How I Broke the Local CTAF !
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Pilots learn from the earliest days of their training the importance of proper use of the aircraft radio. Making position reports at non-towered airports is important for everybody's situational awareness. A number of midair collisions over the last couple of years highlights the necessity of good communication near airports where multiple aircraft can be occupying the same airspace.
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That's what you do at uncontrolled airports. Keep doing what you're doing.
I've had far too many unpleasant surprises that could have been avoided with simple position calls.
Airports are made for departing and arriving, not going in circles. Go to the practice area, get dialed on stalls and slow flight, and you’ll land like a pro.
That radio sheriff on the ground complaining is an idiot.
Keep reporting your position is the legal and airmanship way to go
Legally, you do not need to make any radio calls at all or even have a radio onboard.
What he is doing is much smarter though.
Thanks, I have no intentions of changing the way I use the radio.
You're doing exactly the right thing. You never know when a new airplane might tune in to the CTAF, and have no idea who is around. I am a CFI, and, while I don't beat them up about it, whenever I'm with a student in the pattern, I point out every call they don't make.
Yes there are always aircraft inbound from a few miles out who should be listening, it's my chance to establish which runway is in use. Thanks for the input.
From an FAA
"Tune and verify radio frequencies before entering the airport traffic area.
• Monitor the correct Common Traffic Advisory Frequency (CTAF).
• Report position 10 miles out and listen for reports from other inbound traffic.
• At a non-towered airport, report entering downwind, turning downwind to base,
and base to final."
That guy can pound sand. Ive had enough close calls from pilots that don't announce, I'd rather hear the calls and have some idea where traffic is.
Position reports seem fundamental. If he doesn't want to hear position calls, he can turn off his radio. Over-communicate to avoid issues rather than under-communicate and lead to complacency. They're probably some sort of troll with a scanner who doesn't fly.
Agreed !
Keep up the good radio calls. Sounds like the jerk on the radio wasn’t a pilot or received poor training.
Sure didn't sound like a pilot.
I fly out of an uncontrolled airport. 45+ years as a pilot. You are doing everything correctly. Nice flying!
Thanks, I appreciate your input!
My response would have been " Your the reason Pilots die in, In Pattern Crashes."
I wish I'd been quick-witted enough to think of that! Thanks for watching !
Me and the radio cop would have had a good talk when i landed, you are doing exactly what a safe pilot does great job .
I have almost had three mid air’s do to pilots like the one that came on the radio 🤯
Your callouts on the CTAF are totally in order and essential for the situational awareness for every pilot who might be in the area of or approaching the airport. Keep flying safe!
I agree Wes. Been flying much?
Amazing how many people think their certificate says Air Traffic Controller on it.
I don't understand it.
Whoever that was on the radio is wrong. Self announce and do your thing my friend!
Keep up the radio chatter. I've never complained about having a better mental picture about what is going on. This coming from a pilot at a small town airport. Beautiful Kitfox by the way. Thanks for sharing.
We used to fly MD80s in and out of uncontrolled airports, and in VMC we'd have the CTAF on the #2 radio about 15 miles out to make and hear traffic calls. We really appreciated position reports by traffic in the area. There's nothing quite like one of those "Where'd HE come from!?" moments to spike the adrenaline as you're turning downwind to base with a previously unknown airplane in the mix.
Keep doing what you're doing, lest two airplanes try to occupy the same space at the same time.
Yes, or my pet peeve: "Which runway is in use?" If they'd just listened for a mile or 2 they'd already know.
It all seems so simple when it's done the correct way.
@@ParadiseHGThis, or my personal annoyance ‘any traffic in the pattern please advise.’…particularly ridiculous with 2 or 3 in pattern that have been making great calls, as you do here.
that guy probably makes no calls and expects you to read his mind while he shoots a 20 mile straight in and you'd better be out of his way.
I would have started reporting my rollout, my exit from the runway, my parking at the tiedown, my pulling up to the pumps, etc. "That's why pilots don't like listening to the radio?" It's not entertainment. It's for safety. I would rather have too many position reports than none at all, as some do. The only one using the radio incorrectly was that guy.
My sentiments exactly!
Hey Scot!
Nice KitFox. You were totally in the right with your position calls in the pattern.
Please keep doing what you’re doing. The other fool on the radio was totally in the wrong.
Thanks, I really enjoy flying the Kitfox. Frankly, I found his radio transmission to be amusing !
Strange reaction on the ground but indeed, we at our uncontrolled airport typically report downwind and final. Nothing more.
You walk a higher road than your critic. Anything legal and reasonable that improves safety, regardless of the feelings and opinions of others, is noble and please continue. Those wishing not to hear position reports at an uncontrolled airport can turn their volume down or the power switch on their coms off.
Years ago I was shamed by a flight school director in a news letter for keeping a landing light on after landing and while taxiing due to men on the taxiway during a chaotic construction project. That school lost tens of thousands of dollars from me as a former renter and future instructor there. I tolerate not the arrogance and disregard for safety.
Interesting story you have there. I don't understand a lot of people.
Wow what a coward for not identifying themselves. You made correct calls to ensure the best situationally awareness for all traffic in the vicinity.
You are doing the correct thing. However, in certain areas, like here in Central Texas where we have 6 or more close-by airports with active training operations all sharing the same CTAF frequency, it is necessary to abbreviate the callouts by not announcing the N number and repeating the “airport traffic” at the end of the callout, eg. “Mumford traffic, Kitfox turning downwind”. Technically not perfect, but correct for the sake of safety so as to allow air time for all the traffic.
yes that is exactly why I make the calls brief and only at the important times.
Some old dude got a little short with me on the radio because I made my clear of runway call after he started his takeoff roll. Like bruh it’s not my fault you’re impatient af. I’m just doing what I was trained to do. Making the call when I cross the threshold.
I'll typically only call out downwind and final, BUT if someone is entering the pattern I will call every leg until they get a visual on me.
Thanks for the input.
You want to make enough calls to let those with radios know where you are at, and what you are doing, but just as important is to not “hog” the frequency. Remember radio calls can go many miles and other airports within that range can be using the same CTAF. You might be stomping on them even though you don’t hear them. Takeoff, downwind, final are usually enough, add crosswind, base if traffic dictates.
COMMON TRAFFIC ADVISORY...Please keep making position calls as per Advisory Circular for CTAF
Wouldn't be surprised if its some kid working at the FBO using the radio and acting like he is ATC
You. Did. Fine. Screw that guy. Period.
This must be an old video. I see the A/W date is Jan of 2021. I agree regarding the calls. You were on top of it. I do make an additional call if I’m holding short as another aircraft is landing; let’s them know I see them and awaiting their landing. My current ride is a RANS S-19, but I owned N2280J KITFOX IV SPEEDSTER for about 7 years, 2010 till 2017. I miss my KITFOX. I sold it to an Icelandic Airline pilot who’s taking good care of it. I was building the RANS when I sold the KITFOX. I felt it was too much of a distraction 😊👨✈️.
Do you like your Rans better than the Kitfox?
That's just nuts. I fly out of an even smaller town Airpark and we all make all the position reports. Anybody that doesn't gets a firm talking to from the Airpark owner. If someone doesn't like talking or listening to the radio I suggest they keep their plane in the hanger.
I agree, we aren't listening to the radio for entertainment, it's vital safety information.
You were fine, good job.
Keep doing what you are doing. You are correct. That other pilot complaining is completely wrong. Nice airplane and pilotage! Keep up the good work! Fly safe
Good radio calls besides the confusion between crosswind & downwind. It’s the same calls that I make.
Thanks for the input.
Beautiful tail dragger! I just flew into KIMM for the first time this past week.
Thanks ! KIMM is great.
You did it correctly!
I 100% appreciate you always calling your position at an untowered airport. That guy is a clown
The only time that less reporting would be appropriate would be if the sheer volume of traffic were causing excessive simultaneous transmissions... otherwise, more is safer.
100000% continue to make position calls. Screw that guy.
I’ve witnessed near midair’s at uncontrolled fields because of people not talking. I fly a citation sovereign out of an uncontrolled field and we make all the calls. Keep up the professional airmanship! F that guy
Midairs have been happening even when people are talking, so I'd rather err on the side of safety by making the calls.
@@ParadiseHG100%
In the UK we call it "good airmanship". Ok you probably make more blind calls than I would but nothing at all wrong with that. I wonder if the other radio was in the sky or on the ground? Without any traffic calls from them we can't tell...
Funny, there was just a fatal collision in a pattern reported on the Blancolirio channel between a CAP Cessa and some plane that apparently didn't announce its position (or listen) on CTAF at an untowered airport. Maybe he should have been more like this guy.
lol, in the world of amateur radio, there are people just like this…..hey, you’re tying up the repeater. We like it quiet! Lol
Wait a minute... The KF guy "is the reason pilots don't like to listen to the radio" yet the guy on the ground has his radio turned on so he can listen to the traffic on the radio?
Yes it seems like a bit of a contradiction doesn't it?
The whole point of position announcements are for situational awareness as there are no tower or radar services. I've seen plenty of "close calls" happen even when pilots are announcing. It is our duty as proficient pilots to keep ourselves and our fellow pilot safe via these calls. Keep us the good work!
Well done. Ignore the haters.
Wow! Unbelievable! Scot, on behalf of every other pilot in the world, please let me apologize for the jerk that called you out. I watched a video of a careful, meticulous, professional pilot doing EXACTLY what he was supposed to be doing at an uncontrolled airfield. The jerk on the ground is probably not even a pilot. I'm glad you "ignored" the advice....good for you. Awesome airplane and Happy Flying!!!
Just make sure you’re where you say you are. No need for the X-wind calls. Inbound aircraft will hear your down and made calls.
During the upwind xwind legs your focus is on engine failure more than radio calls.
Blue skies.
Can't wait to read the other pilot's NTSB report. Some people!
That guy can kick dirt. Stick to your own high standards and the rules set forth to you by the FAA and personal limitations. I'm not sure when a "small town airport" fell under different standards than any other airport... SMH. Safe Flying!!
Ignore the guy he was wrong. You did it all right. It's best to know who is in and around the traffic pattern to help see and avoid.
You were 100% in the right. Please keep doing what you are doing as that is how it is supposed to be. Ignore that idiot. CFI here.
Should have told him to take a flying leap at a rolling donut.
I agree with everyone else here. The A-Hole that popped off at you is dead wrong and I would have wanted to have a 'chat' with him on landing. And there's not a pilot alive who hasn't occasionally mis-spoke a position in the pattern. You look like you're having fun with the Fox. Hope you get many hours of enjoyable time in it.
Thanks for the support !
I had to get my laptop for this. Let me tell you about your radio calls: they're concise, they're timely, and they're informative. In other words, they're perfect. I bet you're religious in using checklists, too. Good job. Making calls avoids midairs. Make those calls.
Yeah you do. If I’m in or approaching that pattern, I need to know where to look for you. The guy who jumped on the frequency to school you there is an idiot. A LACK of position reports would get me to ask you where you were in the pattern. You did right.
Are crosswind calls necessary? Was it the crosswind call, plus the erroneous crosswind call, that triggered his ire?
Yep, ignore the idiots. Don’t engage them. Or say “unidentified person making an improper call on CTAF, stop transmitting, you are interfering with and endangering air traffic, and continued activity on this channel will be reported to the FAA and FCC”
The background music is too loud and distracting.
Is that guy suggesting pilots listen to their radios NOT to hear anything?
Interesting he didn't identify himself or give a tail number...
The other pilot when someone uses the “Common Traffic Advisory Frequency” to make “Common Traffic Advisories”: 🤯🤯🤯
For real though, what if that was a student in the pattern, then what? They’re gonna be afraid to use the radios because of the fear of being “annoying”? Kick rocks
Well, he’s partially true. If no one‘s been on the radio in quite some time, I find it unnecessary to make noise and call every single position. It is obvious if you’re on the downwind that you’re going to be on the base then the final. For example, it’s not completely necessary to call the base if you’ve already called the downwind and plan to call final. I hate unnecessary rambling stuttering radio, clutter, in busy and unbusy airspace.
When did pilots start using color and type instead of registration and type on CTAF.
Because the other people in the pattern can’t see and don’t care about your registration.
Their eyes are outside looking for a green Archer or a white Kitfox or a yellow cub.
I prefer to hear type and color in the non-towered pattern. It gives me more information in less time.
That’s great for the less common types but not so great if most are flying a “white Cessna.”
Sounded like good radio calls to me. I believe Captain FCC there failed to identify himself when making his unnecessary and unofficial use of the CTAF frequency.
Keep doing your radio calls. If someone ever told me that, I’d ask them to leave a phone number so I can have a chat with him about the correct usage of position reports and make it clear that I planned to follow the minimum requirements and best practices.
I like how they failed to identify themselves or their location wtf
WOWWWW. What a colossal jerk! I wish I had been on radio to defend you, unreal. Keep making those calls. The reason those guys don't make radio calls is because they are dangerous fools
Should have stated callsign?
😊
Ignore that complainer on the ground. If he doesn't like hearing radio calls, he has no business being on the radio and should just shut his radio off. Also, he's actually interfering with flight operations and should be reported to the FAA.
Nah keep it up
Thanks ! That's what I did !
Wow… that guy is completely wrong. And he should stay off the radio, not you. His radio call was inappropriate.
The radio is for safety, not listener enjoyment. Maybe he needs to listen to podcasts.
Well stated, thanks for the feedback.
Your pic make the calls
You are doing right, this guy have it all wrong.
So wrong. I fly out of KHEG, Herlong Recreational, radio calls are expected and taught at the local flight schools.
I'm not a pilot, just an individual interested in aviation. I live 3.0 NM from my local airport. I have the CTAF frequency on my scanner and I hear private jets in the middle of the night, with zero traffic in the pattern given their position. The same goes for the local Medevac helicopter. The individual who chimed up with the ignorant advice, tells me one thing: they're a lousy pilot.
You didn’t do anything wrong. The idiot that scolded you puts lives at risk by not doing the same.
The guy on the radio is a moron. I fly a helicopter out of an uncontrolled field and communication is KEY. I once had a FW pilot fly over me while I was on final! I caught his shadow and slipped over to ensure a miss but was furious as hell. On the ground I asked the guy “What the heck?” and his response was…”Radios ruin flying.” I told him dying ruins it as well.
Had the opposite at an uncontrolled field, doing a touch & go with my CFI. Called out downwind, base and final on the CTAF, but a helicopter decided to cross the runway right in front of us, and take off. Never heard the guy on frequency either. Oh well, practise the go-around as well I guess 😊
Lol I would have made twice the calls after that. Grounded crybaby can beat it.
I'm not a pilot, and have no true right to comment this. But from what I would imagine, it would be better to make too many radio calls and be on the safe side than make too few. You don't know what traffic is around/just tuned in.
Another Karen. Ignore it and go on.
OMG this guy is so wrong,incorrect, and unsafe!! He needs to take a remediation class!!
Agreed!
lol! What a tool. Next time, tell him you are transmitting because of noise abatement issues.
When he asks why Noise abatement tell him….
Because two airplanes colliding make a lot of noise.
The heckler is right. I spend 4-8 hours a day airborne, and you people drive me nuts. Look out the window, and quit yammering. Experienced aviators know that less is more, and every time you lean on that mic switch, you are diverting peoples’ attention from their own tasks, while also jamming up the freq, preventing other pilots from resolving traffic conflicts real-time.
When you drive your car through a parking lot, do you lay on the horn?
I know this is rage bait but please, for the safety of everyone else in the skies, turn in your pilot certificates and never touch an aircraft ever again.
@@Darthvader-oc5tp 16000hrs down. Hope to make 20K before I think about slowing down. Where you at, Mr Smarty Pants?
You DO need to make position reports while in the pattern. Who ever said that to you is a complete ass, and is the reason mid air collisions can and do happen..
I mean, add all the funky sound effects you want but at an untowered airport you’ve already let other pilots know you’re in the flight pattern and no one cares to hear that much tbh
It would probably be safer to make radio calls at an untowered airport assuming an inbound aircraft just tuned in after your last transmission.
Stick to boating please 😮
Wrong, you always make calls for position at non towered airports even if you're the only one in the pattern.
3:27 - I would disagree! Keep making those radio calls, It's the only way other pilots know where you are and what your intentions are. Especially at the 'small town airports' where I've found some pilots take it for granted they are alone and don't need to make position reports.