The Confusing Canon of Mario Sports
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
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Excellent video! It covers many great arguments and gives explanations and points!
I'd like to add onto Baby Rosalina, as it's surprisingly one of the biggest arguments against canon in the fandom.
The main argument is that she contradicts her story told in the Library in Super Mario Galaxy. But we can logically conclude that this is not true.
The main sticking points are
1 - Baby Rosalina has her modern hair color
2- Baby Rosalina has her modern hairstyle
3 - Baby Rosalina has a dress similar to her modern one, and her whole get-up is star-themed
4 - Baby Rosalina has magic, like her adult self
5 - Thematically it ruins her story
*Point 1: Baby Rosalina has her modern hair color*
Adult Rosalina & Baby Rosalina both have platinum blonde hair. In the storybook, Rosalina's hair is about the same, but it has a pink/red-tint to it. So the lack of pink in her baby hair is a contradiction. I think this is the _only_ valid point against Baby Rosalina. While hair color _can_ change from baby to child, it's a bit odd that her hair changes _back_ when she gets even older. And we know it's not just an artstyle thing, because one of the final pages of the storybook shows Rosalina with a lighter, non-pinkish hair color.
Overall, it's not that big of a deal though. Hair Color is sometimes inconsistent in the Mario series, with Daisy's hair switching from brown to a reddish brown from time to time. And furthermore, sometimes adult Rosalina has a bit of that pink tint to her hair. In shaded 2D art, her hair gradient ends with a pinkish tint.
*Point 2: Baby Rosalina has her modern hairstyle*
I think what people tend to forget is that the storybook is stylized. Rosalina's eyes and facial structure are quite different than they appear on Rosalina's actual character models. I'd argue that her hairstyle is part of this stylization.
Most of the time you see Rosalina in the storybook, she's shown from a side-profile. The problem with this, is that if Rosalina had her adult hairstyle, it would cover her eyes in shots where she's facing the right. To prevent this, the storybook has her bangs sweeping above her eyes instead. This is such an incredibly minor change that, even if it's not just for stylization, it's not too crazy that she just parted her bangs separately as a child. And part of this ties into the next point so I'll just move on.
*Point 3: Baby Rosalina has a dress similar to her modern one, and her whole get-up is star-themed*
Baby Rosalina has a blue, star-themed dress that mirrors the one she has as an adult. But in the storybook, she wears white!
Well, I don't think people realize that this same problem applies to both Baby Daisy and Baby Peach. Both characters had classic dresses that look quite different from the dresses they wear now. But the ones they wear as babies are modeled after the modern dresses, not the classic ones. Furthermore, Daisy had a pink crown in her classic design, but her baby form has an orange crown like her modern design.
Baby Rosalina wearing a different get-up is not that big a deal. Especially when you consider the context of the storybook.
In the storybook, Rosalina is shown to hang out with the Luma at night time, when she'd be wearing a night-gown or pajamas. That's probably what that simple white dress is. It's what she wears to bed. When she leaves with the Luma to find her mother, it's at night. She is clearly not in formal wear throughout the storybook. In one of the last pages, we see her a little bit older, with lighter hair, and a long, blue dress. This is shown after they say that she went back to her home on the comet. She would've been able to change her clothes, and prepare to continue journeying the cosmos.
Anyway, what I'm proposing is, Rosalina's blue fancy dress is her formal wear. It's what she'd wear when appearing to the public. So her baby self wearing an actual dress instead of a night-gown makes a lot of sense.
Now, what about the fact it's star-themed?
For whatever reason, people seem to think that Rosalina didn't have anything to do with stars until she took on her role as mother to the Lumas. But there's no reason this couldn't have been the case beforehand! She's a princess of the Mushroom Kingdom, and the Mushroom Kingdom is heavily associated with stars. Much of its culture is based around stars. So an old generation of the royal family having a star theme isn't out of the question. There's also the fact that Rosalina's father has a telescope that she borrows. She probably likes gazing at the sky, and there's a reason she wants to help the Luma she meets.
I also think it's likely that her crown in the storybook is the same crown that she wears as an adult. The storybook is stylized, so leaving out the extra details is a good decision to keep things simple.
*Point 4: Baby Rosalina has magic, like her adult self*
In the modern day, Rosalina seems to have the power of telekinesis. She can float in the air, levitate nearby objects, and create magical barriers. This is also something she can do as a child, as we see in Dr. Mario World, where she hovers as her idle animation. She also has a mirror based on the wand she has when she's older.
Once again, the supposed problem with this is based on assumptions! People assume that Rosalina did not gain these magic powers until she started watching over the Lumas. That she used the power of the stars to gain immortality and float and all that. But there isn't any evidence toward or against this! Ya know who else is a Mushroom Kingdom princess that has magic? Princess Peach!
Peach has "wish magic," which allows her to heal others, make people sleepy, and even levitate objects on occasion (when combined with Starlow's star magic, she launches Bowser through the roof of her castle, and even launches a laser beam in Dream Team). Peach can also float in the air briefly, such as in games like SMB2 and SM3DW.
So if Peach has inherent magic from being a royal, what's stopping Rosalina from having magic as well? Rosalina's magic isn't even necessarily that much stronger than Peach, and it's quite similar in a number of ways. Baby Rosalina having the ability to float is stupid, but it makes sense when you consider who she is.
*Point 5: Thematically it ruins her story*
Is the existence of Baby Rosalina stupid? Absolutely.
Does it make her story non-canon? No.
In fact, I'm not sure why people believe this. I've seen the argument that because she's all happy and hanging out with everyone in karting events, she won't have the same tragic build-up that results in her storybook. But uhh.... she's a baby. She's probably not even gonna remember any of this. Rosalina probably just wanted to hang out with her child self since everyone else in the Mario cast does it. It's not a big deal.
Again, is it stupid? Yeah. But it really has no effect on what she will go on to do with her life.
I would write a TL;DR, but Idk if that's possible. The basic gist is that the contradictions people think Baby Rosalina has are just based on assumptions or ignore the context of her life and her story. Hair color is really the only sticking point, and even that isn't that big of a deal. They could really just retcon her hair color in the storybook if necessary.
I couldn't've said it better, myself!
the algorithm is purposfully pushing back this masterpiece of a channel
7:52 very interesting points about Dry Bowser
First off, Super Solid Video! Super funny, informative, etc.!
I happen to personally disagree with the Marioverse rules of canon, but I do agree with almost everything said here, and I've always been annoyed when people say the sports games are non-canon.
Although, a better explaintion for character duplicates could just be double cherries or just clones in general. We've seen examples of this in Gooigi.
Also, in terms of the babies; its acutally talked about in a Mario Baseball game that they're there paradoxically.
Good work! You're really inspiring me to get on with my own videos!
So you're telling me Tour Earth has its own 9/11
I always perceived the sports games as taking place at the end of the timeline, basically in a time where the characters are either semi retired or all on good terms with each other
*but yet again, there are a lot of things that contradict this, so maybe I'm looking too deeply into it, after this is a series with taking inanimate objects and a lot of nonsensical hoopla*
2:35 Mario & Sonic At The Omlympics.....
we have them just using bikes in a generic playstyle.....
while Mario, Rouge (sonic character I think u don't know), Waluigi, and Bower jr. are PLAYIN' TENNIS WITH MARIO ITEMS in NEW DONK CITY!! is JUST A SIDE PART OF A GAME with GENERIC SPORTS!!!
SEGA & Nintendo had their mascots fighting for years and when they are finally together..... all their fan-service is basically thrown at the window....
Glad to see you back, great video!
Tour Earth is a very fascinating dimension, like I said before I like the human characters of the Camelot games and their story to becoming the best and meeting Mario when they are at their peak. Its interesting that the metods to get to Mario World are very different between games, like in Mario Golf GBC, the characters go by launching from a cannon, in Advance Tour it was a ball of light and in both Mario Tennis games by airplane, it seems the Mario World is very above the Tour Earth, but maybe that place is just the gateway to Mario's main dimension or both dimensions cross when they go fron the ground to sky, its so mysterious. Also it seems over the years the restrictions were loosened, since in Advance Tour when you try your player character try to go with your partner but only the player won all the tourneys, Toad rudely says to "Get rid of your friend" ouch, that might hurt, but in Tennis Power Tour, when the same happens and your partner cries, the Headmaster was able to persuade Toadsworth to get he/she on board for Mario World. Maybe over the years, Mario got so popular that he didnt need to get disguised to this dimension anymore, so now he can go karting in real life-like cities with all their friends. I just hoped that the humans were still around in the games, I blame the Miis for their abscense, they are just the new standard for humans in the games, in a perfect world both of these races could exist in a game, like the beanish and the hoohooligans in Superstar Saga, but alas Mario got generic a lot in the 3ds/Wii U era, so it didnt happen.
Mistranslation?
Also, interesting argument on interdimensional travel.
Overall great video with great arguments!
@@Eris1987 In the Japanese version of Island Tour, Bowser does not refer to his Dry Bowser bubble clone as an “family friend”. Bubble clones are only illusionary creations that aren’t actually the people they clone. This was just a mistranslation when localizing to English.
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed.
@@Chipss question, do you know a place where I can find this? The Japanese and proper English translation?
@@Eris1987 Here is the original Japanese text:
> …だがしかーし！この先の番人はホネっぽくて強いアイツだっ！！！
Which roughly translates to:
“…but it’s okay! This next guy is strong as bone!!!”
@@Eris1987 It’s also worth mentioning that the European English version of the game had a more correct translation. My guess is that the translator in the US didn’t understand the joke/play on words and instead opted to just put in text of their own, which happens far more often than you think.
**English (US)**
> Meh, WHATEVER! The next guard is a close family friend. BWAHAHA!
**English (EU)**
> I'm not finished just yet! You can tell that my next guard has been drinking his milk, from his big, strong bones!
**Japanese**
> だがしかーし！この先の番人はホネっぽくて強いアイツだっ！！！
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God, I love these discussions, and presented by you no less? That's what I'm talking about.
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why isn't paper mario a playable character in mario kart