Anyone who has ever actually shot a 5.56 rifle knows that even after this buff, the recoil in the game is way too high for this caliber. Especially considering how your character is supposed to be a badass private military contractor.
Currently own a 10.5 inch without a true comp, since I'm using a linear comp on my build for sound redirection, and recoil is negligible. If you've ever fired an AR with anything close to what the old meta builds were with a 20 inch barrel and an overengineered brake/comp, you'd know they don't move when fired. I've shot a 20 inch with a 100-hole compensator and I can tell you this: If there was no sound or concussion wave, you'd never know it fired.
Okay, but you could say the same for the 5.45 AKs, especially the stock ones with the GP20 muzzle brakes, since those muzzle breaks are very effective at mitigating recoil IRL.
The first shot recoil on the M4 is absolutely insane compared to the other 5.56 weapons. What is the purpose for BSG implementing this discrepancy? Realism? Balance?
@@BugThorn yes the first shot recoil on all weapons is very high. But, in the video you can see that the M4 has much higher first shot recoil than the G36, Scar-L, or AK-102. I'm wondering why it's balanced this way. It doesn't make sense to me.
@@kennethbeartusk51 “As realistic as playable.” Is always the excuse. But it just makes it unplayable to me lmao. It’s stupid how they try to screw some guns over for no reason than people complaining that it’s overpowered. Like just don’t get shot first or seen! The guns doing their job fine until nerfs have to happen lol.
I think we're voicing what we want wrong, i realise that its not really about the recoil but more about that stupid initial kick and camera shake. That should be fixed, and laser pointer guns (which are realistic) should be countered by balancing ammo availability, like bsg is sort of doing already.
They still need to fix first shot muzzle jump bs system, it is killing the fun. If they wanna stop people from full-auto'ing, then recoil should progressively increase, the more sustained fire the more recoil. This would be much more realistic solution than our current system.
I still think the hammering 5.56 took wasn't needed as soon as they banned good ammo from the flea market. We're slowly creeping back towards pre-nerf values as is so maybe we will see the day where ARs are actually a viable gun for mid range.
The recoil going down for the base gun can reduce atachment effectiveness so theres some issues with the base recoils going down especially with budget modding
It reduces attachment effectiveness in terms of raw points, but it can only be to the weapon's benefit. The same mods on the updated weapons give lower total recoil regardless of which config due to the additive % application of those mods
I dont get this at all. Buff 5.45 pp and 7.62 PS and now 5.56? yeah its cool too see more types of ammo and guns being used but the top players will just pick the lowest recoil or best ammo like BP again and make videos on why "this build is the best" and then everyone will just use what the top players are using.
I think it's good they are focussing on the intermediate cartridges though. M80 got moved higher, regular rifles are getting buffed - at least its the right way around
It was never a recoil problem when they nerfed 5.56 guns, it's the initial kick after very first round that makes these guns unreliable because we have to compensate with whole strength to pull that gun with ~30-35 recoil to become laser as it was previously. All these guns don't need the " recoil buff " all they need is to remove that stupid initial kick for them.
My idea for a better recoil system would be an initial slow climb, so semi and bursts would be viable, and then after ~4-5 shots you start to feel a lot more vertical and horizontal recoil.
@@Disko3674 Something like that would be unbelievably better than the current one. For some reason the devs have always been set on having goofy recoil that's unrealistic in the worst ways, and bad for gameplay balance. They could basically just copy the recoil style from Squad or Rising Storm Vietnam which both do it very well as a good middle ground between realism and gameplay.
@@GeoffWulf Nikita says it's to emulate how people have a delay to controlling full auto, and that when the recoil comes back down is when your operator starts compensating. Which I think is pretty stupid, so we as the player have to be a second input to another dude compensating? Just make it a consistent pattern and rise and let the player be the on compensating IMO.
Gigabeef, as you're the best at these kind of videos. You should really revisit the Sound mechanics in Tarkov, especially now that Offline coop is a thing. I am using Razors, since they are cheap as hell this wipe on flee, due to apparently always being too expensive and not favored by community and consider them the best behind XCEL. They are also that in terms of rarity, behind XCEL and newest comtacs, and are clearly rated by BSG as third best in terms of pricing to vendors. And as I see it BSG did made them tiered, opposite to what community thinks, it's not just the sound pattern. I constantly hear shots my teammates don't hear. And they only start hearing it when shots get closer. This clearly indicates that I can hear further away than them most of the time. With starting prapor headphones people don't hear the other end of the Factory, while me wearing Razors I feell like I'm hearing everyone on the map all the time. You should revisit this, because nobody did that content yet. Would also be nice, now that offline coop introduced. If you could just in general test out what we can and can not hear in our general vicinity. As in, what game sounds are audible to other players around you, at what distance, which UI sounds are there for you, and which are audible to your surroundings, for example at clear unobstructed visual, through walls, at what distance through walls, while being on 2nd and 3rd floor. While being outside on elevation like Custom fortress and someone runnning outside. As it is clearly consistent right now, apart from few glitched out places, but the rules for what you hear and not are clearly weird. Sometimes you hear people where you think you shouldn't, sometimes you don't hear people directly in front of you on stairs and so on. I believe a video like that would blow up and you're one of the few meticulous enough creators who can pull it off correctly. And it would be super informative as right now, both experienced and beginnger players are extremely confused as to when they can be bold with their movement and when they can't be. While at the same time high end players are abusing these mechanics like mad putting everyone else at a disadvantage. Like when I stopped at a Scav village in woods on a second story of the house you can literally hear nothing from the first floor. You only hear a person full sprinting right next to you up the stairs. After I got killed like this a few times I am not abusing this when I think someone else is up there and win every fight. Such things are of big value for in game knowledge that can > in game skill, which I believe is what you're all about.
Thanks for the suggestion! Veritas' headphone videos are great for the raw sound, but I agree there could be more on "what works where" - it's quite a bit of work but something I have on the list broadly, need to do a bit more thinking about how best to go about it but would like to at some point
Pestily said when someone asked him to make a video. Pretty much his reply was thats going to take time and money paying editors. Could get the video out in a month, and then tarkov changes the next wipe. So the videos information becomes outdated in 6 months. Making that month of his life rendered worthless. The community just needs more faces and more experts So more shit can get covered. It was awesome hearing GIGABEEFS name in a Pestily video. Good content creators shouting out others for their work.
Honestly ive been running the AK 101 with the JMAC RRD-4C comp, MOE handguard with the foregrip that fits without rail (Cus it looks sick) Buttpad, SAW grip and KOBRA+shade as a cheap ass low recoil destroyer. 73 ERG for speedy ADS and 50 recoil which you barely feel with this firerate. Wonderfull piece of kit for a good price (60K in mods including sight).
I'm liking all these buffs but jesus christ I wish they would fix the 1st to 2nd shot recoil, that's like 3 feet of vertical climb. Intermediate cartridges do not act like that even in the slightest in reality. Shit even .308 in a semi auto platform does not jump like that.
Other than the AK-101, the SCAR and G36 are honestly big winners here. While they don't exactly have great fire rate, they're extremely easy to control even at longer ranges on full auto, which makes them amazing as hell on maps like Lighthouse, Shoreline, etc.
Typically in games i like to reduce horizontal instead of vertical because i can just pull down. Im not sure if this is possible in tarkov but i like watching your videos because im thinking of getting the game.
Nice! Yes as Omen said some weapons have better "innate" horizontal, unfortunately it's hard to tell looking at the numbers in-game. Both come down when you improve the recoil though
I will say get the game if you like that Battle royale top 10 feeling. Every drop in this game feels like that. After a fight you win you can feel the adrenaline leaving your body. By christmas you'll be ready for the next wipe and that first week everyone will be on the same slate. Doodoo ammo and iron sights. Trust me learning this game for that month is 100% worth it. Its truly an awesome experience. People take time off work for this game. Even through all the garbage code and stuff. Its a game that its community takes very serious and holds very close to their heart. Truly a game that doesnt stop giving.
Awesome, I was really wondering what these groupings looked like since the changes but hadn't had a chance to play with them yet. Excellent stuff as always :)
@@Gigabeef thanks for the response. I knew a small tarkov youtuber(EL_Dee I think it was) years ago who was struck by BSG for exposing money dupe exploits. Today VeryBadScav a small tarkov youtuber was struck for featuring a screen recording of a cheater. BSG strikes small youtubers for posting things they don't like and I think it's disgusting. Even if you don't cover it beware that you could be on the chopping block one day.
Still hoping for them to switch to a more realistic recoil system that lets you burstfire instead of this either singletap or fullauto meta we have rn.
Could you check out how lasers work now? I don't remember how it was before and I never had a friend to test, but now you can see other people's laser itself and not just dot very clearly. I did not know it was like this until once I saw big freaking red line coming from another pmc. Also flashlights seem to beam through walls much worse now. At least scavs certainly beam their spotlights very hard at night.
Nah it still looks like absolute trash. None of the recoil stats mean anything as long as they're hardcoding the initial kick into the weapon. Compare this to literally ANY weapon or caliber in the game, with the exception of the MPX (which they also neutered in the code) and you'll see what I mean. You can literally hold the MK47 or AKM in one spot like you used to be able to do with the 556 platforms in the old days. It's funny really, when you think about it. People used to complain about the 556 laser beams, and the Mutant is literally better in its current state than the M4 and HK416 ever were back in the day. It's a 2 tap chest gun with zero fucking recoil.
Sometimes I find myself thinking "Man, this level 6 life is brutal, it's hard to keep money and gear while dying constantly in PMC runs". Then I look at the weapon and gear some people are using at higher levels and figure I'll just be getting blown away even more at the higher levels.
No level based matchmaking. First level players can get paired against 100th level players. The only respite is how far into the wipe people are. The average player is currently between levels 20 and 30 so you'll be seeing mid tier gear rearing its head like the G36 and AK101. You won't see the full meta builds Gigabeef is showcasing.
@@Gigabeef Haha, it's the thing I look forward to the most. I see everyone customizing these nice guns and I'm just like "Man, I've got an Mp7 that's practically in a display case, because I know the first day I take it out, I'm getting lit up and losing it instantly".
1110 hours played and I still think they should just do away with half the ammo types, low the high pen ammo damage greatly and/or take the high pen ammo off the traders and make it extremely rare loot in low amount unless you can craft it in late game. Nothing is more frustrating about the game when you have guys who no life Tarkov and have the best ammo type and take over a whole map. My last raid this morning I took out 2 out of a 3 man squad by the time they found me in reserve without taking a single bullet and the third guy didn’t even try to hide or take cover but straight rushed me and as he came through the door way we traded shots and and nearly all of my ps ammo got absorbed by armor while only got me he gets me with one or two shots me in the chest through level 4 armor instantly dead. Even when you finally get there and unlock those ammo types or buy them off the market I don’t think it’s a good for the game loop as on previous wipes my whole goal was to get access to those ammo types to stand a chance against those types of player and I’ve noticed when I’ve been on the other end and guilty of doing the same thing of those gun fights in the late game and half the time I wouldn’t even need to aim and still get kill in seconds but just rushing in and blind firing. No skill at all..it just broken system which is why fresh wipes are the most fun
I miss being able to pick up the TX-15 cheap on the flea a few wipes ago from people just buying it for the the thunder beast. Haven’t seen one in a while
@@jasonjavelin yea they've toned down inertia to the point where movement is responsive but still theres weight to your movement and the choices you make while moving through the environment
Since I don't care to rush Grenadier, it was already gonna be a 5.56 summer. Never used the 5.56 AKs before, gonna have to give them a shot when I get Skier lvl 4.
I feel if tarkov took the cycle frontier approach and made recoil ambiguous and not unit dependent so that there are no meta because theres no numbers to go off of it could be better but i dont know anything i didnt just spend 4 years playing this game for nothing
I always used the mdr as a budget 556 gun. The others cost 2-5x more to get to the same recoil honestly I still feel 556 is in a bad spot overall. If you are using 556 at any point you are just shooting yourself in the foot. There is much better guns for cheaper price.
i dont know what you mean about 556 feeling bad it feels the exact same as 545 and 7.62 (with ps) obviously bp is overpowered as fuck. DMRs are still top tier in terms of dropping people quickly. ive actually had better results with an M4 than the 545 guns just from the fact that its a bullet hose
@Auhuhhuu lmfao 7.62 has always been the best the caliber in tarkov no ones saying it isnt, that doesnt mean its 5.56 is ass lmfao and for the record i do see alot of M4s to date despite it probably being the worst 5.56 choice, lvndmark has a few videos this week where he uses 5.56 as well as his livestreams. I can give you a list of people that are without a doubt better than you and still use 5.56. without a doubt it is better than 5.45. Now explain to me how implied its the best round in the game? Yeah whos the bozo here? Your literally just mad cause you got caught in 4k by gigabeef himself. Youve made no argument other than 7.62 is good, and id use m856a1 alll day before i use PS ammo or anything under BS for 5.45 even then id use m855a1 10x over BS rounds
I appreciate the re-work they did on the 5.56 but I feel that good rounds are too far off. 762 PS is available lvl 1 Prap and is an amazing round. 556A1 is the low end good round but the earliest you can get it is workbench lvl 2 for craft at 12 hours. I think they should either make 556A1 available earlier or buff another round that is unlocked earlier. ADAR is my jam, and having to wait on it sucks. Glad to see its more viable now though.
Not to forget the craftable 5,56 round also is a tracer, so that is also a consideration. @its_Trenner IMO that is tied to the map you play on. Tarkov surely has a lot more 545 and 762x39 rounds due to the people there using it natively. 556 nato and 762 nato was brought in, so there are fewer amounts found in the non usec flair locations.
@@juliomontega2868 true. I also find boxes of 120 rounds of 545 BT or BS in raid... where are the boxes of M856A1 or M855A1!? Lol, I do craft a good chunk of my 556.
@@its_trenner2900 Same i prepped a whole ammo box prior to adapting the cartridge this wipe XD And i'm not sure if that'll suffice at all for properly running the kits!
Is the Desert Tech MDR (tan) and glasses still glowing in-game? I like the mdr but haven't touched it this wipe due to the old glow bug last wipe. Cheers!
Tweaking vert recoil like this makes a small difference, I don't understand why they haven't increased the convergence/recoil auto compensation on any of them.
Really curious how the damage and pen changes affect 5.56's ability to get headshots now, whether or not 5.56 is still a detriment when going for shooter born in heaven kills.
@@Gigabeef The price / availability / effectiveness. of 5.45 and 7.62x39 ammo, weapons and mods makes 5.56 kind of irrelevant. Why spend the time crafting m856a1 and buying expensive weapons / mods on the flea / traders when you can craft AKM's and AK74's for dirt cheap, mod them for cheap and buy / find ammo which can deal with class 4 all without the flea. Edit - Also, subsonic 7.62x39 US has more damage and penetration that m855 out of a 20inch m4 flying at like 900m/s. Wish penetration made more sense in tarkov.
When discussing bullet / recoil changes, should we not also discuss armor and economy changes to determine what's really meta? T5 and T6 armors are super accessible this wipe. There are new T5 options at ragman and even if the new easy to buy T6 is low durability and bad material its still a T6 at the cost of a Korund currently. 7.62x39 BP has only 47 pen compared to M995's 53 pen which is 55% vs 93% chance to pen T5 on first shot and 1% vs 23% chance to pen T6 on first shot. As for 7.62x51, M61 is not gonna care but its 2.5x the price per bullet of M995's craft and its little brothers the M62 and M80 are going to be completely irrelevant mid-game imo. This is all speculation of what's gonna happen in the wipe, of course, but I think there's loads more than just the slight almost irrelevant recoil change to 5.56 that they are doing. 2 recoil reduction isn't gonna suddenly make these weapons good. But the higher accessibility of T5/T6 armors, 5.56's higher pen compared to 7.62 BP and M62 and much lower cost per bullet than M61 might make them more relevant. Granted, I can't calculate pen chance on 2nd shot (and does it change if the 1st shot penetrated successfully?) so I could be wrong, but it feels they are attempting to balance the whole game, not just the recoil, to favor 5.56 a bit more than before.
@@Gigabeef Just realized, Slicks are also available as a 400k barter at Ragman LL4. A bit pricey, but definitely a lot more people will be running them this wipe.
I have noticed that especially the high tier ammo is way better, I have been hitting more shots oj mag dumps, and it seems to be doing better damage-wise
i just hope they add some ammo between m855 and m856a1 , otherwise i dont think its worth using until 855a1 and u cant find any ammo in raids like u can bt/bp/bs
This might be silly but hear me out. When I started playing 2 years ago I found the different AK ammo types a bit confusing. There’s so much to learn in the game already with maps, quests, gameplay mechanics. So I avoided using them after a couple incidents of bringing in incompatible mags or rounds. I was Bear my first wipe but then stayed with USEC since my second wipe (got Kappa my second wipe too). It’s my 5th wipe now and I will bring an AK if I have it from another player, but I am into the role playing aspect of my character in that I try and only use traditionally USEC weapons, and avoiding Russian made firearms. Like I said - kinda silly, but for new players this might be helpful, for veterans it might feel immersive, and it’s a huge help with storage space - anything Russian like guns and mags are an easy sell for me and I hold the good ammo cause it doesn’t take up too much space for what it’s worth
@@Gigabeef definitely can’t with some of the quest lines and you would get stuck on sniper skill most likely due to the lack of western guns at LL1 but it is fun. Gives my stash a bit of a theme
Bruhh.... they can buff 556 all they want plain and simple when 12 12 hit they ruined the M4 and HK both costing between 200-300k to build fully it isn't worth the investment like back in the day EZ to say that Russians have 0 respect for 556 RIPBOZO if they want to buff anything 556 they would revert the recoil changes made leading to 12 12 and maybe make slight recoil changes rather then nerfing them into the dirt like they did the VAL and VSS before they were changed this wipe OR make changes to the ammo like they did the VAL and VSS
Heckin love my PK3 G36C build, feels great for snapping headshots hip firing with the laser. Seems like the best overall build is the mid-length barrel and handguard which allows you to mount the CQR grip.
It's like 7 ergo to 2 recoil between the two I believe, just a shame the G36 has such low ergo with a suppressor - I think it really hurts the gun overall
Have you tried the updated 5.56 weapons since the update?
Was running the TX-15 for long range fights earlier today, it's been a joy
With how much effort you put into your yt in the last few weeks I wanted to ask if you are satisfied with your growth rate?
5.56 feels so much better this wipe. I’ve been slapping kids with M855 early wipe. Seems decent vs. class 4 also :) thanks for the video Giggabeef :D
I shoot 5.56 out of AR platforms regularly. Tarkov definitely needs less 5.56 recoil.
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They need to do a .50 BMG buff since I'm convinced that's the first round coming out of most of these rifles on full auto.
Anyone who has ever actually shot a 5.56 rifle knows that even after this buff, the recoil in the game is way too high for this caliber. Especially considering how your character is supposed to be a badass private military contractor.
Currently own a 10.5 inch without a true comp, since I'm using a linear comp on my build for sound redirection, and recoil is negligible. If you've ever fired an AR with anything close to what the old meta builds were with a 20 inch barrel and an overengineered brake/comp, you'd know they don't move when fired. I've shot a 20 inch with a 100-hole compensator and I can tell you this: If there was no sound or concussion wave, you'd never know it fired.
Okay, but you could say the same for the 5.45 AKs, especially the stock ones with the GP20 muzzle brakes, since those muzzle breaks are very effective at mitigating recoil IRL.
The first shot recoil on the M4 is absolutely insane compared to the other 5.56 weapons. What is the purpose for BSG implementing this discrepancy? Realism? Balance?
Sure isn't realism
Realism ? Oh common, this thing is like a plague, makes semi auto useless thing and directs you to modded weapon and full auto.
I wish they removed the auto compensation for the recoil. You as the player should be controlling it yourself instead of the game doing it for you
@@BugThorn yes the first shot recoil on all weapons is very high. But, in the video you can see that the M4 has much higher first shot recoil than the G36, Scar-L, or AK-102. I'm wondering why it's balanced this way. It doesn't make sense to me.
@@kennethbeartusk51 “As realistic as playable.” Is always the excuse. But it just makes it unplayable to me lmao. It’s stupid how they try to screw some guns over for no reason than people complaining that it’s overpowered. Like just don’t get shot first or seen! The guns doing their job fine until nerfs have to happen lol.
I think we're voicing what we want wrong, i realise that its not really about the recoil but more about that stupid initial kick and camera shake. That should be fixed, and laser pointer guns (which are realistic) should be countered by balancing ammo availability, like bsg is sort of doing already.
They still need to fix first shot muzzle jump bs system, it is killing the fun. If they wanna stop people from full-auto'ing, then recoil should progressively increase, the more sustained fire the more recoil. This would be much more realistic solution than our current system.
I still think the hammering 5.56 took wasn't needed as soon as they banned good ammo from the flea market. We're slowly creeping back towards pre-nerf values as is so maybe we will see the day where ARs are actually a viable gun for mid range.
I loved using 5.56 as it was and now when people use them more theyre gonna cost more, god damn it
The recoil going down for the base gun can reduce atachment effectiveness so theres some issues with the base recoils going down especially with budget modding
It reduces attachment effectiveness in terms of raw points, but it can only be to the weapon's benefit. The same mods on the updated weapons give lower total recoil regardless of which config due to the additive % application of those mods
From someone who owns an Ar 15 irl the recoil is the same as a bb gun they are very controllable same with an Ar 9mm very low recoil
I'll play when servers are reliable.
These weapons have such a high fire rate. I understand the recoil increase to balance things. But it was horrible before.
Alright Imma Drop M4 and move to Scar L
How about that make subsonic actually work.
Sooo, using semi auto is still useless, well good. Pray and spray gg
I dont get this at all. Buff 5.45 pp and 7.62 PS and now 5.56? yeah its cool too see more types of ammo and guns being used but the top players will just pick the lowest recoil or best ammo like BP again and make videos on why "this build is the best" and then everyone will just use what the top players are using.
I think it's good they are focussing on the intermediate cartridges though. M80 got moved higher, regular rifles are getting buffed - at least its the right way around
Actualy every guns are better AKM is now better than last wipe
It was never a recoil problem when they nerfed 5.56 guns, it's the initial kick after very first round that makes these guns unreliable because we have to compensate with whole strength to pull that gun with ~30-35 recoil to become laser as it was previously. All these guns don't need the " recoil buff " all they need is to remove that stupid initial kick for them.
This fking THIS. That initial 5 foot climb on the first 3 bullets is what drives me up a wall.
My idea for a better recoil system would be an initial slow climb, so semi and bursts would be viable, and then after ~4-5 shots you start to feel a lot more vertical and horizontal recoil.
@@Disko3674 Something like that would be unbelievably better than the current one. For some reason the devs have always been set on having goofy recoil that's unrealistic in the worst ways, and bad for gameplay balance. They could basically just copy the recoil style from Squad or Rising Storm Vietnam which both do it very well as a good middle ground between realism and gameplay.
@@GeoffWulf Nikita says it's to emulate how people have a delay to controlling full auto, and that when the recoil comes back down is when your operator starts compensating. Which I think is pretty stupid, so we as the player have to be a second input to another dude compensating? Just make it a consistent pattern and rise and let the player be the on compensating IMO.
Considering you used the B30 rail for the AK101 at 3:04 you can also use the B-33 dust cover instead of the bastion for 0.5 more recoil reduction :D
True!
Gigabeef, as you're the best at these kind of videos. You should really revisit the Sound mechanics in Tarkov, especially now that Offline coop is a thing. I am using Razors, since they are cheap as hell this wipe on flee, due to apparently always being too expensive and not favored by community and consider them the best behind XCEL. They are also that in terms of rarity, behind XCEL and newest comtacs, and are clearly rated by BSG as third best in terms of pricing to vendors. And as I see it BSG did made them tiered, opposite to what community thinks, it's not just the sound pattern. I constantly hear shots my teammates don't hear. And they only start hearing it when shots get closer. This clearly indicates that I can hear further away than them most of the time. With starting prapor headphones people don't hear the other end of the Factory, while me wearing Razors I feell like I'm hearing everyone on the map all the time. You should revisit this, because nobody did that content yet.
Would also be nice, now that offline coop introduced. If you could just in general test out what we can and can not hear in our general vicinity. As in, what game sounds are audible to other players around you, at what distance, which UI sounds are there for you, and which are audible to your surroundings, for example at clear unobstructed visual, through walls, at what distance through walls, while being on 2nd and 3rd floor. While being outside on elevation like Custom fortress and someone runnning outside. As it is clearly consistent right now, apart from few glitched out places, but the rules for what you hear and not are clearly weird. Sometimes you hear people where you think you shouldn't, sometimes you don't hear people directly in front of you on stairs and so on.
I believe a video like that would blow up and you're one of the few meticulous enough creators who can pull it off correctly. And it would be super informative as right now, both experienced and beginnger players are extremely confused as to when they can be bold with their movement and when they can't be. While at the same time high end players are abusing these mechanics like mad putting everyone else at a disadvantage. Like when I stopped at a Scav village in woods on a second story of the house you can literally hear nothing from the first floor. You only hear a person full sprinting right next to you up the stairs. After I got killed like this a few times I am not abusing this when I think someone else is up there and win every fight. Such things are of big value for in game knowledge that can > in game skill, which I believe is what you're all about.
Thanks for the suggestion! Veritas' headphone videos are great for the raw sound, but I agree there could be more on "what works where" - it's quite a bit of work but something I have on the list broadly, need to do a bit more thinking about how best to go about it but would like to at some point
Pestily said when someone asked him to make a video. Pretty much his reply was thats going to take time and money paying editors. Could get the video out in a month, and then tarkov changes the next wipe. So the videos information becomes outdated in 6 months. Making that month of his life rendered worthless. The community just needs more faces and more experts So more shit can get covered. It was awesome hearing GIGABEEFS name in a Pestily video. Good content creators shouting out others for their work.
Honestly ive been running the AK 101 with the JMAC RRD-4C comp, MOE handguard with the foregrip that fits without rail (Cus it looks sick) Buttpad, SAW grip and KOBRA+shade as a cheap ass low recoil destroyer. 73 ERG for speedy ADS and 50 recoil which you barely feel with this firerate.
Wonderfull piece of kit for a good price (60K in mods including sight).
I do the exact same thing but the warcomp compensator + the tan suppressor is a cheap way to suppress it too for night raids
You're the Mr. Wizard of Tarkov.
Honestly the 5.56 MDR and SCAR were already pretty great for their price so I bet they are monsters now.
Hello everyone it’s Gigabeef here :D
tbh, recoil buff or not, i really don't care, I love 5.56 weapons and I will use them because they look cool :D
I'm liking all these buffs but jesus christ I wish they would fix the 1st to 2nd shot recoil, that's like 3 feet of vertical climb. Intermediate cartridges do not act like that even in the slightest in reality. Shit even .308 in a semi auto platform does not jump like that.
Other than the AK-101, the SCAR and G36 are honestly big winners here. While they don't exactly have great fire rate, they're extremely easy to control even at longer ranges on full auto, which makes them amazing as hell on maps like Lighthouse, Shoreline, etc.
Typically in games i like to reduce horizontal instead of vertical because i can just pull down. Im not sure if this is possible in tarkov but i like watching your videos because im thinking of getting the game.
you just get both down, but some weapon start with lover horizontal
@@Omen09 thanks
Nice! Yes as Omen said some weapons have better "innate" horizontal, unfortunately it's hard to tell looking at the numbers in-game. Both come down when you improve the recoil though
I will say get the game if you like that Battle royale top 10 feeling. Every drop in this game feels like that. After a fight you win you can feel the adrenaline leaving your body. By christmas you'll be ready for the next wipe and that first week everyone will be on the same slate. Doodoo ammo and iron sights. Trust me learning this game for that month is 100% worth it. Its truly an awesome experience. People take time off work for this game. Even through all the garbage code and stuff. Its a game that its community takes very serious and holds very close to their heart. Truly a game that doesnt stop giving.
The G36, when bipods become usable, I can see fulfilling an LMG role with the 60 or 100 round mags.
Honestly I appreciate the ak-102 just because it's a bit smaller. Short guns always feel easier for me to work with than a full length m4
Defo helps in tight spaces!
MDR ergo build, red dot and 45 round magz, good fun
Awesome, I was really wondering what these groupings looked like since the changes but hadn't had a chance to play with them yet. Excellent stuff as always :)
I've used the ak-102 a bit last wipe, the drip is totally worth it even if the stats are a bit worse
I just dont understand how guns that use larger rounds have less recoil than guns that use smaller rounds.
Will you speak out about BSG striking small RUclipsrs for content they don't like?
I'm honestly not sure what you're referring to
@@Gigabeef thanks for the response. I knew a small tarkov youtuber(EL_Dee I think it was) years ago who was struck by BSG for exposing money dupe exploits. Today VeryBadScav a small tarkov youtuber was struck for featuring a screen recording of a cheater. BSG strikes small youtubers for posting things they don't like and I think it's disgusting. Even if you don't cover it beware that you could be on the chopping block one day.
Still hoping for them to switch to a more realistic recoil system that lets you burstfire instead of this either singletap or fullauto meta we have rn.
Bro did u ever burst fire on real life? Its worst then full auto, tap fire is realistic
I don't care about buffs. Fix the recoil. I've been shooting 5.56 for over 10 years now and the recoil is unrealistic in this game.
Could you check out how lasers work now? I don't remember how it was before and I never had a friend to test, but now you can see other people's laser itself and not just dot very clearly. I did not know it was like this until once I saw big freaking red line coming from another pmc.
Also flashlights seem to beam through walls much worse now. At least scavs certainly beam their spotlights very hard at night.
Hmm one for the list!
Nah it still looks like absolute trash. None of the recoil stats mean anything as long as they're hardcoding the initial kick into the weapon. Compare this to literally ANY weapon or caliber in the game, with the exception of the MPX (which they also neutered in the code) and you'll see what I mean. You can literally hold the MK47 or AKM in one spot like you used to be able to do with the 556 platforms in the old days. It's funny really, when you think about it. People used to complain about the 556 laser beams, and the Mutant is literally better in its current state than the M4 and HK416 ever were back in the day. It's a 2 tap chest gun with zero fucking recoil.
How on earth does "total reduction in %" mean "remaining recoil from the base" and not "amount of recoil removed from base?? IE REDUCTION.
Sometimes I find myself thinking "Man, this level 6 life is brutal, it's hard to keep money and gear while dying constantly in PMC runs". Then I look at the weapon and gear some people are using at higher levels and figure I'll just be getting blown away even more at the higher levels.
The game doesn't match you based on your level. So you're likely already getting blown away by these weapons
No level based matchmaking. First level players can get paired against 100th level players. The only respite is how far into the wipe people are. The average player is currently between levels 20 and 30 so you'll be seeing mid tier gear rearing its head like the G36 and AK101. You won't see the full meta builds Gigabeef is showcasing.
@@TheHandgunhero well that certainly makes more sense in that case.
Keep going to 15, the flea changes the game :)
@@Gigabeef Haha, it's the thing I look forward to the most. I see everyone customizing these nice guns and I'm just like "Man, I've got an Mp7 that's practically in a display case, because I know the first day I take it out, I'm getting lit up and losing it instantly".
Excited for more 5.56 play!
No love for the MDR?
How dare you Nikita…
Besides the meta :
mdr > Mk16 > G36 IMO atm
1110 hours played and I still think they should just do away with half the ammo types, low the high pen ammo damage greatly and/or take the high pen ammo off the traders and make it extremely rare loot in low amount unless you can craft it in late game. Nothing is more frustrating about the game when you have guys who no life Tarkov and have the best ammo type and take over a whole map. My last raid this morning I took out 2 out of a 3 man squad by the time they found me in reserve without taking a single bullet and the third guy didn’t even try to hide or take cover but straight rushed me and as he came through the door way we traded shots and and nearly all of my ps ammo got absorbed by armor while only got me he gets me with one or two shots me in the chest through level 4 armor instantly dead. Even when you finally get there and unlock those ammo types or buy them off the market I don’t think it’s a good for the game loop as on previous wipes my whole goal was to get access to those ammo types to stand a chance against those types of player and I’ve noticed when I’ve been on the other end and guilty of doing the same thing of those gun fights in the late game and half the time I wouldn’t even need to aim and still get kill in seconds but just rushing in and blind firing. No skill at all..it just broken system which is why fresh wipes are the most fun
G36 buff seems okay but the ergo is still so bad for no reason :/
They went for "Realistic guns" but made AK have less initial recoil than an M4...
they should nerf a lot of the attachments and buff the base guns, guns are horrible stock, but shit like the hk416 gets 0 recoil with some modding
Im really loving the 5mil AK's until you can get all attachments and BP for the 7mil
Recoil is stilli shit lol realism try failed,so better to gamefied it to skill base recoil control like csgo or whatever
wrong it still sucks and is lame to use. back to 7.62
bibageef
you look like linus tech tips 💀
Ha I get this all the time
Ak102 recoil pattern pointing a middle finger at me
Love your content it helps a ton with builds
Thanks!
ya nah 5.56 is still absolute garbage
First-shot recoil is just WAY too high
Man still using that hello kitty sight
I’m playing metro rn :)
They need to reduce initial kick
You need to redo this test using a different ammo. M856A1 adds 4 recoil
I would argue this is better as M856A1, M855A1 and M995 is all anyone should be using with these guns
I miss being able to pick up the TX-15 cheap on the flea a few wipes ago from people just buying it for the the thunder beast. Haven’t seen one in a while
Gosh the game feels so different nowadays, I really like it tho!
@@Anothergingerman agreed! The inertia was something I hated at first but now I’m used to it. Glad to see cool guns like the G36 making it in finally!
the game is probably better off this way but i miss how the old game played
@@jasonjavelin yea they've toned down inertia to the point where movement is responsive but still theres weight to your movement and the choices you make while moving through the environment
Since I don't care to rush Grenadier, it was already gonna be a 5.56 summer. Never used the 5.56 AKs before, gonna have to give them a shot when I get Skier lvl 4.
Man it sucks that the mdr wasn’t buffed, it was my favourite budget late wipe gun in 12.12…
Well, it wasn’t changed at all it seems so it’s still the same as it was in 12.12! No need to despair, it can still be your fav budget late wipe gun
The MDR would be broken as all fuck if they buffed it.
I just today made grenadier quest, now im akm kind of guy, supressed with 55 recoil full with sweet BP, Chad killer
I feel if tarkov took the cycle frontier approach and made recoil ambiguous and not unit dependent so that there are no meta because theres no numbers to go off of it could be better but i dont know anything i didnt just spend 4 years playing this game for nothing
I always used the mdr as a budget 556 gun. The others cost 2-5x more to get to the same recoil honestly I still feel 556 is in a bad spot overall. If you are using 556 at any point you are just shooting yourself in the foot. There is much better guns for cheaper price.
i dont know what you mean about 556 feeling bad it feels the exact same as 545 and 7.62 (with ps) obviously bp is overpowered as fuck. DMRs are still top tier in terms of dropping people quickly. ive actually had better results with an M4 than the 545 guns just from the fact that its a bullet hose
@@kinsgaming8197 you can get most 545 guns to 30 vertical and like 80-110 horizontal lol. They are much better than 556 when fully kitted out.
@Auhuhhuu general consensus since when? Gigabeef himself literally has a video 4 days ago where he says 5.56 is better
@@SuperZakaru your spending 150k+ rubles too do that and the lowest recoil build is still in the 40s not 30s
@Auhuhhuu lmfao 7.62 has always been the best the caliber in tarkov no ones saying it isnt, that doesnt mean its 5.56 is ass lmfao and for the record i do see alot of M4s to date despite it probably being the worst 5.56 choice, lvndmark has a few videos this week where he uses 5.56 as well as his livestreams. I can give you a list of people that are without a doubt better than you and still use 5.56. without a doubt it is better than 5.45. Now explain to me how implied its the best round in the game? Yeah whos the bozo here? Your literally just mad cause you got caught in 4k by gigabeef himself. Youve made no argument other than 7.62 is good, and id use m856a1 alll day before i use PS ammo or anything under BS for 5.45 even then id use m855a1 10x over BS rounds
Do you think we will have the ability to deploy bipods in the game at some point?
Hopefully eventually, would be really cool
Man these videos are making me question being vegan. This beef is exquisite
Haha!
Camera recoil, the initial recoil kick, burst/tap fire being unviable. Still issues exists but i guess this help.
how do you get the mrex
Scar-L below 47 ergo is a heavy no-no.
I appreciate the re-work they did on the 5.56 but I feel that good rounds are too far off. 762 PS is available lvl 1 Prap and is an amazing round. 556A1 is the low end good round but the earliest you can get it is workbench lvl 2 for craft at 12 hours. I think they should either make 556A1 available earlier or buff another round that is unlocked earlier. ADAR is my jam, and having to wait on it sucks. Glad to see its more viable now though.
And for 5.45 you can find a lot of good ammo in packages of 30 and 120 rounds
@@renedekart5069 yup! I have found several 120 boxes of BS. I love me some AK's. Just doesn't seem balanced.
Not to forget the craftable 5,56 round also is a tracer, so that is also a consideration.
@its_Trenner IMO that is tied to the map you play on. Tarkov surely has a lot more 545 and 762x39 rounds due to the people there using it natively. 556 nato and 762 nato was brought in, so there are fewer amounts found in the non usec flair locations.
@@juliomontega2868 true. I also find boxes of 120 rounds of 545 BT or BS in raid... where are the boxes of M856A1 or M855A1!? Lol, I do craft a good chunk of my 556.
@@its_trenner2900 Same i prepped a whole ammo box prior to adapting the cartridge this wipe XD And i'm not sure if that'll suffice at all for properly running the kits!
Is the Desert Tech MDR (tan) and glasses still glowing in-game? I like the mdr but haven't touched it this wipe due to the old glow bug last wipe. Cheers!
I would think so - haven't seen it fixed anywhere
@@Gigabeef thanks for the reply! Great content both here and on twitch my guy, you are growing rapidly!
forgot hk?
Such a good video dude great job
Thanks!
Tweaking vert recoil like this makes a small difference, I don't understand why they haven't increased the convergence/recoil auto compensation on any of them.
Yeah same. Apparently the G36 is even lower than the M4? Strange
When was this buff released?
~2 days ago
Really curious how the damage and pen changes affect 5.56's ability to get headshots now, whether or not 5.56 is still a detriment when going for shooter born in heaven kills.
It's better for sure
Does FPS still affect fire rate? I get 30 fps average and I find my shots don't seem to be registering as fast as my firerate should be
Shouldn't do that's a very old bug
Why pick a 556 ak when 5.45 is so strong now
M856A1 is still solid, it's an interesting choice between that and BT imo
@@Gigabeef The price / availability / effectiveness. of 5.45 and 7.62x39 ammo, weapons and mods makes 5.56 kind of irrelevant. Why spend the time crafting m856a1 and buying expensive weapons / mods on the flea / traders when you can craft AKM's and AK74's for dirt cheap, mod them for cheap and buy / find ammo which can deal with class 4 all without the flea.
Edit - Also, subsonic 7.62x39 US has more damage and penetration that m855 out of a 20inch m4 flying at like 900m/s. Wish penetration made more sense in tarkov.
When discussing bullet / recoil changes, should we not also discuss armor and economy changes to determine what's really meta? T5 and T6 armors are super accessible this wipe. There are new T5 options at ragman and even if the new easy to buy T6 is low durability and bad material its still a T6 at the cost of a Korund currently.
7.62x39 BP has only 47 pen compared to M995's 53 pen which is 55% vs 93% chance to pen T5 on first shot and 1% vs 23% chance to pen T6 on first shot.
As for 7.62x51, M61 is not gonna care but its 2.5x the price per bullet of M995's craft and its little brothers the M62 and M80 are going to be completely irrelevant mid-game imo.
This is all speculation of what's gonna happen in the wipe, of course, but I think there's loads more than just the slight almost irrelevant recoil change to 5.56 that they are doing. 2 recoil reduction isn't gonna suddenly make these weapons good. But the higher accessibility of T5/T6 armors, 5.56's higher pen compared to 7.62 BP and M62 and much lower cost per bullet than M61 might make them more relevant.
Granted, I can't calculate pen chance on 2nd shot (and does it change if the 1st shot penetrated successfully?) so I could be wrong, but it feels they are attempting to balance the whole game, not just the recoil, to favor 5.56 a bit more than before.
Possible - these armors typically have low dura though so I think BP might just slam right through, we will see
@@Gigabeef Just realized, Slicks are also available as a 400k barter at Ragman LL4. A bit pricey, but definitely a lot more people will be running them this wipe.
I have noticed that especially the high tier ammo is way better, I have been hitting more shots oj mag dumps, and it seems to be doing better damage-wise
most 5.56 ammo got a pretty substantial damage buff, 55a1 deals like 49 or 50 something like that now
5,45?
5.45 was buffed really early in the wipe yep
i just hope they add some ammo between m855 and m856a1 , otherwise i dont think its worth using until 855a1 and u cant find any ammo in raids like u can bt/bp/bs
856A1 its not that bad
@@Ayahu666 ye but thats unlocked quite late and u cant find in raid
more apparent now that 545 has a crap ton of options before BT
This might be silly but hear me out. When I started playing 2 years ago I found the different AK ammo types a bit confusing. There’s so much to learn in the game already with maps, quests, gameplay mechanics. So I avoided using them after a couple incidents of bringing in incompatible mags or rounds.
I was Bear my first wipe but then stayed with USEC since my second wipe (got Kappa my second wipe too). It’s my 5th wipe now and I will bring an AK if I have it from another player, but I am into the role playing aspect of my character in that I try and only use traditionally USEC weapons, and avoiding Russian made firearms. Like I said - kinda silly, but for new players this might be helpful, for veterans it might feel immersive, and it’s a huge help with storage space - anything Russian like guns and mags are an easy sell for me and I hold the good ammo cause it doesn’t take up too much space for what it’s worth
what the frick did i just read.
wtf are you trying to say
Ha I kinda like the roleplay faction thing, never did a western only run though
@@Gigabeef definitely can’t with some of the quest lines and you would get stuck on sniper skill most likely due to the lack of western guns at LL1 but it is fun. Gives my stash a bit of a theme
Bruhh.... they can buff 556 all they want plain and simple when 12 12 hit they ruined the M4 and HK both costing between 200-300k to build fully it isn't worth the investment like back in the day EZ to say that Russians have 0 respect for 556 RIPBOZO if they want to buff anything 556 they would revert the recoil changes made leading to 12 12 and maybe make slight recoil changes rather then nerfing them into the dirt like they did the VAL and VSS before they were changed this wipe OR make changes to the ammo like they did the VAL and VSS
Heckin love my PK3 G36C build, feels great for snapping headshots hip firing with the laser.
Seems like the best overall build is the mid-length barrel and handguard which allows you to mount the CQR grip.
It's like 7 ergo to 2 recoil between the two I believe, just a shame the G36 has such low ergo with a suppressor - I think it really hurts the gun overall
@@Gigabeef 6 recoil and 15.5 ergo....