      @@Calvin_Coolage This is true

    • @Schizohandlers
      @Schizohandlers Месяц назад +7

      Why not hipoints?

    • @LAHFaust
      @LAHFaust Месяц назад +62

      Obviously it's because they couldn't get VZ Grips for them

  • @LibertarianMexican
    @LibertarianMexican Месяц назад +784

    This is how you correct Wendigoon and not like how that other guy did.

    • @Thisisausername556
      @Thisisausername556 Месяц назад +228

      That guy didn’t just not correct Wendigoon, he fully corrected himself right out of existence on any social media platform XD

    • @LibertarianMexican
      @LibertarianMexican Месяц назад +14

      @@Thisisausername556 is his channel still private?

    • @fastestfail2645
      @fastestfail2645 Месяц назад +1

      The other guy was a communist that was just a mad soy boy. This guy was politely correcting wendigoon

    • @F_lippy
      @F_lippy Месяц назад +53

      In Praise of Shadows, his channel is still up but his video shitting on Wendigoon “Bad Conservative Horror Movies” is only available in a reupload

    • @CarlosPEnis
      @CarlosPEnis Месяц назад

      I think that other guy had to make that video to join whatever pedo club he's been trying to get into. Like a gang initiation

  • @xxkairzzxx1994
    @xxkairzzxx1994 Месяц назад +617

    You are wrong, the army tried to sabotage the m16 because they wanted to implement the gold scar as it 31 dmg instead of 28.
    Check your sources buddy.

    • @luanthomewagner187
      @luanthomewagner187 Месяц назад +13

      True

    • @V3RTIGO222
      @V3RTIGO222 Месяц назад +17

      That was pre patch though, they updated the damage to 30 and went with the M4 with nude anime girls on it, 50 round drums, and the mega dong foregrip

  • @prettyboyjeremy
    @prettyboyjeremy Месяц назад +443

    Ah, yes, over an hour of pure gun autism I love it

  • @LackLusterMedia
    @LackLusterMedia Месяц назад +97

    We want the 4 hour version, and we want it NOW!

  • @rflett5797
    @rflett5797 Месяц назад +483

    Is it ok to tell people that the forward assist is like the pump on a bb gun and the more times you press the power up button the faster the bullets will go? Asking for a friend.

    • @ChucksSEADnDEAD
      @ChucksSEADnDEAD Месяц назад +79

      Not only ok but advised.

    • @gravemindpenis
      @gravemindpenis Месяц назад +1

      Tell em the bullet has more stopping power and damge too

    • @pablowentscobar
      @pablowentscobar Месяц назад +18

      Yes, you should tell people exactly what it was designed to do.

    • @MajikalCowpoke
      @MajikalCowpoke Месяц назад +25

      The Afghans call it the Sniper button

    • @daviddrago9360
      @daviddrago9360 Месяц назад +5

      I though it was the level up button

  • @geodkyt
    @geodkyt Месяц назад +310

    Slight quibble on the cleaning kit aspect.
    No, the Army didn't have "M16 specific cleaning kits" originally, and they didn't (originally) have butt traps for cleaning kits, either. So the rifles *were* shipped to troops without cleaning kits. And it was the first standard issue rifle in *70 years* that couldn't (in a pinch) use the cleaning kit of the previous rifle, because it wasn't .30 caliber. That means nobody was used to thinking, "Oh, shit, we need to make sure each new rifle gets a cleaning kit shipped with it!"
    *However* ... the proper cleaning brushes, rods, and cleaning patches were *already in inventory* , complete with NSN codes that any supply sergeant could order at will. *If* the supply guys knew the proper numbers (reading through a 1960s NSN catalog blindly to get the *correct* stuff not really being a reliable way to do it).
    Remember, the Army had been using .22LR training rifles for a *long* time by this point - and unless the chamber is actually rusty, you don't really need a chamber brush - but you do need a rod, brush, and patch holder that fits the bore (you can cut .30 patches in half and use them - that's generally what we used in the 1980s because it was easier to have everyone carry .30 patches so the *M60* always had cleaning patches.)
    Which comes to the Colt tech teams, which would come out to your unit (even in Vietnam) and spend a day or so on "train the trainer" and teach NCOs and supply clerks how to maintain and support the rifle beyond how to order more ammo. The NCOs would then reach the troops how to do operator level stuff, and the armored and supply sergeants would know how to do their part, including having a cheat sheet of the proper NSN codes for all the supply needs (spare parts, *cleaning supplies* , etc.)
    Studies of units that *did* take advantage of the offered traveling tech support teams *did not* report the issues that drove the Icord hearings. Nor did those troops believe the rifles were "self cleaning", because they *knew* how to clean them and had cleaning supplies, because *they had been trained* .
    Special Forces units (even those that didn't call in the tech teams) didn't have problems, because even without tech support, the SF Light Weapons Sergeants (minimum of two of them in every 12 man ODA, and usually at least four when you count cross training) could figure it out and damned well *knew* the rifles would need to be cleaned, and figured out how to get the right cleaning supplies.
    You know which units *did* report major reliability issues in Vietnam? The units whose commanders decided they didn't need to call in civilian tech support teams (who were manufacturer reps, remember), and didn't want to "waste" a day or so of training time with "civilians" underfoot. And those are the *same* units where troops though the rifle was "self cleaning" ("Because its all aluminum, right?" while possibly remembering reading that Colt and Armalite had boasted the *gas tubes* didn't need to be cleaned - which is true - while forgetting that they were only discussing the gas tube, not the whole rifle).
    And when I enlisted in 1987, I was *still* seeing Fuddlore cleaning myths about the M16 kicking around from these undertrained units in Vietnam circulating via Rumor Control over beers in the NCO Club. Further reinforced by Fuddlore kicking around from Ye Olde Corrosive Ammo Days, and armorers inspecting M16s as if they were M1903 Springfields issued with bore cleaner solvent and firing corrosive ammo. It was so bad they had to put a line in the operator and armorer's manuals to say, "Quit trying to white glove the rifles! If it will *pass* a white glove, they didn't clean it correctly, and it's not lubricated correctly!"

    • @IvanPrintsGuns
      @IvanPrintsGuns  Месяц назад +101

      I hope I didn't mispeak and say M16 specific kits existed initially - they didn't, but cleaning kits that would work did exist, as you point out.

    • @danielwatters1203
      @danielwatters1203 Месяц назад +34

      Colt had proposed a trapdoor buttstock in late 1963. The USAF didn't see a need for it from their experience so far with the 601 and 602. There were additional. TCC objections over the cost, and the potential delay for delivery of the new 603 and 604.

    • @jl6569
      @jl6569 Месяц назад +3

      Gotta appreciate the guys who lived it.

    • @dorjedriftwood2731
      @dorjedriftwood2731 Месяц назад +6

      Many modern AR users a huge amount brag about how they literally never clean their Ars Crome lined ARs because the gas essentially blows the entire chamber out really legitimately do clean themselves, can get fouled but the violence of the gas from flowing into the chamber can clear snow out of the gun easily and even dust and mud out. Crs firearms proved this that AR 15s are actually more capable of dealing with harsh conditions because the gas enters the chamber due to the gas key interchange. Where the gas In piston gun he gas stays in the piston and doesn’t back flow directly into chamber to the degree that ARs uniquely do.
      I am not autistic about this things I’m not lying but tell me how much I am wrong all you want all you want.

    • @gpheonix1
      @gpheonix1 Месяц назад +2

      @@IvanPrintsGuns at this point should we bother watching wendigoon's video? is there any useful info to grab from his video? Not asking because I'm lazy, j-just asking because I'm on your side.

  • @clintbeastwood3245
    @clintbeastwood3245 Месяц назад +247

    I WANT THE 4 HOURS! WE WANT THE 4 HOURS!

  • @WHO-xi4zp
    @WHO-xi4zp Месяц назад +533

    Calling out Wendigoon and saying gun jesus is wrong. The redditors are gonna have their wife's boyfriends call you a bad word

    • @Calvin_Coolage
      @Calvin_Coolage Месяц назад +121

      I love when e-celeb fanboys assume their e-celeb's ego is as fragile as theirs' so they have to leap to their defense. Thankfully I've seem very little of that on this video's comments.

    • @flopus7
      @flopus7 Месяц назад +36

      I'll go further and say GT is not very knowledgeable about guns and Small Arms Solutions propagates fudd lore at times.

    • @spets4265
      @spets4265 Месяц назад +6

      I go to SAS for his knowledge of working at Colt, and not much else tbqh.

    • @Dirtysouth210210
      @Dirtysouth210210 Месяц назад

      Nice pfp

    • @2Potates
      @2Potates Месяц назад +17

      ​@@flopus7I've come to realize GT's kind of a shill more than anything. SAS has his fair share of problems but he's better than most "experts" out there.

  • @bruceyyyyy
    @bruceyyyyy Месяц назад +146

    #releasethefourhourcut

  • @geodkyt
    @geodkyt Месяц назад +98

    And anyone who thinks the M16 had an especially bad initial start should look at all the engineering changes the M1 Garand (which had ten years of development before adoption) implemented between adoption and the US entering WWII, meaning they could be integrated into production *prior* to US troops taking them into battle in large numbers. Hell, the basis of the entire gas system were changed, from being a Bang gas trap to a gas port design (a decidedly non-trivial change).
    Or they could look at the reliability issues with the M1 and M2 Carbines. We would *never* acceot the malfunction rates the Army thought were fine with the M1 Carbine. Note the M1 Carbine really was a rush project, too.

    • @Appalachia_Ape
      @Appalachia_Ape Месяц назад +4

      The failure rates and accuracy requirement will blow your mind the first time you read about them.

    • @theophileification
      @theophileification Месяц назад +7

      yeah the Germans get a lot of shit for being so stuborn with the Bang system on the G41 Mauser and Walther before they stopped being weirdos and went with the G43. While at the same time, it is often overlooked that the Americans almost did the same mistake. And if they had been under the same dire circumstancees as the Germans, maybe they would have.

    • @tedarcher9120
      @tedarcher9120 25 дней назад +3

      M1 was also sabotaged by the army who wanted their 3006 big boy bullet instead of tiny 280 it was designed for

    • @stepanokhrimenko9189
      @stepanokhrimenko9189 11 дней назад

      ​@@tedarcher9120 Uhm, how is it sabotage? The desire to keep .30-06 beyond providing higher stopping power had a much larger advantage of not providing an additional strain on logistics and manufacturing by integratingg a completely new calibre that no other service weapons used. It kind of worked for M1 Carbine because it had a different doctrinal role and thus at least in theory wouldn't be used as much.

    • @tedarcher9120
      @tedarcher9120 11 дней назад

      @@stepanokhrimenko9189 retaining a 30-06 provided a much bigger strain on logistics as in developing a completely new carbine with a completely new cartridge and magazine and producing millions of them, then again developing a new cartridge with a new rifle again, which with 276 would not have been needed

  • @devendoffing7004
    @devendoffing7004 Месяц назад +98

    I hope nobody thinks this is a hate video. My boy Wendigoon literally asked for people more knowledgeable on specifics to point out the things he got wrong
    Edit: also I wanna just say that just because Wendigoon got some specific stuff wrong about the AR-15 and its procurement, doesn’t mean he is wrong about all the history, which was the main focus of the video. He’s a gun enthusiast yes, but he obviously doesn’t know absolutely everything about the AR-15 platform.

    • @Mate_Antal_Zoltan
      @Mate_Antal_Zoltan Месяц назад +19

      Also, enthusiast =/= expert or professional
      Like for example, I enjoy Battlefield 1, but that doesn't mean that I don't suck ass at the game

    • @devendoffing7004
      @devendoffing7004 Месяц назад +2

      @@Mate_Antal_Zoltan i’m aware. I said that in my initial comment.

    • @0Asterite0
      @0Asterite0 6 дней назад +1

      the entire premise of his vid is wrong

    • @smugwendigo5123
      @smugwendigo5123 5 дней назад

      I mean to be fair if you are going g to make a video about a very specific thing you should have very very very good knowledge of that thing, ir else you get the IGN experience

    • @devendoffing7004
      @devendoffing7004 5 дней назад

      @@smugwendigo5123 i think his video was mainly to discuss how Congress came to the conclusion that it was criminal negligence

  • @geodkyt
    @geodkyt Месяц назад +74

    Rizz 'em with the Tism! 😂

  • @Name-ot3xw
    @Name-ot3xw Месяц назад +88

    A lot of politics started making sense to me when someone pointed out that debate club rules aren't to be right, but to provide a compelling argument while not getting mad at the other team. Not that far removed from RUclips comment thread rules.

    • @javajav3004
      @javajav3004 Месяц назад +19

      You’re wrong and I’m mad at you

    • @Thisisausername556
      @Thisisausername556 Месяц назад

      You are both false and a member of the homosexual community.

    • @F_lippy
      @F_lippy Месяц назад +8

      With some chosen debates you’re purposely given a weak argument to learn how not to give ground or to admit faults to your given side of the debate because then that one little budge will skew an audience against you majorly. It’s why George W Bush has that famous sound bite of “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice… you can’t get fooled again” because he fumbled using that idiom but knew midway he couldn’t be recorded on camera saying “shame on me” because for as insignificant as the actual context of him saying it is, it would be used against him tenfold for any other blunders or mistakes he would make later on. For as much of a clown as some people made him out to be regardless, he knew how to spin his missteps or what pitfalls to avoid. You can admit there’s issues but can’t ever admit that you are wrong.

    • @doc3353
      @doc3353 Месяц назад +8

      @@F_lippy Its such a shame that debates can't simply be about what isa true and what is not true and does have to have a component that is convincing an audience that you're "winning" because debate watchers are too stupid to notice what is happening and see the fallacies.

  • @xX_Grognak_Xx
    @xX_Grognak_Xx Месяц назад +83

    I'M interested in a 4 hour video!

  • @BigPhilsSaws
    @BigPhilsSaws Месяц назад +105

    Let's ask Rittenhouse if he wanted a forward assist on his AR-15.

    • @SmallArmsSolutions
      @SmallArmsSolutions 28 дней назад +10

      LOL😂

    • @timberfallingcouple
      @timberfallingcouple 27 дней назад +3

      ​@SmallArmsSolutions been watching your content for years. Thanks for doing the work you do for us.

    • @theunofficialresults231
      @theunofficialresults231 26 дней назад +5

      Yeah, that scenario could have gone either way. I'm of the Clint Smith school of thought, if a round doesn't want to chamber, what sense does it make to try and jam it in farther? (not blaming the round specifically in this case, just generally in instances of why a round won't chamber) Get that round out if the firearm. Usually that makes clearing the jammed round more difficult.
      Does it take significantly less time to hit the forward assist than rack a new round? Probably depends on which way you train.

    • @themightycrixus1131
      @themightycrixus1131 26 дней назад +1

      I had a jam one time that would have never gotten unstuck without a FA on my rifle. I will always have one on mine for sure.

    • @jarvy251
      @jarvy251 26 дней назад +19

      @@theunofficialresults231 "I'm of the Clint Smith school of thought, if a round doesn't want to chamber, what sense does it make to try and jam it in farther?"
      There are reasons other than a chamber obstruction that might prevent the bolt from going fully home. I had one malfunction where the solution was either 1) Rack un unknown number of perfectly good rounds out of the magazine until the buffer spring could overcome some light grit and magazine spring tension or 2) Hit the forward assist once.
      I went with option 2. I think Clint Smith would want you to have sufficient knowledge of your firearm to asses the state of your firearm and act accordingly, rather than relying on theoretical rules of thumb that you read on the internet. Knowing when you shouldn't AND when you SHOULD use the FA is part of that.
      Also no, the "thumb scallop" didn't work.

  • @seanjarnigan8978
    @seanjarnigan8978 Месяц назад +77

    Jokes aside good job not rage farming. It'd be really easy to scree

  • @buff34x
    @buff34x Месяц назад +128

    Reasons why the forward assist is in fact a good design feature for the modern age, even if it didn't seem as important at the time.
    1: Every night patrol I did in jungles and heavy woods while I was active duty, at least one person in my squad had their charging handle get caught on something pulling the bolt slightly out of battery. Quietly pushing the fa every 15-30 minutes was the easiest and stealthiest manor to ensure our rifles were ready to go. This was with a milspec T handle too, with modern extended T handles the issue is likely more frequent.
    2: Circumstances that cause a reduced bolt velocity when reloading, such as minor ice build up in winter, spring wear, and while an infantryman shouldn't let his rifle get that dirty, carbon build up. In those more rare frequencies the best solution is the fa since slingshotting the bolt doesn't quite get the same force as shooting. Usually in those cases the bolt has enough velocity to cycle when fired, to get to a point you can fire it you need the bolt in battery, which you can easily do with a fa.
    3: Bored troops in the field like to fidget with shit. If we weren't pushing the fa, we were slipping our safeties on and off, or finding something else to toggle. It may sound weird but if you're living outdoors for weeks at a time with no entertainment, you'll make entertainment. Pushing a fa is a far better option than the safety selector, LAM/light switches, or anything else we had on us.
    I've never seen a real person with more than 30 minutes of training use the fa as a jam enhancer like some people try to claim it is. The only time I've seen that is when youtubers intentionally use it wrong to prove a point because it tickles their anti-fa biases. This is also coming from someone who has several ultralight personal builds and a WWSD, but I also understand some extra ounces here and there aren't the end of the world on a fighting rifle for a professional military.

    • @mookiedoeslife5999
      @mookiedoeslife5999 Месяц назад +2

      Was this in Vietnam?? What jungle?

    • @buff34x
      @buff34x Месяц назад +31

      @mookiedoeslife5999 No, mostly the jungles of Hawaii and jungle warfare school in Okinawa. Thick woods in Quantico and Hokkaido had the same effect. Sometimes, it would even happen while just shifting around on patrol in the dessert too, but that was far less frequent.

    • @Stand_watie
      @Stand_watie Месяц назад +3

      Every one of these can be fixed by racking the bolt

    • @Vagabond671
      @Vagabond671 Месяц назад +11

      ​@@buff34x Funnily enough, I encountered this same issue while playing airsoft back when I was a teen here on Guam. Charging handle would occasionally catch while moving through dense jungle and brush. Always wondered how that would effect a real rifle.

    • @user-ue3kx2tl9h
      @user-ue3kx2tl9h Месяц назад +14

      Early 90s, during basic, we had to over clean our rifles (A2s) nearly dry. 5 mile road march with a stop at the obstacle course along the way that ends at the range. Where we had to mag dump until fouling require the fa to be used (like a dozen mags). And drills helping with a rubber mallet and wood dowl to get through 3 or 4 more mags till bolt jammed/fouled so badly we couldn't continue.
      Mallet and dowl deployed to get bolt locked back and rodded off the range. Just to have another drill use a big wooden mallet and loads of clp to help free everything up. Pull the bolt flood of clp and rough nylon brush to craptastically clean the bolt (didn't tear bolt down, all surface cleaning) and back to the firing line.
      Dump three more mags just to prove we "fixed" our m16a2 rifles. Lesson, cleaned and oiled rifles work best, the fa can save your life, and even a rough cleaning and fresh clp will keep it running when you're in the shit. Oh, and tales of m16 unreliability are overblown.
      Never can grasp the number of people who'd pick "or death" when a military gets to the point of a choice between "use your fa, or death".

  • @enraikow6109
    @enraikow6109 Месяц назад +19

    the non-production of the ar15 /10 beltfed lmg was the real crime in the gun's history, so i consider whoever stopped / disagreed on its existence as an act of sabotage by a criminal and their criminal organization.

    • @50_foot_punch99
      @50_foot_punch99 13 дней назад

      one can only wish, alternatively one can make dreams a reality

    • @myusername3689
      @myusername3689 6 дней назад

      @@50_foot_punch99 Look up the Ares Shrike

  • @mr.stotruppen8724
    @mr.stotruppen8724 Месяц назад +27

    Chris Bartocchi is where most of the story of the M16 being sabotaged from within comes from in the guntube sphere, but he never blames the "army" as a whole. He blames Ordnance Corps and Springfield Arsenal.

    • @IvanPrintsGuns
      @IvanPrintsGuns  Месяц назад +17

      In order for what happened to be sabotage, you need a definition for sabotage that includes "made decisions in the past that ended up being not ideal in the present"
      That's just such a tortured use of the term. If you ask me, anyway.

    • @Extremely_Nigh
      @Extremely_Nigh Месяц назад +7

      I watched Full Spectrum's video on the forward assist and lost alot of faith in Chris's version of the M16's history.

    • @danielwatters1203
      @danielwatters1203 Месяц назад +10

      @@mr.stotruppen8724 - One of my contributions to the Vickers Guide AR-15 Vol 1 2nd Ed was mainly written as a rebuttal to Jim Sullivan and Chris Bartocci.

    • @mr.stotruppen8724
      @mr.stotruppen8724 Месяц назад +3

      @Extremely_Nigh
      His Stoner worship goes beyond rational. Man holds the SR-25 as the pinnacle of precision rifle development and refuses to acknowledge its documented shortcomings.

    • @Appalachia_Ape
      @Appalachia_Ape Месяц назад +5

      ​@@Extremely_Nigh same. Just watching the Eugene Stoner tapes that the Smithsonian owns will make you look at Chris and his version of events way differently.

  • @clydecraft5642
    @clydecraft5642 Месяц назад +10

    i love the halo rat in the corner to keep my zoomer attention

  • @JohnNeo19
    @JohnNeo19 Месяц назад +29

    This is the kinda autism I go on RUclips for

    • @Smoketownedc
      @Smoketownedc 28 дней назад +2

      Since when learning is autism 🤦‍♂️

    • @mildly_miffed_man1414
      @mildly_miffed_man1414 2 дня назад

      @@Smoketownedc”since when learning is autism”
      💀 💀 💀

    • @James_Bee
      @James_Bee 22 часа назад

      Eh. It has good sides and bad sides. Autistic folks tend to be very rude about how they deliver their vast knowledge of a subject because they don't understand that normal people can get by relatively well with a general knowledge of many things.
      Also, it's okay to be wrong about trivial issues.

  • @timblack6422
    @timblack6422 26 дней назад +8

    The best presentation I’ve seen on this issue. In the early 80s in Central West Germany - I had M16s in my armory with 4 digit serial numbers, open flash lugs, and several did not have chromed bolts - always wondered about that

  • @RenoMay
    @RenoMay 26 дней назад +8

    Now this is ARtism

    • @bottomtext1241
      @bottomtext1241 10 часов назад

      Holy shit. Reno and LackLuster in the same comment section??

  • @spldrong
    @spldrong 15 дней назад +4

    The forward assist is absolutely necessary

  • @Aaron-fh6hd
    @Aaron-fh6hd Месяц назад +1

    I do appreciate you having a summary in the description.

  • @loganwykstra7922
    @loganwykstra7922 Месяц назад +13

    I think this is the missing chromosome I was looking for

  • @domd5376
    @domd5376 Месяц назад +33

    Came across this randomly not long after enjoying Wendi's take on the adoption issues. It would be awesome to get you 2 in a chatroom to discuss sources and conclusions. I'm sure he'd be down for it as well.

    • @wizard_of_poz4413
      @wizard_of_poz4413 Месяц назад +11

      I don't think it would be much of a discussion because wendigoon is probably self aware that he's an extremely amateur gun person

    • @liamsstudio_44
      @liamsstudio_44 25 дней назад

      @@wizard_of_poz4413factually incorrect, he’s a gun obsessed RUclipsr!!!

  • @rondobrondo
    @rondobrondo Месяц назад +17

    I used the forward assist on my AR literally last week lmao. I accidentally got a sloppy pull back on the charging handle on a mil spec charging handle that is also really wobbly and won't come back in a straight line very easily at all lol, it just gets caught on the edge if you try to just rack it with the side of your hand, and so I didn't pull it back all the way, let go, didn't close completely, smacked forward assist real quick, and bam, back in business

    • @Extremely_Nigh
      @Extremely_Nigh Месяц назад +7

      Eugene Stoner is rolling in his grave over this

    • @spehhhsssmarineer8961
      @spehhhsssmarineer8961 28 дней назад +1

      @@Extremely_Nigh Stone-tards are malding rn

    • @GIGATHEBOT
      @GIGATHEBOT 26 дней назад +1

      Its also useful for every presscheck i make ever

    • @Johndoutry4545
      @Johndoutry4545 12 дней назад +2

      If the bolts stuck towards the rear, you can't disassemble the weapon. The idea of not being able to easily push it forward would be extremely disconcerting for me.

    • @christopherbrice5473
      @christopherbrice5473 7 дней назад +1

      "mil-spec" "sloppy"
      translation: my budget AR has out of spec parts and has never been cleaned forward assist pls save me

  • @Arkantrol
    @Arkantrol Месяц назад +13

    As someone who greatly enjoys Wendigoon's content and is a big fan of his, and even thought that (while flawed) his recent video was overall pretty decent if not entirely accurate, I must say that I greatly appreciate your correction of some of the things Wendigoon either failed to address or just got incorrect.
    This video is well done, and it's clear that you're not trying to attack Wendigoon's character or him personally for his mistakes, and are overall very respectful and professional while providing insightful and educational corrections, as this is information that can understandably be misinterpreted given the complexities and widely held misconceptions of the subject.
    I was worried upon going into this video that it would just be someone nitpicking an argument to attack Wendigoon's character, be petty and/or dramatic, or try to say that nothing Wendigoon every says can be seen as valid. I was happy to see this was not at all the case, and was instead a humble gun autist using the video to correct inaccuracies for the sake of educational insights and historical knowledge, while humoursly being well aware of their own gun-tism for what it is.
    Overall, much respect and appreciation, you've gained a new subscriber from me as someone who's interested in becoming a gun autist as well.

  • @kalui96
    @kalui96 Месяц назад +12

    Professor, will this be on the Final?

  • @Ammo-Musement
    @Ammo-Musement 28 дней назад +6

    drop that 4 hour video, I work 10 hour shifts and would listen to the entire thing

  • @hospitablehentai3337
    @hospitablehentai3337 Месяц назад +13

    Holy shit. I've been watching fuddbusters for a couple years but never realized you had your own channel. Real glad to see

    • @bigsmokeinlittlechina174
      @bigsmokeinlittlechina174 Месяц назад +8

      I honest to God, heard his voice, and thought, "Is he one of the hosts from Fudd Blasters?"

    • @countrytodd4614
      @countrytodd4614 Месяц назад +1

      ​@bigsmokeinlittlechina174 I was sent here from a reddit link, and as soon as I heard the voice I was like wait, and then I saw the spinning rat and I knew I was in safe hands

  • @dfmrcv862
    @dfmrcv862 Месяц назад +1

    Regarding the forward assist, one of my favorite comments on any video was one of Forgotten Weapons doing a mud test on a rifle that had no forward assist and wishing he had one.

  • @bigsmokeinlittlechina174
    @bigsmokeinlittlechina174 Месяц назад +3

    We NEED the 4 hour version ASAP

  • @Mtb9307
    @Mtb9307 27 дней назад +2

    Subbed. Love ya from fuddbusters, a friend told me about this video, would kill to watch a history of AR's from you.

  • @Toactwithoutthinking
    @Toactwithoutthinking Месяц назад +5

    Yeah but were you forced to walk down a dirt path for a few minutes?

  • @monkeychife
    @monkeychife Месяц назад +12

    Ya know this video is a good example of a rule of thumb I have. If the question is government conspiracy or incompetence, it’s probably incompetence

    • @Thomalini
      @Thomalini Месяц назад +5

      "Never attribute to malice what could be explained by stupidity"

    • @SamSam-ih6nt
      @SamSam-ih6nt 28 дней назад +3

      Why not both?

    • @m92quad55
      @m92quad55 26 дней назад +5

      except it's not a good rule. it's naivete based cope

    • @monkeychife
      @monkeychife 26 дней назад +6

      @@m92quad55 I’m sure there will be a day where whatever conspiracy you believe will be proved true and we’ll all say “thanks m92quad55, you’re super awesome!”

    • @m92quad55
      @m92quad55 26 дней назад +2

      @@monkeychife my opinions rely on a combination of personal research and probability. Not consensus of the masses. Keep waiting on your enemies to admit their criminality though. You proved my point and you don't even realize

  • @burtbiggum499
    @burtbiggum499 Месяц назад +12

    I have used the forward assist after firing shit loads of blanks and the bolt got kinda sluggish. Eventually just added more lube when l got the chance and that fixed it

    • @wizard_of_poz4413
      @wizard_of_poz4413 Месяц назад +1

      It's good if you hunt and don't want to have your bolt clang forward and be heard a mile away

  • @DynamiteBigB
    @DynamiteBigB Месяц назад +31

    I didnt ask for an hour and a half long video from Ivan. I'll be damned if i dont sit here and watch all of it though!

  • @barlowjmb
    @barlowjmb 27 дней назад +4

    Does this mean Mom and Dad are going to get divorced? 😢

  • @brockbergquist4593
    @brockbergquist4593 24 дня назад +1

    Thank You! There were so many times in Wendigoon’s video I was saying to myself “that’s not true” or “that’s half right” almost made this video myself

  • @ironraccoon3536
    @ironraccoon3536 Месяц назад +7

    Fascinating video. I'd be interested in hearing more about the M14's adoption.

  • @rondobrondo
    @rondobrondo Месяц назад +2

    Edward Ezell was an unbelievable genius and his output was insane, and it's also insane how much of it has remained so correct, truthful, and influential. I have two of his books, and they are massive and they are DEEP and hard to read sometimes because your head just starts spinning with dates and model numbers and design changes and so on. I have Handguns of the World and Small Firearms, both of which seem kinda hard to find now? But I'm not 100% sure how scarce his books are becoming, but it's a shame that they aren't reprinting this shit like every 5 years

  • @kepofshangri-la8942
    @kepofshangri-la8942 Месяц назад +4

    I've been subbed to you for months and just now triggered the synapse connection to notice that you're the same guy from Fuddblasters.

  • @swiftyytm
    @swiftyytm Месяц назад

    the forward assist is fun to press. it seems to keep me busy when i’m bored and have downtime

  • @T7_H3rbz
    @T7_H3rbz Месяц назад +16

    I'm really glad you made this video I have constantly heard this ball versus stick powder debate pushed, along with the overall narrative of the AR-15 early adoption. Clearly I should have picked up that book a long time ago and actually investigated the sources as opposed to just listening to various "experts" from history channel to RUclips to blogs Etc..

    • @IvanPrintsGuns
      @IvanPrintsGuns  Месяц назад +13

      My interpretations and conclusion shouldn't be taken as the only possible interpretation. It's possible to be more harsh to the Army and DOD than I feel is appropriate, but my background in gun design rough understanding of the political situation make it hard for me to even think negligence is well supported. But the facts are what they are, and it makes sabotage an impossible interpretation.

  • @bigbenis9631
    @bigbenis9631 28 дней назад +3

    So when do we get the 4 hour cut?

  • @Front-Toward-Enemy
    @Front-Toward-Enemy 27 дней назад +11

    The unfortunate truth is that Wendigoons video has substantially more views than this one. And the information presented in his video will be the gun shop fuddlore for the foreseeable future.

  • @beargillium2369
    @beargillium2369 10 дней назад

    Sorry for not finding your channel sooner!
    Like the long format, ready for more.

  • @motozealot5176
    @motozealot5176 Месяц назад +50

    Rare Windigoon miss. I appreciate the autism friends. Now I am more informed

    • @burtbiggum499
      @burtbiggum499 Месяц назад +18

      "Rare"

    • @Hornet135
      @Hornet135 Месяц назад +13

      @@burtbiggum499for example

    • @Trve_Kvlt
      @Trve_Kvlt Месяц назад +15

      @@burtbiggum499 Mald

    • @MajikalCowpoke
      @MajikalCowpoke Месяц назад +7

      Wendigoon was right on target unlike the early AR 15

    • @CertifiedSunset
      @CertifiedSunset Месяц назад +7

      @@burtbiggum499 You got receipts chief?

  • @user-ue3kx2tl9h
    @user-ue3kx2tl9h Месяц назад +27

    You're confusing "the Army" did a thing, with a belief that means the entirety of the Army did a thing. A handful of people, I'll call them Croziers, did set up the M16 to fail. No, they didn't clownshoes their malfeasance, but yes it was sabotage. Subtle in form, still sabotage. The fixes were so easy that the Croziers caused the complete closure of Springfield; the opposite of what they wanted. The A1 was loved by the end of Vietnam, 90%+ loved it.

    • @IvanPrintsGuns
      @IvanPrintsGuns  Месяц назад +8

      Can you define sabotage?

    • @piratewhoisquiet
      @piratewhoisquiet Месяц назад +15

      @@IvanPrintsGuns
      1. The deliberate destruction of property or obstruction of normal operations, as by civilians or enemy agents in a time of war.
      2. The deliberate attempt to damage, destroy, or hinder a cause or activity.
      Is favoritism not deliberate? Did it not hinder the cause of equipping US soldiers with a modern weapon system?
      I'm seventeen minutes in and you've just said "In full context I don't think you can establish a broad scale picture of incompetence... there's not broad level incompetence, certainly not broad level malevolence you would need to establish this to be sabotage" but neither malevolence nor broadness of such is necessary to meet the standard definition of sabotage.
      JSYK I love your work and Wendy's and I think you are both doing good on this, but I don't think Wendy's vid was as slanted as you're giving the impression of so far, and I do think your response might also be slanted just in the opposite direction. I haven't seen it all, and I'm not even saying it's a bad thing, I think between the two of you we the viewer are blessed with both sides of this dispute. Keep up the good work Ivan!

    • @IvanPrintsGuns
      @IvanPrintsGuns  Месяц назад +19

      There's no evidence of sabotage presented, which is a higher bar than malevolence or incompetence, both of which weren't really evidenced (at least not without the omission of facts that show the opposite to be the case)

    • @eisenkrieg553
      @eisenkrieg553 Месяц назад +8

      ​@@IvanPrintsGunsSo what do we call it when someone sabotages themselves? Incompetence?

    • @IvanPrintsGuns
      @IvanPrintsGuns  Месяц назад +15

      Self sabotage and incompetence are different things, and they may overlap, but neither feature in a significant way in this story.

  • @countrytodd4614
    @countrytodd4614 Месяц назад +23

    Who knew that Ivan accidentally doxxed himself as In Praise Of Shadows all along

    • @Excaliwolf2
      @Excaliwolf2 Месяц назад +3

      What does this mean?

    • @wilsoncalhoun
      @wilsoncalhoun Месяц назад +7

      @Excaliwolf2
      RUclipsr named In Praise of Shadows attempted a hit piece on Wendigoon and a number of creators associated with him and failed very badly, mostly because most of his arguments were based on outright lies, half-truths, and his own personal dislike of the goon. He had to leave RUclips for a bit and much trolling was enjoyed by all.

    • @jetabyss13
      @jetabyss13 28 дней назад +3

      ​@@wilsoncalhounHe's also gay.

  • @SiCSpiT1
    @SiCSpiT1 Месяц назад +5

    "Congress Lizards" Thank you, I'm stealing this.

  • @DrSQUIRRELBOY12
    @DrSQUIRRELBOY12 Месяц назад +9

    The Black Rifle and America's Rifle (formerly Black Rifle II) are excellent.

  • @elastigogomez
    @elastigogomez Месяц назад +10

    DROP THE IVAN CUT (4 HOUR REACTION)

    • @littlelittlelincoln
      @littlelittlelincoln 29 дней назад

      ruclips.net/video/Q2NjB-vcv3E/видео.htmlsi=AgP2mgAd5P6jXVZ_

  • @jsbehucbejizveish
    @jsbehucbejizveish Месяц назад +43

    never thought the fosscad community would end up in RUclips drama. I'll be bringing the popcorn

    • @admiralnelson4225
      @admiralnelson4225 Месяц назад +18

      Where have you been? There’s drama every week.

    • @jsbehucbejizveish
      @jsbehucbejizveish Месяц назад +4

      @@admiralnelson4225 not on RUclips very often I guess. I miss being 16 years old waiting for some RUclips drama to go down. I'll enjoy every second of this 🍿🍿

    • @DynamiteBigB
      @DynamiteBigB Месяц назад +3

      @@admiralnelson4225 dang I'm subscribed to a couple and I didn't know of any either.

    • @teabulls
      @teabulls Месяц назад +3

      drama?

  • @GunSperg
    @GunSperg Месяц назад +1

    Can’t wait for the Stoner-Kalashnikov meeting vid

  • @wanta1776
    @wanta1776 26 дней назад +1

    "The commercial market wasn't interested"
    Even in the 60s, fudds were fudds

  • @BenjaminGutheil
    @BenjaminGutheil Месяц назад +1

    Just a little feedback for future videos. You might want to consider putting additional details and side notes at the end of the video. It really takes you out and makes it hard to follow when you start right off the gate with hyper focused details. Especially when it takes like 15 minutes until the actual video starts.

  • @waffel7664
    @waffel7664 Месяц назад +4

    the forward assist was a good change purely because it looks nice :)

    • @nickloven6728
      @nickloven6728 28 дней назад

      Yea personally I don't think it's completely useful, but the AR just doesn't look right without it.

  • @PhantomNoyes
    @PhantomNoyes Месяц назад +1

    I'm looking for that 4hr vid. Would be pretty interesting I'd bet.

  • @mshark8246
    @mshark8246 24 дня назад

    Hey do you plan to do more videos of this style this was really good

  • @skwissgaar_skwigelf_kdz3251
    @skwissgaar_skwigelf_kdz3251 Месяц назад +4

    you know who used the forward assist.... Kyle R

  • @rebralhunter6069
    @rebralhunter6069 Месяц назад +7

    We are very interested in a video on how Stoner and Kalashnikov were able to meet up
    Please do it ratman. Pretty plzz

    • @GaiusCaligula234
      @GaiusCaligula234 Месяц назад +1

      What do you mean "how"?

    • @rebralhunter6069
      @rebralhunter6069 Месяц назад +2

      @@GaiusCaligula234 he was talking about doing a video on the story of how Stoner and Kalashnikov were able to meet and shoot/talk about guns thanks to the author of the black rifle book.

  • @MikePainstill
    @MikePainstill Месяц назад +45

    Why the hell is your video labeled as “important” in my notifications?

    • @IvanPrintsGuns
      @IvanPrintsGuns  Месяц назад +124

      This is the most important thing that's ever happened

    • @MikePainstill
      @MikePainstill Месяц назад +13

      @@IvanPrintsGunsi just realised that RUclips auto subscribed me to you.

    • @IvanPrintsGuns
      @IvanPrintsGuns  Месяц назад +69

      @@MikePainstill woah based YT

    • @fuddblasters
      @fuddblasters Месяц назад +39

      @@IvanPrintsGuns real

    • @cpi3267
      @cpi3267 Месяц назад

      @@fuddblasters i love when you guys talk like two teenager incels , it's very funny.

  • @kevinalmgren8332
    @kevinalmgren8332 4 дня назад

    The horse shoer my mom used as I was growing up was a Vietnam vet. I asked him about the M16 having problems after seeing some history channel trash. He said, “I dunno about all that, but mine worked pretty fucking well.”
    I didn’t ask any follow up questions on that.
    Edit: also, I remember trying to listen to Wendigoon’s video about the North Hollywood shooting years ago. It was painful

  • @jonahlowe7649
    @jonahlowe7649 28 дней назад

    Ivan have you ever thought of doing a belt fed upper? Printed or lost PLA casting either would be fantastic

  • @ParaBellaActual
    @ParaBellaActual Месяц назад +3

    Incredibly interesting, all while using primary sources! 👍🏻
    For all its faults, the US Army has historically had a robust process for small arms procurement, using lots of data to drive decisions, and ultimately leading to very fine service weapons.
    Yes… that includes the M14 🤫

    • @dickc.normous6369
      @dickc.normous6369 Месяц назад

      I'm sorry I couldn't hear you as I was rendered deaf by the ringing of the m14 flash hider

    • @IvanPrintsGuns
      @IvanPrintsGuns  Месяц назад +1

      The M14 isn't fundamentally useless, but as a standard issue rifle as far past the dawn of the assault rifle as it was, it didn't ever really have a chance.

    • @dickc.normous6369
      @dickc.normous6369 Месяц назад

      @IvanPrintsGuns it seems like a gun that's very okay on paper . In theory, it should be fine, but irl it's a pain in all the worst ways

  • @Cipkanikolaj
    @Cipkanikolaj 29 дней назад +4

    RELEASE THE 4H AUTISTIC RAMBLE RN!!!

  • @pablowentscobar
    @pablowentscobar Месяц назад +1

    Yes, I would like to see a video about the time Eugene Stoner and Mikhail Kalashnikov hung out shooting shotguns talking about how much better the AR is then the AK. Duh.

  • @onewanderingbee
    @onewanderingbee Месяц назад +15

    In my experience of his content, any time Wendigoon talks about weapons from a technical standpoint, it borders on fudd lore. He definitely has more facts to call on than Joe Gun Control, but really lacks depth to his knowledge, and this video shows me that its not just technicals - he did not put the work into researching his own video on a gun and was likely pulling mostly from memory and presumption.
    He's a good dude, I like his stuff and the Official Podcast is a good time, but man he has got to put some study in on firearms.

    • @maplemaple1439
      @maplemaple1439 Месяц назад +8

      Good points here. There's entertainers, and then there's informers. Neither are bad, but both have different things to offer. There's a bit of overlap, but wendigoon (and some other names that I dare not say) lean heavily towards the former.

  • @killian9314
    @killian9314 Месяц назад +1

    We all know the M in M16 stands for Mattel!

  • @Supernionra
    @Supernionra 27 дней назад +1

    This is what i was thinking of, Black Rifle 1 and The Great Rifle Controversy are absolutely necessary for this kind of discussion and I'm glad i own both books

  • @rondobrondo
    @rondobrondo Месяц назад +1

    "Hey man if you have guns that cycling so violently and quickly that they are ripping the rim off the cases in the chamber, why don't u just increase that dwUWELL TIIME by adding more time between the gas hole and bullet end by adding more barrel time length man"

  • @Struggle-Snuggle
    @Struggle-Snuggle 6 дней назад +1

    A forward assist saved Rittenhouse's bacon.

  • @thetoneknob4493
    @thetoneknob4493 Месяц назад +2

    my buddy's friend was in veit nam and told us that they could only load 16 rnds in the 20 rnd mags and he swapped the m16 for a m2carbine that he said he ended up loving. he said he could dump a whole mag into a fist size group witch would be a nice attribute despite the bad reputation of not being a one shot man stopper. and if i wer to chose between the early m16 and an m2carbine the full auto carbine would be hard to beat. the Tommy gun always seemed like a great brush gun to me and would also be a good alternative if you could find one. but if i wer choosing one today ide pick the m4. for pretty obvious reasons.

    • @kevinalmgren8332
      @kevinalmgren8332 4 дня назад

      The Thompson is just huge and heavy. It’s easier to control than people like to claim, but it is absolutely enormous and heavy.

  • @DeplorableBitterClinger
    @DeplorableBitterClinger Месяц назад +1

    We also want the 4 hour video.

  • @DOKDiablo
    @DOKDiablo Месяц назад +1

    Please release the full 4 hour video

  • @DeadOfMind
    @DeadOfMind Месяц назад +2

    As an @wendigoon viewer, i hope he sees this. This has been a quite informative video and i think he would benefit greatly from watching your video. Thank you for this information.

  • @amaricani
    @amaricani 29 дней назад +3

    Please for the love of god give me the 4 hour version

  • @benjaminnickerson3961
    @benjaminnickerson3961 Месяц назад +7

    When RUclips recommended me Wendigoon's video I figured it was either going to tell me things I already knew or would frustrate me because I haven't seen him do firearms content, so I just scrolled past...

    • @Nathan-jh1ho
      @Nathan-jh1ho 11 дней назад

      I only knew of him because of some leftist RUclipsr slandered (in the moat agergous yet lazy manner possible) bunch of people I watch in attempt to cancel Wendigoon via guilt by association

  • @rogersmothers7435
    @rogersmothers7435 Месяц назад

    My heart is filled with joy

  • @rondobrondo
    @rondobrondo Месяц назад +1

    I WANT THE 4 HOUR PLAY BY PLAY

  • @davidhernandez9985
    @davidhernandez9985 26 дней назад

    Yooo Ivan, welcome-back to the grid!

  • @autonomousdefense
    @autonomousdefense Месяц назад +1

    Well, this getting more nuanced.

  • @americankid7782
    @americankid7782 Месяц назад +2

    I think he should take a look at this video honestly. He seems like the kind of guy to genuinely consider criticism like this.
    I hope that that the more annoying parts of his fanbase don’t get angry about this and I would like to apologize on behalf of the people that will leave mean comments regardless.

    • @lonlywolf223
      @lonlywolf223 25 дней назад +1

      Wendigoon is very open to criticism (he closes his vid on the m16 asking for criticism) and the fanbase is on the most part very welcoming ( But also on edge i would say, bc Wendigoon got targeted a fiew times)

  • @frankbevibin5991
    @frankbevibin5991 24 дня назад

    I knew this was coming the second I watched wendigoons video, I’m invested now

  • @off6848
    @off6848 Месяц назад +3

    Nah “psychological” benefits of forward assist is crazy

    • @IvanPrintsGuns
      @IvanPrintsGuns  Месяц назад +8

      Imagine you're in complete darkness, can't risk turning a light on, and have to get a round chambered. Maybe you've got a calibrated enough pinky to feel if the front shoulder of the carrier is all the way forward, but if you're also cold or wet, this probably won't work. Wouldn't you prefer to have a way to ensure the bolt is definitely all the way forward?

    • @halogod0298
      @halogod0298 Месяц назад +1

      Maybe if you can’t think in the abstract, but it makes perfect sense to literally everyone else

  • @piratewhoisquiet
    @piratewhoisquiet Месяц назад +1

    Wendigoon/Ivan collab when?!

  • @imfurrytrash6769
    @imfurrytrash6769 Месяц назад +1

    Honestly great video. Maintained a respectful attitude (unlike some RUclipsrs) and clearly layed out your thoughts as well as counter evidence.

  • @brianzimmerman4837
    @brianzimmerman4837 Месяц назад +1

    I think my biggest gripe with the video is just how many people don't understand how terminal ballistics work. M193 is fantastic because it yaws, deforms, and fragments consistently when pushed past 2500fps. There's no special magic to it, NATO just didn't have a chance to fuck it up yet.

  • @dstrkt.cs2
    @dstrkt.cs2 26 дней назад +3

    Glad to see that wendigoon viewers (i am one too) aren't the type to attack someone for a fact filled debunk. We all seem to hate slander though.

    • @bottomtext1241
      @bottomtext1241 10 часов назад

      We respect him enough to not make him look bad. And when he's wrong about something he's more than capable of explaining himself.

  • @PlastikGatz
    @PlastikGatz Месяц назад +1

    I love Wendigoon and Ian but I trust Ivan's judgement and knowledge about the AR-15 platform any day of the week over them

  • @deleteduser3455
    @deleteduser3455 12 дней назад

    The forward assist is actually good because sometimes the gun jams slightly and you hammer it home

  • @IllD.
    @IllD. Месяц назад

    Hell yeah. Thanks for the content!

  • @rondobrondo
    @rondobrondo Месяц назад +2

    @21:51: US gets no Wunderwaffen and fails every attempt
    hey we've gotten pretty close to some of those wunderwaffen designs these days lmao

  • @anthonyioane4438
    @anthonyioane4438 Месяц назад

    This is a great video, haven't watched wendigoons video but small arms solutions videos.