Thanks for the video Joe. My video reviews and does a lot of content with the R10. I have been noticing some people have been purchasing the Rapsodo through my links... it must be a pretty darn good advice!
I bought the MLM2PRO, have had it for 3 weeks and connected to the Rapsodo itself practice, combines with no issues, I connected to Awsome golf only once in three weeks. Awsome golf connected only using my iPhone. I could not use my iPad. Sending the unit back due to connections.
Joe is the most legit guy to listen to when it comes to certain golf equipment. No Bias. No BS. Just straight up info that guides you the decision you want to make. He never tries to manipulate you.
Thanks mate I really appreciate that! They are both fantastic products and the R10 still to this day is a great device. Yes us struggles with spin axis especially with the driver but overall it's really good.
Thanks mate! You can now connect the MLM2PRO to GS Pro if that's was a big influence on your choice. You will not be disappointed with the R10 it's a great unit.
Thanks Joe, your videos are great. Both highly informative and entertaining. As a Garmin R10 owner for about a year I initially thought the MLM2 was going to be a far superior product and make the R10 obsolete. I couldn't have been more wrong. Apart from the spin axis not being as accurate everything else about the R10 is fantastic. All the faults with the MLM2 have been painful to watch and in reality all it offers is a pretty bland driving range experience that requires the ridiculously expensive RPT balls. Sure the R10 works better with the RCT balls but it also works Ok with normal balls and the RCT balls, whilst not cheap, are half the price of the RPT balls. I really thought I would eventually 'upgrade' to the MLM2 but I'm thinking I'll definitely stick with the Garmin and eventually upgrade when they release the Garmin R20. 😂 I mainly use my R10 at the range or in a net setup at my club and both experiences are equally enjoyable. There are two ranges that I mainly go to and they have very different quality range balls. One the balls fly much shorter. e.g. if I'm hitting my 140 club the balls only seem to carry approximately 120 but I have found by setting the altitude to approximately 2,000m I get distances closer to what I would expect and they have Trackman in every bay and the Garmin is pretty close. At my home course outdoor range the balls seem to fly normal distance so no need to tamper with the altitude. Unless I want to pretend I'm Bryson DeChambeau and hit my 7 iron 220! 😂 Thanks again for the great content. 👍
Love it mate! Thanks for that comment and I agree with everything you said. I think the Garmin gets negative comments because it estimates a lot of things. But truth be told those estimations are still within 1 or 2 degrees tolerance. I think the Garmin is a fantastic unit and I'm excited and really hoping Garmin is working on the next version.
“Apart from the spin axis not being as accurate…” - to me, that just trumps everything else. Spin axis is critical to accurate shot shape; without it, can’t rely on the results. I had the R10 and it was really frustrating in that regard. So MLM2 wins hands down for me. But to each their own. R10 for sure has a more polished app than the MLM2. If Garmin comes out with a device that can accurately measure spin axis - maybe the R20? -I’ll for sure consider it.
On a budget? Get your sim going with a Garmin and awesome golf then upgrade later. You won’t loose as much on the Garmin. Money not a problem- go the mevo+ or skytrack or better
Look I was sold on the MLM2 and sold my R10 to get one, then discovered how unbelievably rubbish the MLM2 is and sent that back for a full refund and re-bought the R10. That tells you everything 🎉🎉🎉🎉
It has definitely not been the smoothest start to the MLM2PRO. I think it's heading in the right direction but still has a LOOONG way to go!!!! I don't blame you if it was my only device I would have sold it or returned it a long time ago.
I can’t disagree more. The R10 is a a toy. If you hit any type of shot shape with the R10 it doesn’t read it properly and is giving you a educated guess.. for example a push draw will show a straight push on the r10 every single time. Although the MLM2 Pro has some connection issues with third party apps, the device itself as well as the app are incredible.
@@DanC1515 You gotta give the R10 a bit of credit it really started the segment. It really pushed the market and gave your average golfer a launch monitor that is pretty accurate! Yes I agree the shot shape is not right 100 percent of the time and the unit can't read gear effect so it is never going to be great with woods or drivers. I have done videos on this... However you get a really good simulation golf experience and it gets you practicing at home. I totally agree the MLM2PRO is a step up in hardware and I LOVE the calculated spin axis indoors. That is genius... However the app is extremely buggy and it needs a lot of work to get it to being a smooth good user experience for everyone. I do think it will get there though.. it will just take time.
Great video - I recently got the MLM2 been very happy with it. My connection issues have not been bad, much easier with Wi-Fi internet connection when available. I have noticed when I am indoors or outdoors hitting into the net and choose Rapsodo ball my yardages were 15-20 yards off each club except for wedges. If I choose premium ball it’s fine. No Landscape mode in simulation is very lame also can’t add another player. However Awesome Golf app is great with it just got it and you were spot on. Thanks for detailed video!
Good to hear about the connection issues mate. That's interesting I haven't experienced big yardage discrepancies. Maybe a few yards but I haven't really done a lot of in-depth testing with carry distances yet. It's definitely something I'll do though with the different apps. For me Awesome golf is the best app for iOS in terms of accuracy for both the Garmin and Rapsodo.
Amazing video that answers most of what i looked for. The Rapsodo is basically at least twice, if not three times expensive, in use if you want the spin and be able to play courses on third party apps. And it disconnects at least once every five minutes, and on top of that, have a pretty useless app, that gets even more shafted if you do not pay $200 us a year and $85 per dozen of balls, which you may not even use in real life.
I'm definitely going to have to do an updated version of this video! There have definitely been a lot of software updates and just troubleshooting from myself that has fixed a lot of the issues with the Rapsodo. Right now if it's my money there's no question which one I'm buying... the MLM2PRO. That's because I really value that accurate spin axis indoors and now there is the amazing GS Pro connector. That being said there is still a use case for the Garmin! It's still a fantastic device and there are still a lot of pros to having the Garmin.
Great video Joe, you pretty much covered everything, I’m happy to stick with my R10 for now, it’s not perfect but for my level of skill it gets me swinging my clubs every day, I use Awesome Golf with it and can play their courses which are very enjoyable. Even if I was buying for the first time now I would still pick the R10, I feel Rapsodo is way too expensive for a sub 1k launch monitor, the fees of $300 bucks a year feel more like I’m renting the unit not buying it, at least with the stickers the balls are taken out of play, seems there trying to scalp us at every turn, what’s to stop them upping the yearly fees, they can just disable your device anytime they want, I really don’t like to be stood over like that, if Garmin doesn’t come up with a more advanced unit in time I will get the Sky Track, it’s more expensive but at least I won’t be paying a ransom to a company to use something I paid a $1000 bucks for, just my thoughts.cheers mate
Thanks Ken! The R10 and Awesome Golf is the best combo for iOS and data accuracy. They really have the software dialed in perfectly! Yeah that's a good way of putting it renting the unit.. it's really annoying but a lot of companies are doing this model now including skytrak. That's what's so good about the old foresight GC2.. no subscription fees and amazing data accuracy.
@@10KenHall Around $4-4500 AUD.. the thing is trying to find one in Australia and then there are also a few things to look out for. There are a few available on the SGT discord page. There is a guy selling his at the moment for $2800 USD and he is a really reputable guy and that also comes with spare flashes (GC2 uses flashes).
The R10 is a really solid unit! I feel you on those subscription fees..... Does my head in but unfortunately that's the way of the world now. I think a lot of these companies have realised is it's not really about the hardware where they make their money. Yes they'll make their money initially on the actual hardware but if you can get people to keep paying subscription fees that's where you can really make a lot of money 😭. Which obviously for us as end users we have to take the hit! The old saying you got to pay to play.
Hey mate the R10 is still a great product! There is definitely still a buyer for it. For me and my money between the MLM2PRO and R10 I'm going MLM2PRO. My recent video comparing the R10 to the Uneekor eye mini definitely shows the R10 is still a great unit... you just need to be aware of its limitations. Cheers
Hi there. Re your disconnection issues. I have found since the last update I have had no disconnection issues. The only time I do get disconnection is when I take my phone (which I'm using) to far away from the mlm pro. I've played courses with awesome golf, then practice with it's own app continuous with no connection issues. The only problem I get is when my phone goes flat. When using the practice for chipping, it's read each and every chip/direction exactly right. I've only practiced between 5m and 20m and each time it's accurate. This is all outside using a net and old premium balls to. So yeah, my experience with it now after updates is a positive one. So a couple of things to remember, keep your device close to the mlm2pro all the time and for better reading accuracy and less miss reads make sure if using indoors there is plenty of light for the camera to see the ball spinning properly. I mean, would you drive your car at night with your sunglasses on😊. Great device and I'd fully recommend it. Regards David from Perth. The home of Ron Chopper😂
Hey David I think the connection issues are slowly getting better and I'm starting to think it might have something to do with the device people are running it on. I use an iPad pro and it's not a great experience. I have played with my iPad in the holder of the MLM2PRO and it has no bearing on connectivity.. my iPad where I put it is only around 5-6 feet from my unit so if it can't connect that far there are bigger issues here 🤣🤣. Yes the longer chip shots will register however if you try doing some basic bump and run shots I would be really interested to see if your unit picks them up. Anything that lands say 6 - 12 feet doesn't register. The issue with this is when you inevitably leave yourself a short sided chip shot while playing simulated golf on e6 for example you are going to have to hit it past the hole as it won't register the short chip shots and then you will make a bogey instead of a par. I have shown in multiple videos with lights completely on and off I still get the same results. I spoke with justin from Rapsodo directly about this and he said I have ample light in my setting. I think it's just early days for this product and I think it will get better but for me at this point it's more of a full swing practice unit than something to use for home Sim golf. And it is amazing at that! The data is great. Also I love Perth it's such a beautiful place! I used to live in Hillary's as a kid.. I remember playing one of my favorite courses to this day Carramar golf course! Such a good track and tough as well.
@@JLagGOLF Hi and thanks for that in-depth reply. It sounds like it's iPad issues maybe? Maybe not as compatible as Android? Which in itself is unusual as I think being a American product, it would of been developed around iOS? I'll be happy when I can finally connect my PC laptop directly. I believe the updates are on their way? Currently to connect my PC I use Dex to connect via my Samsung phone (which is leaning against the Rapsodo. That way I can have my large laptop screen right in front of me (connected via Bluetooth to my phone). I have no issues of loss connections etc. Other than either my phone or laptop battery going flat first🤪. For your reference, I'll try doing 6ft chips tomorrow ok and let you know the results. Regards David
@@David-ec1hs Yes! That's the odd thing... I would have thought the iPad would have been the most stable of all devices. It's strange and maybe it is my actual unit.. I look forward to hearing back about your short chip shots! Also Ron Chopper is the man 🤣 his early videos were my life for a while when I worked in a pro shop.
@@JLagGOLF Hi Joe. Done some little chips with my Mizuno T22 58deg C grind today. Got a few in the mid 2.5m carry range. One actually recorded 2.0m 😱. The spin rate was 1919rpm , ball speed was 12.1 mph. But basically anything below 2.5m, forget it! Seems 3m and over record nearly everytime. The mlm2pro was placed about 6ft 10inch behind (2.1m) from where the hitting area was. I had a tape measure to see how accurate it was and it seemed to be within a few 100mm, so pretty good. Tho with my game I tend to measure things in 10s of metres 😁. Have got some screen shots if you want? Regards David
Great video, Joe! I have both units and my experience has been nearly identical to yours for the MLM2PRO issues. I will say that the only consistent connection that I have had with it is when using a direct Bluetooth (not wifi) connection from Awesome Golf. Once connected that way, I can play until the battery on the MLM2PRO dies.Wifi has never worked consistently. Also, there are some issues with the R10 misreading shots with a low HLA (especially chips) when using RCT balls. You're a good ball striker, so you don't see it!
Hey Herb I'm literally the exact same! Awesome Golf is stable!! It's never missed a beat which is just odd 🤣. Even connecting to awesome golf I've never had an issue. So I never use the RCT balls when I'm chipping as I've found I just get some odd misreads.
Hahaha well look it all depends on what you want out of the device. If you have the money then yes those devices are fantastic but even those have limitations that you need to be aware of. I'd love to get my hands on the new skytrak plus and see how it goes.. maybe one day 🤞🤞
Nice! Glad it helped mate. Just so you are aware there is a way to connect the MLM2PRO up to GS Pro so definitely factor that in to your decision. Your still obviously have the subscription costs that you wont have with the Garmin.
Also what a great video. Accurately wraps up both units and condenses the info down to a palatable level. Maybe the ideal situation currently is to buy both units? The rapsodo has the accuracy but at a higher outlay and high ongoing cost. If the unit had no connection issues, an updated range and good courses with landscape, elevation and better physics then it would instantly be worth the money. 3rd party connections would then be a complete bonus and a value add. The main issue is all theabove suggestions don't seem to exist yet and the 3rd party options are limited or have connection issues or bugs (like no spin axis in E6 connect) Im still waiting and will continue to wait before i buy as i really really value the accuracy over anything else but cant justify those costs for a unit with issues... Thanks for the vid ❤
Thanks mate! So I'm happy to report e6 has been fixed with an update and is working. I'll have a video out in the next few days. But yes you hit the nail on the head.. there are a lot of things they need to improve. The list is HUGE! I wouldn't recommend buying both.. I think if you're considering that then it would probably be better to save a bit more and get a skytrak+ or even better a used GC2 even though they are hard to find. The advantage of those as well as it opens up putting which now you have proper Sim golf!
Thanks mate! Yes absolutely I've wanted to make it for a while but really wanted to get to know the MLM2PRO and give it a chance before finally putting it out there. Cheers
Another great video, thanks for the in depth analysis, Joe. Can I ask, do either the MLM2Pro or R10 calculate (or measure) side-spin, and do we know how this impacts the ball flight and distances? The reason I'm asking, David Maxfield put up a video about E6 and MLM, and had a little snipper that pointed to the spin axis bug. The snippet also noted that side spin wasn't being determined correctly, either, and that there was no timetable to fix that. I'm wondering how that would impact the E6 experience and whether one device should do side spin better than the other (you would think this would be MLM2Pro given the camera and RCT balls).
Hey Graeme thanks for that mate! So good news the e6 and the spin axis bug is fixed. I'll have a video out soon 🤞🤞. The Rapsodo does calculate the spin axis which is the massive selling point for it. The Garmin estimates it and it does a very good job at this however it isn't going to be correct 100 percent of the time.
@@JLagGOLF Thanks, Joe! That's a great sign. I was at my club today and couldn't get the connection to work with E6, so was unable to test it out. Is there a firmware update that I might have missed? I'll double check. Sorry I didn't specify, but do you know any thing about "side spin" as opposed to "spin axis" by any chance? Are these two different things? -Graeme
Hey Dennis the positive thing is a lot of these cons can be fixed with updates and you never know a community built GS Pro connector could still come out. I know there are people working on it.
Great vid Joe. Still enjoying my Farmin R10. Hoping to see if there is a way for the ST2 to work with. GS pro as I am considering going that route. All the best. Lee.
Hey Lee the original skytrak works with it so I'm sure the community is already working on connecting the new one. I'd love to test the new skytrak it looks like a great unit! The original was looooong overdue for an update.
Awesome job jo👌 looks I'm definitely buying a second r10😂 i sold the first one way to early out of frustration and sunce been waiting on the mlm 2pro to come good🙄 i would really love to work on shot shape but the simulator experience is number one priority so the whole household and friends can enjoy it as well. Again, thankyou for the honest review.
Thanks Kevin! Appreciate the comment. Yes right now the R10 is working great 👍 like it said the only real flaw is sometimes it doesn't get shot shape in particular with driver. Other than that it's a really solid reliable little unit. The MLM2PRO will get there I'm very confident of that but it will take time. Since this video it has now got a connector to GS Pro and it works great! The other good news is Justin from Rapsodo told me that they are aware of the chipping issues and they are working on that now. It will take a little bit of time but I'm sure the MLM2PRO we'll get there. Just like it took the r10 a little bit of time. Cheers
Im so glad i bought a skytrak second hand, i paid £100 more than the rrp of the mlm2 pro. The mlm2pro has tons of potential but the i don't trust rapsodo will unlock the potential
Yeah Garry that’s a massive win. And the thing is with skytrak you have putting so it opens up all those additional events with the SGT and also playing others online.
Thanks Tim! I'd love to test the Swing Caddie SC4.. I have reached out to them multiple times but unfortunately I haven't heard anything back. I'll keep trying but I think my channel and influence isn't big enough to be on their radar. Cheers
Not yet mate. Still have the same where 80 percent is portrait including the Rapsodo courses and then you can choose landscape for the practice range mode and also the Rapsodo range.
That's strange I find all the distances with each app to be really good in terms of carry distance. I haven't seen much difference between them all tbh however I will need to do some in-depth testing on this. I just don't like the recent disconnects with the new beta... Bringing back bad memories
Very informative video. Quick question, this is the initial launch MLM2, the Garmin has been on the market for a few years, did it have similar issues when it first launch? If so, then I would expect the MLM2 to fix the issues with a 2024 software update!
Hey Scott there were issues with the Garmin R10 but nothing like what we are seeing with the MLM2PRO. Most of the issues with the Garmin R10 were algorithm issues with the estimated spin. The chipping has also improved a lot since launch. I definitely think there is an element of that with the MLM2PRO but these disconnections and the instability a lot of people are having are far beyond anything we saw from the R10. I do think it will improve with time and I have my fingers crossed 🤞🤞
I hope you can thoughts on the skytrack I realise it's a bit more expensive. It wish we could get the bushnell launch pro in Australia I would buy it tomorrow
Mate I'd be all over the Bushnell launch pro as well! Even with the subscription costs. They are also selling the GC3 in America and the UK as a ball only data unit! So it's basically an updated GC2.. and then you can also in the future pay an additional fee to unlock club data. I wish we had these options here in Australia. Again we seem to get screwed on things like this 😭. I can't really comment on Skytrak as I have never used it.. I would love to try the new skytrak + and have reached out to them.
Neither! I've come to terms with it No doubt the the budget range has improved over the years to be more accessible for the home/amatuer user But I still can't justify spending close to 1k on technology that I believe can be improved alot more
You are right there isn't an absolute perfect solution yet for the budget user but they are insanely good now. The MLM2PROs data is comparable to GC QUAD which is just mind-blowing. I feel like we are at the iPhone 4g stage at the moment if that makes sense! Keen to see what Garmin is working on. Cheers
@JLagGOLF 1) do you know if rapsodo have acknowledged & comitted to fixing the MLM connection and chipping issues ? 2) do you know if there is a “R20” or so version of the Garmin in the works that may be a step up from the R10 that would measure spin axis?
Hey Stewart so I know they have acknowledged the disconnection issues and are working to try and fix them for everyone. As for the chipping I haven't heard anything from them and I have no idea if they are trying to make the unit better in that regard... They could turn around and say that's what chipping is like and just not address it. I don't think they will.. I believe that the chipping experience will get better. I have a very small channel so I don't even know if they watch my videos or if I'm even on their radar (I highly doubt I am). I would love to work with them to make the product a better experience for everyone. As far as Garmin and the next launch monitor no I haven't heard a peep. Garmin can go either way.. they could be working on a gen 2 product or they might not be it's really hard to tell with them. They have so many products out in different categories and some of them only have follow up products and some don't. I don't think we will hear about the R20 until it's released! But I have my fingers crossed.
@@JLagGOLF thankyou mate. Unfortunately - im sure i am the same as many others wanting the reliability of the r10 for the rapsodo with the spin axis and video functions.. cheers
Great video. Do you have waggle problem on MLM2PRO? Before the shot, I have to stop completely. If I move a little, my R10 often can't read my shot. How about MLM2Pro? Thank you.
Hey mate so no the Rapsodo isn't as sensitive with club waggles. However that being said I think this is why it isn't as good as chipping because the radar isn't as sensitive. I believe if they adjusted the sensitivity of the radar to better pick up chip shots it would then be the same as the R10 in terms of club waggles.
Yes this is just amazing... I love it.. it turns the R10 into a very powerful and fun device. It's amazing how much software can enhance a device. I'm hoping that the Rapsodo will eventually get a GS Pro connection 🤞🤞
Great video. I think the mlm2pro will ultimately win out but it may take some time while they work through all the issues. Has the shot shape issue been fixed with e6 and the MLM2PRO?
So I want to believe that yes the Rapsodo will eventually win out.. but I'm not sure. They have now done 3 updates on the connection issues and I thought they were gone but they aren't. I have fingers crossed that it will eventually live up to what we thought it wasn't going to be. Yes apparently e6 has been fixed I'm testing that today! If I can get connected 🤣😭
Yes unfortunately you still need the Rapsodo subscription because you need the Rapsodo range to get spin and spin axis. Without those two metrics you can't give GS Pro the data it needs to get the shot shape
@@thedayhayfilms It's really vital to get the spin axis or the shot will just go dead straight and won't be represent what is actually happening. If you were going to do that tbh you would be better off with the R10 at least that gets it right most of the time.
Great video, thanks! I’ve actually been leaning Rhapsodo until watching this and think I might do the R10 now. My only concern is the side spin and shot shaping. I’ve been working on my slice with my driver and longer clubs and don’t want to think I’m hitting straight just to get on the course and sail it right every time. Is there a combination of metrics you can look at in the R10 to signify it would’ve sliced even if it shows up as straight?
Hey mate definitely check out my three most recent videos on my channel. Someone has actually made a connector for GS Pro now for the Rapsodo! Which tbh is a game changer. I have also emailed Rapsodo asking them about chipping and other things and they have been following my videos and are working on the chipping. So I have faith that the chipping will get resolved. If I was personally going to spend my money now I would get the Rapsodo.. yes there are subscription fees each year and yes you need to use the RPT balls or balls with dots on but for me personally (and I think you will be in the same boat) I love that with the Rapsodo I can hit balls and never be second guessing the ball flight. That's where I'm at currently.. yes there are still some advantages to the r10 like no subscription fees and chipping (currently). In terms of a combination of metrics for misreads not really.. the R10 like I've shown in my driver spin axis test it really can't take gear effect into account and this is the biggest downfall. For me if it misses the club data then that's definitely a tell because the unit will just take the HLA (horizontal launch angle) and go dead straight. I think if you're really after something to work on shot shape then between R10 and Rapsodo MLM2PRO it's definitely the MLM2PRO you want. Hope that helps! Cheers
@@JLagGOLF thanks for such a thorough reply, appreciate it! I’ll decently be checking out those other videos, but this was really helpful (although my wallet may not agree lol)
@@BBQBeefBoiI definitely feel you with that mate. But if you think about it this way... To go hit a bucket of balls is $15 so after 6 months it will pay for itself 🤣🤣
Hey mate they were resolved for me for the past 6 months! But then the recent beta update started them again. Check out my latest video on it. I'll be giving my feedback to Rapsodo and hopefully they don't release the beta version in its current state 😂 ruclips.net/video/fA4PnJClskI/видео.htmlsi=7UWWzFt9qHwAuKal
Hey mate thanks for that! Yes so unfortunately when using the RCT balls with the wedges it doesn't register the club data. I'm not sure why but it's very common. It's been like that ever since they introduced the RCT balls and we haven't had an update to fix this.
Ok, so what do you recommend for someone who will be doing primarily practice outside on the driving range with the occasional use of games and/or sim within practice sessions to liven it up? But never indoors.
Hey mate I would recommend the MLM2PRO and the only reason is outside on the range it's fantastic. The cameras are really great as well and the shot tracer is very accurate. You could then get Awesome Golf and you would have a nice little outside monitor with the 4 9 holes courses and games. The only issues you might have are: 1) The distances might come up a little short if you're hitting range balls. 2) no club path or face data Having said that you can use the 240fps camera to see your club through impact. Cheers
Hello! I don't see the guy you said you were going to link in the description that you beat in a challenge using the garmin R10. Can someone please comment that link? I tried looking the guy up but it's hard as an American to understand the Aussie Accent 😅
Great in depth video mate, very informative and i really appreciate the effort. Just wondering, to date have the issues regarding connection problems with the mlm2pro been resolved via updates? Currently tossing up between the two units but considering I solely intend to use predominantly as a Sim and the mlm2pro being riddled with connectivity issues, I'm heavily leaning towards the r10
Thanks mate I appreciate that! So with connectivity quick answer for me yes.. since this video Rapsodo has come out with a new quick connect method which is absolutely fantastic! It's now a lot easier to connect. If it occasionally does disconnect it generally reconnects by itself which again is a massive pro. I have found that it doesn't for whatever reason like my router! So I have a wifi extender in my garage now that I connect my iPad and MLM2PRO up to and use the home wifi method and I have had zero disconnects using the Rapsodo app! It's solid. I also dont have any issues using the 3rd party apps as they have also been updated and fixed. I never struggled with awesome golf that was always solid but e6 was very hit and miss.. I'm happy to say now for me it works great. I do get a fair few no reads using e6 though which is random. There are still some users having difficulties with e6 and connecting it up. If I was going to choose now between them for me building a Sim there's no doubt I'd be getting the MLM2PRO just for the accurate ball flight! I think the Garmin still has its place being really an ultra affordable unit and it connects a lot better to GS Pro as well being able to directly connect but for me I really value the MLM2PRO data and ball flight accuracy. Hope that helps. Cheers
One reviewer said he uses a dedicated IP on his home network and that resolved connectivity issues with Rapsodo. Glad you responded to his question Joe, I’ll probably buy it now. Btw, great review, very thorough.
The R10 and Awesome Golf is a really great combo! If you are after dialing in yardages and working on your game you get all the club data to do it... Fantastic combo. I haven't used the skytrak + but again you're dealing with subscription costs. Everything I've seen the skytrak is an amazing device.. I'd love to give it a go!
@@JLagGOLF - I love my Skytrak+. It reads white Sci-Core practice balls just fine, sits a few centimeters to the side of the tee, & only requires a few centimeters of ball flight. It saves a ton of space. I’m keeping my R10/Awesome Golf combo as a backup unit, & because it’s eminently portable. But Skytrak+ is now my primary launch monitor, & the Skytrak range & stats work very well on iPad/iPhone. No subscription cost is incurred to use the Skytrak range & stats software. It’s required for saving historical shot statistics on the Skytrak Web portal, for bag mapping (IIRC), & to use Skytrak+ with E6.
Great video, are you sponsored by Garmin🤣 I am off scratch and wanting a device which can improve my wedging (playing games) so carry is essential as well as path. Would you recommend this? I am using outdoor during summer, not indoor. My mate has a garmin and he said the same as you, the carry is always 5/10 yards short but would the awesome app sort this out? Thanks
Hey mate I wish I was 🤣🤣. No I'm not sponsored or endorsed by any of these companies.. that's why I speak freely and say it as it is with all of them! I do have an affiliate link for the Rapsodo so if you purchase it through that link the channel gets a kickback but honestly I couldn't care less if people use it 😂. My channel has always been to give my honest review and experience... not another fake sponsored RUclips video. For me if I was you I'd be getting the MLM2PRO as all the data is absolutely spot on and so is shot shape outdoors and more importantly indoors! But it doesn't give you one of your data points you want being club path. The Garmin is a fantastic unit however you really need to be diligent with lining it up correctly! And yes Awesome Golf will sort the carry Yardages out! It's great software and the coaching section of the application is still my favourite practice area with the way they layout all the data. I know Rapsodo has some things planned for release (software updates) at the PGA show so if you can hang out until then it might change your mind. I have no idea what they are... They wouldn't tell me 😭 but they said that they were excited about it. Hope that helps Cheers
@@JLagGOLF thank you mate, appreciate the honesty! Your content is great by the way. Do you think the MLM will eventually have path on it as an additional package like the mevo? Also, wood I need fhe balls and isn’t there a subscription fee? With it being cold and wet, I’ll only get to use for 6 months in summer. I do like the Garmin so you’re saying if it’s lined up correctly then it’s accurate enough? Thanks dude
Just curious, if you had the money or option to get a older Skytrak for around double the price of an R10, would you have rather went with that as your launch monitor or would you still have went with the R10? I am just starting and cannot decide which way to go. I think I can get an older Skytrak for $1200. I know it's more money, but for $600 more, would I be getting a much better setup for Sim Golf. I will mainly be using it to play GSPro and not for practice, so maybe the Skytrak is overkill. Plus, I don't know what software Skytrak supports, I suppose you can play GSPro with it. I might be better off getting the Garmin and just saving the extra cash for a better Projector or Gaming Laptop. Love your channel, and thanks in advance for advice.
Thanks mate! So the Garmin works great for Sim golf and GS Pro connection. You can connect the skytrak to GS Pro and I haven't used it but everything I've heard works great. The thing I really don't like with skytrak and the reason I didn't buy the original was the shot lag... The lag between impact and the ball flight just drive me mad 🤣. Having said that the skytrak would absolutely be better than the r10 for a Sim experience. Honestly the putting in GS Pro is fantastic and having a unit that gives you putting all within the unit is a massive advantage. I don't know your budget but for me a used GC2 is the best "budget" (yes it is a bit more expensive) device you can get. It's a big step up from skytrak and it doesn't have any subscription fees. Because a lot of the old GS Pro users had them as well they integrate really well with it. If you get the R10 you will definitely upgrade in the future but that's not a bad thing.. it's what I did and a lot of other people do.
So, during your video, you mentioned multiple times about having a gaming laptop to run the programs. This may be a dumb question, but if I have a gaming PC set up, can I do the same thing or is there a reason and needs to be a laptop?
Hey Doug no a gaming PC is actually better as you can upgrade / replace parts. I just mention the laptop as that's what I run at the moment. Good pick up! Cheers
So frustrating with Garmin and connecting to Bluetooth. I have followed everything and still cannot connect via Bluetooth to windows 11 pro. The R10 shows up but never connects or allows to force a connection. Now I have wasted money on GSPro that will not work. Waste of time and money
Hey Andy have you gone through all the troubleshooting steps? ruclips.net/video/JkW7XN6kHKY/видео.htmlsi=VyxrLLaFc76G9nm8 If you have and still can't get it working I highly recommend joining the Facebook group and take pictures and show us what it's doing that way we can help to get it working. Search for Joe Lagowski Golf on Facebook
Hey Joe! Apologies in advance for the long comment. I realize im about 4 months late to the party but 4 months ago Id never even played a real round of golf. But here I am now, in love with the sport and wanting to dump my wallet into it to practice and get better. That being said, I read a lot of the previous comments and I saw that more recently you were recommending the MLM2 Pro more and more for most people. I have 2 questions. Whats the connection like at the range? And forgive me if you said this, does the Pro have the option for the GS Pro courses? Whichever I get I want the option to do both simulations/training and taking it to the range. I love the data the pro gives but I dont want to be disconnected every 5 minutes.
Hey mate, it's amazing how this sport grabs us and we get addicted! So Rapsodo has done a lot of work with the connection issues and I'm up to a point now where I don't have any connection issues in my home or outside. I'm outside. I'm obviously using the direct connection method where the Rapsodo emits its own Wi-Fi signal and you connect your phone up to that. At home I found that using a Wi-Fi extender has completely fixed my connection issues. In saying that I did have a random disconnect the other day when I was playing awesome golf but you can have disconnects with any unit now. This unit is amazing at the range as well because you get a shot tracer which is really cool. And the distances I was getting at the range were actually legit compared to what I get at home because it has a range ball mode. It must just add 10% on or something to the total or carry yardage. You can hook the MLM 2 Pro up to GS Pro using Springboks connector and then screen mirroring from your device to your computer. The software essentially takes a screenshot of your data on the air play window and then puts that into GS Pro. It's not the most elegant solution but it works. I know that people with Android phones though are having trouble with the connector working due to the way the actual app displays the information. It's not going to be as easy or reliable as the Garmin R10 connection that directly Bluetooth to your laptop or computer, but at the end of the day at least you know. The ball flight is going to be correct due to the way the MLM 2 Pro can calculate spin axis. If it was my money I would personally get the MLM 2 Pro. Yes, there'll be a bit more fiddling around getting it connected to GS Pro, but I personally think it's worth it to get the accurate data. Other people who just don't want to have the extra steps or arent computer savvy would probably benefit from getting the Garmin. I do have a lot of people contacting me though saying that are struggling to get the garmin connected and we have to do a bit of troubleshooting. I think anytime you're using something that is an officially supported with a software you're always going to have little issues. But either way you go, you'll be able to get it connected eventually if you really want to.
@JLagGOLF that is probably one of the most in-depth replies I've ever seen for RUclips. I love it. You've got me sold on getting that Rapsodo for sure. I'll be getting that first so I can at least bring it to the range to practice while I spend all the rest of the money building my at home setup. I'm glad I found your channel as I've already watched like 10 other videos. Keep up the great work!
Do you have an update you could provide me on if all or some of the difficulties of the MLM2Pro have been resolved? I like the Garmin R10s app that you showed and ease of use but would prefer having the cameras/ accuracy of the Rapsodo. Does the MLM2pro have GSPro and landscape now? Can you use regular balls with the MLM2Pro? Also, maybe on the flip side, has the Garmin had and improvement in accuracy or performance overall? Thanks!
Thanks mate! So you don't need to spend as much as you think. On the GS Pro website it has minimum requirements for what experience you want. But if you were to buy something like this : www.jbhifi.com.au/products/hp-victus-16-fhd-144hz-gaming-laptop-12th-gen-intel-i5-geforce-rtx-3050ti?ab_version=B&gclid=Cj0KCQjwy9-kBhCHARIsAHpBjHgrD-uQbdeYNCMZdfvvAAMS-abclLEAUdbJnVfke_hqR4O2SQseG10aAov-EALw_wcB You should be able to run GS Pro on medium to high settings at 1080p. I haven't looked at the specs entirely but it has a 3050ti which is a strong card.
Ideally 6ft unit to ball then at least 8ft ball to screen.. I have 10ft ball to screen and I find the longer ball to screen distance the better. That being said I did do a test where I went below the minimum recommended distances and the R10 actually worked pretty well 🤣.
@@JLagGOLF Thanks mate. The only think that is stopping me from purchasing the r10 is spin axis. If you could get accurate spin axis this would be the ultimate.
Also without correct spin axis leads me down the path of tricking me into correcting/changing my swing. This equals danger lol. How off is spin axis using gs pro with all clubs? Cheers Joe 👍🏼
Hahaha this segment of launch monitors is only going to get better and better! It's going to be cool in 5 years from now to see what devices we have. The Garmin started it all and it's just going to get better and better.
This is a fantastic review. So informative and well put together. By far the best I have found for this comparison. Subscribed! Have the Rapsodo issues subsided/been resolved? Thanks
Thanks for that Stephen! A lot of them have been resolved which is good. For the disconnects I figured out it was my router and now connect up to a wifi extender in my garage and the connection within the Rapsodo app is completely stable with zero disconnects. The 3rd party apps like e6 and awesome golf still have a bit of trouble with connection especially e6. A lot of people in the community still have trouble staying connected with e6. Chipping is the biggest thing... Rapsodo has admitted that chipping isn't great and they said they were working on a fix however unfortunately we are still waiting. We do now have a connector for GS Pro! And it is really quite good. So overall there is still a bit of work for Rapsodo to do but they are definitely moving in the right direction and best of all they actually listen and respond to the community. Cheers
@@JLagGOLF Thanks for the great response. I actually watched the connection resolve video today which was good to see - seems they are definitely going in the right direction. Now to find a net as my set up will be external in the garden! Thanks
Joe what projector would you recommend for a 12ftx8ft ? 6ft of throw distance. I'm going to do the r10 with gspro? Trying to keep it under $1k for the projector
Hey mate so the BenQ TH761ST is a fantastic projector that a lot of people use for golf Sims. It's a short throw projector so doesnt need a lot of space between the screen and the location of the projector. Definitely head to projector central to figure out the mounting location and image size
Thanks mate, super insightful. I use my R10 mostly on the range and during practice rounds on course. Especially on course using my gaming ball helped me gap my wedges tremendously. Using three different swings, I can now get 12 different distances anywhere between 15 to 108m, using my 4 wedges. Anyway, the only problem I have on course is that it almost always estimates my spin rates to be 1000-3500 on my wedges, whereas I know I spin my lobwedge close to 10,000 on full shots, for example. Any ideas how to fix that?
Hey mate that's a fantastic idea gapping on course when it's not busy. Really odd though those estimates spins?? It definitely shouldn't be that low. I would assume it's throwing off the carry yardages? I'm not sure how to fix that tbh I'll try do a bit of digging and see what I can find.
I don't have the R10 so I can't comment on that. I do have Skytrak and the MLM2. At the moment I am keeping both but the MLM2 is excellent and I have no connection problems at all. I have to smile when people get so het up about the annual cost of the MLM2 (after the 1st year). I don't like subscriptions any more than the next guy but come on, if you can afford to play golf, you can afford that small amount each year. Skytrak also has a £100 plus sub each year for the game improvement plan, which is pretty much a must-have, so not much difference there. Then the balls. I have bought a box of 12, plus the 3 that come with the MLM2. I would estimate they will be fine for at least 6 months, so again, it's not a big deal cost-wise. If someone is serious about improving their game with ultra-accurate numbers then the MLM2 seems to be the best budget option.
Unfortunately for me just being able to afford something isn’t a good enough reason to pay for it. On principle I need to get some value. At the moment it’s like buying a car, and having to pay a subscription to use the radio. And your argument would be…you can afford the car what’s the big deal about the sub for radio . Oh, and you have to buy a dozen volume knobs a year too because they wear out and you can’t use the radio without them.
@@KyleS860 I understand your point and as I said, I dislike this move towards subscriptions too. I think you have misrepresented what I said though, I am not saying if you can afford it, then pay the sub, and stop complaining, regardless of the value of the item in question. But I am saying that the MLM2 is so good in terms of accuracy that for a very low purchase price you have something that gives performance equal to launch monitors costing 10 or more times more! If I had the connection issues that Joe and others report it would be a different matter, but since the software update I am having zero connection issues. This makes the MLM2 a great value option IMO.
@@PauloG100 sorry, didn’t mean to misrepresent. I’m one of the people with endless issues, so I guess I’m a bit overly sensitive. For me spending 8k on a GC3, with no sub or ball requirements, better software, and fewer issues is a toss up at this point.
Hey Paulo so it all depends on how much you use the unit the balls can get chewed up quite quickly if you hit a lot of wedges where better players are going to spend a lot of time. So for me the subscription model unfortunately seems to be the way a lot of companies are going now. I get it from a business point of view.. but I definitely think it's something to highlight for buyers. I think the issue a lot of people have is what are you getting from the subscription.. it's not really value adding to the device if that makes sense. So with the R10 you have the device and then if you want to add the subscription you get home tee hero and the weekly tournaments. So they aren't really restricting anything without the subscription. With the MLM2PRO it's a forced subscription because without it you lose vital data like spin and spin axis. So you're essentially paying to use the device instead of paying for extra value like with the R10. Fingers crossed they can sort out the issues with the device 🤞🤞 it has amazing potential.
So I was having major issues with connecting my MLM2PRO to my router / modem.. the only way I could get a stable connection was to use my pixel and hotspot. I've now fixed this with a Wi-Fi extender that I use in my garage so now back to using my home Wi-Fi. How's a connection method through my Wi-Fi extender and I've had zero issues with connection. Cheers
Hey Michael yes it does however one thing to be aware of is that the licence you get for e6 free with the Garmin is an iOS licence so unless you have an iOS device you won't be able to use the 5 free e6 courses and driving ranges. However yes the Garmin app works great in Android Cheers
Hey mate they did miss one of my emails as well. I had to send them another one a few days later. I think they are definitely learning now how big this market is and tbh I think they were a bit underprepared for how many units and the demand for this product. They are starting to put out consistent updates now with improvements.. I think they were chasing their tail there for a bit! Hopefully now things will start to calm down and they will have more time. Is there anything the community can help out with or is it hardware related? Also Justin from Rapsodo is quite responsive on the Facebook group I don't know if you have tried that way of contacting them. Cheers
Hey mate I have been talking to one of their reps via email and have been experiencing a lot of issues like other people. I have been told it's not the unit so will just have to wait for some software updates unfortunately. It is performing a lot better now though since I'm using a hotspot network and the wifi connection method. Cheers
Joe, another great video and completely agree. If Garmin could figure out a way to give side spin data more accurately to solidify shot shape it would also make folks thinking about spending $3000 on other launch monitors think hard. Especially if folks add on the 3rd party putting capability within GS Pro. Now I also wanted to share that someone has released an early version open source GS Pro interface for the Rapsodo MLM2 Pro. If it gets refined to the level the Garmin interface is at currently and if Rapsodo fix their connectivity issues and improve the short chipping algorithm, I think Rapsodo MLM will be King by September. If it gets that far, I’d bet putting will be added too. Rapsodo and the community are capable. Some people may remember the R-Motion. Tons of fun for $300. Between that product learning and the Skytrak development relationship I’m betting the MLM2 Pro will mature and be King. I Think it will divert Skytrak and Mevo+ sales too at that point. Here’s the link to the GS Pro interface for MLM2 Pro development: github.com/rowengb/GSPro-MLM2PRO-OCR/releases/tag/v0.2.0
Hey mate I did see that! Keen to check it out. Yeah I just wonder if Garmin is working on an updated unit! It's been a while now since the R10 was released. Id love to see an R20 with calculated spin axis. This whole segment is in its very early stages and I think in a few years we will have unbelievably accurate launch monitors for home use. It's exciting!!
Appreciate the shout out Joe! I believe these are fighting words for a rematch. And don't worry, I remember taking the L 😂
We will definitely have to do it again some time mate!
Cheers
Thank you for this! I'm in the early stages of building a garage range and this is the first thing I want to nail down.
Thanks mate enjoy the journey! It is so much fun when it's all set up.
You are a patient man 😂
If I had that many disconnects the MLM would be at risk of being my next golf ball haha
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Hahaha 🤣🤣 yes I was getting very frustrated as I seem to be whenever I power up this thing! Lol
Thanks for the video Joe. My video reviews and does a lot of content with the R10. I have been noticing some people have been purchasing the Rapsodo through my links... it must be a pretty darn good advice!
I bought the MLM2PRO, have had it for 3 weeks and connected to the Rapsodo itself practice, combines with no issues, I connected to Awsome golf only once in three weeks. Awsome golf connected only using my iPhone. I could not use my iPad. Sending the unit back due to connections.
Joe is the most legit guy to listen to when it comes to certain golf equipment. No Bias. No BS. Just straight up info that guides you the decision you want to make. He never tries to manipulate you.
Thanks mate I really appreciate that! 🙏 I like to feel that I give just an honest user's perspective on the products I test.
Pushed me over the edge to buy the R10 appreciate all the effort you put into this video
Thanks mate I really appreciate that! They are both fantastic products and the R10 still to this day is a great device. Yes us struggles with spin axis especially with the driver but overall it's really good.
Fantastic video! I was looking to buy one of these two. You made me make up my mind. It is the R10 for what I'm looking for. Thank you!
Thanks mate! You can now connect the MLM2PRO to GS Pro if that's was a big influence on your choice. You will not be disappointed with the R10 it's a great unit.
Thanks Joe, your videos are great. Both highly informative and entertaining. As a Garmin R10 owner for about a year I initially thought the MLM2 was going to be a far superior product and make the R10 obsolete. I couldn't have been more wrong. Apart from the spin axis not being as accurate everything else about the R10 is fantastic. All the faults with the MLM2 have been painful to watch and in reality all it offers is a pretty bland driving range experience that requires the ridiculously expensive RPT balls. Sure the R10 works better with the RCT balls but it also works Ok with normal balls and the RCT balls, whilst not cheap, are half the price of the RPT balls. I really thought I would eventually 'upgrade' to the MLM2 but I'm thinking I'll definitely stick with the Garmin and eventually upgrade when they release the Garmin R20. 😂
I mainly use my R10 at the range or in a net setup at my club and both experiences are equally enjoyable. There are two ranges that I mainly go to and they have very different quality range balls. One the balls fly much shorter. e.g. if I'm hitting my 140 club the balls only seem to carry approximately 120 but I have found by setting the altitude to approximately 2,000m I get distances closer to what I would expect and they have Trackman in every bay and the Garmin is pretty close. At my home course outdoor range the balls seem to fly normal distance so no need to tamper with the altitude. Unless I want to pretend I'm Bryson DeChambeau and hit my 7 iron 220! 😂
Thanks again for the great content. 👍
Love it mate! Thanks for that comment and I agree with everything you said. I think the Garmin gets negative comments because it estimates a lot of things. But truth be told those estimations are still within 1 or 2 degrees tolerance. I think the Garmin is a fantastic unit and I'm excited and really hoping Garmin is working on the next version.
“Apart from the spin axis not being as accurate…” - to me, that just trumps everything else. Spin axis is critical to accurate shot shape; without it, can’t rely on the results. I had the R10 and it was really frustrating in that regard. So MLM2 wins hands down for me.
But to each their own.
R10 for sure has a more polished app than the MLM2. If Garmin comes out with a device that can accurately measure spin axis - maybe the R20? -I’ll for sure consider it.
On a budget? Get your sim going with a Garmin and awesome golf then upgrade later. You won’t loose as much on the Garmin. Money not a problem- go the mevo+ or skytrack or better
This video was incredibly helpful in making my decision for what launch monitor is best for me right now.
Thanks mate I love this message. It is exactly what I was trying to do 😃.
Cheers
Look I was sold on the MLM2 and sold my R10 to get one, then discovered how unbelievably rubbish the MLM2 is and sent that back for a full refund and re-bought the R10. That tells you everything 🎉🎉🎉🎉
It has definitely not been the smoothest start to the MLM2PRO. I think it's heading in the right direction but still has a LOOONG way to go!!!! I don't blame you if it was my only device I would have sold it or returned it a long time ago.
I can’t disagree more. The R10 is a a toy. If you hit any type of shot shape with the R10 it doesn’t read it properly and is giving you a educated guess.. for example a push draw will show a straight push on the r10 every single time. Although the MLM2 Pro has some connection issues with third party apps, the device itself as well as the app are incredible.
@@DanC1515 You gotta give the R10 a bit of credit it really started the segment. It really pushed the market and gave your average golfer a launch monitor that is pretty accurate! Yes I agree the shot shape is not right 100 percent of the time and the unit can't read gear effect so it is never going to be great with woods or drivers. I have done videos on this... However you get a really good simulation golf experience and it gets you practicing at home. I totally agree the MLM2PRO is a step up in hardware and I LOVE the calculated spin axis indoors. That is genius... However the app is extremely buggy and it needs a lot of work to get it to being a smooth good user experience for everyone. I do think it will get there though.. it will just take time.
@@DanC1515 r10 using awesome golf ? As compared to the rapsodo ? Nah the r10 at 40% of the cost is a heaps better option
Great video - I recently got the MLM2 been very happy with it. My connection issues have not been bad, much easier with Wi-Fi internet connection when available. I have noticed when I am indoors or outdoors hitting into the net and choose Rapsodo ball my yardages were 15-20 yards off each club except for wedges. If I choose premium ball it’s fine. No Landscape mode in simulation is very lame also can’t add another player. However Awesome Golf app is great with it just got it and you were spot on. Thanks for detailed video!
Good to hear about the connection issues mate. That's interesting I haven't experienced big yardage discrepancies. Maybe a few yards but I haven't really done a lot of in-depth testing with carry distances yet. It's definitely something I'll do though with the different apps. For me Awesome golf is the best app for iOS in terms of accuracy for both the Garmin and Rapsodo.
Amazing video that answers most of what i looked for. The Rapsodo is basically at least twice, if not three times expensive, in use if you want the spin and be able to play courses on third party apps. And it disconnects at least once every five minutes, and on top of that, have a pretty useless app, that gets even more shafted if you do not pay $200 us a year and $85 per dozen of balls, which you may not even use in real life.
I'm definitely going to have to do an updated version of this video! There have definitely been a lot of software updates and just troubleshooting from myself that has fixed a lot of the issues with the Rapsodo. Right now if it's my money there's no question which one I'm buying... the MLM2PRO. That's because I really value that accurate spin axis indoors and now there is the amazing GS Pro connector. That being said there is still a use case for the Garmin! It's still a fantastic device and there are still a lot of pros to having the Garmin.
@@JLagGOLFsoftware update. Did they stop hiding features behind a paywall?
Great video Joe, you pretty much covered everything, I’m happy to stick with my R10 for now, it’s not perfect but for my level of skill it gets me swinging my clubs every day, I use Awesome Golf with it and can play their courses which are very enjoyable. Even if I was buying for the first time now I would still pick the R10, I feel Rapsodo is way too expensive for a sub 1k launch monitor, the fees of $300 bucks a year feel more like I’m renting the unit not buying it, at least with the stickers the balls are taken out of play, seems there trying to scalp us at every turn, what’s to stop them upping the yearly fees, they can just disable your device anytime they want, I really don’t like to be stood over like that, if Garmin doesn’t come up with a more advanced unit in time I will get the Sky Track, it’s more expensive but at least I won’t be paying a ransom to a company to use something I paid a $1000 bucks for, just my thoughts.cheers mate
Thanks Ken! The R10 and Awesome Golf is the best combo for iOS and data accuracy. They really have the software dialed in perfectly!
Yeah that's a good way of putting it renting the unit.. it's really annoying but a lot of companies are doing this model now including skytrak. That's what's so good about the old foresight GC2.. no subscription fees and amazing data accuracy.
What’s the price for a 2nd hand GC2?
@@10KenHall Around $4-4500 AUD.. the thing is trying to find one in Australia and then there are also a few things to look out for. There are a few available on the SGT discord page. There is a guy selling his at the moment for $2800 USD and he is a really reputable guy and that also comes with spare flashes (GC2 uses flashes).
Thanks Joe, that’s a really viable alternative
I went with the Garmin R10 because I refuse to pay a monthly or annual subscription. I paid $299 for Awesome Golf with a lifetime subscription.
The R10 is a really solid unit! I feel you on those subscription fees..... Does my head in but unfortunately that's the way of the world now. I think a lot of these companies have realised is it's not really about the hardware where they make their money. Yes they'll make their money initially on the actual hardware but if you can get people to keep paying subscription fees that's where you can really make a lot of money 😭. Which obviously for us as end users we have to take the hit! The old saying you got to pay to play.
Well done Joe many people want to know if the R10 is still relevant, I just subscribed to your channel.
Hey mate the R10 is still a great product! There is definitely still a buyer for it. For me and my money between the MLM2PRO and R10 I'm going MLM2PRO. My recent video comparing the R10 to the Uneekor eye mini definitely shows the R10 is still a great unit... you just need to be aware of its limitations.
Cheers
Hi there. Re your disconnection issues. I have found since the last update I have had no disconnection issues. The only time I do get disconnection is when I take my phone (which I'm using) to far away from the mlm pro. I've played courses with awesome golf, then practice with it's own app continuous with no connection issues. The only problem I get is when my phone goes flat. When using the practice for chipping, it's read each and every chip/direction exactly right. I've only practiced between 5m and 20m and each time it's accurate. This is all outside using a net and old premium balls to. So yeah, my experience with it now after updates is a positive one. So a couple of things to remember, keep your device close to the mlm2pro all the time and for better reading accuracy and less miss reads make sure if using indoors there is plenty of light for the camera to see the ball spinning properly. I mean, would you drive your car at night with your sunglasses on😊. Great device and I'd fully recommend it. Regards David from Perth. The home of Ron Chopper😂
Hey David I think the connection issues are slowly getting better and I'm starting to think it might have something to do with the device people are running it on. I use an iPad pro and it's not a great experience. I have played with my iPad in the holder of the MLM2PRO and it has no bearing on connectivity.. my iPad where I put it is only around 5-6 feet from my unit so if it can't connect that far there are bigger issues here 🤣🤣. Yes the longer chip shots will register however if you try doing some basic bump and run shots I would be really interested to see if your unit picks them up. Anything that lands say 6 - 12 feet doesn't register. The issue with this is when you inevitably leave yourself a short sided chip shot while playing simulated golf on e6 for example you are going to have to hit it past the hole as it won't register the short chip shots and then you will make a bogey instead of a par. I have shown in multiple videos with lights completely on and off I still get the same results. I spoke with justin from Rapsodo directly about this and he said I have ample light in my setting. I think it's just early days for this product and I think it will get better but for me at this point it's more of a full swing practice unit than something to use for home Sim golf. And it is amazing at that! The data is great.
Also I love Perth it's such a beautiful place! I used to live in Hillary's as a kid.. I remember playing one of my favorite courses to this day Carramar golf course! Such a good track and tough as well.
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Hi and thanks for that in-depth reply. It sounds like it's iPad issues maybe? Maybe not as compatible as Android? Which in itself is unusual as I think being a American product, it would of been developed around iOS? I'll be happy when I can finally connect my PC laptop directly. I believe the updates are on their way? Currently to connect my PC I use Dex to connect via my Samsung phone (which is leaning against the Rapsodo. That way I can have my large laptop screen right in front of me (connected via Bluetooth to my phone). I have no issues of loss connections etc. Other than either my phone or laptop battery going flat first🤪. For your reference, I'll try doing 6ft chips tomorrow ok and let you know the results.
Regards David
@@David-ec1hs Yes! That's the odd thing... I would have thought the iPad would have been the most stable of all devices. It's strange and maybe it is my actual unit.. I look forward to hearing back about your short chip shots! Also Ron Chopper is the man 🤣 his early videos were my life for a while when I worked in a pro shop.
@@JLagGOLF
Hi Joe. Done some little chips with my Mizuno T22 58deg C grind today. Got a few in the mid 2.5m carry range. One actually recorded 2.0m 😱. The spin rate was 1919rpm , ball speed was 12.1 mph. But basically anything below 2.5m, forget it! Seems 3m and over record nearly everytime. The mlm2pro was placed about 6ft 10inch behind (2.1m) from where the hitting area was. I had a tape measure to see how accurate it was and it seemed to be within a few 100mm, so pretty good. Tho with my game I tend to measure things in 10s of metres 😁. Have got some screen shots if you want? Regards David
@@David-ec1hs Yeah that checks out with what I'm seeing! Thanks for doing that it's always good to get that data from another person.
Great video, Joe! I have both units and my experience has been nearly identical to yours for the MLM2PRO issues. I will say that the only consistent connection that I have had with it is when using a direct Bluetooth (not wifi) connection from Awesome Golf. Once connected that way, I can play until the battery on the MLM2PRO dies.Wifi has never worked consistently.
Also, there are some issues with the R10 misreading shots with a low HLA (especially chips) when using RCT balls. You're a good ball striker, so you don't see it!
Hey Herb I'm literally the exact same! Awesome Golf is stable!! It's never missed a beat which is just odd 🤣. Even connecting to awesome golf I've never had an issue.
So I never use the RCT balls when I'm chipping as I've found I just get some odd misreads.
From what i got with this video is just bite the bullet and spend the extra $900 and get the skytrak + or mevo!
Hahaha well look it all depends on what you want out of the device. If you have the money then yes those devices are fantastic but even those have limitations that you need to be aware of. I'd love to get my hands on the new skytrak plus and see how it goes.. maybe one day 🤞🤞
Great video Joe, im just setting up my home sim, and not that concerned about data, more about the ability to play courses, so this was perfect!
Nice! Glad it helped mate. Just so you are aware there is a way to connect the MLM2PRO up to GS Pro so definitely factor that in to your decision. Your still obviously have the subscription costs that you wont have with the Garmin.
Joe you would be a perfect ambassador for both companies.
Thanks Donald 🙏
Also what a great video.
Accurately wraps up both units and condenses the info down to a palatable level.
Maybe the ideal situation currently is to buy both units?
The rapsodo has the accuracy but at a higher outlay and high ongoing cost.
If the unit had no connection issues, an updated range and good courses with landscape, elevation and better physics then it would instantly be worth the money.
3rd party connections would then be a complete bonus and a value add.
The main issue is all theabove suggestions don't seem to exist yet and the 3rd party options are limited or have connection issues or bugs (like no spin axis in E6 connect)
Im still waiting and will continue to wait before i buy as i really really value the accuracy over anything else but cant justify those costs for a unit with issues...
Thanks for the vid ❤
Thanks mate! So I'm happy to report e6 has been fixed with an update and is working. I'll have a video out in the next few days.
But yes you hit the nail on the head.. there are a lot of things they need to improve. The list is HUGE! I wouldn't recommend buying both.. I think if you're considering that then it would probably be better to save a bit more and get a skytrak+ or even better a used GC2 even though they are hard to find. The advantage of those as well as it opens up putting which now you have proper Sim golf!
Great vid mate! This one feels like combination of at least 6mths of testing and work.!
Thanks mate! Yes absolutely I've wanted to make it for a while but really wanted to get to know the MLM2PRO and give it a chance before finally putting it out there.
Cheers
Another great video, thanks for the in depth analysis, Joe.
Can I ask, do either the MLM2Pro or R10 calculate (or measure) side-spin, and do we know how this impacts the ball flight and distances? The reason I'm asking, David Maxfield put up a video about E6 and MLM, and had a little snipper that pointed to the spin axis bug. The snippet also noted that side spin wasn't being determined correctly, either, and that there was no timetable to fix that. I'm wondering how that would impact the E6 experience and whether one device should do side spin better than the other (you would think this would be MLM2Pro given the camera and RCT balls).
Hey Graeme thanks for that mate! So good news the e6 and the spin axis bug is fixed. I'll have a video out soon 🤞🤞. The Rapsodo does calculate the spin axis which is the massive selling point for it. The Garmin estimates it and it does a very good job at this however it isn't going to be correct 100 percent of the time.
@@JLagGOLF Thanks, Joe! That's a great sign. I was at my club today and couldn't get the connection to work with E6, so was unable to test it out. Is there a firmware update that I might have missed? I'll double check.
Sorry I didn't specify, but do you know any thing about "side spin" as opposed to "spin axis" by any chance? Are these two different things?
-Graeme
Another great video. Thank you for your honest opinion. I have the Rapsodo and I guess I'll stick out. I hope it gets better !!
Hey Dennis the positive thing is a lot of these cons can be fixed with updates and you never know a community built GS Pro connector could still come out. I know there are people working on it.
Hi Joe. Just incase you don't know, I have just had an update for my mlm2pro. It's now running 3.0.0.
Regards David
Hey David yes thanks these videos were made with that version. I'm hoping they do another update soon 🤣
Great vid Joe.
Still enjoying my Farmin R10. Hoping to see if there is a way for the ST2 to work with. GS pro as I am considering going that route.
All the best.
Lee.
Hey Lee the original skytrak works with it so I'm sure the community is already working on connecting the new one. I'd love to test the new skytrak it looks like a great unit! The original was looooong overdue for an update.
@@JLagGOLF Hi
Joe From the reviews the SG 2 seems awesome.
Thx again for the awesome videos.
Awesome job jo👌 looks I'm definitely buying a second r10😂
i sold the first one way to early out of frustration and sunce been waiting on the mlm 2pro to come good🙄
i would really love to work on shot shape but the simulator experience is number one priority so the whole household and friends can enjoy it as well.
Again, thankyou for the honest review.
Thanks Kevin! Appreciate the comment. Yes right now the R10 is working great 👍 like it said the only real flaw is sometimes it doesn't get shot shape in particular with driver. Other than that it's a really solid reliable little unit.
The MLM2PRO will get there I'm very confident of that but it will take time. Since this video it has now got a connector to GS Pro and it works great! The other good news is Justin from Rapsodo told me that they are aware of the chipping issues and they are working on that now. It will take a little bit of time but I'm sure the MLM2PRO we'll get there. Just like it took the r10 a little bit of time.
Cheers
Im so glad i bought a skytrak second hand, i paid £100 more than the rrp of the mlm2 pro.
The mlm2pro has tons of potential but the i don't trust rapsodo will unlock the potential
Yeah Garry that’s a massive win. And the thing is with skytrak you have putting so it opens up all those additional events with the SGT and also playing others online.
At 10:42 you have driver selected but are hitting a wedge. Is that the reason the data isn’t showing? I know this is old but…
Great in depth review of the 2 units. It'd be interesting to get your thoughts on the Swing Caddie SC4 in comparison to both these units.
Thanks Tim! I'd love to test the Swing Caddie SC4.. I have reached out to them multiple times but unfortunately I haven't heard anything back. I'll keep trying but I think my channel and influence isn't big enough to be on their radar.
Cheers
Hey guys, have they added landscape yet @Joe
Not yet mate. Still have the same where 80 percent is portrait including the Rapsodo courses and then you can choose landscape for the practice range mode and also the Rapsodo range.
I have lost confidence in the Rapsodo mlm2pro. E6 us a total bust, distance with all clubs are totally off
That's strange I find all the distances with each app to be really good in terms of carry distance. I haven't seen much difference between them all tbh however I will need to do some in-depth testing on this. I just don't like the recent disconnects with the new beta... Bringing back bad memories
Very informative video. Quick question, this is the initial launch MLM2, the Garmin has been on the market for a few years, did it have similar issues when it first launch?
If so, then I would expect the MLM2 to fix the issues with a 2024 software update!
Hey Scott there were issues with the Garmin R10 but nothing like what we are seeing with the MLM2PRO. Most of the issues with the Garmin R10 were algorithm issues with the estimated spin. The chipping has also improved a lot since launch. I definitely think there is an element of that with the MLM2PRO but these disconnections and the instability a lot of people are having are far beyond anything we saw from the R10. I do think it will improve with time and I have my fingers crossed 🤞🤞
I hope you can thoughts on the skytrack I realise it's a bit more expensive. It wish we could get the bushnell launch pro in Australia I would buy it tomorrow
Mate I'd be all over the Bushnell launch pro as well! Even with the subscription costs. They are also selling the GC3 in America and the UK as a ball only data unit! So it's basically an updated GC2.. and then you can also in the future pay an additional fee to unlock club data. I wish we had these options here in Australia. Again we seem to get screwed on things like this 😭.
I can't really comment on Skytrak as I have never used it.. I would love to try the new skytrak + and have reached out to them.
@@JLagGOLF I hope you get your hands on the skytrack plus soon
Neither! I've come to terms with it
No doubt the the budget range has improved over the years to be more accessible for the home/amatuer user
But I still can't justify spending close to 1k on technology that I believe can be improved alot more
You are right there isn't an absolute perfect solution yet for the budget user but they are insanely good now. The MLM2PROs data is comparable to GC QUAD which is just mind-blowing. I feel like we are at the iPhone 4g stage at the moment if that makes sense! Keen to see what Garmin is working on.
Cheers
@JLagGOLF 1) do you know if rapsodo have acknowledged & comitted to fixing the MLM connection and chipping issues ? 2) do you know if there is a “R20” or so version of the Garmin in the works that may be a step up from the R10 that would measure spin axis?
Hey Stewart so I know they have acknowledged the disconnection issues and are working to try and fix them for everyone. As for the chipping I haven't heard anything from them and I have no idea if they are trying to make the unit better in that regard... They could turn around and say that's what chipping is like and just not address it. I don't think they will.. I believe that the chipping experience will get better. I have a very small channel so I don't even know if they watch my videos or if I'm even on their radar (I highly doubt I am). I would love to work with them to make the product a better experience for everyone.
As far as Garmin and the next launch monitor no I haven't heard a peep. Garmin can go either way.. they could be working on a gen 2 product or they might not be it's really hard to tell with them. They have so many products out in different categories and some of them only have follow up products and some don't. I don't think we will hear about the R20 until it's released! But I have my fingers crossed.
@@JLagGOLF thankyou mate. Unfortunately - im sure i am the same as many others wanting the reliability of the r10 for the rapsodo with the spin axis and video functions.. cheers
Great video Joe.
Great video.
Do you have waggle problem on MLM2PRO?
Before the shot, I have to stop completely. If I move a little, my R10 often can't read my shot.
How about MLM2Pro?
Thank you.
Hey mate so no the Rapsodo isn't as sensitive with club waggles. However that being said I think this is why it isn't as good as chipping because the radar isn't as sensitive. I believe if they adjusted the sensitivity of the radar to better pick up chip shots it would then be the same as the R10 in terms of club waggles.
Thank you very much for your explain!
I use the R10 with bluetooth direct connection to GSPro. No phone is needed works great.
Yes this is just amazing... I love it.. it turns the R10 into a very powerful and fun device. It's amazing how much software can enhance a device. I'm hoping that the Rapsodo will eventually get a GS Pro connection 🤞🤞
@@JLagGOLF You and me both. That would make the MLM2 a game changer.
@@nbargolf so there is some news on that front… someone might have found a way. It’s not that elegant but it works apparently
Great video. I think the mlm2pro will ultimately win out but it may take some time while they work through all the issues. Has the shot shape issue been fixed with e6 and the MLM2PRO?
E6 has a new update that fixes the shot shape
So I want to believe that yes the Rapsodo will eventually win out.. but I'm not sure. They have now done 3 updates on the connection issues and I thought they were gone but they aren't. I have fingers crossed that it will eventually live up to what we thought it wasn't going to be.
Yes apparently e6 has been fixed I'm testing that today! If I can get connected 🤣😭
I am wondering if it’s a chip (hardware issue) as opposed to software. They need to switch manufactures on the WiFi/Bluetooth module.
By the time Rapsodo fixes all bugs, a new unit will hit market and be better. Garmin R12??
So you need a rapsodo subscription still if you have gspro? Why can’t they use the practice range?
Yes unfortunately you still need the Rapsodo subscription because you need the Rapsodo range to get spin and spin axis. Without those two metrics you can't give GS Pro the data it needs to get the shot shape
@@JLagGOLF you can get the spin in the practice range tho
@@thedayhayfilms It's really vital to get the spin axis or the shot will just go dead straight and won't be represent what is actually happening. If you were going to do that tbh you would be better off with the R10 at least that gets it right most of the time.
@@JLagGOLF you can get the spin axis tho… am I missing something?
@@JLagGOLF ruclips.net/video/-W3tzu48Ad0/видео.htmlsi=FbwJI4pwhdM1d6R_
Great video, thanks! I’ve actually been leaning Rhapsodo until watching this and think I might do the R10 now.
My only concern is the side spin and shot shaping. I’ve been working on my slice with my driver and longer clubs and don’t want to think I’m hitting straight just to get on the course and sail it right every time. Is there a combination of metrics you can look at in the R10 to signify it would’ve sliced even if it shows up as straight?
Hey mate definitely check out my three most recent videos on my channel. Someone has actually made a connector for GS Pro now for the Rapsodo! Which tbh is a game changer. I have also emailed Rapsodo asking them about chipping and other things and they have been following my videos and are working on the chipping. So I have faith that the chipping will get resolved. If I was personally going to spend my money now I would get the Rapsodo.. yes there are subscription fees each year and yes you need to use the RPT balls or balls with dots on but for me personally (and I think you will be in the same boat) I love that with the Rapsodo I can hit balls and never be second guessing the ball flight. That's where I'm at currently.. yes there are still some advantages to the r10 like no subscription fees and chipping (currently).
In terms of a combination of metrics for misreads not really.. the R10 like I've shown in my driver spin axis test it really can't take gear effect into account and this is the biggest downfall. For me if it misses the club data then that's definitely a tell because the unit will just take the HLA (horizontal launch angle) and go dead straight.
I think if you're really after something to work on shot shape then between R10 and Rapsodo MLM2PRO it's definitely the MLM2PRO you want.
Hope that helps!
Cheers
@@JLagGOLF thanks for such a thorough reply, appreciate it! I’ll decently be checking out those other videos, but this was really helpful (although my wallet may not agree lol)
@@BBQBeefBoiI definitely feel you with that mate. But if you think about it this way... To go hit a bucket of balls is $15 so after 6 months it will pay for itself 🤣🤣
Anyone know if the disconnection issues have been resolved as of 2/2024?
If not this is a no go for sure.
Hey mate they were resolved for me for the past 6 months! But then the recent beta update started them again. Check out my latest video on it. I'll be giving my feedback to Rapsodo and hopefully they don't release the beta version in its current state 😂
ruclips.net/video/fA4PnJClskI/видео.htmlsi=7UWWzFt9qHwAuKal
Hey joe. All your videos are very helpful U were saying the rct ball will not pick certain things with wedges ?? Why is that. Thx
Hey mate thanks for that! Yes so unfortunately when using the RCT balls with the wedges it doesn't register the club data. I'm not sure why but it's very common. It's been like that ever since they introduced the RCT balls and we haven't had an update to fix this.
Ok, so what do you recommend for someone who will be doing primarily practice outside on the driving range with the occasional use of games and/or sim within practice sessions to liven it up? But never indoors.
Hey mate I would recommend the MLM2PRO and the only reason is outside on the range it's fantastic. The cameras are really great as well and the shot tracer is very accurate. You could then get Awesome Golf and you would have a nice little outside monitor with the 4 9 holes courses and games. The only issues you might have are:
1) The distances might come up a little short if you're hitting range balls.
2) no club path or face data
Having said that you can use the 240fps camera to see your club through impact.
Cheers
Hello! I don't see the guy you said you were going to link in the description that you beat in a challenge using the garmin R10. Can someone please comment that link? I tried looking the guy up but it's hard as an American to understand the Aussie Accent 😅
Hey mate sorry about that I've added it. And also here is the link!
youtube.com/@HoselRocketGolf
Cheers
Can you also test swing caddie sc4? It is now available in Australia and is sub AU$1000.
Hey mate I would LOVE to get my hands on one. I have reached out to them multiple times and have heard nothing from them unfortunately 😭
Great in depth video mate, very informative and i really appreciate the effort. Just wondering, to date have the issues regarding connection problems with the mlm2pro been resolved via updates? Currently tossing up between the two units but considering I solely intend to use predominantly as a Sim and the mlm2pro being riddled with connectivity issues, I'm heavily leaning towards the r10
Thanks mate I appreciate that! So with connectivity quick answer for me yes.. since this video Rapsodo has come out with a new quick connect method which is absolutely fantastic! It's now a lot easier to connect. If it occasionally does disconnect it generally reconnects by itself which again is a massive pro. I have found that it doesn't for whatever reason like my router! So I have a wifi extender in my garage now that I connect my iPad and MLM2PRO up to and use the home wifi method and I have had zero disconnects using the Rapsodo app! It's solid. I also dont have any issues using the 3rd party apps as they have also been updated and fixed. I never struggled with awesome golf that was always solid but e6 was very hit and miss.. I'm happy to say now for me it works great. I do get a fair few no reads using e6 though which is random.
There are still some users having difficulties with e6 and connecting it up.
If I was going to choose now between them for me building a Sim there's no doubt I'd be getting the MLM2PRO just for the accurate ball flight!
I think the Garmin still has its place being really an ultra affordable unit and it connects a lot better to GS Pro as well being able to directly connect but for me I really value the MLM2PRO data and ball flight accuracy.
Hope that helps.
Cheers
One reviewer said he uses a dedicated IP on his home network and that resolved connectivity issues with Rapsodo. Glad you responded to his question Joe, I’ll probably buy it now. Btw, great review, very thorough.
Buy either the R10/Awesome Golf or the new Skytrak+.
The R10 and Awesome Golf is a really great combo! If you are after dialing in yardages and working on your game you get all the club data to do it... Fantastic combo.
I haven't used the skytrak + but again you're dealing with subscription costs. Everything I've seen the skytrak is an amazing device.. I'd love to give it a go!
@@JLagGOLF - I love my Skytrak+. It reads white Sci-Core practice balls just fine, sits a few centimeters to the side of the tee, & only requires a few centimeters of ball flight. It saves a ton of space.
I’m keeping my R10/Awesome Golf combo as a backup unit, & because it’s eminently portable. But Skytrak+ is now my primary launch monitor, & the Skytrak range & stats work very well on iPad/iPhone.
No subscription cost is incurred to use the Skytrak range & stats software. It’s required for saving historical shot statistics on the Skytrak Web portal, for bag mapping (IIRC), & to use Skytrak+ with E6.
Great video, are you sponsored by Garmin🤣 I am off scratch and wanting a device which can improve my wedging (playing games) so carry is essential as well as path. Would you recommend this? I am using outdoor during summer, not indoor. My mate has a garmin and he said the same as you, the carry is always 5/10 yards short but would the awesome app sort this out? Thanks
Hey mate I wish I was 🤣🤣. No I'm not sponsored or endorsed by any of these companies.. that's why I speak freely and say it as it is with all of them! I do have an affiliate link for the Rapsodo so if you purchase it through that link the channel gets a kickback but honestly I couldn't care less if people use it 😂. My channel has always been to give my honest review and experience... not another fake sponsored RUclips video. For me if I was you I'd be getting the MLM2PRO as all the data is absolutely spot on and so is shot shape outdoors and more importantly indoors! But it doesn't give you one of your data points you want being club path. The Garmin is a fantastic unit however you really need to be diligent with lining it up correctly! And yes Awesome Golf will sort the carry Yardages out! It's great software and the coaching section of the application is still my favourite practice area with the way they layout all the data. I know Rapsodo has some things planned for release (software updates) at the PGA show so if you can hang out until then it might change your mind. I have no idea what they are... They wouldn't tell me 😭 but they said that they were excited about it.
Hope that helps
Cheers
@@JLagGOLF thank you mate, appreciate the honesty! Your content is great by the way. Do you think the MLM will eventually have path on it as an additional package like the mevo? Also, wood I need fhe balls and isn’t there a subscription fee? With it being cold and wet, I’ll only get to use for 6 months in summer. I do like the Garmin so you’re saying if it’s lined up correctly then it’s accurate enough? Thanks dude
Just curious, if you had the money or option to get a older Skytrak for around double the price of an R10, would you have rather went with that as your launch monitor or would you still have went with the R10? I am just starting and cannot decide which way to go. I think I can get an older Skytrak for $1200. I know it's more money, but for $600 more, would I be getting a much better setup for Sim Golf. I will mainly be using it to play GSPro and not for practice, so maybe the Skytrak is overkill. Plus, I don't know what software Skytrak supports, I suppose you can play GSPro with it. I might be better off getting the Garmin and just saving the extra cash for a better Projector or Gaming Laptop. Love your channel, and thanks in advance for advice.
Thanks mate! So the Garmin works great for Sim golf and GS Pro connection. You can connect the skytrak to GS Pro and I haven't used it but everything I've heard works great. The thing I really don't like with skytrak and the reason I didn't buy the original was the shot lag... The lag between impact and the ball flight just drive me mad 🤣. Having said that the skytrak would absolutely be better than the r10 for a Sim experience. Honestly the putting in GS Pro is fantastic and having a unit that gives you putting all within the unit is a massive advantage. I don't know your budget but for me a used GC2 is the best "budget" (yes it is a bit more expensive) device you can get. It's a big step up from skytrak and it doesn't have any subscription fees. Because a lot of the old GS Pro users had them as well they integrate really well with it. If you get the R10 you will definitely upgrade in the future but that's not a bad thing.. it's what I did and a lot of other people do.
So, during your video, you mentioned multiple times about having a gaming laptop to run the programs. This may be a dumb question, but if I have a gaming PC set up, can I do the same thing or is there a reason and needs to be a laptop?
Hey Doug no a gaming PC is actually better as you can upgrade / replace parts. I just mention the laptop as that's what I run at the moment. Good pick up!
Cheers
So frustrating with Garmin and connecting to Bluetooth. I have followed everything and still cannot connect via Bluetooth to windows 11 pro. The R10 shows up but never connects or allows to force a connection. Now I have wasted money on GSPro that will not work. Waste of time and money
Hey Andy have you gone through all the troubleshooting steps? ruclips.net/video/JkW7XN6kHKY/видео.htmlsi=VyxrLLaFc76G9nm8
If you have and still can't get it working I highly recommend joining the Facebook group and take pictures and show us what it's doing that way we can help to get it working.
Search for Joe Lagowski Golf on Facebook
Do the 5 free E6 courses only come as a trial with the MLM2 subscription or are they included for the life of the subscription?
Hey mate they are for life! As long as you have a Rapsodo premium subscription.
Hey Joe! Apologies in advance for the long comment. I realize im about 4 months late to the party but 4 months ago Id never even played a real round of golf. But here I am now, in love with the sport and wanting to dump my wallet into it to practice and get better. That being said, I read a lot of the previous comments and I saw that more recently you were recommending the MLM2 Pro more and more for most people. I have 2 questions. Whats the connection like at the range? And forgive me if you said this, does the Pro have the option for the GS Pro courses? Whichever I get I want the option to do both simulations/training and taking it to the range. I love the data the pro gives but I dont want to be disconnected every 5 minutes.
Hey mate, it's amazing how this sport grabs us and we get addicted! So Rapsodo has done a lot of work with the connection issues and I'm up to a point now where I don't have any connection issues in my home or outside. I'm outside. I'm obviously using the direct connection method where the Rapsodo emits its own Wi-Fi signal and you connect your phone up to that. At home I found that using a Wi-Fi extender has completely fixed my connection issues. In saying that I did have a random disconnect the other day when I was playing awesome golf but you can have disconnects with any unit now. This unit is amazing at the range as well because you get a shot tracer which is really cool. And the distances I was getting at the range were actually legit compared to what I get at home because it has a range ball mode. It must just add 10% on or something to the total or carry yardage.
You can hook the MLM 2 Pro up to GS Pro using Springboks connector and then screen mirroring from your device to your computer. The software essentially takes a screenshot of your data on the air play window and then puts that into GS Pro. It's not the most elegant solution but it works. I know that people with Android phones though are having trouble with the connector working due to the way the actual app displays the information. It's not going to be as easy or reliable as the Garmin R10 connection that directly Bluetooth to your laptop or computer, but at the end of the day at least you know. The ball flight is going to be correct due to the way the MLM 2 Pro can calculate spin axis.
If it was my money I would personally get the MLM 2 Pro. Yes, there'll be a bit more fiddling around getting it connected to GS Pro, but I personally think it's worth it to get the accurate data. Other people who just don't want to have the extra steps or arent computer savvy would probably benefit from getting the Garmin. I do have a lot of people contacting me though saying that are struggling to get the garmin connected and we have to do a bit of troubleshooting. I think anytime you're using something that is an officially supported with a software you're always going to have little issues. But either way you go, you'll be able to get it connected eventually if you really want to.
@JLagGOLF that is probably one of the most in-depth replies I've ever seen for RUclips. I love it. You've got me sold on getting that Rapsodo for sure. I'll be getting that first so I can at least bring it to the range to practice while I spend all the rest of the money building my at home setup. I'm glad I found your channel as I've already watched like 10 other videos. Keep up the great work!
@@chrisokain7705Thanks mate I really appreciate that! Good luck and enjoy it.
Do you have an update you could provide me on if all or some of the difficulties of the MLM2Pro have been resolved? I like the Garmin R10s app that you showed and ease of use but would prefer having the cameras/ accuracy of the Rapsodo.
Does the MLM2pro have GSPro and landscape now? Can you use regular balls with the MLM2Pro?
Also, maybe on the flip side, has the Garmin had and improvement in accuracy or performance overall?
Thanks!
How much would you need to spend on a laptop to run something like gspro? Another great video mate 👍🏼
Also do you need more room for Garmin to operate at its best?
Thanks mate! So you don't need to spend as much as you think. On the GS Pro website it has minimum requirements for what experience you want. But if you were to buy something like this : www.jbhifi.com.au/products/hp-victus-16-fhd-144hz-gaming-laptop-12th-gen-intel-i5-geforce-rtx-3050ti?ab_version=B&gclid=Cj0KCQjwy9-kBhCHARIsAHpBjHgrD-uQbdeYNCMZdfvvAAMS-abclLEAUdbJnVfke_hqR4O2SQseG10aAov-EALw_wcB
You should be able to run GS Pro on medium to high settings at 1080p. I haven't looked at the specs entirely but it has a 3050ti which is a strong card.
Ideally 6ft unit to ball then at least 8ft ball to screen.. I have 10ft ball to screen and I find the longer ball to screen distance the better. That being said I did do a test where I went below the minimum recommended distances and the R10 actually worked pretty well 🤣.
@@JLagGOLF Thanks mate. The only think that is stopping me from purchasing the r10 is spin axis. If you could get accurate spin axis this would be the ultimate.
Also without correct spin axis leads me down the path of tricking me into correcting/changing my swing. This equals danger lol.
How off is spin axis using gs pro with all clubs?
Cheers Joe 👍🏼
Well I want a sub $1k device that excels in what both these units are good at. I’ll wait for the MLMR10Pro unit.
Hahaha this segment of launch monitors is only going to get better and better! It's going to be cool in 5 years from now to see what devices we have. The Garmin started it all and it's just going to get better and better.
This is a fantastic review. So informative and well put together. By far the best I have found for this comparison. Subscribed!
Have the Rapsodo issues subsided/been resolved?
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Thanks for that Stephen! A lot of them have been resolved which is good. For the disconnects I figured out it was my router and now connect up to a wifi extender in my garage and the connection within the Rapsodo app is completely stable with zero disconnects.
The 3rd party apps like e6 and awesome golf still have a bit of trouble with connection especially e6. A lot of people in the community still have trouble staying connected with e6.
Chipping is the biggest thing... Rapsodo has admitted that chipping isn't great and they said they were working on a fix however unfortunately we are still waiting.
We do now have a connector for GS Pro! And it is really quite good.
So overall there is still a bit of work for Rapsodo to do but they are definitely moving in the right direction and best of all they actually listen and respond to the community.
Cheers
@@JLagGOLF Thanks for the great response. I actually watched the connection resolve video today which was good to see - seems they are definitely going in the right direction. Now to find a net as my set up will be external in the garden!
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@@stephenwall2701No worries mate sounds good! Good luck with the set up.
Great video Joe, thanks!
Thanks mate!
Joe what projector would you recommend for a 12ftx8ft ? 6ft of throw distance. I'm going to do the r10 with gspro? Trying to keep it under $1k for the projector
Hey mate so the BenQ TH761ST is a fantastic projector that a lot of people use for golf Sims. It's a short throw projector so doesnt need a lot of space between the screen and the location of the projector. Definitely head to projector central to figure out the mounting location and image size
@@JLagGOLF I think you mean BenQ TH671ST, right? Or if you want to go 4K - BenQ TK700STi
@@KayakFishingAddict Yes! Thankyou TH671ST! Typo
Thanks mate, super insightful.
I use my R10 mostly on the range and during practice rounds on course.
Especially on course using my gaming ball helped me gap my wedges tremendously.
Using three different swings, I can now get 12 different distances anywhere between 15 to 108m, using my 4 wedges.
Anyway, the only problem I have on course is that it almost always estimates my spin rates to be 1000-3500 on my wedges, whereas I know I spin my lobwedge close to 10,000 on full shots, for example. Any ideas how to fix that?
Hey mate that's a fantastic idea gapping on course when it's not busy. Really odd though those estimates spins?? It definitely shouldn't be that low. I would assume it's throwing off the carry yardages? I'm not sure how to fix that tbh I'll try do a bit of digging and see what I can find.
I don't have the R10 so I can't comment on that.
I do have Skytrak and the MLM2.
At the moment I am keeping both but the MLM2 is excellent and I have no connection problems at all.
I have to smile when people get so het up about the annual cost of the MLM2 (after the 1st year). I don't like subscriptions any more than the next guy but come on, if you can afford to play golf, you can afford that small amount each year. Skytrak also has a £100 plus sub each year for the game improvement plan, which is pretty much a must-have, so not much difference there. Then the balls. I have bought a box of 12, plus the 3 that come with the MLM2. I would estimate they will be fine for at least 6 months, so again, it's not a big deal cost-wise.
If someone is serious about improving their game with ultra-accurate numbers then the MLM2 seems to be the best budget option.
Unfortunately for me just being able to afford something isn’t a good enough reason to pay for it. On principle I need to get some value. At the moment it’s like buying a car, and having to pay a subscription to use the radio. And your argument would be…you can afford the car what’s the big deal about the sub for radio . Oh, and you have to buy a dozen volume knobs a year too because they wear out and you can’t use the radio without them.
@@KyleS860 I understand your point and as I said, I dislike this move towards subscriptions too.
I think you have misrepresented what I said though, I am not saying if you can afford it, then pay the sub, and stop complaining, regardless of the value of the item in question.
But I am saying that the MLM2 is so good in terms of accuracy that for a very low purchase price you have something that gives performance equal to launch monitors costing 10 or more times more! If I had the connection issues that Joe and others report it would be a different matter, but since the software update I am having zero connection issues.
This makes the MLM2 a great value option IMO.
@@PauloG100 sorry, didn’t mean to misrepresent. I’m one of the people with endless issues, so I guess I’m a bit overly sensitive. For me spending 8k on a GC3, with no sub or ball requirements, better software, and fewer issues is a toss up at this point.
Hey Paulo so it all depends on how much you use the unit the balls can get chewed up quite quickly if you hit a lot of wedges where better players are going to spend a lot of time. So for me the subscription model unfortunately seems to be the way a lot of companies are going now. I get it from a business point of view.. but I definitely think it's something to highlight for buyers. I think the issue a lot of people have is what are you getting from the subscription.. it's not really value adding to the device if that makes sense. So with the R10 you have the device and then if you want to add the subscription you get home tee hero and the weekly tournaments. So they aren't really restricting anything without the subscription. With the MLM2PRO it's a forced subscription because without it you lose vital data like spin and spin axis. So you're essentially paying to use the device instead of paying for extra value like with the R10. Fingers crossed they can sort out the issues with the device 🤞🤞 it has amazing potential.
Why are you using 5g the whole time will I need cellular data? I thought it used WiFi 😅
So I was having major issues with connecting my MLM2PRO to my router / modem.. the only way I could get a stable connection was to use my pixel and hotspot. I've now fixed this with a Wi-Fi extender that I use in my garage so now back to using my home Wi-Fi. How's a connection method through my Wi-Fi extender and I've had zero issues with connection.
Cheers
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Cheers mate
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No more TPC Sawgrass 😢
I know… I’m sure it will be back.. just a bit of time for them to take out the copy right entities. Hopefully it doesn’t take too long 🤞
Joe!! Get off of 5G and go with 2.4ghz WiFi. It is so much more stable. Hope that helps :)
Hey mate I got it all sorted! Had to get a wifi extender but it has completely fixed my connection issues.
Does the garmin work with android?
Hey Michael yes it does however one thing to be aware of is that the licence you get for e6 free with the Garmin is an iOS licence so unless you have an iOS device you won't be able to use the 5 free e6 courses and driving ranges.
However yes the Garmin app works great in Android
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awesome golf is 349.99
It's dater not darta ;)
gspro is 250yr
Rapsodo tech support team is a joke. They will ignore you and the many many problems with the product. I strongly advise anyone to not buy this!
Hey mate they did miss one of my emails as well. I had to send them another one a few days later. I think they are definitely learning now how big this market is and tbh I think they were a bit underprepared for how many units and the demand for this product. They are starting to put out consistent updates now with improvements.. I think they were chasing their tail there for a bit! Hopefully now things will start to calm down and they will have more time. Is there anything the community can help out with or is it hardware related? Also Justin from Rapsodo is quite responsive on the Facebook group I don't know if you have tried that way of contacting them.
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Maybe contact customer service about your unit before the review lol
Hey mate I have been talking to one of their reps via email and have been experiencing a lot of issues like other people. I have been told it's not the unit so will just have to wait for some software updates unfortunately. It is performing a lot better now though since I'm using a hotspot network and the wifi connection method.
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Joe, another great video and completely agree. If Garmin could figure out a way to give side spin data more accurately to solidify shot shape it would also make folks thinking about spending $3000 on other launch monitors think hard. Especially if folks add on the 3rd party putting capability within GS Pro.
Now I also wanted to share that someone has released an early version open source GS Pro interface for the Rapsodo MLM2 Pro. If it gets refined to the level the Garmin interface is at currently and if Rapsodo fix their connectivity issues and improve the short chipping algorithm, I think Rapsodo MLM will be King by September. If it gets that far, I’d bet putting will be added too. Rapsodo and the community are capable. Some people may remember the R-Motion. Tons of fun for $300. Between that product learning and the Skytrak development relationship I’m betting the MLM2 Pro will mature and be King. I Think it will divert Skytrak and Mevo+ sales too at that point.
Here’s the link to the GS Pro interface for MLM2 Pro development: github.com/rowengb/GSPro-MLM2PRO-OCR/releases/tag/v0.2.0
Hey mate I did see that! Keen to check it out. Yeah I just wonder if Garmin is working on an updated unit! It's been a while now since the R10 was released. Id love to see an R20 with calculated spin axis. This whole segment is in its very early stages and I think in a few years we will have unbelievably accurate launch monitors for home use. It's exciting!!
Thanks!
Cheers mate