This video was a good way for me to mentally reset in between loading screens while trying to get Tarkov Shooter Part 3 done on Factory. Your video on AP-M helped a lot, especially with what distances were usable! I eventually just started taking only one mag with AP-M by the end and expecting to die if I had to reload. : )
The UMP is just the second perfect F-U gun. If you go up against it, you are either dead or walking away with 2 heavy bleeds, 3 blacked limbs, and a fracture. If you are solo and you face a team with them, it can be really hard to fight the second guy when your arm is hanging by a tendon and a shirt sleeve.
Well, that or any semi shotgun with magnum buck. Like ha congrats on killing me I got that from a scav, have fun with the sucking chest wounds and shattered femurs
Probably not worth it but some of those tiny optics you can put on a like 7k rouble riser. Still should be 1-2 ergo better than a eotech and I think possibly about same cost (FF3 + riser vs eot price)
I like 1911 or the m45 with the 11 round mag as a true backup pistol. Decent enough to finish off pmcs in an oh shit situation but cheap enough to not care if you die
Scav on reserve and check all the wooden crates. There are 4 around the helicopter, 3 on the black pawn and the shed connected to that building and 3 more down in the command bunker. Also check all drawers for matches, gas analysers and flash drives. This way you also get all cigarettes for Bad Habit.
I hate the ump. I’d rather use the 45 vector I was on labs and I died to a guy with an ump he had the new lvl6 armor on if had my vector i would’ve been set. The vector is the best gun in labs
The automatic recoil control seriously ruins the game and the UMP is one of the worst examples as to why. That shit needs to be removed so the gunplay is more realistic and skill-based.
Clips from early wipe? Wtf, all streamers not late mid wipe or something? Its still early wipe for normal people, as evident in the kills on interchange
early, mid, late wipe are terms generally used to describe the progression of the wipe and playerbase as a whole, not an individual's progression. the terms are useful to describe an average players equipment and goals in raid. if it is early wipe for normal people it is early wipe for everyone, but there will always be outliers, who are ahead of the average
ive just started using it again with APs and it mostly slaps. I usually top pack 10-15 APs because the pen is going to matter a lot less if I get to the lower end of the mag and the extra damage seems to help. Only been a problem for me once so far when I ran into a three man. first two went down like swiss cheese but the end of the mag just didnt have enough oomph to put down the last guy through his nappy. luckily he was not a good shot and i managed to pull off a reload while he sprayed his whole mag in my general direction and I got the third kill. but it was hairy there for a minute. i feel like a full first mag of APs and then top packing the rest is the best plan . at least while i build up a stock of APs to use. Thanks for the great videos mate, you're a beast
I really feel like the state of 5.45 this wipe has solidified it as my go to caliber. The humble 74 has very similar close range performance with much better long range performance while also being one of the few weapons with optics available at LL1 traders. Not to mention that ammunition can be found commonly in the world, nothing beats free 5.45 BS.
@@drunkpunk5393 I'd love to see you land so many more shots on target at 200 meters with an ump. At barrel stuffing range the recoil differences do not matter. The ump is shorter, it's snappier, but for pure utility nothing is going to dethrone the 74 this wipe as a budget option
@@drunkpunk5393 yeah but does FMJ or even AP reliably pen class 5-6 on first or second shot? That’s why BS and 7N39 are overpowered since armor doesn’t exist and cheap ammo like bp rapes class 4. Also, the ak costs the same as the ump and is just better for pretty much anything bc it has 650 rpm and high muzzle velocity
5:45 I stumbled across killa peaking double doors in one of the top food shops and somehow tap him twice to the head using the UMP with AP. At first I thought he was just a regular scav when I flicked to him yelling. Felt very lucky that I was using the AP rounds and didnt hit his visor when I looted him and realised it was him.
Whenever I watch a video of yours, I feel like I'm sitting down for a university lecture. It comes across so clear when you present it in practical terms and examples. It really helps tear down the shooter mentality of "Ok what the hell, I put (this many) bullets on him and he somehow lived?" with lesser ammo
I killed a dude with a silenced ump at new gas. He had 4 mags filled w ap. Went from new gas to old gas to drop my last marker and wiped a frigging 4 man man with the dudes ump. They just kept rolling around the corner 1 after another thinking it would yield different results. Can't wait to unlock 45 ap.
Anyway SMGs are good enough to use all time if you aim for head, with low recoil of UMP or high RPM with MP5 or etc. I use MP5SD and UMP45 and both are good enough to use, unless your FOE don't use any visor I think the only problem of UMP45 is it's magazine...25, too small for 1vs2 or more.
$8 per round for a mid tier bullet? Nikita just wants no lifers to run around with armour that normal people cant even damage. why would I use 45 for that price when I could use a much cheaper and more effective rifle round?
@@ScuffedCamper I just stop playing until the next wipe when i start seeing faceshields. For me, early wipe pvp is the only pvp worth anything in this game. This game has the most retarded damage model and armour system I have ever seen in any game, not to mention the most disgustingly unbalanced.
Hey Gigabeef, I love your videos and stats analysis. I just saw some interesting points about weapons all having their hidden stats. such as convergence, recoil angle, and recoil dispersion, which can explain why Scar L has the best recoil value. Maybe you would like to go through these features？ These stats can be seen in the offline version EFT.
There's a few vids out there on it, personally I'm a bit uncomfortable going into excruciating detail because of BSG's attitude towards data mining/information on that level getting released!
I know it doesn't matter in the game and probably won't ever but acp stands for automatic colt pistol and there are multiple calibers in that family. .45 acp, .38 acp, .380 acp, .32 acp, and .25 acp. All were designed by John Browning in the very end of the 1800s and first decade of the 1900s. Referring to one as acp could be confusing in real life where the other ones exist, especially.380 which is still very popular in the US.
@@Gigabeef Well, you do a great job with your videos but firearms and cartridges are such a deep topic. I'm obsessed with them and I've been working with firearms for 15 years and I still learn new things once in a while.
Hey Gigabeef! Not both legs affects your aim. One leg affects walking loudness second leg your aim, don't know which one(left or right) is responsible for what
cool tip if you dont have a supressor on the ump and fold the stock (must be on the gun and folded cannot remove stock for this to work) you can sprint and you hold it with one hand, but you also make your recoil mad
The recoil on the Vector is so, so, soooo dumb. The whole point of that gun is that it is designed around a recoil system unlike any other that reduces felt recoil to almost nothing. IRL it can do full-auto mag dumps while barely moving in the shooter's hands. It makes no sense that it has significantly more recoil than the UMP or any other subgun in the game for that matter - 'horizontal' or otherwise. If it's "too good" ... make it more expensive, make it more rare, or take it out of the game. Don't just arbitrarily change its performance in a way that runs counter to the logic and realism of the game. The whole magic of Tarkov over other tactical FPS games is the relatively realistic portrayal of gunfights, weapon performance, ballistics, body armor, and wounding. It's the best parts of mil-sim without all the boring parts of mil-sim. The farther they get down this path of arbitrarily changing weapon performance just to "change up the meta" the more steps they're taking down the wrong path. It's a lazy and arbitrary approach to balancing. Stick to realistic portrayals of weapon performance, do the balancing through availability.
i really dont understand why people use and consider the ump meta, its a solid smg that is popular but i think others are better, id rather take a mp9 for close range and a mp7 or p90 if i want to spray at longer ranges
I think it's used so much because it's a great way to get the loyalty level spending goal for peacekeeper. There really isn't anything else other than the ump worth buying from him before loyalty 3 imo.
Hey Gigabeef, I had an idea for a topic of one of your videos I would love to see. I've tried researching if anyone else has talked about it but I haven't found anything. It has to do with the way buckshot works in the game. I noticed the other day that the way the buckshot and flechette projectiles work is as the distance increases the number of projectiles coming out of your shotgun increases as well. So at close range it comes out as one projectile, at mid range it multiplies into 3, and at long range it turns into 8 (for magnum and flechette). Maybe you could make a video about how this effects the use of shotguns in a fight? One thing I noticed is that while the damage still stacks between the one projectile and three projectiles it doesn't account for the penetration of each projectile. So when I shoot my teammate with flechette at close range it brings his armor down to somewhere in the 50's which is what I would expect. But, because it is now only one projectile with 31 pen it obviously doesn't make it through the armor. However, if it was actually working as it would in real life I would expect that as the darts hit the armor and start lowering it's health some of those darts would actually make it through. If you think this is a good topic I would love to hear you talk about it!
@@reedoken6143 I may be misunderstanding you but if you take a shotgun and try it you will see there is only one projectile up close, 3 projectiles at mid range and then 8 at a longer range. You can test this by going into offline and shooting a scav point blank and then leaving the raid. At the end of raid screen it will show you only hit the scav once but if you shoot it farther out you'll get around 8 hits depending on how many of the projectiles hit it.
@@Gigabeef So I went through and tested it again and you're right that the game will still sometimes register 8 hits at point blank. But I still believe the game doesn't register all pellets all the time and I believe when it registers 8 at point blank it is counting the pellets hitting multiple body parts. The way I tested this was by shooting scavs and then comparing what my mastering level was at before and what it was at afterwards. Because shotgun mastering counts each pellet hitting a target as one point, the difference between my mastering level before and after hitting the scav will be the number of projectiles the game registers as actually hitting the scav. I recorded me doing this if you want to see it I can send it to you. My logic may be wrong but with flechette, if 8 darts are hitting the target at once shouldn't some of those darts penetrate through the armor since as they hit they will decrease the armor health points leading to darts having a higher chance of getting through?
6:18 that shot on your leg was broken. It was nowhere near your leg on your screen but apparently you were still visible on his screen. This isn't even something that happens once in a while, it's not a hiccup, it's literally just the way it is all the time. It's like the hitboxes are always .5 seconds behind what they should be and it ruins the immersion and playability of the game. BSG needs to fix that before ANYTHING else, including the AI. If I'm watching a corner, knowing a guy is gonna come behind it, I should be able to instantly headshot him 90% of the time when he peaks unless my aim is bad. But there is a subconscious understanding in my mind that KNOWS that when someone is moving, they are "slippery" and I can't just shoot where I see them. Everything is .5 seconds behind so everything is just fucked up and you can't react properly because there's that element of wondering where the hitboxes ACTUALLY are and where they will ACTUALLY go. You need to be able to react to what you see. Not see something and guess whats going to happen .25 seconds in the future and do all this mental gymnastics. Just see, aim, shoot.
You can shoot what you see on your screen, this effect is just classic "desync/latency". You don't register the effects of their shooting until quite a bit later
As a veteran player I see where you’re coming from but regular players aim for the chest, and good veteran players aim for nothing but the head and doing this using ap works perfectly fine until we get max graders for the Meta guns
or....you could just shoot them in the face.... ya know cause armor, and cause torso shots are trash after all the changes to ammo and hp pools. i still remember the good ol days when double taps would drop people without armor...if anything this game is losing its "hardcore" edge and becoming a lil more like COD everyday.
can we have a vid about how the servers have such latency problems that hitting others is nearly impossible where as they easily oneshot you like they are Sturman?
Almost all the UMPs late last wipe I saw had that Monstrum Compact 2x. It was surprising because I, too, thought that that sight was MADE for that gun. It offers the perfect balance of your actual, applicable range, while not depriving you of rather-close quarters combat capability.
@Gigabeef - your getting shot early in the raid refreshed me of a question I wanted to ask. Do you have a video on the effect of having blacked arm(s) at all? I get into fights with black arms with ADS right at the payers head but always tank. Would be interested to see what the single shot and spray is actually doing.
PP-19 used to be my go-to weapon for early wipe until they fucked it over. Even into mid-game it was extremely effective due to it’s super cheap weapon-exclusive suppressor and AK platform, it was my little gentleman’s AK that shot like a laser beam. Anyone not wearing a face shield would be dead in a second, and back then you could get tons of AP 6.3 early on so even class 4 stood little chance.
I love youtubers that bring up stats and fail at reading them, then talk out of their ass. Look at the armor damage on the ump, that's why FMJ is a good all-arounder. It absolutely destroys armor. That cute little clip you posted of you dying on customs, you hit that guy's arms with most of your shots.
I started to really play this game at the end of last wipe and was hoping so much that the game will get way better for a beginner with a new wipe. Yeah well not really. It is more than just annoying to die 95% of the time because people are just spamming MP's like the UMP. Even on damn woods you don't get spared with these and it meanwhile reaches a point where it is just not funny anymore.
UMP is good, because every rails are in stock and recoil is very good, but actualy is very big problem find ammo, what is very rare in raid and if you will out ammo u are in bad situation, because u must use scav weapons what are very bad on long distance 😅 If you want use SMG with sniper rifle is better option KEDR or MP5 with HP ammo what have good frag. and kill player on heavy bleeding. Best distance for kedr combat is max. 25m and for M5 max. 50m Better option and cheap is AK74u, because good ammo is everywhere and is good for 100m combat and find good ammo is easy like find 9x18 at scav 😂
You guys forget one crucial thing, point fire, recoil control is not everything. This wipe i managed to drastically improve (finally) and win many of my pvp fights by simply point firing even with high recoil guns like asval, mdr and even the sa58, "aiming" at this point for me feels useless except if you are shooting at someone in the distance who is standing still and is not aware of your presence, but most people tend to move and rush anyways that means just go with your peek and point fire you will be surprised how many fights you can take
It feels like rate of fire matters more than the round itself for recoil right now, which feels weird. I think that is going to need work in the future. Also, theres just something aesthetically pleasing about the Kobra on a UMP, the way the circular elements match
its already outdated... i have killed multiple people with slicks and that new lvl 5 rigs with the black helm with face shield at lvl 5 with over 102 armor... and i was using BT rounds. with a shorty mosin from fence. so.... yeah. he was lvl43 and a streamer. ;P
Ah sweet, so now I can look forward to facing the players who can buy class 5 armour from traders and carry laser beams, while I get facefucked after shooting a guy 20 times with ps. and they wonder why people prefer early wipe.
@@Red_Lion2000 yep I was only lvl 13. I cant play all day and night but that guy could I guess. Also gate keeping the good ammo away from fresh starts hinders the chance of winning that fight. But BT seems to work good.
@@n0xxm3rcyxx I just stop playing after a few weeks and wait until next wipe. Tarkov is becoming less and less fun and more frustrating to the point where it just isnt worth it anymore. When I play hunt showdown I have infinately more fun and dont get frustrated at all, because there is no bullshit broken ironman armour and people die when you shoot them. Tarkov is the ONLY game that actually makes me mad, not because its hard, but because of the sheer amount of unfair/broken bullshit that makes you feel cheated upon death.
Link to the AK builds with PP ammo for all your early mid-game needs! ruclips.net/video/NqWnn6ep5tw/видео.html
hey man what is that app called at 0:44
@Gigabeef Add the UMP threaded barrel, and add the vector compensator for a total cost of around 7k and get way better recoil for unsuppressed.
Never knew, thought the thread was for the supressor
Oooo thank you
Good tip
been using this build forever, was using it for spa tour
What is the benefit of being unsupressed?
Or is the advantage better Recoil?
This video was a good way for me to mentally reset in between loading screens while trying to get Tarkov Shooter Part 3 done on Factory. Your video on AP-M helped a lot, especially with what distances were usable! I eventually just started taking only one mag with AP-M by the end and expecting to die if I had to reload. : )
Haha that's one way to do it lol!
The UMP is just the second perfect F-U gun. If you go up against it, you are either dead or walking away with 2 heavy bleeds, 3 blacked limbs, and a fracture. If you are solo and you face a team with them, it can be really hard to fight the second guy when your arm is hanging by a tendon and a shirt sleeve.
Well, that or any semi shotgun with magnum buck. Like ha congrats on killing me I got that from a scav, have fun with the sucking chest wounds and shattered femurs
Seeing a lot of your videos recently, very informative. Subbed.
Thanks!
Your videos feel like I'm James Bond getting briefed by Q.
Haha nice!
Look at how bad the desync is at 6:19. You were CLEARLY behind the pillar and you LEFT left is the one that got hit.
didnt notice that, good catch. thats horrifyingly bad.
Yeah I saw that in editing... not great
Probably not worth it but some of those tiny optics you can put on a like 7k rouble riser. Still should be 1-2 ergo better than a eotech and I think possibly about same cost (FF3 + riser vs eot price)
Lmao $8 for 45 AP is an absolute no from me dawg, that is fucking ridiculous.
Never been able to get the peacekeeper barter so all my umps are spoils of war.
.45 a beauty cartridge though, got my stirrup kills with 1911/usp45!
Go to fence and buy the knife
@@Sevo- never a shortage of knives. The issue is the barter is always sold out and the 2.5hr peacekeeper reset makes it hard to schedule
Rush lvl 3 peacekeeper. First wipe doing that and it was actually easy af
I like 1911 or the m45 with the 11 round mag as a true backup pistol. Decent enough to finish off pmcs in an oh shit situation but cheap enough to not care if you die
buy the knives from fence
so im lvl 12 and havent found a single emelya rye , vitimins , salt , match box
the game has soft locked my from enjoying the hideout till i get flea
Dont give up and git gud. 🔥
@@devilishsolo7811 true
@@devilishsolo7811 but ill be able to buy them begore i find them lol
Scav on reserve and check all the wooden crates. There are 4 around the helicopter, 3 on the black pawn and the shed connected to that building and 3 more down in the command bunker. Also check all drawers for matches, gas analysers and flash drives. This way you also get all cigarettes for Bad Habit.
well I just used it and got 4 kills in a row with FMJ.
I hate the ump. I’d rather use the 45 vector I was on labs and I died to a guy with an ump he had the new lvl6 armor on if had my vector i would’ve been set. The vector is the best gun in labs
The automatic recoil control seriously ruins the game and the UMP is one of the worst examples as to why. That shit needs to be removed so the gunplay is more realistic and skill-based.
git gud 👍🏻
@@framekixrr git gud would mean having the care bear recoil removed so players have to control it themselves.
Clips from early wipe? Wtf, all streamers not late mid wipe or something? Its still early wipe for normal people, as evident in the kills on interchange
early, mid, late wipe are terms generally used to describe the progression of the wipe and playerbase as a whole, not an individual's progression. the terms are useful to describe an average players equipment and goals in raid. if it is early wipe for normal people it is early wipe for everyone, but there will always be outliers, who are ahead of the average
You're really killing the content this wipe, Giga. Good work!
Factual statement
Cheers!
ive just started using it again with APs and it mostly slaps. I usually top pack 10-15 APs because the pen is going to matter a lot less if I get to the lower end of the mag and the extra damage seems to help. Only been a problem for me once so far when I ran into a three man. first two went down like swiss cheese but the end of the mag just didnt have enough oomph to put down the last guy through his nappy. luckily he was not a good shot and i managed to pull off a reload while he sprayed his whole mag in my general direction and I got the third kill. but it was hairy there for a minute. i feel like a full first mag of APs and then top packing the rest is the best plan . at least while i build up a stock of APs to use. Thanks for the great videos mate, you're a beast
I love how you always show the math and explain it simply. Always gonna support you Giga
Cheers :)
I really feel like the state of 5.45 this wipe has solidified it as my go to caliber. The humble 74 has very similar close range performance with much better long range performance while also being one of the few weapons with optics available at LL1 traders. Not to mention that ammunition can be found commonly in the world, nothing beats free 5.45 BS.
except the ump lands sooooooooo many more shots on target. lol recoil for the 545 and 556 just isnt worth it. i feel like.
@@drunkpunk5393 bro it costs like 20k roubles to make it under 60 recoil
@@drunkpunk5393 I'd love to see you land so many more shots on target at 200 meters with an ump. At barrel stuffing range the recoil differences do not matter. The ump is shorter, it's snappier, but for pure utility nothing is going to dethrone the 74 this wipe as a budget option
@@drunkpunk5393 yeah but does FMJ or even AP reliably pen class 5-6 on first or second shot? That’s why BS and 7N39 are overpowered since armor doesn’t exist and cheap ammo like bp rapes class 4. Also, the ak costs the same as the ump and is just better for pretty much anything bc it has 650 rpm and high muzzle velocity
the new SAG 5.45 semi automatic rifle is soooo good with BS rounds and a monstrum compact
5:45 I stumbled across killa peaking double doors in one of the top food shops and somehow tap him twice to the head using the UMP with AP. At first I thought he was just a regular scav when I flicked to him yelling. Felt very lucky that I was using the AP rounds and didnt hit his visor when I looted him and realised it was him.
Currently have about 1.5k .45 AP and I can say it has not let me down yet. Excellent preformance! Also, love your content!
Thanks!
I feel like you made this video because you got sick of people tanking your bullets and want to warn the other players of your same mistake, thank you
Yeah I had a few moments, then went to check the stats. Yikes!
Whenever I watch a video of yours, I feel like I'm sitting down for a university lecture. It comes across so clear when you present it in practical terms and examples. It really helps tear down the shooter mentality of "Ok what the hell, I put (this many) bullets on him and he somehow lived?" with lesser ammo
Haha thanks
I killed a dude with a silenced ump at new gas. He had 4 mags filled w ap. Went from new gas to old gas to drop my last marker and wiped a frigging 4 man man with the dudes ump. They just kept rolling around the corner 1 after another thinking it would yield different results. Can't wait to unlock 45 ap.
Although the Match FMJ doesn't pen level 4 very well, the damage of the round will kill players just from the blunt damage before it actually pens
Anyway SMGs are good enough to use all time if you aim for head,
with low recoil of UMP or high RPM with MP5 or etc.
I use MP5SD and UMP45 and both are good enough to use, unless your FOE don't use any visor
I think the only problem of UMP45 is it's magazine...25, too small for 1vs2 or more.
Yeah I tried a few fights with fmj against class 4 and it failed me miserably.
$8 per round for a mid tier bullet?
Nikita just wants no lifers to run around with armour that normal people cant even damage. why would I use 45 for that price when I could use a much cheaper and more effective rifle round?
i agree, most people i see running the ump with ap go for headshots because they wil probably penetrate their face-shield.
@@ScuffedCamper I just stop playing until the next wipe when i start seeing faceshields. For me, early wipe pvp is the only pvp worth anything in this game.
This game has the most retarded damage model and armour system I have ever seen in any game, not to mention the most disgustingly unbalanced.
Too late, I've been using the UMP a lot this wipe. Oh, I guess I'll still watch your video. :)
Hey Gigabeef, I love your videos and stats analysis. I just saw some interesting points about weapons all having their hidden stats. such as convergence, recoil angle, and recoil dispersion, which can explain why Scar L has the best recoil value. Maybe you would like to go through these features？ These stats can be seen in the offline version EFT.
There's a few vids out there on it, personally I'm a bit uncomfortable going into excruciating detail because of BSG's attitude towards data mining/information on that level getting released!
Why wouldnt i be suprised if your name was Pip. Thanks for the videos, really helping out.
Cheers :)
I know it doesn't matter in the game and probably won't ever but acp stands for automatic colt pistol and there are multiple calibers in that family. .45 acp, .38 acp, .380 acp, .32 acp, and .25 acp. All were designed by John Browning in the very end of the 1800s and first decade of the 1900s. Referring to one as acp could be confusing in real life where the other ones exist, especially.380 which is still very popular in the US.
Thanks for the explanation! Few comments on this, but you're the only one that bothered to actually explain it. I appreciate that
@@Gigabeef Well, you do a great job with your videos but firearms and cartridges are such a deep topic. I'm obsessed with them and I've been working with firearms for 15 years and I still learn new things once in a while.
7.62 BP has been doing me wonders, run it with the new RD 704 it shreds through chads like cheese
Maybe if they remove global limits I could actually buy one lol
diggit, keep'r up
Hey Gigabeef! Not both legs affects your aim. One leg affects walking loudness second leg your aim, don't know which one(left or right) is responsible for what
Wrong go testing it out every way you can before spreading misinformation and also where is your source --- guessing you made it up?
This is from no source gang
cool tip if you dont have a supressor on the ump and fold the stock (must be on the gun and folded cannot remove stock for this to work) you can sprint and you hold it with one hand, but you also make your recoil mad
bibageef?
everyone use the ump it will not get you killed trust me
The recoil on the Vector is so, so, soooo dumb. The whole point of that gun is that it is designed around a recoil system unlike any other that reduces felt recoil to almost nothing. IRL it can do full-auto mag dumps while barely moving in the shooter's hands. It makes no sense that it has significantly more recoil than the UMP or any other subgun in the game for that matter - 'horizontal' or otherwise. If it's "too good" ... make it more expensive, make it more rare, or take it out of the game. Don't just arbitrarily change its performance in a way that runs counter to the logic and realism of the game. The whole magic of Tarkov over other tactical FPS games is the relatively realistic portrayal of gunfights, weapon performance, ballistics, body armor, and wounding. It's the best parts of mil-sim without all the boring parts of mil-sim. The farther they get down this path of arbitrarily changing weapon performance just to "change up the meta" the more steps they're taking down the wrong path. It's a lazy and arbitrary approach to balancing. Stick to realistic portrayals of weapon performance, do the balancing through availability.
So.... The subtitles in the video preview reads as "hey guys googa beef here". Good job youtube
You actually caught me there :D i was just playing the ump not really thinking about the "weak" early bullets... Gonna stick to 545 PP
i really dont understand why people use and consider the ump meta, its a solid smg that is popular but i think others are better, id rather take a mp9 for close range and a mp7 or p90 if i want to spray at longer ranges
P90 and MP7 cost way more to run and the MP9 is basically worthless past point blank. UMP does everything decently at a way lower cost
@@floppy2651 yup, its not cheaper if u silence it with ap tho
@@CssHDmonster same can be said for the other guns lol what’s your point
I think it's used so much because it's a great way to get the loyalty level spending goal for peacekeeper. There really isn't anything else other than the ump worth buying from him before loyalty 3 imo.
Mp9 is probably the best gun for factory in the game, maybe besides .45 vector or ash12. Absolute leg muncher
Wow did not know it had a 0% change with fmj on class 4! Thanks for the info
Yup pretty huge!
Ump is just a good budget gun imo. Not a game slayer but cheap and fun
Some advise, if you don't want to dump too much on the suppressors the .45 vector flash hider works on the threaded barrel
Linus looks really young here
What would we do without gigabeef
UMP hard until you can get Flechette on the regular. Then switch to Saiga 12 with drums. Cash money.
The last like 7 mins of “gun play” is against scavs, could do a better job with a pistol.
Hey Gigabeef, I had an idea for a topic of one of your videos I would love to see. I've tried researching if anyone else has talked about it but I haven't found anything. It has to do with the way buckshot works in the game. I noticed the other day that the way the buckshot and flechette projectiles work is as the distance increases the number of projectiles coming out of your shotgun increases as well. So at close range it comes out as one projectile, at mid range it multiplies into 3, and at long range it turns into 8 (for magnum and flechette).
Maybe you could make a video about how this effects the use of shotguns in a fight? One thing I noticed is that while the damage still stacks between the one projectile and three projectiles it doesn't account for the penetration of each projectile. So when I shoot my teammate with flechette at close range it brings his armor down to somewhere in the 50's which is what I would expect. But, because it is now only one projectile with 31 pen it obviously doesn't make it through the armor. However, if it was actually working as it would in real life I would expect that as the darts hit the armor and start lowering it's health some of those darts would actually make it through.
If you think this is a good topic I would love to hear you talk about it!
the game simulates all 8 projectiles at all ranges
@@reedoken6143 I may be misunderstanding you but if you take a shotgun and try it you will see there is only one projectile up close, 3 projectiles at mid range and then 8 at a longer range. You can test this by going into offline and shooting a scav point blank and then leaving the raid. At the end of raid screen it will show you only hit the scav once but if you shoot it farther out you'll get around 8 hits depending on how many of the projectiles hit it.
Hmm I don't think this is the case, as I shot a scav point blank for testing purposes with 7mm the other day and it registered 8 hits
@@Gigabeef So I went through and tested it again and you're right that the game will still sometimes register 8 hits at point blank. But I still believe the game doesn't register all pellets all the time and I believe when it registers 8 at point blank it is counting the pellets hitting multiple body parts.
The way I tested this was by shooting scavs and then comparing what my mastering level was at before and what it was at afterwards. Because shotgun mastering counts each pellet hitting a target as one point, the difference between my mastering level before and after hitting the scav will be the number of projectiles the game registers as actually hitting the scav. I recorded me doing this if you want to see it I can send it to you.
My logic may be wrong but with flechette, if 8 darts are hitting the target at once shouldn't some of those darts penetrate through the armor since as they hit they will decrease the armor health points leading to darts having a higher chance of getting through?
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I shot a guy in the head with m80 yesterday on shoreline and I watched the round ricochet off his rat helmet.
I was camping when the wipe started so I'm still on all level 1 traders.
Sks go pap pap
I just hate the ump its almost the only gun i fight its so annoying. At least it sells for a decent price to mechanic
I get caught up on using mpx with pst gzh for the same reason. it just feels better but the mid range engagements are just....
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ah, yes the wonderful click bait title. Take my dislike.
Gigabeast.
I killed someone with lvl 5 armored rig with um in 5 bullets....
6:18 that shot on your leg was broken. It was nowhere near your leg on your screen but apparently you were still visible on his screen. This isn't even something that happens once in a while, it's not a hiccup, it's literally just the way it is all the time. It's like the hitboxes are always .5 seconds behind what they should be and it ruins the immersion and playability of the game. BSG needs to fix that before ANYTHING else, including the AI. If I'm watching a corner, knowing a guy is gonna come behind it, I should be able to instantly headshot him 90% of the time when he peaks unless my aim is bad. But there is a subconscious understanding in my mind that KNOWS that when someone is moving, they are "slippery" and I can't just shoot where I see them. Everything is .5 seconds behind so everything is just fucked up and you can't react properly because there's that element of wondering where the hitboxes ACTUALLY are and where they will ACTUALLY go. You need to be able to react to what you see. Not see something and guess whats going to happen .25 seconds in the future and do all this mental gymnastics. Just see, aim, shoot.
You can shoot what you see on your screen, this effect is just classic "desync/latency". You don't register the effects of their shooting until quite a bit later
As a veteran player I see where you’re coming from but regular players aim for the chest, and good veteran players aim for nothing but the head and doing this using ap works perfectly fine until we get max graders for the Meta guns
That was my thinking too. The ump is best because the low recoil and fire rate let you laser beam heads so armor level doesnt matter until altyns.
I guess veterans can make that determination for themselves, this one is more for the regular players :)
budget weapon? ;-; this is my balling out kit loll
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or....you could just shoot them in the face.... ya know cause armor, and cause torso shots are trash after all the changes to ammo and hp pools. i still remember the good ol days when double taps would drop people without armor...if anything this game is losing its "hardcore" edge and becoming a lil more like COD everyday.
But why did you just did a walking Simulator ?
I believe the UMP hype is overblown. A 5.45 AK with BP is still much better.
Agreed even pp is good
Thank you, this is indeed helpful
So inly head shots? What about the thorax?
You really don't need to keep reiterating ACP, as that's part of the name of the cartridge, .45 Auto Colt Pistol.
can we have a vid about how the servers have such latency problems that hitting others is nearly impossible where as they easily oneshot you like they are Sturman?
would love to use 5.45, but the price i just unbelievable for below average player.
mans not gonna click hiss dailies...
As the wipe progresses, I usually swap to the Vector and Hydrashok rounds. You absolutely erase people with leg shots.
Aim for the legs boo!
You can get a VSS/VAL decently cheap. Got a 100% durability for 40k. SP-5 is available at Prapor 2, and is comparable to 45 AP
They nerfed it to low 20's pen.
Almost all the UMPs late last wipe I saw had that Monstrum Compact 2x. It was surprising because I, too, thought that that sight was MADE for that gun. It offers the perfect balance of your actual, applicable range, while not depriving you of rather-close quarters combat capability.
People sleep on the monstrum, I, like you, think it's an incredible sight.
@Gigabeef - your getting shot early in the raid refreshed me of a question I wanted to ask. Do you have a video on the effect of having blacked arm(s) at all? I get into fights with black arms with ADS right at the payers head but always tank. Would be interested to see what the single shot and spray is actually doing.
Just go to the wiki and check the health system
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Aim at face
PP-19 used to be my go-to weapon for early wipe until they fucked it over.
Even into mid-game it was extremely effective due to it’s super cheap weapon-exclusive suppressor and AK platform, it was my little gentleman’s AK that shot like a laser beam. Anyone not wearing a face shield would be dead in a second, and back then you could get tons of AP 6.3 early on so even class 4 stood little chance.
You know AP 6.3 is back right?
Yea you can get ap 6.3 at lvl 3 peace keeper
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I love youtubers that bring up stats and fail at reading them, then talk out of their ass. Look at the armor damage on the ump, that's why FMJ is a good all-arounder. It absolutely destroys armor. That cute little clip you posted of you dying on customs, you hit that guy's arms with most of your shots.
Leg meta with UMP is pretty good , although feels quite odd
Bit low firerate for me
Unrelated to this video but inwas just curious if you might know. As a scav if i kill a rogue do i lose scav karma? Not finding solid info
Rogues you shouldn't, no. Specifically Rogues on Lighthouse
@@Gigabeef appreciate dude!
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I started to really play this game at the end of last wipe and was hoping so much that the game will get way better for a beginner with a new wipe. Yeah well not really. It is more than just annoying to die 95% of the time because people are just spamming MP's like the UMP. Even on damn woods you don't get spared with these and it meanwhile reaches a point where it is just not funny anymore.
UMPa loompa
can u please say ".45" instead of acp? its killing me lmao
45 is the only acp cartridge currently in tarkov tho, so in this context the terms are p much interchangeable
@@reedoken6143 sure i guess. i am literally shooting a 1911 rn btw lmao
@@gmodiscool14 yeah, a 1911 that shoots .45 acp... lmao
@@TacoBender420 yes? i wouldnt say the 1911 shoots "ACP". did you misread something there?
UMP is good, because every rails are in stock and recoil is very good, but actualy is very big problem find ammo, what is very rare in raid and if you will out ammo u are in bad situation, because u must use scav weapons what are very bad on long distance 😅 If you want use SMG with sniper rifle is better option KEDR or MP5 with HP ammo what have good frag. and kill player on heavy bleeding. Best distance for kedr combat is max. 25m and for M5 max. 50m Better option and cheap is AK74u, because good ammo is everywhere and is good for 100m combat and find good ammo is easy like find 9x18 at scav 😂
I had a stroke reading this
You guys forget one crucial thing, point fire, recoil control is not everything.
This wipe i managed to drastically improve (finally) and win many of my pvp fights by simply point firing even with high recoil guns like asval, mdr and even the sa58, "aiming" at this point for me feels useless except if you are shooting at someone in the distance who is standing still and is not aware of your presence, but most people tend to move and rush anyways that means just go with your peek and point fire you will be surprised how many fights you can take
It feels like rate of fire matters more than the round itself for recoil right now, which feels weird. I think that is going to need work in the future.
Also, theres just something aesthetically pleasing about the Kobra on a UMP, the way the circular elements match
Yeah it has a massive impact, I think it's because each round's recoil was increased a lot with 12.12 so the RPM became more meaningful than before
You arent gonna talk about leg meta because its the only viable option when using the UMP. The ammo is straight up garbage.
@@shatteredteethofgod But Hydra and lasermatch are better for legs then FMJ
its already outdated... i have killed multiple people with slicks and that new lvl 5 rigs with the black helm with face shield at lvl 5 with over 102 armor... and i was using BT rounds. with a shorty mosin from fence. so.... yeah. he was lvl43 and a streamer. ;P
Yawn
@@HeinekenGlory if you are tired go to bed.
Ah sweet, so now I can look forward to facing the players who can buy class 5 armour from traders and carry laser beams, while I get facefucked after shooting a guy 20 times with ps.
and they wonder why people prefer early wipe.
@@Red_Lion2000 yep I was only lvl 13. I cant play all day and night but that guy could I guess. Also gate keeping the good ammo away from fresh starts hinders the chance of winning that fight. But BT seems to work good.
@@n0xxm3rcyxx I just stop playing after a few weeks and wait until next wipe.
Tarkov is becoming less and less fun and more frustrating to the point where it just isnt worth it anymore.
When I play hunt showdown I have infinately more fun and dont get frustrated at all, because there is no bullshit broken ironman armour and people die when you shoot them.
Tarkov is the ONLY game that actually makes me mad, not because its hard, but because of the sheer amount of unfair/broken bullshit that makes you feel cheated upon death.
i see that you tend to reuse clips quite often :D
All his other clips are head eyes
does it matter tho it’s not a gameplay video
Spend too long making vids, not enough time playing :)
For the time youtuber needs to collect video material and edit video-you are already late to use advice from video...