The CONFUSING HISTORY Of SPIDER-WOMAN
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
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The whole Spiderman/Spider-Woman thing is why my mom bought me the final issue when I was little. It traumatized me. Fast-forward 20+ years and I collected all the comics out then.
Actually, I now have a cat named Jessica Drew. The rescue misgendered her, and her name was Peter Parker when I got her.
There is so much to unpack here.... 😉
I love every bit of this. Keep that love man. Jessica is an OG and deserves it. Wonder if she’ll make an appearance in the Madame Webb movie
We need more writers like Mark Gruenwald who care about continuity.
Truth.
Mark was the E. Nelson Bridwell of Marvel. (y)
Preach it bro!
Absolutely.
Yeah, they don't make 'em like Mark Gruenwald anymore. Len Wein was another writer with an amazing grasp of continuity.
Mark Gruenwald was just the most amazing sounding super-nerd that made it with Marvel. I wish he were still with us.
I still remember the memorial pages when he passed away. They were in almost every book.
If you can find a copy of the first printing of the Squadron Supreme TPB he will actually be with you. His ashes were mixed in with the ink used to print it.
@@2323stickboy That is. Morbid but fascinating,
"I don't know what to do with that character ?!"
Sums up Spider-Woman and most of superheroes nicely.
How so
@@aaronjames3228 Every superhero has a gimmick, but not everyone has a story to tell, and if character doesn't have an essential idea, his own core story that defines him he doesn't work as a main character for solo series.
@@user-ManofStyle1 which is where a good writer creates that core idea.
The most obvious example I can think of is Mr Freeze in the animated series, but to some degree every writer does this when they put a spin on their new run.
But hardly any do it well, or understand what a previous author did.
Jessica Drew is awesome, especially in the 70s cartoon, and so is Julia Carpenter who is underrated.
"So, endearingly, nerdy," is such a great phrase. Very few people who look at me would describe me, reflexively, as nerdy, but what is inside cannot be denied.
True
Please do a Gruenwald dedicated video. It’s honestly so sad how Marvel hasn’t had decent continuity in years and he kept everything so TIGHT.
Wdym
Him and Jim.
YES! I hate it when comics change artists, it's one of the reasons I'm more into manga bc the artist is also the writer. The first artist that drew for silk was really good and then the art changed and I stopped reading bc the art was almost unrecognizable.
And rarely if a new artist pops in for a comic book, is it better than the previous. Most oftentimes it's a downhill struggle until its dog poop.
That's not always true
@@alpyki2588 you sound like you just have a biase
Many good books have bad art. I don't think any good books have bad writing!
2021 and 2022 Silk is great tho. Great art and great stories.
"Don't tell me how to feel, Marvel, cause you don't know me."
👏👏👏👏👏
Gruenwald's love of continuity is part of why I loved him. It is a feat of memory trying to memorize all the minutiae. and after years I finally gave up, but people like Gruenwald, Busiek, and Waid are my type of writers with their encyclopedic knowledge of characters and timelines.
You got me with "dont tell me how to feel because you dont know me".
Marvel
@@Blaque90034 ?
I honestly really liked the pregnancy arc as well as what followed with her raising her super baby and developing a relationship with porcupine. This arcs where the first ones i read about her and help me fall on love with the character.
I’ve definitely binge read a character. And I had no idea how chaotic Spider Woman’s origin is.
The writers and artists and fans would have a "beat Mark" trivia competitions. He would smoke them all.
Yep. I have definitely dropped books if the art sucks.
Ron same
Yes as Henty Scagnoli told me The Spider-Woman Comics series got cancelled for among other reasons there were many different origins and none of any of them of which agreed with the one in the cartoon. Btw The one in the cartoon is very similar to Spider-Man's origin.
Congratulations Sasha on the pregnancy!!!! Please continue being safe and loving the content. ❤
Im Jealous
@@SupaSecretSensei of what
@@aaronjames3228 use your brain
Okay, I'm late to the party, but I don't get this compulsion from people to congratulate someone for such a common and unremarkable event. It's like congratulating someone for achieving a bowel movement.
I know it's a formality, but, personally, I feel we practice way too much unnecessary formalities. Let's reserve our congratulations for Nobel Prizes and other accomplishments that took actual work to achieve and not on something that has a whole industry on manufacturing prevention aids.
@@JanetStarChild just because pregnancy is a common and regular thing doesn’t mean it’s unremarkable, mothers and children can still die from complications or without the correct care. Fool.
Art matters. I follow artists more than writers in comics. There’s more great artists in comics than great writers.
Love the Salt Alert.
Exactly why i read manga. Everybody wants to see something beautiful and to suddenly change artstyles in a comic is a turn of for me. Some manhuas i've only kept tabs because of its beautiful art despite its shitty story, and some are just not salvageable by their art alone.
@@jacobmorta3047 lol weeb
While this is true, there are more good books with bad art than with bad writing.
With your love of Marc Gruenwald, I would LOVE to hear your thoughts on his 1985 magnum opus maxi-series "Squadron Supreme".
The idea of Bendis knowing all things Spider-Woman is a pretty funny idea, as his idea of "knowing" a character seemed to start and end with what he wanted the character's story and personality to be at the moment. His claim of hints was equally funny. Any hints that Skrull Spider-Woman was wrong would have been based on differences with a version of Spider-Woman that at that point only existed in Bendis's own mind. (I remember people looking for "hints" as well around that time. You couldn't tell the difference between a possible "hint" and just bad writing or even production mistakes.) As for how she speaks, it often felt like all of Bendis's characters spoke with the same Bendis voice anyway.
This episode felt like one of your previous videos where you discuss a character whose origin isn't revealed until well into their run. I've binge-watched all of your previous videos, trying to catch up, and suddenly in this video I learn (a) you're pregnant, (b) you already have a daughter, and (c) you have a cat. Multiple news flashes!
They should just make a Birds of Prey style book with Jessica Julia Mattie Anya Corazon and Cindy Moon
Claremont and Leiahola were my favorite Spider-Woman team. The art's beautiful and the female characters, strong. They nicely pass the Bedschel Test with the arc tying Jessica and the Viper so closely. Morgan LeFay made an interesting foe, too, and this was where they really tie back into the supernatural themes prevalent in the beginning.
I never had a comic switch artists, but I remember having the same feeling with Batman the Animated series. Watching the original run as a teenager, I remember really not liking the design of the characters in the last season to the point where I did stop watching. Thankfully I watched them later, but the art can sometimes make all the difference.
A spider being transformed into a woman sounds like a fascinating character to me. It's one of those way-out-there concepts I come to comics for.
Thank you SO much for saying you’ve stopped reading certain titles when artists were changed out.
I’ve done that more times than I’m brave enough to admit.
Secondly, I love your series. Wonderful presentation, insightful info. Keep up the good work.
Just found your channel and fell in love with it binging all the previous episodes now. Love your subject choices lots of personal favorites of mine too. So thank you for the hard work and research you put into these and if you ever decide to take over the world hit me up I'm totally ready to do your bidding
I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels like Brian Michael Bendis takes too much liberty when writing characters that aren't his.
The Jessica Drew Spider-Woman was AFAIK the first female spin-off character who had no connection whatsoever to her male counterpart. She Hulk and Supergirl were cousins of Hulk and Superman, Batgirl was the daughter of an important friend and ally of Batman. Ms Marvel (Carol Danvers) had been a supporting character for Mar Vell. All the other female spin-off characters were tied into the legacy of the male original. Should it be surprising that when the character didn't have that, most writers didn't know what to do with her?
Mark G was one of my favorite comic creators. He always had the industry's best interests at heart in my opinion.
Great video. Loving your content.
As you noted in another video, it has been suggested that what prompted Marvel to create Spider-Woman was learning about a Saturday morning Filmation cartoon that was in production, eventually called Web Woman. As far as I know DC had nothing to do with the cartoon. Superheroes were popular Saturday morning content in the 1970s and Filmation realised they could do just as well creating their own rather than paying to license existing comicbook characters. (Ironically one of the first superheroes Filmation created, Isis, actually got her own DC comic and ended up becoming part of the DC roster of characters. Filmation created her because DC apparently asked for too much to license Mary Marvel.)
Web Woman aired originally as part of the "Tarzan and the Super 7" series in 1978, and then was rerun as part of the "Batman and the Super 7" series in 1980. Filmation produced all the animation for each cartoon show, including Batman, but as far as I know DC had no connection with or ownership of the other characters in the other shows outside of Batman. So Filmation, not DC, are to blame for Spider-Woman.
Don't forget Micro-woman and Stretch. A Black superhero couple. Whaaa!! Anyway, wish I could find those series you list on DVD or RUclips even. My introduction into serious cartoons sans the idiotic pets/sidekicks: Bat-Mite, spinner, etc.
Jessica Drew as Spider-Woman is one of my favs
I don’t comment much on here but I wanna thank you Sasha, this has become my favorite channel on RUclips. I’ve recently started reading comics a few months ago and just appreciate the random information I pick up from here.
Sasha, you do such a great job of explaining history. Thank you again!
This was a great video. Loved it from beginning to end. Great info and perspectives.
You are really good at this. I've been watching your videos, non-sequentially, for about 6 hours now.
This was fun. Looking forward to checking out some of your other videos.
Discovered your channel by chance the other day and I have been binge watching your videos since! Absolutely love your content and your attitude towards everything you do! I'm all in! Thank you!
GOD YOU NAILED BENDIS
He really thinks he knows better for other peoples stuff sometimes.
Thank you. So well done!
Just wanted to say that I loved this vid. It's amazingly well researched. I remember buying the first few issues of Spider-Woman's series back when it was first released. Missed her first appearance in Spotlight. Because I dropped the book after a few issues, I never really followed the character much over the years, so, your video was fascinating to me. I always love "Hero Histories" and you are excellent at it. You really know your stuff and present it very well. I will definitely check out more of your videos.
Ok, now i need to know the history behind the X-Men
I am definitely subscribed. There is something about this gal that works. I like the vibe, jokes, and she is clearly quite knowledgeable on comics.
A video about a character I know very little about from a RUclips channel I love.
Awesome, imma watch
Great report. Well researched
I thought that Fleischer wrote great criminology. But Claremont was my favorite.i just think that the era missed some big opportunities. Such as addressing Jessica's growing dependency on meds that would suppress her powers when trying to pass among regular people. Also refusing to have her come out and coupled with the best friend who she moved to SF to live with.
I love your work! Please, do not ever change. I have stopped buying my favorite books because I did not care for the artwork, writing or both. I'll keep Casually Comics in my RUclips favs.
First came across Spider-Woman with the TV series, and loved it!
Now you've made me want to go back and watch it all again!
I was just rewatching your How Could Hal Jordan Do This! video, and I thought to myself, "If Sasha was teaching a college class on the history of comics, I would be the first to sign up." I always love and look forward to your videos; keep up the great work!
I feel like pregnant spider woman is weird because she’s active a lot and in a job that’ll literally kill her baby.
Great video! Thanks
I second your opinion on Bendis. Writers like him are so full of themselves. They don't know care of what came before. They know better... I have the same problem with Jason Aaron.
I am definitely a Jessica Drew fan, but also the Julia Carpenter version of SpiderWoman. I was a teen reading the Avengers West Coast series when she joined & I thought it was so cool 😎 💭
Thanks for this recap, it's really hard to find information on this character- so again thanks.
Your perspective on love the things you love is rather refreshing and in comic books you kinda have to do that considering bad writing and the occasional artist swap.
if your taking suggestions i do have one, do a piece on the "life of reilly" if you want to pull on that jackel thread a bit more.
Omg love your shirt!
I love obscure characters and come offering the following recommendations: Wonder Tot and/or Kole of DC fame. Love your work BTW =)
Awww you're adorable Regardless of the backdrop I don't mind as long as see you having a good time and rambling about your favourite subjects I'm more than happy!
I agree with what you said, if the art doesn't do well for me I just pass through it without reading it. An example is the Wonder Woman Rebirth run from like issue #55 to like #70, the artwork I just couldn't stand it.
I don't recall the circumstances, but I did binge-read a long run of *_Spider-Woman_* at one point, and noticed the abrupt changes to its storyline. I was really sorry that the Gypsy Moth plot was cut short - it was clearly setting up for her following of groupies to turn against her catastrophically.
When the series ended, Jessica was just beginning to set up a new kind of detective agency that would provide jobs for her "rogue's gallery" of super-powered acquaintances (villains and heroes alike), somewhat similar to the "talent agency" that was later run by Patsy Walker (Hellcat). I have wondered, more than once, how those stories might have turned out, if that book had continued beyond issue #50.
Thanks for this video. You have a great background,. I love your hair like this....easy to manage
Hey I'm enjoying your backstory videos, because I enjoy watching the arrowverse shows and the Mcu movie and watching 90s cartoons growing up, so I've not really read the comics. Thank you so much. Also in this video you mentioned the background which actually got me interested in your videos, I noticed you had a Buffy library edition graphic novel, so I had a suggestion, I would love for you to do a video on Buffy graphic novelization off the continuation of season 8-12 and the reboot series. Thank you, keep up the great work
Can’t stop. Won’t stop.
Lol love it!
I saw re-re-re-re-runs of her cartoon. It was very fun, spiderman showed up and had yellow eyes.
Hello, all the way from Belgium.
1. I love your take on comics (you love what you love, no need to bicker) and your
take on how to talk about them.
2. I always was a fan of your eyebrow 'cut' on 'TOP10nerd' and now that I noticed watching
your channel that it is a scar, you look 10 times more badass! RESPECT (for this and all
other points in this list)!
3. Did I hear correctly, you're pregnant (again)? Yay, Mazel tov!
4. Keep up the good work!
I discovered this channel a week ago and I like what you have to say. I have left certain comics when the artist changed. I stopped reading "Batman and the Outsiders" when the artist changed from Jim Aparo to Alan Davis, even thought the writer stayed the same. You are right about how an artist change can completely turn the tone of a comic. Have you considered doing a video about Dazzler? She is a female hero, and you are really good at covering issues with feminine superheroes.
You are amazing in this long form RUclips! Thanks for the strange story on Spider-Woman and Wow you have a daughter!?!? Go Sasha!
Really DIG your approach. Thanks so much. #subscribed.
Happy to see Jessica getting some attention, thanks Sasha
Dear Sasha!
IMO this is high QUALITY analysis presented in a very pleasant manner.
I wish you much success.
love
Steve Holliday
Congrats on your new rising hero/shero!
As usual I really enjoyed the video Sasha!
I liked you throwing shade at Bendis declaration that Jessica is British even though I think of her a British too.
Personally I would love for you to do an in depth video about the Eternal Sersi.
I feel like she’s a great powerful character that most people don’t know about yet.
You mentioned artist changes. I was a big Batman fan in the '70s when Denny O'Neill and Neal Adams did it. One issue Adams did the art .. The next issue was Frank Robbins. Talk about a shock to the system.
LOVE your comment on Bendis attitude. That's what I allways thought about him..
BTW on somebody else getting your name check the all new thunderbolts issue with the captain marvels confrontation about genus stealing Monica's name TWICE 😁
Just found your channel. It’s super dope.
"It was really a Skrull impersonating them" is a common thing Marvel do when someone's acting out of character.
You are amazing beyond words.. Nuff said...
I love your shirt!
Subscribed!
The artist change in A-Force was so jarring. It was one of the first comics I ever read and I was so confused as to why the art style just changed in the middle of the volume.
Cool video. Underrated character.
:) Very nice video!
Both Jessica Drew and Julia Carpenter are cool characters.
Jessica Drew is also very awesome when she shows in Madripoor to kick butt alongside Wolverine(Patch).
Art changes can be super difficult, but particularly so if it’s a really distinct artist. Fill-ins for Bachalo between issues can be preeeeetty hard not to notice.
I know, this is not what this video is about, but I love how everyone is casually throwing shade at Bendis work at DC xD
Also, now I'm really curious what exactly the plot of the original Spider-Woman run is, for it to be so messy lol
I've known "of" SPider-Woman throughout the years but never knew her origin. Got to "know" her a bit from the dope motion-comic where I heard her British accent and was hooked from there. Always pictured Rhona Mitra or Kate Beckinsale in the role.
Lol. On the "having your own name thing" - remember when Monica Rambeau threw down with Genis Vel for that very reason? Pretty funny.
Am I the only one that LOVE'S Roger Gocking A.K.A the Porcupine? His arc of henchman turned super hero was entertaining in the Spider-woman comics. Plus he's such a good guy I just want to see his star rise.
I really liked Jessica and picked up her book in the early part of that original run. It helped that Carmine Infantino drew her with Princess Leia buns in her civilian identity. My two earliest exposure to strong, female protagonists (Infantino was also drawing Star Wars for Marvel at the time. ) I truly appreciated the Avengers bringing Jessica back. She had a run in Wolverine as an ally adventuring in Mardripoor.
I Love your pizzazz and flare for history and comics. And now I know who to thank for the Marvel Handbooks I use to have one when I was a kid in high school and would read the hell out of it. #Blerd
Thank for this! I wait for your videos. Did you watch the series yet? I binged it again and it was even more cringy and wonderful than I remember lol! I would love for you to do a video about the origin Lilandra from the X-Men one of these days.... Also congratulations!!!
Thank you kindly
Spider turned Human sounded like a great idea.
You must read Avengers Annual #10.
Chris Claremont and Michael Golden created my ultimate one issue read.
It featured the Avengers (of course), Ms. Marvel, Spider-Woman, the X-Men, and Brotherhood of Evil Mutants.
It also introduced Rogue and started the Jessica Drew/Carol Danvers friendship (and wrapped up some troubling issues with Ms. Marvel's past).
The artwork is magical (except for the cover, which looks like a weird anthology billboard).
Yes I have always enjoyed your videos on comics it's just so weird how one character can have so many origins and back stories why can't there just be one originally origin thank you and as always be careful and safe and take care of yourself and family
“ u ever just read, binge all of a certain character and then like ur done” nuerodivergence at its best
Aww man confusing comic book history is my favorite 😆
You seem like a really cool person that would be an awsome friend to have. I'm not sure if this will seem awkward and creepy or nice/friendly... hopefully the latter.
Very nice job! This was my first visit to your channel but won't be my last.
Maddie Franklin! Glad that Spider-Woman arc was mentioned with the collected Spider-Woman collective grouping.
I stumbled across your Channel by accident. So I will take your presentation a few minutes at a time. First, I like the sparkly curtain. Excellent recap of Jessica Drew's History. I grew up a Marvel reader in the late seventies, so my first exposure to Spider-Woman came in the form of the mini appearances she would make in Avengers, her one appearance in X-Men with Dazzler, the Spider-Woman pocketbook, * a series of paperback books Marvel put out in the seventies and early eighties which reprinted the first eight issues of a certain character. She-Hulk, I wouldn't read until after she replaced the Thing in Fantastic Four after Secret Wars One. So I love your examination of the history of the character. To answer your question did I ever leave a book due to the art. Yes. X-Men. I left the book after Dave Cockrum, John Byrne, Brent Breeding, and Paul Smith, just as John Romita Jr. was taking over The X-Men, and I would never pick up the Book again. That's not to say I didn't Love the X-Men, but with the inclusion of Gambit and Jubilee, and the Fall of the Mutants story arch, as well as the number of spin-off titles after New Mutants, I gravitated toward the nineties Cartoon instead, since I was in college then and it was less expensive to watch a good series of stories on tv, than to try to add an ever-expanding series of titles during that time and until Jim Lee started drawing them I didn't like the art in the books. I, like Mark Gruenwald, was a stickler for continuity in Comics, which was why I collected the Handbook of the Marvel Universe. It gave me the ability to keep tabs on all the Marvel Superheroes in at that time the Marvel Universe and not the 616 Universe you all have come know. Back then it was just Earth. And the What If stories were just alternate stories of a given story arch. Not Parallel Universes which DC comics had killed initially with Crisis. As what happens when you get older, it becomes easier to quit collecting and if you want to catch up on what was currently happening you picked up a comic periodical in my Case Wizard Magazine to catch up on what all the companies were putting out, and what trade paperbacks to keep an eye out for and that was how I learned about Jessica Drew being renewed. I liked the Spider-Woman character, although while reading Marvel back then I could care less about the licensing reasons for Why Marvel did stuff. I never looked at Shulkie, or her as cash grabs, I just thought the books were poorly written, and hated the majority of her villains. The Tatterdamillion, or the Brothers Grim or the Hangman were as poor as the villains Johnny Blaze had in Ghost Rider during his first hundred issue run. And suffered from the same stuff. Inconsistency in the story arch to keep me engaged. A good looking flashy character is just not enough to keep me interested in a book. Even Now. Either way good job my friend. Keep up the Channel.
Her costume is really cool.