.22s rarely kill people when shot in the brain, it can bounce around in your skull but for most cases a .22 will just leave someone twitching and moaning for their mommy.... More humane to headshot them with 9mm or larger to be honest.... Seeing someone shot in the head with a .22 was bizarre and traumatic
@@ThatTempesTGuy never done it myself...can only go by what the SEAL said (he had a lot of trigger time) and the reading on mafia hits (which in both cases ended in death). Honestly in self defense, don’t think anyone cares about humane head shots. The defender under stress has less than 20% chance of hitting the target- let alone a head shot. The perp undoubtedly doesn’t care about humanity. But you carry what you got in defense of your own humanity. Let the perp take care of his.
I don't know guys, I have killed bulls with a 22, one shot one kill drop them in their tracks. But it was a rifle at about 70 yards and then some at 100 yrds. Yup, they just dropped, but they knew I was hunting them on over 70 acres of land. That's hunting, thinning out the herd, and just bad livestock. Hahaha
@@brucewilliams473 .22 LR terminal velocity much better with a rifle. We used 22 magnum pistol at about 3 feet between the eyes to harvest annual steer for the freezer. Dropped em immediately.
@@ThatTempesTGuy Actually... .22 is better with a headshot up close, because of its ability to ricochet around inside the skull, creating multiple wound tracks. Part of the reason, combined with the relatively quiet report and ease of concealment, that it's so popular for assassinations.
Carrying a .22 (and it's 0.22 inches, not 0.22 millimeters) allows you to obey the first and most important rule in gunfighting: Have a gun. There are other options that may be better, but if you have a .22, CARRY IT!!! To quote a wise saying, "The .22 in your pocket is better than the .45 you left at home."
@@mhicaoidh1I disagree. I can fire off 15 rounds in half a second and not even have to worry about recoil with a .22. With a red dot, they are all in the head. It would be my end of the world gun.
@@jonboy9734 I can do that too. But, that still doesn't make it the better choice against other options. Another thing about .22LR is its incredibly high failure to fire rate compared to centerfire rounds. I've never binned a 9mm because it wouldn't fire. I can't count the number of .22LR rounds I have personally, and seen others, toss into the can. For that reason alone, I wouldn't trust my life on it.
Adding to the “better than nothing” point, the reason we don’t have solid stats on defensive firearm use is because, in many scenarios, they aren’t fired. Gun comes out, threat backs down. Not a guaranteed outcome but I know more people with that story than those who had gunfights in the street.
Yep. A gun comes out and a whole lot of people quickly realize that whatever they're fighting over isn't worth dying for. That's certainly preferable to someone getting killed unnecessarily.
The civilian shootouts being shown on the news over the last year didn't look fake. Obviously not everyone is stopping their attack just because they get shot at. You never know what anyone will do, so it's better to be prepared with whatever is the best defensive tool you can handle competently.
I watched a video where a 22lr went through 8 layers of denim. The winter clothing argument is a myth. I personally carry a 9mm as my everyday carry, however I think people also underestimate 22lr.
I always ask people who make fun of .22LR this question. "Would YOU want to be shot by a .22?" Everyone said no of course not. I'm like well... there's your answer. Everyone acts like 22 is like airsoft gun. 22 is very deadly. Especially with good shot placement and follow ups. I've seen cattle be shot in the head and drop like a sack of potatoes.
@@Krysis219 Yes, for sure, but at a cost. Rhett has the answer .... Premium .22LR like Punch or Velocitor is the way to go for SD/EDC/CCW ... and in a snubby only.
When young & dumb, my friend and I went raccoon hunting with my 10/22 and his Marlin 882 (mag fed, bolt action, .22WMR). He tripped in a gopher hole, and put a .22 mag through the top of my Wolverine work boot, and into my foot. It lodged into the sole of my boot, and I had to walk half a mile back to the truck. Thankfully, all the damage was tissue (no bone, no major trauma), and I was up walking within 72 hours. Certainly glad he wasn't using hollowpoints, because they already had a hell of a time pulling fragments from my foot.
Yeah buddy just ordered the Federal .22 LR self defense rounds for his Ruger pistol. Definitely higher priced, but affordable compared to normal .22 LR rounds. I am looking forward to try them out at the range.
I saw that review. I have some stingers-150 of them. I am going to hold on to them for sure. I think the round you are talking about-Federal?? I forgot the name-Flat nose etc. They will if placed properly stop a threat. I would not want to bet my life on it. My aim is not great. I have had many injuries-surgical and traumatic. No matter how hard I try, competition is out of the question for me. Thank God I have never wanted to "Professionally Compete".
Yeah those Punch rounds, they're great in the right gun. It can crack slides on smaller pistols like the beretta Bobcat and PT22. Recommended in revolvers and bigger .22s
My wife is 75 years old with rheumatoid arthritis in her hands. Got her a Ruger Mark IV and have taken her to the range repeatedly for familiarization and practice. She can hit her target consistently and I would rather give her a gun that she can handle proficiently than one that she can't.
It's better than nothing, but criminals who are committing crimes against you will habe adrenaline pumping thru them and a couple .22s don't cause nearly enough damage at first to stop a threat dead in their tracks, usually. Especially if they are high on drugs.
@@keithgraham9547 Right. Trying to predict the outcome of a self defense encounter based upon caliber is foolish, too many variables. I do want to increase my chances every way I can, though. I might only get one shot to survive.
Sitting in my living room with a Ruger LCP .22 in my jeans pocket right now, and it feels no different from the phone when it is in the other pocket. When I go to the store this morning I’ll walk to my car and drive away. No need to get my other pistol, put on a holster, and make a bunch of preparations. If I’m attacked in the parking lot, I can assure you that with 11 rounds of .22 available, a couple of hits will stop the threat enough for me to escape…which is the whole point.
A 22 Will shoot through a car door a dog bite at any body part will put the body in shock they use 22 point blank to kill farm animals it’s the true under dog cal
After Vietnam, some of us ex-military were far too "conditioned" to come home; however, work was readily available as private contractors in other parts of the world. Just my opinion... a silenced .22LR auto is lightweight to carry, and proved reliably effective for up close & personal dispatching.
But it made poor self defense weapons when it's do or die because your opponent will not go down within first shots into their centre mass like 9mm or above can guaranteed.
@@sys3248 no caliber guarantees they go down with a couple center mass shots, hell I've seen someone shot in the face a couple times with 9mm and still posed a threat for a few more rounds. when it's do or die shot placement is key, caliber is trivial unless their decked out in armored masks and plate carriers. though I like 45 myself, doesn't matter if it's acp or lc their both great.
@@daltongarrett7117 i don't. I've shot charging bear in the center mass with 2-3 shots of 9mm and it went down. 22lr didn't even kill a buck i shot couple times closer. Frankly I've never seen people or animal doesn't went down shot by 9mm more than twice in their centre mass unless they're wearing body armor. Outside 50m maybe but if you're 50m apart with your assailants you can just chosen to run away.
Go shoot 10k 22 and 10k of ANY center fire cartridge. Reliability will be absolutely not comparable. It will be obscenely one sided. Center fire is incredibly reliable 22 isnt full stop.
@Communists are Gross I'm a cz fanboy but I agree walther are amazing, and 22 def kills the most but it's because it's cheap and still lethal, and I still wouldn't bet my life on it unless it was the only option.
@@skywalker3760 223 is centerfire and although its technically a 22 caliber they are exceedingly reliable and incredibly effective more than doubling 22lrs fps out of similar barrels. Very few 223 pistols that are concealable, I don't really consider it anything less than an intermediate cartridge.22lr is absolutely capable of being fired out of a small concealed handgun but still has the issues I mentioned.
A friend of mine was getting the shake down by some mexican federales back in the 80's. Long story short they drew down on him and he did too(not advisable😬). The CPT said, "all you got is that .22?"...buddy said, "yep, just a .22". They got in their jeep and drove away. My uncle said he passed last year at 86 years old. Two months prior to this Juan was in his favorite bar. Some guys pull knifes on him over some BS. Story has it Juan had one hand on his whiskey and the other on the same .22. Calmly said, " you push I pull". They walked away. Legend has it Juan's balls and his .22 have been bronzed and still on display in Zapata, TX
I tell people this all the time. Even buddies trying to get me to believe their 40 and 45s are better than my 9mm. I wouldn't carry unless it was small and comfortable. Also, no one wants to get shot by any caliber. 99% needs met by just drawing the firearm and never firing
Exactly. I get shit for carrying a .32 ACP. But my CCW is always with me in my formerly empty front pocket. It goes right in with a DeSantis pocket holster as easily as my wallet. Hell it is even the size of my wallet. Everyone I know with a CCL doesn't carry all the time or even stopped carrying because it's a hassle for them. They don't want to have to clip on/put on their holster, dress around the gun, carry a big uncomfortable chunky pistol, etc. One even stopped carrying his Bodyguard .380 because it became too big because he can't shoot it well without the extended magazine with grip extension because it's too snappy. The lower recoil .32 ACP doesn't require such a thing in a small pistol. The mentality of go big or carry nothing is pretty stupid. Something is always better than nothing by far.
@@shadetreemech9958 You wouldn't man? I would strap a big .45 SAA with a 7.5 inch barrel on my side like the old west if it didn't freak people out. Once a man starts carrying, hard to go back to not.
25 ACP and .32 ACP. The problem is that 99.99% of gun manufacturers hasn't bother to make any new innovation/platform for these two calibers since the Cold War? For me the only "newish" 32 ACP handgun is the Kec-Tec P32(the year 1999) or you're gonna have to find milsurp 32 ACP.
I purchased a Glock 44 so I could train my nephews and their young children who just moved from “behind enemy lines”. The ability for them transfer to the larger caliber and maintain a good recoil management truly helped them. And for 400$, it was a great investment in my opinion. Great video! Thanks for what you do for us!
They hold more rounds. Once you get shot with the first you already know the person is willing to shoot you how many more do you think you're going to want.
I love Noir's content. But he completely missed one point. In most self defense situations one shot is enough(Not talking about LE here). People do not know what caliber they are being shot at with and don't want to hang around to find out.
I used to be a paramedic. Most of the shootings we had were small caliber, 9mm and smaller. You’d be surprised how many bodies we found by following a blood trail, only had one patient die in the house he was shot in. Usually it was a walk, or they went to the hospital by themselves. Everyone of them said they were cleaning or practicing with the gun and it went off. No, I wasn’t robbing a house, accidentally shot myself. Lol. The bulk of the gsw’s that we found out what caliber was used was…… .22lr. Criminals love cheap little guns that they can throw away. Or that’s what I encountered here in WV.
had a navy buddy ask me about conceal carry pistols then told me he was seriously thinking about buying a desert eagle chambered in 50 AE and using that has his CCW. he is a VERY small guy (like height wise) and i honestly think that it would be interesting to see just not practical.
The DE50 can be practical as a CCW , as long as you have the right holster. I wear a Alien Gear IWB for my DE50. Holster gives the pistol a very small print profile.
There's a great deal of difference between a mobbed up button-man executing a dirty rat with a 22 to the earhole and panic mag-dumping 15 rounds of nine at the dude trying to mug you in the Walmart parking lot.
I’ve always felt like carry what you can in the situation you’ll be in. If the only thing you can conceal is a .22 pocket gun, it’s better than nothing. Chances are, you won’t have to use it if you know how to act and avoid dangerous situations.
You'd be surprised when somebody's becoming combative and you sit there and throw pistol they're not thinking about what size caliper they just see a gun and if it goes bang that's enough
@@howardanderton4525 you’d be surprised. Last year when the riots (I mean peaceful protests) were going on there was a protest in my town. We were on the way back from vacation and my father in law was riding with me, I was pulling my camper. He wanted to ride through all of it and see what was going on. I explained to him that I try to stay out of situations where I might have to hurt someone. Or worse. I also avoid dangerous areas and parts of town. A lot of people aren’t. So then they run a higher risk of being put in a bad situation.
I say the biggest con is the reliability of a rimfire cartridge, I've had easily multiplicities more failures in .22lr than out of any decent 9mm or any other center fire round.
Are you talking about bulk .22? Lots of people assume .22 isn't reliable because all they shoot is bulk .22. Lucky Gunner did a test. It really isn't as unreliable as people think. Because the majority of people experience failure with bulk, Not the expensive stuff. As a .22 target shooter I have never had the good stuff fail. Only bulk.
I love my Glock 44 in 22lr. It’s basically the same as a Glock 19. I can shoot a 300 rounds of 22lr compared to 50 rounds of 9mm at 20 dollars. The fundamentals are the same and it’s easy to transition between the 2 for training
@@187misfitsspade I have ammo, plus a source. Show me evidence where you can purchase 22lr for 5 or 6 cents a round. Go ahead and look, don't be ignorant about what's going on around you
You aren't the first person I've heard say this. I've had bad experiences with the sr22. I've ran every kind of ammo from top to bottom tier and still had an issue with f2fs. When it runs its a fun banger to bang no doubt. I will stick with my trusty G19s or 19x when it comes to edc.
@@oncemoreintothefray2766 agreed, for the same footprint if not a little smaller id much rather carry my 43x with 11 rounds of 9mm or my Glock 30 in the colder months. I just couldnt trust my life to a rimfire handgun
I've got a Ruger Mark II, I've got brand new in 1983. I've never had a problem with it. My wife has hand problems and and carrier a Ruger LCR 22 long rifle. Holds 8 rounds no hammer, no slide, and easy to conceal. If you can't use a gun you carry, it does no good. At about 25 feet, she can put all 8 in about a 10 inch group in under 15 seconds. It's time for her to start working on multiple targets. 4 in one, and 4 in the other, then 3, 3, and 2 with 3 targets. I let her pick her gun, I've shot it a few times, and it's a good little gun for her with her hand problems. It's better than nothing. I carry a Ruger LCP ll in 380. She can't pull the slide back on mine.
Thanks for laying out a balanced choice for using a 22 lr. Personally I am not as concerned with carry as I am home defense. My view is that it makes a good backup for the home. It is not to be underestimated, especially in my Ruger 22 lr target pistol. My 357 magnum revolver is my primary gun at home.
Interesting video! Having seen enough deaths from GSWs I wish to politely state that a GSW from a .22 LR that hits the human body squarely anywhere is going to stop an assailant or anybody else. These lead bullets deform and skid about in the body. This causes severe tissue damage and bleeding that requires surgery to stem the bleeding and to repair trauma. What do those people mean when they tout stopping power? They ought to spend a month in the emergency room at Cook County Hospital. The terrible destructive power of the .22 is it's slower velocity causes it to slow down faster would a 9mm and lacerating the tissues. But probably, all things considered, the worst caliber to be shot with a close range would probably be the .38 special standard load with a semi flat lead bullet. Such a bullet developing drag factor in the human body tears the he'll out of human tissue. A more powerful round might cause less tissue damage. Go to medical school and opt for emergency medicine at a county hospital in a big city and see for yourself?
Did any of you guys ever see the Lucky Gunner video, where Chris*, I think his name is, ran like 1500 rounds through a S&W AR15-22? 500 rounds were soaked in salt water for 24 hours. 500 rounds were tumbled in a brass tumbler for several hours, I think and 500 rounds were also somehow mistreated** for a period of time. He ran all 1500 bullets through his AR with zero malfunctions of any kind. They were all CCI Minimags, I think. * Chris Baker ** I checked myself. The third group of 500 were a control group of untampered ammo.
I have shot CCI mini mags in a Marlin mod 60, a Remington pump action, a Heritage Rough rider revolver, and a Ruger Wrangler revolver. In 40+ years, and over 10000 rounds, I had one misfire, that when rotated, fired.... and one dud, no powder. I have had a couple failure to feeds in the Marlin when it was new, mainly from other ammo that I tried to see what the gun liked. It loves CCI, and still doesnt feed other ammo right. And can shoot the bottom out of a pop can at 100yrds in the Marlin. The lady likes what the lady likes...😉
Chris Baker. He does great, honest reviews with no BS. Has produced several vids on "Pocket Pistols" and performance tests on .22 ammo -- unfortunately, it did not include Federal PUNCH at the time.
That is just one reason for carrying a revolver of any caliber, and not a semi-auto - just keep pulling the trigger. No matter what, in a real serious firefight confrontation, handguns are only of value to fight yer way to a rifle, or even a shotgun.
I think about my home intruder. A 6'6" 25YO 275lb "DRUGGED UP maniac" that I shot with a 255gr LFN 45 Long Colt, - diagonally up thru the torso, that got stomach, diaphragm, liver and lung; tore the percardial sack, missed the heart by less than 20mm. He never made a sound, never stumbled, staggered or indicated he'd been hit. HE WALKED OUT OF THE HOUSE. 20 minutes later resisted arrest some hundred feet distant from the site standing by his car rummaging thru the trunk Got all the subpoenaed medical reports.. I could be wrong but I'd suggest, that if your attacker might be on drugs (which is a better than 50/50 bet these days) you might consider carrying some more serious heat than any 22..He wont be like Pres Reagan in 1981.
@@doughesson Read it again ! I said - IT TORE - THE PERCARDIAL SAC. (That is how the medical report stated it.i The report also stated the distance from the heart. You wanna come proof read the reports yourself.? Altho, I suppose the St Agnes medical facility couldve been as inept and incompetent as the Anne Arundel Kounty Keystone Kops were.!!! PS I dont need to flog this thread to death.! READ and do whatever you like. I simply gave a warning from my experience. OK??
I have a Taurus TX22, with a fiber optic front sight and a 19 round magazine (+3 baseplate). It wouldn’t be my first choice for a carry gun, but it would be a considered.
"i'd rather bring a knife to a gun fight than show up empty handed" as i always say. but its about what you (the operator) feel comfortable with. and if that is a .22, then just be prepared to keep squeezing.
In 2019 I was at a gun shop where 3 old women were talking about getting .22 pistols for self-defense specifically the ruger sr22 ones in pink or teal. One even mentioned keeping it as a "car gun". They were determined to get .22 cal pistols instead of anything else. The woman helping them pretty much gave up trying to convince them. Guess cause they're old and its easier to shoot or cause ammo was cheaper.
Most old women 55 yrs and older do not have the hand strength to even rack anything bigger than a 22, much less shoot anything bigger. I know My Mom has 8 sisters( not to mention all the cousins I have). None were capable of shooting anything bigger than a 22 once they hit 50 yrs old.
Depending on how old it may have been due to how hard it is to rack back other handguns. I worked at a gunshop for a while and had many older people want 22lr cause of bad arthritis had poor hand strength.
I carry a 22 in my rotation just because I can. I started buying nothing but CCI ammo several years ago. With a Ruger SR 22, an LCP II and a Phoenix HP 22 I can honestly say I have not had a failure since
The SR-22 .22LR was designed to carry and ever in an event and encounter one of those “hard-case” rounds the 2nd strike capability quickly solves that problem. It’s in my carry rotation as well as I can dump shots in a quarter of the time compared to centerfire of any caliber, and ON TARGET out to 50 feet. A .22LR is as dependable as a user practices and ranges his platform. I still like my .40S&W.
In addition to "stopping power" and reliability, there's also legality. A .22 revolver with 8 shots looks a hell of a lot better to a jury than a 9mm 2011 with an extended 24 round magazine, a tuned trigger, and a dot. Not saying its right, but we do have to live in the real world where most people are ignorant about guns.
The state prosecutor will have a field day with you having a 9mm or 45 This is why they say to use the smallest and cheapest round poss for self defense. At the end, the judge and jury carry your fate.
I have been telling people for years to stop modifying their sidearms and just stay stock out of the box, a local got convicted some years back because he thought modding his glock would be bada**, the prosecutor convinced the jury that doing so made him out looking for a fight.
Ive seen many people killed with a single shot from a .22 and people survive multiple shots from a 9mm. I carry 40 grain high velocity .22s as a result. (Easily penetrates winter clothing by the way) I still carry my off duty .40cal even though Im retired now but I would never underestimate a .22 if it were pointed at me. (Retired Tx LEO)
You've seen "many"? So I guess a .22LR has some special property that a 9mm does not that you are implying makes the .22LR more lethal than a 9mm. Can you share what this is, please?
@@kevinguthmiller8510 Man his comment went way over your head lmao. He didn’t imply that at all. Let me break it down for you. He simply said he’s seen people die from one shot of .22LR and also seen people survive multiple shots of 9mm. Implying that a .22LR can 100% be effective in self defense and it’s all about shot placement and the shooter. Moral of the story: Don’t underestimate a .22LR. No where in his comment did he imply .22LR is more effective than 9mm.
@@dwells3536 no, I highlit a fallacy. Just because in some circumstances a .22 proved to be fatal and a 9mm wasn't, does not in any way make.an argument that a .22LR is better than -- or even acceptable-- compared to a 9mm. There may be reasons in some circumstances that a 22 is okay, but the argument from the OP is not a valid one.
I love my Ruger LCR 22LR. And am definitely going to carry it at least as my back-up, if not my primary. I am accurate with it and it’s easy to carry and conceal. And I like the fact that the ammo is relatively inexpensive (at least for training) and that I have a lot of it. And that the ammo is also easy to carry. And since one of other revolvers is my Ruger LCR in 38 Sp, it seems logical to have this one also.
I have carried a .22 as my SD pistol. Nothing the size of yours, of course. If I was going to carry a piece that large, it would be in a meaningful caliber. An EDC .22 has 2 points of value. 1: it's all you have. If you can't afford better, you're stuck. Note, ammo cost doesn't factor here. Sure, .22 is cheap. But if you're relying on it to save your life, you had better be practicing. A lot! If you can't make tiny targets dance, you're not going to be able to reliably make hits to the much smaller zones of lethality the .22 offers. 2: You need an ultra tiny deep concealable handgun. I had a dangerous job were I was nevertheless prohibited from carrying. So getting caught meant unemployment. Of course, not having the means to protect myself meant that being unemployed may well become the least of my problems. A micro .22 in a back pocket with a square of leather bound cardboard looked like a wallet unless you stuck your hand in the pocket. And I practiced both the draw and hitting small targets with that pistol. A lot! I'd still rather have had something more meaningful.
A .22LR is good to use if you just don't want to worry about having big holes in your wall in case you miss or hit and it passes through the arm or leg into the wall. You miss with a shotgun and you're going to need a new wall. Also, the .22LR will save your hearing.
When you carry a 22 you have 2 vital target points THE HEAD AND HEART. I have developed a medical problem with my back and hips and I carry a large capacity 22 in a quality gun and it works I also always keep a large caliber 9mm and .380 always close at hand so I can access it and use it in an emergency.
So my aunt killed my uncle in self defense with a 22 revolver that had 2/5 active rounds in the cylinder. Hit him on the left side in the shoulder and the ribs.. He was about 6ft 200 lbs. He hit the floor and died. The people who argue that a 22 is much different than basically any other handgun and it won't stop someone simply don't know what they're talking about
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Good advice; helpful, realistic and practical! A revolver like Ruger's LCR in .22 lr could be better for some people. Some may want to explore the .22 magnum option.
Nope. 22 mag is about the worst of all possible worlds. Little more energy than .22LR but much louder (almost more distracting than recoil) and MUCH harder to get to cycle reliably in an automatic. Only time I'd choose .22mag is when "its better than nothing". The further problem is, in many situations it is NOT better than nothing because the holder may have more inclination to pull iron and fight than RUN, which is the far better option in most situation. A gun is always the LAST resort.
I agree with you!! Thanks for acknowledging the disabled individuals and the possibilities for physically not having the ability to use larger calibers. As a result of my disabilities, I have sold my center fire handguns. The hardest thing I've done. But, on the plus side, I was able to purchase some things I wanted for a while now. I actually have some quality knives and a few new AR rifles and a new AR 22 pistol as well!!
I'm with you bro. I'm also getting to the point where I (For physical reasons) might have to let go of my center firearm also. Hard thing to do. That said, a good quality 22lr, well maintained, using good ammo (CCI), it'll get the job done. (Smile) Stay safe and healthy. Peace
Stopping power is really "trauma reaction." When a person gets shot it does take a second for the trauma to register. The brain goes "oh fudge...I've been shot." The larger the projectile the more trauma it produces, thus reducing the reaction time. A well placed 22 round can kill just as fast as any other round but I don't want to bet my life on a lucky shot.
Very well put. Stopping power = trauma reaction. Many sub guns that became popular during and after ww2 were 9mm. It was immediately disliked because of the almost identical ballistics of the unpopular 38 spl. 45acp became king before ww2 but nobody liked carrying rounds that weighed more than 30.06 and were less effective. The revolver with 357 or 44 became the carry gun just for the reason of delivering trauma. Now we've gone full circle again. Rounds on target to stop, or a round on target to deter. Is your attacker rational or delirious. A lady approached a Texas Ranger at a dress event. He had on a dress leather side holster with a scalloped revolver. She said, are you expecting trouble? No mam, if I were I would have my rifle!
I am very satisfied with my Ruger LCR in 22. I have put literally thousands of rounds through it. There were four to five failures to fire out of all those rounds. Its a revolver, I simply pulled the trigger again to get a "pop". It is rugged, light beyond belief and holds eight rounds. I use it EDC in my weak side pocket as a backup to my 9mm. Great little gun!
@@granitejeepc3651 I have 6 Speedbeez reloaders for my little LCR. Like you I put more rounds through it than anything else. I have a very high competence and level of comfort with it.
I have seen a ad from Federal that has a new personal protection 22LR round available. They say that they have found a need for 22LR used as backup and folks with medical issues.
.22 caliber through the heart is still a bullet through the heart. People often underestimate the dangers of smaller caliber munitions. I mean a .22lr isn't something to ignore. There was a study done by one police department which came to the conclusion of where/how many times you were struck mattered more than the caliber/size of the round you were hit by. So the lethality of a firearm doesn't dramatically change from caliber to caliber.
*"I carry a Keltec PMR-30 22 Magnum with hollow points. I shot a 55 gallon metal drum with it and the entrance hole was almost as big as a 45 acp! My PMR30 holds 30 rounds. I prefer my 1911 double stack but the 30 round capacity wins out!"*
@@miked4152 I sometimes carry my 1911 for back up; but I ordered two extra magazines from Keltec and so things will be looking pretty dark if I go through 120 rounds and have to take my back up
A quick exercise: imagine that you’ve fully loaded every reasonably carry-sized handgun that you own and laid them all on a table in front of you, including 22s. Here comes the fun part - imagine, while you’re standing there, someone kicks in your front door. Which gun do you grab? That’s the one you should carry.
That’s a good thought process to think about what you would prefer to use. But, for anyone that has that many and are proficient with them, if the situation were to happen, they would grab whichever is closest to there firing hand.
Honestly? I grab the Glock 17 or 19. But while that is a great exercise in theory, sometimes I want my carry to be thinner so 90 percent of the time I carry a SW Shield 2.0 in 45 acp. But someone barging in the door with all loaded doesn't take into account what I'm wearing, or the activity I would be doing on any given day.
I’m glad you covered this subject. My wife is tiny, 5’1” tall and 98lbs at first she was finding difficult to cock compact frame 9mm pistols for EDC so I had her try a few .22’s. They were much easier to cock/rack the slide but we, mostly her didn’t care for certain inherent features of carrying a rimfire pistol. They get dirty and can foul up way faster compared to center fired rounds, yes the recoil is less but if you can shoot at .22 you can shoot a 9mm. I had bought my wife a Glock G44 and it’s Glock through and through but after 150 rounds it was shooting off paper and not cycling properly
Same here , my wife didn’t have strong enough hand strength to rack a 9mm or even a 380 . I ended up getting her a Ruger LCP 22LR pistol which she absolutely loves . She’s put close to 500 rounds with no problem on it .
that's the problem...you bought a glock 44 for her just because it's a glock...it's a piece of shit 22lr handgun. tx22 is more reliable when it comes to semi. wheel guns are even more reliable.
I'm a retired Deputy Sheriff. Worked patrol in a high crime, inner city neighborhood. I carried a NAA .22 revolver as a last ditch weapon. My primary weapon was a Beretta 92F with my backup either a 2" .38 caliber revolver or a 9mm HK P7. I personally wouldn't carry a .22 as my primary CCW but if that's all you have, it's better than nothing. I certainly wouldn't want to be shot by a .22.
I have a 9mm Shadow System in my backpack, and I pocket carry Ruger LCP II 22lr everywhere I go. It's not just old people, I have arthritis in my right wrist, 9mm or even 380 acp would hurt my wrist. 22lr has no recoil and I can follow up with my shots. I practice clearing malfunction as an anticipation for 22lr's unreliability.
@@luxnova8211 I carry Aguila supermaximun hollow point 1700fps. Ruger recommends CCI mini mag, but I read reviews and comments that it works for some but not everyone's LCP II 22lr. Generally speaking, the faster ammos work better with LCP II. The bulk and cheap stuff have higher chance of light primer strike. You need to test out what your particular LCP II likes and hates. Galloway Precision and M-Carbo have upgrades. I ordered Galloway Precision 's trigger and spring kits that would improve reliability (hammer hits 10% stronger and 10% decrease in firing pin to better strike power) and accuracy. I will use M-Carbo's trigger spring to reduce trigger pull, but stay away from using their hammer and firing pin springs because they make slide easier to pull but also reduce striking power, which makes the gun less likely to send off faster bullets. I am keeping the polymer guiding rod. Stainless one is heavier, which would slow the slide and cause it to be more ammo sensitive. Keeping the gun clean and wet would also increase reliability. There is a threaded barrel kit available for suppressor. That's more for just having fun because it would make the gun more unreliable, as shown on a review video on RUclips. I will get two additional magazines. The original box only comes with one. This is for additional ammo and clearing malfunction.
All good points. I’m retired LEO. In 2003 I took a round from this exact pistol. The round grazed the edge of my ballistic vest and penetrated the rib cage. The bullet traveled between the inside of the rib cage captured between bone and membrane (think silver skin on ribs) and exited my right scapula. Two important observations. #1 I didn’t even know I had been shot for over a minute, #2 the round traveled completely through my body, chest to scapula lodging just under the skin in my shoulder. Did not disable me, but remarkable penetration. I do own and occasionally carry this firearm. I have the bullet to this day. Never your first best choice, but good compliment to a pocket knife. P.s. the extent of my injuries included a few stitches, a broken rib and a bandaid. Consider your options carefully.
I was a security guard at a local gas station my partner and I got into it with some kids robbing the store he was shot with a 9mm in one arm pit and out the other and a similar story he too didn't know he had Ben shot and was up walking around when ems arrived they couldn't believe he had Ben shot in the chest and was up and joking about it.
I had a 22 Walther. I had so many misfires that I sold the gun. It was completely unreliable. It just didn’t have the energy to rack the slide reliably.
i still have mine , i purchased it back in 2019 and had problems with , i did return it to Walther and they fixed it but its still very particular about the ammo i feed it.
I own a Walthar p22. It's a POS pistol. Please don't judge all .22 pistols based on the Walthar. That F.N. Colion is sporting in this video will probably be my next .22 pistol. I've got a suppressor and a threaded barrel is a must.
If/ when arthritis stops me from enjoying a 45 or 9mm or 38/357 revolver, I’ll certainly be carrying a .22. I used to carry Beretta 21A Bobcats when concealment was really important and have also shot a lot of rimfires out of S&W revolvers, I understand the practical importance of keeping my .22s especially the chambers clean. Great video featuring the FN 502 and what sounds like practical reliability.
I retired as a LEO in a large metro area. Two cases. A 16 year old was walking down the street and a drive by killed him with one .22 to the neck. Second, same situation, gangbanger walking down the street and was shot with ELEVEN 9mm rounds throughout his body. When I arrived he was still talking. Taken to the hospital and was released to go back home 8 days later. If any idiot thinks an.22 can’t kill, I have a bridge I’d like sell you. This is an old and stupid discussion that pops up every once in a while.
I love my S&W M&P 22 Compact. Since it was my first gun, I have been using it for training. Make sure to get good 22lr cartridges, though. I made the mistake of getting cartridges with unplated bullets and ended up lead fouling my bore. The gunsmith was able to get it clean, but lesson learned!
22 has its place in self defense. I always recommend going to the bigger caliber or more popular. But it all comes down to training. Doesn’t matter if it’s a 22 with 10 rounds, or a 9mm with 20. If you can’t land rounds on target, it’s already a lost fight. The only down side, 22 can be spotty compared to other calibers when it comes to reliability. Both with ammo, finicky with being slight dirty, the cartridge can bend fairly easily in a jam. But it’s better then nothing at all. So yes, it’s a viable self defense cartridge, just not the best, but you could do much worse.
Um, I carry a. 22 for self defense.... 😏 Mainly because I struggle with many of the other guns because of a bone deformity in my wrist, one of my bones is too short. I can't always pull back and chamber a bullet, and some revolvers are too heavy to hold or to hard to pull the trigger. Plus the recoil is better on the .22, so easier for me to fire more than 3 times.
Try the .380 smith and Wesson EZ my grandma with arthritis uses it. It is super easy to rack the slide pretty light recoil. And has more stopping power. i hope this helps.
That sucks sorry but a trick on racking the slide too chamber a round. Don't try too just pull the slide back but use the other hand too push the frame of the gun forward at the same time so your using the strength of 2 hands simultaneously. I taught my sons too shoot very young and they weren't strong enough that's how I showed them .
Considering the main benefits from a performance standpoint for .22 is low recoil and high capacity, I’d carry a 5.7x28mm pistol like the FN Five seveN. Also a .22 caliber, but going much faster so it has enough penetration to get through heavy clothing, it’s centerfire and therefore more reliable, and you still have lower recoil and a higher capacity than 9mm. Also lighter weight, too, which means you can carry more ammo for the same weight or the same ammo more comfortably. Main downside is cost, but hey, I think you’re life is worth more than $600.
Agreed, ultimately the round is up to the end user to decide what they want. A bullet is a bullet. No matter if it's a hollow point or armour piercing, 22lr or 9mm, it's going to sting really bad either way.
You are spot on. The 5.7 is the one for those who love the attributes of the .22 and are comfortable with it, but also want a bit more power. The 5.7 is a very good choice for anyone, especially those accustomed to the .22
is the choice i made, but in the Ruger variety rather than FN. 20+1 and a nice feeling to use. Stagger a few Black Fang mixed in with the FN 40gr VMAX really is the answer to the .22 question, imo.
I've never shot 5.7mm but I like your points. The recoil, noise, and slide racking capabilities are very important to someone like my wife who is very resistant to shooting my 9mm for practice, but who does like my single action .22 pistol. My question to you is: have you compared the 5.7mm to the .380 with respect to recoil, noise, and slide racking?
My Taurus TX22 has been fantastic as far as reliability. It shoots every type of ammo I have put thru it, has 17rd capacity and is lightweight. The under $300 price tag is also a good selling point. I got rid of my Glock 44 as it was utter trash.
That sucks about the Glock. My Glock 17 was fired out the box, zero issues. I cleaned the Tx-22 since a paper that came with it, highly recommended it. 1100 rounds of CCI MM 40 grain, no issues.
Hell, when I was a young man, my grandmother had trapped a large possum inside the old farmhouse and she wanted me to dispatch it. What I thought was going to be a quick single head shot, turned into almost 10 rounds at point blank range aimed at first the head and then the vitals. It was not very happy after being shot in the head three times from that old Winchester .22 pump. That poor bastard.
@@PewLand No, I am quite certain they were .22LR and it was a pretty big possum. It is possible the rounds spent too many years in the Oklahoma humidity.
How many people in this chat can say they actually used a 9mm in actual self defense to tell you how LOUD it was to where it disoriented you after that 1st shot ... When i go to the run range and i stand behind my son about 2 ft when he fires that 9mm, its LOUD and you can feel the pressure
I know the old saying it "It's better than s sharp stick." Yes theoretically. Over the last year and a half I have helped around 25 people get into guns. Normally I don't brag but considering I don't have a RUclips presence or something I'd the sort I think that's good. .22 is a good choice. Not best or decent but good in "don't carry nothing". Now almost all my recruits carry a .380 or higher now. But some were very scared of those calibers or too weak to shoot even a Shield EZ series. Those shooters are 73+ in age and s couple of terminally ill. Yes. Terminally ill people deserve the rest of their lives too. For them a 22 revolver with 8-10 shots works great. To sum it up. I'm pro carry no matter what. Find the gun that will let you shoot and carry well. If it's just a 22 then I support you. 2A baby.
380 is a good defense round. John Browning generally knew what he was doing and invented it for self defense. I tend to carry a 22lr daily though. I just got a 380 and plan to have both in my carry rotation
@@XenoZbornak Thank you man. I keep trying to wake people up. Usually once I get them to say yes to "just come to the range with me one time." They come and have a blast. I think the local gun shops and ranges help a lot too because they are the places where people are the nicest. We have to keep spreading the word. Btw I failed a lot too. But at least I tried to plant that seed. Tell everyone about how to practice their right. God bless you guys and have a great holiday season! 🙏
Excellent video. Unfortunately age has caught up with us. My wife can no longer handle a center fire handgun. I got her a G44 as she had a G19. Promag makes an 18 round mag for the G44 that works for a change. She goes through a brick a month. I gave up my G36 45ACP and went to a G26 9mm with 115 JHP and an LCR 38 spl with 148 grain wadcutters. If I need to really hide a gun I have Keltec P32. The 380 mouse guns are too hard to control. If I need power I have a heavy 357 mag revolver. Ammo cost has gotten prohibitive so I mostly practice with 22lr. Usually an LCP2 in 22lr that is not reliable enough to carry and an LCR in 22lr that is very reliable. Would love to have the LCP2 in 32 ACP. A gem if you can find one is the Keltec P17. If I found it necessary to carry a 22lr it would be the P17 or an LCR revolver.
I worked with a guy that played pro football when he was younger and he got in a fight and someone shot him with a 22 pistol and it damn near killed him !!! One shot !! This guy was a huge strong man !!! 375 pounds of muscle !!! His hands were so big that when you shook hands his hands covered half my forearm !!! I am 6'2" and 250 lbs !!!!
Most self defense use is going to be close range so a 22 would be effective. Look up the ballistic test and you will see which round would be good for the job.
Just about any .22 caliber gun can send a mass of bullets down range at a rapid rate while maintaining site alignment and site picture. I don't expect a perpetrator in a T-shirt, heavy coat or even a flak vest is going to be advancing on you while they are receiving multiple .22 cal impacts at center mass. Either way, the perp is going to have a bad day! In a pinch, .22 cal is an effective deterrent.
If you want high capacity with lower recoil, then the FN Five Seven is for you. Standard 20 round capacity, 30 with a mag extender. Extender might be a bit much if you want to CC. 😁
The problem right now is finding ammo to feed it with, especially as hardly anyone made that ammo even before the scamdemic. Handloading is a problem as you have to find a source for the bullets and casings as well, plus load data and even a set of dies for it. 5.7x28mm is a fun cartridge but still too proprietary for my liking.
@@jeffumbach Since the PS90 and AR 5-7 uppers came out, 5.7 ammo has become way more common. Federal even started making it some years back, which was nice since FN are silly and won't sell 40gr FMJ to civilians. From a quick search it seems about as available as 9mm right now. Might not seem like it to some people since there is really only the one brand, Federal, of 5.7
Personally I think the 22 LR is great for self defense, always use what you are most comfortable and well trained with. Biggest thing with all of the issues of reliability seems to me is all from cheap bulk loose. I've put well over 300 rounds of cheap Armscore ammo and CCI mini mags along with 200 rounds of the new Winchester silver tip 22LR through the Walther p22 and had zero malfunctions. Then again everyone has their own experience and some guns with some rounds just don’t go as well for some I suppose, either way awesome video!
.22LR bounces around in the body. That's the lethality behind it. I took a round to my back and it broke my rib, punctured my lung, then entered my spinal column. A couple more, and God only knows what else would have happened. There's a reason a .22 is a hit man's favorite! Damn round just goes in and then becomes a pinball.
You nailed it spot on with every point. Biggest issue is finding the right ammo. Every .22 is different even between the same brand and model. Different brands and types of ammo will feed differently firearm to firearm. You have to find the right ammo for your individual firearm.
.22 is just too much fun. I love shooting it. In .22 I’ve got: Ruger single six (‘54) Ruger SR22 Nylon 66 (Apache black/chrome) Rossi Rio Bravo (black) I love every single one of these guns. But home defense…. 12Ga for me
Here is the thing. I am retired on a fixed income and can no longer afford to stay proficient with a centerfire firearm. My ammo budget is $25 bucks a month as I have to eat and maintain some shelter and buy gasoline. That budget gives me 45 rounds of 38 special at today's prices or 270 rounds of 22lr. I would address the reliability issue by never recommending a semi auto in 22lr. With an 8 shot revolver an ammo failure just means another pull of the trigger. No, it's not ideal but, repeatable accurate shot placement under pressure matters more than caliber if, like me, you are forced to choose. The added bonus is as I drift toward decrepitude the .22 starts to get even more justified in my mind. Thank you for your thoughts on this issue.
@Communists are Gross projectiles kill people. 22s are unreliable, shot placement is enough with anything pretty much, but reliability will get you killed.
That greatly depends on the gun and the ammo used. I have a ruger 22 that has yet to jam with anything I have run through it, and have done multiple mag dumps. I can dump 11 rounds in about 3.5 seconds consistently. Its more than capable for 95% of self defense scenarios.
@@spartanx169x go shoot 5k out of that ruger dude. I've NEVER had even 500 22 without a malf. It's usually just a dead round, I shoot cci which isn't junk either. They get incredibly fouled, they are just physically an inferior design. You can have a very reliable gun, I'm talking the actual cartridge.. I've put 10-20k out of a 9mm without a malf if it's of good quality.
The 22 has been really misunderstood. Once they first came out and got real popular, it was and still is one of the best caliber for work and at home. Old men use to carry them in their metal construction lunch box. Still a great caliber.
I'm too lazy to Google if it's true or not, but I've heard more than once that the .22 has killed more people than any cartridge. The biggest reason for that is how common it is, but it'll still put a hole in someone all the same.
Two shooting I have seen one dead one survived. One subject shot in the chest with a .22 short out of a 2" revolver from across a front yard. DRT before he hit the ground. Second was shot point blank in the chest with a .44 magnum four-inch revolver. Survived. Placement is everything.
I've seen many "gun guy" videos testing the validity and lethality of a .22 for self defense and also watched the CVC video of that guy that did a mass shooting a while back in a mall with a .22 rifle. At the range that most self defense encounters are going to occur, being normally 3-8 yards, a .22 is absolutely viable for self defense and is easily deadly when hitting the torso. Especially when factoring in how many quick rounds you can pop off from a .22, being so easy to control. I'm a big advocate for the importance of being comfortable with your chosen fire arm for the chosen job. If you have a gun that you're nervous or scared to shoot, and find yourself in a situation where instincts, reactions and split seconds are everything, you might as well be unarmed at that point. So if you're comfortable only with something as light and easy as a .22, do it. It's not just "better than nothing", it's way way better than nothing. It's still a gun and is absolutely lethal in the situations you'd be needing it.
Mass shooters in malls are cowards who execute defenseless, unarmed people cowering in corners. They're not up against someone trying to kill them, and they're definitely not at the initiative deficit self-defenders face.
@@anonymouslee2083 well of course. They are cowardly dirt bags. My point was just that it showed the lethality of a little .22 rifle for this case of people questioning so much if it viable.
@@mynameismud888 it’s viable for murdering someone who doesn’t fight back. It’s pretty crappy at quickly putting down someone who is actively attacking you, as it needs perfect shot placement that’s not gonna happen when you’re in imminent fear for your life.
@@anonymouslee2083 I disagree. At the range that you'd be using it, center mass is all you need. A few flicks of the trigger and that person is dropping. That is exactly what I witnessed in that video. Him walking by people and putting a few rounds into them and they were done. He wasn't double tapping them and putting one in the head. As far as the tests go, I've seen plenty that show at self defense ranges it has plenty of penetration to do the work. Upgrade your ammo to .22 mag rounds and you're nearly going through your target at those ranges.
@@anonymouslee2083 again though, my point is, if it's all your comfortable with, it's the way to go. Like my 74 year old mother. A .22 is perfect for her to be able to point shoot and pepper someone coming through her apartment door and drop him. Far better than her grabbing a weapon she is terrified of yet is more powerful.
People totally underestimate a 22lr. Thick jacket in the winter, a 22lr will go slam through it, I dont listen to anything anyone says about a 22lr bc you can see Iraqveteran8888 do a test with 22lr and it goes straight through a 2x4 piece of wood so yea im pretty sure it'll go through some clothing
Excellent video as always. I would just like to add a little something to anyone that's taking the time to read this... There's always the . 22 WMR. That's Winchester Magnum rimfire. Gives you a little more punch. Still easy to handle. I believe Kel-Tec makes a 22 WMR pistol that has a 30 round detachable box magazine. So for those of you that perhaps don't like the 380 or the 9mm in its full size.. But don't think that the 22 LR is enough... Perhaps consider the 22 WMR. Just a little food for thought.
Navy SEAL was asked what caliber he liked for self defense. His reply was: “doesn’t matter when you shoot them in the face...” ...so there’s that.
.22s rarely kill people when shot in the brain, it can bounce around in your skull but for most cases a .22 will just leave someone twitching and moaning for their mommy.... More humane to headshot them with 9mm or larger to be honest.... Seeing someone shot in the head with a .22 was bizarre and traumatic
@@ThatTempesTGuy never done it myself...can only go by what the SEAL said (he had a lot of trigger time) and the reading on mafia hits (which in both cases ended in death). Honestly in self defense, don’t think anyone cares about humane head shots. The defender under stress has less than 20% chance of hitting the target- let alone a head shot. The perp undoubtedly doesn’t care about humanity. But you carry what you got in defense of your own humanity. Let the perp take care of his.
I don't know guys, I have killed bulls with a 22, one shot one kill drop them in their tracks. But it was a rifle at about 70 yards and then some at 100 yrds. Yup, they just dropped, but they knew I was hunting them on over 70 acres of land. That's hunting, thinning out the herd, and just bad livestock. Hahaha
@@brucewilliams473 .22 LR terminal velocity much better with a rifle. We used 22 magnum pistol at about 3 feet between the eyes to harvest annual steer for the freezer. Dropped em immediately.
@@ThatTempesTGuy Actually... .22 is better with a headshot up close, because of its ability to ricochet around inside the skull, creating multiple wound tracks. Part of the reason, combined with the relatively quiet report and ease of concealment, that it's so popular for assassinations.
As I've told people before; "It's better than a sharp stick".
They're both deadly ;)
Any port in a storm.
Hell yea anything is better that nothing.
Slightly
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Carrying a .22 (and it's 0.22 inches, not 0.22 millimeters) allows you to obey the first and most important rule in gunfighting: Have a gun. There are other options that may be better, but if you have a .22, CARRY IT!!! To quote a wise saying, "The .22 in your pocket is better than the .45 you left at home."
They could add to that saying though "... but the 9mm you left on the gun store counter still would have been a better choice."
@@mhicaoidh1I disagree. I can fire off 15 rounds in half a second and not even have to worry about recoil with a .22. With a red dot, they are all in the head. It would be my end of the world gun.
@@jonboy9734 I can do that too. But, that still doesn't make it the better choice against other options.
Another thing about .22LR is its incredibly high failure to fire rate compared to centerfire rounds. I've never binned a 9mm because it wouldn't fire. I can't count the number of .22LR rounds I have personally, and seen others, toss into the can. For that reason alone, I wouldn't trust my life on it.
You also shouldn’t be one of the 90% who won’t pull the trigger when needed to.
RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!
.22 caliber is not metric, its imperial units the metric designation for .22lr is : 5.6×15mmR
Glad I'm not the only one who's OCD went, "WAIT....WUT?"
I caught it too...
Good catch!
Oversight on my part. My editor did that and I missed it when I was going over the edit.
...thanks - wondered what it was in metric - is it sold anywhere under its metric designation???
Adding to the “better than nothing” point, the reason we don’t have solid stats on defensive firearm use is because, in many scenarios, they aren’t fired. Gun comes out, threat backs down. Not a guaranteed outcome but I know more people with that story than those who had gunfights in the street.
Yep.
A gun comes out and a whole lot of people quickly realize that whatever they're fighting over isn't worth dying for. That's certainly preferable to someone getting killed unnecessarily.
Undoubtedly the most common scenario… good guy don’t want to have to shoot, and bad guys don’t want to get shot 💁🏻♀️
Yeah, about 98% of the time a gun is drawn defensively, the gun ends up not being fired at all.
True, generally
The civilian shootouts being shown on the news over the last year didn't look fake. Obviously not everyone is stopping their attack just because they get shot at.
You never know what anyone will do, so it's better to be prepared with whatever is the best defensive tool you can handle competently.
I watched a video where a 22lr went through 8 layers of denim. The winter clothing argument is a myth. I personally carry a 9mm as my everyday carry, however I think people also underestimate 22lr.
foreal, dudes act like a hat can stop a 22 LOL
I always ask people who make fun of .22LR this question. "Would YOU want to be shot by a .22?" Everyone said no of course not. I'm like well... there's your answer. Everyone acts like 22 is like airsoft gun. 22 is very deadly. Especially with good shot placement and follow ups. I've seen cattle be shot in the head and drop like a sack of potatoes.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 yep
.22 wmr is even more impressive.
@@Krysis219 Yes, for sure, but at a cost. Rhett has the answer .... Premium .22LR like Punch or Velocitor is the way to go for SD/EDC/CCW ... and in a snubby only.
When young & dumb, my friend and I went raccoon hunting with my 10/22 and his Marlin 882 (mag fed, bolt action, .22WMR). He tripped in a gopher hole, and put a .22 mag through the top of my Wolverine work boot, and into my foot. It lodged into the sole of my boot, and I had to walk half a mile back to the truck. Thankfully, all the damage was tissue (no bone, no major trauma), and I was up walking within 72 hours.
Certainly glad he wasn't using hollowpoints, because they already had a hell of a time pulling fragments from my foot.
The 22 wmr is a very powerful cartridge.
.22 mag kills 300lb plus pigs at 10 ft right through the skull. If it's what ya got...
For what it’s worth, Federal did introduce a .22 defense round for those that do carry a .22 for defense.
Well yeah, nobody said not available, they said, it's expensive.
It's not terribly expensive....about $10 for 50 rounds. It is very reliable and does pretty damn good in ballistic gel
Yeah buddy just ordered the Federal .22 LR self defense rounds for his Ruger pistol. Definitely higher priced, but affordable compared to normal .22 LR rounds. I am looking forward to try them out at the range.
I saw that review. I have some stingers-150 of them. I am going to hold on to them for sure. I think the round you are talking about-Federal?? I forgot the name-Flat nose etc. They will if placed properly stop a threat. I would not want to bet my life on it. My aim is not great. I have had many injuries-surgical and traumatic. No matter how hard I try, competition is out of the question for me. Thank God I have never wanted to "Professionally Compete".
Yeah those Punch rounds, they're great in the right gun. It can crack slides on smaller pistols like the beretta Bobcat and PT22. Recommended in revolvers and bigger .22s
My wife is 75 years old with rheumatoid arthritis in her hands. Got her a Ruger Mark IV and have taken her to the range repeatedly for familiarization and practice. She can hit her target consistently and I would rather give her a gun that she can handle proficiently than one that she can't.
In situations like that ya just take what ya got better to be safe then dead
the mark iv is heavy, or at least mine is. id opt for something lighter.
Get her something lighter like a Taurus tx22 . That mark 4 is a brick haha
I wouldn't personally... but regardless of the caliber, the human body aint made to take a bullet🤷🏾💯
ruclips.net/video/1pSVn7ozXTQ/видео.html 9 & 10 drywall penetration from 22lr pistol...my case closed
Well some people survived bullets from AK
That is a fact
@@beerman9807 I can tell by your name that you didn't put too much thought in your comment 😂😂😂💯
Never heard of a bad guy asking what caliber the bullets were that were flying his way.
The bigger the bullets, the better your chances he'll never get to ask.
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99% of aggressors will run at the sight of any gun pointed in their direction.
It's better than nothing, but criminals who are committing crimes against you will habe adrenaline pumping thru them and a couple .22s don't cause nearly enough damage at first to stop a threat dead in their tracks, usually. Especially if they are high on drugs.
@@keithgraham9547
Right. Trying to predict the outcome of a self defense encounter based upon caliber is foolish, too many variables.
I do want to increase my chances every way I can, though.
I might only get one shot to survive.
Sitting in my living room with a Ruger LCP .22 in my jeans pocket right now, and it feels no different from the phone when it is in the other pocket. When I go to the store this morning I’ll walk to my car and drive away. No need to get my other pistol, put on a holster, and make a bunch of preparations. If I’m attacked in the parking lot, I can assure you that with 11 rounds of .22 available, a couple of hits will stop the threat enough for me to escape…which is the whole point.
Im going to get we that Ruger LCP 2
Exactly!
I got shot by a friend with a Marlin 60, 22LR. Hit in buttocks, couldn’t stand or walk and 3 surgeries. It’s a powerful round kinda.
Damn
I assume he's not a friend anymore? Or he at least lost a tooth or two that day.
You should go by Forrest Gump. Shot right in the buttocks.
Now thats a pain in the ass 😆😖
A 22 Will shoot through a car door a dog bite at any body part will put the body in shock they use 22 point blank to kill farm animals it’s the true under dog cal
When you need a gun, the only thing that matters is that you have a gun.
Yes yes yes. Any firearm gives you a fighters chance.
I would saying being somewhat proficient with it and having some ammo helps too
@@jonathansingleton7147 Well no shit, that's a given captain obvious.
He was talking caliber choice not being ipmortant.
Most bad guys will run when something goes bang. I don’t think they will be waiting to see if it was a .22 lr.
@@gilbertrtf2195 Unless they are truly suicidal.
do not underestimate a 22, I served in Vietnam 1968-1971 when I got back to the states I always carried a 22 revolver and still do, never had a jam.
Thank you for your service :)
@@mynamemeanspeace thankyou so much I would do it again..
@@ironjohn5914 Nowadays, we can't even get people to go to work.
@@larryhinze that's the Truth!!!
Keep a .22lr revolver im my truck. It's the cheapest gun i own and is very reliable. Good backup for days i dont holster carry.
After Vietnam, some of us ex-military were far too "conditioned" to come home; however, work was readily available as private contractors in other parts of the world. Just my opinion... a silenced .22LR auto is lightweight to carry, and proved reliably effective for up close & personal dispatching.
But it made poor self defense weapons when it's do or die because your opponent will not go down within first shots into their centre mass like 9mm or above can guaranteed.
@@sys3248 no caliber guarantees they go down with a couple center mass shots, hell I've seen someone shot in the face a couple times with 9mm and still posed a threat for a few more rounds. when it's do or die shot placement is key, caliber is trivial unless their decked out in armored masks and plate carriers. though I like 45 myself, doesn't matter if it's acp or lc their both great.
@@daltongarrett7117 i don't. I've shot charging bear in the center mass with 2-3 shots of 9mm and it went down. 22lr didn't even kill a buck i shot couple times closer.
Frankly I've never seen people or animal doesn't went down shot by 9mm more than twice in their centre mass unless they're wearing body armor. Outside 50m maybe but if you're 50m apart with your assailants you can just chosen to run away.
@@sys3248 where did you shoot the poor buck??? there isn't a skull in north america thick enough to stop a close range .22lr smh
@@victoria-renevazquez3652 from side to the center mass. No i don't aimed at head since it's zooming by. Someone else's hunt.
Carry what you're most proficient with. End of story.
Go shoot 10k 22 and 10k of ANY center fire cartridge. Reliability will be absolutely not comparable. It will be obscenely one sided. Center fire is incredibly reliable 22 isnt full stop.
@Communists are Gross 22lr or .223?
@Communists are Gross I'm a cz fanboy but I agree walther are amazing, and 22 def kills the most but it's because it's cheap and still lethal, and I still wouldn't bet my life on it unless it was the only option.
So a BB gun will work?
@@skywalker3760 223 is centerfire and although its technically a 22 caliber they are exceedingly reliable and incredibly effective more than doubling 22lrs fps out of similar barrels. Very few 223 pistols that are concealable, I don't really consider it anything less than an intermediate cartridge.22lr is absolutely capable of being fired out of a small concealed handgun but still has the issues I mentioned.
A friend of mine was getting the shake down by some mexican federales back in the 80's. Long story short they drew down on him and he did too(not advisable😬). The CPT said, "all you got is that .22?"...buddy said, "yep, just a .22". They got in their jeep and drove away. My uncle said he passed last year at 86 years old. Two months prior to this Juan was in his favorite bar. Some guys pull knifes on him over some BS. Story has it Juan had one hand on his whiskey and the other on the same .22. Calmly said, " you push I pull". They walked away. Legend has it Juan's balls and his .22 have been bronzed and still on display in Zapata, TX
Love that!
The .22 (or .32, .380, .25 or whatever) that you have in your pocket, beats the .45 in the safe so they say…
45/10mm is big, but slow fps and has less range then a 9mm fmj
I tell people this all the time. Even buddies trying to get me to believe their 40 and 45s are better than my 9mm. I wouldn't carry unless it was small and comfortable. Also, no one wants to get shot by any caliber. 99% needs met by just drawing the firearm and never firing
Exactly. I get shit for carrying a .32 ACP. But my CCW is always with me in my formerly empty front pocket. It goes right in with a DeSantis pocket holster as easily as my wallet. Hell it is even the size of my wallet. Everyone I know with a CCL doesn't carry all the time or even stopped carrying because it's a hassle for them. They don't want to have to clip on/put on their holster, dress around the gun, carry a big uncomfortable chunky pistol, etc. One even stopped carrying his Bodyguard .380 because it became too big because he can't shoot it well without the extended magazine with grip extension because it's too snappy. The lower recoil .32 ACP doesn't require such a thing in a small pistol. The mentality of go big or carry nothing is pretty stupid. Something is always better than nothing by far.
@@shadetreemech9958 You wouldn't man? I would strap a big .45 SAA with a 7.5 inch barrel on my side like the old west if it didn't freak people out. Once a man starts carrying, hard to go back to not.
25 ACP and .32 ACP. The problem is that 99.99% of gun manufacturers hasn't bother to make any new innovation/platform for these two calibers since the Cold War? For me the only "newish" 32 ACP handgun is the Kec-Tec P32(the year 1999) or you're gonna have to find milsurp 32 ACP.
I purchased a Glock 44 so I could train my nephews and their young children who just moved from “behind enemy lines”. The ability for them transfer to the larger caliber and maintain a good recoil management truly helped them. And for 400$, it was a great investment in my opinion. Great video! Thanks for what you do for us!
Who is the "enemy"?
@@brucetec6597 "Step on me harder" nanny states like California
@@brucetec6597 lol I remember seeing some guy on a forum saying he's moving behind enemy lines and his location had "chiraq" as the location. 🤣
@@jglitch0 also fitting...
@@brucetec6597 NY CT CA Want more?
I appreciate you for the work you do for the 2A community!
I carry a 22 and a 38 sometimes. Those are the two I feel comfortable with and I am happy with it.
Knowing what you can shoot well, reliably, is much more important than carrying something you're unsure of. 👍
I am guessing that nobody wants to get shot with a .22. It works in that sense.
My buddy used to say "It's better than throwing rocks." I mean you can't argue with that, but against multiple assailants I don't want a mouse gun 🤷
They hold more rounds. Once you get shot with the first you already know the person is willing to shoot you how many more do you think you're going to want.
I'd rather be shot with a .22 over 9mm. I'd also carry a 25 if only gun had.
I love Noir's content. But he completely missed one point. In most self defense situations one shot is enough(Not talking about LE here). People do not know what caliber they are being shot at with and don't want to hang around to find out.
@@timothyowens1728 My Springfield HellCat in 9mm holds the same amount as his .22, so not necessarily.
I used to be a paramedic. Most of the shootings we had were small caliber, 9mm and smaller. You’d be surprised how many bodies we found by following a blood trail, only had one patient die in the house he was shot in. Usually it was a walk, or they went to the hospital by themselves. Everyone of them said they were cleaning or practicing with the gun and it went off. No, I wasn’t robbing a house, accidentally shot myself. Lol. The bulk of the gsw’s that we found out what caliber was used was…… .22lr. Criminals love cheap little guns that they can throw away. Or that’s what I encountered here in WV.
Colion Noir: "modern guns help mitigate recoil".
Me: " Understood, 500 S&W for edc".
Ah you also are attacked by gun wielding sumo wrestlers!
had a navy buddy ask me about conceal carry pistols then told me he was seriously thinking about buying a desert eagle chambered in 50 AE and using that has his CCW. he is a VERY small guy (like height wise) and i honestly think that it would be interesting to see just not practical.
The DE50 can be practical as a CCW , as long as you have the right holster. I wear a Alien Gear IWB for my DE50. Holster gives the pistol a very small print profile.
It is better than nothing but if you had the choice what’s the smallest you’d recommend? Anything smaller than a 38?
@@rocket_goblin7755 Now when you say "VERY small guy" do you mean small enough that you'd have to pick him up off the ground after he fired it🤔?
I like the videos where you talk about things like this, what you should carry, tactics, etc.
1:10 .22 isn’t referring to mm, .22 is referring to a fraction of an inch. When converted to mm, .22 ammo is 5.6mm
Yeah, that drove me nuts.
at 0:09 also. Oopsies on the editor's part
Yeah that had me chuckling
Damn autocorrect.
22mm would be like 2 50bmg's in missionary. Passionate missionary.
The weird thing is 5.56 (.223) rifle round has almost the same diameter of .22
The mob used .22 & .25’s for hits on a regular basis. Seemed to work for them.
The .25 is a center fire round and the .22 is rimfire. A lot less reliable. The mob used .38 special in both revolvers and 1911s way more than .22s
Point blank, usually when the guy wasn't looking... That's different from 2-3 goons ambushing you.
Because rimfires also make grenades when put inside bottles
close range point blank assassination is not the same situation as self defense.
There's a great deal of difference between a mobbed up button-man executing a dirty rat with a 22 to the earhole and panic mag-dumping 15 rounds of nine at the dude trying to mug you in the Walmart parking lot.
I’ve always felt like carry what you can in the situation you’ll be in. If the only thing you can conceal is a .22 pocket gun, it’s better than nothing. Chances are, you won’t have to use it if you know how to act and avoid dangerous situations.
You'd be surprised when somebody's becoming combative and you sit there and throw pistol they're not thinking about what size caliper they just see a gun and if it goes bang that's enough
@@ehrenkrause9861 Just carry 2 mags and don't worry about stopping power. If they can withstand 20 rounds then you better run.
@@RealMTBAddict 😂 like a swarming of bee's.
I wonder how many people go looking for dangerous situations...
@@howardanderton4525 you’d be surprised. Last year when the riots (I mean peaceful protests) were going on there was a protest in my town. We were on the way back from vacation and my father in law was riding with me, I was pulling my camper. He wanted to ride through all of it and see what was going on. I explained to him that I try to stay out of situations where I might have to hurt someone. Or worse. I also avoid dangerous areas and parts of town. A lot of people aren’t. So then they run a higher risk of being put in a bad situation.
Fifty years later I can still hear my father, "A .22 is all you need if you know how to use it".
I say the biggest con is the reliability of a rimfire cartridge, I've had easily multiplicities more failures in .22lr than out of any decent 9mm or any other center fire round.
Do you buy a lot of Remington Golden Bullets?
My first thought went to the reliability as well.
Are you talking about bulk .22? Lots of people assume .22 isn't reliable because all they shoot is bulk .22. Lucky Gunner did a test. It really isn't as unreliable as people think. Because the majority of people experience failure with bulk, Not the expensive stuff. As a .22 target shooter I have never had the good stuff fail. Only bulk.
.25acp? Just as much as a "meh" factor...
@@Kraigmire #KadetKit22LR
I love my Glock 44 in 22lr. It’s basically the same as a Glock 19. I can shoot a 300 rounds of 22lr compared to 50 rounds of 9mm at 20 dollars. The fundamentals are the same and it’s easy to transition between the 2 for training
I bought a Glock 44 a few months ago and this things eats anything I throw at it. 1000+ rounds later no issues.
You can NOT shoot 300 rounds for 20 bucks.
@@romak4756 just because YOU can't, don't mean other ppl don't have a ammo source.
@@187misfitsspade I have ammo, plus a source. Show me evidence where you can purchase 22lr for 5 or 6 cents a round. Go ahead and look, don't be ignorant about what's going on around you
@@romak4756 I get 22lr for 6c at Walmart when they have it
I've carried 22LR before. A lot of critics of it, however nobody was willing to stand in front of it.
I have a Ruger SR 22 and it’s so accurate and reliable sometimes I think I could carry it because of that.
Love that piece!
You aren't the first person I've heard say this. I've had bad experiences with the sr22. I've ran every kind of ammo from top to bottom tier and still had an issue with f2fs. When it runs its a fun banger to bang no doubt. I will stick with my trusty G19s or 19x when it comes to edc.
@@oncemoreintothefray2766 agreed, for the same footprint if not a little smaller id much rather carry my 43x with 11 rounds of 9mm or my Glock 30 in the colder months. I just couldnt trust my life to a rimfire handgun
of course because it is ruger
I've got a Ruger Mark II, I've got brand new in 1983. I've never had a problem with it. My wife has hand problems and and carrier a Ruger LCR 22 long rifle. Holds 8 rounds no hammer, no slide, and easy to conceal. If you can't use a gun you carry, it does no good. At about 25 feet, she can put all 8 in about a 10 inch group in under 15 seconds. It's time for her to start working on multiple targets. 4 in one, and 4 in the other, then 3, 3, and 2 with 3 targets. I let her pick her gun, I've shot it a few times, and it's a good little gun for her with her hand problems. It's better than nothing.
I carry a Ruger LCP ll in 380. She can't pull the slide back on mine.
Thanks for laying out a balanced choice for using a 22 lr. Personally I am not as concerned with carry as I am home defense. My view is that it makes a good backup for the home. It is not to be underestimated, especially in my Ruger 22 lr target pistol. My 357 magnum revolver is my primary gun at home.
Interesting video! Having seen enough deaths from GSWs I wish to politely state that a GSW from a .22 LR that hits the human body squarely anywhere is going to stop an assailant or anybody else. These lead bullets deform and skid about in the body. This causes severe tissue damage and bleeding that requires surgery to stem the bleeding and to repair trauma. What do those people mean when they tout stopping power? They ought to spend a month in the emergency room at Cook County Hospital. The terrible destructive power of the .22 is it's slower velocity causes it to slow down faster would a 9mm and lacerating the tissues. But probably, all things considered, the worst caliber to be shot with a close range would probably be the .38 special standard load with a semi flat lead bullet. Such a bullet developing drag factor in the human body tears the he'll out of human tissue. A more powerful round might cause less tissue damage. Go to medical school and opt for emergency medicine at a county hospital in a big city and see for yourself?
Did any of you guys ever see the Lucky Gunner video, where Chris*, I think his name is, ran like 1500 rounds through a S&W AR15-22? 500 rounds were soaked in salt water for 24 hours. 500 rounds were tumbled in a brass tumbler for several hours, I think and 500 rounds were also somehow mistreated** for a period of time. He ran all 1500 bullets through his AR with zero malfunctions of any kind. They were all CCI Minimags, I think.
* Chris Baker
** I checked myself. The third group of 500 were a control group of untampered ammo.
I have shot CCI mini mags in a Marlin mod 60, a Remington pump action, a Heritage Rough rider revolver, and a Ruger Wrangler revolver. In 40+ years, and over 10000 rounds, I had one misfire, that when rotated, fired.... and one dud, no powder. I have had a couple failure to feeds in the Marlin when it was new, mainly from other ammo that I tried to see what the gun liked. It loves CCI, and still doesnt feed other ammo right. And can shoot the bottom out of a pop can at 100yrds in the Marlin. The lady likes what the lady likes...😉
Chris Baker. He does great, honest reviews with no BS. Has produced several vids on "Pocket Pistols" and performance tests on .22 ammo -- unfortunately, it did not include Federal PUNCH at the time.
Paul Harrel did a similar test using various .22 rounds. Very few failures.
@@delmaxfield860: I like Chris. He’s very methodical and occaisionally, hilarious.
@@restey5979: I might have seen that one. Paul does great videos. I like the “high tech fleece bullet stop.”
22 ammo seems to be less heavy on quality control unless you pay for the self-defense rounds from more competent manufacturers. I love CCI.
My Beretta and HK 416 💘 CCI Mini Mags
Yep
Same
That is just one reason for carrying a revolver of any caliber, and not a semi-auto - just keep pulling the trigger. No matter what, in a real serious firefight confrontation, handguns are only of value to fight yer way to a rifle, or even a shotgun.
Veteran Police Officer here with advanced firearms and tactical training . I have watched several of your posts.
You do good work . Bravo !
I think about my home intruder. A 6'6" 25YO 275lb "DRUGGED UP maniac" that I shot with a 255gr LFN 45 Long Colt, - diagonally up thru the torso, that got stomach, diaphragm, liver and lung; tore the percardial sack, missed the heart by less than 20mm. He never made a sound, never stumbled, staggered or indicated he'd been hit. HE WALKED OUT OF THE HOUSE. 20 minutes later resisted arrest some hundred feet distant from the site standing by his car rummaging thru the trunk Got all the subpoenaed medical reports..
I could be wrong but I'd suggest, that if your attacker might be on drugs (which is a better than 50/50 bet these days) you might consider carrying some more serious heat than any 22..He wont be like Pres Reagan in 1981.
“...you might consider carrying some more serious heat than a 22...”
You mean like a 45 LC? Would that work?
If you missed the pericardial sac by 20mm, that is a clean miss of the heart, isn't it?
Or was it just a typo?
@@doughesson Read it again ! I said - IT TORE - THE PERCARDIAL SAC. (That is how the medical report stated it.i The report also stated the distance from the heart. You wanna come proof read the reports yourself.? Altho, I suppose the St Agnes medical facility couldve been as inept and incompetent as the Anne Arundel Kounty Keystone Kops were.!!!
PS I dont need to flog this thread to death.!
READ and do whatever you like. I simply gave a warning from my experience. OK??
@@gregshockI see the comedic responders are out in force. LOL
I passed on an experience, nothing more.
You do what ever vouchsfe you.
@Peter Angles Another comedian has logged in. LOL I simply passed on an experience.
You do whatever vouchsafe you Petie.boy.
I have a Taurus TX22, with a fiber optic front sight and a 19 round magazine (+3 baseplate). It wouldn’t be my first choice for a carry gun, but it would be a considered.
I am always amazed when people claim .22 isn’t dangerous. There are a lot of homicide victims killed by .22’s. from head shots and chest wounds.
anything is better than nothing.....great video Sir, thanks for sharing the information.....Paul
"i'd rather bring a knife to a gun fight than show up empty handed" as i always say.
but its about what you (the operator) feel comfortable with. and if that is a .22, then just be prepared to keep squeezing.
In 2019 I was at a gun shop where 3 old women were talking about getting .22 pistols for self-defense specifically the ruger sr22 ones in pink or teal. One even mentioned keeping it as a "car gun". They were determined to get .22 cal pistols instead of anything else. The woman helping them pretty much gave up trying to convince them. Guess cause they're old and its easier to shoot or cause ammo was cheaper.
Most old women 55 yrs and older do not have the hand strength to even rack anything bigger than a 22, much less shoot anything bigger. I know My Mom has 8 sisters( not to mention all the cousins I have). None were capable of shooting anything bigger than a 22 once they hit 50 yrs old.
@@spartanx169x Same
I think it’s good they were trying to get anything at all that shoots.
Depending on how old it may have been due to how hard it is to rack back other handguns. I worked at a gunshop for a while and had many older people want 22lr cause of bad arthritis had poor hand strength.
These sort of people are why the S&W Shield EZ .380ACP and 9mm models exist and is rapidly gaining popularity.
I carry a 22 in my rotation just because I can. I started buying nothing but CCI ammo several years ago. With a Ruger SR 22, an LCP II and a Phoenix HP 22 I can honestly say I have not had a failure since
The SR-22 .22LR was designed to carry and ever in an event and encounter one of those “hard-case” rounds the 2nd strike capability quickly solves that problem. It’s in my carry rotation as well as I can dump shots in a quarter of the time compared to centerfire of any caliber, and ON TARGET out to 50 feet. A .22LR is as dependable as a user practices and ranges his platform. I still like my .40S&W.
In addition to "stopping power" and reliability, there's also legality. A .22 revolver with 8 shots looks a hell of a lot better to a jury than a 9mm 2011 with an extended 24 round magazine, a tuned trigger, and a dot. Not saying its right, but we do have to live in the real world where most people are ignorant about guns.
The state prosecutor will have a field day with you having a 9mm or 45
This is why they say to use the smallest and cheapest round poss for self defense.
At the end, the judge and jury carry your fate.
I have been telling people for years to stop modifying their sidearms and just stay stock out of the box, a local got convicted some years back because he thought modding his glock would be bada**, the prosecutor convinced the jury that doing so made him out looking for a fight.
@ modifying the gun is looking for trouble ??? 🤣
@@ACommenterOnRUclips Anti gun prosecutors see them as easy convictions.
Ive seen many people killed with a single shot from a .22 and people survive multiple shots from a 9mm. I carry 40 grain high velocity .22s as a result. (Easily penetrates winter clothing by the way) I still carry my off duty .40cal even though Im retired now but I would never underestimate a .22 if it were pointed at me. (Retired Tx LEO)
Always appreciate comments from former/current LEOs...thank you.
You've seen "many"?
So I guess a .22LR has some special property that a 9mm does not that you are implying makes the .22LR more lethal than a 9mm. Can you share what this is, please?
@@kevinguthmiller8510 Man his comment went way over your head lmao. He didn’t imply that at all. Let me break it down for you.
He simply said he’s seen people die from one shot of .22LR and also seen people survive multiple shots of 9mm. Implying that a .22LR can 100% be effective in self defense and it’s all about shot placement and the shooter. Moral of the story: Don’t underestimate a .22LR.
No where in his comment did he imply .22LR is more effective than 9mm.
@@dwells3536 no, I highlit a fallacy. Just because in some circumstances a .22 proved to be fatal and a 9mm wasn't, does not in any way make.an argument that a .22LR is better than -- or even acceptable-- compared to a 9mm. There may be reasons in some circumstances that a
22 is okay, but the argument from the OP is not a valid one.
@@kevinguthmiller8510 My guy, did you even read my comment?🤦♂️
There are some good .22 LR revolvers out there, and that could mitigate some of the reliability factor. A Ruger LCR or LCRx could be a good option.
I love my Ruger LCR 22LR. And am definitely going to carry it at least as my back-up, if not my primary. I am accurate with it and it’s easy to carry and conceal. And I like the fact that the ammo is relatively inexpensive (at least for training) and that I have a lot of it. And that the ammo is also easy to carry.
And since one of other revolvers is my Ruger LCR in 38 Sp, it seems logical to have this one also.
The .22 LCR is a winner!
I have carried a .22 as my SD pistol. Nothing the size of yours, of course. If I was going to carry a piece that large, it would be in a meaningful caliber.
An EDC .22 has 2 points of value.
1: it's all you have. If you can't afford better, you're stuck. Note, ammo cost doesn't factor here. Sure, .22 is cheap. But if you're relying on it to save your life, you had better be practicing. A lot! If you can't make tiny targets dance, you're not going to be able to reliably make hits to the much smaller zones of lethality the .22 offers.
2: You need an ultra tiny deep concealable handgun. I had a dangerous job were I was nevertheless prohibited from carrying. So getting caught meant unemployment. Of course, not having the means to protect myself meant that being unemployed may well become the least of my problems. A micro .22 in a back pocket with a square of leather bound cardboard looked like a wallet unless you stuck your hand in the pocket. And I practiced both the draw and hitting small targets with that pistol. A lot!
I'd still rather have had something more meaningful.
A .22LR is good to use if you just don't want to worry about having big holes in your wall in case you miss or hit and it passes through the arm or leg into the wall. You miss with a shotgun and you're going to need a new wall. Also, the .22LR will save your hearing.
Carry a .22 if you want. Simple.
When you carry a 22 you have 2 vital target points THE HEAD AND HEART. I have developed a medical problem with my back and hips and I carry a large capacity 22 in a quality gun and it works I also always keep a large caliber 9mm and .380 always close at hand so I can access it and use it in an emergency.
So my aunt killed my uncle in self defense with a 22 revolver that had 2/5 active rounds in the cylinder. Hit him on the left side in the shoulder and the ribs.. He was about 6ft 200 lbs. He hit the floor and died. The people who argue that a 22 is much different than basically any other handgun and it won't stop someone simply don't know what they're talking about
One of the best gun RUclips videos ever. You are very careful, and well spoken on all your videos thanks for the amazing content and keep them coming we will watch them.
Except for the .22mm graphic.
Well spoken? No need to say that to a Black man because he isn’t talking Ebonics.
Good advice; helpful, realistic and practical! A revolver like Ruger's LCR in .22 lr could be better for some people. Some may want to explore the .22 magnum option.
Nope. 22 mag is about the worst of all possible worlds. Little more energy than .22LR but much louder (almost more distracting than recoil) and MUCH harder to get to cycle reliably in an automatic. Only time I'd choose .22mag is when "its better than nothing". The further problem is, in many situations it is NOT better than nothing because the holder may have more inclination to pull iron and fight than RUN, which is the far better option in most situation. A gun is always the LAST resort.
@@lenzielenski3276 never seen an automatic revolver...
@@lenzielenski3276 wtf are you talking about!!
@@charliekiger Huh???
@@jimb7816 The subject is the suitability of 22's as a self defense caliber (read the title), if you are able.
I agree with you!! Thanks for acknowledging the disabled individuals and the possibilities for physically not having the ability to use larger calibers. As a result of my disabilities, I have sold my center fire handguns. The hardest thing I've done. But, on the plus side, I was able to purchase some things I wanted for a while now. I actually have some quality knives and a few new AR rifles and a new AR 22 pistol as well!!
I’m getting ready to pick up my Ruger Mark IV .22 pistol I ordered. I think I made a good purchase decision!!!
I'm with you bro.
I'm also getting to the point where I
(For physical reasons) might have to let go
of my center firearm also. Hard thing to do.
That said, a good quality 22lr, well maintained,
using good ammo (CCI), it'll get the job done.
(Smile)
Stay safe and healthy.
Peace
If I ever carried a .22 for self defense it would be a revolver. At least if I have a dud I can just pull the trigger again. Plus no feed issues.
EL AL sky marshalls were using the Beretta .22lr for years and had a few notable success in stopping incidents where terrorists were armed with AK's
Stopping power is really "trauma reaction." When a person gets shot it does take a second for the trauma to register. The brain goes "oh fudge...I've been shot." The larger the projectile the more trauma it produces, thus reducing the reaction time. A well placed 22 round can kill just as fast as any other round but I don't want to bet my life on a lucky shot.
Very well put. Stopping power = trauma reaction. Many sub guns that became popular during and after ww2 were 9mm. It was immediately disliked because of the almost identical ballistics of the unpopular 38 spl. 45acp became king before ww2 but nobody liked carrying rounds that weighed more than 30.06 and were less effective. The revolver with 357 or 44 became the carry gun just for the reason of delivering trauma.
Now we've gone full circle again. Rounds on target to stop, or a round on target to deter. Is your attacker rational or delirious.
A lady approached a Texas Ranger at a dress event. He had on a dress leather side holster with a scalloped revolver. She said, are you expecting trouble? No mam, if I were I would have my rifle!
@@michaelvangundy226 Lol...and several magazines 👍🏻
what if you have 18 shots?
Then shoot a lot more IG?
@@michaelvangundy226 And yet the Russian PPsh subgun in caliber 7.62x25 was very well thought of in that war...
I am very satisfied with my Ruger LCR in 22. I have put literally thousands of rounds through it. There were four to five failures to fire out of all those rounds. Its a revolver, I simply pulled the trigger again to get a "pop". It is rugged, light beyond belief and holds eight rounds. I use it EDC in my weak side pocket as a backup to my 9mm. Great little gun!
totally agree, if you are going to carry a 22 get a revolver, the LCR is great
Its my edc. I shoot 1000 rounds a montj. Way more then any other caliber or gun
I have 4 lcr. .357 .327 .22lr 9mm
@@granitejeepc3651 I have 6 Speedbeez reloaders for my little LCR. Like you I put more rounds through it than anything else. I have a very high competence and level of comfort with it.
I have seen a ad from Federal that has a new personal protection 22LR round available. They say that they have found a need for 22LR used as backup and folks with medical issues.
.22 caliber through the heart is still a bullet through the heart. People often underestimate the dangers of smaller caliber munitions. I mean a .22lr isn't something to ignore. There was a study done by one police department which came to the conclusion of where/how many times you were struck mattered more than the caliber/size of the round you were hit by. So the lethality of a firearm doesn't dramatically change from caliber to caliber.
Excellent review! Great points made here!
Agree!
Next video... "Why you should carry a 22lr for self defense".
I have a P17 16+1 for the ambidextrous hold, mag release, and safety. So far, my first gun and it loves CCI high velocity rounds.
*"I carry a Keltec PMR-30 22 Magnum with hollow points. I shot a 55 gallon metal drum with it and the entrance hole was almost as big as a 45 acp! My PMR30 holds 30 rounds. I prefer my 1911 double stack but the 30 round capacity wins out!"*
Pmr 30 all the way....lol. 😁👍
@@miked4152 I sometimes carry my 1911 for back up; but I ordered two extra magazines from Keltec and so things will be looking pretty dark if I go through 120 rounds and have to take my back up
@@f.puttroff4470 lol right.
And it weighs almost nothing ,
@@mynameisnobody5462 A lot less than my 15 round Para Ordnance!
A quick exercise: imagine that you’ve fully loaded every reasonably carry-sized handgun that you own and laid them all on a table in front of you, including 22s. Here comes the fun part - imagine, while you’re standing there, someone kicks in your front door. Which gun do you grab? That’s the one you should carry.
Easy...the one I have the most proficiency, confidence and experience with.
That’s a good thought process to think about what you would prefer to use. But, for anyone that has that many and are proficient with them, if the situation were to happen, they would grab whichever is closest to there firing hand.
Which one is closest to me?
Honestly? I grab the Glock 17 or 19. But while that is a great exercise in theory, sometimes I want my carry to be thinner so 90 percent of the time I carry a SW Shield 2.0 in 45 acp. But someone barging in the door with all loaded doesn't take into account what I'm wearing, or the activity I would be doing on any given day.
I would just pick the biggest one. So, it all comes down to the definition of 'reasonable size' at least for me.
I’m glad you covered this subject. My wife is tiny, 5’1” tall and 98lbs at first she was finding difficult to cock compact frame 9mm pistols for EDC so I had her try a few .22’s. They were much easier to cock/rack the slide but we, mostly her didn’t care for certain inherent features of carrying a rimfire pistol. They get dirty and can foul up way faster compared to center fired rounds, yes the recoil is less but if you can shoot at .22 you can shoot a 9mm. I had bought my wife a Glock G44 and it’s Glock through and through but after 150 rounds it was shooting off paper and not cycling properly
Same here , my wife didn’t have strong enough hand strength to rack a 9mm or even a 380 . I ended up getting her a Ruger LCP 22LR pistol which she absolutely loves . She’s put close to 500 rounds with no problem on it .
that's the problem...you bought a glock 44 for her just because it's a glock...it's a piece of shit 22lr handgun. tx22 is more reliable when it comes to semi. wheel guns are even more reliable.
I'm a retired Deputy Sheriff. Worked patrol in a high crime, inner city neighborhood. I carried a NAA .22 revolver as a last ditch weapon. My primary weapon was a Beretta 92F with my backup either a 2" .38 caliber revolver or a 9mm HK P7.
I personally wouldn't carry a .22 as my primary CCW but if that's all you have, it's better than nothing. I certainly wouldn't want to be shot by a .22.
I have a 9mm Shadow System in my backpack, and I pocket carry Ruger LCP II 22lr everywhere I go. It's not just old people, I have arthritis in my right wrist, 9mm or even 380 acp would hurt my wrist. 22lr has no recoil and I can follow up with my shots. I practice clearing malfunction as an anticipation for 22lr's unreliability.
Looking to get the Ruger LCP II Lite Rack for a while as a pocket pistol. What bullets do you carry when you have it on you?
@@luxnova8211 I carry Aguila supermaximun hollow point 1700fps. Ruger recommends CCI mini mag, but I read reviews and comments that it works for some but not everyone's LCP II 22lr. Generally speaking, the faster ammos work better with LCP II. The bulk and cheap stuff have higher chance of light primer strike. You need to test out what your particular LCP II likes and hates. Galloway Precision and M-Carbo have upgrades. I ordered Galloway Precision 's trigger and spring kits that would improve reliability (hammer hits 10% stronger and 10% decrease in firing pin to better strike power) and accuracy. I will use M-Carbo's trigger spring to reduce trigger pull, but stay away from using their hammer and firing pin springs because they make slide easier to pull but also reduce striking power, which makes the gun less likely to send off faster bullets. I am keeping the polymer guiding rod. Stainless one is heavier, which would slow the slide and cause it to be more ammo sensitive. Keeping the gun clean and wet would also increase reliability. There is a threaded barrel kit available for suppressor. That's more for just having fun because it would make the gun more unreliable, as shown on a review video on RUclips. I will get two additional magazines. The original box only comes with one. This is for additional ammo and clearing malfunction.
@@dhsu04 Thanks so much, I'll look into that.
All good points. I’m retired LEO. In 2003 I took a round from this exact pistol. The round grazed the edge of my ballistic vest and penetrated the rib cage. The bullet traveled between the inside of the rib cage captured between bone and membrane (think silver skin on ribs) and exited my right scapula. Two important observations. #1 I didn’t even know I had been shot for over a minute, #2 the round traveled completely through my body, chest to scapula lodging just under the skin in my shoulder. Did not disable me, but remarkable penetration. I do own and occasionally carry this firearm. I have the bullet to this day. Never your first best choice, but good compliment to a pocket knife. P.s. the extent of my injuries included a few stitches, a broken rib and a bandaid. Consider your options carefully.
I was a security guard at a local gas station my partner and I got into it with some kids robbing the store he was shot with a 9mm in one arm pit and out the other and a similar story he too didn't know he had Ben shot and was up walking around when ems arrived they couldn't believe he had Ben shot in the chest and was up and joking about it.
I had a 22 Walther. I had so many misfires that I sold the gun. It was completely unreliable. It just didn’t have the energy to rack the slide reliably.
i still have mine , i purchased it back in 2019 and had problems with , i did return it to Walther and they fixed it but its still very particular about the ammo i feed it.
Same for my Taurus. I pulled it on a possum eating one of my chickens, and it wouldn't fire. Glad it wasn't someone trying to kill me.
@@jeffdollar1646 Did the possum laugh at you? I Never had a problem with my Taurus TX22.
I own a Walthar p22. It's a POS pistol. Please don't judge all .22 pistols based on the Walthar. That F.N. Colion is sporting in this video will probably be my next .22 pistol. I've got a suppressor and a threaded barrel is a must.
@@MrWeliz It did until I retrieved my 9mm Carbine while my dog kept him occupied. His laughing face suddenly turned to utter fear and dismay.
If/ when arthritis stops me from enjoying a 45 or 9mm or 38/357 revolver, I’ll certainly be carrying a .22. I used to carry Beretta 21A Bobcats when concealment was really important and have also shot a lot of rimfires out of S&W revolvers, I understand the practical importance of keeping my .22s especially the chambers clean. Great video featuring the FN 502 and what sounds like practical reliability.
I retired as a LEO in a large metro area. Two cases. A 16 year old was walking down the street and a drive by killed him with one .22 to the neck. Second, same situation, gangbanger walking down the street and was shot with ELEVEN 9mm rounds throughout his body. When I arrived he was still talking. Taken to the hospital and was released to go back home 8 days later.
If any idiot thinks an.22 can’t kill, I have a bridge I’d like sell you. This is an old and stupid discussion that pops up every once in a while.
A: If that's the only loaded firearm you can get... And you will use it if you must to defend innocent life.
I love my S&W M&P 22 Compact. Since it was my first gun, I have been using it for training. Make sure to get good 22lr cartridges, though. I made the mistake of getting cartridges with unplated bullets and ended up lead fouling my bore. The gunsmith was able to get it clean, but lesson learned!
22 has its place in self defense. I always recommend going to the bigger caliber or more popular. But it all comes down to training. Doesn’t matter if it’s a 22 with 10 rounds, or a 9mm with 20. If you can’t land rounds on target, it’s already a lost fight. The only down side, 22 can be spotty compared to other calibers when it comes to reliability. Both with ammo, finicky with being slight dirty, the cartridge can bend fairly easily in a jam.
But it’s better then nothing at all. So yes, it’s a viable self defense cartridge, just not the best, but you could do much worse.
Um, I carry a. 22 for self defense.... 😏 Mainly because I struggle with many of the other guns because of a bone deformity in my wrist, one of my bones is too short. I can't always pull back and chamber a bullet, and some revolvers are too heavy to hold or to hard to pull the trigger. Plus the recoil is better on the .22, so easier for me to fire more than 3 times.
Try the .380 smith and Wesson EZ my grandma with arthritis uses it. It is super easy to rack the slide pretty light recoil. And has more stopping power. i hope this helps.
Have you tried the smith and wesson EZ Shield 380? Those are amazing.
The EZ shield is super easy to reload and rack, it's made for people that have a tough time handling firearms
That sucks sorry but a trick on racking the slide too chamber a round. Don't try too just pull the slide back but use the other hand too push the frame of the gun forward at the same time so your using the strength of 2 hands simultaneously. I taught my sons too shoot very young and they weren't strong enough that's how I showed them .
check the NAA revolvers i have 2 and my mom carriers one in 22 mag
Considering the main benefits from a performance standpoint for .22 is low recoil and high capacity, I’d carry a 5.7x28mm pistol like the FN Five seveN. Also a .22 caliber, but going much faster so it has enough penetration to get through heavy clothing, it’s centerfire and therefore more reliable, and you still have lower recoil and a higher capacity than 9mm. Also lighter weight, too, which means you can carry more ammo for the same weight or the same ammo more comfortably.
Main downside is cost, but hey, I think you’re life is worth more than $600.
Agreed, ultimately the round is up to the end user to decide what they want. A bullet is a bullet. No matter if it's a hollow point or armour piercing, 22lr or 9mm, it's going to sting really bad either way.
The main downside is the availability of the 5.7 ammo. I finally found a box today for the first time in a year.
You are spot on. The 5.7 is the one for those who love the attributes of the .22 and are comfortable with it, but also want a bit more power. The 5.7 is a very good choice for anyone, especially those accustomed to the .22
is the choice i made, but in the Ruger variety rather than FN. 20+1 and a nice feeling to use. Stagger a few Black Fang mixed in with the FN 40gr VMAX really is the answer to the .22 question, imo.
I've never shot 5.7mm but I like your points.
The recoil, noise, and slide racking capabilities are very important to someone like my wife who is very resistant to shooting my 9mm for practice, but who does like my single action .22 pistol.
My question to you is: have you compared the 5.7mm to the .380 with respect to recoil, noise, and slide racking?
If you're somewhere, and people know you have a .22 on you, they wouldn't want to fight you any more than if they knew you had a .45 instead.
Yeah, if someone is pulling out a gun, I am not going to "Oh its only a .22lr, no threat to me". Folks as a whole, watch too much TV lol
My Taurus TX22 has been fantastic as far as reliability. It shoots every type of ammo I have put thru it, has 17rd capacity and is lightweight. The under $300 price tag is also a good selling point. I got rid of my Glock 44 as it was utter trash.
That sucks about the Glock. My Glock 17 was fired out the box, zero issues. I cleaned the Tx-22 since a paper that came with it, highly recommended it. 1100 rounds of CCI MM 40 grain, no issues.
Considering I've seen a groundhog shake off a .22 from a rifle at around 50-75 yards, I'd say hell no on self defense
Hell, when I was a young man, my grandmother had trapped a large possum inside the old farmhouse and she wanted me to dispatch it.
What I thought was going to be a quick single head shot, turned into almost 10 rounds at point blank range aimed at first the head and then the vitals. It was not very happy after being shot in the head three times from that old Winchester .22 pump.
That poor bastard.
And yet the zodiac killer killer like a dozen people with .22lr. Besides, self defense happens within 10-20 yards at 75yrds I running the other way.
@@aevangel1 you must have been using .22 shorts
@@PewLand No, I am quite certain they were .22LR and it was a pretty big possum.
It is possible the rounds spent too many years in the Oklahoma humidity.
I’d rather send 2 x .22 than 1 x 9mm. As well the .22 shots would be more accurate (less recoil) and far less flash/sound disorientation.
How many people in this chat can say they actually used a 9mm in actual self defense to tell you how LOUD it was to where it disoriented you after that 1st shot ...
When i go to the run range and i stand behind my son about 2 ft when he fires that 9mm, its LOUD and you can feel the pressure
I know the old saying it "It's better than s sharp stick."
Yes theoretically. Over the last year and a half I have helped around 25 people get into guns. Normally I don't brag but considering I don't have a RUclips presence or something I'd the sort I think that's good. .22 is a good choice. Not best or decent but good in "don't carry nothing". Now almost all my recruits carry a .380 or higher now. But some were very scared of those calibers or too weak to shoot even a Shield EZ series. Those shooters are 73+ in age and s couple of terminally ill. Yes. Terminally ill people deserve the rest of their lives too. For them a 22 revolver with 8-10 shots works great.
To sum it up. I'm pro carry no matter what. Find the gun that will let you shoot and carry well. If it's just a 22 then I support you. 2A baby.
380 is a good defense round. John Browning generally knew what he was doing and invented it for self defense. I tend to carry a 22lr daily though. I just got a 380 and plan to have both in my carry rotation
You helped 25 people defend themselves, and overcome their fears. You've earned the right to brag, bud!
@@XenoZbornak Thank you man. I keep trying to wake people up. Usually once I get them to say yes to "just come to the range with me one time." They come and have a blast. I think the local gun shops and ranges help a lot too because they are the places where people are the nicest. We have to keep spreading the word. Btw I failed a lot too. But at least I tried to plant that seed. Tell everyone about how to practice their right. God bless you guys and have a great holiday season! 🙏
@@barcelona2170 Keep growing the roses of success with the ashes of each failure, my friend. You're doing great.
I’m on your tail, I got 14 new shooters to appreciate their birthright, 5 more on the fence🇺🇸
I carry 38sp+P every day, but in a sauna, carry an NAA 22 mag mini revolver under my towel in a smart carry pouch. For uses like that, it's perfect.
Excellent video. Unfortunately age has caught up with us. My wife can no longer handle a center fire handgun. I got her a G44 as she had a G19. Promag makes an 18 round mag for the G44 that works for a change. She goes through a brick a month. I gave up my G36 45ACP and went to a G26 9mm with 115 JHP and an LCR 38 spl with 148 grain wadcutters. If I need to really hide a gun I have Keltec P32. The 380 mouse guns are too hard to control. If I need power I have a heavy 357 mag revolver.
Ammo cost has gotten prohibitive so I mostly practice with 22lr. Usually an LCP2 in 22lr that is not reliable enough to carry and an LCR in 22lr that is very reliable. Would love to have the LCP2 in 32 ACP. A gem if you can find one is the Keltec P17. If I found it necessary to carry a 22lr it would be the P17 or an LCR revolver.
I worked with a guy that played pro football when he was younger and he got in a fight and someone shot him with a 22 pistol and it damn near killed him !!! One shot !! This guy was a huge strong man !!! 375 pounds of muscle !!! His hands were so big that when you shook hands his hands covered half my forearm !!! I am 6'2" and 250 lbs !!!!
Rectum? Damn near killed um. 😆
Most self defense use is going to be close range so a 22 would be effective. Look up the ballistic test and you will see which round would be good for the job.
Just about any .22 caliber gun can send a mass of bullets down range at a rapid rate while maintaining site alignment and site picture. I don't expect a perpetrator in a T-shirt, heavy coat or even a flak vest is going to be advancing on you while they are receiving multiple .22 cal impacts at center mass. Either way, the perp is going to have a bad day!
In a pinch, .22 cal is an effective deterrent.
If you want high capacity with lower recoil, then the FN Five Seven is for you. Standard 20 round capacity, 30 with a mag extender. Extender might be a bit much if you want to CC. 😁
The problem right now is finding ammo to feed it with, especially as hardly anyone made that ammo even before the scamdemic. Handloading is a problem as you have to find a source for the bullets and casings as well, plus load data and even a set of dies for it. 5.7x28mm is a fun cartridge but still too proprietary for my liking.
The fn 5.7 is good round but the fn 57 pistol gun has pretty bad reliability issues from some stuff seem.
CP 33?
@@t-bfr45-70 Well, never had a problem with mine, 500 rounds through it at the least, not one malfunction.
@@jeffumbach Since the PS90 and AR 5-7 uppers came out, 5.7 ammo has become way more common. Federal even started making it some years back, which was nice since FN are silly and won't sell 40gr FMJ to civilians.
From a quick search it seems about as available as 9mm right now. Might not seem like it to some people since there is really only the one brand, Federal, of 5.7
Personally I think the 22 LR is great for self defense, always use what
you are most comfortable and well trained with.
Biggest thing with all of the issues of reliability seems to me is all from cheap bulk loose. I've put well over 300 rounds of cheap Armscore ammo and CCI mini mags along with 200 rounds
of the new Winchester silver tip 22LR through the Walther p22 and had zero malfunctions. Then again everyone has their own experience and some guns with some rounds just don’t go as well for some I suppose, either way awesome video!
.22LR bounces around in the body. That's the lethality behind it. I took a round to my back and it broke my rib, punctured my lung, then entered my spinal column. A couple more, and God only knows what else would have happened.
There's a reason a .22 is a hit man's favorite! Damn round just goes in and then becomes a pinball.
You nailed it spot on with every point. Biggest issue is finding the right ammo. Every .22 is different even between the same brand and model. Different brands and types of ammo will feed differently firearm to firearm. You have to find the right ammo for your individual firearm.
Can’t beat CCI Stinger ammo!!!
.22 is just too much fun. I love shooting it.
In .22 I’ve got:
Ruger single six (‘54)
Ruger SR22
Nylon 66 (Apache black/chrome)
Rossi Rio Bravo (black)
I love every single one of these guns. But home defense….
12Ga for me
Here is the thing. I am retired on a fixed income and can no longer afford to stay proficient with a centerfire firearm. My ammo budget is $25 bucks a month as I have to eat and maintain some shelter and buy gasoline. That budget gives me 45 rounds of 38 special at today's prices or 270 rounds of 22lr.
I would address the reliability issue by never recommending a semi auto in 22lr. With an 8 shot revolver an ammo failure just means another pull of the trigger.
No, it's not ideal but, repeatable accurate shot placement under pressure matters more than caliber if, like me, you are forced to choose. The added bonus is as I drift toward decrepitude the .22 starts to get even more justified in my mind.
Thank you for your thoughts on this issue.
Hey. .22 is underpowered and jams to much. Love the content.
(Quick sidenote: i love shooting .22s tho)
Lets go brandon
.22 do jam a lot
@Communists are Gross projectiles kill people. 22s are unreliable, shot placement is enough with anything pretty much, but reliability will get you killed.
That greatly depends on the gun and the ammo used. I have a ruger 22 that has yet to jam with anything I have run through it, and have done multiple mag dumps. I can dump 11 rounds in about 3.5 seconds consistently. Its more than capable for 95% of self defense scenarios.
@@spartanx169x go shoot 5k out of that ruger dude. I've NEVER had even 500 22 without a malf. It's usually just a dead round, I shoot cci which isn't junk either. They get incredibly fouled, they are just physically an inferior design. You can have a very reliable gun, I'm talking the actual cartridge.. I've put 10-20k out of a 9mm without a malf if it's of good quality.
The 22 has been really misunderstood. Once they first came out and got real popular, it was and still is one of the best caliber for work and at home. Old men use to carry them in their metal construction lunch box. Still a great caliber.
I'm too lazy to Google if it's true or not, but I've heard more than once that the .22 has killed more people than any cartridge. The biggest reason for that is how common it is, but it'll still put a hole in someone all the same.
Yelp the isrealis used the bretta 21 model a 22lr during the 1960s and 70s to fight the P.L.O.
Two shooting I have seen one dead one survived. One subject shot in the chest with a .22 short out of a 2" revolver from across a front yard. DRT before he hit the ground. Second was shot point blank in the chest with a .44 magnum four-inch revolver. Survived. Placement is everything.
I've seen many "gun guy" videos testing the validity and lethality of a .22 for self defense and also watched the CVC video of that guy that did a mass shooting a while back in a mall with a .22 rifle. At the range that most self defense encounters are going to occur, being normally 3-8 yards, a .22 is absolutely viable for self defense and is easily deadly when hitting the torso. Especially when factoring in how many quick rounds you can pop off from a .22, being so easy to control. I'm a big advocate for the importance of being comfortable with your chosen fire arm for the chosen job. If you have a gun that you're nervous or scared to shoot, and find yourself in a situation where instincts, reactions and split seconds are everything, you might as well be unarmed at that point. So if you're comfortable only with something as light and easy as a .22, do it. It's not just "better than nothing", it's way way better than nothing. It's still a gun and is absolutely lethal in the situations you'd be needing it.
Mass shooters in malls are cowards who execute defenseless, unarmed people cowering in corners. They're not up against someone trying to kill them, and they're definitely not at the initiative deficit self-defenders face.
@@anonymouslee2083 well of course. They are cowardly dirt bags. My point was just that it showed the lethality of a little .22 rifle for this case of people questioning so much if it viable.
@@mynameismud888 it’s viable for murdering someone who doesn’t fight back. It’s pretty crappy at quickly putting down someone who is actively attacking you, as it needs perfect shot placement that’s not gonna happen when you’re in imminent fear for your life.
@@anonymouslee2083 I disagree. At the range that you'd be using it, center mass is all you need. A few flicks of the trigger and that person is dropping. That is exactly what I witnessed in that video. Him walking by people and putting a few rounds into them and they were done. He wasn't double tapping them and putting one in the head. As far as the tests go, I've seen plenty that show at self defense ranges it has plenty of penetration to do the work. Upgrade your ammo to .22 mag rounds and you're nearly going through your target at those ranges.
@@anonymouslee2083 again though, my point is, if it's all your comfortable with, it's the way to go. Like my 74 year old mother. A .22 is perfect for her to be able to point shoot and pepper someone coming through her apartment door and drop him. Far better than her grabbing a weapon she is terrified of yet is more powerful.
Whether a person carries one for EDC or not, .22 is a great training caliber making transition to a larger caliber for a new shooter much easier
People totally underestimate a 22lr. Thick jacket in the winter, a 22lr will go slam through it, I dont listen to anything anyone says about a 22lr bc you can see Iraqveteran8888 do a test with 22lr and it goes straight through a 2x4 piece of wood so yea im pretty sure it'll go through some clothing
Garand Thumb has a really good video on the .22 as well.
Excellent video as always. I would just like to add a little something to anyone that's taking the time to read this... There's always the . 22 WMR. That's Winchester Magnum rimfire. Gives you a little more punch. Still easy to handle. I believe Kel-Tec makes a 22 WMR pistol that has a 30 round detachable box magazine. So for those of you that perhaps don't like the 380 or the 9mm in its full size.. But don't think that the 22 LR is enough... Perhaps consider the 22 WMR. Just a little food for thought.