Skinny BJJ Beanpole Struggling to Hold Top Position on Bigger Guys
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- Today's video is in response to a question I got from a small guy who's struggling with big guys during his BJJ training. He's a self-described bean pole who's struggling to hold top position against his training partners.
He says he tries to hold mount a lot. And he also says that since he's a good guard player he often feel comfortable to just sit back and allow his opponent's to come up on top.
In today's BJJ strategy video I'll give you a few ideas to chew on regarding this situation in Brazilian Jiu-jitsu, because it's common. Keep in mind I'm not a small man. But I've still been with plenty of men much larger than I am who can throw me off if I get out of position.
I've also been coaching for over a decade and have seen how my smaller students gain the advantage over their larger opponents at time.
Now before I end this. Let me share this. I think any position can be used if done correctly. But I also believe that certain positions are easier than others for certain situations. In particular, I don't think mount is the best position against people that are much larger than you. In the video I'll explain why.
-Chewy
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I’m a pretty small guy, 68 kg and 173cm, now an adult. I’ve trained with large adults ever since I was 13 and here’s a couple of things I’ve discovered over my years of training going up against larger opponents:
1. Hunt the back relentlessly.
This is only tip that actually works no matter how big your opponent is (aside from maybe submission grappling leg locks)
2. Wrist locks.
Many people think wrist locks are just for ”prison rules” etc, but in reality if your opponent is a lot bigger than you, it’s gonna take away many of your techniques, such as triangles. With wrist locks however, it doesn’t matter how much weaker you are than your opponent you’re always going to have enough strenght to finnish your opponent.
3. Avoid mount against big opponents, avoid side control against bigger opponents.
Whist side control is decent against opponents that are a little bigger than you (20kg) you might wanna steer clear from sidecontrol too. After passing I much more prefer combinations like doorstop>north south>back or doorstop>knee on belly>back.
4. Don’t let them post on you.
Even in a bad position (aside from back), if your opponent can put their hands in front of you, they can almost always create enough space to get out. Effective ways to counter this are:
1. Stay on the offensive; your opponent can’t post on you if they’re too busy defending themselves.
2. Get rid of their posts immediately
3. Transition to another position
OP, I am roughly the same size as you, been doing BJJ for 14 years. To add to your points, I would say that North South (top) position is a great tool. Instead of staying in side control waiting to get pushed off, transition to north south. Additionally, angles are really important for a smaller person vs a big person. Ex, if you're putting opponent in side control, don't stay parallel to their body. Go to 11 o'clock or 1o'clock position on relative to your opponent's upper body. Due to our anatomy as humans, we cannot exert the same amount of power from awkward angles due to our shoulder/arm physiology.
@@sharpacid I said in my text that against very big opponents go to north south instead of sidecontrol
I am barely 150lbs so I needed this. My favourite part "Do a big one" LOL
I am aslo very skinny and if this guy did a big one on me i would fly half across the gym
Oh wah. 150. Try 130
Also 150 I need to stay on top like glue when I get thrown off 😂
Try being 120 😅
All of my 130lbs discovered side positions generally worked better for me than mount (I had some wrestling xp before bjj). I have learned some new tricks to hold mount better, but usually I have to treat it as a transition to something else, like a sub or position that works better for me. As I age I'm also losing speed and quickness, so I'll resort to treachery and deceit now...
try high/S-mount
@@Victor-Soria high/S mount is stable... if you can get to it.
Yes side control
"As I age I'm also losing speed and quickness, so I'll resort to treachery and deceit now..." Being the smallest and oldest (43) person in my gym, I can vouch this is the proper way to go.
im 130lbs and i just grapevine their legs or lock my feet under the butt before making quick transitions to giftwrap, high or S mount when threatening a punch choke or americana.
I am a 150 pound dude I get tossed out mount all the time actually, my go to is try and get an arm before I get tossed off, sometimes I get it, if not I just mentally prepare for the next 3 minutes of my smashing lol. Really good advice for side control I 100% make that mistake of being centered and flipped over. Thanks chewy oss
"do a big one" ✈️ I laughed my ass off😂
Thank you, Professor Chewy.
150 lb myself.
I learn a ton from all your videos, and especially the ones geared toward lighter practitioners.
Be well.
Nik
Dope rash guard Chewy
I’m 95kg. Rolled with a 127kg monster the other day. He damn nearly bumped me out the window 😂 So thanks for the vid!
Lmao chewy knows the memes with the micro adjustments reference
Yes I do.
Get you a girl who looks at you the way jack looks at Chewy 2:33
Already got one.
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This helps a lot! I'm a big guy but I roll with a lot of military guys that are super athletic that do this on me.
Thank you Chewy!
"I'm going to give you a few tips to CHEW on." Ah, I see what you did there, Chewy!
" Do a big one " hahaha love the banter :')
I'm quite strong but am like 155 so this video is very useful. I literally prefer side control to mount sometimes because I can hold it better.
Love this topic. I casually came across it after not finding anything a few weeks ago. Id love to see an armbar setup from here!
I went to my first BJJ class yesterday after being away from any grappling for around 6 years. I’m out of shape now but I absolutely loved it even though I got destroyed when rolling with the more experienced guys. I can’t wait to go back and continue it reminds me of starting wrestling and just soaking up all the knowledge
Perfect timing! Am having my first rela competition tmrw. I'm a orange-white belt. Thanks sm for the advice!
Nice tips! I weight 47kg and I use the mount as transition rather than a position cause is easy to throw me out eventually. Interesting because as you say, knee on belly works best for me, and from then I move fast, change the side many times as needed to counter my opponent defense attempts. The nice thing about being light is that we can move fast! 😜
super useful! I am a newer white belt and I have been finding that my americana from crucifix is really good against other white belts even the more experienced ones but many higher belts can roll me from side control
Never thought on not use mount, great advice. Loved the ending tho 😂😂
Great advice. I'm a big boy myself but recently have been training with a Russian wall and had this exact problem. I would usually go for kimura/keylock, extending the straight arm bar (from top side control) or cross collar choke from side, but these would get me thrown every time. I've had luck with wrist locks from this position to get the tap but would be great to hear more about recommended submissions or adjustments from side control against a strong fella.
"I ain't scared... I'll die rolling with these large lads... but I ain't scared..."
-EvanTV
I needed this video, especially for mount. Thank you!
Note to self: Keep center of gravity away from his chest (to his side), keep leg out in side control, hip down, shoulder pressure on their face.
I think a higher mount (ie up in their armpits) can be easier to maintain as well because you can take away a lot of their arm strength. And then I’m always just willing to give up mount and transition to a different position if I feel my opponent start to roll me.
I find actually getting my knees up under their armpits is a virtually impossible task versus a strong powerful person, most of the time
For sure. Higher mounts take away the hip drive. But if the person is a good deal bigger a big push and roll is still there. I'd still save mount for once the person is a bit more tired.
One thing that helped me with mount on big guys (I’m lanky 6’5” 180ish rolling with 1 guy in the gym 300+) when I’d go to mount I’d always throw an arm under the head similar to side control. This took away the power in his bridge. You def have to be ready to post when they roll to that side with a leg and be mobile but it helped slow things down and keep them uncomfortable instead of just losing it every time by getting swept.
Everyday haha. 5'6 120 pound 2 Stripe White Belt here. Thank you for the info Chewy! Love from Chicago.
Was getting thrown all over playing top side control last night. Timely video, thanks
It just comes with at the beginning till you learn your balance an pressure I was 205 lbs an getting pushed off an rolled over easy in my first 18 months
C’mon Jack, you gotta say “Adam” at the end of the video!
Ill come up with my own little gag if im ever in another video👍
Excellent! Simple adjustment that will result in great opportunities!
Thank you!! Hilarious and informative, really appreciate the info!
Great tips for skinny guys! Good video even without Adam.
Chewy! Is the best ! I love your views and videos! Ty
Appreciate ya.
Was wondering where I can contact you for a BJJ related question? Thanks man! Cheers!
From mount what I've learned through trial and error is to maintain a connection via grapevines oooor when you feel them about to fling you off you quickly grab the back of their heads (with your hand) and pull yourself downwards. Feels like it creates a lot of downward leverage. I'm a white belt that needed to do this to a purple belt and it almost feels like magic because it works for me so well
They can kipping escape from that position
I used the side control to north south around neck on a guy who's 220 5 ft 9 I'm 139 he was very experienced but he was strong and trying to get off his back . He had a hard pretty serious wrestling match . Popping to knee in belly is good too . I had to post my hand out so I didn't get rolled I didn't use that shoulder in face though I'lltry that next time
I'm 110 lbs (5'8) and I have been practicing BJJ & MMA for 6 months. I struggle against my coach who is a light heavyweight but against 141 lbs dudes who are more experienced I do fine (got couple of submissions as well)
Love Jack’s jazz hands 😂
Great video! 👍
Chewy looked like a little boy again! “DO A BIG ONE!!!!” 😂🤣😂
Again Again! 😂🤣😂 Just found the channel, Thanks for all the helpful content guys!
I’m not small but I like side mount with the gift wrap
Good advice. Sorry for the typo
Love this ,i'm tired of getting tossed and bench pressed of by this big ass guy at my gym😂
I'm exactly the kind of big guy you're talking about. I wrestled, I love to roll people over me and take top. I have given the same advice to smaller guys who roll with me,
Question on your advice to sprawl. I've notice that a 240ish black belt I roll with will always get an underhook when I do that. How do I get a deep sprawl without opening the door to slip that arm in?
Sprawling from a takedown or when you're in side control?
Good shit!
Awesome! 💪
I’m 180 pounds and I got a bean pole I can’t hold down 😭 he’s a blue belt tho
Refreshing
I find myself doing these a lot to the skinny guys but I'm still just trying to survive on the mats there fast . I Train at a ufc gym and we're are mostly all white belts
Do you think we can turn to a mount and armbar the bottom big guy when he push me up and bridge ?
Im very skinny. I need to protect myself. How do i sign up for his class
I am barely 210 so need this lol
Me 210 lbs watching his good video though
You talking about Dave in Tucson? Lol
Jack.
I'm a bjj novice, although if on top of a larger guy, putting hooks into his legs is a great way to control. I would have thought that top position with hooks is better than side mount because the opponent needs to carry your weight and his weight to get you off?
Sure putting the hooks can help. I tend to tell my students to wear the big guy down before you jump into mount on them. And for some, mount is their go to regardless of size.
But generally, from my years of training. The full mount tends not to me the most favorable position if the opponent is much larger and stronger.
But BJJ is a choose your own adventure type thing. So do what you want and find out what works for you.
I used to think that too, but personally found that really strong powerful people can still often bench you off at will, even with hooks in (which hurts more when they do). I think they can throw you off in almost any position (except the back). There is quite a big difference between rolling with strong people and rolling with absolute powerhouse units, whereby the only sensible thing is resorting to firearms
145 lbs, mount is easier to play. I feel like I have less submissions but I can always count on them wasting their energy trying to bench press me and making it easier to submit them when I switch to side control
Lol you must be rolling white belts.
At 6 foot tall I weigh like 138 this is some shit I needed to hear lol
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What about just hooking the legs bro?
I think you should always want the top, sure deliberately train the guard, but literally stop seeing yourself as a guard player, guard is a backup plan not the go to.
As a smaller player, your game should be strictly heel hooks and back attacks
how big are you chewy? Height weight
6 foot tall. Around 205lbs
wth is a beanpole?
Sorry can barely hear/focus what your saying with the background
I learned how to deal with this in jail. If a bigger guy wants top position just let it happen and think happy thoughts. It’ll be over quicker.
Do something about us.. Do something in india... There is only one bjj balckbelt that too not legit, in country of 13,80,00,00,00 people
But... we wanted Adam.
Too bad. I ate him
😅😂
Why do people care about fighting bigger people so much, don't you fight with people your weight in a weight class
1st
So the best way to mount a big guy is to not do it.
I'm sure everybody knows that you can grab a couple of fingers and have them say hi to the back of the hand. You'll turn a big man into a crying baby
You look really tiny haha