Alphabet is my second full time job after being with my previous tech company for around 2 years. I feel like this company is spoiled by the existence of Moma. Moma is overall a good thing - it lets you look up information very quickly. But it also means that when doing tasks - 1) people expect you to figure out from Moma results alone 2) Byzantine Internal tools and methodologies get a lot of traction over open source alternative because they show up on Moma. This makes the on-ramp process at Google noticeably longer in my opinion compared to other companies. While in my last job, I felt comfortable making major contributions at around 6 months in tenure - in Alphabet it took me until 9 months despite me having MORE experience. I did an internship at Amazon which was only 3 months. But since Amazon relies on Intellij, standard AWS, Git and other open source tools I used in college I felt that was enough time to gain a solid understanding.
@@boyalgo excited to see a direct response! Keep up the good no-bs vlogs, I'm a sde in AWS in a pretty decent org & team (compared to your experience at least) and I'm looking forward to jumping to Google because... More money means less years I need to work before I'm FIRE. Your perspective sounds much closer to mine and far away from those of the other engineers on yt. It's insightful and reassuring to know somebody else is having my same impressions and similar thoughts regarding the big tech world.
Scared of a survey not being anonymous but thinking they don't know about every single social media their employees talk about them on including the ones they own? Idk man I think you just gotta be honest, they might try to help you out.
Yeah, I feel that boyalgo shouldn't spread FUD about individuals seeking help from their managers. Sure, it may make you look bad but nobody's perfect when they're trying to become better, and that involves keeping your manager keyed in about how you're feeling and what they could do to help you work better.
I don't feel like I'm underpaid. But I feel like the WORK IS SO DAMN HARD. Dude, like I told you before. I'm a new grad and holy crap is there so much to learn and so much to do. Doesn't help that Sundar started the whole GRAD thing. I just wana chill man. It's like so much code is just layers and layers of abstraction. Sigh. Also screw proto buffs man.
@@boyalgo I wish you the best of luck during GRAD check-ins man. I'm still kinda new so I don't have much to write about. But my manager is a real stickler. Are you in the Google discord?
That's the thing when a code base has so much abstraction, it takes longer for new people to learn. It's like show me some code that actually does something!
Promotions would not put anyone at the top of the band. You simply move up by 6% with your base. Or go to the bottom of the next pay band. It depends on which is higher. His only way to make “top of the band” is to just interview elsewhere. But the economy is so bad right now, it’s not necessarily easy to job hop at the moment. Maybe it’s easier for him as Senior though.
What you need saved for a good life is quite static though. Takes you not long to get about $2m saved. That's enough for life. $1m saved + house. There's no need for more frugal/more extravagant lifestyle adjustments. It's pretty much set in stone.
I think 500k is crazy. When it comes to risk, nothing compares to civil engineering, (maybe there’s some CDC or scientists jobs that do - doctors of course, but they’re compensated for it) and seniors won’t dream to see 500k, I don’t think Vice Presidents do either - not sure about presidents but I’m sure they don’t see 500k/year in their lifetime lol - as a civvie, the field is unappreciated, underpaid, the risk is INSANE, and it just doesn’t add up unless you’re passionate about it. **edit** I also think SWEs/SDEs that deal with work that can immediately take people offline or screw something up for their entire company is a huge risk & they should be compensated well. But like is 500k not enough 🤣🤣
In my case I make about the same as everyone at my level at my company; it feels fair and I felt good about it. Then I found out developers at my same level at our parent company are making about double. I've felt underpaid ever since. Still the company is awesome in every other regard so it's hard to complain. Any openings at Google? lol
Boyalgo, do you feel like over the long run when new coding languages become popular and some that we know today become obsolete, that keeping up with any newer code by possibly self learning will be too much or too difficult to stay afloat and maintain a job?
This is not a problem for backend engineering. For front end, while there have been 4 javascript frameworks cycle through popularity in the last decade, for backend the overwhelming amount of work is still Java & C++.
2:38 I think you are being broadly vague, any employee positions even in startup will feel underpaid if actual work not matched with job partition. Unless its owner position.
Hey man, started watching your videos yesterday - saw your sad day in the life... Have things improved since them or are you still feeling burnt out? You mention a lot that you feel you're one of the weaker engineers, do you feel that could influence the hours you have to work or would you just be piled with more work if you was more efficient? Do you personally have a tendency where you overcommit yourself to your work, I'd love to get some more insight (in future videos or a reply) on how you are as a person since I feel that could be really valuable to the viewer and could help people to decide whether they want to move into this field. Thanks for showing us some real stuff regardless :) I can't remember who said this but I feel everyone should hear it... If people are so happy with their jobs - why are they spending so much time preaching about how good they are on RUclips attempting to get monetisation there - be careful who you place your trust in; usually the raw brutal truth is more honest than an aesthetically pleasing set-up where you see the creator working less than 2 hours a day.
A degree from a top school is a huge help, but not a requirement. I barely graduated high school and dropped out of college. I’ve been at Google for 2.5 years. I’m my case, they focused on the impact of my project during my time as a contractor, and the feedback of my team and interviewers.
Yoo, it feels good to hear someone else that hates their big tech job 😂 I’ve been super depressed since I joined amazon and I’m stuck in team match at goog. Lmk if your HM needs any more engineers lol
Good video. I would add that levels are somewhat restricted as well. You could be the most talented programmer in the world, but big companies still won't promote you to principal at age 27.
@@gabrielafotey5069 some of it is big company bureaucracy, some because it's hard to prove just how good you are to people you don't work with. Also stuff like not making other employees jealous. So years of experience gets factored in as a short hand
Brah, ur colleagues in google dont watch ur videos? If somehow this video for example, reach to them, wont u be in some kind of trouble? Wish u success tho!
What level of math have you used at work? From what you've seen at the company, what would you recommend? I would imagine Linear Algebra would be the minimum, right?
Well I mainly have looked into SWE for games in the past, and essential ALL tech roles in that industry require Linear Algebra. I wasn't sure if this was the case for general SWE, since I remember some of my CS friends mentioning their various math classes back in college. I've also since various complex equations in Algo docs that I don't recognize, so I was seriously confused if this field is Math heavy or not. I understand it would be for Statisticians and Robotics.
If you are a good dev you bring way more value to your company than you get paid. Of course. This is the reason why they hire devs in the first place. Devs scale very very well. You simply can't expect a share of the profits the company is making with you.
Senior Engineer: Generates/Saves Google $30 million/year Gets paid $500k Boyalgo: Generates/Saves Google ~$300k/year Gets paid $200k Logic: Boyalgo is taking the senior engineer's money and needs to return the money
@@boyalgo Senior's are putting 60x margin on the table and Boyalgo is on 1.5x, they'll put you on intern level unless you pour some effort into the work.
@@NobleSpartan I'm just checking bias-variance tradeoff, where viewers try to favor creators more than facts, this is nothing personal, just for research purposes.
Alphabet is my second full time job after being with my previous tech company for around 2 years. I feel like this company is spoiled by the existence of Moma. Moma is overall a good thing - it lets you look up information very quickly. But it also means that when doing tasks - 1) people expect you to figure out from Moma results alone 2) Byzantine Internal tools and methodologies get a lot of traction over open source alternative because they show up on Moma. This makes the on-ramp process at Google noticeably longer in my opinion compared to other companies. While in my last job, I felt comfortable making major contributions at around 6 months in tenure - in Alphabet it took me until 9 months despite me having MORE experience.
I did an internship at Amazon which was only 3 months. But since Amazon relies on Intellij, standard AWS, Git and other open source tools I used in college I felt that was enough time to gain a solid understanding.
There's a meme (at least in India) that everyone wants to work for Google bcoz their's no work to do. It's free money.
they have that meme here too. then i joined google and its fucking insane for me 💀💀💀
no i think its because of their CEO
There’s actually a lot of work to do lately but I do see some Indians be lazy and not want to work 😂
Its because other careers don't pay as much as tech sector
@@boyalgo what you mean with „fucking insane“ it is like the meme? Or it is the opposite?
You're growing quick! Let's see you grow man
Do you really?
They are not ungrateful, it's just that the market rate for devs is so high they are probably right and they are actually underpaid
agreed that the guy is probably underpaid based on market rate. hes a super valuable engineer and the team would definitely feel the impact if he left
@@boyalgo excited to see a direct response! Keep up the good no-bs vlogs, I'm a sde in AWS in a pretty decent org & team (compared to your experience at least) and I'm looking forward to jumping to Google because... More money means less years I need to work before I'm FIRE. Your perspective sounds much closer to mine and far away from those of the other engineers on yt. It's insightful and reassuring to know somebody else is having my same impressions and similar thoughts regarding the big tech world.
You are a pro, brother!!
Every video is a help for a CS grad🔥
Your way to put things is unique!
Scared of a survey not being anonymous but thinking they don't know about every single social media their employees talk about them on including the ones they own? Idk man I think you just gotta be honest, they might try to help you out.
Yeah, I feel that boyalgo shouldn't spread FUD about individuals seeking help from their managers. Sure, it may make you look bad but nobody's perfect when they're trying to become better, and that involves keeping your manager keyed in about how you're feeling and what they could do to help you work better.
Damn you blowing up. First time I saw your channel a month ago you had 800 subs. Now you are at 5.77K subs!
I don't feel like I'm underpaid. But I feel like the WORK IS SO DAMN HARD. Dude, like I told you before. I'm a new grad and holy crap is there so much to learn and so much to do. Doesn't help that Sundar started the whole GRAD thing. I just wana chill man. It's like so much code is just layers and layers of abstraction. Sigh. Also screw proto buffs man.
GRAD scares the shit out me too LOL. Im getting paid to edit proto files all day 💀💀💀
@@boyalgo I wish you the best of luck during GRAD check-ins man. I'm still kinda new so I don't have much to write about. But my manager is a real stickler. Are you in the Google discord?
That's the thing when a code base has so much abstraction, it takes longer for new people to learn. It's like show me some code that actually does something!
Same here I’m a new grad been here 7 months buys still feel dumb af. My manager works 12 hrs shifts and I can’t even work 8🤦♂️
@@deuce5243 12 hrs? Dude which team are you in GCP?
Promotions would not put anyone at the top of the band. You simply move up by 6% with your base. Or go to the bottom of the next pay band. It depends on which is higher. His only way to make “top of the band” is to just interview elsewhere. But the economy is so bad right now, it’s not necessarily easy to job hop at the moment. Maybe it’s easier for him as Senior though.
economy is about to get worse, brace for impact
What you need saved for a good life is quite static though. Takes you not long to get about $2m saved. That's enough for life. $1m saved + house. There's no need for more frugal/more extravagant lifestyle adjustments. It's pretty much set in stone.
I love the video style, really interesting but also chilled vibes
thanks 😘
Enjoy your videos man. Keep making em.
I love my work - life balance, its like my life revolves around my work - this was the greatest line I heard
I think 500k is crazy. When it comes to risk, nothing compares to civil engineering, (maybe there’s some CDC or scientists jobs that do - doctors of course, but they’re compensated for it) and seniors won’t dream to see 500k, I don’t think Vice Presidents do either - not sure about presidents but I’m sure they don’t see 500k/year in their lifetime lol - as a civvie, the field is unappreciated, underpaid, the risk is INSANE, and it just doesn’t add up unless you’re passionate about it. **edit** I also think SWEs/SDEs that deal with work that can immediately take people offline or screw something up for their entire company is a huge risk & they should be compensated well. But like is 500k not enough 🤣🤣
Hey, I’m pretty sure that’s SOCO in Costa Mesa. I didn’t know you work at Google in Irvine. That’s cool
i actually work in Mountain View but my parents are in socal i spent the week visiting 😂😂. But great eye!
Love your videos as someone who will start a new grad sde position at a financial institution next year
Keep making videos! Milk that Google boy. Milk it.
hell yeah will milk this till they drop me 😂😂😂
In my case I make about the same as everyone at my level at my company; it feels fair and I felt good about it. Then I found out developers at my same level at our parent company are making about double. I've felt underpaid ever since. Still the company is awesome in every other regard so it's hard to complain. Any openings at Google? lol
Boyalgo, do you feel like over the long run when new coding languages become popular and some that we know today become obsolete, that keeping up with any newer code by possibly self learning will be too much or too difficult to stay afloat and maintain a job?
I think a lot of no code tools are slowly getting popular for this reason.
This is literally software engineering. What do you mean?
This is not a problem for backend engineering. For front end, while there have been 4 javascript frameworks cycle through popularity in the last decade, for backend the overwhelming amount of work is still Java & C++.
Love watching your videos
One of the reasons they feel underpaid might be silicon valley expenses
So people with good level of experience can expect around 500k total compensation in Silicon Valley ?
Can you change your intro to "its your boyalgo" please 😔
this google campus looks beautiful, where is it at?
What is your main programming language?
java :)
boyalgo never dies
Good
Quite insightful.
oc mix is one of my fav places. you work out of irvine office?
I visited and worked out of Irvine office on several occasions but nay. Currently a bay area boy :)
ah got it. would love a vid from the irvine office next time you're there if possible :o)
2:38 I think you are being broadly vague, any employee positions even in startup will feel underpaid if actual work not matched with job partition. Unless its owner position.
Hey man, started watching your videos yesterday - saw your sad day in the life... Have things improved since them or are you still feeling burnt out?
You mention a lot that you feel you're one of the weaker engineers, do you feel that could influence the hours you have to work or would you just be piled with more work if you was more efficient?
Do you personally have a tendency where you overcommit yourself to your work, I'd love to get some more insight (in future videos or a reply) on how you are as a person since I feel that could be really valuable to the viewer and could help people to decide whether they want to move into this field.
Thanks for showing us some real stuff regardless :)
I can't remember who said this but I feel everyone should hear it... If people are so happy with their jobs - why are they spending so much time preaching about how good they are on RUclips attempting to get monetisation there - be careful who you place your trust in; usually the raw brutal truth is more honest than an aesthetically pleasing set-up where you see the creator working less than 2 hours a day.
Is higher education a must for being a software engineer at Google?
A degree from a top school is a huge help, but not a requirement. I barely graduated high school and dropped out of college. I’ve been at Google for 2.5 years. I’m my case, they focused on the impact of my project during my time as a contractor, and the feedback of my team and interviewers.
Hi , Can you make a video on resume building .. i am feeling stressed out creating resume that makes past the Resume AI filter but also decent enough
Long live Boyaglo
Love your videos
i love you dog 🥔🥔
Lol’d at the extremely sus survey results
i want to become a SWE but i don’t know where to start
Lol I don't trust it also. I don't think it's anonymous.
To me Boyalgo you are priceless 😍😍😍
Even though u have a big tummy n smol head 🦊
Google let's you talk about all of this ?
Yoo, it feels good to hear someone else that hates their big tech job 😂 I’ve been super depressed since I joined amazon and I’m stuck in team match at goog. Lmk if your HM needs any more engineers lol
You dont wanna join my team 😂😂😂. Good luck with team match tho buddy
Just say you don't mind leadership match.
Believe me it is far better than Indian software engineers. Even after 8 yrs they are getting paid 40-50000 which is also rare.
What is the average rent in Bangalore versus the average rent in San Francisco.
How can you be unhappy with 500k salary. That’s how much surgeons make
I think those who feels underpaid should consider startup company in seed A, high risk high reward
Good video. I would add that levels are somewhat restricted as well. You could be the most talented programmer in the world, but big companies still won't promote you to principal at age 27.
Why?
@@gabrielafotey5069 some of it is big company bureaucracy, some because it's hard to prove just how good you are to people you don't work with. Also stuff like not making other employees jealous. So years of experience gets factored in as a short hand
@@tofuprogrammer thanks man
Brah, ur colleagues in google dont watch ur videos?
If somehow this video for example, reach to them, wont u be in some kind of trouble?
Wish u success tho!
Another algoboy style video :) thanks bro
They have to be underpaid after disabling playing hi-res audio formats as DFF & DSF.
Heyyy, i like your videos bro (and your voice lol), saludos desde Chile 🤠🗿
just wondering why is it so empty in all of your videos? I mean people.
I'm curious, do you have a discord server we can join?
What level of math have you used at work? From what you've seen at the company, what would you recommend? I would imagine Linear Algebra would be the minimum, right?
lol at this clown thinking swes use linear algebra
lmao, simple math is like the max you will use.
Well I mainly have looked into SWE for games in the past, and essential ALL tech roles in that industry require Linear Algebra. I wasn't sure if this was the case for general SWE, since I remember some of my CS friends mentioning their various math classes back in college. I've also since various complex equations in Algo docs that I don't recognize, so I was seriously confused if this field is Math heavy or not. I understand it would be for Statisticians and Robotics.
If you don't like this job,leave it and do what makes you happy
morning
hi
commenting for algorithm :)
boyalgo
🦊🦊🦊
W video
ya i definitely would not survive at a big tech company lol 💀im ok with that i guess
where are you going next month
i am not going anywhere
If you are a good dev you bring way more value to your company than you get paid. Of course.
This is the reason why they hire devs in the first place. Devs scale very very well.
You simply can't expect a share of the profits the company is making with you.
My two friends joined Google because there is no work and free money. I didn't join Google because of this reason :P
Hehe boy
Bro I how much do you really need making 500k and still made. My broke ass must not understands lol saying all of this as I eat a cup of noodles
Imagine this whole time he doesn’t work at google, he’s a narcissist playing us lmao
Boyalgo: Low IQ -> Overpaid
Other Employees: High IQ -> Underpaid
This means you are taking their income, just return the money.
Senior Engineer:
Generates/Saves Google $30 million/year
Gets paid $500k
Boyalgo:
Generates/Saves Google ~$300k/year
Gets paid $200k
Logic: Boyalgo is taking the senior engineer's money and needs to return the money
@@boyalgo you are the smartest guy i know boyalgo, i love u
@@boyalgo Senior's are putting 60x margin on the table and Boyalgo is on 1.5x, they'll put you on intern level unless you pour some effort into the work.
@@thetrends5670 you aren't real
@@NobleSpartan I'm just checking bias-variance tradeoff, where viewers try to favor creators more than facts, this is nothing personal, just for research purposes.
Blame it on your Google's Indian CEO, a migrant from India who came to the U.S. with a work visa to work in the tech industry.