3D Printers are now a Tool! P1S and X1C Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 30 апр 2024
- Hoocho Compares the Bambu Labs P1S and X1C
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I keep wanting to remind Hoocho and channel regulars that there was a group in the US called 3dponics that designs 3d prints for hydroponics and aquaponics. I would love to see Hoocho reach out to them and the growing with fishes podcast. I would love to see what the crossover would bring.
I moderate PotentPonics, growing with fishes. Steve will have him on, for sure... fans of both. His 24 hour aquaponics livestreams is the biggest aquaponic show that goes globally in one weekend
Your other videos inspired me to finally pull the trigger on 3d printing and decided to pick up a P1S + AMS combo about a month ago. Its been an amazing experience because all I wanted was a tool for designing and printing functional prints. Your entire video perfectly sums up my experience with the printer and as a beginner to 3d printing I would say you cant go wrong with either of these bad boys.
@23:10 - You can do the "Omit Objects" with the P1S also through the Bambu Handy phone app. (I have both an X1C and P1S)
Thank you so much! 😊
BTT Panda Touch is a nice upgrade to the P1S
Thanks for reminding me! Just bought one. I’ve seen it before, but now I’ve experienced the X1C I’d love to see if it’s a game changer.
Man, i just got the a1 mini and have really been enjoying it. Great timing on this video and totally agree that its just a tool now rather than a gimmick or tinker hobby (in the sense of just fiddling with the printer rather than just printing)
Hey Hoocho, check out the Panda Touch screens. They allow you to control multiple Bambu Lab printers from a single hub like you described.
By the way, you can do some color change stuff even without an AMS. You just need to pause at the height you want to change it at, which is a great way to do logos or text (although it's essentially limited to being on a top surface).
Bambu BLOWS Creality, and damn near all printers out of the water. The DJI engineers REALLY made this printer amazing. Good to see you made the change!
Great video. Thank you.
I use the X1C. Fantastic printer.
Panda touch has a unit like that for print farms. I think it's like $80 but it uses wifi to connect to multiple devices as an add on unit.
Welcome to the bambu labs side, I was an early bird Kickstarter backer for an x1c with ams.
I will eventually get a p1s as a second single filament printer but wouldn't trade my x1c ams.
I found issues with the cardboard spools getting stuck in the ams even with the plastic rails.
There are printable adapter cores from the cardboard spools to the bambu refill spools where you remove the cardboard sides press in the core and assemble as if it were a refill. Those worked pretty good.
I ended up going with direct orders of master spools and refills from sunlu. Its basically the easiest and least expensive/wasteful option i have found for black petg.
@14:40 - The reason for the differences in the video from the printers is that the X1C has a multi-core Linux computer (similar to a Raspberry Pi) as the controller, so it can do full-motion video. The P1S has a much slower ESP32 Microcontroller (no Linux) which can only do photo snapshots.
But the slower processor doesn't really affect the print speed or quality, as the controller is just feeding the movement commands to the motion controller. For that reason, the P1S is just as fast as the X1C.
The camera is better in the X1C because it has a more powerful CPU than the P1S. You cannot upgrade the P1S camera because of that cpu limitation.
The P1S is powered by an ESP32 rather than a SoC (like your Klipper raspberry pi or similar Linux-based systems on other printers and on the X1C), so I am totally in awe of what Bambu was able to pull off here and basically have the exact same printing result and still pulling of showing any picture from a camera and hosting a wifi API and (simple) screen-interface. This and the magic in the A1 mini is what convinced me these guys have the best engineers in the 3d printer world at this moment. I'm looking forward to what they'll come with next...
I’ve been looking at these, but my Voxelab Aquila and Kywoo Tycoon, I have dialed in so well and don’t mind the slower print times. If I had the money, I’d drop it in the P1P, upgraded hotend & AMS
@Hoocho one thing you didn't touch on that has me stuck between the two models - how much impact does the lack of lidar have on reliability & print quality?
There are external screens available for the P1S, like the BTT Panda and the Xtouch
Good stuff mate👍
I think I have Hoochoitus. You got me growing hydro veggies, I just bought a 3d printer (P1S combo), been locked on KGALW for months, and I'm starting to think about shaving my head and growing a beard. Just kidding, I couldn't grow a beard if I wanted to. Maybe I should make ginger beer....
But seriously, you are extraordinary! You feed the community with tremendous knowledge based on solid experimentation. Seeds of ideas grow in to wonderful things. Keep it up.
What a compliment. I’m glad I’ve help show the way 😂
It’s a fun way!
Love the 3d printer content
Hello Mitchell, In what program do you design your things?
I sold my ender 3 after I got my X1C. Then I got a P1P. I LOVE these printers. Still have an Ender 5 Plus for the huge bed, but I rarely print with it because it takes SOOOO long. I use my P1P for cardboard spools. Had a couple issues with my AMS on the X1C but as soon as I printed an LED riser, all my AMS problems were resolved. These machines are SOOO fast!! BambuLabs has changed the face of 3D printing. If Apple made a 3D printer, it’d be the X1C 😂
Bambu Printers are Awesome! Only thing I want to do with my p1s is Upgrade to a heavy duty power cord that’s 6ft long.
What CAD programs do u use to design your parts?
Well timed video. I've been running a Ender 3v2 for many years, but I've been finding I'm tinkering to keep it running more than printing. I've been debating between the P1S and the K1. I don't suppose you also want to reach out to Creality?😉
Didn’t know you could multi color print with PLA and PETG together. It looked flawless
You can but they dont adhere to each other. Hence why it can be used as a support material between the two.
The X1C has a better processor, hence the reason the video works better. Better at doing multiple things at once without taxing the system.
@Hoocho - Did you ever get the Sonic Pad upgrade for the Enders, using the Clipper software?
I'm leaning towards the X-1C atm...
I have the sonic pad for the Enders. Not even close to bambu
@@russellj911 did you see any significant improvement?
@@EviLEwoK666 it’s a significantly better experience to be able to control the Enders from the PC, which the sonic pad lets you do through moonraker. I’m sure it’s similar in that way to octoprint on a raspberry pi. It also has the whole creality cloud thing.
In conclusion, print speed went from 50mm/s to 150 mm/s with input shaping/vibration compensation,could upload prints directly to the sonic pad without downloading to sd card, and have full access to edit the gcode. Sonic pad is totally worth it if you’re sticking with Enders.
Dont think i could ever let go of my V1 Ender 3, its heavily modified and basically a Voron now
What filament do you suggest using? ABS isn't food safe, but PLA isn't IV stable?
PETG every day
The P1P was my introduction to the 3D printing world. This machine has been AMAZING (out-of-the-box, plug n play). The largest learning-curve was performing maintenance. Thank God for the endless source of information on YT. As a proprietary machine, Bambu Lab has excellent support and very reasonably priced parts and upgrades. And they nailed the aesthetics. This is one fine-looking machine. Over-all, this is one of the most satisfying purchases ever made. Personally, I would recommend the A1 Mini to anyone on a budget or new to 3D printing; it's a less expensive way to test the water. However, I would totally go with the P1S simply because it provides more options and has a much more conformed and sleeker design. Both machines are different but top-notch, imho. If looking to use the printer for parts, tools, et. the AMS is not even necessary. 95% of what I print is single color anyway, adding a needless expense. I don't even feel that having the multi-colored capability would even be worth it.
I don't print multicolor, but the AMS is totally worth it. Just being able to print any of the loaded materials and have seamless filament continuation when a role runs out by just having another role of the same material in the AMS is worth more than multicolor capability.
@@MisterkeTube yeah... suppose it could be reperposed
All I ever use is K1 Max
What software are you using to design your works of art?
Fusion 360 mate
As for your cardboard spools, could you just use super glue on the edges?
7:43 "20,000 mm/s" I have to correct you because mm/s doesn't indicate the speed of that actual printer. You'll want the cubic measuring of how much material it can push through the hot end.
All I ever use is Bambulab
I'm an Ultimaker user myself. Bambu makes some damn nice stuff.
Stumbled across this vid. Not sure what I would do with it.
Same, video popped up, I want one but no idea what I’d use it for…
You would be surprised the youtubers that print things in the states you legally cannot have made there on your big island, heh. They have replaced big factories that make small plastic parts... for sure. Also there is spools of hemp for 3d printers(made a video on it over 4 years ago)
What price is the AMS?
350€
So, get a P1S and a Panda Touch?
Ok, at the 1424 mark, I know now, you should look into the Panda Touch.
3D newb here, got my X1C w AMS a few weeks ago, already hitting 260 hours printing. I watched all the reviews I could find and I chose the X1C w AMS so I could print any material eventually and wanted to do color prints. I like it so much I might get a second one
Are their any regrets (other than price)? I’m torn between this and the p1s
@@kev1799 absolutely no regrets other than splurging on almost every accessory Bambu sells. Didn’t need the .02 and .08 nozzle, nor did I need the anti vibration feet or the extra tubing. This printer has been near flawless. Only hiccups have been my fault. Can’t really go wrong with either, the X1C just has more bells and whistles like the touchscreen and first layer inspection
@@RollerCoasterLineProductions thank you! I got some thinking to do lol
I have a 2 week old X1C without AMS. Your ideas on minimizing multi material are excellent. What bothers me about the AMS is it's the least robust product of theirs. And IT'S NOT HEATED. If they release a heated AMS I'll order it same day. I tend to doubt a third party will offer a heated option for Bambu printers. My other complaint is neither video nor time lapse have worked on my iPhone. I have a raspberry pi cam rigged up for the time being, but it's not cloud connected. So it's only available at home so far. Have you tested the Orca slicer? It seems virtually identical, but it's much more community driven. Of course it doesn't have the cloud model browser.
"It doesn't have the cloud model browser" YET. I wouldn't be surprised if a future version would boast model browsing not only from Makerworld, but also Printables and others. So far the devs of Orca have kept up with Bambuslicer improvements pretty well and the more code both slicers port over from the other the easier porting really wanted new functionality from the other should be, so apart from the functionality alone, that might be another incentive to have Orca just take over the model browsing from Bambu.
Oof, this is hard to watch. I'm on a FlashForge Creator Pro (around 4 years old now) and these Bambu Labs printers have been way too appealing. I get so many print failures, the print quality isn't great to begin with, various capabilities like bridging or speed are very poor... But it works. I can't justify an upgrade. Yet. The X1C is really expensive (though dirt cheap given how much better it is compared to the competition), so I think I'll save until my Creator Pro is unbearable to use.
I agree about the pros/cons of proprietary hardware and software. I'm fine with it if the user experience is so dramatically better.
So get the Flashforge Adventurer 5MPro, awesome printer, much less expensive, comparable!
lol they have always been a tool. Now they are an appliance.
I see a lot of talk of how Bambu Labs changed everything, but my (hopefully objective) take is they just had the first high profile printer in what could be called this 'next generation'. All the manufacturers now seem to be bringing out (much) faster printers that are in the 'plug and play' direction - it just seems like evolution of the tech, not a Bambu-specific thing. But people seem to like their Bambus much like they like their Apples (quite possibly a big overlap in the two camps of devotees too).
Overall I'm neither one way or the other, but the pricing premium on Bambu gear turns me right off. I've also heard worrying things about Bambu's privacy policy, and their machines' logs containing data they have no need to be containing. Seems like 2024 is going to be the year of the multi colour/material printing units - hopefully someone will release one that can be retro-fitted to at least the current generation of printers (e.g. Ender V3 etc).
If X1C is so good screen wise would it not make sense to get P1S and a 3rd party screen and better hotend still all gor a fraction of the price?
Looks like P1S is purposely made to be a bit lacking and X1C overpriced for a fractional step up.
P1S = X1C minus the costly unnecessary stuff. The SoC on the X1C is just driving that screen UI, the camera and the AI, so that's what you lose by cutting out that expensive SoC and screen from the BOM. And if you anyway don't have the power to process AI stuff / lidar images, that one is an additional cost-saving. The extruder gears and nozzle are cheap upgrades to handle carbon-filled stuff, so P1S is king in my eyes. Why would I go to the printer to see status or control stuff if I can do it from the slicer or my phone? And the lidar often gives worse results than (once per filament) manual tuning, has build plate limitations anyhow, and eats up some build volume at the front, so ... what are you then really missing on the P1S compared to the X1C? Well, bragging rights maybe?
I took a glimpse in the Bambulab forums and they all seem to fiddle around just like with enders now im kinda unshure 😂 if i keep my ender 3 pro or what i should do, im printing on 144mm/s with it without any problems its kinda shaking but not 144mm/s on walls ofc once its set up its just leveling here and then and i dont really see how to convince myself to pay 300 bucks just to be able to change colors if all im printing is functional stuff and not decorative. I think for me best bet is to wait for someone to compete with bambu and then check the market again ... Creality K1 has all the problems of owning a Creality machine so thats not an option too 😂
I pretty much only print functional things.
Killer features of the ams for me are the auto change over on run out and the fact that its a dry box. The multi color is useful for printing labels. Also some things I would rather print in pla than petg as it prints just a bit faster and more accurately in my experience.
I keep 2 spools of black petg, 1 spool of clear petg, and 1 spool of black pla in it at all times.
I had my ender 3 all set up and dialed in but the x1c just took so much of the tinkering out of keeping it at that point. Sure its required a bit of maintenance and I did have couple of issues but that is in the 1.5 years of ownership and 100s of kg of filament.
I ended up giving the ender away
fucking smart and hott *drool*
They have been tools since 5-10 years allready
This doesn't sound like a great review... While comparing what you had to what you have. It's literally two different types of machines. Any corexy would be significantly better than any basic bed slinger, not just an "ender"
He is the most boring guy repeating himself and constantly beating around the bush instead of getting to the point. He really likes his own voice. But he also offers quite a bit of relevant knowledge. It's just very hard to get to. Enjoy!
So a RUclips infomercial, to sell the Bambu 3D printer..