Thank you for covering the variable squeeze factor in detail with sample footage. I was ready to buy this lens until I saw this. You are the only reviewer of several videos I watched that even touches on this topic!
If you want to be able to send this into editing without needing correction, a few diopters will make a big difference. I expect I’ll keep a +1/2 and +1 in the kit. If they made a Rangefinder/Rectilux-type variable diopter in this size, we could completely solve the mumps problem. If you’re shooting low budget anamorphic docu or events, then you’re probably on a Sirui already. I see the Great Joy as targeting the narrative productions that won’t pay for Vazen/Atlas. This also will probably make the SLR Magic Anamorphot 1.33x PL lenses less relevant, especially if the GJ 35mm and 85mm come out on time and with similar performance.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Is there a formula for knowing what the squeeze is vs the distance marking on the lens at the time? Just trying to know how to know what squeeze to do, rather than just eyeballing it...?
This is a game changer!!! My only question, please, is about EF adapters WITHOUT glass or filters built-in? (like EF to L-mount, or EF to E-moutn) Will these JOY EF-mount function on those?
Anamorphic mumps is a problem that existed with Chretien's first Hypergonars and, to a lesser degree, B&L's CinemaScope lenses. Whoever is developing these new lenses needs to study Panavision's anamorphics, which eliminated the problem. There's no point reinventing the wheel.
As usual, thank you for the excellent presentation and info!! Believe it or not, I'm actually looking at this lens more for still photography, with some video....in EF mount. Do you think the protruding rear element would cause problems on EF to M mount on a Leica M10 Monochrom or EF to GF mount for Fuji GFX100? The latter I was considering for stills and video....I hope you might have some time for thoughts on this...I really love the pano type aspect ratio, especially for stills... Thank you again, and as always enjoying your content!! CC
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Hello, I just got my Great Joy 50mm anamorphic in. Looks great. I'm currently trying to hook it on my FF sensor M10M. Now, I"m trying to figure the best tool, and workflow to desqueeze AND, if possible...keep with a RAW workflow. I'm not exactly sure what numbers to put in to de-squeeze. Any suggestions? Thank you in advance!! CC
Great video! I just read that they’re coming out with FF ones that will not have different squeeze factors, no matter the focus distance. Is this true?
Someone on the Facebook group mentioned there's no varying squeeze and no mumps. Was it Mathieu? Can't look for it. Or were it the 1.5x ones from Venus...? Anyway, a bit of a bummer. But I must admit I'm not down with the T2.9 trend, it's pretty much one stop too slow for me. Flares, hm, reduced and if they come up not very nice (at least no green, maybe Sirui can take notes) See, I know it's pedantic. The price is hot and what they deliver is good. Maybe more lenses follow (would be awful if not; I also hope they are not only aiming for FF), so a rather cheap anamorphic set is manageable. But it's still a lot of dough. And for what it costs, it just doesn't tick enough boxes. And nothing to work around the "issues". It hurts to say
I agree on all the notes. I haven't started watching the reviews yet to see who might've said that. The ones from Laowa are pretty clean (video coming next week). T2.9 is kind of lame overall, and I'm having a hard time understanding the trend. I think we're starting to see the beginning of a road which will take a few years to develop where we'll have a good array of affordable anamorphics to choose from and tick the boxes we want ticked. So far this one is my favorite of the new wave of cheap scopes, but who knows what the future brings? :)
@@AnamorphicOnABudget >and I'm having a hard time understanding the trend. I think it's price/performance, ultimately. So much more glass means bulk and money. But yeah, bit of a bummer. Keen to see the Laowa. That I think of it I kinda believe I heard no mumps about that one (and I think it was a sales rep from them who spammed teaser-adverts on the group... yeah that might be it, if memory serves me right). 1.5x is kinda lame in its own regard and I recall the flares were hideous but well... you win some, you lose some, but ultimately right now you don't gain some, haha
@@LucasPfaff the only things “wrong” with this lens is really compromising. 1) Changing Squeeze Factor 2)Protruding element is annoying 3) Only T2.9. I would have paid more and dealt with a heavier lens to fix the squeeze and get a T2 but the general public who aren’t pixel peeping nerds like us won’t even know what mumps are and 2.9 is fast enough.
@@JitDawgBruhDang it's actually the seasoned pros I only ever hear talking about slower lenses being enough. Especially the come-and-get-crowd has speed over everything, I mean there's plenty of stupidly fast lenses because of that. In the end, we can get the Vazen, which makes a lot of things better. For a price. And I don't think Vazen has a terrific markup
@@LucasPfaff Yea, T2.9 is adequate. The atlas Orion goes to T2 but it is as sharp as baby throw up when shooting wide open but sharpens up quickly at 2.8. This line of lenses won’t be beaten by any lens being released this year unless Laowa lenses give a 1.8x Stretch at least
So just to clarify what you said at 3:45. These lenses won’t fit on to any cameras with internal ND’s? In my case the Ursa Mini Pro G2 which has both PL and EF options?
I'm not sure about cameras that have internal NDs. I know adapters with internal NDs will fail. The campaign page has the specs on the protrusion so you can compare that to the depth of the camera mount to the ND! :)
@@DAF21films You can use with cameras that have built in nds. You will only find problems with ND filters built into adapters (like the ef to rf mount one) and speedboosters.
I'm impressed by how sharp this lens is. I don't think I've ever been able to get as detailed an image with my Voigtlander 40mm f/2 + Kowa B&H + Rectilux no matter how precisely I tune it. The bokeh character isn't blowing my mind, but it is surprisingly more attractive than the slight "smearing" I see from the $8000 Vazen 50mm 1.8x. Also seems to have significantly less CA than the Sirui in this video. I feel like any complaints I might have can be corrected in post -- something I do regularly with the Kowa anyway. Anyway, I am pre-order #60 for a PL + Amber version as of this morning. Looking forward to playing with it and adding the other focal lengths later this year.
Went for the blue flare before I saw the review. Even after, I can live with those limitations for £1100 as opposed to the next £7/10k for the Vazen or Atlas Orion. These are tools and perhaps stepping stones. We’ve never had something of this quality at this price before.
The squeeze will bother me. But with the information you provided, i know what to expect and how to compensate. Now we need more camera with full frame 3:2 sensors to take advantage of such a lens
I've used more expensive anamorphic lenses with similar or worse downsides. There's no perfect lens, but I'll be jumping on this set. As a side note, is it just me, or does it look like the blue flair version has subtler/ more natural flairs than the amber version? Hard to say with how little footage there is.
Why should someone add black bars? Seems like a weird approach. It is all about rendering the video in the right aspect ratio. U could also render a video which was shot with spherical lenses in 2.39:1 and could enjoy it on ur wide screen monitor without black bars.
Thank you! This is an exciting time for filmmakers. I'm waiting for Great-Joy to complete the lens set (35 mm, 50 mm, 85 mm, I think) and then will get the full set. That would also give some time for the lenses to be out in the field, and learn of any other quirks that show up. Plus having one single anamorphic isn't very useful for my style of work, since it can get a bit jarring cutting between Spherical and Anamorphic glass. For me, the EF/PL mount is the single greatest advantage over the Sirui, and I prefer the subtle flares of this one over the Sirui's "wilder flares". The Laowa Super-35 anamorphics are also coming soon, and those might be an interesting option for pairing with BMPCC 6K, Red Komodo or Canon C70 style cameras
35mm is bad Lens no flare 👎🏽 2.9 opening u cannot shoot in low light most difficult lenses in night sequence if u shooting film or Documentary u cannot match 35mm with both the lenses
I ended up buying this lens, but whenever I focus to infinity on the lens it is out of focus on my camera. I tested it and it seems like actual infinity is just a little past 18m on the lens. Can this be solved by shimming?
Hey! Love your content. I have the 50mm Greatjoy lens. Could I use a wide angle lens with a 82mm filter thread in front of this to get a wider field of view? So I don't have to buy the 35mm haha.
Awesome. It's a pity about the variable squeeze factor at minimum focus. I have a question if I may. How would this lens work on a Red Epic Dragon 6k sensor. I am in the market for an Anamorphic set and am yet to find anything regarding how these lenses work on Red platform.
It'll be absolutely fine. The sensor is smaller than the lens' image circle, so you get full coverage. The only thing to watch out for is the varying squeeze. :)
So if I use this on the BMPCC 6K Pro in 3.7k anamorphic mode, what would my aspect ratio be? Trying to understand the workflow to get to 2.39:1. Anyone? too bad it wasn't 2x...... But we get EF, so I can't complain too much.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget but didn't you mention that any camera body that uses internal ND like the pocket 6k pro won't fit? Or it'll fit just not when your trying to use the internal ND?
I said any adapter mounted filters, or focal reducers won't work. The camera bodies put the NDs very close to the sensor, and that still works. You have the accurate measurement in the campaign. They also say the lens fits fine on the BMPCC6K and other BM cameras with internal NDs.
The aspect ratio difference is minimal (0.25% difference), and 1712 is friendlier to codecs and quality of compression. That's something I built into the calculator and talked almost nothing about. hahaha.
82mm diopters are a bit rare, no? hopefully soon more options will spawn, especially because a set of e.g. 2 diopters to cover 3 different filming scenarios (close-ups, mid-range run-and-gun and distant/landscape - which works out of the box / no diopter) would definitely be something of high interest
I also wanted to thank you for covering the variable squeeze factor in such depth! I have maybe a dumb question. Would you need to change your squeeze factor at close focus in post based on what sensor your using? I'm sure you know what I mean, but to be extra clear, if I used this lens on a full frame camera at close focus and then in post realized that to get a natural look I would need to desqueeze to maybe 1.6x or 1.7x, would that same squeeze factor apply to a micro 4/3 sensor?
I just got my Geat Joy 50mm Yesterday. I have been playing with it all day and I love it. As someone who has used Panavision C,E & G series as well as Arri master anamorphics - all I can say is WOW! I love the bokehs, as they pop up so easily and turns every specular hit into an oval bokeh. Flares are little hard to get, I agree. But Arri anamorphics give zero flares due to their coating. I also think it is better this way. No one wants to look like JJ Abrams and too many lares in a movie can give one headaches. Plus, we can always fit flare filters we used on Arri lenses. I did not see any distortion to faces on my footage. Thy were perfect. I assume your problem is due to PL mount. Great Joy and GH5 turned every shot I took into a cinema work. I love it! Beats the crap out of Sirui which I can hardly call anamorphic. I was hesitant to back the project up but I am so glad I did, I am flying. Can't wait for them to bring out new lenses so I can own a full set.
I love that you upload in true anamorphic! So many youtubers through black bars on their content and call it "cinematic" but I can actually fullscreen your videos on my ultrawide monitor. INSTANT sub!
I like the subtle vignetting, a bit of distortion and the uneven squeeze. It does actually have the Anamorphic qualities I enjoy. But I would need a wider lens for my hopes.
I would think that with the protruding rear elements on the EF it would only work when there is no mirror to flip up, like dedicated cinema cameras such as The Reds or Canon’s C line. I’m thinking that with something like the Canon 5D series you would have to mount and remove with the mirror flipped up, or else it would smash into the lens.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget I understand that it is a consequence and downside of the lens, I don’t see how it is the point of it. Also since people commonly shoot video on Canon stills cameras I would have thought that warning was more important that the inability to add a speed booster.
Your reply makes sense. I guess I was hoping that the animation at the very beginning would clear this. I see more people filming with cameras without mirrors and using speedboosters than the other way around, so I thought that would be a more common issue. But you are correct. The mirror will hit the back of the lens if it's not up.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Sigma MC-31 Mount Converter/Lens Adapter (PL-Mount Lenses to L-Mount Camera) this can work ? So it means I can use these lens to any camera just get right adopter.
Would it be possible to use a speed booster on an EF mount super 35 camera if one got one of the E, MFT, L, or RF lenses? I'm not very familiar with speedboosters and if they can adapt lens mount types like that.
What is the difference between sirui 50 1.6x and great joy 50 1.8x if we use 16:9 sensor FF and set the aspect ratio to 2.4:1??? I mean If we use great joy 1.8x we have to zoom in to get the aspect ratio 2.4 : 1 right after desqueezing.. Will that be wider than sirui's 1.6x???
Which coating did you test? I am still in the dark what the diff is between blue and amber. I am assuming its the flare but then it sounds like its not that easy to produce one.
Hey Tito, I'd have a question regarding the anamorphic adapter Great Joy offers. I have a set if SLR Magic Microprimes for Sony E which have 82mm filter threads. The adapter takes lenses with 67mm filter threads, so my thought is if it would be possible to put on a 82-67mm step down ring on a Microprime and attach the adapter to it? I really did the look of the Microprimes and could imagine that this might work with longer focal lenghts like the 50mm/75mm ... maybe 35mm? Any experience here? Thanks a lot! EDIT: I just found something really interesting. Cinegearpro is selling thread adapters (72/77/82mm) especially for the Great Joy anamorphic adapter and they are even made by Great Joy itself. They aren't listed on Great Joy's website, but they are obviously made for exactly my desired purpose. Good thing with these is that they replace the original 67mm thread of the adapter, so that little gap caused by a regular step-down ring would be gone. Weird I haven't heard of that thread adapter before from Great Joy directly.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Alright, so I received the lens adapter + thread adapter yesterday, my findings with the Sony A7S III (=full frame image circle). SLR Magic Microprimes: - 18mm/21mm: forget it. - 35mm: pretty much useless. Vignettes, gotta crop in to get rid of the vignette which makes it pretty much just as wide as without the adapter. - 50mm: vignettes too, but useable. - 75mm: no vignette at all. A bit soft though. Tried it on my Tamron 28-75 F/2.8 G1 as well which was kinda interesting, somewhat useable between 45-75mm with a bit of cropping. Funny thing is, that you can actually use the autofocus when you set the adapter`s focus ring to a roughly correct distance. Also tried it with my Sigma 24-70 F/2.8 which was useless (heavy vignetting). Gave it a try on my Sirui APS-C anamorphics as well, same conlusions as yours. However, will probaby not use it with the Siruis too much given that the 1.8 squeeze isn't too great combined with 16:9 sensors. For sure a great option for 4:3 sensors or everything not as wide as Sony's 16:9. Overall ... well, quite nice if you want to get cheap anamorphic options in the 45-80mm range. However, not perfect for Sony.
Looks amazing! Do you have exact measurements of the protrusion of the rear element? Trying to figure out if it could go on an EVA-1 which has integrated IR and ND filters (although it would mainly go on a S1, it would be nice to have the option to put it on a cinema body). They seem relatively slim but still. Wooden Camera states that any lens with more than 33.5mm of protrusion from the PL flange would not be compatible with a PL-modified EVA-1. The distance from the sensor to the rear element should not change between EF and PL mounts so a measurement of the PL version would give the compatibility of the EF version also. Thanks for your work!
Very interested in getting this for the GH6. I wonder however, there is a MFT option but will I get a better picture overall choosing the PL with a Metabones adapter? Making the sensor more like a Super 35. Will the 0.71x create more vignetting with the wider screen? Obviously, still a newbie to this world but appreciate some advice.
I'd go with PL. The optics are absolutely the same. You can mount it on MFT if you want using an adapter. As I said in the video - twice - you CANNOT use a speedbooster or focal reducer on this lens, regardless of mount selection.
Thanks again for this review. I am def out for this campaign but will keep an eye on future options from Great Joy. Quick question, how are anamorphic rental options on your side of the town?
synchro focus design... another dealbreaker :( anyway still not bad lens when thinking its price. some people may be able to use this lens with variable diopter enough to cover. just... I'm not a person like em.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Thank you! I've been following your channel for a bit and appreciate the reply. Is there a EF to E mount adaptor that you recommend? I've wanted to get into anamorphic for about 3 years and I think I'll finally pull the trigger and start with this one. It's not perfect but I prefer the subtle flaring with the amber option (seems more organic for my intended purposes). Giving you a follow in IG as well. Cheers Tito!
Thank you! I'm glad you found something that works for your taste! :D I don't have any personal recommendations. I'd probably go with the cheapest possible, since the goal is to just get that flange distance correct and you don't need any electronics. :)
@@ODHunte the glass protrudes towards the sensor more than most lenses and will likely not work with some cameras internal nd systems or speed boosters
@@AnamorphicOnABudget they seem pretty close but I am not sure what the exact specs are off the top of my head, that being said I ordered one of these lenses so we’ll find out if there any issues 😅
Of two lands just released a video with that combo, so I guess it would work! They'll certainly answer if you ask them. ruclips.net/video/aUoRnJoj1Lc/видео.html EDIT : oops, looks like it's the regular 6K, but I believe they have both so they should still be able to answer.
Meh, after using the Atlas Orion Anamorphics anything else just doesn't cut it. Any product called "Great Joy" sounds like a joke to me and thanks for making this review as I definitely won't be buying any. I don't think I can do any anamorphic now below a 2.0 squeeze after using the Orions.
I agree. I'm passing on this lens, but I'm looking forward to the ever expanding selection of budget anamorphics. It's cool that's becoming normalish now.
This is a really tough one for me. The MFT choice is so tempting to work with my GH Cameras. I am a blue flare an oval bokeh fan so this particular lens scores low. I am puzzled as to what made you like this lens? The price is great, but I have the standard Sirui set and will likely upgrade to the Mars set for my “A” camera. 1.8 squeeze would be nice but absent a full set of focal lengths it would be more novelty than working tool. I will probably pass on this lens and perhaps be kicking myself later.
Thank you for covering the variable squeeze factor in detail with sample footage. I was ready to buy this lens until I saw this. You are the only reviewer of several videos I watched that even touches on this topic!
Thank you! Most people don't know anamorphic enough to understand where the issue comes from. :)
If you want to be able to send this into editing without needing correction, a few diopters will make a big difference. I expect I’ll keep a +1/2 and +1 in the kit. If they made a Rangefinder/Rectilux-type variable diopter in this size, we could completely solve the mumps problem.
If you’re shooting low budget anamorphic docu or events, then you’re probably on a Sirui already. I see the Great Joy as targeting the narrative productions that won’t pay for Vazen/Atlas. This also will probably make the SLR Magic Anamorphot 1.33x PL lenses less relevant, especially if the GJ 35mm and 85mm come out on time and with similar performance.
excellent points all around.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Is there a formula for knowing what the squeeze is vs the distance marking on the lens at the time? Just trying to know how to know what squeeze to do, rather than just eyeballing it...?
In grabbing this one in Amber. Would love a vazen 50 but its out of my budget.
Wow. This review was really well done. Plenty of information and very practical insight. Thank you. Subbed.
This is a game changer!!! My only question, please, is about EF adapters WITHOUT glass or filters built-in? (like EF to L-mount, or EF to E-moutn) Will these JOY EF-mount function on those?
Been waiting for this one!!!!
Anamorphic mumps is a problem that existed with Chretien's first Hypergonars and, to a lesser degree, B&L's CinemaScope lenses. Whoever is developing these new lenses needs to study Panavision's anamorphics, which eliminated the problem. There's no point reinventing the wheel.
Tito wich tool do you use to fix the pincushion?
As usual, thank you for the excellent presentation and info!!
Believe it or not, I'm actually looking at this lens more for still photography, with some video....in EF mount.
Do you think the protruding rear element would cause problems on EF to M mount on a Leica M10 Monochrom or EF to GF mount for Fuji GFX100?
The latter I was considering for stills and video....I hope you might have some time for thoughts on this...I really love the pano type aspect ratio, especially for stills...
Thank you again, and as always enjoying your content!!
CC
Thanks! I think they should be okay on those cameras! :)
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Hello, I just got my Great Joy 50mm anamorphic in. Looks great. I'm currently trying to hook it on my FF sensor M10M.
Now, I"m trying to figure the best tool, and workflow to desqueeze AND, if possible...keep with a RAW workflow. I'm not exactly sure what numbers to put in to de-squeeze.
Any suggestions?
Thank you in advance!!
CC
Great video! I just read that they’re coming out with FF ones that will not have different squeeze factors, no matter the focus distance. Is this true?
Their 35mm, coming up soon, doesn't have the squeeze change. They claim the same for the future 85mm.
Someone on the Facebook group mentioned there's no varying squeeze and no mumps. Was it Mathieu? Can't look for it. Or were it the 1.5x ones from Venus...?
Anyway, a bit of a bummer. But I must admit I'm not down with the T2.9 trend, it's pretty much one stop too slow for me. Flares, hm, reduced and if they come up not very nice (at least no green, maybe Sirui can take notes)
See, I know it's pedantic. The price is hot and what they deliver is good. Maybe more lenses follow (would be awful if not; I also hope they are not only aiming for FF), so a rather cheap anamorphic set is manageable.
But it's still a lot of dough. And for what it costs, it just doesn't tick enough boxes. And nothing to work around the "issues". It hurts to say
I agree on all the notes. I haven't started watching the reviews yet to see who might've said that. The ones from Laowa are pretty clean (video coming next week). T2.9 is kind of lame overall, and I'm having a hard time understanding the trend.
I think we're starting to see the beginning of a road which will take a few years to develop where we'll have a good array of affordable anamorphics to choose from and tick the boxes we want ticked. So far this one is my favorite of the new wave of cheap scopes, but who knows what the future brings? :)
@@AnamorphicOnABudget >and I'm having a hard time understanding the trend.
I think it's price/performance, ultimately. So much more glass means bulk and money. But yeah, bit of a bummer.
Keen to see the Laowa. That I think of it I kinda believe I heard no mumps about that one (and I think it was a sales rep from them who spammed teaser-adverts on the group... yeah that might be it, if memory serves me right). 1.5x is kinda lame in its own regard and I recall the flares were hideous but well... you win some, you lose some, but ultimately right now you don't gain some, haha
@@LucasPfaff the only things “wrong” with this lens is really compromising. 1) Changing Squeeze Factor 2)Protruding element is annoying 3) Only T2.9. I would have paid more and dealt with a heavier lens to fix the squeeze and get a T2 but the general public who aren’t pixel peeping nerds like us won’t even know what mumps are and 2.9 is fast enough.
@@JitDawgBruhDang it's actually the seasoned pros I only ever hear talking about slower lenses being enough. Especially the come-and-get-crowd has speed over everything, I mean there's plenty of stupidly fast lenses because of that.
In the end, we can get the Vazen, which makes a lot of things better. For a price. And I don't think Vazen has a terrific markup
@@LucasPfaff Yea, T2.9 is adequate. The atlas Orion goes to T2 but it is as sharp as baby throw up when shooting wide open but sharpens up quickly at 2.8. This line of lenses won’t be beaten by any lens being released this year unless Laowa lenses give a 1.8x Stretch at least
So just to clarify what you said at 3:45. These lenses won’t fit on to any cameras with internal ND’s? In my case the Ursa Mini Pro G2 which has both PL and EF options?
I'm not sure about cameras that have internal NDs. I know adapters with internal NDs will fail. The campaign page has the specs on the protrusion so you can compare that to the depth of the camera mount to the ND! :)
can i ask what camera u shoot this footage with?
Lumix S1H
blue or amber and why amber? :))
Personal choice? :)
👍🏾🙏🏾
1399 dollars ohhhhh
so basically cant be used with black magic cameras...
Sure it can.
@@timlinssen not natively as black magic has built in nds
@@DAF21films You can use with cameras that have built in nds. You will only find problems with ND filters built into adapters (like the ef to rf mount one) and speedboosters.
Lol this is super cheap? Sure, compared to other anamorphic lenses, but not compared to a budget.
Define "a budget"? hahahaa You have a point, I won't argue.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget the definition of my budget is zero.
So it's "no budget"! Then I think you'll have a hard time in filmmaking. Anything is expensive when compared to "for free".
@@AnamorphicOnABudget how else could I be a starving artist?
EXCELLENT point there. hahahahahaah
A set of PL mount FF anamorphic lenses is getting more and more available to non millionaires. That's awesome!
Vazen is not gonna compete with atlas or pavo 2x.... price and look/feel... ps i cant affort those lenses any way 😂😂😂
I'm impressed by how sharp this lens is. I don't think I've ever been able to get as detailed an image with my Voigtlander 40mm f/2 + Kowa B&H + Rectilux no matter how precisely I tune it. The bokeh character isn't blowing my mind, but it is surprisingly more attractive than the slight "smearing" I see from the $8000 Vazen 50mm 1.8x. Also seems to have significantly less CA than the Sirui in this video. I feel like any complaints I might have can be corrected in post -- something I do regularly with the Kowa anyway. Anyway, I am pre-order #60 for a PL + Amber version as of this morning. Looking forward to playing with it and adding the other focal lengths later this year.
Nice to see you around here Zak!
Have you seen the video with the shots of the boots?
Which one of the two? The one from VintageLensesForVideo or the other one?
Good to know about the min focus squeeze factor, thanks for the info! Always a pleasure!
Went for the blue flare before I saw the review. Even after, I can live with those limitations for £1100 as opposed to the next £7/10k for the Vazen or Atlas Orion. These are tools and perhaps stepping stones. We’ve never had something of this quality at this price before.
Thank you for the good video. And I hope you have a nice day. God bless
The squeeze will bother me. But with the information you provided, i know what to expect and how to compensate. Now we need more camera with full frame 3:2 sensors to take advantage of such a lens
I think the GFX100 has 3:2 sensor...?
I used these Kowa anamorphic lenses a while ago and they are priceless, they made me have to compensate for some weird squeeze shifting as well.
Most camera sensors are 3:2, He's referring to ones that can record in open gate. Only Panasonic has open gate recording for less than $10,000
@@geoffreybassett6741 I wonder..what about shooting stills on a 3:2 camera with an anamorphic lens? That would use the full sensor, wouldn't it?
@@geoffreybassett6741 wrong, ZCAM E2 F6 has the same sensor as the S1H and can shoot open gate in 4K or 6K ProRes
You convince me. I just placed the order... I declare you the "Guru" of anamorphic lenses...
do you think T2.9 gives enough light?
I've used more expensive anamorphic lenses with similar or worse downsides. There's no perfect lens, but I'll be jumping on this set. As a side note, is it just me, or does it look like the blue flair version has subtler/ more natural flairs than the amber version? Hard to say with how little footage there is.
There's indeed too little footage, but I share your impression, that the amber version flares more easily.
Why should someone add black bars? Seems like a weird approach.
It is all about rendering the video in the right aspect ratio. U could also render a video which was shot with spherical lenses in 2.39:1 and could enjoy it on ur wide screen monitor without black bars.
Is there a budget anamorphic that would work with the c100 mkii? As I understand, these wouldn’t because of the internal ND filter in my camera body…?
Hi, great review :). Do you have any experience how Great Joy Anamorphic Set works on Red Helium 8k S35?
Thank you! This is an exciting time for filmmakers. I'm waiting for Great-Joy to complete the lens set (35 mm, 50 mm, 85 mm, I think) and then will get the full set. That would also give some time for the lenses to be out in the field, and learn of any other quirks that show up. Plus having one single anamorphic isn't very useful for my style of work, since it can get a bit jarring cutting between Spherical and Anamorphic glass.
For me, the EF/PL mount is the single greatest advantage over the Sirui, and I prefer the subtle flares of this one over the Sirui's "wilder flares". The Laowa Super-35 anamorphics are also coming soon, and those might be an interesting option for pairing with BMPCC 6K, Red Komodo or Canon C70 style cameras
35mm is bad Lens no flare 👎🏽
2.9 opening u cannot shoot in low light most difficult lenses in night sequence if u shooting film or Documentary u cannot match 35mm with both the lenses
I ended up buying this lens, but whenever I focus to infinity on the lens it is out of focus on my camera. I tested it and it seems like actual infinity is just a little past 18m on the lens. Can this be solved by shimming?
Is this a good option for BMPCC 6K pro? The crop seems different cause of FF not S35... I guess its flavors
Hey! Love your content. I have the 50mm Greatjoy lens. Could I use a wide angle lens with a 82mm filter thread in front of this to get a wider field of view? So I don't have to buy the 35mm haha.
Yeah, you could. The hard part is finding a *good* wide angle adapter that doesn't hurt quality too bad.
protrude, my baby!
Will you be able to use the EF mount version with my metabones? sike. Thanks for this video!
No. I say that IN THE VIDEO and explain why.
Awesome review! Vazen still looks better but the price is ....
Legal ver que o Joel Famularo é support member também, eu uso muito o phantom luts dele!
Awesome. It's a pity about the variable squeeze factor at minimum focus. I have a question if I may. How would this lens work on a Red Epic Dragon 6k sensor. I am in the market for an Anamorphic set and am yet to find anything regarding how these lenses work on Red platform.
It'll be absolutely fine. The sensor is smaller than the lens' image circle, so you get full coverage. The only thing to watch out for is the varying squeeze. :)
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Cheers much appreciated for the response.
3:50 I still don't understand, could you say it again?
YOU. WILL. NOT. BE. ABLE. TO. FIT. THE. GREAT. JOY. 50MM. ONTO. A. FOCAL. REDUCER. OR. ANY. KIND. OF. FILTRATION. THAT. GOES. BEHIND. THE. MOUNT.
Better? hahahaha
@@AnamorphicOnABudget So I can put this on my Metabones, right?
It'll be perfect. #sarcasm.
@@izzieb might be hard to balance it :))
So if I use this on the BMPCC 6K Pro in 3.7k anamorphic mode, what would my aspect ratio be? Trying to understand the workflow to get to 2.39:1. Anyone? too bad it wasn't 2x...... But we get EF, so I can't complain too much.
Use the calculator! www.tferradans.com/arcalc/go :)
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Calculator will not allow a timeline resolution of 4096x1716? It defaults to 1712 for 2.39:1.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget but didn't you mention that any camera body that uses internal ND like the pocket 6k pro won't fit? Or it'll fit just not when your trying to use the internal ND?
I said any adapter mounted filters, or focal reducers won't work. The camera bodies put the NDs very close to the sensor, and that still works. You have the accurate measurement in the campaign. They also say the lens fits fine on the BMPCC6K and other BM cameras with internal NDs.
The aspect ratio difference is minimal (0.25% difference), and 1712 is friendlier to codecs and quality of compression. That's something I built into the calculator and talked almost nothing about. hahaha.
How would you compare this to the Sirui T2.9 50mm anamorphic which was in the same price category?
I like the extra squeeze and mount options here better than the Sirui.
Does the Sigma EF adapter on a S1h works with this lens?
It should, yeah. :)
@@AnamorphicOnABudget thx
Will dummy adapters work on the EF say EF to E or mft obviously without and adapters or reducers behind?
Yes! :)
@@AnamorphicOnABudget brill! I was worried there for a second 😇
I was about to ask the same. Thanks!
probably my next purchase, can't wait for the 35 and 24mm
82mm diopters are a bit rare, no? hopefully soon more options will spawn, especially because a set of e.g. 2 diopters to cover 3 different filming scenarios (close-ups, mid-range run-and-gun and distant/landscape - which works out of the box / no diopter) would definitely be something of high interest
Here's a $20 set. bhpho.to/3yupVaZ. All that's really missing is a +0.5, and there are 86mm options out there (Rapido, Vormax).
@@AnamorphicOnABudget there is also tiffen, but those cost like 450usd
oh, thought Vivitar stopped at 77 :))
Thanks for the review and footage! Looks very nice. Tempted.
FF great, 1.8x squeeze, and weight, also great. I'm still looking for a lighter-weight option for gimbals. This is interesting for sure.
where do I get this dioptrin glasses to maintain the 1,8 anamorphic squeeze ?
The diopters I'm using are just regular single-element pieces, like this one: www.amazon.ca/dp/B004E580PY/
Has anyone tried the EF/PL versions on S35 cameras with speed boosters?
They hit the glass on the focal reducer.
Can anyone let me know if this lense is ok with the Zcam F6 and the internal END?
Yeah, it clears alright! :)
You lost me back there. Does the PL mount version comes with a EF adapter??
I think it does, but mine didn't have one, maybe from being a demo unit.
Which flares you like more amber or blue and why?
I'm more inclined towards amber. Mostly because the vast majority of flares are blue and I like being different. :P
I also wanted to thank you for covering the variable squeeze factor in such depth! I have maybe a dumb question. Would you need to change your squeeze factor at close focus in post based on what sensor your using? I'm sure you know what I mean, but to be extra clear, if I used this lens on a full frame camera at close focus and then in post realized that to get a natural look I would need to desqueeze to maybe 1.6x or 1.7x, would that same squeeze factor apply to a micro 4/3 sensor?
The squeeze change does not depend on the sensor behind it. :)
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Wait, so we cant use it on BMPCC 6k pro? :(
According to Great Joy you can. I asked before the launch because I need to make sure it'll first my camera.
Such a good review! Straight to the point and informative. You've gotten so much better at this!
Any idea when Great Joy’s 85mm version is coming?
No clue just yet, but I believe their 35mm is coming first.
Been watching you for a while now and you always have the best anamorphic gear videos!
Thank you!
I just got my Geat Joy 50mm Yesterday. I have been playing with it all day and I love it. As someone who has used Panavision C,E & G series as well as Arri master anamorphics - all I can say is WOW! I love the bokehs, as they pop up so easily and turns every specular hit into an oval bokeh. Flares are little hard to get, I agree. But Arri anamorphics give zero flares due to their coating. I also think it is better this way. No one wants to look like JJ Abrams and too many lares in a movie can give one headaches. Plus, we can always fit flare filters we used on Arri lenses. I did not see any distortion to faces on my footage. Thy were perfect. I assume your problem is due to PL mount. Great Joy and GH5 turned every shot I took into a cinema work. I love it! Beats the crap out of Sirui which I can hardly call anamorphic. I was hesitant to back the project up but I am so glad I did, I am flying. Can't wait for them to bring out new lenses so I can own a full set.
I love that you upload in true anamorphic!
So many youtubers through black bars on their content and call it "cinematic" but I can actually fullscreen your videos on my ultrawide monitor.
INSTANT sub!
Thank you! I'm actually talking about that difference in an upcoming video! hahaha
The difference is exporting in 1920x1080 or 1920x816(ish)
Or 3840x1630(ish) for 4K
Instead of black bars you actually crop the video. That’s it lol.
"I will not put this lens on any kind of focal reducer or any kind of rear filter."
APPROVED!
Finally the video is out 😂
I like the subtle vignetting, a bit of distortion and the uneven squeeze. It does actually have the Anamorphic qualities I enjoy. But I would need a wider lens for my hopes.
First comment! :)
Looks like a amazing lens!
I would think that with the protruding rear elements on the EF it would only work when there is no mirror to flip up, like dedicated cinema cameras such as The Reds or Canon’s C line. I’m thinking that with something like the Canon 5D series you would have to mount and remove with the mirror flipped up, or else it would smash into the lens.
Correct. That's the whole point.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget I understand that it is a consequence and downside of the lens, I don’t see how it is the point of it. Also since people commonly shoot video on Canon stills cameras I would have thought that warning was more important that the inability to add a speed booster.
Your reply makes sense. I guess I was hoping that the animation at the very beginning would clear this. I see more people filming with cameras without mirrors and using speedboosters than the other way around, so I thought that would be a more common issue. But you are correct. The mirror will hit the back of the lens if it's not up.
I'm new to this but am trying to gauge if it will work on DSMC2 Red cams with EF mount.
How PL mount lens fit in pansonic S5 ii ? Does it come with L mount adopter ?
It doesn't come with a PL adapter. You have to get one. Many options out there. I have Metabones and Wooden Camera, but used some others as well.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Sigma MC-31 Mount Converter/Lens Adapter (PL-Mount Lenses to L-Mount Camera) this can work ? So it means I can use these lens to any camera just get right adopter.
Yeah! The Sigma will work too!
3:28 - Golden Nugget warning. i.e. EF version
Have you seen laowa have announced 1.5x set of lightweight anamorphics? Excited to see review on your channel
You should come back tomorrow then! :)
This or the Sirui?
I'm more into this, at the moment.
Thanks so much for this review! Given the 1.8x info about closeup shot I’m going to stick with my Sirui 50mm 1.6x FF
Would it be possible to use a speed booster on an EF mount super 35 camera if one got one of the E, MFT, L, or RF lenses? I'm not very familiar with speedboosters and if they can adapt lens mount types like that.
No.
What is the difference between sirui 50 1.6x and great joy 50 1.8x if we use 16:9 sensor FF and set the aspect ratio to 2.4:1??? I mean If we use great joy 1.8x we have to zoom in to get the aspect ratio 2.4 : 1 right after desqueezing.. Will that be wider than sirui's 1.6x???
You have all the numbers! Just match them up here: tferradans.com/arcalc/go
Wow, I guess the girl in the B-roll section is your sister ? You look the same :)
Great video, as usual ! Looks way better than the Sirui..
Hahaha, correct! And the woman is my mom. :P
Thank you!
Which coating did you test? I am still in the dark what the diff is between blue and amber. I am assuming its the flare but then it sounds like its not that easy to produce one.
The one I had was blue. It's all a matter of preference.
Are there any filters that could augment the flare? It's a bit too subdued for my taste. Or even removing the lens coating?
I'd always avoid removing coatings. That said, I don't know how we could increase flare here.
Can't wait to see your Review on the newly announced anamorphic lenses from Laowa. It's insane how many anamorphic options are out there right now.
Come back tomorrow and the wait shall be over! :D
@@AnamorphicOnABudget hahah this guy is crazy! It's settled, see you tomorrow lol
Hey Tito,
I'd have a question regarding the anamorphic adapter Great Joy offers. I have a set if SLR Magic Microprimes for Sony E which have 82mm filter threads. The adapter takes lenses with 67mm filter threads, so my thought is if it would be possible to put on a 82-67mm step down ring on a Microprime and attach the adapter to it? I really did the look of the Microprimes and could imagine that this might work with longer focal lenghts like the 50mm/75mm ... maybe 35mm? Any experience here? Thanks a lot!
EDIT: I just found something really interesting. Cinegearpro is selling thread adapters (72/77/82mm) especially for the Great Joy anamorphic adapter and they are even made by Great Joy itself. They aren't listed on Great Joy's website, but they are obviously made for exactly my desired purpose. Good thing with these is that they replace the original 67mm thread of the adapter, so that little gap caused by a regular step-down ring would be gone. Weird I haven't heard of that thread adapter before from Great Joy directly.
Great to see the question and find the answer for it right below! Thank you for sharing your findings! Let me know if it works as planned! :D
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Alright, so I received the lens adapter + thread adapter yesterday, my findings with the Sony A7S III (=full frame image circle).
SLR Magic Microprimes:
- 18mm/21mm: forget it.
- 35mm: pretty much useless. Vignettes, gotta crop in to get rid of the vignette which makes it pretty much just as wide as without the adapter.
- 50mm: vignettes too, but useable.
- 75mm: no vignette at all. A bit soft though.
Tried it on my Tamron 28-75 F/2.8 G1 as well which was kinda interesting, somewhat useable between 45-75mm with a bit of cropping. Funny thing is, that you can actually use the autofocus when you set the adapter`s focus ring to a roughly correct distance. Also tried it with my Sigma 24-70 F/2.8 which was useless (heavy vignetting).
Gave it a try on my Sirui APS-C anamorphics as well, same conlusions as yours. However, will probaby not use it with the Siruis too much given that the 1.8 squeeze isn't too great combined with 16:9 sensors. For sure a great option for 4:3 sensors or everything not as wide as Sony's 16:9.
Overall ... well, quite nice if you want to get cheap anamorphic options in the 45-80mm range. However, not perfect for Sony.
The OD of the lens is 85mm I'm assuming correct?
Yeah, and not assuming, I say this in the video. hahaha
Mind must have wandered off at that point haha, thanks!
Looks amazing!
Do you have exact measurements of the protrusion of the rear element? Trying to figure out if it could go on an EVA-1 which has integrated IR and ND filters (although it would mainly go on a S1, it would be nice to have the option to put it on a cinema body). They seem relatively slim but still.
Wooden Camera states that any lens with more than 33.5mm of protrusion from the PL flange would not be compatible with a PL-modified EVA-1. The distance from the sensor to the rear element should not change between EF and PL mounts so a measurement of the PL version would give the compatibility of the EF version also.
Thanks for your work!
They have those numbers in the campaign page!
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Well now that you mention it, it would indeed have been smarter to start by looking there lol.
Thanks!
Wonder if it’s possible to hack it with an adapter for 2X, like the previous great joy kit 🤔
Probably, it just has to be a really big one! :P
So if I shoot with this lens on a pocket 6k pro would it fit but only if I don't use the NDs?
It'll work fine with the internal NDs. The issue is with adapter-mounted filters.
Very interested in getting this for the GH6. I wonder however, there is a MFT option but will I get a better picture overall choosing the PL with a Metabones adapter? Making the sensor more like a Super 35. Will the 0.71x create more vignetting with the wider screen? Obviously, still a newbie to this world but appreciate some advice.
If you're willing t spend this kind of money - why stick with MFT?
I'd go with PL. The optics are absolutely the same. You can mount it on MFT if you want using an adapter. As I said in the video - twice - you CANNOT use a speedbooster or focal reducer on this lens, regardless of mount selection.
Is this a better version than the Sirui 50mm?
I like the mount options here!
Is it possible to use a speed booster to use this lens with a Gh5?
It's not!
it has PL, so can it use with reflex film cameras?
You should be able to, yeah!
Thanks again for this review. I am def out for this campaign but will keep an eye on future options from Great Joy. Quick question, how are anamorphic rental options on your side of the town?
There are mostly Atlas lenses, and some of the bigger rental houses have Cookes and Kowas. A few LOMOs are owned by DPs that rent them out too.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget If you have any names for the Atlas ones, please send them my way.
Lorne and Lapham has them for rent. I think even Gearbase has them.
@1:40 *decreases, not increases
The focal length equivalence increases. The field of view decreases.
does it fit in sony a6400
Yes.
synchro focus design... another dealbreaker :( anyway still not bad lens when thinking its price. some people may be able to use this lens with variable diopter enough to cover. just... I'm not a person like em.
Hello, can EF lens be used on Sony E mount cameras?
Yeah!
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Thank you! I've been following your channel for a bit and appreciate the reply. Is there a EF to E mount adaptor that you recommend?
I've wanted to get into anamorphic for about 3 years and I think I'll finally pull the trigger and start with this one. It's not perfect but I prefer the subtle flaring with the amber option (seems more organic for my intended purposes). Giving you a follow in IG as well. Cheers Tito!
Thank you! I'm glad you found something that works for your taste! :D
I don't have any personal recommendations. I'd probably go with the cheapest possible, since the goal is to just get that flange distance correct and you don't need any electronics. :)
Oh boy oh boy, on paper seems great. Im mainly concerned about its weird EF mount
what's weird about it?
@@ODHunte the glass protrudes towards the sensor more than most lenses and will likely not work with some cameras internal nd systems or speed boosters
@@FULLofJOHN ah shame.. Well mine is on the way. I'll let you know how I get on..
@@ODHunte oh man please do! What are you filming with
BMPCC 6K Pro atm
Can you fit a reducer behind the lens????
😈
So will the EF mount option not work on the BMPCC 6K Pro since it has built in internal NDs??
I don't know how those NDs are installed and how close they are to the sensor. If they're closer than 20mm to the sensor, it should be okay.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget they seem pretty close but I am not sure what the exact specs are off the top of my head, that being said I ordered one of these lenses so we’ll find out if there any issues 😅
Of two lands just released a video with that combo, so I guess it would work! They'll certainly answer if you ask them.
ruclips.net/video/aUoRnJoj1Lc/видео.html
EDIT : oops, looks like it's the regular 6K, but I believe they have both so they should still be able to answer.
Flo over on Tale of Two Lands confirmed in his video comment section he tried it on the 6K Pro and it cleared the ND's!
@@brandonblackonline oh awesome! 🙌
Super cheap?? That thing is around $2000 almost the same as the other anamorphic lenses.
I never heard that $2000 = $32000. But good to know! hahahha. I reckon it's not *super cheap*, but it feels like that in comparison.
Meh, after using the Atlas Orion Anamorphics anything else just doesn't cut it. Any product called "Great Joy" sounds like a joke to me and thanks for making this review as I definitely won't be buying any. I don't think I can do any anamorphic now below a 2.0 squeeze after using the Orions.
For me the squeeze breathing is a deal breaker! Otherwise it's great to have a new entry into the anamorphic game
I agree. I'm passing on this lens, but I'm looking forward to the ever expanding selection of budget anamorphics. It's cool that's becoming normalish now.
Not impressed with the overal image quality.
This is a really tough one for me. The MFT choice is so tempting to work with my GH Cameras. I am a blue flare an oval bokeh fan so this particular lens scores low. I am puzzled as to what made you like this lens? The price is great, but I have the standard Sirui set and will likely upgrade to the Mars set for my “A” camera. 1.8 squeeze would be nice but absent a full set of focal lengths it would be more novelty than working tool. I will probably pass on this lens and perhaps be kicking myself later.