Guys you know that the chain of event start here with Faraday conversation? This is where the loop start, not with the hatch. Faraday is killed by his mother who will find his journal. She and Charles will learn about Desmond (Desmond is my constant) and they will know that Daniel will be their son. Eloise, Charles and Richard (since he met Sawyer) know that the oceanic 815 are coming. So when Charles learn that Penny felt in love with a guy name Desmond, that's why he hates Desmond, because of Daniel's journal. He knew that he would end up on the island and he tried to protect his daughter. And he use his race around the world to try to find the island (with the lampost station). He send Desmond on this sail race to get rid of him and to get him into the island (one stone two birds).
WOW!!!! I don’t know how how else to respond. So we are to assume that Charles Widmore like Eloise knew what the future was? But didn’t he get banished off the island because he had a relationship with someone off the island? Puts a little damper to his plans or was it always intentional and planned the entire time? Eloise would not have been okay with it.
@@TJMalana well there still stuff unexplained like who is Penny mother. But that's not important for the story. I tend to think a story is good if not everything is connected to the plot. Here we just need to know that Widmore knew someone named Desmond will be going to be very important for the island. I think by "being at desmond" he was angry at the island because...well desmond is Penny's lover and he was so scared she will be dragged on the island. Many people think that Lost didn"t ansewered many things but the answers are here, it's always link to the characters, not an obscur mythology with egyptians
It's just a physicist that wanted to be open minded. Hardcore physicists will never allow themselves to lean towards "The Variables" (free will, change destiny.) Faraday in this case was so hopeful about change that he threw science off the island's looking glass.
This is a time loop. What they want to do will cause what is going to happen and when this happen it will cause again what they want to do, it is an endless circle. There is no going back, you can not change the past or outcome, it is connected to eachother. For more information please watch tv show called Dark.
Hearing Daniel Faraday speak about, well, damn near anything is absolutely captivating... He treats words like music second to only Raymond Reddington...
He was also in a pretty good long forgotten indie w/ Ben Affleck and Rose McGowan called Going All The Way. It’s an adaptation of a Dan Wakefield novel and worth checking out
Well damn, I had forgotten so much about all the weird and wacky mysteries from the series after 14 plus years and he just filled in a whole mess of that stuff. Thanks, person who posted this video.
Kate wouldn't want this to happen, really. Her life was greatly improved by the crash. At the worst, she gets back to the mainland, is found not guilty of her crimes and is wealthy as hell due to the payout from Oceanic. Undo the crash, she goes to prison as the Marshal brings her in to face the music in L.A.
All of their lives were greatly improved. Their wrecked lives is the reason Jacob chose them anyway. I almost see Faraday as the bad guy (dont get me wrong here; Faraday is one of my most favorite characters of the show), along with anyone trying to stop the Losties from coming to the island. They have to come to the island to keep the Monster at bat.
All of their lives were greatly improved. Their wrecked lives is the reason Jacob chose them anyway. I almost see Faraday as the bad guy (dont get me wrong here; Faraday is one of my most favorite characters of the show), along with anyone trying to stop the Losties from coming to the island. They have to come to the island to keep the Monster at bat.
He was right in one thing: The past cannot be changed but the thought he could change the future, instead of that he just did like the timeline goes afterwards
Its not the island that is the variable, it was Desmond. right after this, it jumps to Desmond in the hospital talking to Penny. Plus the show said many a time that Desmond is special and the rules don't apply to him
If he had just said that the island was the variable, all would have been well. However, his theory of it being people immediately contradicts everything else he said throughout the season and we're never given any reason as to what changed his mind on the rules.
Daniel was wrong about one thing. The bomb wasn't powerful enough to destroy the electromagnetic energy on the island. He was right to use the bomb to stop Radzinsky's drilling, which could have destroyed the world. But destroying the island's electromagnetic energy? No. That's why the Oceanic time travelers ended up back in 2007 and not 2004.
"The Dharma folks are going to dig into the ground" - I never understand how Jacob tolerated Dharma been there, digging and experimenting. Its exactly the sort of thing Mother warned him about. Although I don't know what Jacob could have done it about it. I'm not sure what his powers are. Maybe he couldn't do anything about it until the others organised the purge with Ben's help.
@@AbhijeetMishra Yes, they were innocent. Sometimes. Sometimes they weren't. But their actions did endanger the island and the world at large. Which would explain why Widmore had stopped giving the Dharma Initiative a chance and simply gave the order to get rid of them.
It had steadily been discharging over the 27 years prior every time the Numbers were inputted. The remaining energy was discharged when Desmond turned the failsafe.
Everything that was revealed about the Dharma Initiative in season 5 heeds Mother’s warning “They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt. Always ends the same.” It’s probably what happened when the Egyptians tried to exploit the Islands electro magnetic properties as well.
According to Eloise, the universe has a way of course correcting itself so even if they just sat around doing nothing, the Hydrogen Bomb would most likely have gone off by some different manner since that was the key into restoring them to their original timeline while keeping the past intact.
Then there is the theoretical hypothesis about time travel. Great quote from the HBO series The affair “What would happen if you could travel back in time and make a different choice in your past, how that would affect your life in the future. So the theory goes that your true life, your first life, continues as it is, unchanged, but at the moment of decision, a new life splits off along a tangent, into a parallel universe. So you could, in a way, live both lives.”
There is something I don't understand from Daniel's theory: He says that the day they crashed on the island was the day that Desmond stoped hitting the buttom, but they crashed like a month before that happened, so... was it a script fail or something?
yes, Desmond didn't press the button on the day the plane crashed cause he was fighting and killed the other guy who use to press the putton (forgot his name; the last "real" Darma guy on the island) who told Desmond about the button, and etc etc.
you're confusing two events. First Desmond didnt push the button one time (plane crash, so moments before the first scene in ep 1). Second, Locke, Eko et al didnt push the button, and Desmond turned the failsafe key. To be precise, Faraday didnt say Desmond stopped pushing the button (i.e. no more) he said he failed to push it (i.e. missed one turn).
@@alexshaykevich509 That’s why it was designed for two people, not one. Besides, that technology that got us to the moon required constant human monitoring, it’s not like they sent the rocket on its way and went home for the duration. Ultimately, what’s the difference between having an automated system that would require constant human supervision versus just having the human perform the operation?
@@melrupinski88 Technology that got us to the moon isn't required to push a button. That was literally an example to demonstrate 1970 and 80s technologies were already quite advanced. There's an incandescent lightbulb from 1901 that still works and is in operation. If you're talking about a button on which the fate of the world hangs, then I'm all for multiple redundant systems including automatic and human. That premise of the show is just stupid, and that's coming from a fan of the first couple of seasons.
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Jeremy Davies could read the McDonald's menu and he still would've make my ears melt.
Faraday and John can speak stories for hours and still no one will get bored
Confused for faraday, intrigued for locke
not bored, but extremely exhausted.
Guys you know that the chain of event start here with Faraday conversation? This is where the loop start, not with the hatch.
Faraday is killed by his mother who will find his journal. She and Charles will learn about Desmond (Desmond is my constant) and they will know that Daniel will be their son.
Eloise, Charles and Richard (since he met Sawyer) know that the oceanic 815 are coming.
So when Charles learn that Penny felt in love with a guy name Desmond, that's why he hates Desmond, because of Daniel's journal. He knew that he would end up on the island and he tried to protect his daughter.
And he use his race around the world to try to find the island (with the lampost station). He send Desmond on this sail race to get rid of him and to get him into the island (one stone two birds).
🤯
mindfuck
WOW!!!! I don’t know how how else to respond. So we are to assume that Charles Widmore like Eloise knew what the future was? But didn’t he get banished off the island because he had a relationship with someone off the island? Puts a little damper to his plans or was it always intentional and planned the entire time? Eloise would not have been okay with it.
@@TJMalana well there still stuff unexplained like who is Penny mother. But that's not important for the story. I tend to think a story is good if not everything is connected to the plot.
Here we just need to know that Widmore knew someone named Desmond will be going to be very important for the island.
I think by "being at desmond" he was angry at the island because...well desmond is Penny's lover and he was so scared she will be dragged on the island.
Many people think that Lost didn"t ansewered many things but the answers are here, it's always link to the characters, not an obscur mythology with egyptians
Oh my f*king god 😯
Still get goosebumps every time I watch this scene. Amazing!
Good scene, even though Dan wasn't quite right. But at least he was trying
The only thing that Faraday didn't think is that also this entire conversation was always happened.
It's just a physicist that wanted to be open minded. Hardcore physicists will never allow themselves to lean towards "The Variables" (free will, change destiny.) Faraday in this case was so hopeful about change that he threw science off the island's looking glass.
@@petertonofficial not sure that's correct. Good scientists should always take variables into account.
@@kbanghart based on the character in this episode, Faraday was a hopeful scientist.
This is a time loop.
What they want to do will cause what is going to happen and when this happen it will cause again what they want to do, it is an endless circle.
There is no going back, you can not change the past or outcome, it is connected to eachother.
For more information please watch tv show called Dark.
@@oguzhankara7085 Exactly !
Hearing Daniel Faraday speak about, well, damn near anything is absolutely captivating... He treats words like music second to only Raymond Reddington...
Pygmalion effect. Faraday trying to prevent everything actually created the incident and all other events.
For any of you who are God of War fans, the Actor who plays Daniel is the same person who played Baldur.
No way!
damnn
holy shit I can totally hear it. I CANT FEEL ANYTHING! He also played the medic in saving private ryan.
Whaaaat… that’s awesome
He was also in a pretty good long forgotten indie w/ Ben Affleck and Rose McGowan called Going All The Way. It’s an adaptation of a Dan Wakefield novel and worth checking out
Woot.
I just love how he puts it all there in black and white.
Well damn, I had forgotten so much about all the weird and wacky mysteries from the series after 14 plus years and he just filled in a whole mess of that stuff. Thanks, person who posted this video.
Kate wouldn't want this to happen, really. Her life was greatly improved by the crash. At the worst, she gets back to the mainland, is found not guilty of her crimes and is wealthy as hell due to the payout from Oceanic.
Undo the crash, she goes to prison as the Marshal brings her in to face the music in L.A.
All of their lives were greatly improved. Their wrecked lives is the reason Jacob chose them anyway.
I almost see Faraday as the bad guy (dont get me wrong here; Faraday is one of my most favorite characters of the show), along with anyone trying to stop the Losties from coming to the island. They have to come to the island to keep the Monster at bat.
All of their lives were greatly improved. Their wrecked lives is the reason Jacob chose them anyway.
I almost see Faraday as the bad guy (dont get me wrong here; Faraday is one of my most favorite characters of the show), along with anyone trying to stop the Losties from coming to the island. They have to come to the island to keep the Monster at bat.
Faradays too.... He got his memory back on the island
Jack: Holy shit this is valuable information!
Kate: this is bullshit , get me outta here
Kate was most certainly done with everyone's bullshit in the last season lol.
Jaja that is e what the face of both showed, they're such a good actors
the music is sooooooooo magicalllllll !!!
LOST No doubt has the best soundtrack of any series I've ever watched. Pure perfection.
@@mrmancan6470 agreed
Wasn't this song first heard when it showed Eloise Hawking? I think at the Lamppost Station when Jack met Sun, Desmond and Ben. 😬
He was right in one thing: The past cannot be changed but the thought he could change the future, instead of that he just did like the timeline goes afterwards
Best character on the show
And he's about to be a crooked arkham guard on arrow
No really but he's s a good one
As a physicist, he forgot one of the most important laws of physics: energy cannot be destroyed. 😜
And he says he's studied physics his whole life lol, that's literally the first thing you learn in Grade 6
Energy cannot be destroyed but it can be moved, that's probably what he meant
He didn't mean to destroy it, he tried to pull it back to avoid leak
Its not the island that is the variable, it was Desmond. right after this, it jumps to Desmond in the hospital talking to Penny. Plus the show said many a time that Desmond is special and the rules don't apply to him
Hence why he was on the plane..
Des is the constant, actually.
@@kbanghart yes des was the constant
The music is called "The Swinging Bendulum."
Is that true?
Maybe Daniel knows he can’t change history, but he knows his destiny is to fail in the attempt to.
If he had just said that the island was the variable, all would have been well.
However, his theory of it being people immediately contradicts everything else he said throughout the season and we're never given any reason as to what changed his mind on the rules.
He was desperate to undo Charlotte’s death, and it is implied he still had mental deterioration from his time off the Island.
@@Rougarou99 Oh yes definitely. He was definitely was desperate to the point that his logic and common sense went out the window.
@@TJMalana That would also explain why he just went into the camp of the Others and waved his gun like a maniac.
To answer the original question, Desmond changed his mind, since he was able to change things (albeit small things) in the past.
@@melrupinski88- Who was able to “change small things” in the past?
Desmond or Faraday?
2:10 kate is like “wtf is this guy talking about?”
There is a deleted scene in this segment that reveals why Faraday suddenly changed his mind about “you cannot change past”
Daniel faraday one of the best character ever 🤟
Daniel was wrong about one thing. The bomb wasn't powerful enough to destroy the electromagnetic energy on the island. He was right to use the bomb to stop Radzinsky's drilling, which could have destroyed the world. But destroying the island's electromagnetic energy? No. That's why the Oceanic time travelers ended up back in 2007 and not 2004.
In a way the final 6 are all variables in the Valenzetti equation.
Charles Manson was great in Lost
Tomorrow will soon be my past
"The Dharma folks are going to dig into the ground" - I never understand how Jacob tolerated Dharma been there, digging and experimenting. Its exactly the sort of thing Mother warned him about. Although I don't know what Jacob could have done it about it. I'm not sure what his powers are. Maybe he couldn't do anything about it until the others organised the purge with Ben's help.
@@AbhijeetMishra Yes, they were innocent. Sometimes. Sometimes they weren't. But their actions did endanger the island and the world at large. Which would explain why Widmore had stopped giving the Dharma Initiative a chance and simply gave the order to get rid of them.
What is the name of the song playing???
It's great
Idk but it is similar to Javob’s theme in some parts...
On a good note, the Sox will finally win the World Series.
The energy was destroyed when Desmond blew it up right?
No it wasnt. In fact it created the whole problem.
Yes. He did.
It had steadily been discharging over the 27 years prior every time the Numbers were inputted. The remaining energy was discharged when Desmond turned the failsafe.
Everything that was revealed about the Dharma Initiative in season 5 heeds Mother’s warning “They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt. Always ends the same.” It’s probably what happened when the Egyptians tried to exploit the Islands electro magnetic properties as well.
I wonder what would have happened if they'd just sat by the river bank and did nothing.
But they couldn't cause they had already done it all
According to Eloise, the universe has a way of course correcting itself so even if they just sat around doing nothing, the Hydrogen Bomb would most likely have gone off by some different manner since that was the key into restoring them to their original timeline while keeping the past intact.
Then there is the theoretical hypothesis
about time travel. Great quote from the HBO series The affair “What would happen if you
could travel back in time and
make a different choice in your
past, how that would affect your
life in the future. So the theory
goes that your true life, your first
life, continues as it is,
unchanged, but at the moment of
decision, a new life splits off
along a tangent, into a parallel
universe. So you could, in a way,
live both lives.”
Love that character!
Not a good idea but the writers are great
But if “what happened happened” then the crash of Oceanic 815 also happened, it seems to me.
Joe
@DefektVara had he just said that the island was the variable and not people...
Yes.
If you didn’t pay attention to the variables, you’re an amateur...
Ppl do evil past, present,and future.
There is something I don't understand from Daniel's theory: He says that the day they crashed on the island was the day that Desmond stoped hitting the buttom, but they crashed like a month before that happened, so... was it a script fail or something?
yes, Desmond didn't press the button on the day the plane crashed cause he was fighting and killed the other guy who use to press the putton (forgot his name; the last "real" Darma guy on the island) who told Desmond about the button, and etc etc.
you're confusing two events.
First Desmond didnt push the button one time (plane crash, so moments before the first scene in ep 1).
Second, Locke, Eko et al didnt push the button, and Desmond turned the failsafe key.
To be precise, Faraday didnt say Desmond stopped pushing the button (i.e. no more) he said he failed to push it (i.e. missed one turn).
@@theLOSTranger234 His name was Kelvin.
@@shanereid5292 Mr Krabs lol
1:24 #BlackSwan
If only there was some automated way to simulate a button push without needing a person to actually do it...
Would you entrust the fate of the world to an automated process using 70s and early 80s technology?
@@melrupinski88 You mean technology that had already taken us to the moon? Yes, more so than 1 vulnerable human.
@@alexshaykevich509 That’s why it was designed for two people, not one.
Besides, that technology that got us to the moon required constant human monitoring, it’s not like they sent the rocket on its way and went home for the duration. Ultimately, what’s the difference between having an automated system that would require constant human supervision versus just having the human perform the operation?
@@melrupinski88 Technology that got us to the moon isn't required to push a button. That was literally an example to demonstrate 1970 and 80s technologies were already quite advanced. There's an incandescent lightbulb from 1901 that still works and is in operation. If you're talking about a button on which the fate of the world hangs, then I'm all for multiple redundant systems including automatic and human. That premise of the show is just stupid, and that's coming from a fan of the first couple of seasons.
2:34 THATS the face of women when 2 men are talking about men stuff. like..video games...
No that’s stupid
Kate is hot!
😅
Love lord God oriana goded