This is Microsoft's canceled Andromeda OS on a Lumia 950
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- We take a look at Microsoft's canceled Andromeda OS project, which was originally developed for the Surface Duo when it was codenamed Andromeda, before they decided to go with Android.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
02:42 Lockscreen & Cortana
05:27 Journal
07:27 Start & Gestures
09:32 Misc
11:01 Dual-Screen Demo
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Windows Phone/Mobile is still the best phone UI I have ever used.
Agreed! I enjoyed it thoroughly. Just wish the apps would have been there.
Most disagree
Palm's webOS and Windows Phone were two great phone UI and both were victims of bad product management and ecosystems.
@@TommyCrosby And interesting part, both UX eventually "ported" over to another OS or inspired from. Many of the cards UX on Android were more inspired from WebOS especially like the multi-tasking UI.
Windows Phone/10 Mobile. We we obviously got it on PC. But this Andromeda OS later got into Windows 10X which is also shelved and then now in Android as well.
The Live Tiles sadly didn't live through Windows 11, well there is Widgets but we are just stretching the limit of similarities. Funny thing, iOS and iPadOS has a close similarities now with Live Tiles, so it now lives on Apple systems, not in Windows. Very similar in layout, design and interactions.
Windows 11 Widget is just more of a copy of macOS style of Widgets and Google page on Android Home screen. But as of current state, not as flexible as Live Tiles and less visible.
The typography UI of Metro Design sorts lives on as an inspiration on OneUI of Samsung devices. The built in apps with large text on the home page is very reminiscent of Metro.
Absolutely agree!
I had a Lumia for a period of time and I enjoyed the windows experience. Historically the entire family had very good cameras-much better than other when they were around.
They were good phones. Great audio, great durability and battery life. Unique industrial and software design, responsive screen.
The only thing was the sparse app store. If they had just been a couple of years earlier I feel like it would still be here.
same, i had a plastic backed 525, it was just a nice little phone and Windows had something good going for it, complete shame they canned it.
@@StephenYuan Absolutely agree! And I don't think they helped by changing the OS around so much - made it difficult for the devs to keep up. This made me all nostalgic, just booted up my old 930, that was a tank!!
I absolutely loved the transitions in Windows phones. Made everything feel so fluid and just visually pleasing. One tap on an App and everything around it would just elegantly fall away. I've never seen an Android OS flavor that comes even close to it.
@@_wrl_ i agree the tile transitions were nice
I say it all the time, I'm gonna say it again, Microsoft with their Windows Phone os(s) were really ahead of their time. It's sad that no one really saw the potential.
People saw the potential. MS has been screwing everything up since Gates left.
They saw it. That's why they went out of their way to ruin it as quickly as possible.
@well some of it was their fault but most of it was fate. Developers weren't interested and Google didn't want any of their apps on windows.
Where they went wrong is by creating a locked OS like ios
people wanted it. i wanted it but not without the apps i craved to have on a prhone... android had those apps so i abandoned windows phones
I really do hope later down the road Microsoft comes back to this to make a windows 11 phone especially since they’re planning on adding android support on windows so the apps will be there
They have a bad reputation for mobile now and burned too many people over the years.
@@ChimpRiot The more we say that the worse it gets. I would say: Give them a chance if it comes out. If it is good: Great, if not: do not use it.
@@ContinuumGaming Yes but Microsoft keeps on cancelling these devices because of the fear that it's gonna fail. If it is gonna fail they are gonna lose a lot of money.
Windows phone are still the best I just keep going back to them best UI please Microsoft bring it back since windows 11 is now very light compared to windows 10
@@ContinuumGaming I wanted it to succeed. I was there with WP7 that stopped receiving updates very soon after purchasing - once WP8 released. I decided to upgrade and we had so many unfulfilled promises. Microsoft prioritised the iOS platform for key apps and then abandoned WP altogether. The Surface Duo looked exciting but they have let down owners with barely any software updates or bug fixes. Foldable screens have won out over dual screens so Microsoft will abandon it.
I loved my windows phones. I miss using them. I still have them. I use them for extra cameras now
I hope Microsoft released an android version to still support those old lumia
I do the same buddy
Hope they get it back miss my windows phone too...
@Temmie Flakes stop talking shit!!! How does google services kill the performance!? The Qualcomm snapdragon chip in this phone was design to run android and all the features around it.
Even the Lumia 920 holds up ok as a dedicated camera. Glad I still have mine laying around. I still use the wireless charger it came with on my S21 Ultra.
It's amazing to read all of the comments and how everyone misses Windows mobile. I think there needs to be a 3rd mobile OS aside from iPhone or Android. I don't care if Microsoft, Blackberry, or Samsung made it. I would be nice to have more choices is all I'm saying.
Closest option today is sailfish os
@@FabioRBelotto Thanks. It actually looks pretty neat!
Samsung tried with their Tizen OS. Samsung used it on lower end model phone and it worked really great. Sadly it failed. One of the phone running Tizen OS is Samsung Z2.
I guess if they made a port of Tizen OS for higher end model phones to show its full potential, it might had a chance.
Yeah mainly android Vs iOS, the other os are android without the GMS
there is Huawei's Harmony OS, which is just android with extra steps
I had a Lumia and i really enjoyed using it. If they again come up with a windows phone I would buy it.
Mmhhmm, same. ✨
I m also waiting.. done with this android now. I always had WP.
If they go back to the roots of windows phone, definitely. If they make it less metro and more complicated, not sure. I liked the simplicity and features that were there really worked well. When they started developing more stuff, they lost the main idea imho.
This makes me miss my windows phone, sure Android has the app support but it lacks the responsiveness and cleanness of Microsoft's UI :(
I miss my windows phone too but android isn't the unresponsive crap it used to be. Provided you have a decent device, even midrange phones UX is fluid and responsive.
@@dxle_w I personally liked that windows phone had a consistent design across all apps. Thats something Android does not have.
May be get an iPhone … just saying 🥸
@@codrutx Not with all apps but most apps I use seem to have consistent interfaces since material UI was introduced years ago. There are very few apps I can find (once again, apps that I use) that fall out of consistency.
windows has been garbage for 20 years, but rectifying is wise
Windows 10X was already a great iteration of this concept. Would have been interesting to see on the Duo
Jep, that would have been a very interesting device :).
It's a shame developers didn't back this OS. I really liked my windows phone but many apps I used were just not there :(
It's MS's fault for giving up so early. An increasing number of devs would've jumped on board. It just needed time. Win10 on phones was nice.
The biggest developer is Google and they don't
@@anj1300 Yes, Google sabotaged it, e.g. the community made RUclips app, when Google didn't want to make own. Keep in mind, that the mobile web version of RUclips didn't work well at the time (e.g. Google took time to implement ads so videos with ads weren't played).
Developers was not the problem,. MS was the problem
I wanted to learn windows phone development but it didn't work with windows home edition, it wanted windows professional for installing development platform.
Imagine if Andromeda OS was made around the time of the first generation iPhone, if Microsoft actually took Apple's revolutionary device seriously.
Imagine Andromeda OS was made in 1995
The case was too difficult. They were stuck with many enterprise users still using Windows Mobile/CE on PDA's and PDA phones. They couldn't just drop them. They tried with skins like on the HTC HD2, but that was too late already since Android was announced as well.
I think the main thing about the first iPhone was the hardware. The screen and multi touch support. The OS was barebones and wasn't really a big deal that time.
@@AninoNiKugi No, it really was the OS. Multitouch was something others had as well. Palm f.e. Capacitive touch screen might have been an experience thing, but they weren't the first with that. Also it didn;t support 3G while in many places HSDPA was available. The hardware wasn't anything special really.
But an OS you could use with just your fingers, and wasn't complicated like the existing PDA phones, that was a new thing. The only alternative that was more open were skinned Windows Phone phones, Blackberries (that didn't have touch screen and required BB services) and Symbian UIQ (that still required a stylus).
@@djoetma Well the fact that it was easy to use with touch is because of the capacitive touch screem. The OS didn't really bring anything innovative. Maybe just the multi touch controls like pinch to zoom?
You can't install apps, you can't set a wallpaper, you can't copy/paste, and a lot more things you can't do that you can already in the existing mobile OS at that time.
The old windows phone UI was really awesome and so much futuristic back then, It had all the modern elements we currently have now. it was pretty much ahead of its time, the only flaw it had was apps on its Appstore but even that they was going to fix by implementing a android emulation but unfortunately they ended it.
Also they slowly removed different apps from their phones - there was Photo managing, Health, travel, etc. apps that were actually good, but Microsoft killed them off to save few bucks.
Also there are apps on Windows Phones, that had better and more responsive design than their versions on Android today.
It was so smooth too, I had a cheapo Windows phone and it ran so much better than an Android cheapo by a long mile.
I remember being a part of the beta test for Windows 10 Mobile, and the reason they removed the Android subsystem, which allowed for Android apps to run, was because it would cause the operating system to get extremely slow with time. I don’t know the exact technical reasoning for it, but those builds then were basically unusable after a week or two if you didn’t factory reset.
@@Mendaz I remember how laggy the portable version of apps like Instagram and Facebook was on W10M. By the way, even the system smoothness on W10M decreased compared with WP8 on native smartphones (maybe some work by Microsoft should eliminate this problem).
I miss my Lumia Phone. I had the Lumia 1020. The best phone at that time.
agree. I had one and was awesome. Everyone ridiculed the camera bump and now every phone has one. The pictures it took were incredible. Miss Windows Phones.
Seems like a similar gesture concept to that of Meego Harmattan. Looks so nice, such a shame MS abandoned the mobile OS race...
Yeah I mean they put tons of resources into it and just keep failing.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 they did but they ultimately had to put more in. They needed to pay developers to actually put apps onto windows mobile because it had a vicious circle of no apps so no users so no apps so no users. They had to bite the bullet and just pay companies to develop apps for Windows mobile and they didn't do enough of that
@@vsEnjoi and compare how much they spend on xbox
yes
especially when it comes to gesture control, its similar to meego in n9
Wow, i cant belive how good this unfinished UI looks. I wish windows mobile was still around today as an actual competetor to IOS and android, i sure as hell would of loved to see that
Loved my 950. Just a shame nobody took to it. Still have mine somewhere, but the battery died and I couldn't find a decent replacement
Polarcell are good replacements
samee...i loved how it had slow-mo, 60 fps and 4k recording back in 2015
@@msalmanism Nokia/Microsoft phones always had a lot of features way before apple etc, but we're terrible at advertising it.
They're like Sony are now 😆
The Windows Phone home screen was way superior to Android and iOS. Instead of a clutter of identical icons that you can put in folders everywhere, you could resize elements and move them around to make it logical and productive for you. Very underrated and it felt like a massive downgrade when I went over to Android.
Oh boy, this is going to be good!
I'm not being funny but it looks awesome! I actually like the large clock display. I would definitely buy it - It would be a perfect phone for work! I even like the look of the design on those Lumias.
It's so weird seeing Windows 10 Mobile apps and UIs alongside shadows. While it's interesting to see what Andromeda was, I don't think I'd personally want to use it unless there were a mode to make it more like a standard Windows Phone/10 Mobile experience as I like the tiles being the home screen.
I’ve owned lumia 1020 for 2+ years and my experience with windows mobile was excellent in terms of smoothness and the phone ran like new even after at the end of my usage. Sadly the lack of app support did get to me and I’ve moved back to android. It’s a shame, seems like a lot of people have enjoyed windows mobile.
A Lumia 950 in blue with dark zirconium buttons and pen support! 😍 Microsoft there was no need to nerf the 2015 flagship phones! 😡
Windows phone will always be my favourite OS because I can go about my entire day doing stuff from MY PHONE, not in some random Dev's app. Forever sad to see it go
This was really interesting, thanks for sharing. I would definitely have given it a try!
How many more operating systems like this were made and than cancelled , this could have been a very different world
It would have been the world I would've loved to live in.
I miss Windows Phone. I still have my 920 (White)
cool while I am planning to get Lumia 950 just to run it with Windows 11 which will be a lag fest, but still cool 😆
Thank you Zac for the trip down memory lane and fantasy street at the same time!
Lots of great ideas that just needed the visual polish of Windows 11.
I still use my Lumia 950 for work!
Still cannot let it go!
Fantastic phone OS and 📷
XxX
I still Use my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL Too !!! epaaaaaaaaaaa, Salute from Mexico !!!.
It's 2022 and I've still got a lumia 930 in my draw, I love it and it runs 8.1 which is so much nicer than 10. I don't use social media at all, no Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram etc. I would legit use everyday if I could do mobile banking on it. Let's also remember how good that keyboard was!
Great video, Zac! Thank you.
Oh wow, the concept of ink/journal first is awesome. It would have helped a lot for the killing of the pen/paper you always need to search everywhere.
While the Galaxy Note is good for this, it just a normal phone with ink on top, not at the center.
windows 10X was a more finished OS this. I have been invested in microsoft cancelled operating systems (they're just interesting) and andromeda was the first i discovered so its nice to see someone giving its credits
edit: By the way where can i get an ffu for andromeda? lol
With OEMs continuing to make good custom firmwares I do think the DUO has a lot of potential to build upon the Andromeda concept even more than they have already.
I loved my Lumia 525 and I miss it very much. I had it for 5 years! Windowsphone was a great OS. Now I have an iPhone, but I do wish windows would reboot the OS.
Looks so much better than the half baked android in duo 1 and 2
I used my Lumia 820 for 5 years. My experience was good. My only problem is, it doesn't have that much support on apps, and games on its store. It was a good phone and OS its just that it lacks support.
Thank you for this bit of reporting! Super interesting!!
good stuff, thx for your guys working~
Windows phone 11 would be the best os if it came out
Pretty cool. thanks for the look at it.
This is so cool 😎 and so sad 😔 nice work from you and Gustave! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I used a cheap windows phone for about 6 months and I can honestly say it was really refreshing to use other than my android and iOS
The Lockscreen doodle is a really cool idea!
4:33 I think Galaxy Note have that similar feature, except that is ofc bundled with their One UI firmware, not built in Android from the ground up.
Thanks Zac, always appreciate the videos. Kind regards, Richard U.K
Truly fascinating, thank you
Windows phone was awesome just didn’t have apps. Loved the wireless charging, cameras.
I loved these phones. I believe they failed only because microsoft asked developers to pay big fees to publish their apps. God phones with empty app store when google and iphone stores had like infinite apps. At the end they made it free but was too late.
.... the best os ever
Very happy to have seen this. Very sad it never got finished.
I ditched my android for a Lumia 720 back in the days. Windows was really promising especially on low end devices as like iOS it was really light and required lesser RAM. Sad that it lost the App war which resulted in its death
I love the writing on the lockscreen idea
This made me miss my Lumia 1520 soooo much:( I loved Windows 10 Mobile and was full of hopes they would not abandon it:(
I am still using my Windows Phone for my One note . I would buy it again if Microsoft brings it back . It has been very useful to me .
Great tips!!
Really cool to see this... reminds me how much I enjoyed Windows Phone. What a shame it ultimately failed
You got a hold of it! great!
I still miss my Windows Phone, I wish one day Microsoft will bring back Windows Phone back to live
Thank you for this
Thanks for sharing Zac, very interesting.
Bit sad really.
I still hope one day the successor of Duo will have a native "Windows 11 OS on ARM" running, integrated with WSA (Android subsystem) to allow any sort of app running, be a win32 (emulated hopefully with some capable Snapdragon of that future time), be an Android app, or be an UWP or whatever MS calls them in the future.
It can only happen on Surface Neo kind of device. Windows 11 is way too heavy for a phone and not designed for dual screen devices.
@@metinhesenov When I said Win11 I didn't mean the current iteration, but more like just its kernel, the WSA and a completely refreshed UI to allow seamless runs of win32/Android/UWP in a compact device. I'm not expecting this now, more like in 2-3 years, where the compactness of a device capable of this might fit into a Duo-like chassis, who knows.
Ohhh my god windows central uploaded a video related to windows Phone? Are we going back to the past 🥺😭😭😭😭 one of my mooost favorite phones ever. Windows Phone was a pure love ❤️❤️🥺
I remember using windows Phone for the first time and being Android user i was really shocked to see the animations..it was so cool
Pretty impressive!
this is an awesome OS .. from lumias to windows phone .. loved those phone even with the app gap
The thing that intrigues me most here is the Surface Pen support. Was anything needed to get this to work? Can it work with a more usable OS?
Lumia 950XL with Windows Mobile 10 was the best experience I had with phone. Ever.
Now driving top notch OnePluses. Still not even close.
I would need this sooo badly, I only use apps like browser, youtube, media players, gmail and some office tools for the workflow, occasionally taking photos. This would be perfect for me, I like the clean look, layout and gestures :-O
I hope that they do implement some of those ideas into the Duo version someday (I'm hoping in good faith), the inking thing would have been awesome on Duo.
I miss using my HP Elite X3 as a daily driver, being a windows user it blends perfect with my PC. Cortana reading text and emails while hands free was great. Now using Android and buggy apps I find myself using the web or using the phone mainly for phone calls.
Miss my windows phone and the outstanding UI design that transcends the times.
Enjoyed my lumias. Miss em
I'm surprised you didn't try to dock it and see if it was capable of Continuum in any way.
the note on the lock screen is a brilliant idea
Would you try to back up the os as an image? Just so it's not lost if the prototypes get broken/die?
I can’t say why but I always like Windows’ design paradigms. I’d love using this interface ngl.
I miss the tiled UI. I loved it! It was so nice and clean and minimalistic!
I'm kinda digging this
Cool UI and this could have been a perfect concept for duo two .
Need Microsoft to bring this back for Windows 11. A mobile like form of Windows would be awesome on a next-gen duo. Or even one in partnership with Google where it runs android apps via Microsoft store. So much potential that shouldn’t be forgotten.
Windows UI was so Complete and even the in-app experience was one step above android in every expect. I wish they kept continuing it
Omfg this really made me miss my old 950xl 😭
Looks very interesting concept and kinda sad that it never came out, but I do have to wonder if that was an authentic Android based OS by Microsoft with Windows 10 graphics in it or was it pure Microsoft Windows Phone based solution with security updates etc.
THIS IS EXCITING
Damn! Microsoft! Lumias and Windows 10 Mobile was so lit! Missing all that stuff.
That's a beautiful operating system, sad to see it shelved, imagine this running all the android apps
Watching this makes me want to cry. I miss my Windows Phone.
i think you can ink on samgung tablets lock screen but its not quite the same
It would be a very nice option.I think a lot of people would by second phone just for work stuff, for better integration with Office and keep work and personal more separated.
This makes me miss wpmango. That was my favorite version. This would loom amazing on a nokia 1520
Plz make video how we install it on our lumia 950
Really wish they had hold on little longer. With an OS like this it might have just caught up. Miss my windows phone
My lumia 1320 performance still good. I really want microsoft bring back windows phone
Well its so nostalgic to see lumia ..in college i have lumia 620 ....it was very unique and stylish phone ....i love how compact it was ....in future i was planning to buy lumia 950XL then at the end of 2017 they stopped the updation of windows store apps .....But i still love my phone because it was so good and smooth ....but suddenly its apps starting to crash . And that was it for me ...but if they come back again with android i will see to that
This journal based experience would have been great and would have made so much sense for this device. It's a pity the project isnt continued
Apart from the apps shortage the windows experience was very good. It was not slow in cheap devices too that was blowing my mind away!!! I don't know others but the lumia 430 the budget phone had a snappy performance for daily use. The biggest reason for leaving the phone was due to the lack of availability of proper useful apps.
I had lumia, for almost 3 years. It was pretty good to use.
Sigo pensando que surface Dúo debería ser de sistema operativo dual para elegir un sistema operativo u otro
My window 10 lumina 540 start screen is not coming any solution??
ok I get they changed the OS.,... but why they got rid of the outside camera one of the prototypes had is baffling... It had a camera with a small bump and on the back of the other side was a small indent the camera slid into.
Would you describe how we can install it and where we can find files