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My Windows 11 Computer, Made From a Lumia 950XL Phone
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- Опубликовано: 14 фев 2022
- Installing Windows 11 Arm on a Microsoft Lumia 950XL. This is my second attempt to install Windows 11. The first time was with a ultra micro Sony VAIO. This time I'm installing on a 6 year old Lumia phone.
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If Microsoft can resurrect the Lumia lineup with modern hardware, especially the latest chipset, I'd be way more than happy to leave my Windows laptop behind. Continuum really shows a huge promise as a real pocket PC.
I was disappointed when Microsoft stopped the Lumia. Even more disappointed when I heard Microsoft killed the release of the Surface Mini just days before it's launch in 2014.
@maya I'm with you. I used to be an Android user before switching to Windows Phone since July 2016 and I'm still using my Lumia 950 as my daily driver to this day. Now that we have Windows on ARM, we really should have a brand new Lumia with latest SOC.
Samsung has pushed dex for more than half a decade. Yet most user still consider it's more like a gimmick rather than function. The prerequisites are far from realistic, if I can place a display and a dock and a kb/mouse in some remote location, why bother even comnect my phone to it, a laptop can run native windows apps already.
@@vertujoe2886 That's the problem with Android. It's still not a true desktop replacement, especially Windows. Windows on ARM may not have a sizeable catalogue of native software compared to Windows on x86, but you can still run desktop softwares in the first place. In Google, only ChromeOS can do that and it too has Play Store support. It does beg the question: Why don't Google converge both Android and ChromeOS together?
@@farishanafiah8461oogle further hampered Android from being a full time desktop replacement with their scoped storage for Android 11+. Every now and then I cannot download certain files with certain browsers... have to run to the old faithful Windows X64 laptop to do the deed. Get an updated Lumia like phone with a brick of a battery like my Android (my brick Android can happily be on MS Team video meetings all day use only 7 Ah of the 13 Ah battery).
I still miss my Lumia 1520 on Win10Mobile... In all its yellow polycarbonate glory...
I think the lack of RAM is the main issue alongside the overheating. I have the same OS on my 950XL and it overheats a lot, so I ended up adding a CPU cooler touching the backside of the phone (without the cover). I think I tried some games, but the directx doesn't work too well because the gpu drivers were tailored for the mobile version and they have some artifacts on the standard windows.
I've been trying games with very little success at even getting them started. Your CPU cooling solution sounds intriguing, thanks for sharing.
I think running on battery(especially with a high load, and when it's more discharged) will also contribute to overheating, as the battery itself will create heat when discharging. Depending on how the charging circuit works, it might not be a big difference with the charger/power supply connected though. It'd be ideal to run it without a battery(external power supply only), but phones rarely seem to allow that without modification.
most phones actually dissipate the heat through the screen as the backside is usually covered by hands while the screen is only covered by fingertips
Can this phone be used without the battery installed?
Hey randomly found your video - thanks for trying it out! This project starts as a troll (because someone claimed they have a similar set-up on turned out to be RDP on iPod touch) when I want to kill time in university, and later the situation was out of my control (I did firmware and some initial driver bring-ups) :D
I like that this video seems like click bait, then turns out to be real :)
My first Lumia 950 just arrived, thanks for the inspiration Janus!
I hope you enjoy the experience!
Hello Janus, I must say I was skeptical when I saw the thumbnail, though after watching your video I immediately subscribed and turned all the notifications on, I even went to follow on istagram so I can see your projects on the go. At the start of the video at 11 seconds I was thinking "Continuum, I really miss that on my Windows 10 phone", but at 23 seconds I was surprised that you actually have Windows 11 on your phone! I think many people have always dreamed of having mobile windows on their phones and connecting it to a monitor. The Windows 7 F-07C was the first Windows device that caught my attention back in October of 2009, sadly it was only available in Japan. In 2014 I bought an old Motorola Lapdock & phone, it really did the job sans Windows. The Asus Padfone integrates itself into a tablet which is really cool. Most Samsung phones now have DeX so you can connect to a Smart Monitor or any larger monitor. Coninuum was introduced to Windows 10 phones, but I believe only the Lumia 950 and 950 XL had it included in an additional purchase package. I had to buy separately which I still have but I accidentally dropped my Alcatel Idol 4S. Anyhow, thank you so much for making this video. I will definitely check out your other projects you have worked on.
Hi, It sounds like we share an interest in pocketable computers that can also transform in size :) F-07C ;) Thank you for your kind comments. I'm not great at telegraphing upcoming projects. But I'm slowly learning how to be a better communicator.
I've been exploring SIM cards recently, there is a story here I need to tell, I hope I can make a compelling video out of it. Please feel free to share your thoughts and thank you for watching.
@@JanusCycle its awesome to see a reply from you. I agree with an interest on pocketablke computers, I wanted the F(x)tec, never got it, LOL. Currently using the Titan Pocket, though I wish it had windows and be a clamshell like GPD Windows UMPC! Thank you for your reply comment. I definitely will follow your work and projects. Have an awesome week!
The reason I watched your video was because I was stumbling over my old 950xl. I was really happy for it, I was moving away from it when all the apps was fleeing from the it like rats and it was useless. It sad to see a soo beefy device just laying and collect dust. I like the tiles and the swipe where all the apps was in a list, it was making more sense than (win 3.1) icons placed over a picture. Maybe it can play total annihilation. 🙂
That's why I'm Glad that Samsung have Dex. Would be killer features if Dex will able to emulate and execute x64 software
This is all the Surface Duo needs to be. Sitting here with my Galaxy Fold 4 wishing it were as capable as a Lumia 950XL.
The future for old mobiles should be as programmable hubs. They could be made to work the way the Pi or Arduino does. With the IDE programming environment built in and with libraries developed to support the sensors typical of most phones, along with anything else you might plug into its USB ports.. Their usefulness would go beyond the scope of the mobile phone, to work on or off the network.
I would love it if manufactures opened up their old devices for new uses.
@@JanusCycle The manufacturers won't, they have no reason to, but your average geek might. This would go beyond getting Linux to run on Android or Android to run on IOS. That old phone has the potential to become a powerful control surface.
I wish that Windows Mobile/Phone was still around. I would buy one if they were available today, and could link it to my computer.
You learn new things everyday. Go pack go. 😆
Very exciting !! Loved that Lumia when it came out on the market, unfortunately, it didn't have the success deserved.
7:25 ololol🤣 psychological messages hahahha i love that part.. its true..🤣
I have a non-XL 950 running 10 and I've been thinking about upgrading it to 11, but the performance issues I've faced with the standard 950 under WOA have kind of made me disinterested. I'll need to pick up a 950 XL at some point since the hardware support is so much better under WOA.
I was considering a 950. But then I heard the 950 XL runs much better and focused on getting the XL.
No surprise given that the 950 runs on a hexa-core Snapdragon 808 chipset whereas the 950 XL runs on an octa-core Snapdragon 810 chipset. The LumiaWoA devs still couldn't get all six cores working on the 950. By contrast, all eight cores in the 950 XL is working just fine.
@@farishanafiah8461 last time I checked under windows 11 the issue was nearly fixed though not officially
My man loves his Lumia.
I had the developer preview just before 10 came out on these. It glitched on the Lock Screen and wouldn’t take any input or turn off. Had to wipe it and loose everything. Loved these phones only upgraded when Nokia switched to android and that was bad so I got an iPhone 8
You can disable hardware accelerator in Edge Browser
Cool project. I suggest you to get the original dock. Those can be had for peanuts, and the kit is worth it for the power adapter alone. You will see how USB-C adapters were supposed to be when invented. Not the current we leave buying an adapter to the client, which ends up getting some cheap ass piece of crap at the super market.
Also would really recommend to give it a go as a phone. The 950XL with Windows 10 is my daily driver. Camera is top notch, and still a breeze to use compared to fancy shit Apple invents, and pictures are better than on anything up to the 13 pro max (no comparison to the 14 Pro available yet). It really forces you to bring back phone use to sane amounts. Telegram is still updated and my prefered messenger anyway. It also hosts a very active user group delivering new apps and tools, even for Windows Phone 8.1
Do you mean you use your 950XL with Win 10 Mobile? I really like Windows 10 Mobile. I've always thought the interface looks better than iOS and Android, and live tiles look and work really well.
I'm just enjoying the novelty of having desktop Windows on such a small device at the moment.
Something I want to try one day is rooting Windows Mobile on a Lumia 1520. Not sure what that will do but it sounds interesting to try.
@@JanusCycle Yes, just the way it was ment to be. Enjoy it everyday. The interface is such a breeze compared to Android (yikes) and iOS (impossible).
I’m really pleased to hear that Windows 10 Mobile still has dedicated users in 2022. The 950XL is an impressive phone and I’m really glad I finally got one.
That is a good point, though if you ever look to switch to Android, there are Live Tile and other Lumia-style things you can apply to make an Android feel more like Lumia.
Even better, get a Samsung and use Dex with a monitor and keyboard setup and boom - PC experience.
Hi, thanks a million for the video, it's really helpful. I'm a bit curious though, is it possible for any of the Linux Distros to be installed on this device?
There are some versions of Debian that can be installed. But driver support for the hardware components is still very limited at the moment. It's more like a proof of concept install.
Wouldn't tiny11 be a perfect candidate for the lumia? it can run on 384mb ram and is completly debloated
It sure would. I recently found out about the ARM version of tiny11 thanks to @Kingdom3533, and it looks ideal for Lumia.
would appreciate it
Are you able to reconnect the phone to the PC and detect it with WPInternals and WOA Deployer? I tried this a few years back with W10, but I'm no thinking about trying again with W11. But, I can't reflash the device.
Also, a video on how to install the other aditinal tools they have on the WOA website would be interesting, like the shell, call and tex, USB-C drivers and so on...
Writing on a Windows on ARM laptop myself right now - very cool project. Is there information on GPU drivers, is it "just" the microsoft basic display adapter or does it actually run a Driver for the Adreno GPU. Would be interesting if it runs older DX9 games and such :D
Unfortunately there is no good GPU support and development has stopped for this project. I'm really glad I have this phone with Win 11 ARM on it though.
@@JanusCycle Thats unfortunate, as the emulation layer is very impressive in my optinion. I am so satisfied with Windows 11 on ARM, it became my main system (ThinkPad X13s I got on sale). I tried playing Portal to test DirectX and it worked without hesitation.
Thanks also for all your other content too, just watched the Libretto expansion video, and became very keen on trying out the Adlib tracker for myself. Great stuff, ty!
Amazing. This is my new project. I FINALLY unbricked my Lumia 950 XL today and I am excited to try this out.
Thank you for making such an awesome video.
1 question, could you send a link to that simplecom hub you have? I need the same one!
The hub I have came from msy.com.au they are only in Australia though. I hope your Lumia 950 XL upgrade goes well. For me it's a really interesting way to experience Windows 11 for the first time.
you should try windows 11 on a Microsoft Hapanero EB2+.
ive read someone has put a adobe photoshop for arm on this phone wonder how well that works if its just for simple things like drawing
I had one of these phones on order as my upgrade - just when Microsoft shut the whole thing down, which was frustrating! If only...
my dream is windows phone
Can't find Windows 11 Insider Preview 22543.1000 (rs_prerelease) arm64, this was the last supported Windows 11 for the Lumia 950 is not on the Microsoft servers anymore
I have switched to the ARM version of Tiny 11, it's on Internet Archive.
But You need last version on windows 10 mobile 1709 to running store and other stuff
3:37 I’m not sure how am I even able to still download apps from the Microsoft store on my lumia 950
You might have to sideload them these days.
HELL YEAH
So I did this and while it was a great little tinker it wasn't much more than that, anyone who has done this know how to get it to the reflash menu to restore the windows 10 mobile? The power and volume down no longer work and the reset phone in the boot menu under developer options just give the white exclamation mark now. Wpinternals and windows device recovery tool won't recognise it
You should still be able to use the 'Windows Phone Device Recovery' tool to flash it back to stock. This will relock the bootloader again and may take a couple of goes to work. I did try this when I was stuck early on.
@@JanusCycle appears my issue was having the WOA Deployer open and WPInternala didn't like the Mass Storage mode.
Closed WPInternals and it remained stable
Enabled Dual Boot and booted to W10 Mobile then using WPInternals got back to flash mode to flash the ffu file
Astonishing 😮
3:34 Probably, the OS itself isn’t up to date (with the last 2019 patches)
hey mate, thanks for the vid.
could u tell me if the phone is getting warm or hot? is browsing and office work possible? and is it smooth or having errors or delays or something?
I really want to use it as a mobile pc with a second screen like you. its so cool!
thanks bud
Yes is does get warm and the battery life is not that great. The system is laggy but quite usable. Microsoft's Edge browser runs really well because it is native ARM. Also Microsoft have a native ARM version of Office that would probably run quite well.
Since I enjoy pushing the limits, I am using a developer preview version of Windows on here to test the 64bit emulation support. Running regular desktop software that is not ARM based can be flaky. I did a video yesterday testing out more of this computer including a browser comparison.
As a general use computer I'm not sure I can recommend this setup. Though as a browser and office computer using ARM software it is coming close.
Things I would like to see to make this better are a lite version of Windows 10/11 and improved power management. That would help it run faster with less heat and longer battery life.
@@JanusCycle Great i will watch the new video.
One more question: how is the battery life when its not used? i mean can it proceed 1 day if i only use it when plugged into a powercable through usb c port? does it get warm in standby?
Also a little hint: maybe u could write the words lumia 950xl and windows 11 in the name. that way it would be part of the search: "Lumia 950 windows 11" (For someone who wants to do the same installation like you did that would be th searchterm, i think.)
ruclips.net/user/results?search_query=lumia+950+windows+11
You helped me a lot, thank you buddy
@@afgbehzadable Standby is good and doesn't get warm. I think it would last all day on standby. I could test it for you if that helps?
If I can help with something then let me know.
Please keep in mind I'm coming from a tinkerer perspective. Running Windows 11 on Lumia is more for people that enjoy messing about with technology.
While I would like to see someone get some proper use out of this, I'm not that experienced in how this would be to use long term. I'm keen to help, I'm just not sure how useful this stuff is.
Thanks for the title search tip. But in the search you linked, this video does appear in fourth position! But the follow up video doesn't appear :( I'm hoping the follow up is suggested by RUclips after this one is watched.
@@JanusCycle u were more than a help. i will try my luck with the installation of this after ur informations. as i said thanks a lot!
@@LilCurlyBlonde ye i did it but with a different phone oneplus 6t. The phone doesnt have hdmi so i just did the Installation. Windows on these Devices are not running 100% stable so i use this phone as a back up for my Laptop. In my Laptop case it doesnt take much space. So its a compromise.
Well, you could run some old pc emulators (PDP-11, Mac68000, 8086) or do some benchmarks (I don't think native benchmark exist yet)
I found benchmarking software with both an x64 and an ARM version, very interesting.
Please could U tell me about your small monitor ? This tutorial is fantastic!
I bought it from eBay. It is a laptop LCD in a no brand metal case. Full 1080p resolution IPS 11.6" LCD really nice. www.ebay.com.au/itm/322519517365
Can you run x86_64 or arm64/arm32 app? If you can i would buy it secondhand from ebay sellers
Also can you run 3dmark legacy benchmarks
Yes, it can run x86_64 and arm32/64 software. BUT the gpu/graphics don't work with games. I have tried many games and benchmarks but they don't start :(
That's my beautiful buddy I use everyday :D
Hi David. Would you replicate this as a service if someone sent a phone for this? Looking forward to hearing back. Mark
Hi Mark, I'm Janus. I don't recommend getting this done unless you want to tinker constantly.
Hi, Do U have the same issue? When I'm shutted down os, then with another run I saw blue screen with information abaut rescue
I have not seen that problem. I have also just installed Tiny 11 and that works as well.
@@JanusCycle ok i will download it
Is there anyway to optimize performance? And think there will ever be a camera driver fix?
The development of this port was paused in October. It looks like there won't be any new versions :(
I have a lumia 950 xl and if I just had a modern day edge browser, my phone would be fully functional.
Do you know if for conection continuum hub will work?
Mu understanding it that different hubs can be a bit of a gamble for working correctly.
Isn't it better to use the elite x3????
Maybe, but I don't have time to learn how to port it over.
Can I install windows tiny 11 on any other device using same files
There is a Windows 11 installer for the Microsoft Duo. Also Project Renegade can install on some other phone models.
Need to remove Telemetry and outher blotware and defender before you install...
I have also bought a 950XL but am experiencing random restarts or freezing. Have you also encountered it? Thanks!
I've not had this problem, have you installed Windows?
what is hub you use with your lumia, thanks in advance
I'm using a fairly generic Simplecom brand
There's also this project for running windows 11 on snapdragon 645 phones, but sadly those devices haven't reach their minimum value at all
That sounds really interesting. I heard that maybe one day Windows 11 will be ported to the Surface Duo. Not things I can afford just for messing about with though.
@@JanusCycle It's called renegade project, they ported uefi to various devices and use the surface pro x's drivers for windows
@@Jbrimbelibap Thank you, the list of phones is interesting. Nothing I have currently but some that may be easily obtainable one day.
In Poland you can get the Mi8 phone for about 110USD
@@scannerboy That's about the same in France, but when you just buy it to play with it, it's a bit much
Checking my local online store and search both device, even the used price is hover around $450, absolutely insane.
$450 for a used 950XL?
@@MartinMurray1966 welcome to 3rd world country overpriced market my friend. Meanwhile at the same time, with $450 I could buy used and fully unlocked Galaxy S20 Ultra. My country have weird pricing on "unique stuff". Hell, even e-waste AMD FX-8350 is more expensive than used i7-7700K 🤣
@@pingtime Maybe we should set up a business where i send you the stuff and you can sell it , i can buy a used 950 for £40 a decent 950 XL will be slight more
@@MartinMurray1966 I think there's virtually no market for it here, hence the absurd price of the phone. In the other site my government setup a law that block unregistered IMEI number (eg. Imported phone) from using all telecommunication network from all cellular provider, rendering the device to use WiFi only connectivity. If you didn't have proper connection, the tax office will put an absurd "fee" to register the IMEI number
@@MartinMurray1966 not mentioning the insane import tax regulation in our country, recently an amateur singer win singing competition in Japanese TV show, and upon arrival in my country, the custom officer tax the trophy for $380, despite she's make our country proud by winning the competition abroad 🤣🤣🤣
I hope Symbian OS returns
is it posible runinig some kind of vcredist older version 32bit
Hi there great vid but i was wondering if you had a link to an actual working windows device recovery tool and a compatable windows phone os rom that you flashed first, my os version is too updated.....thanks in advance
Here is an article with a working link. The tool should download the correct rom when it connects to your phone. allaboutwindowsphone.com/news/item/24211_WindowsDeviceRecoveryToolgoeso.php
Thanks so much!
U should have used the thor2 method then it won't get into boot failure. But making an iso into ffu is a tuf task
I would like to make an FFU, as long as I can heavily customise it.
@@JanusCycle we are only users
We are not Gustave 😂
I want to download PC 10 software for my Microsoft Lumia 950 phone 😔
I want to ask something , is it possible to install win 11 on any lumia phone?
Only the 950 and 950XL Lumia models. Also Windows 10/11 can be installed on some other brands using Project Renegade.
@@JanusCycle I need to run a webgl based app on a pocket device, and the lumia's are quite cheap on used market. Csn you make a video about benchmarks on that phone
Can i do this with lumia 640xl?
No port have been made that I know of.
Can u please give the type c bridge u have used here. Cuz I don't have my ms Dock.
I used the cheapest I could find. The brand is Simplecom.
@@JanusCycle then this claims that it can work with any type c display. Heard that other docks make hissing sound.
Wish I could run on 520
The UUP dump website is no longer up
Still up for me.
Where did you buy your phone from? They are not cheap online?
I have been looking for a while. On eBay I have seen them for just over $100 depending on condition, while I was hunting last year. Mine was a local score. I would have preferred black, but it's distinguished in the white.
can you make a video on how to removoe a password lock I got one for free in the trash
Hey nice find! I've never tried to remove a password, but this video might help. ruclips.net/video/4RQtSq0oqDM/видео.html
@@JanusCycle work in back of office building so they through away cool shit sometimes I think thats what happend here
Model of the HDMI monitor?
This is a laptop LCD and HDMI controller board in a metal case sold complete from eBay. No brand or model.
@@JanusCycle thanks
How did you install windows 10 on tablet
This is a cheap tablet that came with Windows 10. Very underpowered, but decent enough for basic tasks.
I am trying to install windows on my old prestigio x86 android tablet pc
Sir, Try to install windows 10 on poco m4 pro 5g ❤❤❤
I feel like deleting Windows Phone and installing the desktop version killed Windows Phone even more
There is a way to dual boot both OSs. I really like the design of Windows Phone. I hope to have a much closer look at the OS one day. Though it will be with a different Lumia model.
hmm im wondering if this will work on my lumia 928
I don't think it would because the installer is very specific for the 950/XL
Are there any drivers for Adreno 430 GPU available?
la fotocamera funziona normalmente?
fotocamera nulla, the cameras use special drivers and will likely never be able to work.
I currently have W10OA on my Lumia 950 XL. Its the preview version with x64 emulation. I might get a 2nd one to install a more stable version of Windows 10 on it or maybe Windows 11.
Nice, I would like to try Windows 10 as well. Though I read that Microsoft removed 64 bit emulation from it. Compatibility is something I'm keen to test.
@@JanusCycle Yeah you need a special Insider Preview, I still have the wim if you are interested.
64 bit emulation has been released for 2 years now...
Play DOOM on it!
Of course DOOM. Maybe even Doom 2016 would start on it, but I don't expect the frame rate would be any good.
@@JanusCycle Well in that case, scrap the whole thing, I mean, what's the point?
can i get the name of the adapter?
It's a Simplecom, which is a brand used in Australia
May I ask how much you paid for it?
I got my 950 XL for 50 Euros
This was a similar amount when converted into Australian dollars.
@@JanusCycle Oh nice!
this method support lumia 1520?
Unfortunately this only works with the 950 and 950XL.
My Windows 11 Compooter.
relaying the power of a home PC to a mobile device, using some kind of remote access program. I see no other meaning. Why do you need this speed when you can make a monster
Does the sim card calling program work?..
Yes, calls and text work fine.
@@JanusCycle What is the program to run those calls ?, I mean how do I call and send messages on this Windows ?
@@molhamsyrian456 The software is called woadialer.
github.com/WOA-Project/woadialer
@@JanusCycle thanks for you
Are woa dialler supported for lumia 950 xl only ?
Can you give me a link to that x86 tablet? I think I want it.
Is it worth it to use on an old TV and turn it to a smart TV?
an interesting idea, but any phone can make an old tv smarter.
Surface RT?
Does/could mssql and visual studio run on it ?
No lol because cpu too week
Can you make phone calls using this setup ?
Yes, there's an app that can make cellular calls. But the app for text messages is not working in recent builds of Windows.
Can I upgrade my main operating system, from Windows 7 to Windows 10?
You can do anything you set your mind to.
what device are u using lol
Upgrade the W11 build
work excel and word?
I think it would work fine. Especially the native ARM version of Office, would work really well.
By default this already works. Plug a Lumia 950XL into a monitor or TV, and Continuum will start with desktop quality Office.
Can calls be made?
yep, there is an app included for calls and text.
Awesome gonna pick up a lumina. Thanks!
Can you do this for me please try to install it in 950 xl lumia but I didn't succeed
Follow the guide at Lumia WoA precisely. Then start talking about the results you are seeing in precise detail.
Make sure you are using compatible windows versions
Make a call.
Can you make calls and text?
Yes, calls and text do work.
@@JanusCycle I think Microsoft could have something here. I can see a desktop experience when connect to a monitor and a ios like UI when not. Like a Windows Dex mode.
can you install Linux on this?
There is a Linux distro available, but it's not complete. There are better devices for me to try Linux on. I think I'll try Tiny 11 on here next.
@@JanusCycle What devices are you considering putting Linux on?
@@TLM860 The Vaio U71P needs to be explored more. It's very old though. I'm looking for a really good Linux distro to give it some new life. Something touch based would be a plus.
Turn it into Chromebook
Can you simply make a call with windows 11?
yep, there is an app included for calls and text.
@@JanusCycle you mean the dialer app?
I'm giving up on this after a day of tinkering. Having to use a sketchy Win11 ISO from some dude on the internet archive is bad enough, but WOA bricked my 950 during deployment, and then on retry complained about rate limiting, refering to documentation to remove it, which doesn't exist. I was able to reflash the orinial FFU with WPInternals, but will not retry due to WOADeploy being unreliable.
Do linux
Tiny 11
Brooo wtf
Anyone knows where to get a battery for the 950xl?