Great work Sasha! Can you do videos that cover the different versions of the Amazons? The peace loving and kinky pacifists from the Golden age? Badass warriors, scholars, artists, etc with personalities and characteristics from the Post Crisis era? To the rapist and child killers in the New 52? There's so many different versions of them and the New 52 completely ruined their reputation. Incels still use that era as an excuse to hate on the Amazons. Love your videos?
Given all the parallels and contrasts between the two characters, I find it odd that one link that is so obvious is so overlooked. Their names. Diana is the Roman goddess that was identified with the Greek goddess Artemis.
This was the period in comics where the main character got swapped out for more violent replacements. Batman was replaced by Azrael who had an even more extreme attitude than Bruce Wayne and wore a costume that made him look like a transforming mecha. But the Knightfall saga sold really well. Since it worked with Batman, they tried it again with Wonder Woman. Because it's not comics if they don't beat a good idea into the ground.
Her death was so sad. The panel where the demon ties her own lasso around her chest is so unnecessarily humiliating. I know he has personal beef with Diana but he really takes it all out on Artemis.
My friend was killed almost 2 years ago. i have been serverly depressed and fanfiction and comic channels have really helped me overcome my grief. Current comics are so dark i had to avoid them and go silverage for a few years. Your constant upbeat view on comics and being willing to accept change from any writer if its done with care, has really been a constant bright spot in my life. Your vocal support of fanfic is what inspired me to share the double self insert fanfic i was writing to deal with my loss. It on Spacebattles and its threadtag will obviously point it out if anyone cares. Thank you again, you really helped alot with my grief and my fiancee thanks you because I'm not sad all the time any more.
Kyle Ellis I'm so sorry for your loss :( may their souls rest in peace and speaking as a viewer, I'm happy this channel gives you the same sorta solace that it gives me. Much love and take care
So, so you're saying Artemis walked so Bakugo could run. (I honestly love her Jim Lee leather costume, her first joker costume on the other hand... Looks like she lives in Sin City as the warrior prostitutes.
Thinking about that moment when Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory said, "I'm sorry but in what universe is Wonder Woman blonde." And he has the audacity to call himself a nerd lol (￣^￣)ゞ
I personally like the Rebirth Artemis and the whole concept of the "Dark Trinity"....I think their light witted, humorous take on most situations provides a really nice balance to the big three.
@@danielseelye6005 I’m sure Wonder Woman’s creator/s would approve: though while it would fit with the bondage themes, they might have considered fishnets to be too much clothing haha. All the best. 😀👍
The only Artemis I was familiar was in Young Justice but in Red Hood and the Outlaws introduced me to this new hotter Artemis. Honestly, if she stayed as a alternate WW then maybe would have faded into obscurity but being in the Outlaws with Bizarro made her into her own character!!
Reading the run as it happened, it was shortly after Superman died and was replaced by four different supermen and Azreal replaced Bruce Wayne as Batman. I just figured it was Diana’s turn to have someone else carry the mantle. I was glad when Artemis returned and was able to develop her own identity. The art is more cheesecake than I remember though. Looking at it now I’m like {yikes}!
It's either in their death or superman video or knightfall video. But, comic pop talk about how it was all a gimmick by DC to show readers how they should appreciate the trinity more
Artemis’ introduction was the most true to Wonder Woman mythos as you could get. It had all the shock sexuality (Charles Marston would approve), fused with Greek Tragedy (Hippolyta sacrificing another for her daughter) and it’s injected the series with some electricity desperately needed after years of cookie cutter good-girl Diana.
I loved this run back in the day and I legit cried when Artemis died. But yeah LOT'S of cake for everyone lol that artist did that a lot. But the new equipment, Diana's rogue gallery face-off and the Demon fight at the end were 10/10. If not for those gauntlet she would of never have been able to defeat that Doomsday clone in the future. Lots of cheese (a LOT of it not necessarily) bad blood between mom and daughter and a few other stuff were not good in this run. It was a fun little time and I was sooooooo happy to see her return!
I used to hate that back in the day, but some of it was just going from DCAU Joker and I wasn't ready for something new and that different, but ended up liking him when going back without having the comparison in the front of my mind
@@felicea.432 I hated it then and still hate it now. Have no idea why they decided to make the Joker look like a homeless person. I liked some of the re-designs of the other characters on that show, but the Joker, nah.
It led into Queen Hippolyta eventually being forced to take the Wonder Woman mantle and traveling back in time to serve with the JSA, which was a brilliant story arc and way to cover the golden age WW idea and set it up more as a legacy mantle.
Artemis played the Jean-Paul Valley role to Diana's Batman, or the four false Superman after his death. We weren't supposed to get attached but you may be surprised. I personally love Azrael and Conner Kent.
Going to make me think way back on ths one. I remember liking Artemis after the fact, during the run I was kind of pissed off that anyone would even think of replacing Diana. I remember being really mad at Hippolyta over the new contest lol. I also remember being very confused because I was a young baby gay with an affinity for redheads lol So it was like, I hate you for being mean and taking Diana's place, but you're also kind really hot. lol Ok, so you should totally cover Hippolyta's run as Wonder Woman, and their arch in Our Worlds at War. And just because it's one of my faves, JLA Vol 1 #90 for all the glorious Wonder Bat p.s. Hope you and new Baby Shipper, and Little Shipper, and Mr. Shipper are doing well.
I'm a fan from this time. When this storyline was going on, in was generally known that John Byrne was taking over after #100, so anything that happened those 10 issues wouldn't last. Not expecting much, this run was much better than I expected! I love Mike Deodato's art, and I liked the biker shorts! I also liked how Diana was more down to earth for awhile; it was a time when the creators could be experimental, and they were! I'm a John Byrne fan, but when he took over, it felt like everything was returning to the status quo. As for all the cheesecake art, that was the 90's!! Not only were comic book publishers putting out swimsuit issues of their female characters, on the newsstand there were all the men's magazines like FHM, Maxim, etc., all ln competition for the same (male) audience. Getting back to Deodato, I'd love to see what you think of his Catwoman run!! It's disappointing how popular she was in her own book, created her own identity apart from Batman, but that seems to be long forgotten.
Speaking of John Byrne, what about a video where he patched the continuity hole from the first Crisis by sending Hippolyta back in time to be the JSA's Wonder Woman? I thought that was brilliant.
@@BlUsKrEEm i think they did oringally but being storm was in the fit for almost a whole decade it grew on people and became one of the hightlights in storm history whereas diana fit was around for only an arc so it didnt really key with readers
I love how generally positive your videos feel, even when covering something you have strong criticism for like this. Like even when a comic has legitimate shortcomings, you still make it feel like a worthwhile journey from start to finish. That's so refreshing to see after scrolling past a seemingly endless sea of videos entitled "The Problem With X", "What Went Wrong With Y", and the like.
I still have a copy of Artemis Wonder woman somewhere, I don't remember how I got it just when I was a kid, and I remember a bit that at the time I like Artemis more than Wonder woman because she was angrier, and I got that. Of course I also had only read like one wonder woman comic
I thought Artemis was more interesting when they brought her back as a kind of death knight in Artemis: Requiem. Her career as Wonder Woman was doomed before it began.
The chest harness is virtually identical to the ones that Amazons wore back in the Golden age, so I always figured that she dug it out of an old closet back on Themiscira
Thx for doing this video. Artemis is my favourite other Wonder Woman. I think it's mainly because of the personality developed overtime in other books.
If I ever, by some miracle, become a comic book writer, Artemis is so a character I'd love to write for. A maligned and goofy start, but so much potential to do something completely different and fun with the Wonder Woman mythos. And Diana's biker outfit was awesome just for how silly it was.
I enjoy cheesecake, I think it's a good indication of an artist's style and talent and it's just also pleasing to the eye, though I like it to feel a little more naturalistic. In a weird way Artemis' outfit being so strategically ripped is somehow _more_ revealing than actual nudity, as you could argue the latter falls within the confines of 'heroic nudity', as you see in a lot of statues and paintings (as well as characters like Dr Manhattan). I must say I really do like this art, though. Artemis' crazy ponytail is very larger than life and dynamic.
This! Man, I had hair down to my backside for a couple years, and it got caught on everything, sat on, my fiance would roll over onto it in his sleep and pin me down...I can't even begin to understand how anyone could think it made sense to design a character with hair so long that it's often pooling on the ground. Especially if you're creating a character who's supposed to be a hard-ass warrior woman from a grim desert tribe of Amazons...I'd figure a character like that would have as short and practical a hairstyle as possible.
I liked Artemis because by using different tactics we as the reader could see why Diana was better in the role of Wonder Woman but DAMN Artemis's hair is the stuff legend in this book HA!
My fave Justice League (second to the Detroit team): Electric Blue Superman, Artemis Wonder Woman, Azreal Batman, Harpoon-Hand Aquaman, Kyle Rayner Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter acting more serious and looking more alien, and poor Wally, who was still the same because Barry left in the 80s so he wasn't the new guy but he didn't try his dark stealth suit until the Elite in the 2000s. Ah, the 90s.
Red Hood with Artemis & Bizarro (B-Zero version) has been one of my favorite reads in post-N52 Rebirth. People often dump on Lobdell but this has been a fun read.
I think it lasted 3 issues. She became Wonder Woman in one, tried (and failed) to fit in as Wonder Woman in the next (Diana also returned to the US to continue her identity as Diana Prince). In the third, Orana died, and Diana returned her body to Paradise Island.
Jane Foster as Thor was handled very differently than Artemis as Wonder Woman, save for the parental characterization. Odin was depicted as a complete and utter asshole, much like Hippolyta. Although, TBF, it was hardly Odin's first go-around as a completely unreasonable, horrible, abusive parent. Aside from that, there were many key differences. Thor had become unworthy through his own self-doubt, as opposed to anything Jane did. Jane was a long established character with a relatively rich (although often one-note) history, and she wasn't written as as a complete jerk, as opposed to Artemis.
The art was pretty depictive of Mike Deodato (or really, Mike Deodato studios)...he did a heck of a lot of female comic covers back in the 90s, especially the indie stuff. Outside of this, Thor sleeping with the Enchantress was one of his well known works.
I was reading Artemis as Wonder Woman when the books first came out. I thought she looked too much like Jim Lee's Zealot from early issues of WildCATS. I like Artemis's current iteration a lot more.
As a kid I loved this arc, but I wasn't a huge fan of Wonder Woman before this and this was exactly what I wanted at the time, a big shake up. It did feel like it lasted longerwhile it was happening but looking back it was a quick blip in WW's history. I will also always have a place in my heart for Diana's new look here, yeah it's dumb but it was also a fun era where Clark was made of electricity and Jean Paul was running around in a giant metallic batsuit. I'll always be nostalgic for the early 90's since that's when I started reading comics.
I really loved wonder women's pants and jacket look. Probably one of my favorite costumes her's atlough it's probably because I think biker outfits are cool.
I really enjoyed Artemis and her story following her stint as Wonder Woman. I'm probably in a minority but i always wondered whether an Artemis tv series could work with her taking over the WW mantle as Diana has been depowered. I think we need an update video on Artemis especially with her being the "Magic of the Amazons" what does this mean?!?!.
The Liefeld-esque art was getting very heavy there for a bit. Then you showed the cover for the beginning of the Byrne run and I wanted to run screaming back to the cake! Yeah, they could have toned it down a bit, but it was comics in the '90s, so there you are. And yeah, I'm there for Diana in bike shorts! Daaaaaaaaaaamn....😍
My introduction to the lovely Miss Sasha was on that nerdy channel that does all the top ten lists. I stopped watching that channel for a specific reason but I couldn't give up watching Sasha vids, so here I am. I always thought she was my favorite lister over there because, honestly, she's so damn fine. And that little hint of a lisp destroys me. But I digress. I just listened to this video while shaving my head, so I physically couldn't watch. I found myself laughing out loud several times, and I thought, "when it's safe to date again and I have the time, I need to find me a woman with this kinda funny."
Thor in the crop-top is definitely one of my "WTF?!" ones. Especially the times when it got so small he was basically just shirtless, and he had Mjolnir on a big-ass chain instead of the leather strap because...reasons? Plus, the weird headpiece thing instead of the winged helmet, that just looked like so many 90s characters (Gambit, Havok, so many Image characters, etc.) that I legit for a moment mistook him for a long-haired version of Havok that was for some reason not in an X-family comic, especially since that was one of those weird places when they also often took away his archaic dialect. Also, Hawkeye in the skirt...is not half so weird as Hawkeye in the lavender shirt with the neckline that plunged to his belt, and the shorts. Never actually read comics during that point in Avengers history, but man...that one was a little bit too disco-era, even compared to things like disco-collar Nightwing.
This was really interesting. I never got familiar with Artemis, but the context makes perfect sense since early ‘90s DC was all about shaking things up, killing Superman, replacing Batman, and apparently Wonder Woman isn’t immune to shock writing trends of the time. After this video, seems like Artemis at this time was the Faith to Diana’s Buffy. Pretty interesting. As for over/underrated comic book costume designs, I prefer Wolverine’s mid-2000s yellow and blue costume over either of his classic looks. Brown costume, Tiger Stripe costume...both great, but the redesign just hits right for me. Great video!
I love the 600th Wonder Wonder look without the jacket. I do wish there was a Superman suit that was like the "Day of the Krypton Man" issue 42 suit with a few changes. The red part blue, add the S and a red cape.
Tbh Biker Wonder Woman is one of the most restrained 90s redesigns and I kinda love it for a story arc costume. You know it'll always go back to normal, but it looks really cool for a short time.
Biker Shorts WW looked awesome. I'm with you on that. I'm also a big fan of Artemis but not sure how much of that is Mike Deodator Jr. Okay, good portion of it is. But I also liked her fiery persona as a foil for Diana. Happy that Artemis has come into her own and didn't disappear into the comic book dust racks.
You are a HOOT and this is a gem. Also, it shows a nice little tale behind the big front. I've ordered it hoping I will catch hell for reading it at my coffee shop.
I liked Diana's black outfit because I realized it was going to be temporary and that she would be back in the red, white, and blue eventually. Ditto for Artemis as Wonder Woman. What irked me was John Byrne portraying WW's bob hairdo as being a wig. I suspect it was because he wanted "his" Wonder Woman to have waist-length hair -- which is also probably why he changed her costume (from a pattern of stars on her shorts to two big stars on either side, her belt connected to the WW insignia, and that huge can-opener tiara he drew on her.). A look that I personally HATED at the time. I love John Byrne's art style, usually, but the first several issues of his run on WW were a lot to take.
I wasn’t really reading comics at the time. I was in full teenage boy “trying to be cool” mode which meant not admitting I loved comics. But I knew it happened and if I recall this was after Death of Superman and Knightfall so the whole “let’s reinvent the character as someone else” was getting old. At least Superman stayed dead and Batman was off recovering from a back break while their replacements got a little time to shine. Poor Artemis had to have Diana right there being like “we all know how this is gonna end”
I love New 52 Wonder Woman's outfit, and I am a fan of Superman Red/Blue fromt he 90s. Honestly, most "hated " outfits in comics, I tend to like. Especially if they are temporary looks that were never intended to be forever, even though fans freaked out. Also fun Artemis sidenote: I was lucky enought to get an action figure of Artemis as Wonder Woman back when Mattel was making the DC Universe figures.
is nice to show a new or diferent side of a hero that evolved so well since WW2 (actually WW1 according to movie) she was shown adapting to new times and keeping her immortality and ever young miracle (mostly all amazons are that way) I guess she showed some sane interest in mortal females in the movie to better fit in that world, or tried to
I love all of Diana's alternate costumes. In my ideal DC world, she could just open her closet and put on which ever iteration of her uniform that suits her mood on a given day. I really do love her original look best, though. I hope she returns to the classic outfit eventually. I love the Gal-centric take on her costume that our princess sports now, but do miss the iconic star studded trunks and the red and white striped pointed mid-calf boots. Silver age is my all time fav, when she featured an actual golden eagle on her bustier instead of the "kinda-birdish" double W she's had for the last few decades. Any time an artist does a costume design that makes it look more full and bird-like, my little heart goes pitter patter. Btw, Sash, I love your vids. You are fab and fun. We like a lot of the same characters, wish I were your friend, the convos would be so great. Thanks for keeping me so entertained.
At least Artemis got more of a chance with Wonder Woman, than Orana did in the Silver Age. I read this arc at the time and remember really liking it. Everything, but Hippolyta. The way she was written during this period made me really dislike her. But, I have to say, watching this video, took me right back to that time. Forgotten, but still much with me. Great video, as always
I liked Artemis back then when when she was introduced. To be fair I was 14 or so and my tastes still were developing and yet I like her to this day and I think she is overall underutilized as a character, in part because she is a interesting counter to Diana.
I know this whim is about Artemis, but I couldn’t help reminisce about this version of Diana used in the Amalgam Comics “Bullets and Bracelets,” teaming her with a mix of Punisher/Frank Castle and Steve Trevor. It made sense as Storm was using the Wonder Woman moniker in much the same way as Artemis was. Any time you visit the 90s, you simultaneously make me feel old and young again! Lol Thank you for the content!
I dig Diana with the leather jacket. I don't especially like the current look, only because jeans that tight can make for mobility issues, which is ironic since the one of the reasons for changing it was previous costumes being unrealistic. Could be some magical godly denim that allows for free range of movement though, so I'm not super phased by it. Though the classicist in me loves any time Wonder Woman is in a costume variant that takes inspiration from Greek battle armor. It's so badass!
Diana Biker and Storm Punk would be a decent crossover idea. The last time those two crossed over with each other it was a fight, and Storm won. I guess you could play off that rivalry and their dynamic.
As far as regretible costumes go, nothing beats boob window Sue Storm. You really should cover the in comic history of why it exists, because it gets crazy. There is probably a deep dive story behind the scenes as well, likely mad about 90's comics themes in general and splicing them into classic characters.
I miss the era of artists providing cheesecake for all. And yet I also really appreciated the artists that made the costumes look like actual clothing instead of just body paint over muscles in a constant state of flex. But I will never miss the tiny heads over huge bodies.
Now, I really liked the Biker Wonder Woman outfit; sure while not as function as armor or as greek as modern takes, I liked how it felt more...natural and utilitarian. Like she could be a normal person, but hop into action at a moment's notice.
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Check out the story that inspired this one!
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Great work Sasha! Can you do videos that cover the different versions of the Amazons? The peace loving and kinky pacifists from the Golden age? Badass warriors, scholars, artists, etc with personalities and characteristics from the Post Crisis era? To the rapist and child killers in the New 52? There's so many different versions of them and the New 52 completely ruined their reputation. Incels still use that era as an excuse to hate on the Amazons. Love your videos?
FWIW, _that video_ led me -- mainly due to YT -- to this video...👍
Disco Nightwing's outfit will never be rivalled in my opinion
My first thought too (':
Thank you. Love that one.
This seems fitting
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Especially since there both a robin
I read of it in InQuest mag... Was that the name??
You are right
I want a picture of biker wonder woman on a motorcycle picking up Steve Trevor like a movie
oh my........
I like that.
Same. That'd be awesome. I love biker chicks.
@@walterobrien8045 Nice...please post it if u can.
I think it would be better for black canary abd green arrow
Yeaaaa
Given all the parallels and contrasts between the two characters, I find it odd that one link that is so obvious is so overlooked. Their names. Diana is the Roman goddess that was identified with the Greek goddess Artemis.
Like, DUHH!!! LOL!!! Good point!
Oh shit good point lmao
This was the period in comics where the main character got swapped out for more violent replacements.
Batman was replaced by Azrael who had an even more extreme attitude than Bruce Wayne and wore a costume that made him look like a transforming mecha. But the Knightfall saga sold really well.
Since it worked with Batman, they tried it again with Wonder Woman.
Because it's not comics if they don't beat a good idea into the ground.
Azrael!Bats is the best bats! JK, second best, Dick is the best Bats.
ViccVegaa023 that did it in Superman too
@@hairsprayguy84 yea wasnt it the Eradicator
Ok
Height of X-Men (wolverines) popularity. DC gave their characters a Rob Liefeld makeover.
“Giant Thighs of Justice” is not the DC Comics crossover event we deserve, but is the crossover event we NEED.
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Damn, Artemis and Diana's legs are loooooooong in this run. Every panel is just legs for days.
It reminds me of liefeld
I see no negatives
I was thinking Frank Frazetta barbarian warrior woman legs. I ain't mad but I could see it being too much for every panel
This is the era of the Supermodel.... so comic book artists often made the Heroines look like this....
@@karenstarr I think it is
Her death was so sad. The panel where the demon ties her own lasso around her chest is so unnecessarily humiliating. I know he has personal beef with Diana but he really takes it all out on Artemis.
My friend was killed almost 2 years ago. i have been serverly depressed and fanfiction and comic channels have really helped me overcome my grief. Current comics are so dark i had to avoid them and go silverage for a few years.
Your constant upbeat view on comics and being willing to accept change from any writer if its done with care, has really been a constant bright spot in my life. Your vocal support of fanfic is what inspired me to share the double self insert fanfic i was writing to deal with my loss. It on Spacebattles and its threadtag will obviously point it out if anyone cares.
Thank you again, you really helped alot with my grief and my fiancee thanks you because I'm not sad all the time any more.
Kyle Ellis I'm so sorry for your loss :( may their souls rest in peace and speaking as a viewer, I'm happy this channel gives you the same sorta solace that it gives me. Much love and take care
I AM CRYING
@@OlafLesniak thank you all very much for your kindness.
RIP to your friend, hang in there and God bless.
You Got this,❤️❤️❤️
Wow, the "fan service" in this issue is so EXTRA!!!! There is nothing left to the imagination
So, so you're saying Artemis walked so Bakugo could run.
(I honestly love her Jim Lee leather costume, her first joker costume on the other hand... Looks like she lives in Sin City as the warrior prostitutes.
Aye! How's things going for you, man? Also, have you done a video on the many voices of Matt Hill?
Would be interesting to see a fight between Artemis and Bakugo
All i ever thought about during this story arc was, "How can she fight with all that hair everywhere?".
Ask medusa
She actually recently said in RHATO that her hair is enchanted
Actually she uses magic with her hair, that's why it doesn't get in the way
Thinking about that moment when Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory said, "I'm sorry but in what universe is Wonder Woman blonde."
And he has the audacity to call himself a nerd lol (￣^￣)ゞ
She also blonde in the 70s pilot before Lynda Carter’s show.
I personally like the Rebirth Artemis and the whole concept of the "Dark Trinity"....I think their light witted, humorous take on most situations provides a really nice balance to the big three.
i love the biker outfit i even have the original art for a poster
I like it too, but it does feel like she raided black canarys closet.
@@artofsiujerkjai9830 Diana in Fishnets... O_o
Excuse me...
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I’m sure Wonder Woman’s creator/s would approve: though while it would fit with the bondage themes, they might have considered fishnets to be too much clothing haha.
All the best. 😀👍
Dark Trinity: Red hood, Bizarro, and Artemis.
I haven't read it, and maybe (?) why I hadn't noticed. That is a damn fine observation.
Hey... Now that you mention it... 🤔
Why not add G'nort and make it a full misfit Justice League?
The only Artemis I was familiar was in Young Justice but in Red Hood and the Outlaws introduced me to this new hotter Artemis. Honestly, if she stayed as a alternate WW then maybe would have faded into obscurity but being in the Outlaws with Bizarro made her into her own character!!
Reading the run as it happened, it was shortly after Superman died and was replaced by four different supermen and Azreal replaced Bruce Wayne as Batman. I just figured it was Diana’s turn to have someone else carry the mantle. I was glad when Artemis returned and was able to develop her own identity. The art is more cheesecake than I remember though. Looking at it now I’m like {yikes}!
Love it😍
It's either in their death or superman video or knightfall video. But, comic pop talk about how it was all a gimmick by DC to show readers how they should appreciate the trinity more
Oh god wedges.....wedges everywhere!!😳
Surrender to the ButtFloss!
Artemis’ introduction was the most true to Wonder Woman mythos as you could get. It had all the shock sexuality (Charles Marston would approve), fused with Greek Tragedy (Hippolyta sacrificing another for her daughter) and it’s injected the series with some electricity desperately needed after years of cookie cutter good-girl Diana.
Wonder Woman in her pants and Jacket is a costume I like a lot lol. WW 600 is one of my favorite costumes on her
I loved this run back in the day and I legit cried when Artemis died.
But yeah LOT'S of cake for everyone lol that artist did that a lot.
But the new equipment, Diana's rogue gallery face-off and the Demon fight at the end were 10/10.
If not for those gauntlet she would of never have been able to defeat that Doomsday clone in the future.
Lots of cheese (a LOT of it not necessarily) bad blood between mom and daughter and a few other stuff were not good in this run.
It was a fun little time and I was sooooooo happy to see her return!
I thought I was going crazy remembering Artemis with different colored hair. Apparently, I don't have dementia. Yay!
divisive design: I kinda love "The Batman" joker design. The jester hat dreads are kinda funky... in a good way.
I remember people freaking out about that, and the fact that he had no shoes lol
@@CasuallyComics forgot about the lack of shoes lol
I loved how much it broke the mold. Adaptations should use that kind of freedom every chance they get.
I used to hate that back in the day, but some of it was just going from DCAU Joker and I wasn't ready for something new and that different, but ended up liking him when going back without having the comparison in the front of my mind
@@felicea.432 I hated it then and still hate it now. Have no idea why they decided to make the Joker look like a homeless person. I liked some of the re-designs of the other characters on that show, but the Joker, nah.
It led into Queen Hippolyta eventually being forced to take the Wonder Woman mantle and traveling back in time to serve with the JSA, which was a brilliant story arc and way to cover the golden age WW idea and set it up more as a legacy mantle.
Artemis played the Jean-Paul Valley role to Diana's Batman, or the four false Superman after his death. We weren't supposed to get attached but you may be surprised. I personally love Azrael and Conner Kent.
Now I really wanna see Batman’s interactions with her.
Going to make me think way back on ths one. I remember liking Artemis after the fact, during the run I was kind of pissed off that anyone would even think of replacing Diana. I remember being really mad at Hippolyta over the new contest lol. I also remember being very confused because I was a young baby gay with an affinity for redheads lol So it was like, I hate you for being mean and taking Diana's place, but you're also kind really hot. lol
Ok, so you should totally cover Hippolyta's run as Wonder Woman, and their arch in Our Worlds at War. And just because it's one of my faves, JLA Vol 1 #90 for all the glorious Wonder Bat
p.s. Hope you and new Baby Shipper, and Little Shipper, and Mr. Shipper are doing well.
I love wonderbat thanks for comic recommendation lol.
I'm a fan from this time. When this storyline was going on, in was generally known that John Byrne was taking over after #100, so anything that happened those 10 issues wouldn't last. Not expecting much, this run was much better than I expected! I love Mike Deodato's art, and I liked the biker shorts! I also liked how Diana was more down to earth for awhile; it was a time when the creators could be experimental, and they were! I'm a John Byrne fan, but when he took over, it felt like everything was returning to the status quo.
As for all the cheesecake art, that was the 90's!! Not only were comic book publishers putting out swimsuit issues of their female characters, on the newsstand there were all the men's magazines like FHM, Maxim, etc., all ln competition for the same (male) audience.
Getting back to Deodato, I'd love to see what you think of his Catwoman run!! It's disappointing how popular she was in her own book, created her own identity apart from Batman, but that seems to be long forgotten.
Bad writing and character regression have plagued characters like Selina, Talia and Damian for so long, it's sad.
John Byrne have a history of not letting characters evolve from status quo. At marvel he did the same with the X-men
Speaking of John Byrne, what about a video where he patched the continuity hole from the first Crisis by sending Hippolyta back in time to be the JSA's Wonder Woman? I thought that was brilliant.
WW's biker fit is like Storm's mohawk.. they weren't that bad and people exaggerate.
Wait... People dislike Storm's mohawk?
Not horrible, but just bad
@@BlUsKrEEm i think they did oringally but being storm was in the fit for almost a whole decade it grew on people and became one of the hightlights in storm history whereas diana fit was around for only an arc so it didnt really key with readers
I remember this. I was all about the Deodato art!
I love how generally positive your videos feel, even when covering something you have strong criticism for like this. Like even when a comic has legitimate shortcomings, you still make it feel like a worthwhile journey from start to finish. That's so refreshing to see after scrolling past a seemingly endless sea of videos entitled "The Problem With X", "What Went Wrong With Y", and the like.
I still have a copy of Artemis Wonder woman somewhere, I don't remember how I got it just when I was a kid, and I remember a bit that at the time I like Artemis more than Wonder woman because she was angrier, and I got that. Of course I also had only read like one wonder woman comic
That “I’m not angry, just disappointed” from Sasha kind of hurt. So don’t want to disappoint Salt Mom.
I thought Artemis was more interesting when they brought her back as a kind of death knight in Artemis: Requiem. Her career as Wonder Woman was doomed before it began.
I so agree! I wished they continued down that road a little more. It's a area in DC separate from Diana and suited her professional soldier style.
The chest harness is virtually identical to the ones that Amazons wore back in the Golden age, so I always figured that she dug it out of an old closet back on Themiscira
These issues of Wonder Woman were brought to you by the Cheesecake Factory
Are those the new wait staff uniforms.....?
_you might remember the Cheesecake Factory in 90's Image comics, and Marvel's X-Men and the Swimsuit Special_
Good one
You should make a video on Nubia, Diania black sister.
so. nobody's going to bring up artemis facing off a giant mecha tentacle monster.
mkay.
This is my FAVORITE era of Wonder Woman (as well as all of DC Comics). I vastly prefer the Pre-52/Post-Crisis era. Thank you so much Sasha! 😄😄😄
Please do a video on Hippolyta's time as Wonder Woman!!
I prefer Artemis & read Red Hood & The Outlaws for her.
I hope sasha covers that version too, love to see her opinion on the dark trinity.
@Kingdrago101 Starfire was in the new 52 Red Hood & The Outlaws, not in Rebirth. Two different series.
@Kingdrago101 and the original comment I posted did not mention Starfire at all, only Artemis.
Thx for doing this video. Artemis is my favourite other Wonder Woman. I think it's mainly because of the personality developed overtime in other books.
The Wonder Woman Odyssey pants and jacket it 100% still my favorite outfit. I want it back!
Same its just got a balanced feel to it. Skin suits are just boring 😅
Never been a Wonder Woman's fan, but Mike Deodato is one of my favourite artists, if only I could have a fraction of his skills!
If I ever, by some miracle, become a comic book writer, Artemis is so a character I'd love to write for. A maligned and goofy start, but so much potential to do something completely different and fun with the Wonder Woman mythos.
And Diana's biker outfit was awesome just for how silly it was.
10:41 laughed out loud. The moment in my young life when I asked myself, "can there be too much cake?"
I enjoy cheesecake, I think it's a good indication of an artist's style and talent and it's just also pleasing to the eye, though I like it to feel a little more naturalistic. In a weird way Artemis' outfit being so strategically ripped is somehow _more_ revealing than actual nudity, as you could argue the latter falls within the confines of 'heroic nudity', as you see in a lot of statues and paintings (as well as characters like Dr Manhattan).
I must say I really do like this art, though. Artemis' crazy ponytail is very larger than life and dynamic.
How often do you reckon Artemis stands on her ponytail every day?
This! Man, I had hair down to my backside for a couple years, and it got caught on everything, sat on, my fiance would roll over onto it in his sleep and pin me down...I can't even begin to understand how anyone could think it made sense to design a character with hair so long that it's often pooling on the ground. Especially if you're creating a character who's supposed to be a hard-ass warrior woman from a grim desert tribe of Amazons...I'd figure a character like that would have as short and practical a hairstyle as possible.
I liked Artemis because by using different tactics we as the reader could see why Diana was better in the role of Wonder Woman but DAMN Artemis's hair is the stuff legend in this book HA!
My fave Justice League (second to the Detroit team): Electric Blue Superman, Artemis Wonder Woman, Azreal Batman, Harpoon-Hand Aquaman, Kyle Rayner Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter acting more serious and looking more alien, and poor Wally, who was still the same because Barry left in the 80s so he wasn't the new guy but he didn't try his dark stealth suit until the Elite in the 2000s.
Ah, the 90s.
Speaking of the Bhana tribe, has Dc done anything with Grace Choi post flashpoint?always felt she would be a great fit for the outlaws.
"...take back the uniform, Diana, I have dishonored it..." - "...um, that's alright, keep it...".
I hope she washed it first!
@@andrewgwilliam4831 - this channel is awash in bad jokes. I love Sasha but she will never do the awkward dance again.
4:48 Beta Ray Bill is probably one of the best examples
Red Hood with Artemis & Bizarro (B-Zero version) has been one of my favorite reads in post-N52 Rebirth. People often dump on Lobdell but this has been a fun read.
I like Artemis of Bana-Mighdall and I always will!!!
Remember when Dianna was stripped of the title in tthe70's
A redhead Wonder Woman.
I remember having those issues as a kid. Similar story line if I remember, but it lasted just a few issues.
@@rdbull5890 the 70's redhead Wonder Woman was a blip that lasted 2 issues.
I want a Video on Redhead Wonder Woman. BTW Her name was Orana.
I think it lasted 3 issues. She became Wonder Woman in one, tried (and failed) to fit in as Wonder Woman in the next (Diana also returned to the US to continue her identity as Diana Prince). In the third, Orana died, and Diana returned her body to Paradise Island.
This reminds me of Jane Foster Thor. I feel like that story was more endearing though
Jane Foster as Thor was handled very differently than Artemis as Wonder Woman, save for the parental characterization. Odin was depicted as a complete and utter asshole, much like Hippolyta. Although, TBF, it was hardly Odin's first go-around as a completely unreasonable, horrible, abusive parent.
Aside from that, there were many key differences. Thor had become unworthy through his own self-doubt, as opposed to anything Jane did. Jane was a long established character with a relatively rich (although often one-note) history, and she wasn't written as as a complete jerk, as opposed to Artemis.
4:21 Sasha, you are so..... 'cheeky'.
The art was pretty depictive of Mike Deodato (or really, Mike Deodato studios)...he did a heck of a lot of female comic covers back in the 90s, especially the indie stuff. Outside of this, Thor sleeping with the Enchantress was one of his well known works.
I was reading Artemis as Wonder Woman when the books first came out. I thought she looked too much like Jim Lee's Zealot from early issues of WildCATS.
I like Artemis's current iteration a lot more.
As a kid I loved this arc, but I wasn't a huge fan of Wonder Woman before this and this was exactly what I wanted at the time, a big shake up. It did feel like it lasted longerwhile it was happening but looking back it was a quick blip in WW's history. I will also always have a place in my heart for Diana's new look here, yeah it's dumb but it was also a fun era where Clark was made of electricity and Jean Paul was running around in a giant metallic batsuit. I'll always be nostalgic for the early 90's since that's when I started reading comics.
3:39 Great job as queen there Hippolyta. "As long as Diana's alive whoever else is Wonder Woman can go die for all I care."
. . . they were trying to Image. Though I thought the best issue of the period was Biker Diana tangling with the Joker
I really loved wonder women's pants and jacket look. Probably one of my favorite costumes her's atlough it's probably because I think biker outfits are cool.
0:51 Discowing looks good actually. especially for the time. when the collar got closed up the colors worked nicely together.
I really enjoyed Artemis and her story following her stint as Wonder Woman.
I'm probably in a minority but i always wondered whether an Artemis tv series could work with her taking over the WW mantle as Diana has been depowered.
I think we need an update video on Artemis especially with her being the "Magic of the Amazons" what does this mean?!?!.
The Liefeld-esque art was getting very heavy there for a bit. Then you showed the cover for the beginning of the Byrne run and I wanted to run screaming back to the cake! Yeah, they could have toned it down a bit, but it was comics in the '90s, so there you are. And yeah, I'm there for Diana in bike shorts! Daaaaaaaaaaamn....😍
Thanks for this!! I was just trying to explain who Artemis was to a friend the other day - so I sent him this video! Perfect timing!
Wow, that character looks a lot like Helga from Atlantis: The Lost Empire
Yeah, I can see that with her face/hair color.
I totally agree that George Peréz's run on Wonder Woman was the best. DC editorials really forgot about the words "consistencies" and "continuation"
My introduction to the lovely Miss Sasha was on that nerdy channel that does all the top ten lists. I stopped watching that channel for a specific reason but I couldn't give up watching Sasha vids, so here I am.
I always thought she was my favorite lister over there because, honestly, she's so damn fine. And that little hint of a lisp destroys me. But I digress.
I just listened to this video while shaving my head, so I physically couldn't watch. I found myself laughing out loud several times, and I thought, "when it's safe to date again and I have the time, I need to find me a woman with this kinda funny."
Most of my "what the" costumes come from Marvel. Hawkeye in a skirt. Iron Man with a nose. Thor in a belly shirt. Good stuff.
Yea magical time
Thor in the crop-top is definitely one of my "WTF?!" ones. Especially the times when it got so small he was basically just shirtless, and he had Mjolnir on a big-ass chain instead of the leather strap because...reasons? Plus, the weird headpiece thing instead of the winged helmet, that just looked like so many 90s characters (Gambit, Havok, so many Image characters, etc.) that I legit for a moment mistook him for a long-haired version of Havok that was for some reason not in an X-family comic, especially since that was one of those weird places when they also often took away his archaic dialect.
Also, Hawkeye in the skirt...is not half so weird as Hawkeye in the lavender shirt with the neckline that plunged to his belt, and the shorts. Never actually read comics during that point in Avengers history, but man...that one was a little bit too disco-era, even compared to things like disco-collar Nightwing.
@@Mokiefraggle did you see the cartoon Avengers United They Stand? That Hawkeye looked like a male dancer at a bar. Completely cringey.
This was really interesting. I never got familiar with Artemis, but the context makes perfect sense since early ‘90s DC was all about shaking things up, killing Superman, replacing Batman, and apparently Wonder Woman isn’t immune to shock writing trends of the time.
After this video, seems like Artemis at this time was the Faith to Diana’s Buffy. Pretty interesting.
As for over/underrated comic book costume designs, I prefer Wolverine’s mid-2000s yellow and blue costume over either of his classic looks. Brown costume, Tiger Stripe costume...both great, but the redesign just hits right for me.
Great video!
They took a dig at the IMAGE COMICS guys but they also copied their art style too.
That was the style of the time. Everything was over the top. Today I'd argue everything is a lot cleaner and simpler
I love the 600th Wonder Wonder look without the jacket. I do wish there was a Superman suit that was like the "Day of the Krypton Man" issue 42 suit with a few changes. The red part blue, add the S and a red cape.
Tbh Biker Wonder Woman is one of the most restrained 90s redesigns and I kinda love it for a story arc costume. You know it'll always go back to normal, but it looks really cool for a short time.
Man I could go for some cheese cake right now, to bad I just have Pepperidge farm cake...oh well.
I just LOVED ( and still do ! ) the Artwork ! If i don't like the Artwork i won't buy the comic
You should check out WW #250 and 251 of the original WW series for the origins of the red-haired Artemis. Reference: Orana.
Biker Shorts WW looked awesome. I'm with you on that. I'm also a big fan of Artemis but not sure how much of that is Mike Deodator Jr. Okay, good portion of it is. But I also liked her fiery persona as a foil for Diana. Happy that Artemis has come into her own and didn't disappear into the comic book dust racks.
I thought this was going to be a video about Cathy Lee Crosby.
00:35 "The harness for "reasons""
I can think off two right now lol
2:40 the best way to describe why people don’t like new people in famous identity’s that I have heard
You are a HOOT and this is a gem. Also, it shows a nice little tale behind the big front. I've ordered it hoping I will catch hell for reading it at my coffee shop.
I liked Diana's black outfit because I realized it was going to be temporary and that she would be back in the red, white, and blue eventually. Ditto for Artemis as Wonder Woman.
What irked me was John Byrne portraying WW's bob hairdo as being a wig. I suspect it was because he wanted "his" Wonder Woman to have waist-length hair -- which is also probably why he changed her costume (from a pattern of stars on her shorts to two big stars on either side, her belt connected to the WW insignia, and that huge can-opener tiara he drew on her.). A look that I personally HATED at the time. I love John Byrne's art style, usually, but the first several issues of his run on WW were a lot to take.
I wasn’t really reading comics at the time. I was in full teenage boy “trying to be cool” mode which meant not admitting I loved comics. But I knew it happened and if I recall this was after Death of Superman and Knightfall so the whole “let’s reinvent the character as someone else” was getting old. At least Superman stayed dead and Batman was off recovering from a back break while their replacements got a little time to shine. Poor Artemis had to have Diana right there being like “we all know how this is gonna end”
I love New 52 Wonder Woman's outfit, and I am a fan of Superman Red/Blue fromt he 90s. Honestly, most "hated " outfits in comics, I tend to like. Especially if they are temporary looks that were never intended to be forever, even though fans freaked out.
Also fun Artemis sidenote: I was lucky enought to get an action figure of Artemis as Wonder Woman back when Mattel was making the DC Universe figures.
is nice to show a new or diferent side of a hero that evolved so well since WW2 (actually WW1 according to movie) she was shown adapting to new times and keeping her immortality and ever young miracle (mostly all amazons are that way) I guess she showed some sane interest in mortal females in the movie to better fit in that world, or tried to
I love all of Diana's alternate costumes. In my ideal DC world, she could just open her closet and put on which ever iteration of her uniform that suits her mood on a given day. I really do love her original look best, though. I hope she returns to the classic outfit eventually. I love the Gal-centric take on her costume that our princess sports now, but do miss the iconic star studded trunks and the red and white striped pointed mid-calf boots. Silver age is my all time fav, when she featured an actual golden eagle on her bustier instead of the "kinda-birdish" double W she's had for the last few decades. Any time an artist does a costume design that makes it look more full and bird-like, my little heart goes pitter patter.
Btw, Sash, I love your vids. You are fab and fun. We like a lot of the same characters, wish I were your friend, the convos would be so great. Thanks for keeping me so entertained.
At least Artemis got more of a chance with Wonder Woman, than Orana did in the Silver Age. I read this arc at the time and remember really liking it. Everything, but Hippolyta. The way she was written during this period made me really dislike her. But, I have to say, watching this video, took me right back to that time. Forgotten, but still much with me. Great video, as always
I liked the 'Biker' look Diana, especially when they did Bullets and Bracelets for Amalgam and substituted a skull for the W's.
I liked Artemis back then when when she was introduced. To be fair I was 14 or so and my tastes still were developing and yet I like her to this day and I think she is overall underutilized as a character, in part because she is a interesting counter to Diana.
I know this whim is about Artemis, but I couldn’t help reminisce about this version of Diana used in the Amalgam Comics “Bullets and Bracelets,” teaming her with a mix of Punisher/Frank Castle and Steve Trevor. It made sense as Storm was using the Wonder Woman moniker in much the same way as Artemis was.
Any time you visit the 90s, you simultaneously make me feel old and young again! Lol Thank you for the content!
I dig Diana with the leather jacket. I don't especially like the current look, only because jeans that tight can make for mobility issues, which is ironic since the one of the reasons for changing it was previous costumes being unrealistic. Could be some magical godly denim that allows for free range of movement though, so I'm not super phased by it. Though the classicist in me loves any time Wonder Woman is in a costume variant that takes inspiration from Greek battle armor. It's so badass!
Diana Biker and Storm Punk would be a decent crossover idea. The last time those two crossed over with each other it was a fight, and Storm won. I guess you could play off that rivalry and their dynamic.
As far as regretible costumes go, nothing beats boob window Sue Storm. You really should cover the in comic history of why it exists, because it gets crazy. There is probably a deep dive story behind the scenes as well, likely mad about 90's comics themes in general and splicing them into classic characters.
I miss the era of artists providing cheesecake for all. And yet I also really appreciated the artists that made the costumes look like actual clothing instead of just body paint over muscles in a constant state of flex. But I will never miss the tiny heads over huge bodies.
Now, I really liked the Biker Wonder Woman outfit; sure while not as function as armor or as greek as modern takes, I liked how it felt more...natural and utilitarian. Like she could be a normal person, but hop into action at a moment's notice.