Which is Best? CA Fixed Magazine Systems Compared!
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- In this video, I test out 3 different CA Compliant Fixed Magazine systems. Juggernaut Tactical Hellfighter Kit, AR Maglock, and the Hogue Freedom Fighter Kit compared! I test how quickly I can unlock the system, drop the magazine, and reload.
Great breakdown!
Sup mr may
I’m using the Juggernaut with AR Mag lock Gen 1. I trimmed the Gen 1 down with a dremel so it would work when upper is popped open. I didn’t install the other piece as I wanted to keep the bolt open after last shot.
What part of the ar mag did u trim? If you don’t mine me asking and what other piece did u not install can u let me know thank you
How?
please explain how (asking for a friend)
My friend said that's impossible......I told him you did it......Can you help me prove him wrong.....Can you Show him how you did it so he can shut up?
@@keyoflife24I also did this the same way tuna said and it works. You take the maglock off and grind/file the top down to the point where it will fit in the gap that the hellfighter opens up and put it back together. Easy peasy. Press the hellfighter button then press the maglock/release and it will come out like a regular mag release. So you press 2 things not one. 🤷♂️ easy
I’m glad someone told the the truth! It isn’t just us in California who deal with BS. Yeah maybe we have it worse but it is what it is.
It is what it is in other words yes walk all over me and I will allow the state to lean me over by infringing on my 2nd Amendment rights got it 👍
There are like 6 other states that suck just as much or more than us.
The other is deposing are government
I don't understand why folks in CA follow these ridiculous laws.... or why they still live there.. it's only going to get worse 😢
@@americafirst1959 it’s actually in the process of getting better in Ca as long as the court cases in appeal end up being decided in line with the constitution. And yes we all “follow the law all time thing here!” 🙄. Especially as far as the comments section on RUclips is concerned 😁. You don’t want to have to end up in a boating accident with all your guns at the bottom of a lake.
Compmag doesn’t get enough love, 15 seconds and you have a regular AR15, No weirdness needed, no “permanent” parts.
I actually didn’t know that about the hogue!!!
It also looks completely normal as well!
The quick compliance reversal
@@RenoMay Thanks for watching, Reno!
Yeah I can see a "problem" with the Hogue is that it looks "normal". When you have "overt compliance" you may be less likely to get pressed by anti-gun cops.
What take down pin are you using with the hogue kit?
Few months late but hogue freedom fighter with the maglock rear pin has been the most reliable for me 👍
Subscribed after the first 2 minutes. Just the video I was looking for!
Hopefully I’ll have time to make more. Kids and job takes a lot out of me!
@@JeffNeelzebub right on man! I’ll definitely tune in when you put out some more content.
Great video. Not so easy for everyone to just say “man screw these gun laws im moving!” And leave California 😆 some people gotta make do with what we got . Fight for the rights for our state and every other state!!
you are absolutely correct with California being the front line. Thank you for sharing that prospective!
I agree although i don't have the houge I do have the Ar Maglock which is very inconsistent. There is a small screw on the Mag release side that secures the mag release button if you get it too tight it wont work if the button is loose than release the Mag without breaking the action.
A fellow LAIC! Thanks for the information for all of us Last Americans In California
When your relaid trying using the charging handle to press down on the top of the upper it helps with saving 1 extra step
Lmao "soooo stfu, we all know its infringement"
So true man. As a Californian yes we know it sucks lol that and oh just move...ya ok lol
I regret going featureless. I just wanted the rifle to function regularly.
My favorite is The kingpin along with a Gen 2 AR maglock I like the bolt catch
On California AR 10 the upper would open if the bolt is open. So you need to load after every magazine change.
I appreciate people wanting to come up with these solutions. I just can't use any of these since I'm left handed.
Look a little further in the video. You’ll notice that my recommended setup is on a fully ambidextrous AR pistol. Ambi mag release, and ambi bolt catch. The takedown pin is setup for right hand, but can be easily manipulated with the left hand. However, they do have a “hyper switch” product that makes takedown easier for lefties. armaglock.com/product/hyperswitch-for-223-5-56-ar-maglock-ar-15-223-5-56-hyperswitch/
look at stag arms, they make left handed rifles
The Hyperswitch isn't that good. I have it on mine and it doesn't keep the upper in place like the Kingpin. The upper will flop all the way open. They have a buffer with a screw to keep the upper from flopping open but I find that all too often the buffer rotates so the screw is on the bottom and then the upper won't open enough for the maglock to work.
I too am a lefty and if I took my AR out to play more often i'd swap the Hyperswitch for a Kingpin and learn to suffer with the inconvenience.
0:47 that music had me in tears laughing😂 god tier Cali state legislature meme
I think at 13:27 answered most folks question on CalGuns about action being opened and firing the weapon.. I can be wrong lol
Yeah I think the question is if you have something like an MCX or BRN-18, then it doesn’t matter because it will cycle with it without the action open.
Juggernaut with AR maglock works as well. 👍👍
Doing this for a cheap andro corp I just bought !
Did you have to shave anything down
@@brownbouy3043nothing... no shaving required
Thanks for making this video. I’m new to the Cali ar compliance bs
Thanks for the detailed description
The Hogue is interesting, but drilling into my receiver isn't something I'm super keen on. I'll likely have to put together another of my cheaper blem lowers so that I can have it be compliant with the new BS in CT.
Also live in ct, watching because of the new laws
Sad state…of affairs..
This cancer MUST be ..etc
Train, prepare..
Just A box a week…A Box a Month at least..Food, prep, Etc
It adds up fast, and you will sleep much better.
Thanks for this
Thanks, man!
Thanks for the demo's , just more proof on why feature less is superior and will remain that way---imo😉
I have featureless and mag locked. For AR pistols, you can only do mag locked, which is why this video is important, I think.
Finally, a channel that doesn't just waste time crying about California laws. We've heard it all. Enough already. Let the man teach us.
Wait we can shoot in the San Berdoo National Forest? Where? Anywhere? Thank you for the info!
AR Maglock gen 4 is adjustable to prevent it from hitting your upper when closing. Just an fyi
The juggernaut tac system is annoying AF when you bolt locks back after the last round. You have to drop the bolt back into battery, then unlock the receiver and then drop the mag, then click the receivers back together and then put in the loaded mag. I’m always thinking something is wrong with my system because I forget to drop the bolt. In addition, this is super dangerous if your not sure the weapon is clear when your going through the reloading process. All these CA laws seam to do is make an amazingly safe and well working gun unsafe for the user and anyone down range.
Nice but personally I’ll just wait until either the ban is lifted or I move next year which ever one comes first.
14:20 - They're counting on you copping this attitude.
All kits render the weapon useless in the open position. I’ve also tried firing (accidentally) in the separation mode.
Shall not be infringed. I will not comply with illegal rules.
Great video, very informational. Thanks.
great review, nice build. Is the folding stock an evil features ? because i want one.
For mag locked, it’s not. For featureless, it may not be legal.
i have the juggernaut hellfighter and the bolt has held open many times forcing me to have to hold the charging handle back while pressing down on the bullet rest in the mag. it's absolutely stupid and a totally unnecessary problem to have if shit were to hit the fan, that stupid little mess up could result in my death or anyone else that has this burden.
I just got the F.N.G.R....for somebody who has multiple AR's and a clock to check time, your loading those mags like they were pistol mags...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
shoot, press mag release , lick and bite lip, reload LOL
I won’t be surprised if the ATF wants to ban this setup because people are configuring it in a way that we can still handle the weapon fast and accurate😂
Everyone of these things sucks so much. You have to modify your rifle to accommodate these things. The Compmag seems like the most easy compliance device. That’s the least invasive. I don’t even use my rifles anymore but if I did, that would be the device I use.
I have the AR Mag Lock with the King Pin. Bought it years ago when it came out. Haven't really revisited this in a while. The problem i have is my upper and lower receiver doesn't open enough when the bolt locks back for the AR Mag Lock to slide through. Any suggestions? Have they made a new one since? Should i file it down?
You have to file it.
@@JeffNeelzebubahh ok. Was that what you did as well? File the mag lock only right? I'd hate to have to file my receiver too 😭
@@tomle2553 no just the mag lock mag release. You have to find the sweet spot
@@JeffNeelzebub any tips on what you used to file it down? Just a standard metal filer? I don't have any Dremel tools or anything..
@@tomle2553 Nope, I used the file from my Leatherman multitool.
Appreciate the clarification that this video brought. My son is in California and I want to help him obtain an AR. When using these mag systems, you have to register the weapon with the state of California as an assault weapon don’t you? What are the pros and cons of this?
No need to register as they are by definition not assault weapons.
@@JeffNeelzebub I was under the impression that featureless rifles were not required to be registered. I have read in many articles printed in gun magazines that fixed magazine guns with typical AR features are considered assault weapons that require registration. Maybe I’m wrong in my interpretation.
@@robertterry8018 Neither featureless nor mag locked weapons are required to be registered as neither are assault weapons. The bullet button ones were required to be registered but these do not have a bullet button, they’re just mag locked.
@@JeffNeelzebubthanks for clearing this up for me!
San Bernardino, watch out for those wild tweekers out there
Just for the rear takedown pin, what do you think is better (most reliable) between hellfighter and kingpin? Seems that either would work with the different magazine lock devices
The Hellfighter is more robust but harder to activate, requires more umph to activate. Not an issue if you’re doing slow and deliberate reloads but can slow you down for quick reloads. Also the hellfighter button is kinda big and gets in the way of your thumb for manipulating the safety.
@@JeffNeelzebub thanks for the reply! I have the hellfighter pin and I'm not too impressed with it, because the detent pin tends to jump out of the channel when I screw the button on, or when separating the upper if I don't twist the pin perfectly. Was wondering if kingpin is more or less likely to keep the detent in place
@@smith0426 That is a problem that the kingpin doesn’t have. However, the kingpin can be a bit of a pain to put back in using just your fingernail.
@@smith0426I have that same issue
And wondering the same thing
@@smith0426do you ever find out if the MagLock & kingpin is a better system?
Nice, thanks for sharing this.
Just subscribed to get more useful info from you.
Do you mind sharing where is this shooting range location in San Bernardino so I can go there as well? TIA
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Why you stop posting? This was good video and informative.
Too busy with IRL
This state is too beautiful to move
Great video! Thanks for the demos!
Thank you for watching! Glad to know my work is appreciated!
will the hogue work on a side charging bca upper receiver
Yes
Im glad that im living im eu. Im gun owner, i bought my first gun ar15 14'' barrel with 30rd mag, i can buy a supressor without paying any tax. I thought that america is freedom of guns but you have so much more bs then i heve living in eu. Its easer to earn a licenc and buy almoust enything that i want. I was in california once as a turist, and from cuouruscity i wanted to check your guns lows and its a hell of a mess. Sory for my bad eanglish im not native speacing in eng and im not using translator.
Ruger M 14 seems to be a better choice for CA or featureless.
Mini30
Did you install your hogue freedom kit or did a gunsmith installed it? Great video, im looking into switching to the hogue but i dont want to mess up the drilling.
I am also curious about this as well. The instructions for the kit recommend having a professional gunsmith do the installation but that anyone at home with the right tools can do it. I purchased a Juggernaut Tactical Hellfighter kit from Turner’s for Black Friday that I will be returning for the Hogue kit. Wish I knew about it beforehand haha. Definitely going the gunsmith route for a proper fit.
@@Zangan I would keep the pin the juggernaut has. Or use the kingpin and use them in sync with the hogue.
@@Zangan if you bought the rifle at turners theyll install for free...
The hogue is pretty easy to install. Just be cautious when you yap the holes for threads.
Hogue and KingPin for the Win..
Mind sharing shooting spot? Great content i have jt hellfighter kit got a maglock gen 2 on the way...
1N09 recreational shooting area. It’s in google maps, but they’re closed right now due to California fire hazard.
Great video!
Life is more important, if u have to use your rifle IRL, then just take 45 secs and install the mag lock and hand the rifle to the officer. =)
The problem I'm having is that with the juggernaut tactical kit since the bolt doesn't lock back, the bolt scratches the hell out of the plastic follower in my hexmags. The Hellfighter + ArMaglock seems the best combo.
the hellfighter pin if rotated the wrong direction can get stuck and make it impossible to remove without removing the buffer tube plate and retaining screw. If you go armaglock might as well buy the kingpin with it instead
What’s the combo needed?
@@secrethandlehuhu interesting, I've opened my receiver like 100 times and it has never gotten stuck that bad. I usually just reinsert the pin in case it falls and breaks the pin.
@@jaimeblazer2002 what I use is the maglock gen 2 that i filed down, and the juggernaut tactical Hell fighter pin. The maglock HAS to be gen 2 or 4 from what I've heard, or else it won't work with the bolt locked open.
@@jaimeblazer2002 if you go to armaglock's site go buy the gen 4 and choose the kingpin silver or black.
thank you for sharing, its very informative. i am new to the area. do you like route 66 range? where in national forest I can go shoot if it is not a secret spot.
1N09, it’s on Google maps
@@JeffNeelzebub thank you, there was a number and when called, the guy told me I can only shoot at Lytle creek range.
@@aga5979 I haven’t been there in awhile, but sometimes they close it due to fire hazard. Just go to where it’s marked on Google maps. If you see people there shooting, then it’s good.
thenks
I got the ar maglock on my 308 and it doesn't hold it after a few rounds the small little screw sucks
01:35 - Baaahaha! I've been waiting for somebody from Cali to say this! As if finding & planning a move, a new employer, house, and logistics to move your shit is oh so simple & trouble-free. Big mouths have "great advice" for you to leave CA -- like it's never crossed your mind!
I'm in OR, & I'm astounded we've remained as anti-gun "law" free as long as we have. We fight like hell, but are hopelessly outnumbered by low-information, often low-brain cell idiots who vote. We continue bailing water, but we damn well know the good ship is sinking regardless...its a matter of time.
We're finally done w/ the passing of Measure 114. Whether Bruen spells death for it in part or whole, the writing is on the wall - we are in planning stage of moving to ID
Great video, I'm in the IE where in SB were you filming?
Get a kydex slip on fin they are easy to put on and go featureless so u cam still retain drop mag function
Can’t go featureless on an AR pistol
God bless Roger Benitez!
Amen
Do you care to share the coordinates where this location. I’m trying to find a place like this.
1N09, shows up on google maps.
I vote for feature less.
Great video
Would you mind sharing the models of the bullet button that work with the freedom fighter that are extended? (That you know of) and what mag catch you’re using.
There’s no “bullet button”. It’s just a milspec mag release. I used a Troy ambi catch on the other side, but a milspec catch works.
@@JeffNeelzebub misspoke. Gotcha. Thank you
You have any experience with the BRN180, and which system would work best on that platform?
I do not have experience with the BRN-180 but it would be ideal and can work without having to file down the Hogue pin. However, you may need to file down the rear takedown pin retainer on the upper receiver so that it swivels free when you press the kingpin button.
33.3 tactical had the best cheapest “cal catch” but I hear mag lock sued the company
My opinion, is the hogue kit beats them both
awesome
Hogue freedom fighter and kingpin works best for me.
Hold on I thought JTE 15 can fire 10 rounds then the magazine can’t be able to release until you press the JT hellfighter CA release kit.? So why are you you just fire once.
I don’t know who told you that. You can fire as many or as few as you want.
You need to keep your notes at the bottom of the screen up a little longer for people to actually have a chance to read it before removing it.
Would The hogue freedom fighter kit be the same as the internal mag locks on the jug tac rifles? And if so does turning the mag release twice make it removable without cracking it open?
Usually those just have the hellfighter kit but I have seen other companies make something similar to the hogue kit.
@@JeffNeelzebub my ruffle has an internal mag lock. Which looks just like that. Had the pin coming out of the receiver. I feel like they work the same way. I’m gonna try it later.
Great video. However pls look into the legality of having the foldable stock in CA, as far as I understand it’s NOT legal in CA. Spent hours researching it, basically the shortest possible configuration must exceed 30” when folded, because you can still fire that one round even when folded. That said, foldable barrels are perfectly fine. Would like to hear your thoughts on this.
It’s a complicated topic, but I took it off cause it added too much weight and length of pull. Plus, if interfered with the operation of the kingpin/maglock system a bit.
@@JeffNeelzebub Much appreciated!!! Learned a lot from this video and also from the comments.
@@dave.h you’re welcome. I edited my reply cause there were typos.
@@JeffNeelzebub what about dead foot arms short 2.5 and 4 inch buffer tube
also the only downside of the hogue you have to drill the lower compared to maglock but you have reversability
@@TheTAEclub Shouldn't be any reason why that wouldn't work. Yes, you have to drill, but it's not much of an issue. I fucked up one lower to where the hogue wouldn't work at all and now that's my featureless build. Works fine with no issues.
Will the freedom fighter allow the bolt to remain in the open position when the magazine is empty & you to open the action with the bolt still open or do you have to close the bolt first?
It operates the same as the AR Maglock, in fact in the video I had the AR Maglock and freedom fighter kit running at the same time. As you can see in the video, the bolt stays locked back during reloads.
What are the specs of that first firearm you were holding in the video? Barrel length etc
Just a 10.5” 5.56 pistol. You should be able to pick something up at the 2A Zone.
Cali complient AR no longer have a bullet release.. the button is totally welded. Any ideass on a workaround? I've heard you have to drill, but haven't seen any vids on it anywhere.
This is false FUDD information. There is no need to weld your magazine release button. You can use any of the three methods described in this video. Only one requires drilling, which sucks but is the best all around option in my opinion.
This can be done for a pistol like a Scar 15p pistol?
I don’t think so, no.
I love all the builds you have! One question I do have is why make a video on California compliance mag release if your have it in a AR pistol configuration. I thought regardless of mag release you could not have a barrel less than 14.5 attached to a lower in this tyrannical state. I’m pretty sure the law folder setup is also a no go considering it can still fire “A” round. I love your setups and personally don’t see anything wrong with them but I would like to know your thoughts on pistols. I would also like to prevent anyone from getting in legal trouble if there is non compliance.
If it’s a registered pistol lower, you always need a fixed magazine to be compliant
Im fine with mine compmag magazine
Dude why do you keep beating yourself up in the captions? It's okay lol, don't say that type of stuff to yourself
could the hogue be used on an AR10 platform?
Is there any AR competitive shooting at firearms competition in California?
Yes, but I recommend a featureless setup for that.
OK thanks are these freedom fighter or mag lock kit still available in California? @@JeffNeelzebub
@@jerryrichards8172 yep
@@JeffNeelzebub OK thank you.
Can you just go up to the mountains and shoot? I live close to San Bernardino.
You can in certain locations. Look up 1N09 on your map. If it’s fire hazard then you won’t be allowed to.
@@JeffNeelzebub how do you know other people are not around? I am afraid someone will call the cops? I always wanted to take some of my rifles up to the mountains for a shooting session.
@@JeffNeelzebub i just looked up 1N09.. Never knew about this. Might have to make a trip now. Is there a lot of other shooters there or is it pretty empty?
@@ontherun1957 I go during weekdays and it’s usually pretty easy to find your own spot.
Finally someone tells them to stfu! 😂like we love cali we just dont love the rules
Which option let’s you convert from CA Compliant to non compliant??
Hogue FF kit.
Hi, I have a Daniel Defense DDM4 V7 5.56mm 16" Rifle. Do you know which AR Maglock and KingPin I should get? Thank you.
The Hogue is the most reliable, but may affect your resale value because you have to drill into the lower receiver. The AR Maglock is the safest option. The gen 4 should work well.
@@JeffNeelzebub Perfect, thank you so much for your help. 👍
do you have pin grip with your V7. mine came with Daniel Defense own Fix Magazine Kit from their factory _
Is the butt stock adjustable it looks like it is adjustable I thought in California we couldn't have a adjustable stock?
You can have any feature you want besides a suppressor if you follow what I put in this video.
I just ordered the hogue freedom fighter to use in conjunction with the juggernaut tactical rear take down pin. Is the kingpin really that much better than the juggernaut as other people say? I’m thinking about switching to the kingpin now first AR build aswell.
Nah it's kind of personal preferene. I have one on one build and the other no another.
@@JeffNeelzebub okay man thanks for the response
Just finished my build great information really helped me out. Thank you sir! 👍🏽🇺🇸
I’ve watched this video a bunch of times, good stuff. My GF AR pistol
Came with the Hogue / Hellfighter pin combo and it works quite well so I’m setting her rifle up like that too.
You can now purchase the Hellfighter pin assembly separate.
@@marktechsci I wish I had time to make videos but kids and job takes a lot out of me.
It seems to me like he’s getting a kickback or selling the products here if you listen to him closely he has a little biased towards a certain product.
No just a dude giving my opinion. Hopefully there will be no need for this soon.
Featureless is the way to go
Can the hogue freedom fighter mag lock work in combo with the kingpin?
Yes, as it did in the video
2024, is this still legal in California?
Yes
thank you
@@JeffNeelzebub
Great video!! I'm still kind of confused, I thought the kingpin and maglock gen 4 will perform better with bolt catch and release function.
It performs the same pretty much as the Hogue Freedom Fighter Kit.
@@JeffNeelzebub can you combo JUGGERNAUT TACTICAL HELLFIGHTER kit with maglock gen 4? Will this allows the bot catch during the double feeds or jam?
@@Hdic2018 you can combo the pin from the hellfighter kit with the Maglock mag release, but don’t use the bolt catch lock from juggernaut tactical.
Just seen the part of the video where you said a pro made the drilling. Do you recommend anyone?
Gun Compensator in Torrance
Hey man, I’m about to move to San Bernardino county in a few months and I see you’re in the San Bernardino forest. Is that BLM land? Are there any places you recommend I go to shoot?
Best
Yes, it’s 1n09 shooting area, will pop up on Google maps. They often close the area due to fire hazard. Otherwise Hodge road is open pretty much all the time.
@@JeffNeelzebub thanks a lot dude. Are both free?
@@GIHO5IT Yes
80% arms system, similar to juggernaut.
Does this device work with the AR 10?
Yes