I liked the tragedy of the fact that Jack and his would-be rescuers are the ones who ripped Sawyer away from the peaceful Lafleur period and back into turmoil when his survival partner died.
Jack (the man of science and logic) and Locke (the man of spirituality and faith) have always opposed one another in terms of beliefs. But now that Locke’s dead, ever since Locke (as Bentham) said terrible things happened on the island after he left, Jack had to believe and trust what Locke said.
Yeah, it's really heartwarming. Because he became a man of faith, he followed Ben back to the island and got Sun, Jin, and Sayid killed. Hell, he even got Jacob killed and then almost unleashed evil out into the world. Faith really got him places. But who cares about all those people who died and all the chaos and horrible things that happened. The important thing is that Jack found faith. Other people and the world be damned.
"I don't speak destiny. What I do understand is a man does what he does 'cause he wants something for himself." The best life quote from arguably the best character, in one of the best scenes, from one the best series of all time
"Because Jack... What's done is done." Wow, Josh delivered that line so perfectly. You can see the facial expression on Sawyer's face as he says it. He's a man who is truly at peace with himself. Such a GREAT character arc for Sawyer as opposed to the kind of person he was in season 1.
@LOSTfan81523 Jeez you little snitch, just let the poor Skater have her preference. Antagonizing these shippers are just gonna make them spread. Believe me I can't even talk about my favourite show Hannibal anymore without these absurd shippers insisting the two main characters are a gay pride icon.
What I really hate about this particular story arc is that this was the best Sawyer's life ever got, and Jack and the others coming back ruined it for him.
Agreed. Show has always been about redemption. The writers definitely made some mistakes with mysteries but they did such an amazing job with character development that it was able to mask a lot of the shows flaws.
It's NOT just about Jack losing Kate. It's about the weight of all the people who died that Jack either couldn't save or put in harms way in his one-track obsessive effort to get everyone saved (and off the Island). He wants to UNDO the harm that befell everyone with the crash of Oceanic 815. Even if it means never having known Kate. It's an expression of Jack's self sacrificial quality; he's willing to lose the most important relationship of his life. Sawyer is the other side of this. What's done is done. James became who he became...an actual leader who is shepherding (pun intended) others to safety. He's actually head of Dharma Security. All of that would NOT have happened but for the pains that he went through in his life. They made Sawyer become what he became the past 3 years with the DI. And this all goes back to an exchange btw Sawyer & Locke, when they were jumping through time. Sawyer asked Locke why (when they came to the time when John was banging on the hatch door confused, angry and feeling betrayed that Boone died) he didn't go tell himself what was going to happen and save himself the misery. Locke said that pain is what brought him to where he is, what made him who he is...i.e., the leader of the Others and someone who would be communicating directly with the mysterious Jacob. That exchange is why Sawyer doesn't get on the sub in 1974 and doesn't try to stop his father from shooting his mother or preventing Anthony Cooper from running the con on her.
Well the important thing is it's all about Jack. Sun, Jin, Sayid, and so many others died so that Jack could find abstract faith. It's almost as if he's willing to kill anyone around him just to find a little peace, even though compared to the other survivors, he lived a charmed life. Jack didn't need to find faith. He needed to find gratitude and stop using other people to make himself feel better.
Nearly 10 months after the fact, and I still feel this way for reasons unknown. What a perfect show. It spoke to nearly every thought & emotion any person could ever feel.
Sawyer is the best character. So well developed the whole way through, flawed and yet so endearing, likeable and relatable. He realises his own flaws and seriously does some growing up after season 4. I really think part of this is because of Juliet.
Its interesting to me how jack mentions destiny when hes trying to revert the past and Sawyer says he doesent believe in destiny when he accepts What's done is done.
Jack's story always breaks my heart, he's so lonely, so broken....he just wants to do one good thing in his life and that's to make up for all the suffering people he's met have been through, I've loved Jack since first instant that opened that eye and I know I wasn't wrong
+Simeon Monev Haha I was trying for that Haircut, but then "I had her, and then I lost her" and ended up Shaving my head Lmfao. I pretty much have that haircut now though, after so long lol. Sorry for the loooooong ass Reply.
It looks like a simple haircut but fuck the gods... I have to thin it every fucking month, because it's really thick. How do you cut yours to look like his? I just thin the back of it and remove the extra bulk from the ends. It's cool to be with long hair, but it takes time to style it exactly like you want.
Having been in love, I deeply understand how Jack felt... I really do. But for Sawyer to reveal his most soul-crushing story just to bring Jack back around... he wouldn't do that for just anyone.
Love how Sawyer becomes the ultimate Jater and tells Jack to go get his woman back. Jack wants Kate so badly but he thinks he fucked it all to hell, so he'll blow up a bomb to have a fresh start with her. But Kate still loves Jack and she always did. It kills me that the two of them were torn apart by fate and circumstance.
It was for another chance with Kate and to bring back all the people that died. Sawyer called him out on it. He asked Jack what he wanted another chance at so bad that he was willing to blow up a bomb over. He asked what Jack wanted for himself and Jack immediately mentioned Kate. That is in the show. Those are Jack's very own words.
He didn't specifically said that he wants another chance with Kate. Jack did however specifically said that, "all the misery that we've been through, we'd wipe it clean. never happen." He said this after Faraday got shot by his mother, and Jack & Kate got captured and was put in a tent.
So as someone stated above, that Jack just wants his pain to go away. Faraday promises that Jack in the future will not have to go through this. I think this Jack (traveled back in time) wanted the Jack of the future to not go through it. Empathy for a version of his own self.
Jack was so confused in this scene. He doesn't even know what or why he's willing a to go through the plan of action. He puts the blame on Locke for his decisions. Sawyer really dug into his core intentions, and Jack admitted it. That Jack is doing it for himself because of Kate because he is miserable. Unlike Sawyer at this stage being happy and dandy by saying "Whats done is done."
Peter Ton I do not think Jack was so confused. It was indeed Eloise who did all she could to make them return to the island, that same Eloise, who was a witness of all that had happened, and who took the risk in killing her own son AGAIN! I think Jack was convinced it had to be done, no matter what the outcome. And he was right in the end. The explosion of the H-bomb was able to neutralize the electromagnetic catastrophe that was about to unfold. If they landed in 70's, that was why...
I would differ on two points--1) that Jack is confused. Jack truly believes in Faraday, the ultimate "man of science" who believes that the energy of Jughead's detonation may prevent the hatch from being built, which would mean Oceanic 815 never crashes on the Island (Joanna doesn't drown, Boone does die, Ana Lucia doesn't shoot Shannon, Michael doesn't kill Ana Lucia and Libby etc etc etc). It's NOT just about Kate. He says this to Sawyer because Jack thinks that Kate is a common denominator between the two of them. Jack believes that Sawyer has great affection for Kate and he also "lost" Kate. So Jack drills it down to a very person loss because he thinks that Sawyer sees the world "THAT WAY". 2) It's NOT about Kate. It's about avoiding all the lives that were lost when Oceanic 815 crashed & all those who died after. It's Jack being able to in one fell swoop undo everything that he failed at--saving Boone, preventing Ana Lucia and Libby's death, avoiding the Marshall's death, Joanna's drowning, Claire's disappearance, etc, etc etc. And Jack's willing to sacrifice everything good that ever happened for him...Kate, the validation/status as the leader, beginning to feel like he has what it takes. It's later why Jack just quickly jumps up and accepts Jacob's job!
@@victorpradha9946 7 years ago phew! I’ve grown out of my original interpretation, I will agree about your assessment on the common denominator being Jack’s and Sawyer’s Kate. I think your two points would be valid, and does not have to be one or the other.
@@siso7274 I stand corrected after 7 years. I had viewed this scene through my own perspective and biases, and not the character themselves. Jack was most definitely not confused. He had a strong conviction in what he wanted to do. After all that beating from Sawyer, Jack still wanted to go through with it; legendary.
Sometimes in the show it irritated me how these two men could talk to each other--their rivals!--of their feelings for Kate but they could never really tell her. They had her all mixed up because she had to interpret what each of them meant, clouding her judgment and leaving her unable to read her own feelings. Just tell her! She's right there! What good does it do to tell the other man she had feelings for of your feelings for her?
Jack and Sawyer are friends, Sure there was a love triangle but Sawyer never rubbed it in Jack's face that she sleep with him. Jack doesn't want to loose Kate again, Hell he probably is trying to fight his feelings for Kate, just look at the expression on his face right before he says "I had Her".
It's irritating but perfectly understandable. I think these things happen in true love triangles all the time (I mean true in the sense that there's no real animosity between the 2 wanting the lucky person's affection for themselves). So you end up with this interesting dynamic where their cowardice has them confiding in each other instead of the 3rd person. Jack should've told her he still wants her as badly as he did in the beginning but he's become discouraged over whether he deserves her love. It's possibly why he told Sawyer first, hoping his response might give him some courage. I have no personal experience in this stuff so I may just be talking out of my ass
Edriss Scofield remember too he lost his first wife, and ever since then, any relationship he’s had afterwards is more of a fling by that point. Jack hasn’t been able to hold a stable relationship so now more than ever it seems he’s accepting that fate of isolation (something that’s plagued him ever since he told all the 815 survivors “live together die alone”)
@@EricGraham94 Yes, so true. I loved Jack with the thai girl, they were so cute together as opposite to sarah, there I felt insecure, what jack wanted: did he felt responsible for her, was he in love and vice versa? I never knew. But like before with Sarah, he wanted more and more control and followed achara, forced her to tatoo him. He had learned nothing from the past and repeated his sick behaviour to kate. Three times messed up, all 3 women left him crying.
I laughed so hard watching him punch jack in the face i forgot about this scene but the way this video just ended the second he gets punched, hilarious
It looks like Sawyer is quite insane in this scene at the end, but you can understand him: He was content with life he had on the island by Dharma people with his blondie but suddenly Jack comes and ruins everything. If I was Sawyer, I would also bee pissed off, just like that.
Marek Marecki true. I guess if he oceanic 6 never went back, the peeps still on the island would end up like the dharma initiative... never thought of that
@Zach Jersey Nobody is guilty or has done wrong, because no one had a plan or know what to do. Sawyer waited for them ' as long as it takes'. He also knew, that the Dharma people would be killed, so he and his friends had to look for rescue and alternative - sooner or later. Ben and Locke convinced or treated the Oceanic 6 to go back to rescue them ( every time they talked with Locke or Ben, it's said: you have to go back.) But real Locke was dead and they didn't know, that they returned in 1977. It was a difficult situation. It was not fair to give sawyer such dialogues like' we had a good life here until you come 'and so on.
@@verenamenzel4701 So true, "Lafleur" spelled it out for us what was going on with Sawyer. He said he'd wait 'as long as it takes' and you know he wasn't talking about Locke, it's KATE he was waiting for! And when he sees Amy's grief over Paul, he SO relates because he is feeling the same way. Just look at his face. (this episode is SO well-written and foreshadows SO much .. at the beginning Horace is drunk out of his mind and The Others are afraid he is "going to blow himself up!" Because Amy still loves Paul! He is JUST like Juliet, who, at the end of the season, really DOES blow herself up from jealousy!) Sawyer does the lying for the group because "I used to lie for a living". Then Juliet reminds him "the flashes have stopped." They're stuck in '70s Dharmaville. He has to work fast on Juliet unless he wants to be alone (or mate with a polar bear, as Josh H. said, lol). Sawyer turns on the charm and Juliet responds to it. Just the way Cassidy and countless others did. Three years later he is known as "LaFleur" to The Others, 'James' to Juliet (later the Others announce to Jack that Sawyer HATES being called 'James') but far from being satisfied with his Dharma life, he is actually "living a lie". We see him go up to Jin to ask if he found anything on the 'grid search' .. he is still hoping for Locke to bring back Kate. But I think the moment Juliet delivers that baby touches him, he has grown really fond of her, and I think this is when he starts to think about 'letting go' of Kate. Especially after talking to Horace, and realizing how much Amy's hanging on to Paul is hurting Horace. He's been doing the same thing with Kate. I feel like when he lies - as always - to Horace about 'being over' Kate, he is actually trying to convince himself. "this has gone on long enough". But then the next day, when he finds out Kate actually HAS returned, he lies to Juliet about it .. and then when he sees Kate his disguise (the glasses) comes off and he is just Sawyer again. Reunited with his lost love. Like Sawyer said to Kate in "What Kate Does", "it's not your fault she's dead. It's mine."
@@bertramsey sorry, saw your comment now completly.( Yesterday not, only until jealousy). Wow, big work! It's quite interesting, what you had figured out.When they hug each other, after being separated for 3 years, his face- expression seemed so satisfied and lucky. And in the evening, when they look at each other on the verandas, he looked so yearning. I saw the whole problem was, that nobody had a plan, when they come back. None of them. Sawyer found quickly a good solution, but Sayid messed up the whole effort.Has you any declaration for his name la fleur= the flower or is that meaningless? Your last sentence/scene you mentioned I don't understand. Who is dead? Ana Lulu or libby or..? In my notices I found an other quote of Josh: 'Kate simply exists. And Sawyer's love for her is undeniable. Both have tried to avoid it in every way possible, but it doesn't matter.They get stuck together once again.'
the main-message -relating to Jack is: it's meant to be, it's meant to be.He didn't care, if he would recognize Kate after the bomb or if she goes to prison. And to Sawyer: he is not willing to wipe out the past, he wants to recognize his friends again- not meet them as strangers.
yes, it's the classic "whatever happened happened" (Sawyer) vs. "I didn't think I could change anything. But now I think maybe I can" (Jack), and we saw this dichotomy in the person of Faraday. He changed his mind because of his love for Charlotte.
@@bertramsey o let me go with faraday. A big part. that I couldn't go with it in S.4and5- like the seasons before, was Farrady- he drove me mad. He also talked a lot b.sh.When he returned to dharmavlle and talked with jack in the early morning, he claimed, that it was a fault to come back. But the candidates had to go back, so what he means. 'Life is a road to go forwards and backwards, but you cannot build a new one.' Suddenly he thought we could. But we cannot rebuild our lifes. And he and charlotte didn't recognize each other as well, so what about that new road, if it leads to nowhere.
@@verenamenzel4701 yeah, but Daniel&Charlotte were paralleled a lot with Sawyer&Kate. When Sawyer banged on the hatch to make Desmond come out .. and then Daniel said "no no you can't change anything" and Sawyer said "everybody I care about just blew up on that dam ship" of COURSE "everybody I care about" means KATE, because as soon as Daniel sees Charlotte's nose bleeding, he hightails it to Desmond's door to desperately try to change EVERYTHING to save Charlotte - the same way Sawyer will do ANYTHING to bring Kate back to him. The desperate measures he goes to! For Faraday it is ALL about Charlotte, and for Sawyer it is ALL about Kate. (and later we hear that same 'everybody you care about' from Richard to Sawyer .. which STILL means Kate. Just like when John asks Kate "don't you care about 'them'?" he really means Sawyer.
@@bertramsey exactly, they brought the same sentences in certain scenes, which should show the same meanings to different people in different situations. Also locke said something like that: I had to bring them back and if I had to die for it. And he did. Locke felt himself guilty for not been there, when they were captured by the Others- instead he blew up the hatch and caused mr. ekos dead at last. Another thing was, that different people in different scenes claimed: if you do this, you and all people around you had to die.S.t. it was a lie ( Ben, widmore, Mr. eko....
@@verenamenzel4701 "sonofabitch" is a phrase associated with Sawyer, and IMO, when another character says "SOAB" it is a reference to Sawyer somehow. When Nicki pours the diamonds into her hand in "Expose" she says "SOAB". When Jack steps on the Star Wars toy that represents Han Solo in "Something Nice Back Home," he says "SOAB". When Bernard sees Sawyer, Juliet and Kate in "The Incident" he says "SOAB". I'm sure there are more.
I'll never understand, why Jack is so unreasonable to say, that he is willing to set aside Kate. He's not ready to give her/them a chance, neither yet here nor after the time shift through the bomb. He's so obsessed to live and stay on this island, that' s his priority. But is that true love? For me, it seemes, Jack is still so stubborn as we saw it in the past. Sawyer developes much better.
I think Jack felt that Kate has always loved Sawyer and she was only with him because Sawyer jumped. He also felt guilty because Sawyer jumped instead of him. Kate's attachment to Aaron and, by association Sawyer, drove him up the wall! But he loved her enough to try to overcome all that. Still his guilt over all the people left behind on the island finally got the better of him and he knew he had to go back and fulfill his destiny. It wasn't about him and Kate any more. This was bigger than both of them. Kate&Sawyer didn't understand, but Juliet did. And, in the end, Kate&Sawyer realized it too.
@@bertramsey That remembered me to a statement of evangeline: Jack was not Kate's purpose, and Kate was not Jack's purpose .Although on pennys ship, when they talked about the future of aaron, Kate mentioned, she would keep the boy, because they have lost so many friends, Jack said: sawyer is not dead and she answers: but he's not here. So it was pretty clear for Jack, that she stll loves Sawyer.
the reason, why sawyer was flipping out was , when Jack said, it doesn't matter (it's meant to be) if he would recognize Kate after the bomb. Jack wanted to wipe out the time on the island, sawyer not. That includes, nobody would recognize each other. Sawyer still loves kate and he is not ready to lose her. He was waiting for her 3 years. Later , when Jack and Kate were waiting near the swan to find opportunity to threw the bomb, they had nearly the same conversation. Jack said, he would wipe out all the horror they had on the island, kate said, not all was bad here and they wouldn't recognize each other.
@@verenamenzel4701 Yes, Kate said "he's gone" about Sawyer. That phrase is used, not only in this episode but especially in "LaFleur", to denote deep grief and suffering. Amy uses it about Paul. Daniel uses it about Charlotte. Sawyer uses it about Kate.
The only reason you think it's too late is because of the way you handled it before and how you still look at it. You can change it if you are willing to be flexible enough.
jack says he lost kate and wants to blow up their history together, juliet says she sees the way sawyer looks at kate and it's time to stop playing house so she's into blowing it up as well....they're essentially single at that moment, kate and sawyer just letting it happen because they want those two to be happy
I feel the same as Sawyer. I've made a lot of mistakes, but I would never want to go back and change it because like he said, what's done is done. I am who I am because of those mistakes.
Your perspective most likely is the sleazy kind if you see it that way, yes.Still there are other ways which have different schools of thought. And no one was talking about a crush, because that would admittedly side closer to your perspective, but I'm sure both of us were talking about someone we've actually had a relationship with to a point where actual love started growing. Nobody wishes that person to break a happy relationship, but some people know they can make her happier in a way.
Ah, I just discovered a comment that did say that exact thing, I forgot about it given that it's 3 months ago. It would do you good to respond to the right comment to avoid such mistakes. Being there for her is important when you wish to grow a better relationship. I didn't suggest being her lover or anything similar. If you love her enough, you can just be a great friend without any hidden motives. I'm all for respecting her relationship like you said, but you shouldn't hurt yourself for it.
Thanks for the reply. I wish that were true, it has been three years and she has moved on with someone else :( .. I would do anything for a second chance but I've missed it
Someone makes a reasonable suggestion to Jack. "Nah, it's too late for that. That would make too much sense. I'm just going to do whatever makes me the most miserable, even though I'm a world-renowned surgeon, reasonably wealthy, and so hot I could have any woman in the world. My life is ruff."
@@soheiladam7510 Got it. You have a massive crush on Matthew Fox and have never read the AMA guidelines. Matthew Fox was a 40 year-old man during the time this was filmed. He was old enough to be someone's grandfather. Pardon me if watching a grown ass man act like an adolescent with daddy issues isn't all that moving. He's the epitome of the "I'm going to my room dad!" character. And that doesn't make sense for a middle-aged man.
To your removed reply: The same as my last reply applies to it. It's not because she is with someone that you cannot show her your absolute love. Go see her, let it grow by itself, you just need to be around her, close enough to get that chance. Be her sun when she's in need. The reason anyone has a chance with someone is because they're in each others lives. If they're not, how can you magically expect to get it? You need to cross lives, and keep being around. If your love is right, it'll work.
@ShatteredOne2007 i'm totally agree with you my friend!!!!!! i love this scene !! poor jack !!! jack and kate love eachother!!!! they gonna end up together !!!
The ultimate rivalry, somehow it seems that Jack would always win against Sawyer in every aspect but somehow also not. I don't get it, it's really confusing as Kate loved both of them.
@Livin4God93 yea, i really like and appreciate the more mature sawyer. i love the old sawyer too but it's nice to see him start to show kindness to those around him, with the jokes still, of course =)
I think that swyer still deeply in love with Kate but he knows surely that he lost her exactly like what Jack feel And his ship with juleit it's like reality thing
Sawyer was never truly “in love” with Kate. He loved her physically but wasn’t actually in love with her emotionally like he was with Juliet. That’s why he was looking at Kate in season 5 because he still found her attractive but didn’t actually want a relationship with her because he was in love with Juliet.
See there's the paradox of time travel, it's hard to explain, but if it was only the island where the guys that we're leaving the island in 77 and going into the world would go into the future or disapear? You see, it had to be the whole world or else it wouldn't have any logic at all :)
+1747CT And more, Sun, Lapidus, Ben, etc. remained in 2007 and still were on the island, so why would there be a single timeline in the outer world and 2 on the island, id doesn't make any sense. The island's magnetic energy transported Jack, Hugo, Kate, etc. into the past, and they lived the events that led to the present we knew, and they only caused the present, it's all logical if you think about it long enough.
I think Jack as Juliet realised they were with the wrong person. That Sawyer and Kate were meant to be and that they ust have to give up. When Sawyer says "you will be strangers", Jack answers what's meant to be is meant to be, well in the Alt, up to now it seems what's meant to be is that Sawyer and Kate will be together, as they have already met twice.
This triangle felt to me like Jack is the good guy, Sawyer is the bad boy and Kate wants the bad boy but goes to the good guy when it does not work out. Sawyer has a lot of depth to him, so he wishes Jack and Kate worked it out as you said. But ultimately, Kate was always more drawn to Sawyer.
Kate loved Jack, but felt she was never good enough for the noble nature of Jack, never worthy of Jack. This comes from her realization that she is the biological daughter of Wayne. She's the product of a woman who deliberately chose to make her life with a loser drunk who beat his own wife AND spoke in a unseemly manner to his own daughter and the product of a disgusting pig of a man who took out his own feelings of worthlessness on a woman who doesn't value herself enough to get away from him. Mind you Kate's childhood father, the man who raised her...was a noble, honorable, dignified, decent man. Kind of like Jack. Kate chooses Sawyer a man she sees more as 'on par' with her. Sawyer at first comes off as a greedy, selfish, judgmental, crass, at times rather seedy individual. It's who Kate feels she measures up to. Jack is the heroic run into the burning wreckage, pull people out of danger, pour his own blood into dying patient, work tirelessly to the point of pure exhaustion to protect, safeguard and save those in his care. While Jack may be stubborn, and single-minded at times, Kate saw with her own eyes, it's aimed at saving lives. This stubborn single-mindedness saved Charlie's life. Kate gave up. Jack did NOT! Jack fought to get the Oceanic survivor's rescued...even as Widmore sent a search and destroy, scorched earth team to the Island. Kate loves Jack...with him she felt elevated and exonerated from the ghosts of her past, the accumulated sins of her previous nature. That's why she could NOT stand Jack's suspicion of her, his skepticism towards her, his distrust of her word. It reminded her of how she first felt when she began to have genuine feelings for Jack. It was ALWAYS Jack in her heart. She settled for Sawyer. But when she talked with Sawyer that night in the Dharma barracks just before Keamy's hit squad arrived, Kate realized she had ZERO future with Sawyer. When she cried when Sawyer revealed he was preparing to propose to Juliet, she tried for both the fact that her engagement with Jack was broken and that such a thing was NEVER in the cards for herself and Sawyer. She also felt immense guilt that Jack & Kate and Hurley and Sayid came to the Island and blew all that up.
What's kind of funny is that Jack was a stalker and cheated on his wife just like she cheated on him - and he kissed a patient who had just lost her father (Gross). He was just using people to work through his daddy issues. Having an affair with a patient facing paralysis wasn't his finest hour, either. Maybe two decades ago, he'd be considered a good guy, but by today's standards, he's a creepy, abusive stalker.
@@ko7577the Italian girl kissed him not the other way around and he stopped it and confessed to his wife immediately. and his wife was not his patient anymore when he had a relationship with her. stop projecting your own insecurities into characters dude. That's not healthy.
@@soheiladam7510 Stop worshipping a fictional character that you see on a screen more than using your own common sense. Kissing a dead patient's daughter right after he dies - or kissing her back - would in today's world get his medical license revoked and have him on the front page as "perv doctor." Even more disturbing, this happened in the hospital parking lot. It's not romantic. It's not a gray area. It's against AMA ethics and would actually have gotten him fired from the hospital with his license revoked. As for Sarah, he began hitting on her right during her surgery, it was obvious. That also was unethical and led to a trauma bond. That was the same 20 years ago as it is now. Both are a pattern of behavior that shows he's not a great guy. He's a shit. Also, the last time I checked, kissing someone "back" while you're married is cheating lol How sweet of him to admit it (who cares? He's already insufferable to live with, this just confirmed that she was right to begin ending it). Not everyone has time to deal with a 41 year-old man's daddy issues. Accept reality instead of letting your emotions control you during what amounts to a daytime soap opera set on an island. Just because Jack is pretty doesn't mean he's ethical, sane, or nice. He was a brooding, spoiled shit who was red flag central across the board with everyone he dealt with, a pimp-type character who slaps a woman one minute but gives her a 5-minute "We all get a second chance" speech the next minute and then goes back to criticizing her the next minute. He wasn't written to be a nice guy. He was written to be a real guy, but some people seem smitten because let's face it, Matthew Fox is hot.
Yeh, you pointed them out, you didn't give an example of what your 'better' way might be. Exactly what has your point become because you basically repeated yourself 5 times, and agreeing doesn't seem to do it for you, you just keep going.
The situation was that Kate would take Jack back in a heartbeat if he only would have the courage to ask her. The thing about Juliet is that she was the best thing for both Sawyer and Jack. They both fell for Kate but they came to realize that they would really only feel uncertainty, insecurity and constant suspicion with her. But with Juliet, they knew it's so much more better. She gives them both things that they both desperately need. Stability, security and true happiness. That's why Goodwin fell for Juliet because when he was with her, he was completely content. He felt truly happy and safe with her. He didn't have that with his wife Harper. He had an controlling wife so he was looking for a way out of his marriage to something more better. Juliet has always viewed herself as a other woman when in fact that's not what she's ever been to these three particular men. She's been the best thing that's ever happened to them.
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Sawyer growing from a bitter, angry criminal into a good, wise man who is at peace with himself is probably one of the best things about this show.
I liked the tragedy of the fact that Jack and his would-be rescuers are the ones who ripped Sawyer away from the peaceful Lafleur period and back into turmoil when his survival partner died.
I knew when sawyer was being a piece of shit in episode 1 he’s have the BEST character development. Love this show so much
I love the characters redeem themselves one way or another
@@Onigirlithat peaceful Lafleur period was gonna end one way or another with or without Jack.
The scene where he kill's cooper is so intense. His whole life leading to that point of revenge, and change.
Look at Jacks face. Look at how hard it was for him to admit to Sawyer about how he felt he lost Kate.
YASSSSSSS. Matthew Fox is so underrated for his performance as Jack. He deserved to win that Emmy and GG.
Absolutely
agreed!! so realistic
Jacks a catch Kate is a fugitive
I love how Jack became a man of faith.
Jack (the man of science and logic) and Locke (the man of spirituality and faith) have always opposed one another in terms of beliefs. But now that Locke’s dead, ever since Locke (as Bentham) said terrible things happened on the island after he left, Jack had to believe and trust what Locke said.
I honestly hated it, and he really didn’t end up any better for it
@@judigemini178yeah I’m glad but he started becoming apathetic and emotionless to any situation that someone needs help
Yeah, it's really heartwarming. Because he became a man of faith, he followed Ben back to the island and got Sun, Jin, and Sayid killed. Hell, he even got Jacob killed and then almost unleashed evil out into the world. Faith really got him places. But who cares about all those people who died and all the chaos and horrible things that happened. The important thing is that Jack found faith. Other people and the world be damned.
"I don't speak destiny. What I do understand is a man does what he does 'cause he wants something for himself." The best life quote from arguably the best character, in one of the best scenes, from one the best series of all time
"Because Jack... What's done is done." Wow, Josh delivered that line so perfectly. You can see the facial expression on Sawyer's face as he says it. He's a man who is truly at peace with himself. Such a GREAT character arc for Sawyer as opposed to the kind of person he was in season 1.
@LOSTfan81523 Jeez you little snitch, just let the poor Skater have her preference. Antagonizing these shippers are just gonna make them spread. Believe me I can't even talk about my favourite show Hannibal anymore without these absurd shippers insisting the two main characters are a gay pride icon.
What I really hate about this particular story arc is that this was the best Sawyer's life ever got, and Jack and the others coming back ruined it for him.
@@BigEyesSmallMouth they didn't ruin it for him. He had choices.
I don't know. Sawyer changed too much too quickly IMHO
Agreed. Show has always been about redemption. The writers definitely made some mistakes with mysteries but they did such an amazing job with character development that it was able to mask a lot of the shows flaws.
It's NOT just about Jack losing Kate. It's about the weight of all the people who died that Jack either couldn't save or put in harms way in his one-track obsessive effort to get everyone saved (and off the Island). He wants to UNDO the harm that befell everyone with the crash of Oceanic 815. Even if it means never having known Kate. It's an expression of Jack's self sacrificial quality; he's willing to lose the most important relationship of his life.
Sawyer is the other side of this. What's done is done. James became who he became...an actual leader who is shepherding (pun intended) others to safety. He's actually head of Dharma Security. All of that would NOT have happened but for the pains that he went through in his life. They made Sawyer become what he became the past 3 years with the DI.
And this all goes back to an exchange btw Sawyer & Locke, when they were jumping through time. Sawyer asked Locke why (when they came to the time when John was banging on the hatch door confused, angry and feeling betrayed that Boone died) he didn't go tell himself what was going to happen and save himself the misery. Locke said that pain is what brought him to where he is, what made him who he is...i.e., the leader of the Others and someone who would be communicating directly with the mysterious Jacob.
That exchange is why Sawyer doesn't get on the sub in 1974 and doesn't try to stop his father from shooting his mother or preventing Anthony Cooper from running the con on her.
Well the important thing is it's all about Jack. Sun, Jin, Sayid, and so many others died so that Jack could find abstract faith. It's almost as if he's willing to kill anyone around him just to find a little peace, even though compared to the other survivors, he lived a charmed life. Jack didn't need to find faith. He needed to find gratitude and stop using other people to make himself feel better.
sawyer is so funny lol..."well damn doc shes standing right on the other side of those trees, you want her back just ask her"
Nearly 10 months after the fact, and I still feel this way for reasons unknown.
What a perfect show. It spoke to nearly every thought & emotion any person could ever feel.
Sawyer is the best character. So well developed the whole way through, flawed and yet so endearing, likeable and relatable. He realises his own flaws and seriously does some growing up after season 4. I really think part of this is because of Juliet.
Sawyer is like the Spike of Lost in my opinion. In terms of character development.
Jack is the best character. The character development of Jack is one of the greatest things on television history.
he does have great development. so does ben
Sawyer sharing his most soul-crushing story, just to bring Jack back around... he really grew up.
I know the feeling of having something and being to stupid to realize it at the moment til it's too late :(
Team Solution I'am in the same boat with you, bro :(
True. I was doubting whether I wanted to ask someone out. You can guess what happened next.
I used to feel the same. Now Ive moved on. To quote Sawyer "whats done is done"
Made that mistake way too often.
Then u weren’t in love in the first place
He was damaged, just as locke said "all the knowledge will eat you up from the inside out" him being on the island.
The love of my life walked away almost 30 years ago and it still hurts even though now i realize it was best for me
Same here
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Get over it. She isn't the love of your life. She is the loss of your life. Wake up.
Its interesting to me how jack mentions destiny when hes trying to revert the past and Sawyer says he doesent believe in destiny when he accepts What's done is done.
smart observation
Jack's story always breaks my heart, he's so lonely, so broken....he just wants to do one good thing in his life and that's to make up for all the suffering people he's met have been through, I've loved Jack since first instant that opened that eye and I know I wasn't wrong
i like how jack used saywer's line in the end: "if its meant to be, its meant to be"
For once, James was the voice of reason here.
But Jack had to blow up the bomb
@@kbanghart why again?
@@1polyron1 it was the whole "incident" time loop thing.
I have a man crush on Sawyers Haircut
Bengie P. Scene Haha, the same with me right now! :D And I have hair like his now, yet he is the GOD of that haircut.
+Simeon Monev Haha I was trying for that Haircut, but then "I had her, and then I lost her" and ended up Shaving my head Lmfao. I pretty much have that haircut now though, after so long lol. Sorry for the loooooong ass Reply.
It looks like a simple haircut but fuck the gods... I have to thin it every fucking month, because it's really thick. How do you cut yours to look like his? I just thin the back of it and remove the extra bulk from the ends. It's cool to be with long hair, but it takes time to style it exactly like you want.
A beautiful scene
Having been in love, I deeply understand how Jack felt... I really do.
But for Sawyer to reveal his most soul-crushing story just to bring Jack back around... he wouldn't do that for just anyone.
"Well damn Doc she is standing right behind those trees if you want her back just go and ask her"never agreed Sawyer this much about sth 😂😂😂
2:34 when jack says its too late Sawyer’s face is like he knows what does it mean when it is too late to get her back.
Too bad you ended it here. I love the part where Sawyer yells: "Who do you think you are! We had a life here!"
Love how Sawyer becomes the ultimate Jater and tells Jack to go get his woman back. Jack wants Kate so badly but he thinks he fucked it all to hell, so he'll blow up a bomb to have a fresh start with her. But Kate still loves Jack and she always did. It kills me that the two of them were torn apart by fate and circumstance.
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Yep because the reset would mean Kate going to prison.
It was for another chance with Kate and to bring back all the people that died. Sawyer called him out on it. He asked Jack what he wanted another chance at so bad that he was willing to blow up a bomb over. He asked what Jack wanted for himself and Jack immediately mentioned Kate. That is in the show. Those are Jack's very own words.
He didn't specifically said that he wants another chance with Kate. Jack did however specifically said that, "all the misery that we've been through, we'd wipe it clean. never happen." He said this after Faraday got shot by his mother, and Jack & Kate got captured and was put in a tent.
So as someone stated above, that Jack just wants his pain to go away. Faraday promises that Jack in the future will not have to go through this. I think this Jack (traveled back in time) wanted the Jack of the future to not go through it. Empathy for a version of his own self.
I used be like Jack. Would have done anything to go back and fix things.
Now I’m more like Sawyer. What’s done is done. Heal and move on.
Whats even funnier is the scene right after their fight when Juliet changes her mind and Sawyer goes ballistic..
2:23 - Jack shaking his head was so cute!
at 2:25 was Jack trying not to cry?
The moment Jack became Jack-Locke.
Jocke.
I miss Lost so much.
Both their characters changed so much. Compare this scene to a season 1 scene between the two. Just amazing.
This is one of the greatest scenes I have ever watched.
Btw... 108 385 views.
Now 185,000
These are the saddest words I've ever heard in a TV show. Miss you LOST. ♥
Jack was so confused in this scene. He doesn't even know what or why he's willing a to go through the plan of action. He puts the blame on Locke for his decisions. Sawyer really dug into his core intentions, and Jack admitted it. That Jack is doing it for himself because of Kate because he is miserable. Unlike Sawyer at this stage being happy and dandy by saying "Whats done is done."
Peter Ton I do not think Jack was so confused. It was indeed Eloise who did all she could to make them return to the island, that same Eloise, who was a witness of all that had happened, and who took the risk in killing her own son AGAIN! I think Jack was convinced it had to be done, no matter what the outcome. And he was right in the end. The explosion of the H-bomb was able to neutralize the electromagnetic catastrophe that was about to unfold. If they landed in 70's, that was why...
I would differ on two points--1) that Jack is confused. Jack truly believes in Faraday, the ultimate "man of science" who believes that the energy of Jughead's detonation may prevent the hatch from being built, which would mean Oceanic 815 never crashes on the Island (Joanna doesn't drown, Boone does die, Ana Lucia doesn't shoot Shannon, Michael doesn't kill Ana Lucia and Libby etc etc etc). It's NOT just about Kate. He says this to Sawyer because Jack thinks that Kate is a common denominator between the two of them. Jack believes that Sawyer has great affection for Kate and he also "lost" Kate. So Jack drills it down to a very person loss because he thinks that Sawyer sees the world "THAT WAY".
2) It's NOT about Kate. It's about avoiding all the lives that were lost when Oceanic 815 crashed & all those who died after. It's Jack being able to in one fell swoop undo everything that he failed at--saving Boone, preventing Ana Lucia and Libby's death, avoiding the Marshall's death, Joanna's drowning, Claire's disappearance, etc, etc etc. And Jack's willing to sacrifice everything good that ever happened for him...Kate, the validation/status as the leader, beginning to feel like he has what it takes. It's later why Jack just quickly jumps up and accepts Jacob's job!
@@victorpradha9946 7 years ago phew! I’ve grown out of my original interpretation, I will agree about your assessment on the common denominator being Jack’s and Sawyer’s Kate.
I think your two points would be valid, and does not have to be one or the other.
@@siso7274 I stand corrected after 7 years. I had viewed this scene through my own perspective and biases, and not the character themselves. Jack was most definitely not confused. He had a strong conviction in what he wanted to do. After all that beating from Sawyer, Jack still wanted to go through with it; legendary.
Sometimes in the show it irritated me how these two men could talk to each other--their rivals!--of their feelings for Kate but they could never really tell her. They had her all mixed up because she had to interpret what each of them meant, clouding her judgment and leaving her unable to read her own feelings. Just tell her! She's right there! What good does it do to tell the other man she had feelings for of your feelings for her?
Jack and Sawyer are friends, Sure there was a love triangle but Sawyer never rubbed it in Jack's face that she sleep with him. Jack doesn't want to loose Kate again, Hell he probably is trying to fight his feelings for Kate, just look at the expression on his face right before he says "I had Her".
It's irritating but perfectly understandable. I think these things happen in true love triangles all the time (I mean true in the sense that there's no real animosity between the 2 wanting the lucky person's affection for themselves). So you end up with this interesting dynamic where their cowardice has them confiding in each other instead of the 3rd person. Jack should've told her he still wants her as badly as he did in the beginning but he's become discouraged over whether he deserves her love. It's possibly why he told Sawyer first, hoping his response might give him some courage. I have no personal experience in this stuff so I may just be talking out of my ass
@@Onigirli yeah that sounds about right
Edriss Scofield remember too he lost his first wife, and ever since then, any relationship he’s had afterwards is more of a fling by that point. Jack hasn’t been able to hold a stable relationship so now more than ever it seems he’s accepting that fate of isolation (something that’s plagued him ever since he told all the 815 survivors “live together die alone”)
@@EricGraham94 Yes, so true. I loved Jack with the thai girl, they were so cute together as opposite to sarah, there I felt insecure, what jack wanted: did he felt responsible for her, was he in love and vice versa? I never knew. But like before with Sarah, he wanted more and more control and followed achara, forced her to tatoo him. He had learned nothing from the past and repeated his sick behaviour to kate. Three times messed up, all 3 women left him crying.
For me it was always Jack and Kate right from the start!❤❤❤
I laughed so hard watching him punch jack in the face i forgot about this scene but the way this video just ended the second he gets punched, hilarious
“If it’s meant to be, *it’s meant to be* ...”
It looks like Sawyer is quite insane in this scene at the end, but you can understand him: He was content with life he had on the island by Dharma people with his blondie but suddenly Jack comes and ruins everything. If I was Sawyer, I would also bee pissed off, just like that.
Darma people died some time after that (not quite sure how long after). The Others killed then with poison gas. But you have a point.
Marek Marecki true. I guess if he oceanic 6 never went back, the peeps still on the island would end up like the dharma initiative... never thought of that
@Zach Jersey Nobody is guilty or has done wrong, because no one had a plan or know what to do. Sawyer waited for them ' as long as it takes'. He also knew, that the Dharma people would be killed, so he and his friends had to look for rescue and alternative - sooner or later. Ben and Locke convinced or treated the Oceanic 6 to go back to rescue them ( every time they talked with Locke or Ben, it's said: you have to go back.) But real Locke was dead and they didn't know, that they returned in 1977. It was a difficult situation. It was not fair to give sawyer such dialogues like' we had a good life here until you come 'and so on.
@@verenamenzel4701 So true, "Lafleur" spelled it out for us what was going on with Sawyer. He said he'd wait 'as long as it takes' and you know he wasn't talking about Locke, it's KATE he was waiting for! And when he sees Amy's grief over Paul, he SO relates because he is feeling the same way. Just look at his face. (this episode is SO well-written and foreshadows SO much .. at the beginning Horace is drunk out of his mind and The Others are afraid he is "going to blow himself up!" Because Amy still loves Paul! He is JUST like Juliet, who, at the end of the season, really DOES blow herself up from jealousy!) Sawyer does the lying for the group because "I used to lie for a living". Then Juliet reminds him "the flashes have stopped." They're stuck in '70s Dharmaville. He has to work fast on Juliet unless he wants to be alone (or mate with a polar bear, as Josh H. said, lol). Sawyer turns on the charm and Juliet responds to it. Just the way Cassidy and countless others did. Three years later he is known as "LaFleur" to The Others, 'James' to Juliet (later the Others announce to Jack that Sawyer HATES being called 'James') but far from being satisfied with his Dharma life, he is actually "living a lie". We see him go up to Jin to ask if he found anything on the 'grid search' .. he is still hoping for Locke to bring back Kate. But I think the moment Juliet delivers that baby touches him, he has grown really fond of her, and I think this is when he starts to think about 'letting go' of Kate. Especially after talking to Horace, and realizing how much Amy's hanging on to Paul is hurting Horace. He's been doing the same thing with Kate. I feel like when he lies - as always - to Horace about 'being over' Kate, he is actually trying to convince himself. "this has gone on long enough". But then the next day, when he finds out Kate actually HAS returned, he lies to Juliet about it .. and then when he sees Kate his disguise (the glasses) comes off and he is just Sawyer again. Reunited with his lost love. Like Sawyer said to Kate in "What Kate Does", "it's not your fault she's dead. It's mine."
@@bertramsey sorry, saw your comment now completly.( Yesterday not, only until jealousy). Wow, big work! It's quite interesting, what you had figured out.When they hug each other, after being separated for 3 years, his face- expression seemed so satisfied and lucky. And in the evening, when they look at each other on the verandas, he looked so yearning. I saw the whole problem was, that nobody had a plan, when they come back. None of them. Sawyer found quickly a good solution, but Sayid messed up the whole effort.Has you any declaration for his name la fleur= the flower or is that meaningless? Your last sentence/scene you mentioned I don't understand. Who is dead? Ana Lulu or libby or..? In my notices I found an other quote of Josh: 'Kate simply exists. And Sawyer's love for her is undeniable. Both have tried to avoid it in every way possible, but it doesn't matter.They get stuck together once again.'
just noticed when jack gets up to leave hes far away but when sawyer gets up and talks they're right beside eachother
Today I have finish Lost❤❤ 2/9/17
"I had Her and I lost Her."
Yeah. Can't really argue with that. I don't think I'll ever get over that.
this clip cuts off perfectly
the main-message -relating to Jack is: it's meant to be, it's meant to be.He didn't care, if he would recognize Kate after the bomb or if she goes to prison. And to Sawyer: he is not willing to wipe out the past, he wants to recognize his friends again- not meet them as strangers.
yes, it's the classic "whatever happened happened" (Sawyer) vs. "I didn't think I could change anything. But now I think maybe I can" (Jack), and we saw this dichotomy in the person of Faraday. He changed his mind because of his love for Charlotte.
@@bertramsey o let me go with faraday. A big part. that I couldn't go with it in S.4and5- like the seasons before, was Farrady- he drove me mad. He also talked a lot b.sh.When he returned to dharmavlle and talked with jack in the early morning, he claimed, that it was a fault to come back. But the candidates had to go back, so what he means. 'Life is a road to go forwards and backwards, but you cannot build a new one.' Suddenly he thought we could. But we cannot rebuild our lifes. And he and charlotte didn't recognize each other as well, so what about that new road, if it leads to nowhere.
@@verenamenzel4701 yeah, but Daniel&Charlotte were paralleled a lot with Sawyer&Kate. When Sawyer banged on the hatch to make Desmond come out .. and then Daniel said "no no you can't change anything" and Sawyer said "everybody I care about just blew up on that dam ship" of COURSE "everybody I care about" means KATE, because as soon as Daniel sees Charlotte's nose bleeding, he hightails it to Desmond's door to desperately try to change EVERYTHING to save Charlotte - the same way Sawyer will do ANYTHING to bring Kate back to him. The desperate measures he goes to! For Faraday it is ALL about Charlotte, and for Sawyer it is ALL about Kate. (and later we hear that same 'everybody you care about' from Richard to Sawyer .. which STILL means Kate. Just like when John asks Kate "don't you care about 'them'?" he really means Sawyer.
@@bertramsey exactly, they brought the same sentences in certain scenes, which should show the same meanings to different people in different situations. Also locke said something like that: I had to bring them back and if I had to die for it. And he did. Locke felt himself guilty for not been there, when they were captured by the Others- instead he blew up the hatch and caused mr. ekos dead at last. Another thing was, that different people in different scenes claimed: if you do this, you and all people around you had to die.S.t. it was a lie ( Ben, widmore, Mr. eko....
@@verenamenzel4701 "sonofabitch" is a phrase associated with Sawyer, and IMO, when another character says "SOAB" it is a reference to Sawyer somehow. When Nicki pours the diamonds into her hand in "Expose" she says "SOAB". When Jack steps on the Star Wars toy that represents Han Solo in "Something Nice Back Home," he says "SOAB". When Bernard sees Sawyer, Juliet and Kate in "The Incident" he says "SOAB". I'm sure there are more.
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I'll never understand, why Jack is so unreasonable to say, that he is willing to set aside Kate. He's not ready to give her/them a chance, neither yet here nor after the time shift through the bomb. He's so obsessed to live and stay on this island, that' s his priority. But is that true love? For me, it seemes, Jack is still so stubborn as we saw it in the past. Sawyer developes much better.
I think Jack felt that Kate has always loved Sawyer and she was only with him because Sawyer jumped. He also felt guilty because Sawyer jumped instead of him. Kate's attachment to Aaron and, by association Sawyer, drove him up the wall! But he loved her enough to try to overcome all that. Still his guilt over all the people left behind on the island finally got the better of him and he knew he had to go back and fulfill his destiny. It wasn't about him and Kate any more. This was bigger than both of them. Kate&Sawyer didn't understand, but Juliet did. And, in the end, Kate&Sawyer realized it too.
@@bertramsey That remembered me to a statement of evangeline: Jack was not Kate's purpose, and Kate was not Jack's purpose .Although on pennys ship, when they talked about the future of aaron, Kate mentioned, she would keep the boy, because they have lost so many friends, Jack said: sawyer is not dead and she answers: but he's not here. So it was pretty clear for Jack, that she stll loves Sawyer.
the reason, why sawyer was flipping out was , when Jack said, it doesn't matter (it's meant to be) if he would recognize Kate after the bomb. Jack wanted to wipe out the time on the island, sawyer not. That includes, nobody would recognize each other. Sawyer still loves kate and he is not ready to lose her. He was waiting for her 3 years. Later , when Jack and Kate were waiting near the swan to find opportunity to threw the bomb, they had nearly the same conversation. Jack said, he would wipe out all the horror they had on the island, kate said, not all was bad here and they wouldn't recognize each other.
@@verenamenzel4701 Yes, Kate said "he's gone" about Sawyer. That phrase is used, not only in this episode but especially in "LaFleur", to denote deep grief and suffering. Amy uses it about Paul. Daniel uses it about Charlotte. Sawyer uses it about Kate.
@@verenamenzel4701 Of course, and Kate doesn't want to forget about Sawyer and Aaron, either! Jack is an ass.
The only reason you think it's too late is because of the way you handled it before and how you still look at it. You can change it if you are willing to be flexible enough.
That would have been an interesting episode, James confronts his dad...and gives him the note (if it hadn't been torn up)
my favoris serie
I'm a massive Jack and Kate fan, but even I cheered Sawyer when he battered Jack!!! I was like, Idiot! Why did you let her go?!"
You've got a chance every day, you're just missing it because you don't realize it.
Nostalgic 🤍
Sawyer's five minutes wasn't up though! They only talked for three!
I guess I'm one of the few suckers that believes Jack loved Kate this entire time...
rainkinggw he does buddy. Even 9 years later
@@Cinder- agreed
jack says he lost kate and wants to blow up their history together, juliet says she sees the way sawyer looks at kate and it's time to stop playing house so she's into blowing it up as well....they're essentially single at that moment, kate and sawyer just letting it happen because they want those two to be happy
I feel the same as Sawyer. I've made a lot of mistakes, but I would never want to go back and change it because like he said, what's done is done. I am who I am because of those mistakes.
Sawyer perfect bad guy .... Jack perfect good guy.... same as Walking dead Rick and Daryl
They are contradicting each other at all levels.
great.. now i have to watch it all again.. (3rd time)
Sawyer really grew as a character.
When it words it hear almost weep because my most important love has remembered me ;/
If Jack and Kate don't end up together, I think I'm going to bomb Hawaii or something.
Patricia Sotto Well, they did. :)
Patricia Sotto lolz
Wow :)
cancelled
We DID get that false alarm of Hawaii getting nuked...
I love Jack and Sawyer's bromance!
Your perspective most likely is the sleazy kind if you see it that way, yes.Still there are other ways which have different schools of thought. And no one was talking about a crush, because that would admittedly side closer to your perspective, but I'm sure both of us were talking about someone we've actually had a relationship with to a point where actual love started growing. Nobody wishes that person to break a happy relationship, but some people know they can make her happier in a way.
@rainlover121 kate didn't die....
she got off the island.
If you want her back, just go and ask her! Epic
Sawyer wouldn't won this fight without a cheap low blow.
Ah, I just discovered a comment that did say that exact thing, I forgot about it given that it's 3 months ago. It would do you good to respond to the right comment to avoid such mistakes. Being there for her is important when you wish to grow a better relationship. I didn't suggest being her lover or anything similar. If you love her enough, you can just be a great friend without any hidden motives. I'm all for respecting her relationship like you said, but you shouldn't hurt yourself for it.
Thanks for the reply. I wish that were true, it has been three years and she has moved on with someone else :( .. I would do anything for a second chance but I've missed it
Why would you put up this scene and not put up the fight? DOWNVOTE
LOL exactly
I just have to know, are you still mad after all this time?
@@kbanghart I am
@@eri6903 lol
Someone makes a reasonable suggestion to Jack.
"Nah, it's too late for that. That would make too much sense. I'm just going to do whatever makes me the most miserable, even though I'm a world-renowned surgeon, reasonably wealthy, and so hot I could have any woman in the world. My life is ruff."
you're one if those people who don't understand the story or the characters.
@@soheiladam7510 Got it. You have a massive crush on Matthew Fox and have never read the AMA guidelines.
Matthew Fox was a 40 year-old man during the time this was filmed. He was old enough to be someone's grandfather. Pardon me if watching a grown ass man act like an adolescent with daddy issues isn't all that moving. He's the epitome of the "I'm going to my room dad!" character. And that doesn't make sense for a middle-aged man.
To your removed reply: The same as my last reply applies to it. It's not because she is with someone that you cannot show her your absolute love. Go see her, let it grow by itself, you just need to be around her, close enough to get that chance. Be her sun when she's in need. The reason anyone has a chance with someone is because they're in each others lives. If they're not, how can you magically expect to get it? You need to cross lives, and keep being around. If your love is right, it'll work.
@ShatteredOne2007 i'm totally agree with you my friend!!!!!!
i love this scene !!
poor jack !!!
jack and kate love eachother!!!!
they gonna end up together !!!
its too late for that > heartbreaking
The ultimate rivalry, somehow it seems that Jack would always win against Sawyer in every aspect but somehow also not. I don't get it, it's really confusing as Kate loved both of them.
Kate only loved Jack. If you watched the series accurately, you'd get it.
So funny where the vid ends lol
@Livin4God93 yea, i really like and appreciate the more mature sawyer. i love the old sawyer too but it's nice to see him start to show kindness to those around him, with the jokes still, of course =)
my exact scenario... lost her and it's too late :(
I think that swyer still deeply in love with Kate but he knows surely that he lost her exactly like what Jack feel
And his ship with juleit it's like reality thing
Sawyer was never truly “in love” with Kate. He loved her physically but wasn’t actually in love with her emotionally like he was with Juliet. That’s why he was looking at Kate in season 5 because he still found her attractive but didn’t actually want a relationship with her because he was in love with Juliet.
Wait... Does the time travel effect the outside world too. I've always thought it was just the island that was traveling through time.
+1747CT Not the island specifically; the people. The survivors were going back into time.
+1747CT Actually the whole world was going back in time, cause if it was only the island then that wouldn't make any sense ;)
+TheOny013 if it was the whole world, then how were Sun, Lapidus, Ben in 2007 and Jack and the rest in Dharma time.
See there's the paradox of time travel, it's hard to explain, but if it was only the island where the guys that we're leaving the island in 77 and going into the world would go into the future or disapear? You see, it had to be the whole world or else it wouldn't have any logic at all :)
+1747CT And more, Sun, Lapidus, Ben, etc. remained in 2007 and still were on the island, so why would there be a single timeline in the outer world and 2 on the island, id doesn't make any sense. The island's magnetic energy transported Jack, Hugo, Kate, etc. into the past, and they lived the events that led to the present we knew, and they only caused the present, it's all logical if you think about it long enough.
Let's be clear. Just because you were trying to force someone to be in an imaginary relationship, does not mean that person wanted you.
Anyone know the song(s) playing in this scene? Thanks
I think Jack as Juliet realised they were with the wrong person. That Sawyer and Kate were meant to be and that they ust have to give up.
When Sawyer says "you will be strangers", Jack answers what's meant to be is meant to be, well in the Alt, up to now it seems what's meant to be is that Sawyer and Kate will be together, as they have already met twice.
gemmasasha You are obviously wrong, Jack ended up with Kate
jack would of won if sawyer wasnt a cheap fighter with that nut shot
A fighter uses every tool at his disposal
@@kbanghart A cheap fighter.
what a scene.
Jack should have fight more to stay with Kate.
Jack would kick Sawyers ass in a fair fight
Creeperbuddy 04 Never, sawyer is a real fighter and I dont know how he did not win easily against a doc
Nope
Jack won here until Sawyer had to kick him in the nuts...
sawyer fights dirty though, that's his thing
You realize Sawyer has boxing experience right. Sawyer would kick his ass in any fair fight
This triangle felt to me like Jack is the good guy, Sawyer is the bad boy and Kate wants the bad boy but goes to the good guy when it does not work out. Sawyer has a lot of depth to him, so he wishes Jack and Kate worked it out as you said. But ultimately, Kate was always more drawn to Sawyer.
It's the other way round. Kate loved Jack.
Kate loved Jack, but felt she was never good enough for the noble nature of Jack, never worthy of Jack. This comes from her realization that she is the biological daughter of Wayne. She's the product of a woman who deliberately chose to make her life with a loser drunk who beat his own wife AND spoke in a unseemly manner to his own daughter and the product of a disgusting pig of a man who took out his own feelings of worthlessness on a woman who doesn't value herself enough to get away from him. Mind you Kate's childhood father, the man who raised her...was a noble, honorable, dignified, decent man. Kind of like Jack. Kate chooses Sawyer a man she sees more as 'on par' with her. Sawyer at first comes off as a greedy, selfish, judgmental, crass, at times rather seedy individual. It's who Kate feels she measures up to.
Jack is the heroic run into the burning wreckage, pull people out of danger, pour his own blood into dying patient, work tirelessly to the point of pure exhaustion to protect, safeguard and save those in his care. While Jack may be stubborn, and single-minded at times, Kate saw with her own eyes, it's aimed at saving lives. This stubborn single-mindedness saved Charlie's life. Kate gave up. Jack did NOT!
Jack fought to get the Oceanic survivor's rescued...even as Widmore sent a search and destroy, scorched earth team to the Island. Kate loves Jack...with him she felt elevated and exonerated from the ghosts of her past, the accumulated sins of her previous nature. That's why she could NOT stand Jack's suspicion of her, his skepticism towards her, his distrust of her word. It reminded her of how she first felt when she began to have genuine feelings for Jack.
It was ALWAYS Jack in her heart. She settled for Sawyer. But when she talked with Sawyer that night in the Dharma barracks just before Keamy's hit squad arrived, Kate realized she had ZERO future with Sawyer. When she cried when Sawyer revealed he was preparing to propose to Juliet, she tried for both the fact that her engagement with Jack was broken and that such a thing was NEVER in the cards for herself and Sawyer. She also felt immense guilt that Jack & Kate and Hurley and Sayid came to the Island and blew all that up.
What's kind of funny is that Jack was a stalker and cheated on his wife just like she cheated on him - and he kissed a patient who had just lost her father (Gross). He was just using people to work through his daddy issues. Having an affair with a patient facing paralysis wasn't his finest hour, either. Maybe two decades ago, he'd be considered a good guy, but by today's standards, he's a creepy, abusive stalker.
@@ko7577the Italian girl kissed him not the other way around and he stopped it and confessed to his wife immediately.
and his wife was not his patient anymore when he had a relationship with her.
stop projecting your own insecurities into characters dude. That's not healthy.
@@soheiladam7510 Stop worshipping a fictional character that you see on a screen more than using your own common sense. Kissing a dead patient's daughter right after he dies - or kissing her back - would in today's world get his medical license revoked and have him on the front page as "perv doctor." Even more disturbing, this happened in the hospital parking lot. It's not romantic. It's not a gray area. It's against AMA ethics and would actually have gotten him fired from the hospital with his license revoked. As for Sarah, he began hitting on her right during her surgery, it was obvious. That also was unethical and led to a trauma bond. That was the same 20 years ago as it is now. Both are a pattern of behavior that shows he's not a great guy. He's a shit. Also, the last time I checked, kissing someone "back" while you're married is cheating lol How sweet of him to admit it (who cares? He's already insufferable to live with, this just confirmed that she was right to begin ending it). Not everyone has time to deal with a 41 year-old man's daddy issues.
Accept reality instead of letting your emotions control you during what amounts to a daytime soap opera set on an island. Just because Jack is pretty doesn't mean he's ethical, sane, or nice. He was a brooding, spoiled shit who was red flag central across the board with everyone he dealt with, a pimp-type character who slaps a woman one minute but gives her a 5-minute "We all get a second chance" speech the next minute and then goes back to criticizing her the next minute. He wasn't written to be a nice guy. He was written to be a real guy, but some people seem smitten because let's face it, Matthew Fox is hot.
i feel you Jack
Yeh, you pointed them out, you didn't give an example of what your 'better' way might be. Exactly what has your point become because you basically repeated yourself 5 times, and agreeing doesn't seem to do it for you, you just keep going.
The situation was that Kate would take Jack back in a heartbeat if he only would have the courage to ask her.
The thing about Juliet is that she was the best thing for both Sawyer and Jack. They both fell for Kate but they came to realize that they would really only feel uncertainty, insecurity and constant suspicion with her.
But with Juliet, they knew it's so much more better. She gives them both things that they both desperately need. Stability, security and true happiness. That's why Goodwin fell for Juliet because when he was with her, he was completely content. He felt truly happy and safe with her. He didn't have that with his wife Harper. He had an controlling wife so he was looking for a way out of his marriage to something more better. Juliet has always viewed herself as a other woman when in fact that's not what she's ever been to these three particular men. She's been the best thing that's ever happened to them.
My gosh I Love Sawyer!
Sad :(
people think that all this is about Kate, it's not.
THINK THE SAME HERE
Who the hell do you think you are!?!?! I had a life here!!!!
2:10 💔
The ending 😂
Sawyer and jack like rick and darryl
what is the music that starts at 2:12 please ?
Hi. Did you find it?
@@berkin7954Hello, are you my family?
It's a problem either way because you make it one.