i think they droped it down cause they working on a new one i heard they were supost to announce something this month but who knows i plan to get one with the ams system
I’m thinking about getting one (I’ve got a Neptune 3) I’m looking to make masks, figures and parts for places around the house is this a good choice, and I am looking to use different filaments
@@mrmonke1575 The only thing the P1S won't do is the high temp engineering filaments that require a heated chamber, and you'll want to swap the nozzle for hardened if you use filled material. Of the 9 printers I own, the P1S is my favorite.
Ive never touched a 3d printer until tonight with my p1s. Im blown away as a noob how easy it was to setup and print right away. I subbed. I like the way you deliver content
It's cool to see that 8 months on, the sub count has gone up roughly 7 fold (16.1k), so moving in the right direction. Thought this might make you smile.
+1 For Bambu, I literally can’t look at any other printer anymore. The industry needs to catch up and innovate otherwise they will see Bambu turn into DJI where they hold the market. Loved the video and glad I found your channel today.
@@OlavAlexanderMjelde Their printers do look design-wise like DJI, especially the printhead, or the A1/A1mini. I had a DJI drone, it was way better than anything else.
We just received a P1S. It was a shared present for me and my 13 year old. The prints and ease of printing have blown me away. Within 20 minutes we were printing. Also, we received the printer in 3 days - It’s hard to beat that kind of first impression.
Yeh, I hear their support may be a little slow if you need it (which is funny since it's the exact opposite of what they're known for when it comes to printing), but I continue to be impressed by my X1C and P1S. Fingers crosses they come up with an "XL" version next.
@@rcarter a little late, but one thing I’ve definitely noticed is that cleaning the plate regularly makes a big difference. The only thing that has caused a print to fail has been a support or piece not adhering to the bed. We are just now getting to other filaments besides PLA. Hope you are both enjoying it!
@@travis5481 oh definitely, we’ve been printing non-stop. We’ve actually done a decent amount of PETG. Haven’t ventured to abs/asa yet. Definitely agree about the build plate needing to be clean, makes a huge difference. Thankfully the majority of our prints have been successful. Although, I’m hating supports unless I use the support material for the interface layer but that usually takes much longer and still isn’t perfect. Need to get that figured out.
Thank you for the video, in time I have so gotten used to the pumped up style of most creators trying to inject some WOW factor ... And now hearing someone just rationally and calmly sharing their thoughts and experiences was like a breath of fresh air, very relaxing and with much more useful information.
Former mk3s+ owner and current X1C owner and am happily in the bambu camp with a year of ownership. I am in a hotel about 400 miles from my printer right now and have been able to print fine with my X1C and AMS*. The cloud functions were not possible on my other printers with the level of reliability or features I have now. Just being able to start/stop pause, and check on my prints , without kludge work arounds, when anyway is well worth the cost of the "scary cloud" FUD. None of my prints are security sensitive and whether my 3mf files (fancy gcode) is requested by china(lol what can they do?) subpoenaed by the US Govt(the only thing I really have to worry about) I dont get too concerned about it. Fantastic video. *note I do have someone at the printer to clear the print plate.
@@FunctionalPrintFriday @FunctionalPrintFriday I am at 3500 hours and counting. I print daily but not 24/7. I was a Kickstarter backer so my model is before any revisions or manufacturing adjustments. I just follow maintenance recommendations and have been without issue. I am sitting on a small warehouse parts but haven't replaced anything other than ptfe tubing or other consumables parts.
Never had a 3D printer before and wanting to get started and this video was INCREDIBLY helpful and informal. I was concerned with how it would perform and getting it started, but you showed that not only is it super easy but you showed how the quality and speed is compared to a more expensive one! Many thanks and you earned a new Subscriber.
Just bought a Bambu Labs X1 Carbo. It’s my first 3D printer. Liked your work flow and appreciated you not printing another figurine like others. I’m a new subscriber and look forward to learning new skills.
Thx for the awesome video, waiting for delivery on p1s and a great deal of my choice is because of the great content you offer and the amount of practical ideas! Seriously appreciate channel's like yours
If you want to see if China is monitoring the printers, you should print a bunch of Winnie the Pooh stuff and see if your printer suddenly bricks itself.
@@benroweben Winnie the Pooh is banned in China, even the words are censored out of everything after online memes making fun of their president looking like Winnie the Pooh.
It's two different things. I'd honestly be happy to get .5fps. I'm seeing more like 1 frame every ~5 secs at BEST, and several minutes with no new frame at worst (or no connection at all). We'd consistently get the .5fps if they would route between VLAN's instead of always sending all the traffic to the cloud when they're not on the same VLAN
Fantastic video! I'll be receiving my P1S later on today, if tracking is correct. Can't wait to finally have a printer for functional prints vs the toys I typically print.
I think you are speaking to me! I have an old Ender 3 "pro" that has frustrated the heck out of me from the start. Last year I took it apart to add a bed level sensor and it hasn't printed anything since. I am just so sick of the failed prints and meh results. I've decided it is time for a better printer. I set out to buy a Prusa and quickly got turned around. Now I have my heart set on a P1S with AMS. That is one heck of a lot of money for me, but I just can't handle sweating first layers, waking up to spaghetti, or print times that take DAYS. I think I'm ready to step up. P1S is the one, no? Maybe having a solid-operational-printer will let me finally print the parts I need to put the endy-3 back on its feet again. Thanks for this "not a review". I like your stuff. I clicked the sub button within the first 10 min. Refreshing to see videos not so obviously bought and paid for.
Nice video, thank you for sharing and providing your insights and showing both printers from cad to print side by side.. Anyone else notice the Prusa screen flickering while manually moving the stepper motors? The video feed on the P1S is laggy because the camera framerate is 0.5fps. The X1C is 30fps. The X1C has a second processor for the camera feed, lidar, etc, where the P1S does not.
I got the P1S sans AMS about a week ago on sale. It's my first 3D printer and I am just blown away by how easy it is to use and my prints have been turning out flawless. I will definitely be buying the AMS system soon. For anyone considering this printer, it really is amazing and I would buy it again.
I just ordered the P1S combo through the sale. Also my first printer. I'm not accustomed to spending this much in one go on non-essentials so I reeeeaally felt it when I clicked confirm order. Hoping I made the right printer choice
@@jgone4856 You won't regret it. I just got the AMS too, everything has been working great together. I just spent about half the cost of the printer on filament so trust me I know the feeling lol
I ordered the p1s combo. The hole over the p1s is reserved for the ams case which is future proven and I also ordered. Also I think the quality is much much better when you use p1s. I think right now x1c combo is the best 3D printer on the market. Other printers can’t compete at least now.
Yup, surely other manufacturers have been sweating bullets ever since those Bambu printers came out. I'm on the fence currently, perhaps I'll wait another year... I think we're in for quite a ride in that regard.
Just to sum up for people considering one of these two. 1. The P1S is for regular/hobby people. 2. The X1C is intended for professionals or really nerdy people that pays big bucks just to have the best. For a "normal/hobby" person, the P1S is more than good enough. Paying 500-600 dollars more for the X1C, you might want to consider if you really need the extra futures that's going to be critical for your printing. If carbon fiber is important then by all means, buy the X1C. If you're not going to make a living out of 3D printing, no reason whatsoever to buy they X1C, go instead for P1S. Great reviewing though, I subbed!
First time here. I plan on getting the P1s on payday, so ive been looking at a ton of videos. You are pretty cool, only printing functional parts and posting the stl's for free. Thats pretty great.
@FunctionalPrintFriday thank you! Just got my printer yesterday, already made a phone case, and a holster for a Taurus 387, super excited to keep modeling stuff I can actually touch!!!
I currently have an Ender 3 v2 but am thinking about upgrading to the P1S because of all the good I’ve heard about Bambu Labs, their ease of use, and the AMS capabilities. I really appreciate your personable, down to earth presentation that isn’t so “hyped”. I’ve subscribed and look forward to watching more of your videos as I continue to learn more about 3D Printing!
Thank you for making this video. I really appreciate people (and channels) like you who are calm, collected, thorough, and also who look at a video as an opportunity to address NEW viewers and include them in your interactions as well by saying things like "if you're just watching this video", or "if this is your first time here"... so thank you as well for that. You're 100% right about "Chinese quality" manufacturing. Not only do people generalize an entire country, but they're basing their opinions on the things from that country off of the product specs of the item being sourced coming from companies that they're paying money to who only want bottom-dollar production cost with max-level return-on-investment pocketing money prices. 'Why spend $1 to manufacture a $20 item and have it be great when I can pay $0.20 for a $20 item to be manufactured' mentality. I ordered my P1S Combo unit about a week ago, and can't wait to get it. In my life, I always research every tool I buy for at least 3-10 days before I make a final decision on what I'm buying, because I will only buy high quality items, as opposed to everyone else, seemingly, in this world who accepts mediocrity. Everything I saw pointed to the P1S as being one of the best. As an entry-level 3D printer user, I can't wait to experience and learn with this machine. Your videos are a gem to those of us just starting out, and I thank you from my heart for taking the time to share your experiences with us, and going in-detail into the unit, and the additional details surrounding it. I heard that the limitations that prevented Bambu Lab from using the same camera that they did on the X1 was that the motherboard was using more resources for the prints, rather than aesthetics like the camera, and couldn't fit the necessary requirements to run it at full speed, like the X1's... Take that with a grain of salt, as you may, because it was heard from a 3rd party source, and not directly from Bambu Lab. That being said, I still don't understand how/why they couldn't add a daughter-board to the motherboard to adapt it to be compatible......
There's more truth to low quality manufacturing than you think. There are a few companies who are the exception, the rest are generally not as good. Look up Dofu Dreg.
One year later and now the P1S is on sale for $549 and the (Mk3s+ only available with mm3 combo) or you can get the base MK4S+ and both are $900. I have had Prusa MK3 and it was head and shoulders above the competition years ago, I was very satisfied and impressed. I have never done volume so Yesterday I bought a Bamboo A1 non AMS for $299
I own a MK3S+. Picked it up used for $300, so not like I'm out the retail price. That said, I very much DO want to explore multi-color and multi-filament printing. To get even remotely close to the capability this P1S offers I'd have to get the MK3.9 upgrade kit ($579) plus an MMU3 ($329) plus a month+ shipping lead time at who knows what cost (so, almost $1k total!!!). The P1S+AMS Combo is currently $750 shipped. For what Prusa wants I could ALMOST get a completely overkill X1C+AMS Combo on the current Black Friday sale, it's nuts. It's a complete no-brainer in my book, Prusa (like you said) has completely lost touch with the market realities of 2024 (and arguably 2020+). Buy the P1S Combo, sell my MK3S+, and I'm probably under $500.
Im happy you made this video because yes while technically these are comparable in price, the P1P/P1S is a modern device and its certainly hard to say that about a Prusa. Especially given the fact that the Prusa is slower and has no enclosure. I value everything Prusa has done but they are behind and spent 5 years asleep at the wheel
Thank you for this video. I came for the unboxing of the P1S and stayed for the whole thing. Truly impressed and jealous watching you design something so quickly out of a few measures. What a treat. Which 3d modeling software do you use?
Your analysis on Chinese quality is spot on, they make what we ask them to make, Just look at iPhone, DJI and many more world leaders, quality costs its not free.
Although it seems reasonably priced, I want to wait and see if it goes down by the time I'm ready to upgrade. This would be leaps and bounds above my current ender 3. Thanks for the review.
Yeh, truly leaps and bounds. With the exception of Creality who are also pumping out some cool "prosumer" CoreXY printers, there's just nothing even close in value from my perspective right now. Excited to see where things are at in another 9-12 months.
I have an anycubic Kobra max and in between massive layer shifts, or constant smaller ones, pla not sticking to the bed or y axis errors (The layer shifts are also _always_ in the Y direction) I'm at the end of my rope. I'm fairly certain i should just toss it and get a bambulab P1S
if you don't need the build volume of a "max", get the P1S. You'll never look book. That said though, try heat soaking your Kobra Max. It probably has the same problem . .
Thanks for the overview and impressions. Like I said on some of your other vids, I love my a1 mini, and will be getting a full size a1 when that comes back in stock after the recall, but am considering a dedicated printer later on for abs/asa printing and am between the p1s and x1c. I actually was considering the p1p, but the p1s is only $100 more and adds a good bit to the package.
Have you ever needed a functional print with a stronger filament like ABS? I want to print functional things as well and I was wondering if I can save some money and get the P1P instead and just print with basic stuff. (Since it doesn't have the enclosure.)
you should very much NOT print ABS (or other such 'toxic' filaments) on a printer indoors without an enclosure that supports filtering the exhausted air.
Thank you, good video. I'm considering a P1S with AMS as my first printer. My daughter has an Ender 3 that is a PIA. This will be as a hobby, not to make things to sell. I do metal machining also as a hobby with a 1440 Chinese lathe, 949 Jet (Taiwan) mill, cold saw, tool & cutter grinder, casting furnace ..... I do repairs of about anything just for fun. Its been years since I did CAD work so will need to get a CAD program and learn the tricks of making 3D plastic parts. What CAD program would you recommend?
I gave up rebuilding that worn out 10" Boxford in the background of this vid and ponied up for a brand new Taiwanese 1440. Couldn't be happier. Now I want one size up on my mill :)
@@FunctionalPrintFridayMy garage here in New York is only 18x20. Besides it’s detached and doesn’t have any A/C system to battle the heat and cold. I will never have the room to do what you do. 😂 I’m jealous.
You could use Wireshark and set it for outgoing IP packets from the printer and also see what devices it is attempting to talk to on your network. You can SEE if it is talking to China. I have and Ender 3 V2 Pro that is working well. I just want a printer that can print faster, with other materials, and a larger volume. Great video. I will be back to check out your functional prints. Thanks
Corexy is more than just the toolhead moves in x and y. Some Cartesian printers are set up like that too. Corexy means there are two motors A and B which work together to move the toolhead in the xy plane. Meaning more torque for any movement and it can move quicker than standard cartesian.
I am looking to get into 3d printing for a winter hobby. I am looking at the Bambu P1s. Not sure if I will buy in the next week or wait until next year. I need to learn a little more I think, or should I just learn after buying one?? Thanks for the video Matt B.
People complain about chinese manufacturing or quality but atleast china manufactures things. Nobody would be willing to pay what it costs to make an iphone case in the US
I would be interested to know if the closed P1S is less dangerous to health? If the P1S uses a fan to exhaust the air from the enclosure and doesn't do it through a HEPA filter, I don't think there is much point in printing in an enclosure. I mean from a health point of view. I'd have the printer in a room, so the VOC fumes problem worries me a bit. The A1 is open, so has no nothing any protection.
The enclosure is really just to improve print quality for materials where uneven cooling can cause print issues. Any filtering of the air by the unbuilt filter/charcoal in the printer is like putting a bandaid on a 5" cut. Sure, it helps, but it's not getting it done. That said, the air is all exiting in one spot, so if you pickup the air at the printer exit and exhaust it out, or run it through a fume extractor, you're ahead vs. an open-frame machine
I used Sketchup Make for this one. I use Fusion 360 and Sketchup, but I tend to lean more towards Sketchup Make because I already knew it when I got into 3d printing. I will say that Fusion 360 is generally the *right* tool.
@@FunctionalPrintFriday Thank you for replying! yes i think fusion is a more powerful tool also but for now i just want just want to try making simpler stuff as im new to printing and 3D modeling! I stumbled upon this video cuz im thinking of buying the P1S, this video made me more sure than any other that i want the P1S! imma watch your other videos cuz this is pure gold!
You could always use a pla basic refill in similar color just to keep the rfid tag working properly and just keep notes as to your preferred brand on that spool
Absolutely agree with what you said about manufacturing in china. Companies and consumers want stuff for cheap, Then when they make it cheap, they get bashed. Also, I see you're a man of culture, as evidenced by the Toyota.
Great review.. i have a X1 carbon and i plan on picking up a P1S as extra. Just as a workhorse to print solely black PETG / Other strong materials for functional applications. I put my printers in a Ikea pax cabinet with glass sliding doors.. i can fit 6 in there in total if i want. When the doors are closed i can sit next to it on the computer while working without getting annoyed by the sound. The P1S "matte look" your are noticing is it going faster ; i love the looks of material and quick prints that come off the X1 carbon. There's some settings you can tune to prevent the same object having a "Matte + shiny" surface where the printer speeds up / slows down.
Great review and you convinced me that the P1S is the one for me! 👍 I've got a used Ender 3 a while ago but is struggeling with leveling it manually, so I almost gave up, but I am more than ready to give the P1S a try because of your review, so thx a lot and I also subbed and look forward to see more from you. Regards Mogens from Denmark.
@@FunctionalPrintFridaylike HuskyRides, I was a bit worried when I saw that matt finish on only part of the print. In my experience, not a good sign for printed part strength - and if it occurs on a top layer, it looks a bit unsightly. Could you please advise whether that matt/shiny variation has been an ongoing hallmark of the P1S, or whether you’ve been able to avoid it with different filament or settings? Thanks, loved your no-nonsense, practical review of what matters when choosing a tool (rather than a toy)
I'm looking to upgrade from my Ender 3 V2. I've been looking at the Bambu Labs P1S but I don't like the idea of sending everything to the cloud for reasons you talked about. Can the P1S be used locally via USB or local WiFi without sending info to the cloud? Do you know if the AMS will automatically switch spools if a spool runs out? I'm thinking of all the spools I have with small amounts of filament that essentially goes to waste. It would be nice to use them up.
i want to install my printer in the garage but i live in Houston with a relative humidity between 70 to 90 percent. Do you have any advice to keep filament dry? thanks!
Will be tough to keep it dry. PLA should be ok, but other filaments you're probably just going to need to dry before use. Checkout the magic mill food dehydrators. That's what I use and they're great.
Went with a FLsun V400 for the very reason mentioned, combined with the closed ecosystem of if the glued in place carbon rods wear out(and they do wear as seen by the carbon dust accumulation shown at the recommended cleaning/service cycles) you may either have to A: disassemble the machine and rebuild it with a complete new carbon-rod gantry. B: send it to the factory to have them do it, Or C: accept that you now have a very expensive brick. Where as the Flsun(V400 in my case) uses of the shelf components so replacing worn parts isunproblematic to the point that you could actually upgrade it with INA or similar high end linears when /if you do. That said, the Bambus can print directly from a usb stick(or sd don't remember which) so you don't have to use WiFi and send a print file to a Chinese cloud that sends it back to your machine, and the V400 is a lot less beginner/noob friendly than the bambus or even the prusas since a certain percentage of them require some tweaking, the factory default cura profile is crap and it doesn't have to be as mine is near nozzle-scraping free in addition to not using under extrusion as way of making nice looking and fitting prints at the expense of strength. The bambus are hoever a bit over hyped in that their extruders can't deliver enough plastic to support the claimed speeds except during a fraction of the print time while the V400 extruder can deliver MORE plastic than what is needed for the claimed speeds, the bambus printer profile 'compensate' for this by printing slower and turning the extruder heat up to 11 to make the plastic flow as easily as possible. Not for nothing that every side-by-side.print time comparison on youtube has the V400 printing the same file in less time than the bambu's can manage but it is a trade of with any printer, none of them deliver everything they way they should and are perfect in every ways so its always a case of choosing the most important to you positives and what negatives you find the easiest to live with. Now if Bambu ever came out with a true IDEX printer and FLsun did as well, I might be tempted to go for the bambu over the flsun(unless flsun one upped bambu in ways similar to what they did with the V400.....
Could you do a video on the start-up time of a print? Maybe one when using the whole pre-print calibration stuff and one without. I have seen people making custom start-up gcodes to skip a few steps (if a bed leveling has been done since last start-up of the printer), and the print start-up time is down to almost 1 min. I ask because a thing I can't stand with for example Ultimaker printers is the 5-10 min of heating, cooling, leveling, heating again, etc, especially when you are making super small prototypes with 5-15 min print times. I almost prefer using a cheap Artillery printer over my Ultimaker at work, simply because the print will start 30s after clicking print on the Artillery and atleast 7-8 minutes on the Ultimaker
Yeh, it does feel like it takes FOREVER to get going, but then it just goes right to 'plaid'. I might do a vid where I compare the custom gcode with nothing extra, skipping just bed calibration, and then doing everything (including the filament calibration on the X1C with lidar)
@@FunctionalPrintFriday Please do. I would glady use the whole calibration step before a bigger print to ensure that it's successful, and the fast print speed would more than compensate for this. But when you do small prints, 5-15 min, which I usually do, for example, testing the fit of a smaller part that is a part of a bigger print, before printing the whole thing. A 10 min start up time is very frustrating, at least with the ultimakers. Love the video btw, happy printing!
Would you recommend P1S for hobby level prints in primary residence where space is shared with family life…. I worry about the noise (fans mostly after the recent firmware upgrade with noise reduction). Is this printer loud for day time prints compared to A1?
*Bambu lab is the tik tok of 3d printing* In the EU at least, under GDRP, you can request companies to provide you will all the information and data they've gathered on you and who they sent it to. And the company *must* provide it. People have found that bamub has sent their data and information to many different companies all around china and the globe. One user reported 20 different places. Why is bambu lab sending user data out to other companies that may have nothing to do with them?
The answer is always simple: money. Trend data, both personal and de-identified is always worth money for targeted marketing and advertising. Whenever a service is 'free' (and in this case, the bambu cloud service *is* free), it means they can make more money on the data they collect then what is costs to provide the service. EDIT: I should add, this isn't always bad, you just need to decide if the trade-off is worth it in each instance. Same thing for facebook, twitter, instagram, linkedin, etc. It's free because the data is worth $$. In exchange we get the value from the service and have to decide in each instance if that's a fair deal or not.
@@FunctionalPrintFriday A well reasoned and measured response. It is refreshing to see a balanced creator instead of a histrionic over-reactor. NBR and 3dmusketeers is like that so I can only take them in small doses. I don't want to imagine a world where email, social media, YT, is a forced paid subscription. There will always be a trade off for "free services" and the data *I choose* to provide is simple exchange.
@@Pastorkarlman apologies if I’m being thick, I had a P1S delivered this afternoon and apart from failing to set up the LAN properly, I think I’m all set to go. Please could you explain your comment regarding a replacement, or add on display I’ve only seen one available add on display, but most say it’s not a good idea, due to the possibility of Bamboo changing the software at some point, and in any case it appears that using an iPhone is an attractive alternative. Cheers Noel.
@@Jestey6 The bambu handy app on your phone is good, and I use it to check status of prints when I'm away from the printer etc, but not the same as replacement display. The one I've seen reviews on is probably the same one you've seen from BigTreeTech the Panda Touch. Yes, there is some risk to Bambu changing their FW and it not working, but it is less than $60 and has great reviews. I haven't bought one yet because I'd rather spend my money on filament and quality STL's but probably will at some point down the road. The add on display definitely isn't a must have, but a nicety. I've got a few hundred hours on my P1S now and between the Bambu Studio and the LCD display on the P1S and the Bambu Handy mobile app, I have plenty of control for what I do.
The P1S is a great printer. If I didn't have the choice of the X1C I would have been more than happy buying the P1S. For me, even at the price point of the X1C, there was no other choice in my opinion. I had a moderate knowledge of printing from my Ender 3 before buying and I was able to apply that to the Bambu, but for the most part it just printed nearly perfect parts from day one and it's only become better over time. And now that I have installed the new X1+ 3rd party firmware I can keep all of my data local. There's some really great things on the horizon with Bambu for that reason.
I get privacy is a good thing. But let’s get real, what can the Chinese government do with information from your database? Can they rule the world with that information? Point being, they wouldn’t care. This fear mongering and paranoia is getting out of hand.
If you use STEP files rather than STL, you don't get facets and triangles. You have smooth curves. I have the Bambu A1 mini, and that is big enough for my needs. Bambu studio does allow you to build bigger things in several pieces which fix together perfectly using mortices and tenons which it places for you.
I own a Prusa Mini and a Bambu Lab X1C and enjoy both machines very much. As you mentioned in your video, the Prusa (i3 or Mini) is very handy to transport. What you forgot to mention is that Prusa has two further advantages, their customer service and their open source strategy. In contrast, Bambu Lab offers proprietary hardware and the support is really slow. However, their prices for spare parts are more than moderate. So, there a lots of additional pros and cons for Prusa I3 printers and Bambu Lab printers. For hobbyists the Bambu Labs are really great, but I am wondering about your remark on printer farms since Bambu Lab printers to my knowledge do not offer printer farm software and in case of a maintenance issue it is quite beneficial to obtain Prusa‘s awesome customer service. By the way: this is the first time I watched your channel and I really enjoy what you are doing. Thumbs up!
@@swdw973 Sure, you’re right. My comment did not intend to say that Bambu Lab printers cannot be integrated in a print farm. Of course, they can. I’d like to see Bambu Lab provide their own software for print farms. Fortunately, there are a lot of 3rd party solutions.
And how often do you make modifications to the source code to the Prusa printer? I don't know why people get bent out of shape when a machine is not open source. Apple isn't open source, Xbox isn't open source, why does a 3d printer need to be open source? I can tell you from a manufacturing perspective that open source just means some 'hack' is going to try to 'fix' my designs and it rarely works as intended.
47:05. Honestly, the biggest concern is not whether the CCP steals your STL files. The bigger concern is that Bambu has a point of presence on your network, and more sophisticated attacks could be committed directly against other assets on your network. Not something that is otherwise possible just because you're connected to the Internet.
@@FunctionalPrintFriday You have them on their own VLAN, but do you have routing from that VLAN back to your main network? Unless you're treating that like a DMZ (a technical term in Network Security), VLAN separation alone is providing no additional security. Hopefully that's what you mean when you say "they can see each other, that's it." If so that's great. Not very many people are aware they even need to do that, or would know how to do that.
routing, yes, but FW rules that block outgoing other than NAT to WAN. I use pfSense for routing/fw. I previously worked engineering PCI and HIPAA compliant network infrastructure so I know my way around it, but I realize that I am absolutely not the avg user, who it is a legitimate concern for@@bujin5455
Great video! I am curious how the newer Prusa MK4 (kit $799) will compare to the Bambulab P1S. I would expect the speeds to be comparable. The P1S seems to have the upper hand at this point. Thanks and cheers!
I have had 2 Ender 5 pros for a while and wanted to do multicolor prints so I bought the P1S with the AMS... Let me tell you buy the P1S. You can send prints from your computer and the prints are amazing. Going to sell Enders and get another P1S.
Im new to 3d printing. My reason to purchase a printer was to design a specific product to address an issue. Question what software did you use to make the design for .stl file?
I Got P1S as my first printer. Im so happy with it. I designed a phone holder, it Takes 58 min on P1S, 3,5 hours on MK4 and 9 hours on ender 3. I could not imagine printing a simple thing take that Long. The 58 min is standard(100%) speed. There is also sport(124%) and ludicrous(166%). The 166% seems so fast it almost hurts to see it printing. So i print i standard(100%) 😀 I unpacked my P1s installed orca slicer and i was running right away.
A good analysis at the start on cost/quality anywhere really. The growing issue as you identify is the more direct channels consumers now have to producers. In the best case this means additional middle man cost is removed while consumer needs are well heard and understood by producers. They all produce to a given price point and performance/quality will reflect that. The fly in that perfect market scenario is other countries struggle to compete with China for many reasons, but govt subsidy in China and poor worker/environmental protections give them a low cost base. As a pure consume the really annoying aspect of buying sight unseen is the shysters, presenting a 8-10 product at 1-5 prices. But you get what you pay for. What really grinds my gears though are cowboys, presenting 8-10 product and charging 8-10 prices, but sending 5 and below product. Bambu, however they're funded etc. have cut through that main issue i think and hence their success. Whether they're harvesting all our design IP through obfuscated network communication we'll find out i guess!😂
What was the CAD 3D modeling software you were using in this video ? I could not seem to find a reference to it. Many thanks for the video. I am purchasing P1S now for sure...
I have a prusa mk3s+ and Im on the fence on getting either a P1s or X1C. its crazy the way 3d printing evolved since 2021 even ( the year I got my prusa) it was one of the most saught after printer, and now, its almost archaic. And theres a 140$ sale on P1S for bambu second anniversary and 200$ sale for X1C starting tonight. I'm very tempted!
Nice video, but it would have ben nice to see the comparison against the MK4 also with input shaper as you probably printed the piece on the P1S. I am wondering how the Bambu Lab would last over time.
1 year later and these things are only $549 now. Not sure if that's the new price or a sale, but that's a heck of a deal: fpfdesigns.com/r/p1s
I actually just picked one up from my old creality! Just found your chanel!
@@Lumilan You're gonna love it. Night and day from any old machine, creality or otherwise. Congrats!
i think they droped it down cause they working on a new one i heard they were supost to announce something this month but who knows i plan to get one with the ams system
I’m thinking about getting one (I’ve got a Neptune 3) I’m looking to make masks, figures and parts for places around the house is this a good choice, and I am looking to use different filaments
@@mrmonke1575 The only thing the P1S won't do is the high temp engineering filaments that require a heated chamber, and you'll want to swap the nozzle for hardened if you use filled material. Of the 9 printers I own, the P1S is my favorite.
Ive never touched a 3d printer until tonight with my p1s. Im blown away as a noob how easy it was to setup and print right away. I subbed. I like the way you deliver content
thx, and welcome. you'll be designing your own stuff before you know it.
this guy is so wholesome. Humble. that 2.8k subs should be at least 2 mil imo.
thank you SO much!
I agree lol
Indeed. There surely is a bigger audience for those who want to print functional prints!
It's cool to see that 8 months on, the sub count has gone up roughly 7 fold (16.1k), so moving in the right direction. Thought this might make you smile.
18k now! and well earned!
+1 For Bambu, I literally can’t look at any other printer anymore. The industry needs to catch up and innovate otherwise they will see Bambu turn into DJI where they hold the market. Loved the video and glad I found your channel today.
Funny you should say so, since some of the Bambu people came from DJI.
What about the Voron though
@@OlavAlexanderMjelde Their printers do look design-wise like DJI, especially the printhead, or the A1/A1mini. I had a DJI drone, it was way better than anything else.
I just got the a1 mini and it out prints all my creality printers.
happy this comment got to show the growth over almost a year
We just received a P1S. It was a shared present for me and my 13 year old. The prints and ease of printing have blown me away. Within 20 minutes we were printing. Also, we received the printer in 3 days - It’s hard to beat that kind of first impression.
Yeh, I hear their support may be a little slow if you need it (which is funny since it's the exact opposite of what they're known for when it comes to printing), but I continue to be impressed by my X1C and P1S. Fingers crosses they come up with an "XL" version next.
@@FunctionalPrintFriday I hope so! I went from being not sold on the whole thing to wanting a bigger one in the space of a couple days.
My 14 y/o son and myself are receiving ours tomorrow. What do you think is important to know for someone just getting theirs?
@@rcarter a little late, but one thing I’ve definitely noticed is that cleaning the plate regularly makes a big difference. The only thing that has caused a print to fail has been a support or piece not adhering to the bed. We are just now getting to other filaments besides PLA. Hope you are both enjoying it!
@@travis5481 oh definitely, we’ve been printing non-stop. We’ve actually done a decent amount of PETG. Haven’t ventured to abs/asa yet. Definitely agree about the build plate needing to be clean, makes a huge difference. Thankfully the majority of our prints have been successful. Although, I’m hating supports unless I use the support material for the interface layer but that usually takes much longer and still isn’t perfect. Need to get that figured out.
Man that is such a beautiful garage and work space.
thx! it's been a journey. it started as a "table in the corner" :)
Thank you for the video, in time I have so gotten used to the pumped up style of most creators trying to inject some WOW factor ... And now hearing someone just rationally and calmly sharing their thoughts and experiences was like a breath of fresh air, very relaxing and with much more useful information.
thx
Former mk3s+ owner and current X1C owner and am happily in the bambu camp with a year of ownership. I am in a hotel about 400 miles from my printer right now and have been able to print fine with my X1C and AMS*. The cloud functions were not possible on my other printers with the level of reliability or features I have now.
Just being able to start/stop pause, and check on my prints , without kludge work arounds, when anyway is well worth the cost of the "scary cloud" FUD.
None of my prints are security sensitive and whether my 3mf files (fancy gcode) is requested by china(lol what can they do?) subpoenaed by the US Govt(the only thing I really have to worry about) I dont get too concerned about it.
Fantastic video.
*note I do have someone at the printer to clear the print plate.
Yeah, I started a print I needed when I got home from 4 hrs away last week. Out of curiosity, how many hours on your X1C?
@@FunctionalPrintFriday @FunctionalPrintFriday I am at 3500 hours and counting. I print daily but not 24/7.
I was a Kickstarter backer so my model is before any revisions or manufacturing adjustments.
I just follow maintenance recommendations and have been without issue. I am sitting on a small warehouse parts but haven't replaced anything other than ptfe tubing or other consumables parts.
@@ashleys3dprintshop thx, good to know
Never had a 3D printer before and wanting to get started and this video was INCREDIBLY helpful and informal. I was concerned with how it would perform and getting it started, but you showed that not only is it super easy but you showed how the quality and speed is compared to a more expensive one! Many thanks and you earned a new Subscriber.
thx and welcome aboard!
You also do not NEED to use the cloud tools with the Bambu Labs printers. There is LAN mode and you can use an SD Card too
If it is a reason you bought this printer for, you need to know about it. The set up of the wlan connection was far from pleasant for me.
Just bought a Bambu Labs X1 Carbo. It’s my first 3D printer.
Liked your work flow and appreciated you not printing another figurine like others.
I’m a new subscriber and look forward to learning new skills.
Thanks for this review/comparison and not printing a benchy!
you're welcome! Making functional stuff is so much more rewarding, even simple stuff
Just bought a P1S and you just gained a subscriber.
Thx for the awesome video, waiting for delivery on p1s and a great deal of my choice is because of the great content you offer and the amount of practical ideas! Seriously appreciate channel's like yours
thx! you're going to love the P1S
If you want to see if China is monitoring the printers, you should print a bunch of Winnie the Pooh stuff and see if your printer suddenly bricks itself.
I tried to 3D print Joe Biden in China, guess what happened. Spaghetti 😊.
I dont get it?
@@benroweben Winnie the Pooh is banned in China, even the words are censored out of everything after online memes making fun of their president looking like Winnie the Pooh.
@@madmike171 omg what a cry baby dictators are something else 😭
@@benroweben yeah it's hilarious 🤣
I did the same mistake as you on initial start up. Put the plate back in before powering on because it will bed level too close to the nozzle.
Unfortunately the wifi cam is only recording 720p@0,5fps for monitoring. This is not a network or software issue.
I'm glad someone caught that. The lower res and fps is fine for time lapse or general spot check of a print. It is not the best for a live fluid feed.
It's two different things. I'd honestly be happy to get .5fps. I'm seeing more like 1 frame every ~5 secs at BEST, and several minutes with no new frame at worst (or no connection at all). We'd consistently get the .5fps if they would route between VLAN's instead of always sending all the traffic to the cloud when they're not on the same VLAN
The p1s only has a esp32 chip which does both printing and video processing. The X1C has a much more powerful cpu and video handling.
Fantastic video! I'll be receiving my P1S later on today, if tracking is correct. Can't wait to finally have a printer for functional prints vs the toys I typically print.
Congrats! You’ll love it.
I think you are speaking to me! I have an old Ender 3 "pro" that has frustrated the heck out of me from the start. Last year I took it apart to add a bed level sensor and it hasn't printed anything since. I am just so sick of the failed prints and meh results. I've decided it is time for a better printer. I set out to buy a Prusa and quickly got turned around. Now I have my heart set on a P1S with AMS. That is one heck of a lot of money for me, but I just can't handle sweating first layers, waking up to spaghetti, or print times that take DAYS. I think I'm ready to step up. P1S is the one, no? Maybe having a solid-operational-printer will let me finally print the parts I need to put the endy-3 back on its feet again.
Thanks for this "not a review". I like your stuff. I clicked the sub button within the first 10 min. Refreshing to see videos not so obviously bought and paid for.
Nice video, thank you for sharing and providing your insights and showing both printers from cad to print side by side.. Anyone else notice the Prusa screen flickering while manually moving the stepper motors?
The video feed on the P1S is laggy because the camera framerate is 0.5fps. The X1C is 30fps.
The X1C has a second processor for the camera feed, lidar, etc, where the P1S does not.
I got the P1S sans AMS about a week ago on sale. It's my first 3D printer and I am just blown away by how easy it is to use and my prints have been turning out flawless. I will definitely be buying the AMS system soon. For anyone considering this printer, it really is amazing and I would buy it again.
I just ordered the P1S combo through the sale. Also my first printer. I'm not accustomed to spending this much in one go on non-essentials so I reeeeaally felt it when I clicked confirm order. Hoping I made the right printer choice
@@jgone4856 You won't regret it. I just got the AMS too, everything has been working great together. I just spent about half the cost of the printer on filament so trust me I know the feeling lol
I ordered the p1s combo. The hole over the p1s is reserved for the ams case which is future proven and I also ordered. Also I think the quality is much much better when you use p1s. I think right now x1c combo is the best 3D printer on the market. Other printers can’t compete at least now.
Yup, surely other manufacturers have been sweating bullets ever since those Bambu printers came out. I'm on the fence currently, perhaps I'll wait another year... I think we're in for quite a ride in that regard.
Just found out while searching for the P1S (waiting for it to arrive). Great narrative. I've subscribed!
thanks, and welcome aboard!
Just to sum up for people considering one of these two.
1. The P1S is for regular/hobby people.
2. The X1C is intended for professionals or really nerdy people that pays big bucks just to have the best.
For a "normal/hobby" person, the P1S is more than good enough. Paying 500-600 dollars more for the X1C, you might want to consider if you really need the extra futures that's going to be critical for your printing. If carbon fiber is important then by all means, buy the X1C. If you're not going to make a living out of 3D printing, no reason whatsoever to buy they X1C, go instead for P1S.
Great reviewing though, I subbed!
First time here. I plan on getting the P1s on payday, so ive been looking at a ton of videos. You are pretty cool, only printing functional parts and posting the stl's for free. Thats pretty great.
Welcome aboard!
@FunctionalPrintFriday thank you!
Just got my printer yesterday, already made a phone case, and a holster for a Taurus 387, super excited to keep modeling stuff I can actually touch!!!
P1S is currently £500! Absolutely amazing... BTW China is more than capable, but we all want cheap!
This guy deserves more subs, awesome and wholesome dude.
I appreciate that!
I love your certainty that countries other than China wouldn’t ask a company for your data if they wanted it. Lol
Didnt our gov just compromise all the social security numbers?
I also missed the mention of the Patriot act 😉
Great video! I’m all about functional prints. Will definitely check out your other videos.
Awesome! Thank you!
I don’t know if it has been mentioned yet. The refillable spools for Bambu filament come with new RFID tags on them!
simple mistake but you did the self test without the print bed sheet so the z offset will be slightly wrong
I currently have an Ender 3 v2 but am thinking about upgrading to the P1S because of all the good I’ve heard about Bambu Labs, their ease of use, and the AMS capabilities. I really appreciate your personable, down to earth presentation that isn’t so “hyped”.
I’ve subscribed and look forward to watching more of your videos as I continue to learn more about 3D Printing!
Thank you for making this video. I really appreciate people (and channels) like you who are calm, collected, thorough, and also who look at a video as an opportunity to address NEW viewers and include them in your interactions as well by saying things like "if you're just watching this video", or "if this is your first time here"... so thank you as well for that. You're 100% right about "Chinese quality" manufacturing. Not only do people generalize an entire country, but they're basing their opinions on the things from that country off of the product specs of the item being sourced coming from companies that they're paying money to who only want bottom-dollar production cost with max-level return-on-investment pocketing money prices. 'Why spend $1 to manufacture a $20 item and have it be great when I can pay $0.20 for a $20 item to be manufactured' mentality.
I ordered my P1S Combo unit about a week ago, and can't wait to get it. In my life, I always research every tool I buy for at least 3-10 days before I make a final decision on what I'm buying, because I will only buy high quality items, as opposed to everyone else, seemingly, in this world who accepts mediocrity. Everything I saw pointed to the P1S as being one of the best. As an entry-level 3D printer user, I can't wait to experience and learn with this machine. Your videos are a gem to those of us just starting out, and I thank you from my heart for taking the time to share your experiences with us, and going in-detail into the unit, and the additional details surrounding it.
I heard that the limitations that prevented Bambu Lab from using the same camera that they did on the X1 was that the motherboard was using more resources for the prints, rather than aesthetics like the camera, and couldn't fit the necessary requirements to run it at full speed, like the X1's... Take that with a grain of salt, as you may, because it was heard from a 3rd party source, and not directly from Bambu Lab. That being said, I still don't understand how/why they couldn't add a daughter-board to the motherboard to adapt it to be compatible......
There's more truth to low quality manufacturing than you think. There are a few companies who are the exception, the rest are generally not as good. Look up Dofu Dreg.
you're gonna love the P1S
One year later and now the P1S is on sale for $549 and the (Mk3s+ only available with mm3 combo) or you can get the base MK4S+ and both are $900. I have had Prusa MK3 and it was head and shoulders above the competition years ago, I was very satisfied and impressed. I have never done volume so Yesterday I bought a Bamboo A1 non AMS for $299
I own a MK3S+. Picked it up used for $300, so not like I'm out the retail price. That said, I very much DO want to explore multi-color and multi-filament printing. To get even remotely close to the capability this P1S offers I'd have to get the MK3.9 upgrade kit ($579) plus an MMU3 ($329) plus a month+ shipping lead time at who knows what cost (so, almost $1k total!!!). The P1S+AMS Combo is currently $750 shipped. For what Prusa wants I could ALMOST get a completely overkill X1C+AMS Combo on the current Black Friday sale, it's nuts. It's a complete no-brainer in my book, Prusa (like you said) has completely lost touch with the market realities of 2024 (and arguably 2020+). Buy the P1S Combo, sell my MK3S+, and I'm probably under $500.
Im happy you made this video because yes while technically these are comparable in price, the P1P/P1S is a modern device and its certainly hard to say that about a Prusa. Especially given the fact that the Prusa is slower and has no enclosure. I value everything Prusa has done but they are behind and spent 5 years asleep at the wheel
couldn't agree more
excellent down to earth review. Thanks
What application did you use for the design?
I couldn’t decide. So I got both LOL. I like them both for different reasons.
Thank you for this video. I came for the unboxing of the P1S and stayed for the whole thing. Truly impressed and jealous watching you design something so quickly out of a few measures. What a treat. Which 3d modeling software do you use?
Your analysis on Chinese quality is spot on, they make what we ask them to make, Just look at iPhone, DJI and many more world leaders, quality costs its not free.
Hi, nice review. I would like to know your thoughts between BL P1S and the X1 carbon. Thanks
Although it seems reasonably priced, I want to wait and see if it goes down by the time I'm ready to upgrade. This would be leaps and bounds above my current ender 3. Thanks for the review.
Yeh, truly leaps and bounds. With the exception of Creality who are also pumping out some cool "prosumer" CoreXY printers, there's just nothing even close in value from my perspective right now. Excited to see where things are at in another 9-12 months.
I have an anycubic Kobra max and in between massive layer shifts, or constant smaller ones, pla not sticking to the bed or y axis errors (The layer shifts are also _always_ in the Y direction) I'm at the end of my rope. I'm fairly certain i should just toss it and get a bambulab P1S
if you don't need the build volume of a "max", get the P1S. You'll never look book. That said though, try heat soaking your Kobra Max. It probably has the same problem . .
What are the disadvantages of the printer
Did you ever find out what that hole was for? 52:22 scrolled through some comments but no one addressed it
Is it just an escape for the hot air? Maybe the plastic walls cant take it while the x1c metal walls can? I have no idea
Just found the answer in the Bambu forum, it's meant to route cables from the nearby USB port
Thanks for the overview and impressions. Like I said on some of your other vids, I love my a1 mini, and will be getting a full size a1 when that comes back in stock after the recall, but am considering a dedicated printer later on for abs/asa printing and am between the p1s and x1c. I actually was considering the p1p, but the p1s is only $100 more and adds a good bit to the package.
Quick question - are there any fumes from the Bambu Printer? thanks
depends on the filament used, for PLA or PETG you should be fine.
Have you ever needed a functional print with a stronger filament like ABS? I want to print functional things as well and I was wondering if I can save some money and get the P1P instead and just print with basic stuff. (Since it doesn't have the enclosure.)
you should very much NOT print ABS (or other such 'toxic' filaments) on a printer indoors without an enclosure that supports filtering the exhausted air.
After set up testing, when I print the nozzle stays about an inch above the plate. That's not right,is it?
As in, it’s just extruding spaghetti?
@@FunctionalPrintFriday No, no filament extruding; I pushed it in as far as could.
@@deeber35 I would reach out to their support, something isn't right
Thank you, good video. I'm considering a P1S with AMS as my first printer. My daughter has an Ender 3 that is a PIA. This will be as a hobby, not to make things to sell. I do metal machining also as a hobby with a 1440 Chinese lathe, 949 Jet (Taiwan) mill, cold saw, tool & cutter grinder, casting furnace ..... I do repairs of about anything just for fun. Its been years since I did CAD work so will need to get a CAD program and learn the tricks of making 3D plastic parts. What CAD program would you recommend?
I gave up rebuilding that worn out 10" Boxford in the background of this vid and ponied up for a brand new Taiwanese 1440. Couldn't be happier. Now I want one size up on my mill :)
Your garage is my dream.
Thank you! It happened over many years and only after a few moves. Take your time, you'll get there.
@@FunctionalPrintFridayMy garage here in New York is only 18x20. Besides it’s detached and doesn’t have any A/C system to battle the heat and cold. I will never have the room to do what you do. 😂 I’m jealous.
You could use Wireshark and set it for outgoing IP packets from the printer and also see what devices it is attempting to talk to on your network. You can SEE if it is talking to China. I have and Ender 3 V2 Pro that is working well. I just want a printer that can print faster, with other materials, and a larger volume. Great video. I will be back to check out your functional prints. Thanks
What is,the designing program called Nice bambu lab printer.
I want to use the printer for printing protheses for kids.
Corexy is more than just the toolhead moves in x and y. Some Cartesian printers are set up like that too. Corexy means there are two motors A and B which work together to move the toolhead in the xy plane. Meaning more torque for any movement and it can move quicker than standard cartesian.
Cool. I dident know that.. thanks. As i hear, the Bambu runs control via internet and not local WiFi. 🤔 So i guess that it will work fine? 🤔
Correct, unless in LAN mode
The RF Id is attached to the cardboard inner roll, and if you buy Bambu refills, the cardboard inner rolls have the appropriate new tag.
The fit and finish of the Bambu part is head+shoulders above the Prusa.
I am looking to get into 3d printing for a winter hobby. I am looking at the Bambu P1s. Not sure if I will buy in the next week or wait until next year. I need to learn a little more I think, or should I just learn after buying one?? Thanks for the video Matt B.
can't go wrong with a P1S, just buy it. there's very little to learn nowadays. Bambu has made it so easy compared to just 2 years ago
New subscriber, great video! That hole on top is interesting. I'll let you know if I figure it out. Mine will be here later this week.
People complain about chinese manufacturing or quality but atleast china manufactures things. Nobody would be willing to pay what it costs to make an iphone case in the US
it's true
They make some good stuff, but you have no way in knowing you're buying the good stuff. And good luck getting any response from them if you didn't.
I would be interested to know if the closed P1S is less dangerous to health? If the P1S uses a fan to exhaust the air from the enclosure and doesn't do it through a HEPA filter, I don't think there is much point in printing in an enclosure. I mean from a health point of view. I'd have the printer in a room, so the VOC fumes problem worries me a bit. The A1 is open, so has no nothing any protection.
The enclosure is really just to improve print quality for materials where uneven cooling can cause print issues. Any filtering of the air by the unbuilt filter/charcoal in the printer is like putting a bandaid on a 5" cut. Sure, it helps, but it's not getting it done. That said, the air is all exiting in one spot, so if you pickup the air at the printer exit and exhaust it out, or run it through a fume extractor, you're ahead vs. an open-frame machine
@@FunctionalPrintFriday Thank you for help!
What software are you using? it looks way less complicated than 360 that im trying to learn!
I used Sketchup Make for this one. I use Fusion 360 and Sketchup, but I tend to lean more towards Sketchup Make because I already knew it when I got into 3d printing. I will say that Fusion 360 is generally the *right* tool.
@@FunctionalPrintFriday Thank you for replying! yes i think fusion is a more powerful tool also but for now i just want just want to try making simpler stuff as im new to printing and 3D modeling!
I stumbled upon this video cuz im thinking of buying the P1S, this video made me more sure than any other that i want the P1S!
imma watch your other videos cuz this is pure gold!
You could always use a pla basic refill in similar color just to keep the rfid tag working properly and just keep notes as to your preferred brand on that spool
Absolutely agree with what you said about manufacturing in china. Companies and consumers want stuff for cheap, Then when they make it cheap, they get bashed. Also, I see you're a man of culture, as evidenced by the Toyota.
I wonder how round the prints are, could you measure the cross section to see if they are actually a perfect circle?
love your car :) i bought a p1s wondering how i mount the combo unit
thx! I designed legs to hold mine up on a small plank next to the P1S: ruclips.net/video/DYe3ZnqS6tU/видео.html
Great review.. i have a X1 carbon and i plan on picking up a P1S as extra. Just as a workhorse to print solely black PETG / Other strong materials for functional applications. I put my printers in a Ikea pax cabinet with glass sliding doors.. i can fit 6 in there in total if i want. When the doors are closed i can sit next to it on the computer while working without getting annoyed by the sound. The P1S "matte look" your are noticing is it going faster ; i love the looks of material and quick prints that come off the X1 carbon. There's some settings you can tune to prevent the same object having a "Matte + shiny" surface where the printer speeds up / slows down.
thx, I'm assuming it's probably the volumetric flow limit setting?
Great review and you convinced me that the P1S is the one for me! 👍
I've got a used Ender 3 a while ago but is struggeling with leveling it manually, so I almost gave up, but I am more than ready to give the P1S a try because of your review, so thx a lot and I also subbed and look forward to see more from you.
Regards Mogens from Denmark.
@@FunctionalPrintFridaylike HuskyRides, I was a bit worried when I saw that matt finish on only part of the print. In my experience, not a good sign for printed part strength - and if it occurs on a top layer, it looks a bit unsightly. Could you please advise whether that matt/shiny variation has been an ongoing hallmark of the P1S, or whether you’ve been able to avoid it with different filament or settings? Thanks, loved your no-nonsense, practical review of what matters when choosing a tool (rather than a toy)
@@alexshepherd varies by filament, but the best solution is to raise temp a bit and set a min layer time
Wow, my QIDI Plus 4 just arrived and I'm shocked at how much larger the box is than the P1 considering the bed size isn't that much larger.
I'm looking to upgrade from my Ender 3 V2. I've been looking at the Bambu Labs P1S but I don't like the idea of sending everything to the cloud for reasons you talked about. Can the P1S be used locally via USB or local WiFi without sending info to the cloud? Do you know if the AMS will automatically switch spools if a spool runs out? I'm thinking of all the spools I have with small amounts of filament that essentially goes to waste. It would be nice to use them up.
Check out 1:01:25 on the P1S cons
i want to install my printer in the garage but i live in Houston with a relative humidity between 70 to 90 percent.
Do you have any advice to keep filament dry? thanks!
Will be tough to keep it dry. PLA should be ok, but other filaments you're probably just going to need to dry before use. Checkout the magic mill food dehydrators. That's what I use and they're great.
@@FunctionalPrintFriday tks!!
@@FunctionalPrintFriday ok thanks!!
@@FunctionalPrintFriday Could you build a box like Adam Savage did? Search RUclips for details.
Went with a FLsun V400 for the very reason mentioned, combined with the closed ecosystem of if the glued in place carbon rods wear out(and they do wear as seen by the carbon dust accumulation shown at the recommended cleaning/service cycles) you may either have to A: disassemble the machine and rebuild it with a complete new carbon-rod gantry. B: send it to the factory to have them do it, Or C: accept that you now have a very expensive brick. Where as the Flsun(V400 in my case) uses of the shelf components so replacing worn parts isunproblematic to the point that you could actually upgrade it with INA or similar high end linears when /if you do.
That said, the Bambus can print directly from a usb stick(or sd don't remember which) so you don't have to use WiFi and send a print file to a Chinese cloud that sends it back to your machine, and the V400 is a lot less beginner/noob friendly than the bambus or even the prusas since a certain percentage of them require some tweaking, the factory default cura profile is crap and it doesn't have to be as mine is near nozzle-scraping free in addition to not using under extrusion as way of making nice looking and fitting prints at the expense of strength.
The bambus are hoever a bit over hyped in that their extruders can't deliver enough plastic to support the claimed speeds except during a fraction of the print time while the V400 extruder can deliver MORE plastic than what is needed for the claimed speeds, the bambus printer profile 'compensate' for this by printing slower and turning the extruder heat up to 11 to make the plastic flow as easily as possible.
Not for nothing that every side-by-side.print time comparison on youtube has the V400 printing the same file in less time than the bambu's can manage but it is a trade of with any printer, none of them deliver everything they way they should and are perfect in every ways so its always a case of choosing the most important to you positives and what negatives you find the easiest to live with.
Now if Bambu ever came out with a true IDEX printer and FLsun did as well, I might be tempted to go for the bambu over the flsun(unless flsun one upped bambu in ways similar to what they did with the V400.....
Could you do a video on the start-up time of a print? Maybe one when using the whole pre-print calibration stuff and one without. I have seen people making custom start-up gcodes to skip a few steps (if a bed leveling has been done since last start-up of the printer), and the print start-up time is down to almost 1 min. I ask because a thing I can't stand with for example Ultimaker printers is the 5-10 min of heating, cooling, leveling, heating again, etc, especially when you are making super small prototypes with 5-15 min print times. I almost prefer using a cheap Artillery printer over my Ultimaker at work, simply because the print will start 30s after clicking print on the Artillery and atleast 7-8 minutes on the Ultimaker
Yeh, it does feel like it takes FOREVER to get going, but then it just goes right to 'plaid'. I might do a vid where I compare the custom gcode with nothing extra, skipping just bed calibration, and then doing everything (including the filament calibration on the X1C with lidar)
@@FunctionalPrintFriday Please do. I would glady use the whole calibration step before a bigger print to ensure that it's successful, and the fast print speed would more than compensate for this. But when you do small prints, 5-15 min, which I usually do, for example, testing the fit of a smaller part that is a part of a bigger print, before printing the whole thing. A 10 min start up time is very frustrating, at least with the ultimakers. Love the video btw, happy printing!
@@MrVidimlicthanks!
Quick question. Does the P1S print ABS out the box?
yes, but vent the fumes outside if you can
Would you recommend P1S for hobby level prints in primary residence where space is shared with family life…. I worry about the noise (fans mostly after the recent firmware upgrade with noise reduction). Is this printer loud for day time prints compared to A1?
P1S at normal speed is pretty quiet
Did the release of the MK4 change some of your opinions in this video?
*Bambu lab is the tik tok of 3d printing*
In the EU at least, under GDRP, you can request companies to provide you will all the information and data they've gathered on you and who they sent it to. And the company *must* provide it. People have found that bamub has sent their data and information to many different companies all around china and the globe. One user reported 20 different places. Why is bambu lab sending user data out to other companies that may have nothing to do with them?
The answer is always simple: money. Trend data, both personal and de-identified is always worth money for targeted marketing and advertising. Whenever a service is 'free' (and in this case, the bambu cloud service *is* free), it means they can make more money on the data they collect then what is costs to provide the service. EDIT: I should add, this isn't always bad, you just need to decide if the trade-off is worth it in each instance. Same thing for facebook, twitter, instagram, linkedin, etc. It's free because the data is worth $$. In exchange we get the value from the service and have to decide in each instance if that's a fair deal or not.
@@FunctionalPrintFriday A well reasoned and measured response. It is refreshing to see a balanced creator instead of a histrionic over-reactor. NBR and 3dmusketeers is like that so I can only take them in small doses.
I don't want to imagine a world where email, social media, YT, is a forced paid subscription. There will always be a trade off for "free services" and the data *I choose* to provide is simple exchange.
How to get CHYNA to put your bambu lab acc on ignore (works best with the ams)
first 10 prints you do are GOATSE
that'll teach 'em
your welcome
:-)
Great work! Question, I am looking for a 3d printer. What would you recommend a X1 Carbon or the P1S or would you recommend a different printer?
nice video, what software do you use for designing in the video ?
Sketchup Make
I believe that fittings (holes) mwentioned at 52:29 are for Multicolor AMS system which will go on top of the printer.
The hole in the front of the case is for a USB 5V cable to run a replacement or add on display.
@@Pastorkarlman apologies if I’m being thick, I had a P1S delivered this afternoon and apart from failing to set up the LAN properly, I think I’m all set to go. Please could you explain your comment regarding a replacement, or add on display I’ve only seen one available add on display, but most say it’s not a good idea, due to the possibility of Bamboo changing the software at some point, and in any case it appears that using an iPhone is an attractive alternative. Cheers Noel.
@@Jestey6 The bambu handy app on your phone is good, and I use it to check status of prints when I'm away from the printer etc, but not the same as replacement display. The one I've seen reviews on is probably the same one you've seen from BigTreeTech the Panda Touch. Yes, there is some risk to Bambu changing their FW and it not working, but it is less than $60 and has great reviews. I haven't bought one yet because I'd rather spend my money on filament and quality STL's but probably will at some point down the road. The add on display definitely isn't a must have, but a nicety. I've got a few hundred hours on my P1S now and between the Bambu Studio and the LCD display on the P1S and the Bambu Handy mobile app, I have plenty of control for what I do.
what kind of lathe is that in the background
PM-1440GT
37:00 this is a huge point which I never even considered and is really pushing me more towards getting a P1S
The P1S is a great printer. If I didn't have the choice of the X1C I would have been more than happy buying the P1S. For me, even at the price point of the X1C, there was no other choice in my opinion. I had a moderate knowledge of printing from my Ender 3 before buying and I was able to apply that to the Bambu, but for the most part it just printed nearly perfect parts from day one and it's only become better over time. And now that I have installed the new X1+ 3rd party firmware I can keep all of my data local. There's some really great things on the horizon with Bambu for that reason.
I get privacy is a good thing. But let’s get real, what can the Chinese government do with information from your database? Can they rule the world with that information? Point being, they wouldn’t care. This fear mongering and paranoia is getting out of hand.
If you use STEP files rather than STL, you don't get facets and triangles. You have smooth curves. I have the Bambu A1 mini, and that is big enough for my needs. Bambu studio does allow you to build bigger things in several pieces which fix together perfectly using mortices and tenons which it places for you.
What software are you using to design prints?
Speaking of cloud services, do you care the US gov watch you when you use google or Facebook?
The RFID is attached to the cardboard hub of the roll of filament not the plastic reusable spool.
Watched on a Thursday in Australia, + subbed.
I own a Prusa Mini and a Bambu Lab X1C and enjoy both machines very much. As you mentioned in your video, the Prusa (i3 or Mini) is very handy to transport. What you forgot to mention is that Prusa has two further advantages, their customer service and their open source strategy. In contrast, Bambu Lab offers proprietary hardware and the support is really slow. However, their prices for spare parts are more than moderate. So, there a lots of additional pros and cons for Prusa I3 printers and Bambu Lab printers. For hobbyists the Bambu Labs are really great, but I am wondering about your remark on printer farms since Bambu Lab printers to my knowledge do not offer printer farm software and in case of a maintenance issue it is quite beneficial to obtain Prusa‘s awesome customer service.
By the way: this is the first time I watched your channel and I really enjoy what you are doing. Thumbs up!
Thanks, and welcome to the channel. Prusa customer service *is* very good.
Funny that you worry about BL printers in a print farm. I've seen a couple of farms with over a dozen of them so . . . .
@@swdw973 Sure, you’re right. My comment did not intend to say that Bambu Lab printers cannot be integrated in a print farm. Of course, they can. I’d like to see Bambu Lab provide their own software for print farms. Fortunately, there are a lot of 3rd party solutions.
And how often do you make modifications to the source code to the Prusa printer? I don't know why people get bent out of shape when a machine is not open source. Apple isn't open source, Xbox isn't open source, why does a 3d printer need to be open source? I can tell you from a manufacturing perspective that open source just means some 'hack' is going to try to 'fix' my designs and it rarely works as intended.
47:05. Honestly, the biggest concern is not whether the CCP steals your STL files. The bigger concern is that Bambu has a point of presence on your network, and more sophisticated attacks could be committed directly against other assets on your network. Not something that is otherwise possible just because you're connected to the Internet.
I just have the machines on their own VLAN. They can see each other, that's it.
@@FunctionalPrintFriday You have them on their own VLAN, but do you have routing from that VLAN back to your main network? Unless you're treating that like a DMZ (a technical term in Network Security), VLAN separation alone is providing no additional security. Hopefully that's what you mean when you say "they can see each other, that's it." If so that's great. Not very many people are aware they even need to do that, or would know how to do that.
routing, yes, but FW rules that block outgoing other than NAT to WAN. I use pfSense for routing/fw. I previously worked engineering PCI and HIPAA compliant network infrastructure so I know my way around it, but I realize that I am absolutely not the avg user, who it is a legitimate concern for@@bujin5455
All about practical prints, subscribed, appreciate one back!
Great video! I am curious how the newer Prusa MK4 (kit $799) will compare to the Bambulab P1S. I would expect the speeds to be comparable. The P1S seems to have the upper hand at this point. Thanks and cheers!
EM is specific to the printers hotend and extruder, it will be different per printer and per filament type.
I have had 2 Ender 5 pros for a while and wanted to do multicolor prints so I bought the P1S with the AMS... Let me tell you buy the P1S. You can send prints from your computer and the prints are amazing. Going to sell Enders and get another P1S.
Im new to 3d printing. My reason to purchase a printer was to design a specific product to address an issue. Question what software did you use to make the design for .stl file?
sketchup
I Got P1S as my first printer. Im so happy with it. I designed a phone holder, it Takes 58 min on P1S, 3,5 hours on MK4 and 9 hours on ender 3. I could not imagine printing a simple thing take that Long.
The 58 min is standard(100%) speed. There is also sport(124%) and ludicrous(166%). The 166% seems so fast it almost hurts to see it printing. So i print i standard(100%) 😀
I unpacked my P1s installed orca slicer and i was running right away.
How long did the printer take to ship to you once ordered? I just ordered mine and was just wondering😊
@@Untitleduser604mine too 24 hrs, I’m in the uk😉
@@Jestey6 that’s quick! Mine is 3 months old now, and it came in 10 days! I am in the US.
@@Untitleduser604 West coast US, also took about 10 days. Parts and accessories/filament only takes 2-3 days!
@@henrythompson7595 I live in New Jersey, which is the weird thing. It still took 10 days and it’s right near their warehouse!!
A good analysis at the start on cost/quality anywhere really. The growing issue as you identify is the more direct channels consumers now have to producers. In the best case this means additional middle man cost is removed while consumer needs are well heard and understood by producers. They all produce to a given price point and performance/quality will reflect that. The fly in that perfect market scenario is other countries struggle to compete with China for many reasons, but govt subsidy in China and poor worker/environmental protections give them a low cost base. As a pure consume the really annoying aspect of buying sight unseen is the shysters, presenting a 8-10 product at 1-5 prices. But you get what you pay for. What really grinds my gears though are cowboys, presenting 8-10 product and charging 8-10 prices, but sending 5 and below product. Bambu, however they're funded etc. have cut through that main issue i think and hence their success. Whether they're harvesting all our design IP through obfuscated network communication we'll find out i guess!😂
What was the CAD 3D modeling software you were using in this video ? I could not seem to find a reference to it. Many thanks for the video. I am purchasing P1S now for sure...
Sketchup Make, however, I'm considering learning onshape
I have a prusa mk3s+ and Im on the fence on getting either a P1s or X1C. its crazy the way 3d printing evolved since 2021 even ( the year I got my prusa) it was one of the most saught after printer, and now, its almost archaic. And theres a 140$ sale on P1S for bambu second anniversary and 200$ sale for X1C starting tonight. I'm very tempted!
Nice video, but it would have ben nice to see the comparison against the MK4 also with input shaper as you probably printed the piece on the P1S.
I am wondering how the Bambu Lab would last over time.